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11/21/05 |
Hello experts:
I know some of you will take offense at my premise, but that’s never stopped me before.
I’m an uneducated exconvict. Bush is an educated president. Nonetheless, I put myself on the same intellectual plain with Bush in terms of world affairs. Pretty arrogant of me, huh?
Here’s why. Well, having no education, I never knew how the world WAS. But I read, so I know how the world IS. Bush, being educated, knows how the world WAS. But he doesn’t read, so he doesn’t know how the world IS.
Given all that, I’d say that makes us even. You may say something different, and I’m sure you will.
Here’s what I know: The Arabs of today can’t get along with anybody. That’s the way it is, and I believe that’s the way it’s been. Do you think they can?
Here’s the predicament: Our very future, maybe even our survival, is based on whether the Iraqi’s can keep their country together after we leave, WHENEVER that happens to be. And that date will come. Bush bet OUR future, the ENTIRE ballgame, on the ability of Arabs to get along.
I would never make a bet like that. I don’t think that was very good. You would have?
excon
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Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 11/21/05 11:30 am:
so why don't we withdraw from South Korea ? Clarification/Follow-up by excon on 11/21/05 11:33 am:
Hello again, tom:
Tom, tom, tom. Arabs are not Koreans. I dunno why. They're just not.
It's true, the S. Koreans don't want us there. So, they demonstrate against their government. What they DON'T do, is attack our troops with suicide bombers.
If they did, I'll bet we would leave.
What??? You think the insurgents will leave us alone in our garrisons??? Really???
excon
Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 11/21/05 11:57 am:
the correct answer is that because our ally (not puppet) has not asked us to leave and we are committed to their defense.
Why have we not left the Balkins ;because the mission there is not finished and all our efforts would be wasted if we left there before stability can be achieved . Why have we not left Afghanistan ?Same reason . I do not hear antyone calling that a quagmire even though we've been there longer and are still being shot and killed . What ? is 2000 the magic # ? Once 2000 Americans are killed in Afghanistan it will be time to fold up the tents ?
Why are we still targetted ;why has the insurgency ramped up recently ? The jihadists are not shy in telling us why .
The aftermath of the collapse of American power in Vietnam-and how they ran and left their agents-is noteworthy. Because of that, we must be ready starting now, before events overtake us, and before we are surprised by the conspiracies of the Americans and the United Nations and their plans to fill the void behind them. We must take the initiative and impose a fait accompli upon our enemies, instead of the enemy imposing one on us, wherein our lot would be to merely resist their schemes. [letter from Ayman al-Zawahiri to Zarqawi, dated July 9,2005 ]
Bush makes a mistake by saying that we will draw down as the Iraqis become more capable . I would make them the extra boots on the ground that solidifies territory taken from the insurgency . If we leave then I will consider the words of al-Zawahiri ;bin-Laden ;and General Vo Nguyen Giap to be true; That America does not honor it's commitements . Clarification/Follow-up by excon on 11/21/05 12:22 pm:
Tom:
I don't disagree that we should keep our committments. But we haven't been that kind of country for a long time.
What I'm discussing is what is GOING to happen on the ground. Not what SHOULD happen on the ground.
excon
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