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excon |
10/24/06 |
Hello wingers:
Karl Rove is very good at politics, because he knows how to reduce politics down to a few words, and then he hammers them. It works.
However, Rove is not very good at governing, because you can’t reduce governing down to a few words like “stay the course”, or “cut and run”. It doesn’t work.
Iraq is a failure. Even O’Reilly said it last night. He used the word “lost”. Its, lab, Wolverine, tom, you guys know it too. Yes, we shouldn’t have gone in. But, once we were there, we could have won. We absolutely could have.
Now, all those terrible things that you said would happen if we leave Iraq, are gonna happen because we are gonna leave Iraq.
Did the failure happen because of the media? Or did it happen because the war wasn’t prosecuted properly? Who is to blame - the NY Times, or Bush?
excon
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Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 10/24/06 2:55 pm: And btw, let's not forget to blame the terrorists and their enablers.
Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 10/24/06 3:06 pm: No you misunderstand ex, the terrorists are admittedly using the media and the anti-war rhetoric to further their cause, part of which is to influence this election in hopes of helping wrest congress from Republicans.
As for the hatred, yeah, but tell me which side actually tries to discuss the issues and which resorts almost immediately to personal attacks? With you discussion is possible and enjoyable, we can disagree and I don't have this desire to beat you to a bloody pulp for being such an ass.
As for Bush lied? Let's at least examine it...
BUSH: Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course,” George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job, and help achieve the goal, but we’re constantly adjusting to tactics. Constantly."
Now that the left has made his "stay the course" phrase a campaign issue he's trying to clarify it, but while the blogs and all keep listing all the times he's said "stay the course" they've omitted all the times he's said we will adjust as needed:
6/28/05 "Some Americans ask me, if completing the mission is so important, why don't you send more troops? If our commanders on the ground say we need more troops, I will send them. But our commanders tell me they have the number of troops they need to do their job. Sending more Americans would undermine our strategy of encouraging Iraqis to take the lead in this fight. And sending more Americans would suggest that we intend to stay forever, when we are, in fact, working for the day when Iraq can defend itself and we can leave. As we determine the right force level, our troops can know that I will continue to be guided by the advice that matters: the sober judgment of our military leaders."
11/19/05 "So long as I'm the Commander-in-Chief, our strategy in Iraq will be driven by the sober judgment of our military commanders on the ground."
3/21/06 " Listen, every war plan looks good on paper until you meet the enemy, not just the war plan we executed in Iraq, but the war plans that have been executed throughout the history of warfare."
In other words, the enemy changes tactics, and we've got to change tactics, too."
6/26/06 "I’ve told the American people our commanders will be making the decisions as to how to achieve victory. And Gen. Casey, of course, is the lead person."
Stay the course means finish the job, and I'd hardly call his answer to Stephanopoulos a "lie." He's been consistent in stating we will adjust as necessary and do what it takes to finish the job.
Steve
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