Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 04/22/06 12:28 pm:
I'm sure in private his comments were more pointed .As for me ...Dr. Wang Wanyi is a new hero...Release her immediately !!!

Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 04/23/06 10:13 am:
Ron ,she entered the White House grounds with press credentials from a pro-Falun Gong newspaper .

Clarification/Follow-up by Erewhon on 04/23/06 2:24 pm:
Just so, Tom.

c/p Wang got in with White House approval. Despite the fact that she has engaged in this kind of loud protest before, Wang was granted a press credential as a reporter for The Epoch Times, a Falung Gong-affiliated publication. Nothing we could do, the White House said, insisting Wang qualified as a journalist.

Score one for ingenuity.

“In protesting in this manner, she did not act on behalf of Epoch Times,” the paper said in a statement.

But the paper also used the opportunity - as Wang had used her opportunity on the South Lawn - to push its point.

“We think the world does need to understand what might have moved a respected medical professional such as Dr. Wang to take such unconventional actions,” the paper said in its statement. “The Epoch Times has reported that, based on the statements of doctors performing organ transplants in China, in the next 11 days thousands of Falun Gong practitioners will be slaughtered in China in a particularly horrifying manner: through having their organs harvested while they are still living.” Chinese officials have denied the allegation.

Bush apologized to Hu for the incident and the Chinese leader was gracious in accepting the apology, according to White House aides. But Hu - who attracts protesters most everywhere he goes - surely felt he would be immune from them on the South Lawn of the most protected building in America.

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 04/24/06 2:56 pm:
So Ronnie, If I invite you to my house should I also invite an 'anti-Mormon' to demonstrate dissident opinion? Should I return to Mormonism board and demonstrate dissident opinion would I be welcomed with open arms? That was a rhetorical question by the way.

You seem to want it both ways Ronnie. You'd prefer the "most dangerous nutcase" to keep his mouth shut when it comes to the potential 'nuculer' weapons in the hands of Iran but showing respect for a guest at a welcoming ceremony is a "an opportunity wasted."

"What do you know about human rights violations in China? Or don't these things matter as long as they do not happen in America?"

I ask you the same question. I've asked you more than once to address human rights violations in Saddam Hussein's Iraq and you brush it off IF you respond at all, so what would you like for me to address on China's human rights violations? They're deplorable, but does that mean a gesture of respect and good will from one man to another is out of order? Only if it's Bush toward Hu I suppose. Isn't it hypocrisy of monumental proportions to demand diplomacy from the president then chastise him for showing it?

I suppose heckling and shouting down IS the normal form of dissent now - among those on the left. To hell with respect, manners, decorum and civility, "Free speech for me but not for you" should be adopted as part of the official democratic party platform. So if you don't know what I mean about 'respect' in Chinese culture and the concepts of diplomacy and a 'welcome' are you should do a little research.

Steve

Clarification/Follow-up by Erewhon on 04/24/06 4:45 pm:
Try to get the idea that this didn't take place at Bush's 'house.'

Bush's 'house' is in Crawford Texas.

By confusing the two 'houses' you engage in a specious,hence 'crooked,' argument.

Your intimation that only those on the left shout and heckle is at variance with reality. I guess that you don't have the guts to walk into a Bush speech and speak your mind.

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 04/24/06 4:57 pm:
Ronnie,

So when it comes to foreign leaders you don't care for our, elected head of state can forego diplomacy on our behalf? I see.

Clarification/Follow-up by Erewhon on 04/24/06 11:17 pm:

A man who is prepared to send tens of thousands of other men and women to die in a war he has initiated "to establish democracy and free speech" shouldn't drop the ball pusillanimously when a woman shouts out of the crowd at an undemocratic death-dealing dictator who hauls people off to his dungeons, imprisons and tortures them.

He should show him what democracy and free speech really mean by explaining that in the USA people are free to disagree and that it is not a criminal offence.


A former police officer in China's Public Security Bureau gave evidence in secret to a Senate [Australia] committee [July2005] on the torture of accused dissidents.

The man, codenamed "Z", is one of three Chinese officials to defect in Australia this year.

He said he had learned of detainees being beaten to death and decided to defect because of his opposition to such abuse.

His testimony to the committee was given behind closed doors at a hearing in Sydney. However, a statement from him detailing the alleged torture was included in a written submission.

Bernard Collaery, a lawyer, appeared at the Senate inquiry with Z and another former policeman who has defected, Hao Fengjun.

Mr Collaery said Mr Hao had masses of documents and "electronic" data on a multibillion-dollar operation to spy on Chinese nationals around the world, including Australia.

He said this included a huge network of paid informants operated by the security organisation known as the 蜲 office".

"I used to work in the 610 office and I did not see in person Falun Gong practitioners' deaths. But I saw arrested Falun Gong members and dissidents being interrogated by torture." Mr Hao told the committee through an interpreter. "Basically it was physical punishment using an iron bar to beat them or hanging them from a door or elsewhere in handcuffs for a long time."

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Falun Gong writes to George Bush

While China's President Hu tours
the U.S., pressure rises about China's journalism
crackdown and Falun Gong crackdown

April 19, 2006 (CSN) — CSN has noted with concern that China has in progress a crackdown against journalism. In talking points released this week, we quoted the Committee to Protect Journalists, which said, "Central authorities in China under the administration of Hu Jintao have taken broad steps to tighten control over the press, sometimes with the aid of businesses operating in China's increasingly commercialized media environment."

At the New York Times, they have a researcher, Zhao Yan, who was arrested and charged with leaking state secrets. Recently those charges were dropped, and it was hoped that the regime would free him as a goodwill gesture to accompany the visit of Hu Jintao, China's President, to the United States this week. —Far from it, rather instead the regime has announced that they are re-opening the investigation and may reinstate the charges against Zhao.

China has also slapped extra controls that inhibit foreign media outlets from operating in the Chinese market, and it recently shut down Rolling Stone magazine after its first Chinese-edition issue was published. Things are not going well for journalists, whether foreign or domestic, in China. Such organizations as Human Rights Watch, Reporters Without Borders, and the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) have written to U.S. President George Bush and expressed their concern about the journalism crackdown in China.

On Tuesday, CPJ released an open letter, this time addressed to Hu Jintao rather than George Bush. They observed that in China, "The press freedom climate is the worst since the aftermath of the crackdown on demonstrators in Tiananmen Square in 1989." That letter by CPJ is reproduced below.

Also on Tuesday, Falun Gong released an open letter to George Bush, urging him to apply the occasion of this week's summitry to press Hu, specifically for two things. They are—

1. First, that he [Hu] open up for international investigation all labor camps, prisons, hospitals, mental hospitals, and related facilities in China, and that he do so immediately.

2. Second, that he [Hu] allow the recently-formed Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (CIPFG) and its team of international investigators to enter China, and guarantee their safety.

This amounts to the Falun Gong, offering the services of its new delegation to visit the prison sites in China to clear up, or get to the bottom of, allegations as to the abuse of prisoners in China. They expressed confidence in this team, comprised of Chinese who once lived under CCP (Chinese Communist Party) rule. "CIPFG organizers have first-hand knowledge of the CCP's vast array of tactics of repression, both blatant and covert. They will not be taken in by trickery. If the evidence is there, CIPFG will know where and how to find it."

Today's CSN write up (a new flyer for the public) is on the Sujiatun Death Camp controversy. That is a story of recent events that serves as backdrop — the requirement for an opening of prison camps, and the value of the offered delegation, is better understood after reading about Sujiatun. See our flyer content that follows after the reprint from the Committee to Protect Journalists, below.

Dear President Hu:

The Committee to Protect Journalists is greatly concerned that your government's media-control policies have led to the unjust imprisonment of journalists and the stifling of press freedom in China. Chinese journalists tell CPJ that they are under growing intimidation from propaganda authorities to adhere to government censors' rules.

CPJ research shows at least 32 journalists in jail in China at the end of 205. Before being tried, many journalists face long periods of detention. They include:

* Zhao Yan, a New York Times researcher has been detained since 2004 without trial. While he has been held, charges against Zhao have been brought, dropped, and altered with little or misleading information supplied to his defense lawyers.

* Ching Cheong, a Hong Kong-based reporter for the Singapore-based Straits Times has been accused of espionage. On April 22, he will have been in jail for one year without trial.

* Wu Na, the sister of jailed documentary maker Wu Hao, says that after 10 visits to government offices she does not know where her brother is being held or what charges he faces since he was detained by police on February 22.

After long pretrial detentions finally end, many journalists are summarily tried and given long prison sentences. These lengthy sentences are meted out as punishment to journalists who were doing no more than reporting the news. They include:

* Gao Qinrong, a former Xinhua news agency reporter is serving a 12-year sentence since 1998 for exposing a corrupt irrigation scheme.

* Shi Tao is serving a 10-year sentence handed down in 2005 for publicizing propaganda authorities' instructions on how to cover the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square demonstrations.

* Li Changqing was sentenced to three years in prison for reporting an outbreak of dengue fever.

Your government's policy of prolonged pretrial detentions, secretive and arbitrary behavior, hasty trials, and lengthy prison terms is a chilling reminder to journalists not to cross government censorship lines. The press freedom climate is the worst since the aftermath of the crackdown on demonstrators in Tiananmen Square in 1989.

Your country is meeting with great success since the policies of economic liberalization were launched in the 1970s. Other countries have found that as free markets foster growth, a free press is essential to keep pace with the social changes that come with greater wealth. We urge you to reverse your government's policies of stifling news and unjustly jailing journalists and, instead, turn toward establishing a free and open media.

Sincerely,
Ann Cooper
Executive Director



China: The Sujiatun Death Camp Controversy

In mid-March 2006, a reporter for a Japanese television news agency who specialized in covering China disclosed that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) operates a secret camp in the Sujiatun District of Shenyang City. According to the source, the camp has a crematorium and a large number of doctors. Six thousand Falun Gong practitioners were detained at the camp, and none have been known to ever leave the facility alive.

A second person confirmed the existence of the camp and revealed that camp officials were taking bodily organs from the Falun Gong practitioners while still alive and then cremating the bodies. She is a former employee of the hospital affiliated with the Sujiatun camp and also the former wife of a surgeon who was involved in the illicit organ harvesting. Subsequently, a military doctor from the Shenyang military zone disclosed a network of camps where Falun Gong practitioners are killed for their organs.

The reports became news in the Epoch Times, beginning on March 9. Epoch Times is an anti-communist newspaper serving the Chinese dissident community and the Falun Gong spiritual movement. According to the witnesses, out of the initial 6,000 Falun Gong members detained at the Sujiatun death camp, 2,000 remained. It becomes a good question: Did 4,000 Falun Gong practitioners lose their lives at Sujiatun?

With the arrival of those reports, China's regime faces the pressure of being exposed to be running a death camp that reminds many of Auschwitz and other death camps, as were run by Nazi Germany during the World War II Holocaust.

After two weeks of silence, Chinese authorities denied the existence of the Sujiatun death camp, and issued new regulations on organ harvesting. Another good question arises: If there were no problem about organ harvesting, then why the new regulations?

If the early reports are taken to be true, then it is necessary also to believe in a subsequent cover up by Chinese authorities. Many believe that the Chinese regime used the weeks after the revelation to clear out the camp, transfer the prisoners, and hide the evidence. The regime was thereby ready to give a show tour of a Potemkin facility to reporters and international investigators, who belatedly tried to confirm the story.

On Friday April 14, the U.S. State Department said that "Officers and staff from our embassy in Beijing and consulate in Shenyang have visited the area and the specific site mentioned in these reports on two separate occasions....In these visits the officers were allowed to tour the entire facility and grounds and found no evidence that the site is being used for any function other than as a normal public hospital." The State Department said that it "remains concerned over China's repression of Falun Gong practitioners."

The Chinese regime might implement an effective cover up, but Epoch Times and concerned groups continue to collect more evidence. For example, they documented a recent surge of extra transplant surgeries in the medical community across China.

More good questions remain: What about the 2000 Falun Gong members who were said to remain? Are they still alive? It is an open secret that Beijing wants to eradicate the Falun Gong group before the 2008 Olympics. How many more death camps and draconian measures will be applied? And, if they get away with eradicating this group, then who else might they eradicate next?

There is a word to apply when facing state sponsored eradication of a group. That word is: genocide. Even if China�s regime presents a cleaned up Sujiatun facility, it is entirely fitting and appropriate that the China Support Network must decry and denounce the crackdown against Falun Gong that is genocidal in its overall dimensions.

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Two Cowards and a Brave Woman:
Hu Jintao, George Bush, and Wenyi Wang

A Statement in Support of Dr. Wenyi Wang
And, a letter from Ireland that compares her to Rosa Parks

By John Patrick Kusumi
China Support Network founder

I am very proud of Dr. Wenyi Wang for her service in the cause of justice for the Chinese people. She has just helped to "mainstream" news from our cause here — that of freedom, justice, and a new China with human rights and democracy. Writing to my colleagues in the China Support Network, I have said, "our news — that of Falun Gong organ harvesting as at Sujiatun — is being 'mainstreamed' into household news.

"In many ways, it is a breakthrough for the cause, made possible by Wenyi Wang. As for any charges from the U.S. Attorney's office, do they really want to fight with Falun Gong? You'd better believe she would have all the volunteer attorney time as needed, from the top lawyers in this cause. People like Terri Marsh [attorney for Falun Gong] or Ning Ye [Chinese dissident / human rights attorney] would defend her. So, as she achieves sainthood in our community, she's hard for prosecutors, or persecutors, to touch....I think that 'China is busted,' caught red handed with blood on Hu's hands....We should hope that CNN, et al, stay on the case, following this story to a peaceful conclusion that spares the lives of the Falun Gong practitioners."

I can also add, as to her federal misdemeanor charges, that the United States, itself, should not have prisoners of conscience. Charges against this woman are flatly disgusting, noxiously objectionable, and a self-evident outrage. —The federal prosecutors should have better than a morally insensitive tin ear that is politically tone deaf. Maybe we need another unanimous Congressional resolution. (Falun Gong has had that!) Or the White House could arrange executive clemency. Even before Thursday, it seemed that the cause has more friends in Congress than in the Executive Branch. (This was also true in 1989 as CSN started in the wake of Tiananmen Square's bloody massacre.) Trouble with the feds ought to pass. The advancement of a humanitarian cause—during a historic disaster—is a more lasting contribution.

Wenyi Wang secured her place in history, in a long line of Chinese dissidents who have become famous. Her legacy is one to admire. There were two men standing nearby on a red carpet, but no heroism about the Falun Gong issue from those two men yesterday. The bravery, nature, character and integrity of Wenyi Wang stands in stark contrast to the profound dereliction and craven moral cowardice of Hu Jintao and George W. Bush on this issue. It may be that both Presidents were given a new orifice by recent events.

I want to end my piece today by showing, highlighting, and praising a letter, written in Ireland, that "got it right." This letter to the editor was run by the Irish Times—

The new Rosa Parks?

Hats off to the lady who heckled the Chinese leader on the White House lawn. She reminded me of the great Rosa Parks, who highlighted the racial segregation laws of Alabama back in the 1950s, and of the "White Rose" protesters who threw leaflets denouncing the Nazi regime from the windows of a Munich university at a time when most Germans looked the other way.

Dr. Wang Wenyi had every reason to be angry. The Communist regime of the so-called "People's Republic" of China has been responsible for numerous horrific crimes against humanity. The Falun Gong sect to which she referred, whatever one thinks of its beliefs, has millions of followers in China.

Like the adherents of any religious or spiritual belief system, they deserve the freedom to give peaceful expression to their beliefs. Instead, Falun Gong members are subjected to relentless persecution, torture and imprisonment.

The Chinese regime also retains its bloody grip on Tibet, which it invaded and annexed half a century ago. Since the occupation began, millions of innocent Tibetans have been murdered or imprisoned and repeated attempts have been made to exterminate the nation's unique Buddhist culture.

The paranoid control freaks who run China have imposed strict media censorship and restricted access to the internet to the point where, for example, it is impossible for any citizen to locate a website containing information or opinions critical of the regime's brutal policies. References to the 1989 massacre of dissidents in Tiananmen Square are forbidden, and Tibet no longer exists on globes made in China.

China's immense value and potential as a trading partner has blinded many people in the West to the cruelty and horror that its leaders have inflicted on their own citizens and the people of occupied Tibet.

Greed has over-ridden concern about the human rights catastrophe that is Communist China.

Yours, etc,
JOHN FITZGERALD, Callan, Co Kilkenny

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TROUBLE FOR U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY

In our recent flyer (#4), Chinese threats to national security were discussed—its military modernization, possible role in nuclear screening of U.S.-bound cargo, energy and resource competition, support for terrorism and rogue nations, WMD proliferation, and threats to the free and democratic country of Taiwan. A nuclear-armed communist superpower, on balance, is a national security risk. Communists, dictators, tyrants and thugs—including Chinese leaders—are threats to freedom.


TROUBLE FOR U.S. ECONOMY

A trade deficit is a bad thing from dollar one. A trade deficit with tyranny is worse. That suggests the current U.S. trade deficit with China is "bad times 202 billion, and then some." Possible further trouble from trade deficits includes— job loss, wage depression, weakening of the U.S. dollar, higher inflation, higher cost of living, and erosion of the industrial base. A trade deficit is a transfer of wealth in the wrong direction; a hemmorage of liquidity for our economy; and, it contributes to the current account deficit in our nation�s balance-of-payments accounting.

FORCED LABOR (LAOGAI CAMPS)

China has laojiao, administrative detention for up to three years with no due process and no trial. Laojiao is the first step on a prisoner's route to Laogai, a labor camp (prison and incarceration) where inmates endure brutal conditions, torture, and forced labor. Laogai labor may manufacture things like Christmas lights and toys for export. Laogai labor also goes by another word: slavery. That's economic dirty pool that cuts against American workers as well as the millions of suffering Chinese in the Laogai camps.

PRISONER ORGAN HARVESTING FOR PROFIT

If prison camps and labor camps are not enough, China also runs death camps—horrific concentration camps that remind one of the Nazi Holocaust in World War II's Europe. The Laogai Research Foundation has documented the practice of organ harvesting from prisoners upon execution, and recently the Epoch Times documented a camp for Falun Gong practitioners where slaughter for organs was the purpose. Per reports, organs were taken from prisoners while still alive, prior to extermination in this 'camp of no return.'

CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY IN EAST TURKESTAN

East Turkestan is a land like Tibet in that it was invaded and occupied by Communist China. The same atrocities as in Tibet are perpetrated here, and another: Communists used the land for above-ground open-air nuclear tests, killing over 200,000 East Turkestanis, who tend to be Uighur Muslims.

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- Shi Tao's mother writes to George Bush

- Pressure continues on cases of Wang Bingzhang, Yang Jianli, others
- CSN releases its Tuesday talking point sheet:
Highlights Falun Gong crackdown, more

April 17, 2006 (CSN) — The community for human rights, freedom, and democracy is keeping up the pressure this week, while U.S. President George Bush will meet with China President Hu Jintao. The Chinese side terms this to be a "state visit," and the visit seems to stand in and represent the entire state of Sino-U.S. relations. Many issues are raised surrounding this week's meetings. The meetings are certain to be haunted by five high profile prisoner cases — Wang Bingzhang, Yang Jianli, Shi Tao, Tenzin Delek, and the Panchen Lama.

George Bush hears it from Shi Tao's mother

The case of Shi Tao (a journalist sentenced to ten years' imprisonment, after Yahoo! gave account details to the Chinese government) is also in today's CSN talking points, under "Journalism crackdown" and "Internet crackdown." On Monday, the Wei Jingsheng Foundation released the text of a letter from Gao Qinsheng, the mother of Shi Tao written directly to George Bush.

Addressed 'To the Honorable President Bush:' it says this—

My name is Gao Qinsheng. I am a Chinese citizen and the mother of Shi Tao, the Chinese journalist that Yahoo! harmed. I know that you are not just the president of a great country, but also the loving father of two daughters. Thus, I would like to talk to you about my son's situation.

Shi Tao is my eldest son. Since his father died early from illness, I had to, at a young age, take responsibility for raising the entire household. Shi Tao is a respectful and obedient son, and to his two younger brothers, he is a role model deserving of deep affection. From a young age, Shi Tao had a passion for literature, and was already somewhat famous by the time he was in his university's poetry club. He has published collections of poetry as well as hundreds of literature review pieces and informal essays.

My son has a very compassionate heart and is very considerate to others. Early on in his college days, he donated blood on many occasions despite having a stomach illness. After joining the workforce, he would help anyone in times of hardship, whether that person was a distant relative, a next-door neighbor, colleague, or friend. So when some impoverished victims came to him to ask him to make a statement in the media, he, as a media worker, would never decline their requests, and would enthusiastically receive them, even helping the victims to file lawsuits.

Shi Tao has worked in the media for over ten years, going from being a journalist to being a director of a newspaper's editorial department, to director of a news center to deputy editor-in-chief, and he constantly created and brought innovation to his work. He faced life straight on and persisted in following justice, faithfully fulfilling his duties, and tried his best to report the news truthfully, objectively, and fairly.

In April 2004, Shi Tao sent a letter to an overseas Chinese-language Internet site. The contents included information that governments in China sent warnings to newspaper offices, saying that some overseas democracy advocates might return to China on the 15th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, thus threatening stability. The contents of this letter were used by a local Chinese court in charging Shi Tao with "divulging information to foreign hostile elements." In April 2005, Shi Tao was sentenced to ten years in jail by the Hunan Province, Changsha City Mid-level People's court for "Illegally Providing State Secrets to Those Overseas," and was stripped of political rights for two years.

A key piece of evidence in this court verdict was material on Shi Tao provided by Yahoo!'s holding company in Hong Kong. Yahoo! is a multinational corporation registered in America. Its actions have violated the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights and its two human rights conventions, have betrayed basic human conscience and business ethics, have deprived its clients of their privacy rights, and have endangered the personal safety of its consumers. Because Yahoo! forgot its integrity when faced with profits and abetted a criminal, our family has fallen into enormous suffering.

Honorable President Bush, I believe that you can understand what state of mind a parent would be in when his or her own flesh and blood are harmed without reason. I watched helplessly as my own treasured son was humiliated, and my heart bleeds as I come to grips with the fact that my son will spend his youth in jail. I watched as Shi Tao's beloved wife was forced to divorce him in order to keep her job as a journalist, and was left inconsolable. The scene that they hugged each other tightly before the forever separation totally shattered my heart.

I asked five different lawyers to represent my son, but none of them amounted to anything, and our numerous appeals in court also came to no avail. In order to make it easier for me to visit Shi Tao in jail, I moved far away from my home, and am now living in the unfamiliar Changsha City in Hunan Province. Our family has lost the family fortune and has paid a heavy price in all of this.

When we were in a completely helpless situation, Reporters Without Borders took the initiative to stand up and harshly criticize Yahoo!, and soon afterwards media from many nations, international human rights organizations, overseas Chinese people and other foreign friends stood up to condemn Yahoo! and to state their support for Shi Tao, giving us moral support. This was especially the case when not long ago, American members of Congress submitted Yahoo! to a harsh line of questioning at a hearing and spoke out for those victimized Chinese Yahoo! consumers. This made me extremely grateful.

To this day, Yahoo! has not made a formal apology to Shi Tao, nor did they express a willingness to compensate or provide assistance to the victims.

Honorable President Bush: America is a great democratic nation. It shouldn't tolerate Internet companies like Yahoo! willfully violating the human rights of other nations' citizens. I hope that you will take this case very seriously, and urge Yahoo! to take responsibility for the victims of the case, thus displaying Americans' integrity and sincerity.

Here, I request that when you meet with Chinese leader Hu Jintao, speak on behalf of my innocent son, and urge the Chinese government to release Shi Tao soon.


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What did Bush say to Hu? "Sorry, boss!"

There is a time when it is right to stand up for one's principles. Bush did not speak for freedom loving Americans when he grovelled at Hu's feet and sought his forgiveness because he had witnessed a scene that could not have played out in PRC without the death of the protester.

Bush got nothing from his meetings with Hu. Worse still, Bush missed the opportunity to give Hu a lesson in one of the fundamental rights of people in a free land.

Diplomacy is the Devil's tool when it is used to placate the guilty against the innocent.

Leviticus 19:15
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: [but] in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.


Deuteronomy 1:17
17 Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; [but] ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment [is] God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring [it] unto me, and I will hear it.


Deuteronomy 16:19
19 Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.

Deuteronomy 16:20
20 That which is altogether just shalt thou follow, that thou mayest live, and inherit the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Proverbs 24:23
23 ¶ These [things] also [belong] to the wise. [It is] not good to have respect of persons in judgment.


2 Samuel 15:4
4 Absalom said moreover, Oh that I were made judge in the land, that every man which hath any suit or cause might come unto me, and I would do him justice!


Psalms 82:3-4
3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid [them] out of the hand of the wicked.


Matthew 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25:35
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Matthew 25:36
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:37
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?

Matthew 25:38
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?

Matthew 25:39
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Matthew 25:40
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:42
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Matthew 25:43
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Matthew 25:44
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Matthew 25:45
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

Matthew 25:46
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Can you hear Him now?

Clarification/Follow-up by paraclete on 04/25/06 12:11 am:
To much information Ronnie, shouting for a long time doesn't produce agreement only boredom, when will you learn that? You point was well made in the first piece why not leave it at that.

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 04/25/06 3:34 pm:
Ronnie,

1. The post doesn't get more convincing the longer it is.

2. Nobody said Wang shouldn't speak out against religious persecution in China.

You just seem to have this attitude that Bush can do no right...and condemning him for apologizing to a guest at his welcoming ceremony just takes the cake. Bush was probably privately pleased that Wang would dare confront Hu, but where I come from - Texas - what Bush did would be expected. It's common courtesy, something that you may be unfamiliar with.

Did you even notice the president standing next to Hu and saying this?

As the relationship between our two nations grows and matures, we can be candid about our disagreements. I'll continue to discuss with President Hu the importance of respecting human rights and freedoms of the Chinese people. China has become successful because the Chinese people are experience the freedom to buy, and to sell, and to produce -- and China can grow even more successful by allowing the Chinese people the freedom to assemble, to speak freely, and to worship.