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11/17/06 |
Does this happen very fifteen hundred years? Every Century? Every Millenium?
Siberian heatwave brings chilling warning
Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
November 18, 2006
SIBERIA is basking in its warmest November for 70 years, putting its permafrost, wildlife and even the human population at risk.
Russian scientists warned on Thursday that southern Siberia, already known as one of the fastest warming regions on the planet, is facing grave consequences as a result of the unnaturally temperate start to its typically harsh winter.
November is normally a month when silence swathes the vast evergreen forests as migratory birds depart for warmer climes and resident mammals settle down to hibernate.
This year, though, the forests are alive with uneasy sound. Bears and badgers have yet to hibernate, while hares, whose coats have changed from grey to white in anticipation of snow, have become easy prey.
Even the plants seem confused. For the first time in memory, dandelions and raspberries have bloomed in several parts.
Some areas are recording highs of 12 degrees, with temperatures across southern Siberia seven to 10 degrees warmer than normal.
A 984,000-square-kilometre expanse of permafrost has started to melt, releasing into the atmosphere large quantities of methane and carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gases that cause global warming.
Insomniac bears are roaming the forests of south-western Siberia, scaring local people, as the weather stays too warm for the animals to fall into their usual winter slumber.
The furry mammals escape harsh winters by going to sleep in October-November for about six months, but in the snowless Kemerovo region where the weather is unseasonably warm, bears have no desire yet to hibernate.
If snow does not fall for another month, there is a risk that some bears and badgers could starve to death. "The longer these animals stay awake the less fat they accumulated over the summer to prepare for hibernation will be left," said Anatoly Lobanchuk, head of the veterinary department in the southern Siberian region of Kemerovo.
The situation is of even greater concern in northern Siberia. Ice packs are failing to form, forcing polar bears, seals and walruses to remain on land, disrupting breeding cycles.
Telegraph, London; Reuters |
Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 11/21/06 12:49 pm:
Paraclete, this is getting silly. While you point to Siberia having a warm spell and permafrost melting in the Arctic, I am pointing to England and the Northern US having cold spells and permafrost increasing in Greenland and Iceland. Those are not proof of climate change, those are just regular weather patterns, well within the normal and expectable weather variations that take place naturally. But when I point to historical and archeological evidence that point to the fact that this stuff happens naturally on a predictable cycle and that it has happened before, you simply ignore it. You haven't addressed that evidence (either to agree with it or to discredit it) in any post. It doesn't fit your assumption, so you ignore it, just as all the pseudo-scientist enviro-mental-cases do. That isn't science. That's biased, and it is coming to your own conclusion despite the evidence, and by cherry-picking the information that suits your conclusion.
Elliot Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 11/22/06 8:04 pm:
Elliot
stop behaving like an ostrich, the evidence is clear and I'm not being selective as there is ample data
try this series as an example
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/silo/reg/cli_chg/g_timeseries.cgi?variable=global_t®ion=global&season=0112
Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 11/24/06 2:06 pm:
I have discussed your data thoroughly and explained the weaknesses in that data. I have not actively ignored your data; in fact I have countered it at every turn. I have provided further extensive data that shows that there is no trend in temperatures either upward or downward. YOU have chosen to ignore my data, and have not countered it with any trend data that shows an increase in temperatures.
So you tell me which of us is behaving like an ostrich... or a lemming.
Simply put, when looking at the annual average temperatures or cooling/heating degree days over the past 60+ years or more for any region you choose, there is no evidence of any sort of trend. Period. Unless you can demonstrate that there is a trend, you cannot prove that globat warming or cooling is even taking place. And even if you can prove that there is such a trend (which you cannot), unless you can show that such a trend did not predate the use of CFCs and/or the industrial production of carbon dioxide, you cannot prove that global waming is anything except a natural occurance. Those facts are not "being an ostrich", they are simply the facts. No matter how you slice it, there is no evidence to support global warming. And calling me an ostrich is not going to change that fact.
Elliot
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