Clarification/Follow-up by Choux on 12/07/05 12:59 pm:
It:: Think back, before the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame and the CIA got pissed off, how many examples do you know of when the CIA went public with stuff!!!!!! They are a secret organization!!!

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 12/07/05 1:27 pm:
Choux,

Do what I suggested and Google CIA OFFICER CONDITION OF ANONYMITY and see how many hits are returned.

Clarification/Follow-up by Choux on 12/07/05 1:33 pm:
It: Just post one example.

Clarification/Follow-up by excon on 12/07/05 1:35 pm:

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things:

>>>Should we praise these CIA insiders for exposing the horrors of the Bush administration?<<<

You said there were horrors. I just agreed with you.

>>>how on earth can we deal with terrorists if we coddle them over here? <<<

Is your assumption that anything less than torture is coddling? There is a lot of distance between torturing a prisoner and coddling him. I mean there is a lot of space. That’s where we should keep them. And, that’s where we should keep our own domestic prisoners. It’s a huge space, too, Its. It isn’t hard at all to distinguish what treatment fits into that space and what does not.

Plus, my own bias (which happens to be a very American bias) dictates that the prisoners we hold should be afforded basic humane treatment. I get, from your previous questions and answers, that you don’t know what that treatment is. That you think feeding a prisoner three meals a day is coddling. That if the temperature is a constant 69, you think it’s coddling.

I don’t have any trouble making those distinctions. I don’t believe you do either.

excon

Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 12/07/05 2:55 pm:
I just gave 2 in my response . I also posted during the election and before the Plame story got hot that the CIA was leaking docs to the press and the Kerry campaign.

Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 12/07/05 2:58 pm:
I need to correct my response . Evidently the CIA did refer the matter in November .

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200511081832.asp

Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 12/07/05 3:01 pm:
The CIA uses it's funds to finance anti Bush organizations

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040907-122639-4027r.htm

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 12/07/05 3:06 pm:
ex,

"Should we praise these CIA insiders for exposing the horrors of the Bush administration?"

I was being sarcastic.

>>Is your assumption that anything less than torture is coddling?<<

Nope. But the thing is ex, to the critics I'm referring to, those whose driving force is NOT concern for human rights but pure hatred for our president, anything less than coddling is torture.

See, I refuse to sit back and say or do nothing while these people do all they possibly can to undermine the administration, the war and our peace and security over their intolerant political agenda. That is where the battle line is now drawn ex. Not in Iraq, not in Afghanistan, not in Iran, North Korea or Syria - but amongst ourselves. Those who couldn't give a damn about this country, your safety or mine, about how many American or coalition troops lose their lives or anything else beyond gaining power and getting their way.

And IF you've read my previous and many comments on how these detainees should be treated you'd know I am also for basic humane treatment. The question then becomes what defines torture, and what interrogation techniques are acceptable? I would go farther than the left would, and I think you would, too - especially when it comes to protecting your family. Somehow I think these CIA leakers would as well.

Steve