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| Define "Lost" |
ETWolverine |
01/17/07 |
For months now, liberals have been demanding that the Bush Administration define what they mean by "winning the war in Iraq". On any number of occaisions, conservatives have define "winning" as developing a strong, capable, democratic government in Iraq that is able to handle its own internal and external security issues, and which safeguards the liberties of all its citizens. There have been some inroads made on these goals, as well as some setbacks. And by that definition we have not won the war yet, but we have most definitely not lost yet either.
Yet there are a number of Democrats and a few Republicans who continue to claim that we have "lost the war in Iraq". Nancy Pelosi has said it. Dodd has said it. Harry Reid has said it. Others say it as well. On this board, we have seen Chou say it over and over again. Clearly the conservatives among us are using a different definition of "win" and "lose" than the liberals among us.
So could those among us who say that we have lost the war in Iraq please explain what they mean by "lost"? We are clearly defining things differently, so a clarification of what "win" and "lose" mean in the context of the war in Iraq would be helpful in clearing up the misunderstanding. How do you define "lose"?
Elliot |
Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 01/17/07 5:11 pm:
Anyone is welcome to answer this question, regardless of liberal or conservative leanings. I'd like to hear from anyone and everyone on this topic.
Elliot
Clarification/Follow-up by labman on 01/18/07 6:16 pm:
I guess I got off topic and strayed into how the left defines winning, getting rid of Bush. Just as we have not achieved what you define as winning, so the left hasn't achieved their goal yet either, but both fight on.
If losing the war means losing the support of the American people to win it, it may indeed be lost. It was lost once the left decided they couldn't afford to let Bush win the war even if Bush failing means the end of civilization. Once the terrorists had the backing of the American left, they knew the military victory they could never achieve, wasn't necessary.
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