Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 12/12/08 10:43 pm:
No Tom, we don't need any mexicans, we have plenty of pacific islanders, new zealanders and aboriginals, but the latter group is hard to enthuse. Now that Kevin has given them grog money I don't expect any work out of them in the next month, but I should look on the bright side, all that demand for grog has to be good for the economy, right? of course right!
My illustrious leader thinks so, so how can I be of different opinion?

Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 12/13/08 10:40 am:
yeah I just saw 'Australia' and realize that attitudes have not changed much since the pre-WWII days there.

but your government will get their money back if only in stocks

I have no interest in my government holding shares of corporations. It amazes me how often the left embraces Mussolini Corporatism. More proof that there isn't much difference between National Socialism and International Socialism despite the lie told that they are on opposite sides of the polar extremes. .

Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 12/14/08 9:49 pm:
Tom you can't look at a period drama and say this is how a nation is, it is like me saying that americans are like the characters in South Pacific when we know all things have moved into a much darker world. I doubt there are any cockeyed optimists left in america and there are certainly no rugged bushmen left in Australia

Understand Tom, National Socialism is a system that seeks to get it's political agenda across by force it has no respect for the individual, socialism on the other hand emphases the need to care for the individual. I would say that capitalism has more in common with national socialism than does socialism. Anyway they are all humanistic systems of thought which ultimately fail to deliver but as a lesser of evils I will take socialism

Clarification/Follow-up by labman on 12/15/08 12:41 am:
''and who will champion the poor'' Not Bush. Through much of his term, they were disappearing right and left.

Clarification/Follow-up by Mathatmacoat on 12/15/08 12:49 am:
I agree with you labman, Bush and his fellow travellers will not champion the poor

Clarification/Follow-up by labman on 12/15/08 1:06 pm:
You missed my point. Under his economic policies, many of them moved up to the middle class.

Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 12/15/08 10:02 pm:
labman you surely don't think buying a home with a wacking great mortgage on unfavourable terms makes you middle class do you, it is in my experience a sure way of you joining the poor. You cannot lift people out of poverty by allowing them to take on debt, only a capitalist could think that way, you lift people out of poverty by giving them work and education, something Bush could only aspire to