Clarification/Follow-up by labman on 06/24/08 6:24 am:
I didn't see the link between religion and the original question at first, but now I remember enviormentalism has become a religion for some. They have fallen into idoltry, worshiping creation in place of the Creator.

Clarification/Follow-up by arcura on 06/24/08 10:28 am:
Yes they have.

Clarification/Follow-up by Mary_Susan on 06/24/08 2:03 pm:
No, some slicksters post political questions on the Christianity Board.

Turnabout is fair play. :D

Clarification/Follow-up by labman on 06/24/08 11:54 pm:
''so you give qualified support to MS''

Actually I think most religious practicitioners are sincere, even if mislead. Some leaders may be phonies, but I suspect only a small percentage. Christianity teaches that we are all flawed sinners.

Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 06/27/08 9:06 am:
let's face it Fred the only proven fraud is the one who has absolute certainity he knows what is going on. The man who said we see but through a mirror dimly understood. The evidence points to Climate change and long term increase in temperature. Maybe we can do something about that, maybe we can't, but hey, what else have we got going for us.

But as I read what has been written so far this long term increase in temperature leads to a sudden ice age when the conveyor shuts down and no sun spot activity means an ice age, so I would be moving out of those northern climes if I were you.

Clarification/Follow-up by arcura on 06/29/08 10:15 pm:
Nope,
At my age of 75 and the ice glaciers taking many years to get as far south as Montana, I'll stay here and watch to see how fast they travel south.
LOL
Fred

Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 06/30/08 6:43 pm:
Actually Fred I think you are fairly safe if events on the Australian Alps this year are any indication, The snow fall is late and the ski season cannot get under way because there is No snow, now I wonder what that is an indication of, Oh I know Global cooling, it's too cold to snow.

Clarification/Follow-up by arcura on 06/30/08 9:00 pm:
Not me, clete,
I just provided what most scientists are now saying.

Clarification/Follow-up by labman on 07/02/08 10:20 am:
This is interesting, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374542,00.html

Of course, no way would a volcano heating the water make the ice melt.

Just like the ones in Antarctic spewing gases have nothing to do with the hole in the ozone. Obviously it is all the Freon leaks in the Northern hemisphere.

Clarification/Follow-up by arcura on 07/02/08 1:21 pm:
VERY interesting!!!!
Thanks.
Peace and kindness,
Fred