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This Really Puts the Issue in Sharp Focus voiceguy2000 10/06/04
    I was struck by this essay I ran across today:
    But how do we deter people who want to die? How do we deter people who need only the skill and the means to push a button on a briefcase, or open a box cutter and be prepared to do bloody work with it? How do we deter the assassin lost in the crowd at the Superbowl? How do we deter enemies who are so dispersed, so ethereal and fragmentary, that hostile governments can arm and shelter them knowing full well that we will not retaliate with a nuclear attack against millions of genuine innocents in Cairo, or Tehran, or Riyadh?

    If a suitcase nuke detonates in Times Square, or Long Beach harbor, or outside the Capitol building, what do we do? Nuke Mecca? Incinerate Damascus? Because – so help me God, I tremble to say it – that is exactly the response our enemies would hope for. They care not a whit about their own people because they have no allegiance to anyone but themselves and their vision of a vengeful and bloodthirsty Allah. A million, ten million innocents under American mushroom clouds are just that many more martyrs gone to paradise. It is they, not we, who dream of a clash of civilizations, with its promised sweeping away of the decadent and godless by the blood and faith of the Believer.

    We might yet be able to stop this on the cheap. If we do not, I fear the day will come when 3000 civilians and 1000 American soldiers will look like a very, very small bill to pay.

    What we learned on 9/11 is that there are people out there who are not deterrable. Given the chance – given the weapons – these people will strike without any regard to consequences. The ultimate horror of a world enveloped in nuclear fire is just peachy keen with them if it will bring about the New Caliphate. We love death the way you Americans love life, they say. They are not kidding. They are serious. You can pretend otherwise, but that will not make it change. There are people who are determined to kill us for who we are and what we believe. They can not be deterred.
    The entire essay appears here.

    He adds:
    President Bush warned that this was going to be a different war – something unlike anything we had ever seen. The front line now, at this critical time, is in the hearts and minds of our own people. That’s where the real battle is now. That is our weakest point, our breach, our point of failure. We have not made the case to enough people and time is running out.
    This really captures the thoughts I have had over the last year. It seemed to me that in the summer of 2003 we had a lot of momentum that was causing countries like Pakistan and later Libya to change their approaches. Had this country stood firm in its resolve, I think George Bush would have had a lot more clout to encourage other significant change. But he had the rug cut out from under him by State Department and CIA types who disagreed with his policies, and then the Presidential campaign produced demagogues like Howard Dean who sought to win votes by tearing down everything this country was trying to accomplish.

    Are we, as a country, in a perpetual state of denial?

      Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 10/08/04 5:04 am:
      VG ,on another post this week I alluded to Minter's allegation that OBL was in Iran. I first heard that story during the Afghanistan war .Supposedly one of his cooks was captured and spilled the beans so to speak. I heard rumors that he left Afghanistan as early as the initial bombing began;but also others have claimesd that he was nailed in Tora Bora etc. I tend to believe Minter. (he supposedly has a new book coming out soon . His last book about Clinton losing OBL was a good read)

      Clarification/Follow-up by voiceguy2000 on 10/08/04 6:07 am:
      I just got the Miniter book last night -- it is now out. He refers to two Iranian intelligence sources who say, with apparently strong credibility, that they have seen OBL in Iran, disguised sa a Shia cleric. Since Iran is about 99% Shia, so he says, OBL blends in. He has altered his physical appearance as well, but apparently these two sources not only know him well enough to recognize hm even with the changes, but at least one of them has been formally briefed about it.

      Clarification/Follow-up by tomder55 on 10/08/04 6:29 am:
      One more point ; although Hoffer's book (all I have read is passages )probably describes the mentality of the denial of individual responsibility ,I think a better play book for the jihadists is the 'Hadith' or for that matter all tey really need to do is read biographies of the Prophet.Under his leadership large swaths of the world were conquered.

      All one has to know is to read how he handled the conquest of the Qurayza Jews.
      After they were conqured between 600-900 of the men were beheaded ,and the women and children were sold into slavery .

      In Islam, the prophet Mohammed is the greatest example for the faithful to follow. He is deemed the perfect example of submission to Allah.

 
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