Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 08/18/05 12:55 pm:
abxwhoever,

Are you one of those deaf, dumb and blind kids?

DK said "In my opinion and experience, it was only a matter of time," not that people he *thinks* "MAY BE blatant and may strike at US are targets."

Perhaps you should do a quick study on the threats Saddam has made against the US, there are enough facts on that to justify taking him out - or should we just brush off threats such as, "What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds." Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999

That and a long list of others seems enough to make Saddam a target.

Steve

Clarification/Follow-up by kindj on 08/18/05 1:27 pm:
abx12:

Perhaps you failed to read, as Itsdb pointed out.

I guess I should've backed up my "opinion and experience."

I served during Gulf I on the front lines (and occasionally behind the lines), and I had numerous occasions to hear Iraqis talk. Sometimes I needed a translator, sometimes not. You'd be surprised at how good some people's English gets sometimes, and they're not all uneducated peasants as the media likes to paint them. Oh, and then of course there were the daily intel reports I'd get when I wasn't actually out in the sandhills or in the cities letting them shoot at me.

In short, I have sat in rooms/tents/foxholes with captured Iraqi soldiers, and I have heard first-hand their plans and those of their leaders. And I do believe that's more than most people can say, and certainly more than those oh-so-cozy, Ivy-League, armchair generals so prevalent on the PBS and CNN circuits.

I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Disagree if you must, but argue you cannot.

DK

Clarification/Follow-up by abx12 on 08/18/05 2:13 pm:
itsy-bitsywhatever

rhetoric was sadam's threats - gee, what happe4ned to WMD and 9/11 - that didn't play so you have new reasons - sadam didn't like us and spoke nasty so lets go kill him and a few thousand others -- get real

kindji .......... im talking about the war now, not then. tyour claim to inside info is hollow - only what you say. anybody can say anuthing....

Clarification/Follow-up by purplewings on 08/18/05 2:32 pm:
abx12 is a doofus. He rates and makes unjustified comments but doesn't have an answer of his own.

He is just harrassing people here, including me. Don't let it get to you guys.

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 08/18/05 2:56 pm:
abracadbra,

Again you only show the folly of ignorance. It was the left and the MSM that made WMD's and 9/11 the defining reason for going to Iraq. The reasons as stated in the IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION, the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, UN SR 1441, and the president's state of the union address were numerous, including:

"direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire"

"attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities"

"poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations"

"continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability"

"actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability"

"supporting and harboring terrorist organizations"

"violating resolution of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region"

"refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman"

"failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait"

"has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people"

"has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council"

"members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq"

"continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens"

"repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress"

I don't beileve I have never said WMD's or 9/11 were the primary reasons for going to Iraq, but I have repeatedly stated genocide, his known use of chemical weapons, 12 years of UN defiance, and repression including the displacement of an ancient culture in destroying the Marsh Arabs' homeland were good enough reasons to take his "rhetoric" seriously.

Steve

Clarification/Follow-up by kindj on 08/18/05 3:06 pm:
abx12:

Your notion that the war now vs. then are totally different is part of the reason people are so uninformed on the war now. The two are tied, and if you can't reach far enough back in your memory to see that, then your commentary is of no use to me or anyone else.

If I were going to make hollow claims, don't you think I'd make better ones than that? Don't you think I'd at least make myself a general or presidential aide or something? No. I'm telling you that I was a soldier with a special job to, and what I heard and learned while I did it.

"Anybody can say anything..." oops, I mean "anybody can say anuthing." Apparently that extends to you, as well. The difference is, my information that I supply is credible and salient to the discussion. Your's are simply inflammatory juvenile remarks.

Go on home now, you're momma's calling you to supper...

Clarification/Follow-up by kindj on 08/18/05 3:17 pm:
Just so we'll all know:
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abx12: 1 area of Expertise

Fantasy Leagues

Been doing computer fantasy leagues since first year in high school - asl me anything yiou want - I will answer best I can

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So this is what, the second year in high school?

Clarification/Follow-up by abx12 on 08/18/05 3:24 pm:
hey, guys, purple has privately threatened to harrass me and she public says Im the harrasser! Go figger.

Itsdb - come on, tyhe WMD and the 9/11 alqada supposed cnnection was what Bush said - spin all you want - it wont chg history. (abracadabra is cool!)

the other guy - your funny too. but insulting me doesn't win you points for your position. gotta go now, mommas calling....

Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 08/22/05 9:35 am:
So the anti-war crowd just ignores the facts - or is it that the facts just don't measure up?

I see nothing anywhere that rebutes the facts in the article I sourced or any past information I have provided . I have and will continue to provide more as my time permits . All evidence has been dismissed by the' anti-war crowd ' without any factual counter-argument.