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Peirce on Descartes Jon1667 04/16/03
    C.S. Peirce, probably the greatest of American philosophers, wrote the following about Descartes' famous skepticism and method of doubt:

    "We cannot begin with complete doubt. We must begin with all the prejudices which we actually have when we enter upon the study of philosophyÖ.[Descartes'] initial scepticism will be a mere self-deception, and not real doubt; and no one who follows the Cartesian method will ever be satisfied until he has formally recovered all those beliefs which in form he has given upÖ.Let us not pretend to doubt in philosophy what we do not doubt in our hearts."

    And about Descartes' view of certainty that " The test of certainty (if it is to be found at all) is to be found in the individual consciousness" Peirce writes,

    "To make single individuals absolute judges of truth is most pernicious. We individually cannot reasonably hope to attain the ultimate philosophy which we pursue; we can only seek it, therefore, for the community of philosophers. Hence, if disciplined and candid minds carefully examine a theory and refuse to accept it, this ought to create doubts in the mind of the author of the theory himself"

    Any comments?

      Clarification/Follow-up by Jon1667 on 04/16/03 1:56 pm:
      Knowledge, Peirce believes, is a community affair. It is true that a single individual may happen on a truth, but that would not be knowledge unless it was justified, and justification is not an individual matter.

      Clarification/Follow-up by Jon1667 on 04/16/03 5:09 pm:
      Just how do you reason about metaphysics or anything else without language? Whistle?

      Clarification/Follow-up by Dark_Crow on 04/16/03 5:49 pm:
      It seems you are right when you say whistle; we “learn” to associate sounds and symbols with abstract ideas in the mind, and then to communicate these abstract ideas with other minds using sounds and symbols; we also have the ability to create new words, languages, concepts, and innovations. These two distinct combinations create human imagination, the undisputed power behind all human endeavors. It created the mind of mankind. It made the amazing human adventure possible. The mystical, the mystery of life, the imagination.



      Clarification/Follow-up by Jon1667 on 04/16/03 8:02 pm:
      Babthrower:
      I sympathize with what you say. Descartes writes that he actually believes what he writes he doubts. It is better, I think, to understand Descartes as saying that it is _possible_ to doubt that, for instance, there are material objects, or that there is a God. In fact, in the latter part of the "Meditations" he tries to show that it merely appears possible to doubt these things, but, in fact, it isn't.
      That is why Descartes describes his doubt as "metaphysical" or "philosphical" or "hyperbolic" doubt, which is compatible with believing what you (metaphysically) doubt.

      Pierce, like Pragmatists after him, is a behaviorist about mental states. He thinks that the "cash value" (William James' term) of believing lies in how the (alleged) doubter behaves. A person who lays a book on a table cannot be doubting that either the book or the table exist.

 
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