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Choux |
10/23/05 |
***Do not read on*** if you are fragile or do not like strong talk about religion::
"We live in a twisted world, where right is wrong and wrong reigns supreme. It is a chilling fact that most of the world's leaders believe in nonsensical fairytales about the nature of reality. They believe in Gods that do not exist, and religions that could not possibly be true. We are driven to war after war, violence on top of violence to appease madmen who believe in gory mythologies.
These men are called Christians, Muslims and Jews.
Osama bin Laden is insane. He believes God whispered in the ear of Mohammed 1,400 years ago about how he should conquer Arabia. Mohammed was a pure charlatan -- and a good one at that. He makes present religious frauds like Pat Robertson look like amateurs.
He said God told him to have sex with as many of the women he met as possible. I'm sorry, I meant to say "take them as wives." God told him to kill all other tribes that stood in his way or that would not placate him with assurances of loyalty or bribes. God told him, conveniently, that everyone should follow him and never question a word he said.
He sold this bag of goods to the blithering idiots who lived in the Arabian Peninsula at the time. If that weren't shockingly stupid enough, over a billion people continue to believe the convenient lies that Mohammed told all that time ago -- to this very day.
We live in a world full of insane people. Sanity is an island battered in an ocean of frothing delusion. The people who believe in science are the minority. The people who believe in bloody fairytales are the overwhelming majority.
George W. Bush is the most powerful man alive. He is a class A imbecile. He is far less intelligent than the average Christian. But like most of the others, he believes Jesus died for his sins. That idea is so perverse and devoid of logic it should shock the conscience. Instead, it gets him elected, and earns him the reverence of a great percentage of America. America! The most advanced country in the world -- run by a bunch of villagers who still believe Santa Claus is going to save them.
There is no fucking Easter Bunny. There is no Jesus waiting to return. Moses never even existed. These were all convenient lies from the men of those times to gain power. Their actions were rational -- they wanted to deceive their brethren so that they could amass power. I get their motivations. But I cannot, for the life of me, understand our motivations, thousands of years later, still following the conmen of yesteryear into our gory, bloody, violent end.
Jesus is said to have said on the cross, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Because Jesus was insane and the God he thought would rescue him did not exist. And he died on that cross like a fool. He fancied himself the son of God and he could barely convince twelve men to follow him at a time when the world was full of superstition.
Excellent marketing by some of his followers would later rescue his botched effort. How many people saw his miracles? One? Twelve? Eighty? Why didn't he show the whole world? Not because this is some giant pop quiz by God to test us -- but because he did not perform any miracles!
Even his apostles can't agree on what miracles he supposedly carried out or when he carried them out. Or whether he returned after death or he didn't. Whether they saw him in person or just as a vision. Rational human beings shouldn't believe this kind of nonsense. Yet most of the world does.
If a man today killed his only son to show how much he loved other people, he would be considered a madman, locked in jail and earn society's contempt. Yet we think this is some sort of noble act by our Father in Heaven.
In Heaven? What, with the harps and the winged angels and the 72 virgins? My God, how stupid do you have to be to believe that?
I know most of you don't actually read your religious texts, and when you do, you assiduously try to avoid the parts that make no sense whatsoever or hide underneath the comforting grasp of your religious leaders who have concocted a bunch of circular logic (a crime to even use that word in regards to Christianity, Islam or Judaism) to shield you from the obvious folly of the written text.
So, I'm not calling you stupid if you haven't really read the material. And I know how powerful brainwashing is. We all received it when we were young and it is exceedingly difficult to break its grasp. But people dance around the issue out of politeness because they don't want to call you what you are -- ignorant.
There are a lot of people I love dearly and respect wholeheartedly who believe in religion. I hate to do this to them. But we have killed far too many people, wasted far too much time on this nonsense for us to keep going in this direction for fear of offense.
Jesus was a lunatic. God is not coming to your rescue. He hasn't come to anyone's rescue in thousands of years, including Jesus. Mohammed was a power hungry, scam artist and ruthless conqueror. Moses and Abraham were figments of the imagination some long dead rabbi. He would probably laugh his ass off at all of you who still believe the fairytales he made up thousands of years ago. He probably wouldn't even believe it if you told him.
Did I mention Judaism? The chosen people? Come on, get off it. People walk around in clothes from 18th century Russia, thinking they have been chosen by God when they look like a bunch of jackasses. I'm tired of all the deaths because we did not want to give offense. Orthodox Jews are wrong and ridiculous.
As are the orthodox and fundamentalists of all of the religions. It says in the Bible that it is an abomination to wear clothes made of two different cloths or to eat shellfish. If you think God will hate you because you mixed wool and linen or because you ate some shrimp, you are insane.
How long are we going to dance around the 800-pound gorilla in the room? The world is run by madmen. It's not just Bush and bin Laden. It is the leader of all of the countries in the Middle East, almost all of the Americas and most of the rest of the world.
Have I offended you? That's too bad. Stop killing each other in the name of false and ridiculous Gods and I will stop ridiculing you. Trust me, your offense is much worse than mine.
Right now as you read this, there are ignorant, hateful Muslims teaching other ignorant Muslims how to put on a suicide belt. There are orthodox Jews telling other Jews how they must never leave their "holy land" no matter what the consequences are to other human beings. They assure their followers -- remember, they are not the chose ones, we are. If we crush and oppress them, don't worry, God will excuse it, and even desires it, because He is on our side.
There are maniacal Christians who are praying for the end of time. Who are hoping that most of the world's population is wiped off the face of the Earth by their vengeful and murderous God. Whom they believe is, ironically, a loving God. Unless, of course, you make the fatal mistake of not kissing his ass and appeasing him, in which case he will slaughter you and condemn you to eternal torture. What kind of sick people believe this?
The kind who live next to you. The kind who voted for George Bush. The kind who send their religious leaders to the White House to argue against even-handedness in the Middle East because it would prevent their sick prophecy. The kind who have undue influence over how we use the greatest and most lethal army ever built by man.
If you don't want to be called ignorant or misinformed, then get informed. Learn the real nature of our universe and put aside old wives tales about resurrected Gods, omniscient prophets and a guy who could split the Red Sea but couldn't find where he's going in the desert for forty years.
It's the year 2005.
Let's start acting like it."-Cenk Uygur
Strong words. Do you have any comments?? |
Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 10/24/05 11:39 am:
ex,
Gimme a break - you're not among those around here I think of as ignorant, hypocritical, intolerant, know it all idiots.
What I think about the article is it is an ignorant, hypocritical, intolerant piece by a know it all idiot.
Steve
Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 10/24/05 12:55 pm:
Chou
>>>The religious "hear" emotion and fanaticism that is not there. <<<
Excuse me? Did you not read the article before you posted it? How can you possibly say that Uygur's fanaticism isn't there?
Lets take a few of his quotes, shall we?
1) We live in a world full of insane people. Sanity is an island battered in an ocean of frothing delusion.
Yeah, the lunatics in the assylum always think they are the sane ones.
2) America! The most advanced country in the world -- run by a bunch of villagers who still believe Santa Claus is going to save them.
Again, he's the only sane and correct-thinking person. Everyone else is a backwater hick or a nutcase.
3) I know most of you don't actually read your religious texts, and when you do, you assiduously try to avoid the parts that make no sense whatsoever or hide underneath the comforting grasp of your religious leaders who have concocted a bunch of circular logic (a crime to even use that word in regards to Christianity, Islam or Judaism) to shield you from the obvious folly of the written text.
Chou, you have known me for how many years? Do you truthfully believe that I haven't studied my own religious texts? You have on a number of occaisions praised my knowledge of Jewish belief and text. Uygur is making assumptions, and those assumptions are generally wrong. But why let the facts get in the way?
That ability to ignore facts and reality is a symptom of fanaticism.
4) So, I'm not calling you stupid if you haven't really read the material.
Actually, that is EXACTLY what he is calling us. He pretty much says so over and over again. So not only does he ignore the facts, he ignores what he himself said both before and after that statement.
5)And I know how powerful brainwashing is. We all received it when we were young and it is exceedingly difficult to break its grasp.
Again, everyone else is nuts, and have been brainwashed. Only HE can see the light of truth. As I said, lunatics also think they are the only sane ones.
6) There are a lot of people I love dearly and respect wholeheartedly who believe in religion.
Yeah... and "a lot of my friends are black". Ever hear that one before? Usually used by the most anti-black person in the room?
7) Moses and Abraham were figments of the imagination some long dead rabbi.
Excuse me? Given the amount of arheological evidence pointing to the existense of Moses (including Egyptian records, corroborating records from other cultures that existed at the same time, etc.) it would seem that Uygur is completely ignoring scientific fact. Especially in the case of Abraham, who's body is buried in the Cave of Machpela (alongside Isaac, Jacob, Sara, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah), and has actually been seen. You can't say Abraham never existed if we have the body. This from the guy who claims that he is a believer of science rather than mythology. Except of course when it doesn't fit with his personal world-view. Again, the ability to ignore facts in favor of your opinion is called what? That's right, say it with me... fanaticism.
8) People walk around in clothes from 18th century Russia, thinking they have been chosen by God when they look like a bunch of jackasses.
No, in reality the one who comes off sounding like a jackass and a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum is Uygur. He should really get over himself.
9) If you think God will hate you because you mixed wool and linen or because you ate some shrimp, you are insane.
And if you think you are the only sane one in the room, you are insane.
10) Have I offended you? That's too bad. Stop killing each other in the name of false and ridiculous Gods and I will stop ridiculing you.
And here we have the dehumanization I was speaking of. It's all right for him to ridicule others because they are "insane", "murderers" and "ignorant". But G-d forbid if anyone were to argue with him... he would take it as a mortal insult to be disagreed with by his inferiors, and he would make sure to hurl insult after insult at them in order to further indicate his superiority and their inferiority. That is the first step in making the other less human than you in order to turn them into the next scapegoat. That pattern has been followed throughout history, and Uygur is perpetuating it.
11)If you don't want to be called ignorant or misinformed, then get informed.
In other words, "if you don't want to be insulted, then believe what I believe.
How does that differ from saying "If you don't want to go to hell, the believe what I believe"? What makes Uygur different from the "religious fanatics" that he's spewing forth against?
Nothing. He is exactly the same. He's the perfect picture of the exact kind of fanatic that he's opposed to. He's just on the opposite side. But he's no less fanatical.
I havn't seen something that doesn't exist, Chou. I have simply noticed what Uygur is.
Elliot
Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 10/24/05 1:33 pm:
What about the points he puts forth??? What points? He's just one more angry idiot that thinks he knows my faith better than I do. One more angry idiot using arguments by outrage for what he doesn't understand. One more angry idiot who shows his own ignorance in calling others ignorant.
I can only agree on this much, "Osama bin Laden is insane." Uygur wants to blame all that's wrong with the world on Christians, Muslims and Jews - yet I don't know of any Christians or Jews bent on jihad. He believes science, logic and reason are our saviors, while acknowledging the conscience - I find that odd.
In short, if Uygur doens't want to be called ignorant or misinformed he should get informed instead of ranting on the basis of his own myths.
Steve
Clarification/Follow-up by Erewhon on 10/25/05 5:01 am:
I had already read your C/P before you posted it, and it is *** don't read on unless you have a strong stomach and don't mind it being tolfd as it is *** just as much lunacy here as it was the first three times.
Note the complete absence of logical sequencing or reasoning.
Great stuff if you are moved by the emotion of the moment and the words of a fool, but absolute gnat's wee wee if you like some substance to your information.
www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/
www.thousandreasons.org/
jonaquino.textdriven.com/descriptious/descriptious-populicious.html
Well, I guess you didn't think it through - or even read it - before you aimed your dart?
Make an argument if you want converts, don't just make unsupported statements.
Let the debate begin.
Clarification/Follow-up by Jim.McGinness on 10/25/05 9:31 pm:
Choux, did you find this at the following website?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/if-youre-a-christian-mu_b_9349.html
Would it hurt, when you're violating copyright, to at least cite the original source?
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