Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 10/27/04 10:39 am:
Excon,

Remind me not to ask you for betting advice on any sport. You seem to have a skewed view of the term "loosing". You probably thought that Ali was loosing to Frazier too... right up until he knocked Frazier out with his rope-a-dope trick.

90% of the country is under our control. Of the 10% that is not, only a minority are actively fighting us.

The PEOPLE of Iraq, for the most part want us there. The terrorists are dying left and right, and if the are geting in a few licks, that is hardly evidence that we are "loosing". More of them are dying than us. And we have the capacity to keep this up forever, if we have to... they don't. They are short on manpower, resources and funds. They are cut off from support, and they no longer have the support or the fear of the majority of Iraqis.

Sure, there is a push right now to commit as many terrorist acts as they can to influence our elections. But they are throwing EVERYTHING they've got at that goal. It's an all-or-nothing roll of the dice, and they can only come up craps.

But YOU are falling for it.

Elliot

Clarification/Follow-up by excon on 10/27/04 10:48 am:

Hello Elliot:

To semi quote a well worn phrase:

"I know what winning a war is. And, Senator, we're not winning this war".

excon

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 10/27/04 1:51 pm:
Bobby,

No mistake on my part, I'm arguing with MSN, the NY Times, the AP, the Guardian and about gazillion others. The overwhelming majority of media outlets injected "U.S." or "U.S. led coalition" into the story intentionally, when Allawbi merely said 'coalition', a subtle but effective difference intended to malign the U.S. and naturally, the one who took us there...Bush. While it is true it is a U.S. led coalition, I have not found where he specifically blamed the U.S. as most articles and their headlines read.

Also, I did not blame the media for the "quagmire in Iraq", you are mistaken if that's what you believe. I did however blame the media for erroneously placing all the blame for this particular incident on the U.S.

Steve

Clarification/Follow-up by Yiddishkeit on 10/27/04 2:26 pm:
That's my point Steve..MSN who I used for the news source says that Allawi blamed US and COALITION forces. You chose to talk about the media which begs the question...are there any news sources that you actually believe? Just curious, I'm actually starting to think your paranoid.


Bobby

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 10/27/04 2:48 pm:
Bobby,

Look, all I tried to point out was that Allawi did not specifically blame the U.S., so why did most of the media, including MSN specifically blame the U.S.???????? The headlines reading "Allawi blames U.S." are not accurate. Allawi did not specifically target the U.S. in any quote in context, but the media did. Why is that Bobby?

Paranoid, no. Skeptical of most mainstream media, yes. And those, like me, who want to know the truth should be. Who can blame after Rathergate and now the collusion between the Times, CBS and the IAEA dude...and the fact that most of the mainstream media IS indeed liberally biased?

If I'm a conservative, tell me why I should take someone like the NY Times at their word without checking things out for myself? For crying out loud, for the past week you've been accusing me of taking things out context, and when I put things into context you wonder if I'm paranoid. Just who do YOU trust Bobby?

Steve

Clarification/Follow-up by Yiddishkeit on 10/27/04 9:50 pm:
Steve-

They didn't Steve read it again. MSN said, "US and COALITION forces". Do you know what the conjunction word "and" is used for in English? Who is mainstream and whose truth? Your skeptical because of Dan Rather? LOL! Please you let one windbag coming to the close of his career that does mostly commentaries suck you into an imaginary world of paranoia. Hey Steve there are other newspapers besides the NY Times. Pick one you like. Btw I've read articles (in the NY Times) with strong conservative views. Be skeptical but don't be sick about it. Geeeezis some of you are living in an extremely small box.


Bobby

Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 10/28/04 6:39 am:
Bobby,

I get it, I got it a long time ago, most of them say U.S. AND coalition forces. What don't you get about Allawi not specifically using said conjunction? There is a subtle, yet tremendous difference in using said conjunction to refer blame to the U.S. instead of using the more accurate, non-specific wording Allawi used.

You may find it amusing but I don't. For the media, such as the NY Times and CBS, to use bogus information, or refer blame to the U.S. that didn't exist...all in an effort to influence the election and/or purposely make one side look bad is outrageous. It is NOT paranoia on my part, but it does reflect anger and disgust with an institution that is supposed to be reporting the news, not manufacturing the news. If people like me being angry with the media is news to you then perhaps you should get out more often.

You view me as a 'paranoid', narrow-minded conservative 'living in an extremely small box', but here's the thing you don't see, Bobby. You don't know how many stories I've wanted to run with but did not because I couldn't reconcile the facts. Unlike the Times and CBS, I don't believe a person should be smeared with bogus information, whether that person be Bush, Kerry...or you. If expecting accuracy and integrity in the media brings ridicule from people like you, then so be it.

Steve