Clarification/Follow-up by XCHOUX on 04/27/04 9:56 am:
Hi Elliot: I thought I said yes in a sardonic kind of way.

Have a nice day, Chou

Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 04/27/04 10:26 am:
Sorry that I misunderstood you.

However, this brings up another question.

You see, I gather from your recent response on the Christianity Board that you are pro-choice... in fact you seem to feel that the pro-life posting by ROLCAM was 'a bunch of melodramatic sob-sister crap' (a direct quote). See the original posting with your response here:

http://www.answerway.com/viewans.php?pgtitle=Christianity&expid=XCHOUX&category=633&msection=&quesid=25567&ansid=90609

Which brings me to my question...

How can you justify a position in which you feel that the government has the responsibility to protect a bunch of unborn baby birds, but has no right to protect unborn baby humans? Do you truthfully believe that avians are somehow more important than humans, or that the suffering of unhatched birds is somehow greater than the suffering of unborn humans?

Just wondering.

You see, I see this all the time from liberals. Liberalism is often (not always) based on emotion and not logic, and when you look at the various liberal stances together, you begin to see inconsistancies in the logic. THIS is a major one, and one that I knew you subscribed to from various posts that I've seen from you. Your call for a President who will take stronger environmental stances, combined with your disdain for the pro-lifers on the Christianity board made that clear enough.

So please. Explain how you justify these two positions.

Elliot

Clarification/Follow-up by XCHOUX on 04/27/04 10:35 am:
HI Elliot:

I guess you have missed the posts where I declare that I am Pro Life!! I have been Pro-Life since my days studying Buddhism.

I am against capital punishment and abortion.

I am against destroying the environment and the animals and plants of the glorious Creation.

You make a mistake in stereotyping me as your demonized "Liberal".

I am an individual.

No hard feelings, Chou

Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 04/27/04 12:41 pm:
Then what was your issue with ROLCAM's post?

Elliot

Clarification/Follow-up by XCHOUX on 04/27/04 1:48 pm:
HI Elliot: I only read the first sentence or two and reconized that it was purple prose geared to the sob-sister mentality so many fundamentalilst Christian women seem to love over real discussion. That kind of drek disgusts me. I didn't even know it was about abortion; but nevertheless, I would have given the same answer. I don't like it that women are encouraged to be stupid; it wasn't like that when I was young.

Regards, Chou

Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 04/27/04 2:53 pm:
Do you usually respond to posts without reading them?

Perhaps that is why you have had the knee-jerk reaction of calling people "liars" for stating purely factual information. If you read the posts first, you might avoid that error in the future.

Elliot

Clarification/Follow-up by XCHOUX on 04/27/04 4:30 pm:
Don't you think it was pretty obvious what "writing style" the author was using from the get-go? I'm not interested in reading drek.

Plus, I think your definition of "factual information", if I were to ask you, includes lots of flights of fancy such as that there is really a GodAlmighty. It is obvious that there is not!

Hey, have a great day.
Cordially, Chou

Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 04/27/04 5:32 pm:
>>>It is obvious that there is not! <<<

It is actually quite obvious that there is.

Nothing come from nowhere. If a chair exists, then someone must have created it. If a telephone exists, it does not exist because of a random forming of subatomic particles into a telephone... someone manufactured it.

So if everything exists because someone created it, logic dictates that the universe exists because someone created it.

Which of course means G-d.

Now... is G-d here today or not?

I have certainly seen enough miracles to not doubt it. Miracles are events that occur that cannot be explained through logic or science, except through outside intervention by a higher power. As I have mentioned before, the fact that my own people, the Jews, exist after 2 millenia of non-stop oppression, progrom, and genocide is nothing less than a miracle. By any logic or science imaginable, we should no longer exist, just as the Roman Empire, Greek Empire, Babylonian Empire, Ottoman Empire, the Third Reich, and every other groups that has tried to wipe us out no longer exist. That we do still exist and have neither been destroyed nor assimilatted into any other culture cannot be explained by normal means or logic or science. SOMEONE OR SOMETHING greater than man can understand has caused us to survive and thrive. Therefore, our existance is a miracle.

Miracles infer G-d. Jewish existance infers miracles. Therefore, if miracles exist, G-d exists. Therefore, the fact that the Jews exist infers that G-d exists.

You may choose to put up blinders to ignore this conclusion, but don't ever think that you are the onw who is 'open minded' if you refuse to even examine the evidence right in front of your face...

...me, sitting here typing this message to you.

Elliot

Clarification/Follow-up by XCHOUX on 04/28/04 10:51 am:
As I said, NOT GODALMIGHTY.

No reason for you to answer because you cannot prove to me that there is a GodAlmighty of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims, nor can you get me interested in even re-considering the subject.

We part of friendly terms.

Love Life!
Chou

Clarification/Follow-up by ETWolverine on 04/28/04 11:13 am:
So you believe that there is a G-d, just not a "GodAlmighty".

What the HECK does that mean?

What it seem to mean to me is that you believe in G-d, you just don't like OUR description of him.

Guess what: it doesn't make a difference how you feel like describing him... we believe in essentially the same thing, whether you wish to admitt it or not. You believe in a higher power that created the world. So do we. You believe that miraculous occurances happen. So do we. You don't like calling him "G-dAlmighty". So what? Call him the Great Bird of the Galaxy for all I care... it doesn't change the essence of what you believe in: G-d.

A rose by any other name...

Elliot

Clarification/Follow-up by XCHOUX on 04/28/04 11:20 am:
Let it go Elliot, I don't believe in GodAlmighty(evil in my opinion), have no idea how to describe whatever may have created the Universe. Just another mystery.

Apparently, you can't live with the idea of a mystery. That's it.

Really, have a nice day, Good bye.