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ROLCAM |
07/25/06 |
I have at last come across an article which has been written by a level-headed journalist.
I would like you to read it, here it is in its entirety.
It certainly does not hold back any punches.
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George Bush, in all his wisdom, informed the world the other day that "the root of the problem lies with Hizbollah". Wow! The oracle has spoken. The great geographer who, prior to his election to the post of the most powerful man in the world, could barely name a dozen of the world's capitals thinks that his proclamations will be readily swallowed.
The problem is far more deep rooted in the injustices of the Palestinian problem , of which Hizbollah, together with Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah and all the other "terrorist" groups are all products. Only last week, right wing Israelis commemorated the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in which 92 persons lost their lives. This was the work of the Irgun svai lumi, another "terrorist" group who had Menachem Begin, a future Prime Minister, among its leaders.
Among those celebrating the King David Hotel massacre was Benjamin Netanjahu, another former PM who asked those present to distinguish between "terrorists" and "freedom fighters". Two weights and two measures, you may ask. Any student of modern Middle East history will know too well.
Of course, Israel has the right to defend its territory and the lives of its citizens from the indiscriminate shelling of a fanatical paramilitary group, and, failing control by the weak central Lebanese government in Beirut, has no alternative but to cross the border and fight them in legitimate self defence. But talk of overkill. Need Israeli planes have pounded Beirut International Airport and the country's road and bridge infrastructure? And hit "targets" in central and east Beirut? All this while declaring its readiness to befriend the Lebanese people. Something is terribly wrong with Israel's actions, possibly emerging from the country's immense and justified sense of insecurity.
Meanwhile, like the US, I am ashamed to say that Europe sits back waffling about a ceasefire and a peacekeeping force. The Lebanese people, already ravaged by so much sorrow and devastation, can only crouch in a corner watching their cities, so painstakingly rebuilt after the civil wars, crumble around them. The townsfolk of northern Israel and Haifa for the first time experience the absolute terror of bombardment from the sky. Who knows - as awful as this may sound - the trauma of these days may push younger generations towards a fairer and faster peace process.
America wants to give Israel the time to clean up Hizbollah. How very naïve. After Afghanistan and Iraq, the Americans should have more than learnt their lesson. These people don't and won't go away. Like an ugly wart which is treated superficially, they will re-emerge and be the cause of more pain and instability.
They will only fade away into oblivion when there is no longer scope for them, when murderous recruits will be hard to come by, and this can only happen when the moderate, peace-loving majority of their compatriots, oppressed within their land or taking refuge outside it, will be satisfied that justice has been done.
Back to the drawing board folks, with a stronger European intervention and a US that is ready to impose peace by tightening its purse strings.
Throwing in a couple of Edward Saids with the Albrights and Kissingers of this world may make for a more even playing field. It will be painful, especially for Israel, but I fear it's their only hope. What comes after Hizbollah will only be worse.
rolcam.
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Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 07/25/06 3:17 pm:
source please ?
Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 07/25/06 3:17 pm:
source please ?
Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 07/25/06 3:43 pm:
And I forgot this too Roland, the other day you said to me, ?? A long time ago. Always bringing up the past!!"
How long ago was this King David Hotel thing?
Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 07/26/06 9:39 am:
since you refuse to source this article I can only conclude that it was written by an anti-semitic nazi moonbat .
Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 07/26/06 11:06 am:
ROLCAM,
>>>I would like you to give me
one specific example where
IRAEL was at fault in getting
the wrong end of the stick.<<<
Alright.
1) Israel pulls out of Lebanon in June 2000, under pressure from Bill Clinton and the UN. The pullout is acknowledged as complete by the UN in July 2000. Since then, Hizbollah has fired rockets into Israel approximately once a month for the past 6 years. THAT is an example of Israel getting the short end of the stick... being forced to give in to international pressure, but getting nothing but more attacks in return.
Want more?
2) In 2005, Israel pulled out of the West Bank. In doing so, they had to displace thousands of settlers who were left homeless after the pullout. The Muslims who moved in completely destroyed the former Israeli towns and farms... razed them to the ground. And then they began firing rockets into Israel almost daily, causing hundreds of casualties and millions of dollas in damage. They also continued to send suicide bombers into Israel proper. Again, Israel did everything they could to promote peace, giving back the entire Gaza strip, and still they are attacked.
3) Israel performed a limited pullout of the West Bank in 2002. Immediately after the pullout, they were attacked repeatedly from the West Bank areas they had just pulled out of. Suicide bombings, riots and other attacks against Israel are the norm. Again, Israel tried to move toward peace, and again they were attacked as a result.
I could go on, but I think I have made my point. Israel keeps making sacrifices for peace, keeps compromising on security for peace, and they keep getting attacked. That is what I mean by getting the short end of the stick in peace negotiations. And that is what I mean when I say that the author of this article has learned NOTHING from history.
Elliot Clarification/Follow-up by ROLCAM on 07/26/06 11:26 am:
You keep going round the MULBERRY BUSH !!
Surely Israel's Foreign Policy must have
had an UNSUCCESSFUL EPISODE (not to call it a black mark) since 1948.
All I want you to do is come clean and
come up with a bad decision.
You keep blaming the other side/sides.
ISREAL'S policy seems to be alaways at America's bidding.
This is what is very hard for the whole
world to accept.
Heaven forbid you must not keep exonerating
Isrel's money supporters.
One instance:-
Why has Israel got the Nuclear Deterrent at their disposal?
If they decide to use it ??
What next ??
This technology was handed to them on a silver platter!!
Was this justified ?
What did Israel do to deserve it?
Come clean for once.
Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 07/26/06 12:04 pm:
Alright. You want to know Israel's worst foreign policy disaster? It was the peace accord with Egypt. Not that it hasn't worked out for Israel, but giving Sinai up to Egypt set a precedent of "land for peace" which has haunted Israel ever since. Now, any cease-fire agreement is automatically associated with Israel giving up land, whether it is justified or not. THAT has been a disaster for Israel.
>>>Why has Israel got the Nuclear Deterrent at their disposal?<<<
Because they developed it by themselves. Please keep in mind that Israel has some of the worlds greatest R&D experts and scientists in its population. The computer you are using... the operating system for it was probably developed in Israel for Microsoft or Apple. Israel builds its own technology, it does not have it handed to them on a silver platter. And since they developed it on their own, the answer is yes, they DESERVE it.
Secondly, Israel has never used WMDs of any sort in any war, and has never even threatened to do so. Heck, they could have used them in Lebanon if they were really so "indiscriminant" in their targeting. But they haven't. Saddam Hussein DID use them. Ahmadinejad has indeed threatened to use them against Israel and the United States several times. So there is a huge difference between Israel having nukes and Iran or Iraq or any of the other Arab nations having them.
I really wish that YOU would come clean and admitt that Israel didn't start this war, Hizbollah did, under Iranian orders and backing, and with the foreknowledge of the Lebanese government. They just got more than they expected.
--- A senior Hezbollah official said the group was surprised at the fierce Israeli reaction to the guerrillas' kidnapping of two soldiers.
"The truth is - let me say this clearly - we didn't even expect [this] response . . . that [Israel] would exploit this operation for this big war against us," said Komati, the Hezbollah spokesman. ---
From the New York Post.
Clearly this was planned beforehand, with Hizbollah assuming that Israel would react in a limited manner and in a way that would make Israel look weak and/or look like the aggressor. Well, they got their wish... Israel reacted, and many people do see them as the aggressor. But they got more than they bargained for.
So I am coming clean.
Elliot
Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 07/26/06 12:17 pm:
I'll give you a good mistake . They had Arafat and his thugs surrounded in Beirut in 1982 . Instead of fininshing them off Israel bowed to calls from the "international community " and the UN's calls for peace . Instead Arafat was allowed to live and fight another day and after a brief exile in Tunisia he returned to "Palestine "in 1994 after that idiot Clintoon negotiated the Oslo Accords .
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