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paraclete asked on 03/14/09 - where is climate change mentioned in the Bible?

I find this an interesting question, not because it isn't directly mentioned but because one would expect that if it is to feature prominently in the last days, then like earthquakes and other catastrophies of these times so clearly mentioned, we would expect it to get a more direct mention.

It begs the question; are we being decieved?

For example; will climate change bring about the new Earth?

tropicalstorm answered on 07/11/09:

the fact is the climate is changing but it is not global warming. I have worn a jacket much of this summer and it is COLDER than ever for July.

The Bible does say that there will be signs in nature for the last days....earthquakes in diverse places.


Also this is very interesting.
STONY is into Perry Stone.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=perry+stone+cosmic+signs+&search_type=&aq=f



http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=perry+stone+apocolyptic+shaking+&search_type=&aq=f

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STONY asked on 06/05/09 - SEEMS LIKE THIS IS GETTING DESERTED AGAIN.

JUST CAME BY TO CHECK ON YA'LL.

tropicalstorm answered on 07/11/09:

I check in every so many years

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Hwood asked on 07/10/09 - Mark of the beast.

Rev.13-16. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

My question is this, what if the mark is entered into one's hand, or forehead, while they are uncounscious. Are they still guilty of receiving the mark?

tropicalstorm answered on 07/11/09:

I too believe that the RFID chip is the mark of the beast.

I do not think that they will make you get the mark. They will have camps to retrain your thinking first. The Bible says that God will put a seal on His people during that time so that no harm can come to them.
I am sure that means so they don't end up with the chip.

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK2g0TGaAZA&feature=related

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Ch.Petrus.82 asked on 07/22/08 - Message from ATON/DOMINO

My old buddy is doing just fine and he asked me to pass on this message

"Let my friends know I miss them, and my enemies can kiss my butt."

IMO, he is needed on this board, what do you think?

Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 07/23/08:

He made the board not bored!
I can't stir the gumbo as well without him :(

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frick asked on 06/20/08 - Who is an American?

Suggested by Toms 777 claiming anyone living between northern Canada and the southern part of Chile is an "American" because the two continents are named North and South America.

Not so.

US citizens are called Americans because that is a shortened form of the name of their country - the United States of AMERICA. Not because they live in a certain continent.

This tradition has been so for centuries. What is so offensive about it?

Calling a person from Paraguay or Canada or Guyana an American would only serve to confuse.

"American" refers to a person from the United States. If Toms777 is ashamed of being a "Canadian" and wishes to be called "American", let him start a movement for his country to be annexed by the United States, then we can all happily call ex-Canadians Americans.

tropicalstorm answered on 07/20/08:

what does it matter within 10 years we are all going to be united into one country like the EU
anyway. Shortly after the Freedom hiway is completed they will start pushing for Mexico, the USA and Canada to be one nation.

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JesseJamesDupree asked on 06/23/08 - Dont ya think???????????????????????????????????????????

It's kind of funny that Aton and Freethinker John disappeared at exactly the same time??? Not a whisper from them at any of their former forums. Methinks Aton is pushin' up daisy's and Freethinker John was an alias of Aton. Thus his disappearance too. Not exactly a "Columbo" episode, just a passing thought!!:);)

tropicalstorm answered on 07/20/08:

Nah I don't believe Aton and Freethinker are the same. Aton far more intelligent!!!!!
'Freethinker' is Credendovidis on askmehelpdesk.com

Check these out you WILL LOVE it!!!

http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religious-discussions/religion-governments-control-over-people-232254-3.html?highlight=choux

http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religious-discussions/evolution-origin-universe-religion-236939.html

Com'on over!!!

N0help4u



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JesseJamesDupree asked on 06/27/08 - Signs of the times???

When we see all this bad news throughout the world, ie earthquakes, floods, war, the price of oil going through the roof, sabre rattling by Israel and Iran, do you think that the Bible spoke of all these things? and isn't it amazing that these things are playing out just as Scripture said they would???

tropicalstorm answered on 07/20/08:

Yep and I have been telling people for years
years before things even happened and now that they have happened people still insist it is normal. Nothing new. Yet it all lines up with
the Bible just as it says.
Nobody believed me about 9/11
Nobody believed me about the RFID
back when it was never heard of
Nobody believed any of what I have been saying.
When the anti christ is ON TV people will STILL be denying it.

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belle33 asked on 07/01/08 - concerning Aton

Why do you all rejoice so in Aton 's disbarrment. The only reason is because you feared his "belittlement" of you as you saw it. YOu gave him the power to make you feel that way. Your reactions to his words were not what a Christian'should have been. If you have faith inyour Faith, why get so upset over what he "said." JJ Dupree's silly childish spamming ws far more offenisve that words. If you all have faith in what u beieve no words can touch you. When he said"your violent desert god" , allyou had to say was "thats what e believe." No cheek turning for you all.

tropicalstorm answered on 07/20/08:

He sure did liven the place up!!!

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JesseJamesDupree asked on 04/04/08 - Can a person be too religious???

At my church, there are a couple of women who seem to try and run the whole church. Everything from policies to music and everything in between. They are nice enough but come off as very tight and stodgy acting. Basically they throw a wet blanket of legalism over the entire church. We have a young church that is experiencing growth and I'm afraid these 2, actually 3 Beth Moore wannabes are going to run the younger crowd off. To top it all off are preacher is leaving at the end of April, and I wonder if these women had anything to do with it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.:)

tropicalstorm answered on 06/18/08:

They are playing church
I used to call it playing the Holy Spirit because they want things conducted according to THEIR standards like they think they have the hot line to what God wants when actually they tend more to sabotage what God really wants to accomplish.



This is a more extreme case here but basically same difference. http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christianity/born-again-227364.html?highlight=born+again

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JesseJamesDupree asked on 02/07/08 - 30 days in the hole!!!!!!!!...........

But a "Kinder gentler outlaw" has emerged. :);)

tropicalstorm answered on 06/17/08:

must be so!!
I ain't no longer blocked! :D
Now Y did you do the time when I know ya couldna
dun tha crime!?

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JesseJamesDupree asked on 04/24/08 - What to do??

I am a Bluegrass Gospel Musician, I play guitar mandolin, bass, and sing. My best friend was one also. Unfortuantely his wife decided she wanted to be in the band, along with a cast of thousands so to speak. Guess what? Our Bluegrass Band became a "Contemporary Christian Band". We became "Electrified" and "Loud". But the music has no vibe to it, and basically I have to sing lead because the rest of them can't. I voiced my opinion that this music is not my style, but they keep badgering me because I have become the "Singer" and they need me. AHHHHHHH! the question please! Do you all think God will be mad at me, if I tell them to find another singer?? The fish are biting down at the river and that seems alot more fun than doing something I detest. Will I lose my friend? My Salvation? My inner sense of peace??? What would the experts here do??:)

tropicalstorm answered on 06/17/08:

gee of all the people to find on this site and I ain't even blocked!!! :D
Nah, if anything, God might git mad at dem for not havin' the vibe!

My suggestion is Y don't you join the Jesse James Dupree Jackyl band???

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Bobbye asked on 06/13/08 - GOSPEL MUSIC: Dottie Rambo

Other and Maggie and me, did any of you follow the illustrious career of songwriter/poet/musician Dottie Rambo, who was killed in a tour-bus accident several weeks ago?

Dottie wrote over 2500 Gospel songs,the most famous of which was "We Shall Behold Him," sung by Sandi Patti. Unexcelled in Gospel music!

If you enjoyed her talent, what was your favorite of her "classics?"

Thanks.
Bobbye

tropicalstorm answered on 06/16/08:

That is really sad to hear. I admired her a lot.
I listened to her daughter Reba more than her though. I have been trying to find music by Reba but haven't been able to find any.

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belle33 asked on 06/16/08 - HI to all

Are domino and Tropical storm still on here?

tropicalstorm answered on 06/16/08:

I check in on rare occasion but find it boring with the only topics being anti mormon and anti this and anti that. I have more fun on the other site that a lot of others have gone to.

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peddler2 asked on 12/26/07 - The Global Flood -Part 1

This is the beginning of a series of articles explaining the evidences from geology for the Genesis Flood. Each article will discuss one evidence. This first article simply overviews all the evidences discussed in upcoming issues.

Have you ever been tongue-tied when asked to provide geologic evidence that the Genesis Flood really did occur, just as the Bible describes? Then what follows is for you.

This article provides an overview of six geologic evidences for the Genesis Flood, and in a series of six articles to follow, each geologic evidence will be elaborated upon. Together, they will provide you with ammunition and a teaching tool for you and others.

Why is it that many people, including many Christians, can’t see the geologic evidence for the Genesis Flood? It is usually because they have bought into the evolutionary idea that “the present is the key to the past.” They are convinced that, because today’s geological processes are so slow, the rock strata and the earth’s rock layers took millions of years to form.

Why is it that many people can’t see the geologic evidence for the Genesis Flood? Because many have bought into the evolutionary idea that “the present is the key to the past.”However, if the Genesis Flood really occurred, what evidence would we look for? We read in Genesis 7 and 8 that “the fountains of the great deep” were broken up and poured out water from inside the earth for 150 days (5 months). Plus it rained torrentially and globally for 40 days and nights (“the floodgates [or windows of heaven] were opened”). No wonder all the high hills and the mountains were covered, meaning the earth was covered by a global ocean (“the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished,” 2 Peter 3:6). All air-breathing life on the land was swept away and perished.

So what evidence would we look for? Wouldn’t we expect to find billions of dead plants and animals buried and fossilized in sand, mud, and lime that were deposited rapidly by water in rock layers all over the earth? Of course! That’s exactly what we find. Indeed, based on the description of the Flood in Genesis 7–8, there are six main geologic evidences that testify to the Genesis Flood.*

Six Evidences for the Genesis Flood
Evidence #1—Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents.
We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.

Evidence #2—Rapid burial of plants and animals.
We find extensive fossil “graveyards” and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.

Evidence #3—Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas.
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.

Evidence #4—Sediment transported long distances.
We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water. For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada. Furthermore, water current indicators (such as ripple marks) preserved in rock layers show that for “300 million years” water currents were consistently flowing from northeast to southwest across all of North and South America, which, of course, is only possible over weeks during a global flood.

Evidence #5—Rapid or no erosion between strata.
We find evidence of rapid erosion, or even of no erosion, between rock layers. Flat, knife-edge boundaries between rock layers indicate continuous deposition of one layer after another, with no time for erosion. For example, there is no evidence of any “missing” millions of years (of erosion) in the flat boundary between two well-known layers of Grand Canyon—the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Formation. Another impressive example of flat boundaries at Grand Canyon is the Redwall Limestone and the strata beneath it.

Evidence #6—Many strata laid down in rapid succession.
Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone in Grand Canyon is folded at a right angle (90°) without evidence of breaking. Yet this folding could only have occurred after the rest of the layers had been deposited, supposedly over “480 million years,” while the Tapeats Sandstone remained wet and pliable.

Conclusion
Jesus Christ our Creator (John 1:1–3; Colossians 1:16–17), who is the Truth and would never tell us a lie, said that during the “days of Noah” (Matthew 24:37; Luke 17:26–27) “Noah entered the Ark” and “the Flood came and took them all away” (Matthew 24:38–39). He spoke of these events as real, literal history, describing a global Flood that destroyed all land life not on the Ark.

Therefore, we must believe what Christ told us, rather than the ideas of fallible scientists who weren’t there to see what happened in the earth’s past. Thus we shouldn’t be surprised when the geologic evidence in God’s world (rightly understood by asking the right questions) agrees exactly with God’s Word, affirmed by Jesus Christ.

The next article in this geology series will look in detail at the geologic evidence that the ocean waters flooded over the continents, just as described in Genesis 7–8.

* I want to acknowledge that these geologic evidences have been elaborated on by my colleague Dr. Steve Austin at the Institute for Creation Research in his book Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe, pages 51–52 (Institute for Creation Research, Santee, California, 1994).

tropicalstorm answered on 12/29/07:

I don't know any Christians that deny the flood.

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arcura asked on 12/28/07 - Should I do this???????????????????????????????????

I am seriously considering blocking peddler and Tom Smith because of their continuing false accusations, twisting of what I say, and their many lies about me and others here.
If they continue to do that I think I will block them and urge everyone else to do the same.
It appears to be the only way we can stop their many abuses of us all.
Do you think that we should block them?
If not, why not?
If so, why so?

tropicalstorm answered on 12/29/07:

don't waste your time or breath come on over to askmehelpdesk where there is more intelligent life form.

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peddler2 asked on 11/24/07 - Fred-Is Liz as Good a Christian as Ronnie?

I have said repeatedly that Liz was no Christian and now she admits it. Does that make you feel stupid? It should.
However I will bet the ranch that you will continue to call her a Christian anyway. You would call Domino a Christian if it helped your argument against me.

Clarification/Follow-up by Liz22 on 11/24/07 10:01 am:
You better wake up peddler before the year 2008, your eyes are blinded of knowing the real truth, and the lies that Christianity has spread through out the world.
You are responsible for making people of all kinds turn away from the True God


The Christians she was refering to were the Roman Catholics as the post she was refering to was copied word for word from http://www.catholic.com/library/Hell_There_Is.asp

Here is where you have to choose to follow God or lie like a dog.

Is Liz a Christian or no?

tropicalstorm answered on 12/18/07:

I don't bother with what I believe here because for one most people don't care and I don't see the point in wasting my breath when they have even said in so many words don't cast your pearls --because that is what it is here.

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peddler2 asked on 11/24/07 - sorry about the multiple post

Laptop is a pain

tropicalstorm answered on 11/25/07:

OH :D what sacrifice it must be typing with sticking keys to spread your love to the unappreciative :D

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Tempus-Omnia-Revelat asked on 11/25/07 - Pleasure, Jacky JesseJamesDupree ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

 
 
Topic : "Thanks Pericles" by JesseJamesDupree dated 11/25/07
 
Pleasure, Jacky JesseJamesDupree
 
What a pity that you blocked me, otherwise I could have replied to your topic directly!
 
And I needed (to say) that too! No need to let you feel guilty about that any longer.
 
As long as you keep to your promise no longer to abuse and harass people ....
 
 
Any comments?
 
 
 

tropicalstorm answered on 11/25/07:

How touching!

PH you are right unconditional....hmmm what is the psychology word for that???? I believe it is a form of passive aggressive....BUT what is the word for it????

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domino asked on 10/23/07 - Where do they come from???

Where do fools, like the anti-Mormon bigot "server" come from????? And what is her/his/it's purpose on this board. Certainly NOT to answer questions, since, in the three months she/he/it has signed on, she/he/it has racked up 79 UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, HAS REFUSED TO ANSWER 880 public questions, and in three months has given ONLY TWO ANSWERS....And since she/he/it has not had the guts to sign up as an EXPERT in ANY category, I have to ask which of our resident bigots is using 'server' as an alias to spew Anti-Mormon venom with hoped-for impunity?????????

tropicalstorm answered on 10/23/07:

WHY did your movie have to be independent?
Now I have to relearn something I haven't kept up with in the past 30+ years! I haven't known where the independent theaters in Pittsburgh are since the 70's.
I guess I may be smarter than Toms I knew Spielberg is a producer not an actor and
I am not one to keep up with movies.
The last 'new' actress I remember is Ellen Hunt LOL.

I still think server might be maddawg????

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revdauphinee asked on 10/23/07 - fyi
i posted my last posting here also on an international network i would like you to read

Response:from a girl who lives under shiria law !
realy?well i grew up in the muslim town,since my country we have a number of muslim.my father work thier so we have to saty thier and i grew up thier. i think what i see is they are nice peole but the teaching that put in thier mind is horrified me.what can you do that teaching ingrave to thier mind by cencuries. its a different teaching by different preatcher.some teach good some teach verry bad.and most of the people thier they dont educate thier self, they have follow the leader step. and the leader corrupted thier minds,. by this teaching that christian are the enemy and if you are not muslim you will never see the paradise. and if you kill the enemy all of your family will be in paradise,by your sucrifising killing the enemy witch christian.you will see paradise and marry 72 virgin..well thats what i heard thier.and some of my friend thier told me that. we decide toeave the town.but i never forget the horror ive seen thier. people killing people..its a wrong teaching lead the people in the wrong way.

tropicalstorm answered on 10/23/07:

come on over to askmehelpdesk the people aren't so vicious over there....even the ones from here :)

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Toms777 asked on 10/17/07 - Brigham Young: Penalty for Racial Intermarriage

Reposted due to the manipulation of the board by spammer John:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so."
(Source: Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 10:110)

tropicalstorm answered on 10/18/07:

Wonder what his thoughts would be on Moses going down to Egypt to get his wife or however that went!

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Ch.Pétrus.82 asked on 10/17/07 - ladybugca is a fraud.

She has no control over this board.

She can prove she is genuine by having me removed in the next 24 hours.

Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 10/17/07:

If you get banned from here try us over at
askmehelpdesk.com It certainly ain't as dead over there and even if you don't get banned here come on over anyway.

I am --Nohelp4u

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domino asked on 10/16/07 - Another quandry!!

Am I the only one who finds it strange that the user known as 'ladybugca' who, according to the postings on the expert forum, went in to surgery for cervical cancer at the end of July, should be so recovered as to waste what is left of what must be her valuable time posting silly threats against an Atheist user on this board...while ignoring the filth that continues to pour out of a self-proclaimed 'born again' christian????

And since the alleged "vijay" claims also to have been undergoing 'medical problems', does it not seem strange that, after more than a year of 'silence' he is NOW taking a re-interest in answerway?????

Two ill people who have nothing better to do with their time than try to monitor a dying board?????

What is REALLY going on????

tropicalstorm answered on 10/17/07:

Try askmehelpdesk.com it ain't all that dead over there and I am Nohelp4u on there!!!

C U over there (hopefully)
and C U at the movie when it comes out
I will be the first in line at the
Dependable Drive In or Twin Hiway Drive In!!!

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holly23 asked on 10/17/07 - fighting in heaven


What is this about "our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms" Will there be a war betwn good and evil in heaven?

Ephesians 6:10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

what does it mean?

tropicalstorm answered on 10/17/07:

That is simply talking about how your flesh fights to sin and your spirit fights to live a godly life.
The war in heaven is something totally different and in Revelations

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Bobbye asked on 10/13/07 - TOMS, DO YOU THINK JOEL OSTEEN IS SAVED?

He preaches a strange doctrine (if we can call it "doctrine" in the slightest sense of the word).

You stated/implied in your rating of my response to Peddler that Ronnie is not saved, "...I hope one day he will be saved...."

Tom, that is between Him and God! Leave it there, please.

Let's get on with helping each other get to the next level in the Kingdom.

Bobbye

tropicalstorm answered on 10/13/07:

The whole problem with Joel (and I love the guy dearly) is that he is more of a motivational speaker than preaching the Bible. The Bible says that in the last days people will want to hear what makes them feel good rather than the word of God and they will be lead astray not hearing the truth.

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Toms777 asked on 09/15/07 - Is Adam actually Michael the Archangel?

Ronnie claims so - we are still waiting for any scriptural basis for this heresy though.

Perhaps he will start denying this now like he did the Mormon teaching that Adam is God (which makes Michael out to be God).

Perhaps Ronnie's cat told him this also ;-)

tropicalstorm answered on 09/15/07:

From what I understand I think it is in Philipians it says in so many words that Jesus was higher than any (all) angels...........
in the sense he was not an angel in any way.

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STONY asked on 09/04/07 - NOW THIS MADE ME LAUGH OUT LOUD...


HEY GUYS BETTER BE CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING THE 'hONEY'
ANGRY.

ANGER MANAGEMENT
>
> Husband: "When I get mad at you, you never fight
> back. How do you control your anger?"
>
> Wife: "Easy, I just clean the toilet .."
>
> Husband: "How does that help?"
>
> Wife: "Simple, I use your toothbrush."
>

tropicalstorm answered on 09/04/07:

wonder if she kisses him????????

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STONY asked on 09/03/07 - A WORD TO THE WISE.......

WHOEVER ANGERS YOU CONTROLS YOU. "REMEMBER", THIS IS WHERE FORGIVENESS COMES IN. LET THAT SOAK IN AND THEN TAKE IT AND RUN WITH IT.

tropicalstorm answered on 09/04/07:

Thats basically what I tell people all the time. I know so many people that lose their temper at others all the time and I tell them you are all angrily raging and wanting to go break stuff and beat them up and they aren't thinking a thing about you. They are going about their business and they will go have a good night sleep and even laughing that they have you all upset. Then you go do something stupid over it and get arrested and they have the last laugh.....so what is the point in letting them get the better of you!?

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peddler2 asked on 09/02/07 - Today’s Bible Lesson James Chapter 2

Part of the definition of a cult is an organization, usually tremendously wealthy and powerful, that takes selected Bible versus out of context and builds a doctrine on them that requires said organization for peace, prosperity, and salvation.
Many pagan cults use the words in James chapter 2 to deny the atoning blood of Jesus Christ as the gift of salvation and replace it with grace +works+ the sacraments, + tithing + Charity + living a good life + church attendance +_ the blessing of the priest etc. In other words you actually deserve and earn your salvation by doing what the cult tells you to do. They do this in great part by quoting James out of context and ignoring all the versus that contradict that conclusion.

Read the following versus.

Jam 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jam 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

What James is saying in verse 14-15 is how we need to treat people, how to witness to people, not how to go to heaven ourselves.
Jam 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jam 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,


Food cannot save your mortal soul so it is obvious what James is talking about is you must have compassion on your brothers physical needs before he will listen to your message of salvation. Why should he/she believe you are concerned about their mortal soul if you leave them naked and starving?

Read 16 -17 again:


Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

What James is teaching us is how to treat unsaved people Again food and clothing do not save mortal souls. The demonstration of your faith through the physical gifts freely given out of the love of Christ that dwells within can be a witness to the unsaved that will lead them to the saving grace of Christ Jesus.
James is also telling us to treat people that show no outward appearance of being saved as lost. In case they are actually lost it may lead them to salvation and if they are it may convict them to do something for God.
Many here mock me for being a Fundamental Baptist . Fundamental Baptist go out on Saturday and build their bus route and lead people to Christ. That is not much considering what Christ did for us but it is what pleases Him most.

The cults who misrepresent James teaching to promote the ancient pagan, Stoic. belief in salvation by works seem to forget this verse:

Jam 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

We are saved by grace and by grace alone and James taught that as is evident in 5:20

Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (James 2:10)

C. S. Lewis said, "…the Christian is in a different position from other people who are trying to be good. They hope, by being good, to please God if there is one; or … at least they hope to deserve the approval from good men. But the Christian thinks any good he does comes from the Christ-life inside him. He does not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us; just as the roof of a greenhouse does not attract the sun because it is bright, but becomes bright because the sun shines on it." (Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis, Macmillan Publishing Company, 1943, book II, chapter 5) In this regard Christianity differs from the other formal religions (those based on a documented systematic theology).
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Faith is more than academic belief. It is a transforming commitment that always results in repentance and good works. But good works for the wrong reason are of no eternal value.

In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. (James 2:17)





tropicalstorm answered on 09/02/07:

That is basically why I don't go to dead stagnet (stoic churches and try feeding the homeless.....the conservatives scream bloody murder that you are being an enabler!

I like the balance although it can be hard to find at times!

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arcura asked on 09/02/07 - Is there anyone here who seeks the place of honor?

Liturgical day: Sunday 22th (C) in Ordinary Time

Today's Gospel (Lk 14:1.7-14): One Sabbath Jesus had gone to eat a meal in the house of a leading Pharisee, and He was carefully watched. Jesus then told a parable to the guests, for He had noticed how they tried to take the places of honor. And He said, «When you are invited to a wedding party, do not choose the best seat. It may happen that someone more important than you has been invited, and your host, who invited both of you, will come and say to you: ‘Please give this person your place’. What shame is yours when you take the lowest seat! Whenever you are invited, go rather to the lowest seat, so that your host may come and say to you: ‘Friend, you must come up higher’. And this will be a great honor for you in the presence of all the other guests. For whoever makes himself out to be great will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be raised».

Jesus also addressed the man who had invited him and said, «When you give a lunch or a dinner, don't invite your friends, or your brothers and relatives and wealthy neighbors. For surely they will also invite you in return and you will be repaid. When you give a feast, invite instead the poor, the crippled, the lame and the blind. Fortunate are you then, because they can't repay you; you will be repaid at the Resurrection of the upright».

Commentary: Fr. Enric Prat i Jordana (Sort-Lleida, Catalonia)

«He had noticed how they tried to take the places of honor»

Today, Jesus teaches us a masterly lesson: do not choose the best seat: «When you are invited to a wedding party, do not choose the best seat» (Lk 14:8). Jesus knows we like to look for the best places: in official acts, informal gatherings, at home, at the table. He knows our trend to overrate ourselves out of vanity, or worse still, out of a poorly hidden pride. So let us therefore be careful with honors, for «the heart remains chained where it finds the possibility of delight» (St. Leo the Great).

Haven't we ever been told that there were no colleagues with more merit or better personal values than us? It is not, therefore, a question of a sporadic feat, but of an assumed attitude of considering ourselves the smarter, the most important, the most deserving, the always rightful ones; an aspiration supposing a narrow vision of ourselves and of those around us. In fact, Jesus invites us to practice the perfect humility, consisting in not judging ourselves or the others, and to be conscious of our individual insignificance, in the global cosmic and of life concert.

Thus, Jesus, proposes us, by precaution, to always choose the lowest seat, because, while we may not know the intimate reality of the others, we are fully aware that in the great show of the Universe we are totally irrelevant. Therefore, to place us in the last position is to be on the safe side. Lest the Lord, that knows us well intimately, did not have to tell us: «‘Please give this person your place’. What shame is yours when you take the lowest seat!» (Lk 14:9).

In the same line of thought, the Master invites us to place ourselves with humility beside those chosen by God: the poor, the crippled, the lame and the blind, and to be at the same level than them to find ourselves amidst those God loves with special tenderness, and to overcome the repugnance and shame to share with them table and friendship.

tropicalstorm answered on 09/02/07:

Jam 2:1

My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism.
Jam 2:2

Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in.
Jam 2:3

If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here's a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,”
Jam 2:4

have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
Jam 2:5

Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?
Jam 2:6

But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court?
Jam 2:7

Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?
Jam 2:8

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[fn1] you are doing right.
Jam 2:9

But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

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PrinceHassim asked on 09/01/07 - Peddliar and Tom - especially for you .................................




Peddliar,

I said (LEARN TO READ!) the Mormon Church - that is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - has never taught that Jesus was either married or not married.

The scriptures are silent on that count.

I am aware that there have been Latter-day Saints who have believed that Jesus was married, but anyone can hold an opinion without all of Mormondom being swept along by speculative notions and them becoming thereby LDS Church doctrine.

This distinction is probably too subtle for your lax mind to absorb, so you will bang the old drum as if you have made a significant discovery. You have not! You merely confirm your inability to think outside the Blithering Baptists' Bigot's Box of nonsense. Tough on you, but of no consequence whatsoever to any Latter-day Saint, nor to God or to God's Son Jesus.

Mormons know that Jesus IS the Christ. You and your l;ittle cult or coven say he WAS the Christ, meaning that he is no longer the Christ, but that is insane, just like everything else you believe in in your little cult.

Like all children shouting in the schoolyard, you frame your arguments from unsound premises, and care nothing for the truth or accuracy of your statements. You are as stupid as Tom, and that is saying something!

Repeating a lie a million times does nothing to move it towards truth. that is something your masters, Lucifer and Lying Tom, have yet to learn. You would do well to take that lesson into what you choose to call your mind.

Other Christians besides the odd Mormon have held Jesus to have been married. I post a selection of their views, none of which are Mormon. These extracts will help you to understand what the rest of Christianity of doing whilst you are shooting Mormons out of hatred and ignorance.

In all your researches I am surprised that you have not come across an article that I penned on this very subject ten or so years ago. Try looking harder.



http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bl_davinci2.htm

Whether Jesus was married or not was simply not an issue for the early Church, who simply accepted that Jesus was a married man, but offered little comment. It wasn't until the second century that the idea of marriage came into conflict with developing ideas about Jesus as a divine being. Later, ideas about the impurity of sexual behavior would make a married Jesus intolerable. So distasteful was the idea that even Jesus' mother was declared to have been a virgin her entire life.

Many early Christians believed the Old Testament Song of Solomon was prophetic of a marriage between Jesus and Mary magdalen. Two Christian authors, Hippolytus of Rome and Origen of Alexandria, subscribed to this belief.*

Unmarried Men in Judaism

One of the strongest arguments in favor of a married Jesus is that a Jewish bachelor in the first century would have been unheard of- a curse. Marriage and children were a cornerstone of Jewish theology and an unmarried man would have ordinarily have been the subject of much comment. However, there was a precedent for celibate Jewish men in the Essene community, as you will read below.

The Gospels
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John Rebukes Jesus
Rabbi Jesus
The New Testament gospels are the closest thing there is to a historical record when it comes to the life of Jesus. Unfortunately, they make no mention of Jesus' marital status, and give few clues one way or the other. This does not necessarily mean that there was no wife, as the gospels are also silent on much of Jesus' life before the beginning his ministry.

Some take the silence of the gospels as evidence in favor of marriage, as an unmarried Jewish man would have been enough of a rarity at the time that it would almost certainly have been commented on.. Many assume Mary Magdalene to be that wife, as she is the only candidate mentioned in narratives about the crucifixion, and because she apparently fulfils the role of spouse in many symbolic moments in the gospels, such as the annointing of Christ with funeral unguents carried out before the crucifixion.**

On the other hand, Jesus appears to be referring to his own celibacy when he comments in the book of Mathew on "eunuchs for the Kingdom", a comment later picked up by Paul in his own arguments in favor of celibacy. In the end, there's a chicken-or-the-egg effect- did a celibate Jesus lead to a celibate priesthood, or were scriptures interpreted in accordance with Paul's teaching on celibacy?

Another note of interest is an accusation against Jesus in the scriptures of the Mandeans, namely, that he caused Jews to stop having children, an affront to Jewish doctrine:

"Thou hast lied to the Jews and deceived the priests. Thou hast cut off their seed from the men and from the women bearing and being pregnant. The Sabbath, which Moses made binding, hast thou relaxed in Jerusalem. Thou hast lied unto them with horns and spread abroad disgrace with the shofar."

Jesus the Rebel?
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Roman Crucifixion and Jewish Burial
Messiah

According to the Da Vinci Code, the marriage of Jesus and Mary is a dynastic marriage, intended to bring together two royal lines. Many authors suggest that Jesus was not out to found a religion, but claimed to be the Jewish messiah- a seditious rebel who was crucified not for spiritual claims, but for threatening to overthrow Roman rule in Palestine. Scripture makes much mention of Jesus' royal lineage, and his fulfilment of messianic prophecies- but the messiah expected by the Jews was not a god, but a warrior-prophet who would defeat the gentiles and restore the throne of David and the ascendency of his people.

Crucifixion
It is often pointed out in dynastic arguments that if Jesus was executed for blasphemy, as claimed by the gospels, the punishment would be stoning administered by the Hebrew community, and not crucifixion, the Romans preferred punishment for insurrection. A trial before the ruling Romans would have been unusual, as a blasphemy against the Hebrew god would not have likely concerned them, and it was customary at the time to defer such issues to the Sanhedrin, the ruling body of the Jews.

This is not too far fetched, as Jesus makes many messianic claims at a time when the expected Messiah was not a god, but a man of the royal House of David- and the authors of the canonical scriptures take great pains to connect Jesus to David through both his mother and his 'stepfather' Joseph. Jesus is also presented in scriptural stories as quite conscious of fulfilling messianic prophecies, and surrounds himself with members of the Zealot party, rebels who opposed the Roman occupation.

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http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23246

[Baptist Press]

So what is the evidence for a single Jesus? Ancient documents make no specific statement that Jesus was single.

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http://www.christian-thinktank.com/singlejesus.html

It would have been 'normal' for him to have been married

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http://www.namb.net/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=9qKILUOzEpH&b=227361&ct=2457909

So what is the evidence for a single Jesus? Ancient documents make no specific statement that Jesus was single. Is what is written about Jesus more consistent with a married or single Jesus?

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http://www.angelfire.com/or2/thelordisnear/jcmarry.html

Did Jesus marry?
"The important thing is to not stop questioning" -Albert Einstein

The book and movie, "The DaVinci Code" claim that Jesus Christ married and fathered at least one child. Although the book is fictional, it raises a good question:

Was Jesus married?

Traditional Christians -- Catholics and Protestants alike -- don't believe Jesus was married because the New Testament accounts of Jesus' life don't mention it.

But there are some overlooked biblical passages which indicate Jesus may have married and fathered children.

First, there are reportedly over 300 specific Old Testament prophecies about Jesus' human life. Of those prophecies, none predicted that he would be celibate or a virgin his entire lifetime.

Second, nothing is known about Jesus' life from age 12 to 30, except that his trade was carpentry. In those 18 years he may have married -- or not.

The books of the Catholic and Protestant Bibles we read today were included as "sacred scripture" at the Councils of Laodicea (363 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) -- by the Catholic Church. That church emphasizes celibacy as the way to holiness. Priests and nuns are celibate.

Any books which even hinted at Jesus having a romantic love interest may have been excluded. For instance, the "gospel of Thomas" includes a passage about Jesus often kissing Mary Magdalene. Mary was the first person who saw Jesus after his resurrection, showing that she was no doubt emotionally and spiritually close to Jesus. Her first reaction to seeing Jesus alive was to embrace him. (John 20:16, 17)

Isaiah 53 is a detailed prophecy of Jesus' life. Notice verse 10: "When You make his (Jesus') soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed." If you look up the word "seed" in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, that Hebrew word always means "child" or "children" in several Old Testament passages where it is used.

So, when Jesus was hanging on the cross, if you understand this passage plainly as it is written, he saw his child or children.

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http://magazine.mormonfundamentalism.org/jcrefute.htm

The following treatise was written by the Director of the British Institute of Mormon Studies in response to last month’s, "A Married Messiah?", and takes a quite different view of the same subject:


WAS JESUS MARRIED?

A consideration of the evidence
By Ronnie Bray [Who is a mainstream Latter-day Saint]


Was Jesus married? An interesting question that has never been raised in the arena of scholarly Christology. [I have since learned that this is not entirely accurate] Nevertheless, it raises interest by the very act of asking the question.

There are three main schools of thought about the question: those who believe that he was not and could not have been. These are in the main from the mainstream of Christian scholarship. For them, the question is absurd. The absurdity may be seen as arising from the perspective that celibacy is the superior way of life, required by the Roman Church for several centuries.

And while the Protestant churches have cast off many of the trappings of Catholicism in their brief history, they have never entirely divested themselves of Catholic attitudes to sexuality, especially sexuality and spirituality and the bearing each has upon the other.

The second group are those who do not know whether he was or not. They are, probably quire rightly, confused by the issues, and who can fail to be confused? The issues are far from clear. The final group is that which is in no doubt that Jesus was married. This is an interesting group because of its composition. It is not found in the mainstream of Christianity. In fact, many from this group do not belong to Christianity at all, but are what may be described as side-line snipers; critics of Christianity (and most other religions), whose main purpose is to discomfort Christians by expressing volubly the unacceptable idea that Jesus was married and thereby enjoyed normal intimate relations with a woman.

Some Jewish scholars present this perspective simply from the point of view that Jesus was a Jewish man although admittedly an extraordinary one. To this group also belong some early Latter-day Saint theologians and, it should be said, some later ones. Their purpose is dictated by the need to demonstrate that Jesus must have been married.

This theological necessity is determined by the Latter-day Saint understanding of exaltation and Godhood.

These three schools of thought are engaged in some sort of a debate without communicating with one another. Their positions are firmly entrenched and they do not yield. But, what evidence is there for these discrete positions?

Tatian, a Gnostic, and Basilides, an Alexandrian theologian with Gnostic tendencies, are said by some (Joyce, Donovan The Jesus Scroll, Sphere Books Ltd. London, 1973, p. 86) to have been the founders of the idea that Jesus was not married. … What is the evidence for Jesus having been married or not married? Is there any evidence? It has to be admitted that the most often proposed argument in favour his having married is based on arguments from silence. For obvious reasons, these are never satisfactory; one has to jump to too many conclusions to accept them with any degree of enthusiasm.

Jesus the Jew

Whilst the Judaic traditions required a father to ensure that his sons were circumcised, redeemed, acquire an education, a trade, and a wife, it is by no means certain that all Jewish boys were the beneficiaries of all these. Indeed, some might have none at all. Not all the B’nei Yisrael were deeply religious at the Meridian of Time, any more than the adherents or followers of any religion are.

Sanders holds that Paul was probably a zealot who had no time for marriage.( Sanders, EP Paul, OUP, 1981, Oxford) It could be argued that Jesus, like Paul had a specific and individual mission to perform, and that his mission precluded his marrying during mortality. That is, of course, speculative and speculation is the enemy of scholarship and often leads us far from truth. …

Recognising that it was not unusual for Jewish boys to have their education and religious and social duties overlooked by parents, together with the recognition that Jesus was by no means ordinary and that his unusual destiny was known to at least one of his parents, and probably to both according to the scriptural records, there is little room to feel sure that his life would follow the normative course for other boys of his generation. The Torah (the Tanach was not in existence in Jesus’ day) laid duties upon fathers to perform certain things for their sons. About Jesus, we can only be sure about his circumcision, although his religious education does not appear to have been neglected, as the interesting vignette of the twelve-year old shows.

If Jesus was married, why is there no reference to his wife or children? References to his family are limited to his mother and his brothers and sisters, although these have been carefully interpreted by Roman Catholics to be children of the reticent Joseph by a previous marriage. This is a legal fiction. Theological necessity produces many such fictions on the grounds that "It has to be because it must be!" Similarly, if we have to have Jesus married we will read the evidence, such as it is, to reach that conclusion. This can not be done except at the cost of truth, so we need to be circumspect and honest.

Orson Hyde taught that Jesus was married, and names Mary and Martha as having been his wives.(Journal of Discourses, volume 2, 10 June 1854) The reasoning behind his opinions is the same as those sideline snipers,(Baigent, Leigh, and Lincoln Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Dell Books) who aim to embarrass Christians. What is the weight of his evidence? Are the snipers using sound judgement or creating a monster out of smoke? Both groups claim that the wedding feat at Cana was one of Jesus’ marriages. As to his others they are all strangely silent. Their reasons for Jesus being the bridegroom at Cana are slight and unsure. They point out that Jesus was summoned to the wedding, as a bridegroom would have been. However, wedding guests were also summoned or invited to the feast, as detailed in the parable of the wedding guests. This construction is less than convincing. To support their viewpoint it is pointed out that Jesus’ mother asked him to supply the wine. Since the bridegroom had the responsibility to supply the wine, it is argued that the groom must indeed have been Jesus. However, Mary approached her son in extremis, after the initial supply of wine) supplied by the real bridegroom) had dried up. Although not expressed in the narrative of the Fourth Gospel, she was clearly asking him to use his supranatural power to provide further wine. He understood the request not as a bridegroom who had failed to asses the number of guests expected at his wedding – an unlikely event – but as one who had been called upon to perform, not a mere miracle, but a sign of his divinity. The synopticists are significantly silent about this event. If it had been the marriage of Jesus is it likely that it would have failed to have been mentioned, at least By Matthew who is at pains to demonstrate the Jewishness of Jesus as the promised mashiach? …

Some scholars confine Jesus to marrying that Mary, who is identified by the Roman Church as being the penitent woman, Mary of Bethany and the Magdalene rolled into one. There is no textual or historical reason to confuse the women except, perhaps, to manufacture a type of woman who, whilst inferior to Mary the Virgin mother of Christ, is identifiable with all sinful women – and apart from the "Blessed Virgin Mary" - there are only sinful women. There are no reasons apart from doctrinal necessity that indicates anything other than that Mary of Bethany and Mary Magdalene were other than upright and righteous women. Neither is there anything to suggest that Mary of Bethany was the husband of Jesus.

It is not insignificant that the appeal is again to the Fourth Gospel, the only place where the raising of Lazarus is recorded. Much is made of the fact that Mary remained in the house until she was ‘called’ by Jesus through the voice of Martha. We do not know enough of the circumstances to determine why Mary remained in the house. It is true that a wife would not run out of the house to greet her husband until he bade her do so. However, it is equally certain that unless Mary was aware that Jesus was outside she would remain where she was unless she had good reason to do otherwise. Again, we must remember that we are not reading biography, although much of the content of the Fourth Gospel is historically accurate. Other parts may not be so accurate as to be taken as verbatim accounts of events. … Who stayed where is of little importance and is unreliable in forming an opinion as to the marital state of either Jesus or Mary. Did she call him Lord? If she did, the word has a wide semantic range. In Aramaic, the language of Jesus and Mary, it is baal, meaning, lord, master, or husband, or anything in between. The relationship between Jesus and the little family at Bethany was obviously such that they knew his mission and destiny. Calling him master was not unusual or inappropriate, even for those to whom he was not married. Men also called him master.

… Phipps argument from silence is flimsy and easy to controvert. He writes as one who believes the Gospels to be biographical which they patently are not. Each of the Gospels was written for a particular purpose, the material in them being manipulated towards specific ends. This does not detract from their value; rather it ensures that readers understand the points of view of the believing community.

The title, rabbi, meant teacher. In the time of Jesus’ mortal ministry Judaism was not yet formed. … The great age of rabbinism had neither yet dawned. … Reading back present forms into ancient ones is likely to lead us further from the truth rather than toward it.

Appeal to the authority of Celsus is self-defeating. This pagan philosopher mounted a bitter attack on Christianity and would be likely to say anything that put Jesus in a bad light, such as the kissing of a woman on the lips, whether married to her or not. His True Discourse (c. 178) is the earliest known literary swipe at Christianity that we know only through fragments and through references to it in Origen’s response. To Celsus, the doctrines of Incarnation and Crucifixion were repugnant. He was the first anti-Mormon author!

The Gospel of Phillip is part of that literature – of which there is a mountain – known as the pseudepigrapha, meaning writings claiming to have been written by famous people, but which are known to be spurious. It is unreliable in the extreme as anyone familiar with it has discovered. Its main use is to show what later Christians, and sometimes non-Christians or heretics, thought the Church ought to teach. Writings in the name of some famous figure from the past were more likely to be accepted as authoritative by believers. … You need to be circumspect when appealing to them for they are not trustworthy. Likewise when relying on tombstone inscription to determine who was buried in them or what the inscriptions really mean. Martha and Jesus were common enough names and we need not imagine that because the location seems right, that these inscription refer to characters from the pages of scripture. …

Dr Udleys assertion that Simeon ben Jesus was Bishop of Jerusalem until his death in AD 106 beggars belief. One would expect that a Master of Theology would be aware that Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 by the Roman Army under General Sylvius, and that the Jews in Jerusalem were either slaughtered or taken into slavery, the city ploughed up, and that was the end of the Jerusalem branch of the Church of Christ. It disappeared from the stage of history. … One tends to suspect the Doctor’s academic credentials!

Well, that’s a pretty good hatchet job on your essay! It still does not address the question. Of whether Jesus was married. The answer to that question is, "I don’t know!" I do know that we should be. Section 131 makes that abundantly clear, and we have no excuse for non-compliance once we are aware of the doctrine. I know that Jesus will have to become married if he is not already. Could he have been married before he came to earth through the Incarnation? "And the Word was God." The scriptures are silent, and the inferences we may draw may give us comfort, but may not be reliable. The indices of his marital status are too slight to be safe. The argument from silence is never satisfactory. Silence can be understood in so many ways.

I hope that you find my response of interest and that it will spur you to a more profound study of a fascinating subject. I thank you for this opportunity to respond. It was the kick from behind that I needed to get writing again. I have been static too long. Feeling sorry for myself, I shouldn’t wonder. Thank you for providing the impetus to open a few books and brush away the cobwebs that have bound up my grey matter for far too long.



A response to the above article follows below -

Jesus Was Married! [written by the editor of the magazine]

Latter-day Apostles and Prophets Testify.


I have been quite surprised [writes the editor] to find that my recent article, "The Married Messiah", has proved to be so controversial, especially to another Latter-day Saint. My treatment of the subject was but a summary of some of the scriptural and cultural arguments for Jesus having been married, as have occasionally appeared in popular Mormon publications. Yet I find myself honoured that it proved to be of such interest, that someone felt it warranted a response. The arguments against the evidences I presented are well written, and pointed out weaknesses in the reasoning used and alternative interpretations, that I perhaps should have noticed before the final version was published. No doubt those who might read such different treatments of the subject, will find themselves provoked to further personal study, which I’m sure is the goal of those who stand on both sides of this issue.



Peddliar,

Get it right! It is not hard if you are honest.





tropicalstorm answered on 09/01/07:

the blithering Baptists' Bigot's Bible does say avoid vain speculations which is all 'they' (Peddles) seems to peddle as his favorite past time!

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Ch.Pétrus.82 asked on 08/29/07 - Pericles

Please be a good fellow & stop messing with other good peoples posts.

Thanks

Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 08/30/07:

Would be nice but his messing is good as far as he is concerned!

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domino asked on 08/28/07 - ANY TAKERS?????

O.K. all you gamblers.....For the FIFTH time around, Jessica Jane Dupoop/unholy Holly claims to have FOUND JESUS AGAIN. I am offering ten to one odds that this latest round of sobriety will last no more than a week, before we find the board filled with her filth again......ANY TAKERS???????

tropicalstorm answered on 08/29/07:

Like my old boyfriend use to say............

"I quit drinking, NO more, thats it I am sick of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

AND I rightly added "UNTIL tomorrow morning!"

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arcura asked on 08/27/07 - For your enjoyment................................



tropicalstorm answered on 08/28/07:

I am patiently waiting for the day America wakes up and is fed up with "*celebs*" getting a pat on the hand (few hours in *jail* thaj mahal style!)

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peddler2 asked on 08/28/07 - Is Ignorance a religion?



Lately the atheists here have been claiming on one hand that science proves atheism and on the other that it has nothing to do with religion.

Perk rants and rave about nonsense like the evolution of intelligence and then proves he lacks the intelligence to defend that statement.

Domino claims scientists don’t make assumptions then goes dead silent because he assumes correctly he lacks the knowledge to defend that guffaw.

Then there is Mary Mary quite contrary who argues like John Kerry. There are 2 sides to every issue and I agree with both. One minute she says science has nothing to do with religion and the next that what she calls science proves the Bible is not true because the earth could not have been created in six days.


First she claims that science proves all religion is a myth.

No religion is FACT, Tom. None.

Religion is FAITH/BELIEF...you are a believer, Ronnie is a believer, others here are believers....scriptures are stories and myths for the most part. {note this assumes her beliefs are fact}

You claim the Bible as your scripture. It is full of myth from the first story, Creation is Six Days....and many other stories that follow. You believe because it is you FAITH. It is not fact

When presented with scientific evidence it is not she says:


Clarification/Follow-up by Mary_Susan on 08/27/07 7:57 pm:
THIS IS A ***CHRISTIANITY BOARD*** not a biology board.

And I almost forgot Freddie who says that science has disproved the Bible and made Jesus Christ a liar and a bigot who is also ignorant of science.

Apparently the only faith they have is ignorance, it has become their god,

tropicalstorm answered on 08/28/07:

Peddles
I see you forget! Reminder....he has to prove NO negatives..............I wish everything in everyday life used that rule!

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peddler2 asked on 08/26/07 - Diamonds Older than the Earth? Say it ain't So! LOL!

2. LiveScience: “Diamonds Nearly as Old as Earth”

The Jack Hills region of Western Australia is home to diamonds “nearly as old as the Earth itself and considered the oldest terrestrial diamonds ever discovered,” according to a new study, reports LiveScience.

The diamonds, found trapped inside zircon crystals, were subjected to chemical analyses by Institute of Mineralogy scientist and study leader Martina Menneken, who reported the diamonds’ age at more than four billion years old—almost a billion years older than previous diamond-age reports. This “suggests the diamonds were present in material that crystallized within 300 million years of the formation of Earth,” according to the team, and led them to conclude that the “Earth had a relatively thick continental crust by 4.25 billion years ago.”

Old-earth, diamond-dating techniques are not known for accuracy, however; for a prime example, see Flaws in dating the earth as ancient, which reports on shoddy 1980s dating of diamonds from—where else?—the Jack Hills region. The article also reports on the dating of diamonds in Zaire to six billion years old, a date thrown out as invalid merely because it was too large for the widely accepted age of the earth.

Also interesting would be if these recent diamonds had been subjected to Carbon-14 dating. As part of the RATE (Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth) project, geophysicist Dr. John Baumgardner detected 14C in diamonds—yet 14C is far too “short-lived” to have survived for the eons diamonds are supposed to have experienced.

Certainly, it seems that while the case for an old earth is weak all-around, diamond-dating is one field where it is at its weakest

tropicalstorm answered on 08/26/07:

Imagine that!
If the diamonds are that old they were coal before the became diamonds so that makes the age even older. Right??? LOL!

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peddler2 asked on 08/26/07 - To Spamicles-You Choose

Since you have decided to spam all my posts I will give you a choice.
I can block you from responding at all or you can stop.
It is interesting you keep harping on hypocrisy and no one says a word about you spaming my post when you bitched like old woman about JJD.

tropicalstorm answered on 08/26/07:

same old same old!!! Has there been anything interesting here since I got my summer life? Well, hopefully before my summer life is over ya'll will have something new and non spam to say!!!!

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revdauphinee asked on 06/17/07 - you are blessed

If you woke up this morning
with more health than illness,
you are more blessed than the
million who won't survive the week.
If you have never experienced
the danger of battle,
the loneliness of imprisonment,
the agony of torture or
the pangs of starvation,
you are ahead of 20 million people
around the world.
If you attend a church meeting
without fear of harassment,
arrest, torture, or death,
you are more blessed than almost
three billion people in the world.
If you have food in your refrigerator,
clothes on your back, a roof over
your head and a place to sleep,
you are richer than 75% of this world.
If you have money in the bank,
in your wallet, and spare change
in a dish someplace, you are among
the top 8% of the world's wealthy.
If your parents are still married and alive,
you are very rare,
especially in the United States.
If you hold up your head with a smile
on your face and are truly thankful,
you are blessed because the majority can,
but most do not.
If you can hold someone's hand, hug them
or even touch them on the shoulder,
you are blessed because you can
offer God's healing touch.
If you can read this message,
you are more blessed than over
two billion people in the world
that cannot read anything at all.
You are so blessed in ways
you may never even know.
If you are feeling blessed, repay the blessings bestowed unto you and do something for others.

tropicalstorm answered on 06/17/07:

Yes I am blessed as I woke up this morning and yet today may have been the last day
I ever see my son again since he left for Germany/Iraq/......today!

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peddler7118 asked on 06/06/07 - Mexifornia here We Come !

> Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to
> scare the beejeebers out of you!
>
> We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context
> his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an
> immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to
> capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
> college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his
> latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and
> illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would
> march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The
> American Dream.
>
> Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
> gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
> spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the
> United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
> self- satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that
> hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.
> Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
> that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
> suicide.'"
>
> "Here is how they do it," Lamm said:
>
> "First , to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or
> multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can
> survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing
> languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be
> bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The
> historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of
> bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories
> of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and
> Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press
> for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided.
> Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with
> Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans. ".
>
> Lamm went on:
>
> Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage
> immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that
> all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. Make it
> an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due
> solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other
> explanation is out of bounds.
>
>
> Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without
> much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
> Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent
> success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have
> been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance
> that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American,
> we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together."
> Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language
> and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad
> bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
> subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as
> Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
>
> "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
> educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
> undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this
> second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
>
> "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
> and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
> ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I
> would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the
> fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all
> minority failure on the majority population."
>
> "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship,
> and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity.
> I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
> worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they
> are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is
> against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes
> to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks
> believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common
> language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece
> took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened
> their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome
> two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured
> political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one.
> In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'
> instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
>
> "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to
> talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a
> word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion
> and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt
> discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural
> country, having established multi-culturism, having the large
> foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it
> impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra:
> That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be
> good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the
> cumulative imp act of millions of them."
>
> In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
> Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor
> Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It
> exposes the plan to destroy America . If you feel America. deserves to
> be destroyed, don't read that book."
>
> There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
> cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
> room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
> quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today.
> Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
> foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even
> barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
> as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third
> World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of
> California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and
> growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book 񓟠." In that
> story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building:
> "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."
>
> Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
> conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
> deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
> monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
> wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American
> Dream.

tropicalstorm answered on 06/06/07:

Guess what Peddles it has been their plan to do exactly what they have been doing for the past 20 to 30 years. Bush NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF 'CLOSING THE BORDER'
HE SAYS THAT JUST TO SHUT UP THE BUSHBOTS THAT LOVE HIM SO MUCH AND ARE BLIND TO WHAT HE IS DOING.
HE IS WORKING ON MANY THINGS THAT ARE WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THE ANTI CHRIST!!!
THE NATIONAL ID
MAKING THE USA, MEXICO & CANADA ONE NATION
YOU NAME WHAT YOU THINK THE ANTI CHRIST WOULD DO TO MAKE HIS PLAN WORK
AND IT IS ALREADY HAPPENING WITH BUSH AND IT STARTED WITH CLINTON
REALLY EVEN BEFORE THAT!

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MaggieB asked on 06/04/07 - WOW, the Dems are bringing religion to the polls again, what must we do?

Clinton: Faith got me through troubles By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
43 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - In a rare public discussion of her husband's infidelity, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday that she probably could not have gotten through her marital troubles without relying on her faith in God.

Clinton stood by her actions in the aftermath of former President Clinton's admission that he had an affair, including presumably her decision to stay in the marriage.

"I am very grateful that I had a grounding in faith that gave me the courage and the strength to do what I thought was right, regardless of what the world thought," Clinton said during a forum where the three leading Democratic presidential candidates talked about faith and values.

"I'm not sure I would have gotten through it without my faith," she said.

The forum, sponsored by the liberal Sojourners/Call to Renewal evangelical organization, provided an uncommon glimpse into the most personal beliefs of Clinton and rivals John Edwards and Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record). The most intimate question came about the Clintons' relationship, one of the world's most debated marriages but one that the husband and wife rarely speak openly about.

Clinton said she's "been tested in ways that are both publicly known and those that are not so well known or not known at all." She said it's those times when her personal faith and the prayers of others sustain her.

"At those moments in time when you are tested, it is absolutely essential that you be grounded in your faith," she said.

Edwards revealed that he prays — and sins — every day. The crowd gasped loudly when moderator Soledad O'Brien asked Edwards to name the biggest sin he ever committed, and he won their applause when he said he would have a hard time naming one thing.

"I sin every single day," said Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee. "We are all sinners and we all fall short."

Edwards, wearing a purple tie to match Sojourners' signature color, promoted himself as the candidate most committed to the group's mission of fighting poverty. He said he doesn't feel his belief in evolution is inconsistent with his belief in Christ and he doesn't personally feel gays should be married, although as president he wouldn't impose his belief system on the rest of the country.

"I have a deep and abiding love for my Lord, Jesus Christ," Edwards said, but he said the United States shouldn't be called a Christian nation.

He said he has been going to church since he was a child and was baptized as a teen. He said he strayed from his faith as an adult and it came "roaring back" when his teenage son died in 1996.

"It was the Lord that got me through that," Edwards said, along with both of his wife's cancer diagnoses.

Clinton acknowledged that talking about her religious beliefs doesn't come naturally to her.

"I take my faith very seriously and very personally," she said. "And I come from a tradition that is perhaps a little too suspicious of people who wear their faith on their sleeves."

Each candidate was given 15 minutes to appear before the packed auditorium at George Washington University's Lisner Auditorium and a live audience on CNN. They were questioned by O'Brien and by church leaders across the country.

Obama's appearance focused more on policy than the personal. Asked whether he agreed with President Bush's portrayal of the current global struggles in terms of good verses evil, Obama said there is a risk in viewing the world in such terms.

He said he believes that the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, were the result of evil. But he said that the United States' treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay is unjust.

"The danger of using good verses evil in the context of war is that it may lead us to be not as critical as we should about our own actions," Obama said to applause.
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SO what you guys compalian about now?

tropicalstorm answered on 06/04/07:

You did hear the southern accent Hillary did when she preached at a black southern church a couple months ago?

The Dems are allowed to preach at churches but they said that a republican preached at a church and they have to fill out all kinds of papers about what he preached about and to validate that he wasn't 'seeking votes'
or pushing his party.

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PrinceHassim asked on 06/04/07 - Does it

work?

tropicalstorm answered on 06/04/07:

Here on the
Dark Side of Moon
in the land of misfit toys
if it doesn't work
I make it work
IF I can't make it work
I find someone that can make it work
IF they can't make it work
I find someone that can turn it into something else (spare parts, abstract art,.......)
IF that isn't an option
I scrap it for $$$.


MY MOTTO:

WE GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOUR SCRAP


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hOPE12 asked on 05/31/07 - For Tom777

Hey Tom,

You still didn't answer my question's and especially this one.

What religious affiliation do you belong to Tom, what church do you attend?


Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/31/07:

from that convention he listed and from what Mad dawg and Peddles has said I believe they are ALL BAPTIST

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arcura asked on 05/29/07 - Apparently Pericles is now the board moderator.

He has ended at least two questions so that no one can answer or comment on them.
If so I request that he moderates all radial, zealous fundamentalist post and ends them.
I'm getting sick and tired of all their bigotry, lying, and heresies.
How do the rest of you feel about that?
Fred

tropicalstorm answered on 05/30/07:

we'll see how long everybody 'enjoys' Perk
'shutting' them down. Of course I will continue to reopen them as I feel 'moved' to.

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CeeBee2 asked on 05/30/07 - Decisions we or our families have to make.

I was always told that cremation was bad because it was a direct challenge to God to put you back together again. (Hello! What about the lions that ate the Christians, or what about people who die in fires? Like, God might not be able to put you back together again?)

Anyway, have you made arrangements for burial of your body or for cremation? If so, why did you make that choice?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/30/07:

The Bible does not say anything against creamation and it is not any kind of a challenge for God 'to put back together again'.
I wouldn't care if I was creamated (as long as I don't feel anything LOL)

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Ch.Pétrus.82 asked on 05/28/07 - Jesus the Jew

What were the false teachings of Judaism, in the 1st century, that Jesus opposed (according to Toms777)

tropicalstorm answered on 05/28/07:

I don't think it was so much false teachings as rituals and traditions that Jesus came
to do away the old and show a new way.
The pharisees and saducees had made their own ritual doctrines as a pious religious show
-such as when Jesus said you cleanse the 'outer' (material) but not the 'inner'(hearts)-

just as 'religion' is doing now as you can see on this board.

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hOPE12 asked on 05/28/07 - Here is a serious question for all, please answer it seriously.

Hello Everyone,

Okay here is what I want to say and without being rude or disrespectful.

Do you all on this board honestly feel that you personally have been respectuful to all here?

Do you feel that putting other down because they believe differently then you is respectful?


Some have downed others because they are different. Then they go on to attack not just the person who they are speaking with but that persons personal choice of religious or non religious affiliation.

When any person/s attack another's personal religious affiliation, isn't that abuse and disrespectful? After all are you talking with the individual person or their church or group they belong to?


Can a discussion be had without bringing up another persons religious/non-religious affiliations.

I personally believe I can disagree and not bring up other peoples religious affiliation. When someone attacks a persons religious affiliation,I personalliy feel that is rude and disrespectful. Why can't we just say "I disagree, and state why you disagree with their personal opinions? I also feel we are speaking just with them not with the group or religion they belong to. What are your views on this matter?

Please only respectful comments are welcomed. All other comments that are rude will be black stared.
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/28/07:

I won't 'attack' a religion. I think ALL religions miss the mark-even the point to a great degree.

I will play people's games back at them and if that comes off as disrespectful, so be it.

Where I live respect is a two-cent word used by crack-heads as they steal their grandma's vital meds out of the cabinet as they say, "I would NEVA dis you grams!"

I find people with integrity very refreshing;
but all the same,I am me and I am what I am when I want to be what I wanna be and reflect the atmosphere around me.

Personally, I am content in the spiritual direction I have found for me as you are with yours and I have also found an insight to how people are and I enjoy them no matter how they act.
I am not easily offended and find it much simpler not letting others get to me.
Of course,I DO turn anything back on others when they DO TRY to get to me 0R others!

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peddler7118 asked on 05/27/07 - Can Mormons cast spells?

Young paid especial attention to President Taylor, who had recently died, and whose course toward the Mormons did not please them, closing this part of his remarks with the declaration, "but Zachary Taylor is dead and in hell, and I am glad of it," adding, "and I prophesy in the name of Jesus Christ, by the power of the priesthood that's upon me, that any President of the United States who lifts his finger against this people, shall die an untimely death, and go to hell."

tropicalstorm answered on 05/28/07:

HeY Peddles
Now I may have to open a new post just simply to ask you if your question was resolved by consulting a wizard or how
you might have went about getting it answered!

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Toms777 asked on 05/27/07 - Brigham Young or God?


Brigham Young says:

"He that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is anti-christ" Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p.312

Scripture says:

1 John 4:2-3
very spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
NKJV

Who should we believe, Brigham Young or God?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/28/07:

HERE AT ANSWERWAY.COM IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A QUESTION OF BRIGHAM VS GOD. THE WORLD IS A STAGE AND
HERE AT ANSWERWAY.COM PERKIE BOY IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE STAGE.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/28/07 - Do Mormons say Jesus was a good man who went to hell?

Their prophet and god Bringham Young did.


If as good a man as Jesus Christwent to hell, we may well expect that a wicked and ungodly man will go thereto atone for his sins
LDs-Satanic Cult

tropicalstorm answered on 05/28/07:

well pha-- looks like you will have to start a new post to let us know what the article is saying in context.

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Dark_Crow asked on 05/27/07 - What is the definition of religion?................

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tropicalstorm answered on 05/27/07:

Yeah and look how messed up it is with all the arguing on here---prime example!

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revdauphinee asked on 05/26/07 - why?

I just cant understand why a site that once was so wonderfull has gotten so bad i used to love comming here we were most of us all friends who even when we dissagreed could remain civil to each other but these days its more like a complete joke fighting name calling and unintellegable stuff that has no bearing whatsoever on anything one might get from its name "the christinity board "they should now change the name from that to the conflict and confusion site "

tropicalstorm answered on 05/27/07:

I left the state of confusion for the land of misfit toys a few years back

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hOPE12 asked on 05/27/07 - To All

My Dear Friends and Experts,

It has been fun for over the years coming to Answerway.com and talking with you guys. I though have found that this board is depressing and a hinder to my joy each day. I have found that I need to move on to a more positive and encouraging tasks.

Just a few years ago, this board was really a joy to come to each day. I found that there were those that were so encouraging and always had something pleasant to say. Lately though this has been different and certainly not a board for discussing what each person believes, and with freedom to speak what they believe., either for or against Christianity. After all is it not the “Christians” purpose to help others to know God and to show love toward their neighbors?
Would you say this board has done that? Instead those who claim to be “Christians” chase away those who may even truly want to know God and the truth of what the Bible says.

Instead there have been those who have put shame onto the word and meaning of what “True Christianity” is and stands for. In all my life as a God fearing Christian, I have never allowed myself to go as low as I have this past year. I used to be able to give a mild answer when disagreeing with some who have a tendency to feel they are superior or better then others because they claim to be “Christians” while hounding and belittling and downgrading everyone around them because their beliefs are different those who tend to feel superior and who feel they are buddy, buddy with God and yet their actions, hate and their personal treatment of other’s, degrade God and what True Christianity is really all about. When asked a question instead of answering that question with honesty and according to the teachings of the Bible, they give their own ideas and teachings which push others away from “True Christianity “ instead of closer and closer to God.

I try conscientiously to practice what I preach, and hope that I never appear superior to others or self-righteous, especially when dealing with my neighbors. I hope that my conduct has not stumbled any on this board. I always wish to have conduct that shows my love and compassion for all people, for even Jesus said all people are our neighbors, and we should always love our neighbor. Luke 10:30. Love never looks for their own interest but for the interest and the good of the other person. 1 Corinthians 13: 4-8.

My concern her is for my neighbor and that is why I write this post. Some will take this and understand my motives for writing it, while others will give nasty remarks. I though was thinking about what it really means to be a True Christian and my conduct on this board. I want to show my love to all. Then I thought, “What about my neighbors? How do they view me? I also asked myself: “Do I personally radiate the joy of the truth, or do I make it look like a burden?

If I am a true follower of Christ, then is should be evident in my speech and in my conduct. It should be clear that my worship should be happy and joyful. Why
Because God is a happy God. Not a negative or God that excludes others or thinks that they are something special while feeling that others are lower then them. Answerway.com is like a Community of my neighbors. Then this question came to my mind. “What should my conduct as a Christian be toward neighbors and strangers in the Answerway community?

Jesus laid down good rules governing this matter when he said: “All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them.” “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Matt. 7:12; Mark 12:31

The apostle Paul wrote, at Romans 12:17-21; 13:8, 9: “Return evil for evil to no one. . . . If possible, as far as it depends upon you, be peaceable with all men. Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath. . . . If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals upon his head. Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good. Do not be owing anybody a single thing, except to love one another. . . . You must love your neighbor as yourself.”

Having said this my dear Friends, I give you my sincere apologies for any bad conduct in word and in my actions while on Answerway.com. I hope you all can forgive me. I want no longer to get into any discussions where negative comments are given nor do I wish to be involved in any such conduct again on this board. I will not answer any comments against JW’s or WBTS any more. These comments will be ignored or given a black star.

Tom777, Peddler and RoseKeeper, (Joy) I apologize for any negative things I may have said to you guys. I though do not apologize for standing up for what I believe. If I find that negative comments against me or about me and my beliefs, I will stand for what I feel is right, but I will never attack or degrade anyone ever. I give this apology to these three because I truly do love all people, even if I disagree with them. I hope you three welcome my apology and know that is given with love from me to you.

As to all others on this board, please know that I appreciate the respect that some have shown towards me and if I at any time show lack of respect to any of you,what ever you beliefs or lack of beleifs,
please let me know. My apologies if I have hurt any ones feelings in the past. Now I will start over fresh and in peace with you all. I will do my very best to remain peaceful with all on this board but as of this day, I will no longer get caught up in what I feel is not proper conduct or disrespectful conduct towards anyone on this board. I will though stick up for my rights to believe as I choose and my freedom of choice. I will show my convictions by giving anyone who shows me lack of respect a black star and then leave all other matters into God’s mighty hands. If I find I can no longer have self control when under attack, I will leave this board, and wish you all good things now and forever.

Have a nice weekend,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/27/07:

Well glad you are not abandoning us here at the land of misfit toys

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peddler2 asked on 05/26/07 - For those of you who are confused.

Bring'em Young never actually visited the sun he just said what his god told him to say.

The elements of which this terra firma is composed, are every moment either composing or decomposing. They commence to organize or to compose, and continue to grow until they arrive at their zenith of perfection, and then they begin to decompose. When you find a rock that has arrived at its greatest perfection, you may know that the work of decaying has begun. Let the practical chemist make his observations upon a portion of the matter of which this earth is composed; and he will find, that just as quick as it is at its perfection, that very instant it begins to decompose. ...
Gold and silver grow, and so does every other kind of metal, the same as the hair upon my head, or the wheat in the field; they do not grow as fast, but they are all the time composing or decomposing. - JoD 1:219 (October 9, 1852)

tropicalstorm answered on 05/26/07:

GEE PEDDLES
I have about a hundred pounds of copper from last summer that I have been saving for when the price goes back up to 2.95 per pound.
HOW many pounds do you think it might have grown in the past year?

I have a bag with about three pounds of silver too and a bag with about four pounds of gold. How many years do you think it will take for them to grow into a substancial amount to cash in?????

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Dark_Crow asked on 05/26/07 - MS, you really need to study some history...........

MS, you really need to study some history.

You said: Incidentally, the Jews never had an important economic or cultural civilization…]

You don’t understand- the Jews control the largest economy and army in the world… America.


"I've never seen a president -- I don't care who he is --
stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles your mind.
They always get what they want. The Israelis know what's
going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn't
writing anything down. If the American people understood
what grip those people have on our government, they would
rise up in arms. Our citizens don't have any idea what goes
on."

-- Admiral Thomas Moorer of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
Washington Report December, 1999, page 124, quoting from
Andrew Hurley's book "One Nation Under Israel".

He does forget Kennedy.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/26/07:

I know all my life I heard jokes about 'the rich jew'

A Jewish Joke
A story is told of a Jewish man who was riding on the subway reading an Arab newspaper. A friend of his, who happened to be riding in the same subway car, noticed this strange phenomenon. Very upset, he approached the newspaper reader: "Moshe, have you lost your mind? Why are you reading an Arab newspaper?"

Moshe replied: "I used to read the Jewish newspaper, but what did I find? Jews being persecuted, Israel being attacked, Jews disappearing through assimilation and intermarriage, Jews living in poverty. So I switched to the Arab newspaper. Now what do I find? Jews own all the banks, Jews control the media, Jews are all rich and powerful, Jews rule the world. The news is so much better!".

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MarySusan asked on 05/25/07 - Doris is Coming Back Effective TODAY!!!

Doris stopped by last night some hours after I had to dismiss(happy, Pete?) Wendy for lack of showing up. I asked Doris if she would come back and be my caregiver. We had a discussion and ironed out the problems that had originally forced me to get a new homemaker.

I feel so much better; the fog is lifting!!

I'm even going to let Tom666 off for his lie that he could prove the existence of GodAlmighty of the Bible.

Mary Sue :):):)

tropicalstorm answered on 05/25/07:

I'm glad for you Choux
I had a feeling Wendy was going to be temporary
Glad you were able to get Doris back without a problem. Hopefully all the ironing is all good.

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Toms777 asked on 05/24/07 - hOPE, YOU NEED TO READ BEFORE YOU RESPOND

hOPE,

You said:

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I can not post them until you do. Some here are waiting for your proofs first. They want scientific and facts, not only scriptures. In order for someone to believe that God exist you need to stimulate their minds as to the facts. Know facts that prove God exists.
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hOPE, this just discredited you. I would challenge you to go through the 6 or 7 proof that I gave and find any scriptures - rather I used science alone.

You need to read first, then respond.

If you want to stand with the atheists, this that is your choice. But at the moment it seems that you are also adopting their tactics - don't read, and claim that you don't see. All that does is discredit you, but the evidence is all over the board and the more that you and your atheist cohorts try to deny it, the more that the message gets posted on the board.

It is interesting how this type of back and forth helps traffic on websites. I think that I may start posting the link to the JW section on my site.

Tom

tropicalstorm answered on 05/24/07:

see your at it again
you want some spam????????????????
Take the code OFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/24/07 - "Dr Martin holds degrees from [1] Stony Brook School, [2] Adelphi University, [3] Biblical Sem




False claims of academic credentials/degrees from Martin's own literature:

[...] "Dr Martin holds degrees from [1] Stony Brook School, [2] Adelphi University, [3] Biblical Seminary, [4] New York University and [5] California Western University. [...]

[Source: Christian Research Institute Newsletter, 2nd Quarter, 1977, Vol. 1, #2, page 3.]

That makes five (5) degrees that Martin claims to have.

The first degree Martin lists in the Newsletter is from Stony Brook School. The following is an abstract from a letter sent from the school to a researcher into Martin's credentials.


THE STONY BROOK SCHOOL
STONY BROOK, NEW YORK, 11790 (516) 751-1800

September 10, 1981

[...]

The Stony Brook School is a college preparatory school which qualifies students for a high school diploma. We do not issue college diplomas.

Sincerely,
James Adare
Director of Development

JAA:elm

- END -

Adelphi University reports that:

"Walter Ralston Martin attended our university from
September 16 1946 thru January 31 1947.

Geraldine B Cosgrove Supv.
Transcript & Certification

GBC:bh

- END -

That makes his attendance at the University one of three and one half months duration. What kind of degree can you get in that time? You could SAY you got a degree and hope that no once checks up on you. That is exactly what Martin did.

So, thus far he did not receive a degree from Adelphi and he did not get a degree from Stony Brook. Two down, three to go!

Martin did receive a Master's degree from NYU, but it was not in the field Martin claimed it to be! He said at one time that it was in ‘Comparative Religion’ and another time that it was in the ‘Philosophy of Religion,’ but NYU say it was in “Pastors and Other Religious Leaders in Denominational Religious Bodies and Schools.” Perhaps it was a ‘sliding degree’ that changes according to what you want to tell an audience paying to hear how much you know and in what fields. His Masters is his only earned degree, although it was not in the field he claims it to have been.

[Source:

New York University
A Private University in the Public Service


Office of Legal Counsel
Elmer Holmes Borst Library
70 Washington Square South
New York N.Y. 10012

Telephone (212) 598-2691

Signed by Ada Meloy
Assistant General Counsel]


Martin also claimed a degree from The Biblical Seminary (now known as NY Theological Seminary)

Having received his MA in June 1956, Martin immediately registered at the Biblical Seminary for 'summer courses.’ It is laughable to imagine that anyone could get a post-graduate degree in a few months of simmer school, and the Seminary does not report Martin having received any sort of academic credential from them, although they do admit to being confused at his claims, mentioning the “discrepancies between the schools listed on our transcript and what Mr [NOT Doctor!] Martin reported in his resume: ” They say the highest degree he listed with them was his a masters degree. Had he had a doctorate it would have been recorded.

Information from NYTS received from Mrs Margaret J Rathnum, Admissions Office, NYTS.


In case #229099 in the Superior Court of the State of California, for the County of Orange - ‘Walter R Martin Plaintiff vs. Bruce A Johnson, et al, Defendants – in his deposition #1 of August 14, 1975, p. 63, Martin states that he does not refer to himself as “Dr Walter Martin.” He says that he “responds to it,” ”Publicly I have stated that I do not have an earned doctorate as yet,” and also states that he has advised people who have advertised his speaking engagements not to refer to him as “Dr Walter Martin.”

All these statements are FALSE! Almost ten years BEFORE is lawsuit which was more than ten years before his Ph.D. degree, he had himself put as informant on his mother’s death certificate as “Dr Walter Martin.” I have ample documentary evidence that he habitually called himself Dr when he had no doctorate, and that this was his customary manner of having others address him.

It has been said that Liars should have good memories, and Martin is the prime example that they should. Unhappily for Martin he does not have a good memory and that gets him into one difficulty after another as he keeps changing his stories to suit his moods.

Did Martin or did he not submit a master’s thesis? Anyone who has received their masters will not soon forget whether they did a thesis for it, but Martin forgets and so exposes himself to some the charges laid against him by those who have taken up his challenge to investigate his credentials.


Martin says he received his doctorate from California Western University. This organisation is an unaccredited correspondence school – in reality, a diploma mill with a printing press, no classrooms, no faculty, no staff, and no campus except an couple of empty offices in a shared building. CWU started out to be California State College but the state of California refused permission to Tom Neale to register his business in that name, so the following day, 11 July 1974 he changed it to California western University.

[Source: California State Dept of Education, Bureau of Schools Approvals. Preliminary Information Form, 1977, recorded in the Official Records of Orange County, CA., and Affidavit of President or other Head of Corporation in Official records of Orange County, CA. Copies may be obtained at small cost]

The following is taken from the University’s own brochure in 1976 the same year that martin ‘earned’ his doctoral degree from there:



1. No classroom attendance is required
2. Each program is self-priced
3. Each Program can, in most cases, be completed in a substantially shortened time period as compared to the traditional education system
4. Each program, is substantially less expensive than comparable Programs in other private independent Colleges and Universities.


The State of California Department of Education writes:

”California Western is a nonaccredited degree granting school which has been operating since 1973 or ’74. The school is basically a correspondence school … “

[Source: Letter from D Welty, Consultant, Office of Private Postsecondary Education, Tel: (916) 445-3427, 3 December 1981]


In the Bible Answer Man Radio Show of 16 February 1985 Walter Martin said:

”California Western … isn’t a correspondence school at all and it is accredited in the State of California

The State of California, says:

”California Western is a nonaccredited degree granting school which has been operating since 1973 or ’74. The school is basically a correspondence school … “

When contacted by a researcher checking out Martin’s credential as he has frequently encouraged listeners to do, California Western University said they could find no record of Walter Martin! When told of this, martin was furious, and a few days later a letter was sent to “Dr” Martin from CWU saying that they had reviewed his file [the one they could not find] and declared that he had been awarded the degree of Doctor of Philosophy in 1976. This was an embarrassment because Martin claimed he had a Ph D, and they say it was a D Ph.

To be fair to Martin, CWU did claim to be accredited, but claims and realities are quite different things as Martin should know if anyone does.

However, the Western Association of Schools and Colleges are adamant that it was ’not accredited’ and that it had never even ’APPLIED FOR ACCREDITATION.’ [NB – CWU lost a name infringement suit in 1981 an is now called California Coast University.]

If you are interested in following Martin and obtaining a bogus degree from CWU, you can buy it through the post like you can from all degree mills. It cost Martin $195.00 and with the fancy certificate for his wall he also received ‘verification’ that he had attended for three years! It is doubtful that Martin ever attended once, because he could not remember the name of the city in which his three-year university was! I have no difficulty remembering the names of the universities I attended, and I am not as smart as Martin! I am, however, honest!

Why did Walter Martin lie so much and so often about his degrees, schools, colleges, etc? Millions treat him as a demigod in their supposed battle against the cults. The truth is that the horror stories Martin tells them – make that ‘sells them – about the ‘cults – are mostly manufactured by Martin to keep them on the edge of their seats. He likes them on the edge of their seats because he does not have too far to go to get his hand in their pockets!

Martin told so many lies that it became increasingly difficult to tell when he was telling the truth and when he was lying. In the end, he came to believe that the lies he told were all true. He became a millionaire out of his mendacity and prevarication.

He also claimed time and time to be a clergyman, which he was not except for a period of two years early in his career, after which he was defrocked because of his deceit.


Can we trust anything that Martin says about anything when he cannot even tell the truth about himself?


”Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.” I trust the Person who said that, but do not ask me to believe anything Martin said.


tropicalstorm answered on 05/24/07:

Like I said before I use to watch Martin but his clips looked too suspicious. Like how and where is he getting film footage of witches doing ritual dances and so forth?????

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madddawg asked on 05/23/07 - Mary's Month:

According to Roman Catholic mythology Mary never sinned.
“Our lady is different from us. We have sinned, but she did not.” The New Saint Joseph’s Catechism, page 35.
But according to the infallible word of God, Mary was a sinner:
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. Luke 1:47 (if Mary was without sin she did not need a Savior!)
And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two pigeons. Luke 2:24. (Leviticus 12:8 says that sacrifice was to make an atonement for the sins of the mother)
Then said unto him, behold, thy mother … desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? … And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren. For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister and mother. Matthew 12:47-50


So which is true, the Roman Catholic mythology, or the word of God?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/23/07:

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE MARY COULD NOT HAVE SINNED OR SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE JESUS' MOTHER BECAUSE IF SHE HAD TO BE WITHOUT SIN WOULDN'T HER MOTHER HAD TO HAVE BEEN WITHOUT SIN TO HAVE MARY SO THAT MARY COULD BE SINLESS TO HAVE JESUS AND WOULDN'T IT HAVE TO HAVE GONE ALL THE WAY BACK TO EVE IF SO? SORRY, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT

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Chora asked on 05/22/07 - For Ttfnuas

Why did you rate my answer to Toms with three single stars?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/22/07:

at least, that means Tif doesn't think you are Hank :)

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arcura asked on 05/22/07 - He will not drive drunk again.........................

Driver Who Tested Positive for DUI Not Arrested, Dies in Wreck 3 Hours Later
Tuesday , May 22, 2007

JANESVILLE, Wis. —
A driver who was stopped for speeding and tested over the legal limit for blood-alcohol content, but was not arrested, was killed less than three hours later Monday when his car hit a tree, according to police.
Janesville police records indicate that Jason Stacy, 29, was seen speeding and driving erratically downtown shortly after 1 a.m.
According to an analysis of police records by WISC-TV in Madison, Stacy was stopped and given a Breathalyzer test that indicated a blood-alcohol level of 0.12 percent. The legal limit in Wisconsin is 0.08.
Stacy was ticketed for imprudent speed and failing to stay in the center of his lane. The officer didn't arrest Stacy but did prevent him from driving until a friend picked him up, the television station reported.
Around 3:45 a.m., Stacy's car hit a tree and burst into flames, deputies said. Stacy, who was alone and not wearing a seatbelt, was found about 50 feet away.
Janesville police declined to comment. The Rock County Sheriff's Department said it is investigating.
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When was the last time you drove while under the influence?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/22/07:

I only drove drunk once and was EXTREMELY cautious!
I was only drunk maybe three times in my life.
I 100% HATE the feeling!!!!

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Bobbye asked on 05/21/07 - Oops!

I apologize for multiple posts, but for two weeks, I've had every guru in town checking my three computers. A nightmare, to say the least.

Bobbye

tropicalstorm answered on 05/21/07:

Just click the submit button once and it is already on the page before it changes.
I hit copy stuff, then hit the submit button and start a new page and it is already on there. If it isn't I have it copied and do it again.

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Toms777 asked on 05/21/07 - Response to hOPE Part 2


hOPE's comments are in red
Man decides to either choose what is good or what is bad. Then we reap the consequences of our choices.

So far so good.

God does not threaten us,

You use the word threat, and that carries certain connotations, but God certainly does warn us:

Rev 20:13-15
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
NKJV

But there are yet some who choose to ignore God's warnings and to say that there is no hell, that there is no lake of fire.

we threaten others with words and things that God does not. Why? Only to control others.

Like when we tell others what we cannot or cannot say.

God would never burn people, it is unthinkable on his part.

God does not want people to burn would be a better way to put it. God created hell for Satan and his demons. Why? Out of love for mankind because it is Satan and his demons who deceive men into believing the lie, believing that they can become gods, and destroying the relationship that God desires each of us to have with Him. It is Satan and his demons who cause men to give up the hope of eternal and abundant life and instead choose to reject God.

It is for that reason that God created a special place of punishment for Satan and his demons.

If God would not even think of such a thing, it raises the question: Did Almighty God create such a place of torment?


Let's allow scripture to answer that.

Rev 21:7-8
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
NKJV

Rev 14:11-12
11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
NKJV

There are those, however, who hope that there is no accounting for their rebellion against Him and who prefer to deny that there is any consequence for rejecting the true God and who deny that hell and the lake of fire exist.

Wishful thinking on their part.

Since the dead have no conscious existence, hell cannot be a fiery place of torment where the wicked suffer after death.

Really? Read Luke 16 - scripture teaches something much different.

What, then, is hell? Examining what happened to Jesus after he died helps to answer that question. The Bible writer Luke recounts: “Neither was [Jesus] forsaken in Hades [hell, King James Version] nor did his flesh see corruption.”

Again, if you look at Luke 16, it will help clear up this mis-understanding regarding Hades and Hell.

Luke 16:22-31
22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' 29 Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.' 30 And he said, 'No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' 31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "
NKJV

Note that there are two sides here, one is Abraham's bosom and the other is a place of torment. Jesus did not go to hell (place of torment), but to Abraham's bosom.1 Peter 3:18-21
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
NKJV

The people to whom Christ preached were saved, not in the place of torment for the unsaved.

So please stop telling the Mormons, JW’s and the Atheists, and any who are not believing the way you do they are going to burn in hell.

It is not a case of believing the way someone else does, but it is a matter of believing in Christ, the true Christ and accepting what the word of God says.

If anyone chooses to turn away from the true God, refuse to be born again, claim that they are God or going to be God, then scripture is clear that they are facing eternal torment in hell and the lake of fire.

I can stop saying that when God chnages His word, and not before....and God says that He never changes.

Rather than denying that there is a consequence for rebellion against God, the right thing to do would be to find out how to get right with God and Jesus commanded us to be born again or we cannot see the kingdom of God.

hOPE, have you obeyed Jesus' command to be born again?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/21/07:

I was thinking to on the one hand they say why would a loving God allow torment but on the other hand they refuse their dying (children or adult) to be allowed to live by refusing blood transplants. Isn't that about an oxymoron?

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peddler7118 asked on 05/21/07 - Worldview Super Conference 2

. May 30th –June 2nd Ridgeville N.C.

Worldview Super Conference 2
Preparing This Generation
to Capture the Future
A Message From the Host of the Worldview Super Conference
Christianity in America was dealt a serious blow at the infamous Scopes Trial of 1925. After our hollow victory, Christians retreated from American public life with their tails tucked between their legs. Over the next 50 years, we allowed Secular Humanism to replace Christianity as the official religion of America. As a result, cherished freedoms to express our Christian faith were eroded before our eyes. The killing of pre-born babies was legalized. Violent crime rose to staggering levels in our nation's history. The quality of education plummeted to new depths. It wasn't until 1975, and the "born-again" era, that Christians began to re-emerge and re-engage the culture once again.
Thankfully, Christians have made remarkable progress since 1975. Great ministries and organizations have arisen out of the Church to debunk the theory of evolution, challenge the ACLU, disciple Christians, and minister to the needy. Home education and private education have exploded exponentially… producing godly and well-educated children. Yet, with all the ground we've taken back from the secular humanists, there's still much work to be done.
The Church has been paralyzed by an obsession with life in the Last Days and has lost sight of fulfilling the Great Commission to teach the nations to obey all of Christ’s commandments. If America is to be restored to the godly nation it was, we must prepare this generation to capture the future. Of course, American Vision’s mission goes beyond restoring America just for America’s sake. John Winthrop, the first governor of the Massachusetts colony, envision a nation that would become “a City on a Hill.”
For we must consider that we shall be as a City upon a Hill, the eyes of all people are upon us;… Beloved, there is now set before us life, and good, death and evil in that we are commanded this day to love the Lord our God, and to love one another to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His ordinance, and His laws, and the Articles of our Covenant with Him that we may live and be multiplied, and that the Lord or God may bless us in the land whether we go to possess it
The light from a city on a Hill shines beyond its own walls. America’s restoration will lead to a more stable social structure, a prosperous economy, and a happier nation—demonstrating to the world the blessings and glory of living in a truly Christian society. It will slao foster a more robust missions enterprise that helps America fulfill the Great Commission. American Vision is working to restore this America as well as build Christian nations around the world. Can it be done? Absolutely. Every square inch of this world belongs to King Jesus. His Kingdom extends from sea to sea (Isaiah 11:9). All authority has been given to Christ in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:18-20)

you share this vision for the future, your family cannot afford to miss American Vision’s second annual Worldview Super Conference. Our theme is Preparing This Generation to Capture the Future. Please take a moment to read the brochure and discover why this conference is perhaps the most important date on your calendar in 2007.
For His Kingdom,

Gary DeMar
President of American Vision and
Host of the Worldview Super Conference




tropicalstorm answered on 05/21/07:

ENJOY it!

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madddawg asked on 05/20/07 - Joseph Smith smoking

The first school of the prophets was held in a small room situated over the Prophet Joseph's kitchen.... When they assembled together in this room after breakfast, the first they did was to light their pipes, and, while smoking, talk about the great things of the kingdom, and spit all over the room, and as soon as the pipe was out of their mouths a large chew of tobacco would then be taken. Often when the Prophet entered the room to give the school instructions he would find himself in a cloud of tobacco smoke. This, and the complaints of his wife at having to clean so filthy a floor, made the Prophet think upon the matter, and he inquired of the Lord relating to the conduct of the Elders in using tobacco, and the revelation known as the Word of Wisdom was the result of his inquiry (Journal of Discourses, vol. 12, p.158).

Was Emma's displeasure that caused Joseph's Smith's revelation banning tobacco?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/20/07:

could you be saying that God used Emma to speak to Joseph Smith?

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arcura asked on 05/20/07 - These are not the average photos one sees.

Have you see many like them?
Go here................

http://hytaipan.home.comcast.net/different_photos.htm

tropicalstorm answered on 05/20/07:

cute:)

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Dark_Crow asked on 05/19/07 - Our purpose is the Creator's purpose

comments

tropicalstorm answered on 05/19/07:

so DC you are saying that our purpose is the creators purpose but the creator is evolution? So what is my mission to evolve to? Would be nice to know some details on my purpose here!
thanks!:)

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peddler2 asked on 05/19/07 - My neighbor is a Mormon-What should I do?

After meeting Ronnie moving before he sets my house on fire might be the best move. He wants to murder his atheist neighbor. He likes atheists and hates Christians. Wonder what he has in mind for me?

Your thoughts?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/19/07:

Peddles
YOU have it easy my neighbors have a revolving door at the jail

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hOPE12 asked on 05/18/07 - BTW: This is to set matters straight in a loving way.

First, I only need appproval from God and as far as Jehovah Witnesse using the Internet, we are cautioned to be careful because of all the negative messages and porn on the Internet. We can use the Internet, to prove this to some who believe otherwise, the Society has a Website at http://www.watchtower.org. Why would they have a website if JW's can't use the internet? Many Jehovah Witnesses use the internet in business, do research and even speaking to people on forums like this one.

We just don't get rude and put others down because they are different. We do not have the right to judge others as to if they are approved by God or not. The Judgement should be left to Jesus Christ, not those who feel they are higher then Jesus.

As for "Fred and Hope applying what my post about being a Christian says." I just wanted to say that that post was for each one of us to apply it to ourselves, not to the other members around them.
After all NOONE is perfect, not one of us.
Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/18/07:

I know you can use the internet with some rules (cautions) but I thought it was sort of like some Churches that say you aren't allowed to go to other churches pf other denominations.
That they don't want you mingling with what they call Christiandom.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/18/07 - Pyramid Power ........................


What place has "Pyramid Power" in Christianity?



tropicalstorm answered on 05/18/07:

As far as Christianity and the Bible I don't see it there as Ceebee and Frick seem to.

BUT my understanding of the pyramids is they do have mysterious significance and powers just like the moon with the tide and the stars with their earthly influences. The pyramids were built to line up with astronomical, and I believe astrological, powers as well.
I believe they were either built during Nimrods time with the Tower of Babel.

OR

They were built before the six day creation
(which Peddles doesn't comprehend on how
I can believe in the old earth gap theory AND the six day creation and NOT evolution when it is quite simple)


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peddler7118 asked on 05/17/07 - Fred,is this Christian?

The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood-was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/18/07:

Just replying so I can save it as a fine example of Perkie at his best!

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madddawg asked on 05/17/07 - Elijah and Elias

"Doctrine and Covenants, section 110 quotes Joseph Smith as saying he saw both Elijah and Elias (verses 11-13) Who were these two men?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/18/07:

Elias and Elijah two different people, when they are in fact one and the same.

?

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Dark_Crow asked on 05/17/07 - As a Christian, can I be Christ-like and still claim to be a National Socialist?....................

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tropicalstorm answered on 05/17/07:

Have no idea why you would want to be
BUT where you been and How you been??

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Ch.Pétrus.82 asked on 05/17/07 - fascinating font!!

http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre09creationnotes.html

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tropicalstorm answered on 05/17/07:

Thanks Pete
It was interesting
Peddles will love the -young earth- link

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/17/07 - Family Tree / Genealogy - good news from Zion!

80 billion family files to go online

LDS Church plans to be history 'clearinghouse'
By Carrie A. Moore
Deseret Morning News

In what officials say will be a quantum leap forward in providing family history information online, the LDS Church has announced a plan designed to eventually help provide access to as many as 80 billion family records on the Web, in addition to the tens of billions of records it is currently indexing out of its own Granite Vault microfilm archives.

The new Records Access program is being announced this week at the annual meeting of the National Genealogical Society (NGS) in Richmond, Va. The announcement details specifics of how the church is creating partnerships with various archives and other records depositories in a move to become the world's premier international "clearinghouse" for family history.

The first cooperative project under the new program will be to digitize and index U.S. Revolutionary War Pension records with the National Archives in Washington, meaning anyone with ancestors who served in that war will soon be able to access details about that family member online.

Steve W. Anderson, manager of marketing for the church's FamilySearch.org, said the church is working to arrange agreements with commercial Web sites and genealogical organizations worldwide to provide digitizing, indexing and online posting for billions of records, many of which have never been indexed at all, let alone been available online.

"Archives all have two things in mind: preservation and making records available," he said. "When push comes to shove, they would rather preserve them than share them, but most would like to do both."

The church is forming agreements with organizations to help film or digitally image their collections, which can be posted on an organization's Web site, as well as on FamilySearch.org. In some cases, FamilySearch will simply provide a link to a specific organization's Web site, where a small fee for access will be charged to view the records.

The program "recruits volunteers from around the world to index a batch of records at a time. They transcribe those pieces of information — names, dates, locations, marriage, death and birth dates — and make an index that allows the record to be searched by name or place or event," Anderson said.

The project not only will provide "vital statistics," but by imaging the documents, users will be able to pull up a digitized image of the actual record itself. "That's a whole different experience, to see an image of the original document," he said.

The program provides the flexibility necessary to work with small archives as well as giant repositories, he said. It helps those without any resources to complete the entire imaging, indexing and online posting process, and those with more resources who may simply need help posting information online or driving traffic to their Web site.

Once the church has signed an agreement to work with a specific organization, personnel there "typically want to recruit their own patrons to help them index. But with imaging the documents — taking digital photos of them — we do that for them in almost all cases. ... They want preservation-quality digital images, and we do that better than anybody. We've been doing it for decades," to produce the 2.4 million rolls of microfilm that now reside in the church's Granite Mountain near the mouth of Little Cottonwood Canyon, Anderson said.

FamilySearch can also put indexing projects in progress on its Web site, where volunteers can help index public collections of records. The Revolutionary War records are a "perfect example. We're doing the imaging, posting on our site and will recruit volunteers to help index." An online family history Web site called Footnote.com will create electronic indexes of the records and host the actual images there for public access.

The indexes and images of those records will also be viewable at LDS Family History Centers, as well as at FamilySearch.org.

Anderson said "numerous other national and international projects" of a similar nature are now under development and will be announced as agreements are signed or data is published.

As a result of the "affiliate arrangement," Anderson said FamilySearch.org will "have all the indexes for everything. You can think of it more or less like a Google — you go there to find the source of information you're looking for. Sometimes we're the source, and sometimes a third party is the source."

At least one or two similar agreements are expected to be announced this week in Virginia, Anderson said, noting several of the church's family history specialists are presenting at the conference this week.

While some Web sites may eventually use their information as a money-making enterprise, as commercial family history companies now do, Anderson said the church is not charging partners to help them make their records available.

Church officials have been looking to form such partnerships "for some time now," Anderson said, but have had to push forward the development of technology that would allow it to happen with "the way we scan, photo, transfer and archive. Because some of the necessary technology wasn't available, we had to develop it ourselves."

Working with a scanner producer, the church helped develop high-speed scanners that can scan a roll of microfilm in "a couple of minutes," as opposed to an hour or more that traditional scanners required.

New software developed to process that information into images and make it ready for processing, as well as to manage the warehousing of such huge information banks, also had to be created, Anderson said. "Almost every step of the way, there were significant engineering projects or hardware that needed to be developed."

Now that the technology is in place, the Records Access project will mean "at least 20 billion unique new names that will be in those records (to be posted online), but I'm not uncomfortable saying it could be 80 billion." That's compared with a total of about 5 billion names now online, he said.

The new technology and resulting "affiliate" agreements through FamilySearch will "fundamentally change people's ability to find their ancestors and connect with their families online. It's just going to be a real watershed event," Anderson said.

E-mail: carrie@desnews.com

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Do you have your family tree?


tropicalstorm answered on 05/17/07:

I hope it works better and has more information than the other ones on the internet. I couldn't find much of anything on there just a bunch of non related people in Virginia, but I tried the free stuff so......

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Toms777 asked on 05/15/07 - Simple Single Cells

Can anyone suggest a plausible explanation as to how these came to be?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/15/07:

Hebrews 11:3 (NKJV) By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

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frick asked on 05/15/07 - Tom777

Tom, as an objective observer (and no fan of MS), you simplyu have NOT answred her question.

Every time she (or anyone else) asks you to prove the existence of God - which you have REPEATEDLY said you could prove - you NEVER answer. You only come up with a question in response!!

You are losing ANY credibility you may have had.

Tom, if you have an answer to the question, and if you can answer the question without responding with a question, THEN DO SO.

Otherwise, admit you can't.

Many here are waiting for you, but you are disappointing all with your constant avoidance of the question.

Answer or get off the pot!!

tropicalstorm answered on 05/15/07:

Like I said you can not 'prove' God IF you could it would nullify faith. Either you believe or you do not and no amount of convincing can change that!
Jhn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

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Ch.Pétrus.82 asked on 05/14/07 - To daft Tom

Tom:

Do you not yet understand the meaning of the word "agnostic"?

I have nothing to prove and a lot to learn!!

Your stiff-necked bigotry, your bullshit and your apparent blindness does not help me!!!!

Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 05/14/07:

That is one of the things I like about you Pete you are not one extreme or the other but question things and your simple approach right to the point when you say IDIOT
MAKES life a lot more easy than the craziness some seem to strife about!!!

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HANK1 asked on 05/14/07 - MOSES:



Moses said the length of our days is 70 years. What's your explanation for this 'announcement?'

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 05/14/07:

They say more people are starting to live to 100. They say that in about 30 years people will be living to about 120. SO that means ya'll stuck with me until 2070!!!!!!!

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HANK1 asked on 05/10/07 -
Another Serious Question:



What is the process by which people experience religious conversion?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 05/10/07:

for religious conversion you realize that you do not agree enough with your church doctrine and find a denomination more suitable.
For a spiritual conversion you read your Bible, pray, seek God and ask that your 'spiritual eyes' be opened to God.


(Still awaiting peddles definition of religious)

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HANK1 asked on 05/10/07 - Serious Question:



What is religious commitment? (Use any definition of RELIGIOUS that you wish)

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 05/10/07:

Being religious is man reaching out to God
Being spiritual is accepting God reaching YOU!

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hOPE12 asked on 05/10/07 - Follow up on married couple.


Hello everyone,

Here are what I see, and by the way, I know them both and know both sides of the issue.
I have been counseling them both together.
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BTW Belle, You stated:

Clarification/Follow-up by belle33 on 05/09/07 12:21 pm:
seems there is an ol cliche about women lieing on the couch, eating bon bons, and reding crotch novels. I think he wants your pity or something of yours.”
My reply to your comments:
It is true belle, he and his wife came to me for counsel. He does want something,
“Counsel to help him make the right choices.”

************

Here is what I get from their situation and by what both tell me.

1- He was a drunk. He started studying the Bible and stopped drinking. While he was drinking she separated from him. Then when he stopped drinking, she saw this and invited him to come home again.

2- He felt that because of still being married said he would give it a try. He told me it is the right thing to do before God.

3- After being home for a few days, his wife still was seeing some other guy, because his 6 year old daughter brought him the telephone when it rang and it was the guy she was seeing when they were apart.

4- She feels he is owing her because of his drinking and if he had not been so drunk all the time they would have never separated.

5- He said that he take responsibility for his drinking and is doing his best to control it and even went to AA meetings for two years. I can say that is true because it is through our congregation that we all took turns going with him and gave him support. Just as we gave his wife support and helped her with the children.

6- The problem seems that she can not forgive him for getting drunk and she is showing him that she is angry by placing demands that are really very hard for him to meet. He works full time sometimes even 45 hours or more on a secular job, and does the chores around the house, and takes his responsibilities.

7- She also works full time and when she comes home feels she does not need to do anything else because he needs to pay for his actions from before. She also does not like him studying the Bible because she feels it takes away from his time to do things for her and the kids.

8- He feels that studying the Bible is what has helped him to stop drinking and has helped him to be a better husband and father. He feels that she is demanding too much of him and he is really getting stressed out.


I would like some input on how you personally would counsel someone with a problem like this and where both the husband and the wife come to you for counsel. What would you tell them? How would you direct both so as to help both. They both need help. What advice or direction would you suggest so as to maybe help them see their situation more clearly.

I have been counseling them both for 2 years now. Here are the steps they both have taken:

The wife:
1- She did not like him drunk and rightly took steps to stop it.
2- She proved to him she can manage everything with out him.
3- She does not study the bible but comes for counseling and vents her frustrations.
4- She is a good mother and loves her children and took great care of them while he was in rehab.
5- I really feel she loves him but –yet is still very angry with him and because of that she places more demands on him.
6- Is she seeing another man, I do not know, but she does speak to her friend she was seeing while they were separated.


The husband.
1- He stopped drinking
2- He studies the bible and tries to live by the counsel from it.
3- He loves his children and his wife very much..
4- Brought his girl friend that he was seeing and in front of me and my Husband, told her in a tactful way he can no longer see her because he was going back to his wife.
5- He has been in the past suicidal, he took a gun to his head and was going to kill himself when his wife separated from him, but since he stopped drinking has not mention killing himself again. Does he still have suicidal ideas? I don’t know.

Now can you see my problem as the one they are looking to help for. I do not want to hurt either of them. She is angry still, and rightly so. He was not a good husband when he was getting drunk. I can not tell if she is seeing the other man or not, because she claims to only speak to him on the phone. I can not assume she is doing anything wrong, I can only believe what she says.

As to him, well he has changed and stopped drinking. He says he loves his wife and kids, yet can’t take her demands. Should he be patient with her because it was his fault to start with which caused them to be separated? Should she be more forgiving of him? What would you tell these two to help them both?

I am walking on egg shells with this situation because I don’t know everything that takes place, only what they both say and what I can see with my own eyes knowing them both. What could I tell them that would help both of them. After all they are both important and whatever choice they make will influence the children’s well being.

You guys gave some opinions and suggests:
1)This one I really loved was AlAnon meetings.. That was a great suggestion because it will help them both.
2) Another was that she needed to be free from her boy friend and stick to her husband.
3) He needs to be patient with her.
4) They both need to talk and find forgiveness in their hearts.



Please think about this post, even read it through once or twice. I feel very responsible in giving these two the best advice I can so they both can benefit. Any suggestions would be welcomed and very much appreciated.

Thank you,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/10/07:

I still stand by everything I said.
I could tell she feels bitterness and unforgiveness towards her and feels
he owes her. I know way too many women like that!
Unfortunately as long as she holds on to holding the past against him their relationship is not going to go anywhere she needs conselling for herself and her attitude on how to have a better perspective on things and to realize that she is going to drive him to drinking if she wants it to be a me, me, thing.
Maybe an ultimatium would help, like him saying,
YOU accept me like this reading the Bible
OR you DON'T have me back
OR would you rather I start drinking?


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PrinceHassim asked on 05/09/07 - Bigots CAN Change ..................................................


http://www.MormonConverts.com

"Something Stirred Inside of Me"
By Mark Davidson


I have believed in God my entire life. Actually, from
my point of view, I have believed in God and in Jesus
Christ longer than my mortal body has known life. But,
having grown up in a household that at least was
familiar with Jesus, and having been going to Church
all of my life, when I was 9 year old, a commercial I
saw on television peaked my interest.


It was a commercial made by the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints. I remember clearly the entire
dialog of the commercial, and I remember my dad's
reaction when I asked him if we could visit that
Church. "That's not a Church, Mark. It's a cult." Case
closed? Not really.

____________________

That Strange 'Cult'
____________________

There were numerous occasions throughout my childhood
that questions arose about that strange "cult" that I
wasn't supposed to visit. I remember watching the movie
at Church called "The Godmakers" when I was 12. If
you've never seen that movie, I don't recommend it,
unless you like spiritual pornography. It painted a
very disgusting and untrue view of the Church and of
Church members.


However, I didn't know any better than to believe it. I
became a hardcore anti-Mormon at the age of 12. I went
on to teach seminars on the subject when I was a
teenager. I would pick fights with LDS missionaries
when I saw them walking or riding their bikes down the
road.


I tried to "witness" to an LDS friend of mine when I
was 13, and he gave me a Book of Mormon. I skimmed
through it and said a half-hearted prayer, just so I
wouldn't be lying when I told him I did what he
challenged me to do.


I continued throughout high school wanting to engage
Mormons in debate. I wanted LDS missionaries to come
and give me their best shot, but my older brother said
it was a sin to even let them in your home because they
brought evil forces with them. So, as much as I wanted
to, I never got the whole message straight from the
horse's mouth, so to speak.


I was a very outspoken Christian in high school, and
went on to Free Will Baptist Bible College where I was
surrounded by lots of people who believed the same way
I did about Mormons.

______________________________________________

The Spirit Touched My Heart At Temple Square
______________________________________________

After my second year of college, I went with my singing
group all over the country, and that included Salt Lake
City. We got a tour of the temple square and Visitors
Center there, and something stirred inside of me. I was
way too scared to share that feeling I got there with
any of my friends, but it was the Spirit.

I did not act on it, though. I buried it. I returned to
Nashville and to school that fall to work on my degree
some more. After school, I took a ministerial position
in Texas. I had some very bad experiences there working
under the Pastor of the Church.


He left such a bad taste in my mouth that I packed up
in the middle of the night and went back to Nashville.
My world and my idea of what Christianity was all about
had been completely turned upside down and it was time
to regroup.

_________________

Time To Regroup
_________________

So, I went to work full time at Ford Credit in
Franklin. There, I found out that a supervisor that
worked nearby me was LDS, and he was a returned
missionary. I began having friendly debates with him,
and then one day I was prompted to ask him to send the
Missionaries over to teach me what they call the
"Discussions," which is a 6 step presentation of the
basics of the LDS faith.

I was ready to have a Bible bash with them at first,
but my friend requested that I remain respectful and
open to what they had to say. I knew that I wasn't
going to be converted. Even if I felt that what they
said was true, it would mean so many changes. It would
mean that everyone I knew and had gone to school with,
and also many family members would probably disown me.


It would mean that I would no longer be considered a
Christian by nearly all other Christians that I knew or
would ever meet, and would probably be subject to
persecution.

____________________

I Sincerely Prayed
____________________


When all was said and done, I sincerely prayed to our
Father in Heaven, in the name of His Son Jesus Christ
to know if the Book of Mormon were really the Word of
God, and if Joseph Smith had been a prophet that God
had used to restore many things that had been forgotten
and lost for a long time.


The Spirit testified to my soul that those things were
true. I then concluded that, with that foundation, all
of the rest of the teachings and doctrines must be
true. It was just a matter of stepping out on faith and
knowing that God would help me understand them.
I knew that I had to be baptized into the Church, even
though it meant all of those things that I feared. It
was the right thing to do, and it would be sin to me if
I hadn't.


The bottom line is, many Christians don't even want to
know the truth about the teachings of the Church. They
come from so many preconceived notions of what they
were taught and what their fathers and grandfathers
believed that they won't give it a fair chance. In my
opinion, that is pride and it is a sin.


If more people truly wanted to know if there was
something more for their eternal soul than what they
are already aware of, I truly believe more people would
investigate the LDS teachings and would conclude
through earnest prayer that it the Church is true.

By Mark Davidson



tropicalstorm answered on 05/09/07:

I agree with the The bottom line is, many Christians don't even want to
know the truth about the teachings of the Church. They
come from so many preconceived notions of what they
were taught and what their fathers and grandfathers
believed that they won't give it a fair chance. In my
opinion, that is pride and it is a sin.
BUT ADD if it is not pride it IS complacency.
I have always said just because your grandma told you you are Christian doesn't make you one
Just like me hanging out in garages never made me a mechanic!

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arcura asked on 05/09/07 - The was poster on a blog by Jason Easley........

Bigotry in politics is nothing new, but here is the latest.
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By Jason Easley
I am sure that many people have already heard about the remark that the Rev. Al Sharpton made about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney while he was debating atheist author Christopher Hitchens at the New York Public Library’s Beaux-Arts headquarters on Monday. During the debate Sharpton said, “As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don’t worry about that; that’s a temporary situation.” A spokesman for the Romney campaign said, “It is terribly disheartening and disappointing to hear Reverend Sharpton offer such appalling comments about a fellow American’s faith. America is a nation of many faiths and common values, and bigotry toward anyone because of their beliefs is unacceptable.”

Though, instead of apologizing, Sharpton accused the Romney campaign of trying to drum up sympathy for their candidate. He accused the Romney people of engaging in a, “blatant effort to fabricate a controversy to help their lagging campaign. In no way did I attack Mormons or the Mormon Church when I responded that other believers, not atheists, would vote against Mr. Romney for purely political reasons,” Sharpton said. What? Sharpton’s explanation makes absolutely no sense at all. He said those who really believe in God will defeat the Mormon. To me, this implies that he feels that Mormons really don’t believe in God. In an interview with the AP yesterday, Sharpton backed off his comments, just a bit, “What I said was that we would defeat him, meaning as a Republican,” Sharpton said. “A Mormon, by definition, believes in God. They don’t believe in God the way I do, but by definition, they believe in God.”

Romney himself has tried to take the high road in all of this. “I don’t know Reverend Sharpton,” he said. “I doubt he is personally such a thing, but the comment was a comment which could be described as a bigoted comment. Perhaps he didn’t mean it that way, but the way it came out was inappropriate and wrong,” said Romney.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/09/07:

sharpton has never apologised for anything
he says he doesn't have to because he had to pay fines instead which he doesn't even pay
google
Al Sharpton and
Tawana Brawley
The Duke LaCross players
Freddies fashion mart
just to name some

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hOPE12 asked on 05/09/07 - Can you give your opinion?

Hello Everyone,

I have been working with a 33 year old man, he had a drinking problem. Recently he has gotten that under control with AA and counseling.

His wife had left him and when she noticed his drinking was under control and that he was studying the bible and trying to get his life back on track, she kept inviting him to visit her and the kids. He has one 6 year old daughter and a 13 year old son.

He decided he would try to get back with her for the sake of the children and because in God's eyes he felt it would be a good step to take. He made a date with his wife for dinner and they talked and he went back on a trial basis.

Now his wife wants him to stop studying the bible and to do the dishes and laundry and cook and take care of the kids and work a full time job as a machanic. He tries to be affectionate but she is not loving towards him at all. While they were apart, they were both unfaithful and now he knows that is wrong and he wants them to try to make it work. His wife is still speaking to some guy on the phone.

He asked for some counsel that will help him to handle the situation. I came up with a few but wanted to get some views on the matter so as to give him the correct view.

My question is, How would you all handlle such a situation if someone came to you for counsel with his problem?

All are welcome to give their opinion. I will appreciate all opinions.

Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/09/07:

sounds like she wants him back on her terms only----HER convenience.
The Bible says what GOD put together let no man put asunder. BUT what someone told me one time was DID GOD put you together IF you got together drunk at the bar or in some other way that wasn't necessarily GOD putting it together.
He gave it a shot to get back together and God knows his heart but if she isn't going to mutually respect a give and take relationship they could get back together for maybe a year maybe two and it most likely will be rocky because she sounds like she is controlling. I have know many controlling wives or girlfriends and it isn't good for the guy.
So I say he did his part at an attempt and now he should just move on. What good is getting back together for the sake of the kids when the kids can see the tension and so forth it just gives them a bad idea/negative attitude toward relationships in the long run. I stuck with my x for the sake of the kids for about 4 years TOO long and it DIDN'T accomplish A SINGLE THING!

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peddler2 asked on 05/08/07 - The Temple of the God makers

Satan's Children

tropicalstorm answered on 05/08/07:

sounds like rituals of man to me
(to each their own)

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/08/07 - CREDENTIALS - What "Dr" Walter R Martin said ............. ...


On one of his radio programmes, "The Bible Answer Man," Nov 14 1984, KANN, Ogden, UT, renowned anti-Mormon "Dr" Walter Martin commented on the importance of verifying credentials. One telephone caller said that a preacher had come to his town and set up a trailer across the road from his house. The preacher was making his way across the country preaching the gospel. The caller asked whether Martin had heard of him. Martins response was:

"No, I never heard of him ... There are all kinds of people like this running around the country saying that they preach the gospel. Do you know what I do when I run into people like this? I start asking them for their credentials. I want to know who they are, where they came from, what schools they went to, what their training was, and if they get very tesaty, then I say, 'Look, you can't train me and you can't teach me if you don't know anything, and I want to know where you got what you have.' Well, that pretty generally cuts them off because most of them don't know anything."

What were "Dr" Martin's credentials?
Who was he?
Where did he come from?
What schools did he go to?
What was his training?

Some years ago, I wrote to the Christian Research Institute that was founded by Walter Martin. I asked in oplain and straightforward them for the details of each of the degrees Martins claimed to have been awarded.

I received a reply from CRI stating that they couldn't understand what information I wanted.

I wrote back listing the degrees Martin claims to have, and asked them when he attended each of the schools he named, what subjects he took, and what degrees he was awarded. I was asking the same questions that Martin says he asks Christian preachers in the belief that as he expected others to present their credentials that he and his organisation would be just as free to give out information as Martin had been to demand it of others. They never responded!

The reason they did not respond is because they knew that Martin - who laid the groundwork for much of the anti-Mormon attacks, disinformation, and bigoted lies that continue today - had told lie after lies about who he was, where he came from, the schools he attended, the degrees he was awarded, and even the fact that he was an ordained Baptist minister, all of which is a matter of verifiable records available to the public.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/08/07:

I watched some of, I think it was his series, on witchcraft. While I think most of it seemed right I think a good bit of it seemed exaggerated to put it mildly.

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JacquelineA2006 asked on 05/08/07 - please tell me what you think....


A friend of mine named Robert who also wrote the blood got into an argument with me last night. i am still pissed off because i know i was right but he would not stop arguing with me. he wanted me to agree with him. he told me that this co-worker that works in my department is a slut. i do not care for her very much but i told him he is not much of a christian if he is calling someone a slut. your not suppose to judge others and it says that right in the bible and he told me that i was wrong! no one else can judge you except for God and it is not for him to judge want someone else does.

he had the nerve to tell me a couple of weeks ago that i am not a Catholic because i have not been to Church in a couple of years. that does not mean i am not a Catholic. i am not a practicing Catholic but to say i am not a Catholic was just not right. i am going to start going to church again thou.:)

tropicalstorm answered on 05/08/07:

It isn't worth arguing over. Everybody is entitled to their opinion and if she is a slut then he was calling a spade a spade.
Some people just tell it like it is (or at least how they think it is).
If she isn't a slut then he is wrong but arguing with him only creates more problems and all you will probably accomplish is him not talking to you or at least not telling you things he thinks might cause a problem but he most likely will still say those things to others anyway.

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hOPE12 asked on 05/07/07 - Holly

Hello Holly,

Thank you for clearing the issue of me being you, holly. I had a feeling it was you but didn't want to push the issue. Your admitting the truth was really very kind. Thank you.

I wonder if I will get any apologies for being accused of being you and hiding under the name of holly?????

Thank again holly,
Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/07/07:

Yeah you get my apologies. If I had known Joy was getting back into JW I would have most likely figured that if it wasn't you then it might be her but I had no idea and I knew it had to be a person that is on the board.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/07/07 - Did God order Joseph Smith to be a whore?

There is another piece of evidence you might consider in examining Joseph Smith's sexual behavior. The following excerpt is from a love letter Joseph Smith wrote when he wanted to arrange a liaison with Newel K. Whitney's daughter Sarah Ann, whom Smith had secretly "married." It reveals Smith's cloak-and-dagger approach to his extramarital affairs:

"... the only thing to be careful of; is to find out when Emma comes then you cannot be safe, but when she is not here, there is the most perfect safty. ... Only be careful to escape observation, as much as possible, I know it is a heroick undertakeing; but so much the greater friendship, and the more Joy, when I see you I will tell you all my plans, I cannot write them on paper, burn this letter as soon as you read it; keep all locked up in your breasts, my life depends upon it. ... I close my letter, I think Emma wont come tonight if she dont, dont fail to come to night, I subscribe myself your most obedient, and affectionate, companion, and friend. Joseph Smith."
- Joseph Smith Handwritten Letter,

Ann Eliza Young, who had been married to Brigham Young, charged that Joseph Smith was guilty of adultery: "Joseph not only paid his addresses to the young and unmarried women, but he sought 'spiritual alliance' with many married ladies... He taught them that all former marriages were null and void, and that they were at perfect liberty to make another choice of a husband. The marriage covenants were not binding, because they were ratified only by Gentile laws.... consequently all the women were free....
"One woman said to me not very long since, while giving me some of her experiences in polygamy: 'The greatest trial I ever endured in my life was living with my husband and deceiving him, by receiving Joseph's attentions whenever he chose to come to me.'
"This woman, and others, whose experience has been very similar, are among the very best women in the church; they are as pure-minded and virtuous women as any in the world. They were seduced under the guise of religion,...
"Some of these women have since said they did not know who was the father of their children; this is not to be wondered at, for after Joseph's declaration annulling all Gentile marriages, the greatest promiscuity was practiced; and, indeed, all sense of morality seemed to have been lost by a portion at least of the church." (Wife No.19, 1876, pages 70-71)

tropicalstorm answered on 05/07/07:

Gee and here I thought my crack-ho hood invented the whos'urdaddy generation.....
are you sure about this Peddles?

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holly_ asked on 05/07/07 - I'm A Native American?

The Book of Mormon is a religious and secular history of the inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere from about 2200 BC to about 421 AD. It tells the reader that the American Indians are descended from three groups of immigrants who were led by God from their original homes in the Near East to America. One group came from the Tower of Babel, and two other groups came from Jerusalem just before the Babylonian Captivity, about 600 BC. They were led by prophets of God who had the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is thus preserved in their history, the Book of Mormon. Many of the descendants of these immigrants were Christians, even before Christ was born in Palestine, but many were unbelievers. Believers and unbelievers fought many wars, the last of which left only degenerate unbelievers as survivors, who are the ancestors of the American Indians.

Please now, lets get real, and don't hate me for asking this question, but after reading many of Peddlers Post's on Mormons, are they for real?
And as a Native American, what am I?
This stuff is frightning me, am I bad Indian or a good one, how can I tell?
And why do people believe in a simple man, because in all reality, this is who that Joe Smith was' no better that you or I?

I much rather believe in the Bible, the true word, than that of any other book.
Thank you experts.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/07/07:

Holly,
It would have been nice if you had said you were Joy and were starting to believe the JW's again.
Joy you don't have to worry about what your ancestors in the past might have been because you are you and you know your heart.
Choux is right, they say the Native Americans came across the strait from the Orient to Alaska and then down through America.

God Bless you
sapph

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Pete. asked on 05/07/07 - What do you think of this website?

http://www.satansrapture.com/index.htm

tropicalstorm answered on 05/07/07:

He seems to have summed up the church of today pretty well. I looked through it real quick and it seems like maybe he should have a little more of what he believes and how it compares to what the church today believes.
I am saving it to read through it better cause he might just have it pretty right.
I always did believe the rapture as the church didn't seem right and if there was a pre trib rapture it wasn't for ALL THE CHRISTIANS TO ESCAPE BUT the ones that had been perfected which would be very very limited.


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arcura asked on 05/06/07 - Another "famous" atheist spouts off....................

So-called freethinker Susan Jacoby atheist writes in the Newsweek/Washington Post log, “The church has still not given up trying to force its version of morality on other Americans.”
I noted that she did not mention the method or instrument used to do that forcing.
I also noted that she did not make it a balance objective statement by admitting that she and her ilk were trying to impose their secular views on the most religious nation in the developing word.
Question:
Do you think that atheists are ever going to be honest and admit that they are trying to impose their agenda on others?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/06/07:

I'd reply but I have to zipper my mouth

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HANK1 asked on 05/06/07 - Correct and Proper:


What is your definition of RIGHT or something that is correct and proper in our Western culture? When in life did you determine the difference between right and wrong? (Don't ask me to give you a definition of either. You know what I mean)

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 05/06/07:

IT WAS INSTINCT FOR ME FROM THE TIME I WAS LITTLE NOBODY HAD TO TEACH ME BUT WITH MANY THEY NEVER LEARN AND OTHERS THEY MAKE THEIR OWN RULES.
THEN AFTER I CAME TO REALLY KNOW GOD I REALIZED THERE WAS A BIT MORE BUT I WAS BASICALLY ON THE RIGHT TRACK :)

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CeeBee2 asked on 05/06/07 - Let's take a vote. I received this rating response

from hOPE12 today -- "I have read them and they tell lies and false facts. hOPE12".

It sounds to me like no matter what Tom says and how well he says and proves it from the Bible, hOPE12 won't accept it 1) since it comes from Tom with whom she has always disagreed, and 2) since she has her mind already dead-set against even considering any teaching other than one that comes from the Witnesses. She doesn't even dare remark that Tom has a point or maybe wants to know more about something he said. If she does, her house of cards may be in grave danger of falling, and she would feel like she is denying everything she believes.

So, I hereby propose this for your consideration:

We here at AW's Christianity Board respect the rights of both hOPE12 and Toms777 to embrace the beliefs that most satisfy and fulfill them spiritually. We have thus come to this vote:

Vote No, if you wish this particular discussion to end, as it seems to be going nowhere and just uses up board space. Comments are welcome.

Vote Yes, if you think there are still possibilities in this particular discussion - that either hOPE12 or Toms777 might open up to each other's way of believing. Comments are welcome.

Vote Maybe, if you are undecided and think the discussion is at least interesting and has given you food for thought. Comments are welcome.

Abstain. Comments are welcome.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/06/07:

if she doesn't want to even figure out what it is others believe even if she doesn't want to believe it herself why is she wasting time asking? I understand many things others believe that I don't and
I don't act like it is something I don't understand or something I refuse to figure out cause it goes against my beliefs.
I figured it was something she was trying to make more complicated because she hated the idea to even try and figure it out. I replied to her twice that there has been enough that we have said that she should go over it and grasp some of it. If she can't even understand what I said about the Bible saying a man and a woman become one flesh and it being a mystery (yet they are one)
then she won't ever get it. She is stuck in the idea that God was not in heaven when Jesus was on earth if they are one.

so my vote is no

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HANK1 asked on 05/05/07 - Did they really live that long in Genesis?



According to Christian Apologetics, they did:


"So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years, and he died, (Gen. 5:7).
So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years, and he died, (Gen. 5:11).
So all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years, and he died," (Gen. 5:14).
"So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years, and he died," (Gen. 5:17).
"So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years, and he died," (Gen. 5:20).
"So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years, and he died," (Gen. 5:27).
"So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years, and he died," (Gen. 5:31)."

How is it possible for people to live that long?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 05/05/07:

The earth wasn't polluted, didn't have toxins and the food was much more nutritious then. Our food now has dead enzymes for the most part.
In the sixties people laughed at the idea of people living to even a hundred years old now they say that within the next 30 years people will be living to 120.

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paraclete asked on 05/04/07 - Now here is a really profound question



How will you spend eternity?
Smoking or Nonsmoking?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/04/07:


BUT A course this would be nice

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MarySusan asked on 05/04/07 - NRA Against Law to Prohibit Sale of Firearms to Terrorist Suspects

AP WASHINGTON — "The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.

Backed by the Justice Department, the measure would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.

In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."

"As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote."....

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Do you side with the NRA?

tropicalstorm answered on 05/04/07:

I agree with ceebee. There are enough gun laws the problem is that they are not followed as they should be. If someone wants a gun they will get it just like people get illegal drugs.
Then you have the problem of mental health places and so forth have to keep everything confidential like with the Virginia Tech shooter. They said the school, mental health and students and others realized he had a serious problem but most of them were bound by confidentiality rules.

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HANK1 asked on 05/04/07 - A Christian Post:



Kindness always overcomes unkindness. You cannot compel a nasty, vicious person to change his/her ways through your own kindness. Thinking you can leads only to physical or psychological abuse. In most cases, it makes more sense to walk away. But behavior is often reinforced by its immediate results. IF YOU REPAY NASTINESS WITH NICENESS, YOU'RE SIMPLY ENCOURAGING THE PERSON TO CONTINUE BEING NASTY.

EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO COURTEOUS AND FAIR TREATMENT.

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 05/04/07:

Most people know I am a facetious sarcastic smart ass and I get along with most everybody fine.
I might get smart with people but most people know how to take me and laugh it off.
I try not to be ignorant or nasty with anybody unless they really really push me but until then I am most likely kidding around (BTW how is the air compressor working?) Life is too short to be nasty or get offended and just because someone doesn't believe the way you do or are different in some way doesn't mean you should treat them rudely.

Corinthians 9:21-23 (New International Version)

21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings. (Which does NOT mean to sin to be like the sinner)

Often I can even get away with my ethnic jokes. Like big black guys laugh and tell me you is alright girl when I tell them my jokes.

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MarySusan asked on 05/04/07 - Book Review Number One in a Series

Some people here enjoy reading in a wide range of subject matter in religion. As a service, I'm going to post book reviews going forward that relate to Christianty in some manner, not necessarily against it.

The first book review is by an atheist, since I am a non-believer, so, for your pleasure:

The Atheist Manifesto by Michael Onfray.

Book review: "This tightly argued, hugely controversial work convincingly demonstrates how the world's three major monotheistic religions-Christianity, Judaism, and Islam-have attempted to suppress knowledge, science, pleasure, and desire, often condemning nonbelievers to death. If Nietzsche proclaimed the "Death of God," Onfray starts from the premise that not only is God still very much alive, but increasingly controlled by fundamentalists who pose a danger to the human race. Documenting the ravages from religious intolerance over the centuries, the author makes a strong case against the three religions for demanding faith, belief, obedience and submission, and for extolling the "next life" at the expense of the here and now. Not since Nietzsche has a work so groundbreaking and explosive appeared to question the role of the world's dominant religions."

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Enjoy!

tropicalstorm answered on 05/04/07:

in case you don't read Toms post
here is what I posted that I read on yahoo answers, but it wasn't explained right there.

Actor Kirk Cameron and best-selling author Ray Comfort will square off with two atheists in New York on Saturday, May 5. ABC originally planned to stream the 90-minute debate LIVE on their website, but decided to reschedule the broadcast to capture a larger audience. They will broadcast the entire debate on ABC.com on Wednesday, May 9 at 2:00 p.m. EST. The debate will be moderated by Martin Bashir, and on May 9 a shortened version of the debate will be aired on Nightline also on Wednesday 9th.

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hOPE12 asked on 05/04/07 - Follow up on the Trinity for Tom777

Hello Tom777,
This is what the New King James Bible says tom. Your copy of the Bible that you use.
Please be so kind to explain just these three scriptures so they make sense. Answer just these three question. Don’t quote a whole bunch of stuff, just be simple and to the point.

1)Matthew 3:17 (New King James Version)
17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
If Jesus is God, did he use Ventriloquism to say this? How did he do this Tom777? Please explain in a logical way why Jesus if God would say: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” I did not use my copy of the Bible but yours tom. New King James Version.
2)
The disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God
himself.
1 Timothy 2:5 (New King James Version)
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Since by definition a mediator is someone separate from those who need mediation, it would be a contradiction for Jesus to be one entity with either of the parties he is trying to reconcile. That would be a pretending to be something he is not. Please explain. Also why would Jesus if God be a mediator between himself? Would he ask a question to himself and then answer it? How does this mediator part work?

3)
What about Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane? Notice the New king James Version:

Mark 14:32-36 (New King James Version)
32 Then they came to a place which was named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 And He took Peter, James, and John with Him, and He began to be troubled and deeply distressed. 34 Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch.”
35 He went a little farther, and fell on the ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him. 36 And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.”

Luke 22:39-43 (New King James Version)
39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him. 40 When He came to the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.”
41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

If Jesus is God then why would he pray to himself? Also if Jesus was God there would be no need for him to call himself “Father, and then say: ““ if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

Now if Jesus is God why would he pray to himself to please= remove the cup from him? Could he not have removed it himself?

If Jesus is God then would not he have the same will?

And if Jesus was God why would he need an inferior spirit angle to strengthen him? After all is not God more Powerful then and angel? If we are to believe that Jesus is God, then you are saying that the angel that God created is stronger then God himself? How can that be?

Please answer these question logically and simply and to the point and from the Bible. Then maybe I might listen to you Tom777. Until then, the Bible printed pages say it all.

Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/04/07:

Hope from what I understand Toms is saying they ARE THREE distinct individuals with three distinct functions, but they are tri-une
just like a triangle has three corners to it BUT it is ONE triangle.
The way he explains it though sounds very confusing.

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Toms777 asked on 05/04/07 - Response to hOPE re Trinity


hOPE's comments in red
1)Matthew 3:17 (New King James Version)
17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
If Jesus is God, did he use Ventriloquism to say this? How did he do this Tom777? Please explain in a logical way why Jesus if God would say: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” I did not use my copy of the Bible but yours tom. New King James Version.

I already explained this to you on March 22 and then earlier today so why you are asking again, I do not know. But let me just add to what I said earlier that we have one person of the trinity speaking to another person of the trinity in various places in the Bible. Here is another:

Heb 1:5-8
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
"You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You"?

And again:

"I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son"?

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

"Let all the angels of God worship Him."

7 And of the angels He says:

"Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire."

8 But to the Son He says:

"Your throne, O God,
is forever and ever;
NKJV


2)
The disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God
himself.
1 Timothy 2:5 (New King James Version)
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Since by definition a mediator is someone separate from those who need mediation, it would be a contradiction for Jesus to be one entity with either of the parties he is trying to reconcile. That would be a pretending to be something he is not. Please explain. Also why would Jesus if God be a mediator between himself? Would he ask a question to himself and then answer it? How does this mediator part work?

Let’s read 1 Tim 2:5:

1 Tim 2:5-6
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
NKJV

Now let’s have a look at it in the wider context:

1 Tim 2:1-7
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle--I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying--a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
NKJV

Let’s look at 1 Tim 2:3 more closely:

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yes indeed God is our Saviour. We know that Jesus is our Saviour (John 3:16) so this clearly shows Jesus is God. We find that stated elsewhere in scripture as well:

2 Peter 1:1-2
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
NKJV

So we know that Jesus is God. How many gods are there?

Isa 44:8
Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.'"
NKJV

So Jesus is the one true God. Yet we know that there is God the father and the Holy Spirit who are also God, thus we have the three persons of the trinity. Being separate persons of the trinity, Jesus is able to mediate between God and man, and further he is uniquely qualified having walked with us on the earth as the Son of Man and the Son of God:

Heb 4:14-16
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
NKJV

This is more than enough to make the point, but let’s yet look at the other two verses:

Gal 3:20-22
Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
NKJV

This verse simply emphasizes what has already been said and further emphasizes that there is only one God.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
NKJV

Again, this just emphasizes Jesus’ role as our high priest and advocate.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
NKJV

An interesting verse. When one denies that Jesus is God, they are indeed denying the true God, and indeed denying the one true God which includes the Father and the Son as two persons. In so doing, anyone who denies Jesus is God or denies the Father and the Son are God is said to be of the “antichrist”. This is a warning that we dare not ignore.

So if we have three distinct persons, then there is no issue with respect to your concerns. One person can act as the mediator, and another as the Father.

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What about Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane? Notice the New king James Version:

Mark 14:32-36 (New King James Version)
32 Then they came to a place which was named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 And He took Peter, James, and John with Him, and He began to be troubled and deeply distressed. 34 Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch.”
35 He went a little farther, and fell on the ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him. 36 And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.”

Luke 22:39-43 (New King James Version)
39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him. 40 When He came to the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.”
41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

If Jesus is God then why would he pray to himself? Also if Jesus was God there would be no need for him to call himself “Father, and then say: ““ if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

Now if Jesus is God why would he pray to himself to please= remove the cup from him? Could he not have removed it himself?

This was addressed when I answered the question about praying to himself earlier. If you want me to make this longer by copying and pasting it again, i can, but unless you ask, I will assume that you can read the answer that I gave on March 22 and then earlier today.

If Jesus is God then would not he have the same will?

This is a good question. Why would gthat be? Because again, to be a perfect man, God came to earth manifest in the flesh. As a man, He had to be subject to the same temptations as the rest of us:

Heb 4:14-16
15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
NKJV

He was fully man and fully God. While on earth as a man, He became the perfect man, a man who did what the rest of us should have done and that is submitted Himself fully to the Father. The fact that He has a distinct will is only because He is a distinct person. But in no way did His will differ from the Father because He wholly submitted His will to the Father.

And if Jesus was God why would he need an inferior spirit angle to strengthen him? After all is not God more Powerful then and angel? If we are to believe that Jesus is God, then you are saying that the angel that God created is stronger then God himself? How can that be?

Phil 2:7-9
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
NKJV

Note. He did come with our weakness, but humbled Himself. he chose to come with all the weaknesses of men so that He would be one of us. Don't forget that Jesus had the glory of God previously:

John 17:5
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
NKJV

But willingly humbled Himself to become a man. He did not cease to be God, but put aside His glory so that He could live and suffer as one of us.

The Bible pages do indeed say it all.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/04/07:

Hope from what I understand Toms is saying they ARE THREE distinct individuals with three distinct functions, but they are tri-une
just like a triangle has three corners to it BUT it is ONE triangle.
The way he explains it though sounds very confusing.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/03/07 - Saints in Protestantism .......




Since the advent of Protestantism in the 16th century, the relations between various instituted churches and their Roman Catholic parentage has brought about the usage and regard for various historical Saints within Catholicism to be regarded as Saints within Protestantism as well. Notable is the usage of Saints in Anglicanism that combines "via media" approach with a unique concepts of apostolic succession that asserts both similarities and differences with Catholicism.

If you are a Protestant, do you use saints in your devotions, prayers, etc?


tropicalstorm answered on 05/03/07:

why go THROUGH someone instead of going to the source?

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arcura asked on 05/03/07 - Could it be possible that some atheists go..............

to heaven?
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I just got done reading an interesting article by a self described former evangelical theologian who said that virtuous atheists may go to be with God.
Atheists who do not reject God by just live without Him virtuously that is.
Do you think that God is so loving that he would that an atheist who lived by natural law (you know, the right to life, liberty, no stealing, lying, etc.) that He would take that atheist to be with Him after death of the body?
Personally I do not know, BUT, I do hope so.
I very much favor peace and kindness.
Your comments please,

tropicalstorm answered on 05/03/07:

atheists who do not reject God are not atheist that is like calling someone with NO paint brush a painter. Anybody who out right rejects God can not be with God.

what you are describing is simply someone who has never known of God.

I want to reply to this better when I find the verses, right now too busy.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/02/07 - Parallelism ... is any Bible expert familiar with the Hebrew ...




.... literary device known as parallelism? If so, could you/they explain it?



tropicalstorm answered on 05/02/07:

Does this help?
words of two or more lines of text are directly related in some way. This feature can be found in any poetic passage, and sometimes even in narrative, although it is more common in the Psalms and Proverbs.

Recognizing parallelism as a poetic feature can sometimes aid in understanding or interpreting a passage. For example, the use of parallelism usually means that the message of the text is in the larger passage and its overall point or impact rather than individual words or single lines. Also, specific words that may be ambiguous or used in unusual ways can be clarified or more narrowly defined by seeing them in the context of a parallel structure.

The following types of parallel structure are attempts to organize this feature of Hebrew poetic writing as an aid to reading and study. It should be kept in mind that Old Testament writers were very creative, and a great number of variations and combinations of these basic types occur in the biblical text.



I. Synonymous-the second line repeats the first in different words having the same meaning.
Psalm 19:1-2The heavens are telling the glory of God;
and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
}
Synonymous

Day to day pours forth speech,
and night to night declares knowledge.
}
Synonymous



II. Synthetic- the second line (or following lines) adds to the first
Psalm 24:3-4

Who shall ascend the hill of the LORD?
And who shall stand in his holy place?



He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
who does not lift up his soul to what is false,
and does not swear deceitfully.
}
Synthetic


III. Antithetic- the second line contrasts with the first.
Psalm 73:26

My flesh and my heart may fail,



but God is the strength of my heart
and my portion for ever.
}
Antithetic


IV. Climactic- successive lines build to a climax or summary.
Habakkuk 3:17-18

Though the fig trees do not blossom,
nor fruit be on the vines,
the produce of the olive fail
and the fields yield no food,
the flock be cut off from the fold
and there be no herd in the stalls,
}
Building

Yet I will rejoice in the LORD
I will joy in the God of my salvation.
GOD, the Lord, is my strength;
}
Climax/Summary


V. Eclectic- combination of different types interwoven.
Habakkuk 1:2

O Lord, how long shall I cry for help,
and you will not hear
} Synthetic
}
Synonymous

Or cry to you "Violence!"
and you will not save?
} Synthetic


Another feature that is sometimes included within the idea of parallelism is the use of several words or a series of words to refer to the same thing for emphasis. For example, the well known passage of Deuteronomy 6:5 uses a series of three words: "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might." Here the terms heart, soul, and might do not refer to separate parts of a person, but are actually synonymous, referring simply to the person (see Body and Soul: Greek and Hebraic Tensions in Scripture). This also exhibits another poetic feature of Hebrew literature in which references to a single part of something represents the whole (e.g., "from Dan to Beersheba, " 1 Sam 3:20, means the whole country of Israel, from north to south). Here the emphasis is clearly on loving God totally and fully.

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Professor asked on 05/02/07 - TTFNUAS -



What is Hank's modus operandi? Please be specific. I'm beginning to like this person. Seems as though he has most of you jumping through rings!

People on all Q & A sites use aliases at one time or the other. That's why I drew that conclusion, Tropicalstorm. Do you agree?

You said you want Hank to be Hank. Why should he be Hank if all that is posted about him is defamation and lies? If I was him, I'd stay away from here. I see no need to participate. Nothing constructive - just crap.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/02/07:

Well I like Hank, sometimes his methods to his maddness are a little peculiar though!

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MarySusan asked on 05/02/07 - Are You an Intellectual?

PriceProlix considers himself an *intellectual* per a response to paraclete. :D

Memorizing minutiae does not an intellectual make; nor does explicating volumes of religious material within a closed system unrelated to Reality.

tropicalstorm answered on 05/02/07:

yeah I agree I could memorize a whole book of trivia and I don't think it would make me an intellectual ---or very edumacated---
BUT you know me I prefer being a facetious sarcastic smart ass!

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Professor asked on 05/02/07 - The Third Heaven -



What does it mean when the Bible refers to the Third Heaven?

Your Professor

tropicalstorm answered on 05/02/07:

What does it mean when the Bible
refers to the Third Heaven?

At the time of ancient Israel they did not have as complete an understanding of the universe as we do today. So they wrote in terms they were familiar with. The Jews spoke of three heavens. The first heaven consisted of the the earth atmosphere where the clouds and birds were. The second heaven was where the sun, stars, and moon was. The third heaven was the dwelling place of God. When Paul said he was caught up to the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2), he was referring to the very dwelling place of God.
As a note, the Mormons erringly teach that the three heavens consist of telestial, terrestrial, and celestial. They divide them into compartments dwelt by people after they die.

The First Heaven: Earth Atmosphere

Deut. 11:17 -- Then the LORD's anger will burn against you, and he will shut the heavens so that it will not rain and the ground will yield no produce....
Deut. 28:12 -- The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands.
Judges 5:4 -- "O LORD, when you went out from Seir, when you marched from the land of Edom, the earth shook, the heavens poured, the clouds poured down water.
Acts 14:17 -- "Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons;...
The Second Heaven: Outer Space

Psalm 19:4,6 -- In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun... It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other;...
Jeremiah 8:2 -- They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens which they have loved and served....
Isaiah 13:10 -- The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light.
The Third Heaven: God's Dwelling Place

1 Kings 8:30 (phrase repeated numerous times in following verses) -- then hear from heaven, your dwelling place...
Psalm 2:4 -- The One enthroned in heaven laughs; The LORD scoffs at them.
Matthew 5:16 -- In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.
The highest heaven, the third heaven is indicated by the reference to the Throne of God being the highest heaven:

1 Kings 8:27 -- "But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you.
Deut. 10:14 -- To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.

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hOPE12 asked on 05/01/07 - Money, Money, Money!

Hello Everyone,

There is a list of things one might do if they where to come into a lot of money. What would you do and why? Please pick two choices because that is all you have.

1- Quit you job and see how you can help others.
2- Spend more time with the family and friends.
3- Travel and party daily.
4- Take up a career that you could not afford before and become richer.
5- Become even richer by investing and paying off debts so as to gain more money.
6- keep enough to live comfortable and give the rest to other who need it.
7-Continue with your life the way it is because of being content and satisfied with what you have, give out the money to others poorer then you.
8- Spend time and the money on helping others learn about God.
9- Bank it and live on what I already have for emergencies.
10- Be so happy I would forget who and what I stand for.
11- drink it up.
12- spend it on things I don't need but want.
13- Feed the poor.
14- Build houses for those without homes.
16- help those who are sick to get better medical care.
17- Travelto see how other live and their culture.
18- Do medical research.
19- change your values in life.
20-Would remember the harm that love of money can bring and remember to keep a simple and balance view of money and the use of it.

Remember you can only pick 2 things. This is a quiz to help each of us to know the kind of people we really are on the inside. The two choices will tell each one something about themselves.

Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 05/02/07:

1- Quit my job and start a place where I can help others to help themselves
2- Spend more time with the family and friends.
3- Travel
4- Take up a career that you could not afford before and become richer.
5- Become even richer by investing and paying off debts so as to gain more money.
6- keep enough to live comfortable and invest the rest to help others who need it.
8- Spend time and the money on helping others learn about God.
9- Bank enough to live on and for emergencies.
16- help those who are sick
20-Would remember the harm that love of money can bring and remember to keep a simple and balance view of money and the use of it and that it is fact that most people who become millionaires on the lottery are broke within a couple years due to mismanagement of their money

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kindj asked on 05/01/07 - To the Christians on this board

(if there are any left):

For the few years I've been on here, I've had occasion once in a while to post my thoughts about all the dissension, squabbling, and insulting of our brothers and sisters who share our faith. If you haven't had an opportunity to read any of those, I'll be happy to post my thoughts again.

Some revolutionary many years ago made a comment along the lines of "If we don't hang together, we'll hang separately." Or something like that, anyway.

While I believe that each and every one of us is accountable for our own actions in the eyes of God, we are also the only living, breathing examples the world sees of the power and impact that Christ has had in and on our lives.

What a pitiful example I've seen, both in the world and on this board. Before you rush to condemn me for being judgmental or hypocritical, I count myself in that group also.

In the interest of keeping this short and not boring anyone to tears, I'll leave you with a short and simple quote from Francis Schaeffer:

“Our relationship with each other is the criterion the world uses to judge whether our message is truthful—Christian community is the final apologetic.”

Think about this for a night or so, will you?

DK

tropicalstorm answered on 05/01/07:

kindj
I always enjoy reading everything you have to say on here!

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Professor asked on 05/01/07 - What's going on?


I have noticed that a non-believer named Mary Susan gives black stars consistently! Why is this? Do experts on this board give her black stars when she posts or answers something anti-Christian? Isn't there an atheist board at Answerway? I don't know if I'm going to like it here! Quite a bit of disension.

Your Professor

tropicalstorm answered on 05/01/07:

You know the saying, Like it or lump it?
If you wanna be here you gotta take the good, the bad, the ugly and which ever way the board goes.
Maybe she can give you one of her post meno posts to break you in!

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madddawg asked on 05/01/07 - the oxygen effect:

A few years ago, Tyrell Museum of Paleontology had the following information on one of their displays:
“Life as we know it depends on oxygen in the atmosphere. That oxygen wasn’t always there. We believe now that it is a byproduct of early life. In a paradoxical interdependence, life needs oxygen and oxygen itself needs life.”
Scientifically is this possible, or is this another example of, once upon a time, in a land far, far away...

tropicalstorm answered on 05/01/07:

Maybe he knows something we don't?
But of course life cannot exist without oxygen!
So did you ask him if he knew which day oxygen was created CREATION DAY 2 3 OR 4

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MarySusan asked on 04/30/07 - Guess What

My new senior social worker from a nearby wealthy suburb social service agency asked me at her home visit today if I would write an article about seniors on the internet for their quarterly newsletter. How about that!!??

Would some of the seniors here here give me some info about what you like about being online and how it benefits your life. I can incorporate that into my article about my "friends" on the Internet. I do mention you guys to those who visit me. Surprise!! Feel free to contact me here or privately if you wish to share your feelings and opinions. :):):)

Thanks in advance!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/30/07:

maybe you could include some differences/conveniences that you see from life pre internet and after the internet.
Like how it broadens your chances of meeting and sharing with more of a variety of people. Often people say to me how can you trust anybody on the internet. I tell them that you met the same on the street in everyday life because the people here are just as real with the same problems, the same feelings, the same needs etc.
In fact, I think I would trust some of you here over many people I meet on the street if it came down to it.
I can imagine you explaining this crew LOL!

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/30/07 - Are all these Christian folk Freemasons? Tom says they are!


Check out htis Christian graveyard .....



What does Tom know about obelisks?

Didn't he learn ANYTHING that was TRUE on his Coven Sabbat?


tropicalstorm answered on 04/30/07:

I looked up Christian obelisks and from what I could tell at a quick glance and to me it doesn't look any different than Christians accepting Christian holidays tied in with
Pagan ones or many other things that Christians accept as 'their religious traditions'

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Delilah asked on 04/29/07 - Who might you be?


I am a Christian Goth and I would like to thank you for this site. I like Goth especially for the clothes, but also for the music and because my Goth friends are the most real people I know. Will you be my Goth friend?

Delilah

tropicalstorm answered on 04/29/07:

I don't know much about Goth. My daughter dressed Goth for awhile but she didn't get really into it like many people do. The Goth kids I have known were really good kids.

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HANK1 asked on 04/27/07 - INTERPRETATION:



Worse than making a mistake is making a mistake and NOT learning anything from it. The most valuable lessons that you can learn in this life are often the RESULTS of the mistakes that you make. Be they mistakes regarding your health, your work or your heart, they only become valuable IF you learn something from them. Turn those mistakes into newfound knowledge! Mistakes that are studied and understood often grow into wisdom.

What have your mistakes taught you?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/27/07:

my mistakes have taught me to stay in the house, don't answer the door, IF you do lie to whoever knocks by telling them you are fresh out or its broke and DO NOT under any circumstances for any reason go anywhere. BUT I can't live my life like that SOOOO...............

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peddler2 asked on 04/27/07 - Our rights

On the first day of school, with permission of the school superintendent, the principal and the building supervisor, she took all of the desks out of the classroom.

The kids came into first period and there were no desks. They obviously looked around and said, "Ms. Cothren, where's our desk?" And she said, "You can't have a desk until you tell me how you earn them."

They thought, "Well, maybe it's our grades."

"No," she said.

"Maybe it's our behavior."

And she told them, "No, it's not even your behavior."

And so they came and went in the first period, still no desks in the classroom. Second period, same thing, third period too. By early afternoon television news crews had gathered in Ms. Cothren's class to find out about this crazy teacher who had taken all the desks out of the classroom.

The last period of the day, Martha Cothren gathered her class. They were at this time sitting on the floor around the sides of the room. And she says, "Throughout the day no one has really understood how you earn the desks that sit in this classroom ordinarily." She said, "Now I'm going to tell you."

Martha Cothren went over to the door of her classroom and opened it, and as she did 27 U.S. veterans, wearing their uniforms, walked into that classroom, each one carrying a school desk. And they placed those school desks in rows, and then they stood along the wall. And by the time they had finished placing those desks, those kids, for the first time I think perhaps in their lives, understood how they earned those desks.

Martha said, "You don't have to earn those desks. These guys did it for you. They put them out there for you, but it's up to you to sit here responsibly to learn, to be good students and good citizens, because they paid a price for you to have that desk, and don't ever forget it."

Friends, I think sometimes we forget that the freedoms that we have are freedoms not because of celebrities. The freedoms are because of ordinary people who did extraordinary things, who loved this country more than life itself, and who not only earned a school desk for a kid at the Robinson High School in Little Rock, but who earned a seat for you and me to enjoy this great land we call home, this wonderful nation that we better love enough to protect and preserve with the kind of conservative, solid values and principles that made us a great nation.

"We live in the Land of the Free because of the brave."
Please remember our Troops!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/27/07:

Nowadays that teacher could have been accessory to a serious problem.....
if they happened to of needed the desks to hide under.

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Toms777 asked on 04/25/07 - Bible Conference

I won't be able to be on here as much over the next few days - there is a great Bible conference coming up that I will be attending this weekend. Speakers include Roger Oakland and Ray Yungen.

It should be a great conference!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/25/07:

Never heard of them

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peddler7118 asked on 04/25/07 - The lesson of Job.

By Douglas W. Phillips
April 17, 2007
Today, the nation mourns the senseless murder of thirty-two men and women who were gunned down in cold blood. The slaughter of students at Virginia Tech constitutes the largest campus killing spree in American history. The murderer was a fellow student, twenty-three-year-old Cho Seung-hui of South Korea. Though little is currently known of his motive behind the murders, it is clear that his plan was calculated and carefully executed. The assault was premeditated and thorough. Doctors report that not a single victim had fewer than three bullet wounds.
Thousands will be deeply affected, probably for the rest of their lives. The most serious pains belong to the mothers, fathers, and sisters and brothers of the murdered victims. What shall we say to them? What are we to learn from these events?
First, we must remember the answer to the question “why?”
When people ask: “Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?” or “How can such a terrible thing happen?”, we must point them to the fundamentals. First, all of us deserve death and all of us will die. The only question is when will we die, and what will be the state of our eternal soul at that time. Every breath is a gift of God. None of us deserve it. We have no rights or demands we can make to our Creator. In fact, apart from Christ, we stand condemned to a fate far worse than physical death — eternal punishment. And there is a reason for all of this. God is God, and we are His creation. Understanding the distinction is everything. He sets the rules. He determines what is just. And His plan is always good, even when we do not understand it. Not only is He a loving and kind God, but He is also infinitely just. This justice has implications for man. It was God who created the world and man “very good.” But man sinned against an infinite and holy God. The penalty for this sin was physical death. Because of man’s sin, all of creation became subject to death. Our bodies and the world around us die and groan as a reminder and a punishment for our rebellion before the Lord. Everything would be supremely hopeless, but for one important truth: Though the wages of our sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus. It took an infinite, perfect, and holy sacrifice to atone for our sin against an infinite, perfect, and holy God. Christ was that sacrifice. This means that all whom the Father calls, and who repent and believe in Christ, shall not perish but have eternal life.
Thus, the question is not, “why did God allow the tragic death of these students,” but rather, “why does He allow any of us to live.” We deserve death. Every breath of life is a gift. It is only by His grace and mercy that we live and breathe and have our very being. He is our Creator and He is just to determine the beginning and the end of our existence. Beyond this, we must remember that even the tragedy of death is part of the eternal plan of God to bring glory to Himself. The fact that we do not understand the infinite purposes and counsels of the Triune God only means that we are creatures and need to trust Him. That is why He has given us His Holy Word. The Bible is the revealed mind of Christ for man. It reminds us that all things — including the murder of the innocent — work together for good to those that are the called of God. It cautions us to flee to God while we yet have life. It reminds us that the victory of Christ is greater than the grave itself. It warns us that without Christ there is no hope whatsoever. When we see the horror of death, we must be convicted of sin and flee to God. We must be emboldened in our sense of urgency to communicate to others the only source of hope from death. We must treasure the preciousness of life as God’s sacred gift, and we must wisely invest in meaningful Kingdom work this brief whisper of an opportunity called — our life.
Second, we must acknowledge that the rise of community violence is a judgment of the Lord. Our nation has broken covenant with the God of our fathers. We have forsaken the law of God and have worshipped before false idols. We have sacrificed our children, not only spiritually and intellectually to the high priests of a new secular religion in our government schools, but have quite literally sacrificed baby boys and girls to the gods of convenience in the abortuaries of America. One out of four Americans is not here because they were aborted by their mothers.
The modern trend toward school killings must be considered in terms of the hopelessness and evil which is being communicated to the children of this generation through the music culture, the entertainment culture, the sexual culture, and the intellectual culture of evolution and meaninglessness — all of which converge in modern schools. Our children are being taught the Gospel of evolution and man. It is a religious faith that ultimately teaches that transcendent truth does not exist and that life is meaningless, being the product of chance. Why are we surprised when the present generation acts upon the logical implications of this false gospel? If we do not see the connection between this false faith and the culture of death, we are blind bats, or willingly ignorant. The answer for us as a people is repentance and restitution, which begins by turning from our sins and reclaiming the ancient paths of the Lord wherein there is hope.
Third, the worst response to school murders that our politicians could make would be to further disarm the American citizenry. The heavy death toll may in part be attributed to past legislation making it difficult for citizens to carry side arms. If even one of the students in that university had been armed, Cho Seung-hui could have been stopped. A strong case can be made that in a violent society like our own, it is the duty of every Christian man to be armed such that he is ready, willing, and able to come to the immediate aid of his neighbor in the face of the ruthless behavior of lawless men. We have one of two futures — a police state full of regulation and controls, where only the state and criminals have access to guns, thus leaving most women and children defenseless to evildoers, or an informed and well-armed population, which is, to my mind, the surest safeguard against lawless men.
Fourth, every tragedy is an opportunity God gives to reflect glory and honor to Him. We give glory to Him as we reach out to others and lead them to the great Comforter. Now is the time for Christians to reach out in love to those who are in unimaginable pain, as well as those who are just shell-shocked by the horrible news. There is a time to mourn with those who mourn, and this is that time. Let us mourn, love, and encourage — and let us give God the glory-even death.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/25/07:

I have been noticing a pattern of suicide killers and how they do go to gun free areas to do their killing. Also there are many cases where someone did stop suicide killers because they happened to have a gun. The Trolley Mall is ONE of many examples.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/25/07 - Who gave Tom the authority ......


..... to pretend that he could read the Bible in Hebrew, and then make it say something it does not say just so he could try to win an argument with someone through deceit?

How does that work? Is he permitted to have a different standard of honesty than the rest of us Christians?



tropicalstorm answered on 04/25/07:

I am starting to want to see them post the original hebrew/greek with definition of how it is used and the source just so I know who is twisting what.

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hOPE12 asked on 04/25/07 - I have a serious question:

Hello Everyone:

My question is, according to the Bible only those who have been “born again,” can share in the heavenly prize. Does that mean that if one is not born again will see death?
Notice the below scriptures:
John 1:12-13 (New King James Version)
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
“As many as did receive him” does not mean all humans who have put faith in Christ? Notice who is being referred to, as indicated by verse 11 [“his own people,” the Jews]. John 1:11 (New King James Version)
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
The same privilege has been extended to others of mankind, but only to a “little flock.”


What will they do in heaven?
Revelation 20:6 (New King James Version)
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Now here is another question:
Can a person who is not “born again” be saved? What do you say according to the scriptures below:
Revelation 7:1-17 (New King James Version)
1 After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
5 of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;[a]
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6 of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7 of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8 of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:
“ Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, “Sir,[b] you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.[c] And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
Notice after John heard the number of those who would be “born again,” those who would make up spiritual Israel and would be with Christ in heaven;
Romans 2:28-29 (New King James Version)

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
Galatians 3:26-29 (New King James Version)

26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
After listing many pre-Christian persons of faith, Hebrews 11:39, 40 says:
Hebrews 11:39-40 (New King James Version)
39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
Who are here meant by “us”? Hebrews 3:1 shows that they are

Hebrews 3:1 (New King James Version)
1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,
Take note: “partakers of the heavenly calling.” The pre-Christian persons who had faith, then, must have a hope for perfect life somewhere other than in heaven, otherwise they would not have used the words “heavenly calling.” Everyone would have the hope of going to heaven. But this scripture shows that there was a different calling for some. What was that calling?
According to scriptures they speak of those who will possess the earth and reside upon it forever. Why are these scripture in the bible if everyone needs to be born again to enter into heaven. The question then arises, “Do all good people go to heave? Do all have to really be Born again” if their hope is to live on earth?
Note these scriptures:
Psalm 37:11 (New King James Version)
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Psalm 37:29 (New King James Version)
29 The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

Isaiah 45:18 (New King James Version)
18 For thus says the LORD,
Who created the heavens,
Who is God,
Who formed the earth and made it,
Who has established it,
Who did not create it in vain,
Who formed it to be inhabited:

“ I am the LORD, and there is no other.
Notice the earth was formed by God to be inhabited. That being said my question is if everyone who is saved is going to heaven, who will inhabit the earth?

Matthew 6:10 (New King James Version)
10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven


Why would God’s will need to take place on earth, if every good person is going to heaven and all bad persons are going to hell? Who and why would God’s will need to take place on earth and who will be here to do God’s will?

Is it possible for a person to have God’s spirit and yet not be “born again”?
Regarding John the baptizer, God’s angel said: Luke 1:15 (New King James Version)
15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.
And Jesus later said: Matthew 11:11-12 (New King James Version)
11 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

Why did Jesus say that the least one in the Kingdom of heaven is greater then he? Because John will not be in the heavens and so there was no need for him to be “born again”
The spirit of God was “operative” upon David and “spoke” by him 1 Sam. 16:13; 2 Sam. 23:2, but nowhere does the Bible say that he was “born again.” There was no need for him to be “born again,” because,
as Acts 2:34 (New King James Version)
34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

David did not ascend to the heavens.

To my understanding of the Scriptures:

Salvation and being “born again” are different and for different people; Being born again I believe allows these ones a very special privilege of being heirs with Christ, and have a heavenly calling. This is what I feel the definition of being born again means:

(Being born again involves being baptized in water (“born from water”) and begotten by God’s spirit (“born from . . . spirit”), thus becoming a son of God with the prospect of sharing in the Kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5) Jesus had this experience, as do the 144,000 who are heirs with him of the heavenly Kingdom.



Salvation is needed but different then being born again. Here is what my understanding of salvation means or being saved.

Preservation or deliverance from danger or destruction. That deliverance may be from the hands of oppressors or persecutors. For all true Christians, God provides through his Son deliverance from the present wicked system of things as well as salvation from bondage to sin and death. For a great crowd of faithful servants of God h living during “the last days,” salvation will include preservation through the great tribulation.

Just my understanding, please feel free to comment on anything said above. I will respond to all polite and respectful replies. Please don’t tell me what the Watchtower says, I am only quoting from the New King James Bible and what my understanding is. Please only comment on what I have personally stated above.

Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you all.
Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/25/07:

hope from what I read to your reply to PHA on what does it mean to be saved it seems like you have a pretty good grasp of what born again means.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/24/07 - According to Jesus Christ .......


..................... According to Jesus Christ what does a person have to do to be saved? According to Jesus?

Back up your answer from the scriptures, and no vague 'prooftexts' or mistranslations, etc, please.

What did Jesus say a person had to do to be saved?


tropicalstorm answered on 04/24/07:

Jhn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jhn 3:3-21 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Romans 10:9-10That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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MarySusan asked on 04/24/07 - Rational People

RESCUE THIS BOARD FROM THIS WARFARE AMONG "REAL CHRISTIANS", BWAH HA HA .....WHAT A BUNCH OF STUPID, ARROGANT BORES WITH BAD CASES OF VERBAL DIAHRRHEA AND THE **WILL TO BORE EVERYONE TO DEATH**, THAT IS, IF THEY CARE TO READ BULLSH*T.

STUPIDEST PEOPLE ON EARTH, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

GROW THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/24/07:

Is that the atheist prayer choux???:)

You deserve to be here as much if not more than many
ready fer that shuffle board game yet?

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MarySusan asked on 04/24/07 - Profitable Afternoon of Begging!

I am happy to report that I was successful in my "begging adventure" this afternoon. My Occupational Therapist was here this afternoon checking on my progress and setting a fire under my butt to finish the work we started last month. I have to get a fancy bath bench so I can bathe often, but Medicare doesn't pay for bathing equipment. I had a freakish accident several months ago..... anyway..... :D

So, I found an agency that will pay for my sophisticated bath bench to the tune of $113.13.

I have to thank all the social agencies in my area that serve the elderly and handicapped.

Happy Day!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/24/07:

more profitable than a day here.
My profitable day was I found a couple of really nice pieces of furniture that people were getting rid of.

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MarySusan asked on 04/24/07 - Is There Anyone Here...

who doesn't hate Hope and Tom for all the stinkin' boring posts they make everyone ignore???

Wake up you two, selfish, selfish, selfish!!!!!

Mary Sue

tropicalstorm answered on 04/24/07:

The sad thing is it doesn't amount to OR accomplish any more than this does------>



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revdauphinee asked on 04/24/07 - DNA vs The Book Of Mormon!

The Book of Mormon dogmatically teaches that the ancient israelites are the principal ancesters of moder day native Americans.But new discoveries in DNA researchcantradict that claim.In recent years ,thousands of native Americans from more than 150 tribes have been geneticaly tested to determine there ancestry.If native Americans as proven are not deccended from Israelites as the book of mormon claims then does not this prove that book to be untrue and unreliable .DNA presents clear and compelling evidence that even when pre columbian remains of native americans
was tested ,the DNA showed 100% asian ancestry was the origin.There is simply no indication of Hebrew or even middle eastern ancestry in the DNA of any native American s as the book of mormon claims Thus if this is a lie is not the whole book supect ???

tropicalstorm answered on 04/24/07:

Most of my friends are native american and none of them are Mormon. I don't know any Native Americans that are Mormon but my guess is that if a native american is mormon it is something they chose separate from being Native American.

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Toms777 asked on 04/23/07 - RESPONSE to hOPE

hOPE's Comments are in red
My Comments are in blue


hOPE, You said:

Click on your Name= Tom777
it will take to to you profile.
Click on blue that says additi0nal info of tom777,
then click of "answer archive" then it will have a remove button that allows one to remove any answer to a reply given. You can not remove a post but just a reply you have given.

But you already knew that, didn't you Tom777???

No, actualy I didn't, but it is interetsing that you did. Anyway, I noted two things. First, it does not appear to include clarifications, just answers - correct me if I am wrong on that. Second, as an experiment to see if it worked, I picked a very old post and tried it. Here is the one that I tried:

http://www.answerway.com/prevquesv.php?category=262&msection=0&quesid=1434&ansid=2695

After I did the remove function, I looked again, and all it did was remove it from my directory - it did not actually remove my reply. So I think that you have mis-understood the function of the feature.

Regardless, thanks for making me aware of it.

You, Tom777, are pathetic,
Thinking that your words will make us feel small.
Nobody cares what you say,
Everybody here will stand up tall.

Your words are just that:
Pathetic, hurtful but meaningless;
We are worthy human beings;
Are to important to, yes!

So take your insults, buddy,
And shove 'em where the sun don't shine!

Interesting that you accuse me of insults, and yet you cannot find any because I made none. And yet earlier you questioned my intelligence, told me that I cannot diasagree with you religion, call me pathetic, and make a rude suggestion as to what I should do.

I suspect that I used your definition of what is appropriate in how we should treat others, you would be considerably less happy with my comments.

Have you looked up the definition of the word "hypocrisy"?

Tom



tropicalstorm answered on 04/23/07:

Toms
looks like when you are wrong you are wrong and when you are right you are wrong
I'd say take Doms advice and shake the dust off your sandals!

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peddler7118 asked on 04/22/07 - Ronnie-Is this a fair source for LDS doctrine?

Over and over I hear the source is lying and you only present rabidly pro-mormom apologist. Would you condsider the official LDS website truthful?

LDS Scriptures

The Official Scriptures of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
© 2006 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
Rights and use information. Privacy policy.

Fair enough?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/22/07:

I couldn't find anything about becoming gods or eternally pregnant there. Didn't I look hard enough?

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arcura asked on 04/22/07 - How's that for an average?.......................

A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a
year.

Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of
beer a year.

That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon."


tropicalstorm answered on 04/22/07:

so it is cheaper to be a walkin' drunk than a sober driver LOL

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powderpuff asked on 04/22/07 - What about the others?

Is there something wrong with loving people even if they don't share the same faith based belief you hold for yourself? If you are sure you are right, is it ok to discard the value of those who reject your belief (since they are going to hell or you won't be seeing them in heaven anyway)? Could loving them, in spite of the differences in belief, do any harm to anyone? If you cast them aside, or try to insult them, are you increasing the chances a positive outcome? Is there a Christian answer to these questions?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/22/07:

Precisely! I keep saying all the downing others 'religious beliefs' only turns them off to hearing yours.

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Pericles asked on 04/22/07 - Religious Zealot Quiz


The following quiz is to test your ability to distinguish the rhetoric of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Usama bin Laden.

Below are 20 statements made by these individuals. See if you can identify who made each statement. Record your answers! I will post the correct answers in a couple of days!

  1. "In today's wars, there are no morals, and it is clear that mankind has descended to the lowest degrees of decadence and oppression."

  2. "America is polluting the whole world."

  3. "The government is com- mitted to supporting God's religion, the country remains a strong bulwark for religion, and the people are among the most protective of God's religion, and the keenest to fulfill His laws."

  4. "One-world opinion is tak- ing the side of the Palestinians, not the side of Israel."

  5. "There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world."

  6. "The government does not cease to cry over matters affecting religion, without making any serious effort to serve the interests of the religious community."

  7. "We are on the brink of our destruction, and if we do not awaken now, it will be too late. We have been victimized by traitorous behavior on the part of our leaders."

  8. "The media strives to keep the people occupied with minor matters, and to stir their emotions and desires until corruption becomes widespread among believers."

  9. "There is no way that a United Nations, treaties, or any other human instrument can bring about peace. Such things mean nothing when one nation desires the land and resources of another."

  10. "We have allowed ram- pant secularism.... We have insulted God at the highest levels of government."

  11. "One particular report described the gaps and the shortcoming in the philosophy of the government, the situation of the law within the country and the arbitrary declaration of what is lawful and unlawful regardless of divine law as instituted by God."

  12. "Priorities of spiritual work are lost while blasphemy and polytheism continue its grip and control. We should be alert to these atrocious plans carried out by the government."

  13. "America is in imminent peril... rotting from within."

  14. "The American people have put themselves at the mercy of a disloyal government, and this is most evident in Clinton's administration. The American government is leading the country towards hell."

  15. "The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

  16. "If America is not suffer- ing the irrevocable judgment of God, she is dangerously close.

  17. "Americans have com- mitted unprecedented stupidity. We anticipate a black future for America.

  18. "If the judges appointed by man will not deal with those who take innocent human life, then God is going to enter in and bring justice. And when that happens many of the innocent will suffer along with the guilty."

  19. "All these crimes and sins committed by Americans are a clear declaration of war on God."

  20. "A condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor."


tropicalstorm answered on 04/22/07:

2, 5, 10, 12, 18 sounds like Pat Robertson
14, 15, 20 Bin Laden
the rest sound like Falwell

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tomder55 asked on 04/20/07 - Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est

According to the most recent annual statistics from the Centers for Disease Control, there were 11,500 homicides committed by perpetrators using guns. There were 17,000 deaths committed by perpetrators using vehicles after consuming alcohol. Your chances of being killed by a drunk driver are much higher than being killed by a perp with a gun.

In the last decade, there were almost 180,000 (that’s 180 thousand) people killed in car wrecks where alcohol abuse was a key factor. In the same ten-year period, there were 110 students (including those at VA Tech) murdered on campus by psychopaths.

Perhaps the Brady Campaign and Democrats in Congress should set their sights on federal legislation mandating a five-day waiting period before purchasing alcohol. After all, many of the perpetrators who used guns instead of cars to commit homicide were also abusing alcohol.

Fact is, if we exclude gang-bangers and crack heads, the probability of being murdered in the U.S. is more in line with the oft-cited lower murder rates in Western Europe—but let’s not separate the wheat from the chaff.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/20/07:

I would be interested in a post on where civilians with guns detered killings like in the trolley mall. Virginia Tech was weapon free to the point security doesn't even have them. And if you notice places that are supposed to be weapon free are where seems to attract sucide killers. One radio talk show host runs through them but I don't remember them.

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STONY asked on 04/20/07 - IN HIS OWN WORDS...



This is a real wakeup call. Forward it if you agree,delete if you don't. It does not matter if he said it or not, it is right on.



JAY LENO." HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD"T

The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?



Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.



Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.



How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.



Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.



I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?



The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?



Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.



Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.

They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.


So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!



Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.



We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.



"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

Jay Leno

tropicalstorm answered on 04/20/07:

What we (at least me and many others) are unhappy about is media lies and political figures making decisions for us that do not pertain to them.
The do as I say and not as I do when they have no idea what it is like.
Most of politicans haven't even seen the inside of a grocery store let alone the prices. They live a different life!

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STONY asked on 04/20/07 - A LANDSLIDE DECISION...


In This Issue...

* Evel Knievel's Salvation Testimony Spurs Spontaneous Baptisms at Crystal Cathedral—500 to 800 Commitments & Rededications on Palm Sunday
* Feminists For Life Reacts to Supreme Court Ruling Upholding the Ban on Partial Birth Abortion
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Evel Knievel's Salvation Testimony Spurs Spontaneous Baptisms at Crystal Cathedral—500 to 800 Commitments & Rededications on Palm Sunday

"I just got on my knees and prayed that God would put His arms around me and never, ever, ever let me go."

Brad A. Greenberg/AH (April 19th, 2007)

One man's life touches so many others. We've heard that message conveyed countless times, from the movie, It's a Wonderful Life, to messages from the pulpit. And yet it's still a wonder when you see God change one heart which, in turn, affects hundreds of others.

That probably wasn't even a passing thought this past March, however, when the Lord suddenly broke into the life of famous motorcycle daredevil, Robert "Evel" Knievel. He knew that there were Believers who were actively praying for his salvation—he cites his daughter, ex-wife and their churches, along with the "hundreds" of letters Knievel had received urging him to trust God—but for 68 years, he had resisted calling on Jesus Christ as Savior.

According to an article in Christianity Today, (CT) sometime during Daytona Bike Week last month, Knievel's resistance finally gave way to belief. "I don't know what in the world happened. I don't know if it was the power of the prayer or God himself, but...the power of God in Jesus just grabbed me. All of a sudden, I just believed in Jesus Christ. I did, I believed in him! ...I rose up in bed and, I was by myself, and I said, 'Devil, you...get away from me. I cast you out of my life.' I just got on my knees and prayed that God would put His arms around me and never, ever, ever let me go." (Photo: Rev. Robert H. Schuller with Knievel on Palm Sunday—Courtesy of Crystal Cathedral)

One thing apparently led to another, and after a visit by Rev. Robert Schuller, who baptized Knievel, he eventually found himself giving his testimony at the Crystal Cathedral on Palm Sunday.

According to the CT report, Rev. Schuller (who took over last year for his retired father) could see from the people's reactions to Knievel's testimony that this would be no ordinary service. Deviating from the normal script, and transition into the offering, Schuller went up front and said, "I believe there is somebody who needs to be baptized here. Maybe up on that balcony or by that door or by that wall. So come forward." (Photo: Knievel is baptized—courtesy of Crystal Cathedral)

Then Schuller, with the help of four other pastors and a "candy dish" of water, walked from person to person who had moved to the front, crying while baptizing them and going on to the next one. The spontaneous response went on for 30 minutes, and then continued in the next service. In all, between 500 to 800 people were estimated to have made first time, or recommitments to the Lord.

After undergoing some difficult times of late, the church had reportedly been praying for the congregation and the community, though not necessarily for revival. Schuller candidly adds, "Our congregation and church keeps saying, 'Okay, where do we go from here?' I'm not exactly sure. But I think the Holy Spirit will assist me in the doing the right thing."

The Palm Sunday service, featuring Evel Knievel's testimony and the mass baptisms, will be re-aired this week, on April 22nd.

To read the full CT article, follow the link below.

Source: Christianity Today

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tropicalstorm answered on 04/20/07:

can metal make it to heaven? ;)

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clere asked on 04/19/07 - God or No God ??????????????

At a loss to understand Pericles rejection of a reply I made to his question earlier, how about this?

The believer cannot prove the existence of God.

The non-believer equally cannot prove the non-existence of God.

To say that the onus of proof is on the believer is to frame the question in a way that the believer (some believers) reject. One cannot "prove" something that is outside the parameters of "provability".

The non-believer faces the same dilemma. The argument that a negative cannot be proved is an acknowledgement that the non-believer position also cannot be proved!

If there is a God, certainly her/his existence is not subject to being contained within a human construct of logic.



tropicalstorm answered on 04/20/07:

That is pretty much what I have been trying to get across to him with my dna creation question. How can they say a negative doesn't have to be proven? If it is a negative and the negative is given credit for something then how can the explanation of it be a negative that doesn't need explanation. Perk makes the rules as he goes along--to his advantage of course!

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hOPE12 asked on 04/18/07 - Hello Everyone:

Please read this post with the love and respect it was written with before jumping at me.

Just this week in Virginia Tech, a very young man of the age of 23 just lost it and killed 33 people. Why? Maybe this board has the answer to that question. what do I mean?

Well, we raise children to respect others and yet we ourselves show little respect toward those we disagree with or find to be different from what we personally feel everyone should be like. We constantly fight on this board with each other. I AM INCLUDED IN THE WE!

This board is for the discussion of Christianity and is for all people not just Christians. Some claim to be a Christian and yet the conduct is not befitting any follower that Jesus would have even near him, little lone his disciple! This board is not just for Christians but for all who wish to take part in any said discussion on this board.

Conversations on this board usually go something like this:

1- The Watchtower from 1920 's said.............blah blah blah. Are you born again yet? Did you accept Jesus as your saviour? You are going to burn in hell if you are not born again.
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If I did or didn't is none of anyone business, is it? My relationship with y Creator is between me and my Creator. It is not anyone business on this board or anywhere in this world how I choose to serve my God.
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Here is another example:
2- Hey you atheists, why not go some where else to another board. We Christians need to not talk to those atheists. They curse and lie and blah, blah, =-blah.
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I again say this board is for all people not just Christians. Infact some atheists on this board behave better then some Christians. Any claiming to follow Jesus Christ would welcome all people from all walks of life. After all didn't Jesus say at Matt 24:14 we are to speak to all people? Jesus didn't just die for Christians you know.

I will say this though, those who some argue with and call atheists such and Domino, Pericles, Pete, MarySue, are some of the nicest people on this board. So what if they choose to be an atheist. Are you going to choke them with the Bible and nasty comments. Or could it be that if those claiming to be Christians start treating them with respect and allowing them the freedom to speak their minds. I talk with Domino, Pericles and Pete and MarySue and they have always treated me fair and with respect. They have not cursed at me nor treated me half as bad as Tom777 or peddler has. Yet these two claim to be Christian.
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3- This forum or board is a discussion forum and should be treated that way. It is not for just one group but to discuss why those who believe in Christianity do so, and why those who believe differently, believe what they believe. Why can't people just stick to that instead of constantly putting others down because of being different? So what if the other person is different.

Give them a chance to speak and listen to them and why they believe differently. If some are different then others, SO WHAT! All are made in God's image and therefore deserve RESPECT. Not one of us came into this world with a Bible, or a belief in God. We receive what we have because we have chosen to believe the way we were taught and what we ourselves have learned to have faith in. If we feel we have the true way of life, being a JW or a Morman or a United Catholic, or a Methodist or a Jew or a Baptist or Islamic or an Agnostic or an Atheist. We all have had the freedom to choose how and if we would put faith in God or not.

Those that do believe in God, have no right to beat others in the head with the Bible, nor choke the ideas of Hell or Trinity or being born again, down another persons throat. On the other hand those that do not believe in God, have no right to curse God or to say angry comments nor bad comments about those that do believe in God.

In most cases though I have found that if a Christian respectfully states their beliefs or make a comment stating their opinion based on the Bible to a person who does not believe in God, that person is fair and treats others with respect.

The problems stems from those Claiming to be Christians shoving their beliefs and practices down other expert's throats. If those here who Claim to be Christians, why not try treating others that believe differently with respect and listen to why they don't believe and allow them the same freedom of speech that you yourself want to have. Remember not one of us is any better or superior to the other person. Only in ones mind does a person become so self rightrouse that they place themselves on a platform high above the rest so as to always look down on the other person.

Here is a suggestion that comes with my sincere love for all on this board. Yes Tom777 and Peddler even you guys. I wish to be the first one to apologize for any words that I have said towards any on this board in an angry way or for pictures I have posted that were offensive to others. I hereby admit to all that that was wrong. I am sorry.

I now wish to start over and I will converse with other but I from now on will only reply to those who treat me and others with respect and those who do not speak about another persons choice of worship or lack of worship. THE CHOICE WE EACH MAKE IS OUR CHOICE TO MAKE AND NOT ONE OTHER PERSON SHOULD SPEAK RUDLY OR AGAINT THAT CHOICE. WE ALL ARE FREE AND HAVE THE FREEDOM OF RELIGON OR NO RELIGION.

Before anyone attacks me for what I have said, first think about what happened in Virgnia and then remember those 33 dead individuals all because of hatred and anger. I really was thinking about that, and I feel things will keep taking place like that as look as there is anger and hatred and those who like to feel superior then others. Let's try locally to bring peace to a board where none of us even know what the other one looks like, all we know is that we each personally have a little bit of anger and hatred and we need to over come that in order to help event such as occured in VT from happening. I will start with my own behavior first. How about joining me in
treating others with respect and allow each one to decide for themselves what they will believe and not believe. After all,we all must live in this world but we can help it not to be a world of hatred and pain. Arn't you guys sick of hearing this nonsense day after day. We can change it, just don't reply to anymore negative and holy then thou posts.

Learn from the negative actions of others, and turn it into something positive.

Just my opinion.
Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/18/07:

As for your question of why the suicide killings
what I think )
Also if you notice these suicide killings (other than domestic violence) are done mostly on politically correct places that have gun control laws to the extent that even security is not carrying any.

as for the rest, I have tried telling some here that the way they beat people over the head with the Bible isn't how to go about it but that is like telling Perk God does exist so I resort to just being here and not expecting any miracles on the board--either way!

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revdauphinee asked on 04/18/07 - Michigan State University!

Another gem from your favourite bigot !!!

Tells Muslims to Leave Country...
Michigan State University!
Well, what do we have here? Looks like a small case of
some people being able to dish it out, but not take it.

Let's start at the top.
The story begins at Michigan State University with a
mechanical engineering professor named Indrek Wichman. Wichman sent an
e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response
to the students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the
Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons
were "hate speech."

Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the
following:
Dear Moslem Association:As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I
intend to
protest your protest. I am offended not by cartoons, but
by more
mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly
attacks on
public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic
priests (the
latest in Turkey), burnings of Christian churches, the
continued
persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the
imposition of Sharia
law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and
women (called by other less flattering names in your culture), the murder of film directors
in
Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris France. This is what
offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many of my
colleagues. I counsel your dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and
uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you
proceed with your infantile "protests."If you do not like the values of the West - see the 1st
Amendment -
you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most
of you choose
that option. Please return to your ancestral homelands
and build them
up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.

Cordially,I. S. Wichman
Professor of Mechanical Engineering

As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university
didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be
reprimanded
and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and
discrimination for freshman. Now the chapter of CAIR has jumped into
the
fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently
doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his
opinion.

For its part, the university is standing its ground,
saying the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly
condemn
his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended
for his e-mail to be made public, and wouldn't have used the same
strong
lang uage if he'd known it was going to get out.

How's the left going to handle this one? If you're in
favor of the freedom of speech, as in the case of Ward Churchill, will
the same protections be demanded for Indrek Wichman? I doubt it.
We
are in a war. This political correctness crap is getting old and
killing
us.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/18/07:

There has been so much evil killing over the centuries I don't even know where anybody could even try to begin keeping score of who is worse

(CBS) This story originally aired on March 13, 2005.
60 minutes )

In Nov., 2004 a brutal murder shocked Holland and the world. On a busy Amsterdam street, in broad daylight, a prominent film maker named Theo van Gogh was shot, stabbed and mutilated in front of dozens of witnesses.

A young Muslim radical was arrested. What was described as a ritual slaughter set off alarm bells throughout Europe and the United States, where millions of devoute Muslims live as minorities in secular society.

For the Dutch who have prided themselves for centuries on a tradition of tolerance, it was a painful awakening, the prospect of a homegrown jihad in the world's most liberal state. As Morley Safer reported 18 months ago, it all began with a movie called "Submission," a 12 minute movie, which aired on Dutch television.

The images were meant to shock.

"Submission," the film depicts the Koran written on a naked Muslim woman's body, and on the body of another woman scarred from beatings inflicted by her husband.

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revdauphinee asked on 04/18/07 - nothing has changed

still at it eh?I thought eventualy yall would be tierd of the name calling and moved on i see this is not happening yet Oh well simple things amuse simple minds

tropicalstorm answered on 04/18/07:

You could brighten the board up with some pearls and gems that would reflect the type of posts you would like to see emulated at this fine specimen of an example of what it should not be whereby we could get a whole new enlightened perspective on reality outside our realm of simpleton. The more you post the broader our panorama and it could prove to be invigorating thus inspiring us to participate in the same
inspiring context of course that may be hard for the more severly challenged cognative thinkers.

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hOPE12 asked on 04/18/07 - Vacation time.

Hello Everyone,

I woke up this morning and turned the news on, everything is negative and violent, so I turned it off.

I then came to the computer to see what positive events were happening here. Well, you be the judge of that one.

Then I remembered that Pericles went to Rome. Pericles can you tell those of us who have never been there something nice and interesting you saw there?


Can anyone else tell about somewhere out of the US they visited that was really nice? My family is looking for a nice place to spend our vacation this year.

Thanks,.
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/18/07:

Texans claim they are not in the USA
and that is the closest I have come to being out of the USA other than a week
at Alquionquin Park Canada.
I love Texas
Living in an abandoned house, the Gulf of Mexico, the alligator pit, the marachi bands in the Fiesta grocery stores, Drag racing on I-45, hurricane Gilbert, the White Elephant Flea market on I-10, the Purple Heart junk store in Pasadena, Popeyes, Jack in the Box, the San Jacinto monument......
well you can see I don't have much of a life
LOL

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MaggieB asked on 04/17/07 - I thank Domino, Perc and whoever

for caring about my soul, you all have the nicest, friendlist jestures to lead a Christian who has gone astray back to the way of Christ.

My boat is not floundering becauae I have such "spiritual" leaders as you to guide me.

I can never thank you enough!

MaggieB

BTW: My Christianity is not a pose as you call it, my God is the one who judges me.


Clarification/Follow-up by domino on 04/17/07 12:03 pm:
MaggieB:

Boring, Boring, Boring, Boring. Is vindictivness one of the commandments from your god??????

Is there something about: "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" that you failed to comprehend?????

Has your Christianity been a pose, all along, like Hanks??????

Get back on course, MaggieB....your Christian boat is about to flounder!!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/17/07:

It's ALL your fault!!!
You devilutioned from the most Christian of Christian to a flounderin' fish-
You are in such a backslidden state BECAUSE you haven't been here enough to keep up with your spiritual guidance!
It's ALL your fault!!!

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domino asked on 04/17/07 - A miraculous birth?????

Was Peddler7118 impregnated by Yahweh and gave birth, overnight to Peddler2?????? Or was she cloned????

tropicalstorm answered on 04/17/07:

I noticed that too 2 to two!
I THINK PEDDLES PEDDLED2 EVOLUTED CONVULTIONS

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HANK1 asked on 04/16/07 - HUMAN EXPERIENCE:



What are the five strands of human experience? Hint: The basic factors underlying all psychological theories and methods.

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/16/07:

1. first To sum up briefly: The purpose of existence. To transform the material world into a home for the Divine, and draw down new unprecedented energy that expresses “the innermost aspect and essence of the Infinite Light” – the essence of the Divine.
We reach the Divine essence by accessing the essence of our own souls – the state of that lies at the core of our beings: A deep-seated reservoir of profound calm which give us an innate sense of belonging and indispensability.
WHAT MORE YOU WANT AFTER THAT!?
:)

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HANK1 asked on 04/16/07 - Just Wondering If ...



... we need a calculus to smooth over reality?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/16/07:

NAH ALL I WANT TO SMOOTH OVER REALITY IS TO
RUN UP AND HUG THE FIRST ARIZONA CACTUS I SEE WHEN I GET THERE AT THE END OF SUMMER!!!

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domino asked on 04/16/07 - A friendly warning to Jacqueline J. Dupree

I will continue to rectumfy your perversion, until you are so weak you may never be able to reach for another doughnut :) :) :)

For those who would like Jaqueline/Jesse/Rosekeeper to stop perverting the rating system, let me know and I will suppy her address and telephone number. You can call and demand that she cease and desist. I'm sure she will be delighted to hear from you! LOL

Don't ask how I got it...it would just start a family squabble....Oops!!!!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/16/07:

HOW CAN HE REACH FOR ANOTHER DOUGHNUT!???
jjg done ate 'em ALL!!!!

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/16/07 - Is Benny Hinn an authorised Priest of God?

Where does Benny Hinn stand in relation to his priesthood before God?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/16/07:

PARACLETE SAID HE FOLLOWS HINN
I SAY HE IS A FRAUD!!!

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HANK1 asked on 04/16/07 - Check This:



"MarySusan 04/15/07
White men LOVE to kill black men. They have a terrible sickness called racism.


Mary Sue"

Source: German army subject

PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT COMMENT, MARY SUSAN!

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/16/07:

yeah Choux gets upset about 'minorities' getting verbal abuse
But it seems okay for kids to listen to all the rap crap about nigga, kill whitey, kill cops, etc...
also nobody seems to care about the hipocricy of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
If you look up Twana Brawly, Freddie Fashion mart and Our breadbasket food bank
you will think an insult by IMUS is nothing.

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hOPE12 asked on 04/16/07 - Owning up to mistakes made in the past and starting new.

You are correct in your findings Tom777. As a Jehovah Witness, I can say honestly that prejudice of blacks was found among Jehovah's people back in the late 1800’s and early 1900's. Blacks would sit on one side of the hall and whites on the other. But we soon learned that to be wrong thinking and not God's thinking but mans. You see we live in a very prejudice world and no matter how we try, it is all around us, hatred, bigotry, and prejudice persons. Some of us even had parents who taught their children to be prejudice and hateful. But we had the a strong love for God and we also was teachable. We did not feel that we knew everything but we loved God and we learned we needed to make changes, and we did.

How many of you individually can say, that the religion you belong to, never has a history of being prejudice at any time?

Have they made the needed changes??

Have you changed your ways and corrected any wrong thinking on your part Tom777?

Have you and your church always followed the Bible without ever making errors?

Can you own up to those errors or do you just sweep them under the rug until someone like Tom777 who is suppose to be a good Christian man finds fault with all other religions and never with his own, brings them up? Ones like Tom777, never own up to their mistakes because in their eyes they are perfect and everyone else is wrong and going to that place called hell.

Can you own up to the errors that you have made since trying to serve God in faith and truth?


We were prejudice, in the sense that we have learned God’s way not man’s way.
We did not do so at first, but we have learned to grow spiritually.

My question though is can the rest of the religions of this world own up to their mistakes????

What make us have true faith is being able to know when we are wrong and face up to it, and change it. Jehovah's Witnesses have done that Tom777,
have you?

Go into any Kingdom Hall in this world and see if you see just whites, as many churches do. White persons are a minority among many Jehovah Witness Kingdom Halls. Why? Because we have many black, Chinese, Spanish, Greek, Italian, and more.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are more than international. They are supranational, that is, transcending narrow national boundaries or racial interests. Noteworthy is the great success Jehovah’s Witnesses have had in overcoming racial, tribal, and national prejudice. Such is the case in South Africa, Israel, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, and other countries troubled by religious unrest. Blacks and whites, Jews and Arabs, former Catholics and Protestants, all now Jehovah’s Witnesses, work and worship together at their conventions and Kingdom Halls.

We all as Jehovah Witnesses come from different cultures, languages, and backgrounds, many have become united in the worship of the true God. The truth of God’s Word has successfully bridged communication gaps in this country, which many consider to be the “bridge of the world. They have overcome prejudice and hatred that many other religions can not. Why? Because they admit their mistakes and ignorance and learn from those mistakes.

Tom, have you done that yet?
What love God has demonstrated in all of this! Should we not be grateful to him? Gratitude has impelled millions of people around the world, from different races and cultures, to take action to cultivate a relationship with God and to serve him united as one race, The Human Race!

BTW Tom777 I notice your article is from 1929. Have you visited a Kingdom Hall of the JW's lately? If so you will see much prove of our spiritual growth. We do not put others down for their mistakes but we help them overcome their errors, do you?


Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/16/07:

I have to admit if Toms doesn't realize there was segration well into the late 50's early 60's he had to have been sleeping through History class. And if he is over 45 then he had his head in the sand in the 60's

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madddawg asked on 04/16/07 - God confused?

The God of the Bible is not a God of confusion:
1 Corinthians 14:32 For God is not the author of confusion,


But the God of Joseph Smith seems to be confused.
2 Nephi 5:15-16
And I did teach my people to build buildings, and to work in all manner of wood, and of iron, and of copper, and of brass, and of steel, and of gold, and of silver, and of precious ores, which were in great abundance. And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon, save it were not build of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land.
Does this imply that Joseph Smith worshiped a different God than the God that is described in the Bible?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/16/07:

sounds like he was building castles in the air?

is this it
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Pete. asked on 04/15/07 - No errors Toms777?

You are right Toms777.

There are no truths.

I must live with it....but can you:):?

Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 04/15/07:

I dunno, I have no idea BUT........

my opinion
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CeeBee2 asked on 04/15/07 - The unkempt, clothes-mismatched visitor to a church

When we see someone like that, what do we do? Do we leave our clique and stand up from our comfortable pew to greet him? And what about everyday life? How do we treat the "least of these" who walk among us? My young niece emailed this to me today:

Shoes

I showered and shaved; I adjusted my tie.
I got there and sat in a pew just in time.
Bowing my head in prayer, as I closed my eyes,
I saw the shoe of the man next to me touching my own. I sighed.

With plenty of room on either side,
I thought, "Why must our soles touch?"
It bothered me, his shoe touching mine,
But it didn't bother him much.

The prayer began: "Our Father".
I thought, "This man with the shoes has no pride.
They're dusty, worn, and scratched.
Even worse--there are holes on the side!"

"Thank You for blessings," the prayer went on.
The shoe man said a quiet "Amen."
I tried to focus on the prayer,
But my thoughts were on his shoes again.

Aren't we supposed to look our best
When walking through that door?
"Well, this certainly isn't it," I thought,
Glancing toward the floor.

Then the prayer was ended
And the songs of praise began.
The shoe man was certainly loud,
Sounding proud as he sang.

His voice lifted the rafters;
His hands were raised high.
The Lord could surely hear
The shoe man's voice from the sky.

It was time for the offering
And what I threw in was steep.
I watched as the shoe man reached
Into his pockets so deep.

I saw what was pulled out
What the shoe man put in.
Then I heard a soft "clink"
as when silver hits tin.

The sermon really bored me
To tears--that's no lie.
It was the same for the shoe man,
For tears fell from his eyes.

At the end of the service
As is the custom here.
We must greet new visitors
And show them good cheer..

But I felt moved somehow
And wanted to meet the shoe man.
So after the closing prayer,
I reached over and shook his hand.

He was old and his skin was dark
And his hair was truly a mess.
But I thanked him for coming,
For being our guest.

He said, "My name's Charlie.
I'm glad to meet you, my friend."
There were tears in his eyes
But he had a large, wide grin.

"Let me explain," he said
Wiping tears from his eyes.
"I've been coming here for months
And you're the first to say 'Hi'."

I know that my appearance
"Is not like all the rest,
"But I really do try
"To always look my best."

"I always clean and polish my shoes
"Before my very long walk,
"But by the time I get here
"They're dirty and dusty, like chalk."

My heart filled with pain
and I swallowed to hide my tears
As he continued to apologize
For daring to sit so near.

He said, "When I finally get here
"I know I must look a sight.
"But I thought if I could touch you
"Then maybe our souls might unite."

I was silent for a moment,
Knowing whatever was said
Would pale in comparison.
I spoke from my heart, not my head.

"Oh, you've touched me," I said,
"And taught me, in part,
"That the best of any man
"Is what is found in his heart."

The rest, I thought...
This shoe man will never know
Just how thankful I really am
That his dusty old shoe touched my soul.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/15/07:

when we see someone like that we treat them the same as someone with their designer purses and shoes.
In my life I met two women that have had VERY ODD style of mismatched clothing. The one was a Christian missionary that lives where I grew up.
James 2
1My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," 4have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?
5Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong?
8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself,"[a] you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

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madddawg asked on 04/15/07 - necromancy

The Bible warns its readers not to get involved in any occultic practice, which includes praying to the dead:
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. 13Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. 14For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
When the Roman Catholic religion tells its followers to pray to the dead, are their leaders encouraging their followers to sin?
"Hail Mary (who died), full of grace (which is a false statement), Blessed art thou among women and blessed be the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God (God has no mother), pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of death. The New Saint Joseph Baltimore Catechism, Reverent Father Kelly, Catholic Book Publishing Company, 1964, page 6

tropicalstorm answered on 04/15/07:

They have their ways around this.
They say they are not 'praying'
That they are 'asking' Mary to pray for them just as you would ask the people in your church to pray for you.
They also say that the saints are not dead but on the other side of the curtain so to speak.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/15/07 - Why does this Atheist claim to be Mormon?



And promotes Buddhism, and Russellitis,and the Bahai Faith , and Islam and Wicca but hates Bible believing Christians as much as Satan himself ?

After sending .012 seconds investigating Ronnie's claims I found his source for Jack Chik's letter. I have no clue who this guy is but Ronnie hates him so he can't be all bad.

The source was Holy Smoke .org Ronnies Atheist Thought Controllers

I am writing a book about pro-atheism. A growing doctrine that do gooders working their way to heaven by the way of the lake of fire are adopting in droves.

For instance Ronnie made the absurd claim that the RCC is based on the doctrine of salvation by grace alone through the one time atonement of Jesus Christ. When he was corrected not only did the Catholics support that lie but one of the accused me of lying.
The pro-atheist pseudo-Christian will lie and falsely accuse anyone that dares to say God is in charge and His Bible is the rule book. They will even lie about their own religion.

What is frustrating is no matter how blatant the lie is, such as Fred supporting the salvation by grace claim or Ronnie posting lies from hategod.org, and how completely it is debunked they keep right on repeating it. Not only that but the majority of "Christians" support these lies 100% .

tropicalstorm answered on 04/15/07:

The article you are referring to IS taken from Jack Chicks site word for word so it can't be claimed that it is wrongfuly misrepresenting Jack Chick
So that wasn't taken out of context as it seems the one about nebula orion may have been
but I did find a site where a Christian says that many Christians do believe the nebula orion thing and says there is an old Christian hymn that states that and they didn't get it from Jack Chick

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madddawg asked on 04/15/07 - By their fruit

Jesus warned his followers to beware of false prophets:
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Jesus explained that we are to judge the prophets by their fruit.
Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
In the past few years, many false prophets have been exposed with their impure sexual conduct.
Is there any record of sexual misconduct in Joseph Smith's life, or was he beyond reproach?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/15/07:

I have been wondering ARE there any real prophets nowadays that ARE NOT FALSE?
Who are they?
I would really love to know!

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HANK1 asked on 04/15/07 - QUIETUS EST:



Playtime is over. Here's why atheists give Christians and other believers harassment:

Atheists like to project humiliation because they don't like hearing the TRUTH.

Have a great Sunday. We're going to Church and then hit the golf ball at 1.

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/15/07:

Just being here
I can see that applies to atheists, Christians and all others.
So don't discriminate LOL

Don't knock down the church walls with that golf cart

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peddler7118 asked on 04/15/07 - Before They Fly, Spiders Check the Weather”

6. LiveScience: “Before They Fly, Spiders Check the Weather”

Stunning examples of God’s awesome capacity for design abound all around us—even in the lowly spider! Research published recently in Biology Letters explains how spiders take to the air, “flying” by “casting out a ‘dragline’ of silk thread, which gets carried by the wind, along with the attached critter.” But the truly amazing aspect of spider flight, as reported in the research, is how spiders determine “the best flight weather” before casting their lines. Spiders are most likely to “soar” on cloudy fall and spring days, avoiding breezeless summer days as well as the other extreme, stormy and wintry conditions.

This is where the design aspect comes in; after all, spiders lack the tools available to meteorologists! But as lead study author Andy Reynolds explains, “The literature on spider sensing points to tarsal organs and hairs as having roles in, respectively, the detection of temperature and wind speed.” While evolutionists wonder how such an integrated weather-determining system would have evolved, creationists can recognize the wonderful mechanism as part of God’s design.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/15/07:

I wonder does their arthritis set in or what?

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peddler7118 asked on 04/14/07 - SuperChicken?

Tyrannosaurus rex: a big chicken?
Laymanby David A. DeWitt, Ph.D.April 13, 2007

Perhaps one of the most exciting recent discoveries for creationists has been the report of soft tissue found in a dinosaur fossil.1,2 In 2005, a study in the prestigious journal Science documented the presence of unfossilized tissue from a T. rex.3 Since these dinosaurs are supposed to have been extinct for at least 65 million years, finding soft tissue was quite a surprise for evolutionists. The soft tissue was only partially mineralized; after the minerals were removed, the tissue was “stretchy” and had the appearance of blood vessels.
The finding of unfossilized dinosaur tissue is a serious blow to the idea of an earth millions of years old, but it is not the only example. Recently, scientists have also obtained DNA from fossil frogs and salamanders that were supposed to be 10 million years old.4

Conventional wisdom held that proteins and DNA could not survive for millions of years. Indeed, an upper limit to the preservation of a stable protein such as collagen was presumed to be about 2.7 million years at 0°C, 180,000 years at 10°C, and only 15,000 years at 20°C.5 Thus, there was much skepticism that what Schweitzer found was really dinosaur soft tissue when it was initially reported. Secular scientists were hesitant to believe that such tissue and proteins could persist for more than 65 million years.

Now for what’s new
The newest development regarding this dinosaur concerns this week’s announcement that what was found in this T. rex fossil supposedly presents strong evidence that dinosaurs evolved into birds. Here is the background.

Dr. Schweitzer has reported that the protein collagen has been recovered from her T. rex soft tissue specimen.6,7 The pair of papers are very careful and cautious studies making use of some sophisticated experiments. These findings provide confirmation that the material is in fact dinosaur soft tissue.

Researchers used several different techniques to identify the presence of collagen. First, they found that antibodies to collagen would bind to the samples, and this binding did not occur after treatment with enzymes that specifically degrade collagen. Second, they used mass spectrometry to determine the amino acid sequence of the protein. They then mapped various protein fragments and compared them against a database of protein sequences from a variety of organisms.

Of all the organisms in the sequence database, the one that matched T. rex the closest was the chicken. Now, before assuming that this would be strong evidence that birds are related to dinosaurs, it must be put into perspective. The sequence similarity between the T. rex and the chicken was 58% ,while it was only 51% similar to both frogs and newts. This compares with a reported 81% similarity between humans and frogs, and 97% between humans and cows.7 Moreover, while some of the peptide fragments showed sequence matches to chickens, others matched frog, or newt, or even fish and mice. The authors did point out that not all organisms are in the database. Although the chicken was the closest match from the database, it is possible that animals not included could be a closer match. Regardless, such similarity does not prove that the organisms shared an evolutionary ancestor.

Certainly the recovery of protein sequences from fossil dinosaurs should be applauded—and that work is solid. However, the use of such sequence data to support the idea that birds evolved from dinosaurs is a stretch.8

Interestingly, the amount of protein that they could recover decreased over time. In other words, the amount that they could recover in recent extractions was reduced compared to previous extractions. This suggested that there was degradation of the sample in its current “modern” environment. The fact that such degradation is occurring over very short time scales poses a potential difficulty for evolutionists in explaining how the material could have persisted for an alleged 68 million years.

These are very exciting papers and provide strong evidence that dinosaur soft tissue has been recovered, but they don’t reveal a dino-bird link. Unfortunately, these observations will unlikely dissuade those who are firmly convinced of molecules-to-man evolution and millions of years.

Dr. David A. DeWitt is the Director of the Center for Creation Studies and a professor of biology at Liberty University. He is a frequent speaker and writer for Answers in Genesis.

Editor’s note: see our other web article about this recent dinosaur research, which also briefly looks at the biblical significance of this story: T. rex drumstick

References
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp Back
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0328discovery.asp Back
Schweitzer, M.H., Wittmeyer, J.L., Horner, J.R., and Toporski, J.K. 2005. Soft-Tissue Vessels and Cellular Preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex. Science 307(5717): 1952-1955. Back
McNamara, M.E., Orr, P.J., Kearns, S.L., Alcala, L., Anadon, P., and Penalver-Molla, E. 2006. High-fidelity organic preservation of bone marrow in ca.10 Ma amphibians. Geology 34(8): 641-644. News report from BBC at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5214798.stm downloaded April 12, 2007. Back
Nielsen-Marsh, C. Biomolecules in fossil remains A multidisciplinary approach to endurance The Biochemist June 2002 pages 12-14 http://www.biochemist.org/bio/02403/0012/024030012.pdf Back
Schweitzer, M.H., Suo, Z., Avci, R., Asara, J.M., Allen, M.A., Arce, F.T., and Horner, J.R. 2007. Analyses of soft tissue from Tyrannosaurus rex suggest the presence of protein Science 316(5822): 277-280. Back
Asara, J.M., Schweitzer, M.H., Freimark, L.M., Phillips, M., and Cantley, L.C. 2007. Protein sequences from mastodon and Tyrannosaurus rex revealed by mass spectrometry. Science 316(5822): 280-285. Back (1) Back (2)
Media have emphasized the dinosaur-bird link For an example, see: T. rex related to chickens http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/070412_dino

tropicalstorm answered on 04/14/07:

I read that yesterday but figured I'd leave it for you:)
I always thought T-Rex looked like the bird family but not into studying dinosaurs I assumed they had already been classified with the birds.

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Toms777 asked on 04/13/07 - How a person becomes Homosexual

Christianity today has an interetsing article about a man who explains how he became a homosexual, and how he once again became a heterosexual.

The Road to Healing

tropicalstorm answered on 04/13/07:

He had desires and he gave in to them.
Why did he have these desires?
Why couldn't he control them?
Why did they intensify to where he gave into them?
Most kids have poor self esteem but it doesn't give them thoughts of turning gay.
The story left me with more why questions than it answered

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HANK1 asked on 04/13/07 - HONESTY:



I recently read a very interesting story in the newspaper about a study on honesty. The researchers placed a wallet on the ground and then waited to see whether or not people would turn in that wallet when they found it. In a nutshell, here are the details of what they did. “Each of the one hundred wallets contained $2.10 in real money, a fake $50.00 gift certificate, some miscellaneous items and a clearly written ID card identifying the lost wallet's rightful owner. We were curious as to how honest people would be and wanted to see how different races, genders and age groups would compare to each other.” Each person was also videotaped in the process. Overall, 74 people were honest and returned the wallet and 26 took the wallet and said nothing.

With that study in mind, let me ask you today to assess your sense of honesty. If you were one of those unsuspecting subjects, what would you have done? Would you be counted among the majority and return that wallet or would you see it as a “finders keepers, losers weepers” kind of event?

Source: LifeScript

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/13/07:

IF it has a name and adress I go out of my way to return it.
IF 'n when it has NO identification
ITS MINE!

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MarySusan asked on 04/13/07 - Punishment?

Do you think that your Christian God punishes you when you are "bad"?

Or, punishes others?

Why or why not...

tropicalstorm answered on 04/13/07:

I don't think it is so much punishment as consequences so you keep trying til you get it right. Just like a parent chasitises a child so they learn God says he chastises those he loves.

Hbr 12:5-10 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened [us] after their own pleasure; but he for [our] profit, that [we] might be partakers of his holiness.

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MarySusan asked on 04/13/07 - Why the Friday 13 Superstition?




Why Is Friday the 13th Bad Luck?

If you're one of those people who avoid traveling, going to work, eating in a restaurant or signing important documents on Friday the 13th, you have paraskevidekatriaphobia. There is no need to call the doctor. It means a fear of Friday the 13th.

Friday the 13th is unlucky in North America, Western Europe and Australia and has its roots in both pagan culture and Christian beliefs. In the United States, it is the most widespread superstition. The British Medical Journal reported in 1993 that on Friday the 13th, the number of hospital admissions that are due to vehicular accidents is significantly higher--by as much as 52 percent--than on "normal" Fridays.

Ever since Christ was crucified on a Friday, many Christians believe the sixth day of the week to be unlucky, reports InfoPlease.com. In addition, 13 brings bad luck because that is the number who attended the Last Supper. But such superstitions go back even further than some 2,000 years ago. Norse mythology also reviled the No. 13. Loki, the most loathed of all the Norse gods crashed a dinner party for 12. As the 13th guest, he was said to cause the death of Balder, the god of light, joy, and reconciliation....".

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Are you superstitious?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/13/07:

The Christian perspective on Friday and 13 is the most relevant today, but it's only one part of the Friday the 13th tradition.
Some trace the infamy of the number 13 back to ancient Norse culture. In Norse mythology, the beloved hero Balder was killed at a banquet by the mischievous god Loki, who crashed the party of twelve, bringing the group to 13. This story, as well as the story of the Last Supper, led to one of the most entrenched 13-related beliefs: You should never sit down to a meal in a group of 13.

Another significant piece of the legend is a particularly bad Friday the 13th that occurred in the middle ages. On a Friday the 13th in 1306, King Philip of France arrested the revered Knights Templar and began torturing them, marking the occasion as a day of evil. Check out this site to learn more.

Both Friday and the number 13 were once closely associated with capital punishment. In British tradition, Friday was the conventional day for public hangings, and there were supposedly 13 steps leading up to the noose.

Ultimately, the complex folklore of Friday the 13th doesn't have much to do with people's fears today. The fear has much more to do with personal experience. People learn at a young age that Friday the 13th is supposed to be unlucky, for whatever reason, and then they look for evidence that the legend is true. The evidence isn't hard to come by, of course. If you get in a car wreck on one Friday the 13th, lose your wallet, or even spill your coffee, that day will probably stay with you. But if you think about it, bad things, big and small, happen all the time. If you're looking for bad luck on Friday the 13th, you'll probably find it.


Actually I think it is this

Alfgred Hitchcock
Born13 August 1899
which falls on Fridays sometimes
and is my good luck Friday when it does.



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madddawg asked on 04/13/07 - President Ezra Taft Benson (Mormon Church)

February 26th, 1980 at Marriot Center Assembly, on KBYU FM radio station said:
"Keep your eye on the President of the Church. If he ever tells you to do anything and it is wrong and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.

Will the Lord really bless those who do wrong?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/13/07:

I married the WRONG guy and God blessed me with my four beautiful kids, BUT we had to go through hell. Other than that
I'd say NOT!

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arcura asked on 04/12/07 - Milk Dudds by Rick Reilly of Sports Illustrated.


Someday you may be invited to fly in the back-seat of one of your country's most powerful fighter jets. Many of you already have . John Elway, John Stockton, Tiger Woods to name a few If you get this opportunity, let me urge you, with the greatest sincerity...
Move to Guam.
Change your name.
Fake your own death!
Whatever you do .
Do Not Go!!!

The U.S. Navy invited me to try it. I was thrilled. I was pumped. I was toast! I should've known when they told me my pilot would be Chip (Biff) King of Fighter Squadron 213 at Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach.

Whatever you're thinking a Top Gun named Chip (Biff) King looks like, triple it. He's about six-foot, tan, ice-blue eyes, wavy surfer hair, finger-crippling handshake -- the kind of man who wrestles dyspeptic alligators in his leisure time. If you see this man, run the other way. Fast.

Biff King was born to fly. His father, Jack King, was for years the voice of NASA missions. ("T-minus 15 seconds and counting ..." Remember?) Chip would charge neighborhood kids a quarter each to hear his dad. Jack would wake up from naps surrounded by nine-year-olds waiting for him to say, "We have a liftoff"

Biff was to fly me in an F-14D Tomcat, a ridiculously powerful $60 million weapon with nearly as much thrust as weight. Not unlike Colin Montgomerie, I was worried about getting airsick, so the night before the flight I asked Biff if there was something I should eat the next morning.

"Bananas," he said.

"For the potassium?" I asked.

"No," Biff said, "because they taste about the same coming up as they do going down."

The next morning, out on the tarmac, I had on my flight suit with my name sewn over the left breast. (No call sign -like Crash or Sticky or Leadfoot . But, still, very cool.) I carried my helmet in the crook of my arm, as Biff had instructed. If ever in my life I had a chance to nail Nicole Kidman, this was it.

A fighter pilot named Psycho gave me a safety briefing and then fastened me into my ejection seat, which, when employed, would "egress" me out of the plane at such a velocity that I would be immediately knocked unconscious

Just as I was thinking about aborting the flight, the canopy closed over me, and Biff gave the ground crew a thumbs-up. In minutes we were firing nose up at 600 mph. We leveled out and then canopy-rolled over another F-14.


Those 20 minutes were the rush of my life. Unfortunately, the ride lasted 80. It was like being on the roller coaster at Six Flags Over Hell. Only without rails. We did barrel rolls, snap rolls, loops, yanks and banks. We dived, rose and dived again, sometimes with a vertical velocity of 10,000 feet per minute. We chased another F-14, and it chased us.



We broke the speed of sound. Sea was sky and sky was sea. Flying at 200 feet we did 90-degree turns at 550 mph, creating a G force of 6.5, which is to say I felt as if 6.5 times my body weight was sma shing against me, thereby approximating life as Mrs. Colin Montgomerie.

And I egressed the bananas.


And I egressed the pizza from the night before.


And the lunch before that.


I egressed a box of Milk Duds from the sixth grade.

I made Linda Blair look polite. Because of the G's, I was egressing stuff that never thought would be egressed.

I went through not one airsick bag, but two.

Biff said I passed out. Twice. I was coated in sweat. At one point, as we were coming in upside down in a banked curve on a mock bombing target and the G's were flattening me like a tortilla and I was in and out of consciousness, I realized I was the first person in history to throw down.

I used to know 'cool'. Cool was Elway throwing a touchdown pass, or Norman making a five-iron bite. But now I really know 'cool'. Cool is guys like Biff, men with cast-iron stomachs and freon nerves. I wouldn't go up there again for Derek Jeter's black book, but I'm glad Biff does every day, and for less a year than a rookie reliever makes in a home stand.

A week later, when the spins finally stopped, Biff called. He said he and the fighters had the perfect call sign for me. Said he'd send it on a patch for my flight suit.

What is it? I asked.

"Two Bags."

tropicalstorm answered on 04/13/07:

ONE QUESTION:
WHEN CAN I GO...........


(maybe I could make the world book of Guiness and be THREE bags!:(....)

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HANK1 asked on 04/12/07 - LIKE OR LOVE:



Asking "Do you like God?" may help us to think about God liking us. I hope this doesn't sound too touchy-feely. But what I mean is that, for some strange reason, saying that "God likes me" has more punch than "God loves me." Maybe it's because "the love of God" is an overused phrase. Maybe it's because I think that since I am "supposed to" love God, I think that God has no choice but to love me. He's "supposed to." Yet Jesus called his disciples "friends" (John 15:15).

What say you?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/12/07:

You can love someone and not like them so in a sense what you are saying does make sense.

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belle33 asked on 04/12/07 - Blood

Lev. 18, 10-14, For the life of all flesh is the blood, and ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh. Is a blood transfusion any different than eating blood?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/12/07:

No Belle they are not the same thing
Jews will even tell you that.
Ask ETW

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hOPE12 asked on 04/12/07 - This is for you Peddler

Seeing life in the abstract

is what some people like to do

Getting the facts distorted

and not caring what is true.

Living a life of fantasy

not wanting to use their mind.

Daydreaming about a better life

not willing to seek or find.

One day they'll have an awakening

at a time when they least expect.

Searching for truthful answers

and the wisdom to reflect.

The perils of living a fantasy

comes a time for one to fall.

So live your life in reality

so your world won't crumble at all.

Take care.
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/12/07:

'Don't lump Peddles in with seeing life in the abstract. That is my domain and it would do Peddles a lot ship load of good to get out of Box 1 and forget about his box 2 and find a little abstract in his life!

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HANK1 asked on 04/11/07 - CONCEPTS OF THEORY:



Once one has examined an ethical theory and knows what its fundamental concepts are, what kinds of factors are to be used in making moral judgments?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/11/07:

yeesh Hank
you go through all that to determine moral??

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Pete. asked on 04/11/07 - Block

Hey, peddler's blocked me. That makes two,
the other being Gossy. What are they afraid of???

tropicalstorm answered on 04/11/07:

Pete
It gets worse
you got blocked
AND PERK DIDN'T!

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CeeBee2 asked on 04/11/07 - The Don Imus thing revisited.

In today's Chicago Sun-Times, a black female columnist said Imus' comment wasn't racist, but just a stupid old white guy's effort to be "hip" and "with it" (and failing miserably, since he has no experience with or understanding of black culture).

The columnist decided the insult was worse because of the "nappy-haired" adjective. Black women, she said, pride themselves on their hair, since hair control is such a challenge for most of them. "Nappy-haired" are fighting words!

Also, she wondered why Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson aren't as upset over rappers' use of "bitch" and "ho" when they describe black women. It's okay, she questioned, if BLACK men call black women that--and make money doing it? What a double standard!

(There is no real question here. I just had to vent along with the columnist.)

tropicalstorm answered on 04/11/07:

That is what I hear from all normal average people about many racist sounding remarks.
It is the politically correct organizations that make the big deal out of it.
The radio talk shows yesterday, most of the black woman that called in said basically the same thing.
They also said he has done a lot in support of black people.

Where I live the blacks laugh at my three black jokes and tell me, "You IS all right girl"
and we get along fine.
Politically Correct groups want to create a problem so that they can sue and 'find a solution'

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madddawg asked on 04/11/07 - What is the meaning of life?
The meaning of life

The last words of Aldus Huxley (humanist) were:
"It is a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one's life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than try to be a little kinder."
That is all there is to life for the humanist. What do you suppose the real meaning of life is?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/11/07:

One thing I know The meaning of life is NOT living a superifical complacent life like most people are content with.
I think a part is finding the connection of your spirit and soul in relation to God and his will.

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Pete. asked on 04/10/07 - Flavius Josephus is not enough for such a "great" man.

Please give me other historical, non-biblical references to Jesus Christ. Peddeler failed, can any of you help?

Thanks

Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 04/10/07:

Pete from what I understand nobody denies that Jesus actually existed they question who he really was. I think Dom even says Jesus really existed and he has visited the Holy Land.

I don't have time right now and not sure what exactly sure what would help answer your question to your satisfaction so here is a search link to your question.


Jesus historical
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God bless you

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Bobbye asked on 04/10/07 - IMUS!

After viewing myriad posts with unflattering remarks about someone or someone's wife along the lines of Imus' despicable remarks of "nappy-headed hors" (referring to the Rutgers Women's Basketball team), do you think a two-week suspension is appropriate for Imus?

WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPER DISCIPLINE FOR A PERSON OF HIS STATUE MAKING SUCH RACIST AND DEGRADING REMARKS?
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THE RESPONSE BY COACH C. VIVIAN STRINGER:

"These young ladies before you are valedictorians, future doctors, musical prodigies," coach C. Vivian Stringer told a nationally publicized news conference a day after the uproar over Imus´ comments led to a two-week suspension of his show.
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And we wonder why the world is in chaos? Look at what a T.V./radio icon is saying about such fine young ladies! DEPLORABLE!

Thanks for your comments.
Bobbye
P.S. "YES," THIS POST CONCERNS "CHRISTIANITY!" The majority of his audience is in America with many "Christian" listeners. WHY HAVEN'T THEY SPOKEN OUT AND DEMANDED A GREATER PUNISHMENT FOR HIS REMARKS?


tropicalstorm answered on 04/10/07:

what I see as the problem is that here in the USA we have politically correct people who are over sensitive about everything and we have laws that are not defined clearly so some people lose their job for less and others get a slap on the wrist for worse. Prople should take personal responsibility of how would they want to be treated, would they want something similar said about them.

Then too we argue over freedom of speech vs not being offensive.
They claim it is the Christians that want to control speech when it is the politically correct people and not the Christians.
Christians KNOW that if there is laws on peoples freedom of speech the Christians would suffer more because they would be able to go further than separation of church and state.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/10/07 - PH are you trying to emulate juvenile atheist?

meddler,

Please answer my question "what is your reference for God being born on Kolob"?

Is this the height of your intellect? To harass about something that I never said?
You and Perk both are spoiled children, without honor.
Perk called my dead Mother a whore. This you heartily endorse.
I called him a whore, and demonstrated it to be true. You support his harassing me for something I never said and now you copycat him?

If my best hope was to someday be like Perk I would go take a nap on the RR tracks.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/10/07:

Peddles taking a nap on the railroad tracks is fun!!! LOL

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peddler7118 asked on 04/10/07 - Is Mary Worship Necromancy?

She is a dead person .

tropicalstorm answered on 04/10/07:

I believe it is.

Catholics make the distinction that they do not pray TO Mary but 'ask' her to intercede for them.
The Bible even says 1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Catholics say it is okay to pray to Mary to intercede because the Bible says that we are to pray and intercede for one another and they say Romans 8:35 says death can not separate us
and since the resurrection the saints are not dead but alive with Jesus in heaven so Mary and the saints can be intercessors just like we are to intercede for one another.


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HANK1 asked on 04/09/07 - I DIDN'T KNOW!



Clarification/Follow-up by madddawg on 04/08/07 6:38 pm:
To Toms777. You raise a good question since the Bible clearly forbids the praying to the dead.
Deuteronomy 18:9-12

"Forbids the praying to the dead." Hmmm! I do it all the time. Please explain/reference your standing! Thanks!

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/09/07:

yeah it forbids praying to the dead and/or channeling the dead and says it is witchcraft


channeling
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1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

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hOPE12 asked on 04/09/07 - Bible questions, not questions about anyones religion:

This is for those who can not simply answer my questions.

There are those on this board who insist on not answering questions in a direct and logical way. I will again ask these quesiton, please state the answers logically and to the point. Why quote a bunch of scriptures that do not answer my questions? These are Bible questions, not religion question but strickly about the Bible, please keep it that way.

Here are those scriptures and my questions. There should be no need to bring into your answer the watchtower or any other article. If you all love me as you claim, why not teach me the correct answer and as you would a new Bible student?

Just answer the question using the Bible. That is simple. If you post a whole bunch of stuff it may be because you do not know the answers. Which is it? Can you answer my questions logically and simply and direct and back it up with one or two scriptures?

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Notice this is the –New King James version and the King James Version:::
John 20:17 (New King James Version)

17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”

Now for the King James Version: Not my Bible the NWT
John 20:17 (King James Version)

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 17:3 (King James Version)

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Now answer these question for me Please?
1- Who is the Word? If you believe the Word was God, then How can God be with himself?

Verse 2 again, "The same was in the beginning with God>"

Are you saying that God is the Word and he was with himself?

If so, then why does the other scripture like John 17:3 speak of God sending forth his Son?

Can you answer these questions if Jesus is God? ALL SCRIPTURES ARE TAKEN FROM THE NEW KING JAMES VERSION OF- THE BIBLE

Matthew 26:39 (New King James Version)
39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”

Why would Jesus if he was God, pray to himself?

Why if Jesus is God would he have to ask himself the above, ““O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.” And If Jesus is God, why would he say, “Not as I will, but as you will?” If Jesus is God, He would know his own will.

If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.
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John 8:17-18 (New King James Version)
17 It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father, here, didn’t he???
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Mark 13:32 (New King James Version)
32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Why would only the Father know if Jesus were God?

Would not Jesus then also know the day and the hour?

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?

Matthew 20:20-234 (New King James Version)
20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.
21 And He said to her, “What do you wish?”
She said to Him, “Grant that these two sons of mine may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your kingdom.”
22 But Jesus answered and said, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”[a]
They said to Him, “We are able.”
23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with;[b] but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”

How strange, if, as claimed, Jesus is God! Was Jesus here merely answering according to his “human nature”?

If, as Trinitarians say, Jesus was truly “God-man”—both God and man, not one or the other—would it truly be consistent to resort to such an explanation?

Reason on this, notice verse 23. and ask yourself if Jesus is God why was it not his to give?

Here is shows that the Father has reserved some prerogative for himself.

Why if Jesus is God?

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John 14:28 (New King James Version)
28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,[a] ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

Why would Jesus say this if he was God?

Was part of God better then the other part? Or is Jesus in the Bible you all use lying?

For what purpose would Jesus say this?


John 17:1-3 (New King James Version)
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”

Why does Jesus pray to himself, if he is God?

If Jesus is God why would he need to be glorified?


Please in a seriousness answer these question in an orderly and logical way and in the 0rder of which I have asked them, and without books and articles and a whole bunch of stuff. If your Trinity is true you should be able to answer these quesiton simply and directly and without posting pages and pages of website information. You should be able to answer with one of two scriptures and explain it in your own words.

Tom777 especially I do not want to read your website information. I want an answer from you using JUST the Bible please.


Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/09/07:

Ditto to what Joe said.
We have no idea if you are even bothering to read what we bothered to type so what is the use of replying?
same with Peddler slacking off on rating.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/09/07 - To whom does Hilter belong?

Adolf Hitler claimed he was Christian!

Evangelical Christian leaders supported Hitler greatly; even Baptists were split over whether Hitler was truly Born Again. Listen to Adolf's testimony:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior" - Speech, 12 April 1921

Adolf Hitler professed faith in Jesus Christ and claimed to be a Christian! He affirmed the Christian faith, never shut down a Christian church, and claimed that his actions during World War II were fully consistent with Biblical teaching and commandment.

Adolf Hitler claimed to be Christian. He regularly invoked the name of "God" and "Lord", he regularly called upon "faith in the Almighty", and he regularly stated the importance of the Christian faith as a foundation for the entire nation!

A German woman wrote a letter to a friend just weeks before Hitler's suicide in 1945. She expressed outrage because she finally believed the 'rumors', that the "SS" had been systematically murdering Jews all during the war. She said, "This is totally outrageous and must stop. Why, someone should tell Adolf"!

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior... I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Speech, 12 April 1921

"Hitler is reported to have spoken, glowingly, about raising the 'treasures of the living Christ,' the persecution of the 'true Christians and sanctimonious churches that have placed themselves between God and man and to turn away from the anti-Christian , smug individualism of the past,' and 'to educate the youth in particular in the spirit of those of Christ's words that we must interpret anew: love one another; be considerate of your fellow man; remember that each of you is not alone a creature of God, but that you are all brothers!" [Turner, "In Hitler-- Memoirs of a Confidant", Ch. 23;]

"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might ..."

"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

"As a Christian ..."

"For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."

"The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element." ["Memoirs" Albert Speer, p. 95]

Later on this same page, Albert Speer noted that Hitler strongly believed that the Christian church was indispensable in political life.

"We don't want to educate anyone in atheism. ["Hitler's Table-Talk", p. 6]

"God is with us" - [Calic, Edouard, Ed., "Secret Conversations With Hitler," The John Day Company, p. 6:

Hitler repeated this phrase exceedingly often in his speeches, and he always drew the applause.

"We do not forget the influence of the churches"

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator" [Hitler, Mein Kampf]

"The established Methodist church paper, the Friedensglocke, vouched for the authenticity of a story about Hitler where he invited a group of deaconesses from the Bethel Institutions into his home at Obersalzberg .. The deaconesses entered the chamber and were astonished to see the pictures of Frederick the Great, Luther, and Bismarck on the wall ...

One sister could not refrain from saying: 'Herr Reichkanzler, 'from where do you get the courage to undertake the great changes in the whole Reich?' Thereupon Hitler took out of his pocket the New Testament of Dr. Martin Luther, which one could see had been used very much, and said earnestly: "From God's word." [Helmreich, Ernst Christian, "The German Churches Under Hitler," Wayne State University Press, 1979, p., p. 139]

"The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever exercised any influence upon the form of a religious service. It has not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion...." [Hitler, a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939]

"I am absolutely convinced of the great power and the deep significance of the Christian religion, and consequently will not permit any other founders of religion (Religionsstifter) ... I will protect the rights and freedom of the church and will not permit them to be touched. You need have no apprehensions concerning the freedom of the church.
[Hitler, quoted from "The German Churches Under Hitler", p.241]

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. From our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people."
[Hitler, quoted from The German Churches under Hitler, p.241]

" 'Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain'.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans."
[Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933]

"... the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." [Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)]

"...that is why the prophet seldom has any honor in his own country." [Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf); referring to Jesus' words, John 4:44]

History records that many Evangelical, and even Baptist, preachers, teachers, and leaders went over to Hitler's "morality."

"If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation would not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God has bestowed on our people."
[Evangelical Minister Rust, in a speech to a mass meeting of German Christians on June 29, 1933 [Helmreich, Ernst Christian, "The German Churches Under Hitler," Wayne State University Press, 1979, p. 138]

"Other pastors openly welcomed the Nazi's, believing that the reintroduction of government by Christian authorities, affirmed St. Paul that 'the power that be are ordained by God'." (Romans 13:1) ["Christianity in Europe during WWII", by Jim Walker, 1 June, 2000]

"... a number of U.S. Baptists wrote sympathetically of Hitler's Germany. I came to this conclusion while writing an article on the Baptist World Alliance congress in Berlin in 1934. An immense Nazi flag, hung where the congress met, was a vivid reminder of the bloody purge executed only a few weeks before by anti-Semitic fascists.
["U.S. Baptists said surprisingly nice things about Hitler", Baptist Standard, by Professor Lloyd Allen - Church History at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky -- May 27, 2002]

"John Sampey, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, cautioned against hasty judgment of a leader (Hitler) who had stopped German women from smoking cigarettes and wearing red lipstick in public.

The Watchman-Examiner carried a letter by Boston pastor John Bradbury. Of the congress, he wrote, "It was a great relief to be in a country where salacious sex literature cannot be sold; where putrid motion pictures and gangster films cannot be shown."

Professor Allen lists some other specific reasons these Baptist leaders gave Hitler such a pass on the clear evidences of spiritual disaster:

"This focus on [Hitler's] personal piety resulted partially from a frontier religious ethic. On the American frontier, where Baptist strength arose in the Second Great Awakening, the most crucial ethical decisions were personal--alcoholism, spousal abuse and violence. Few complex social structures existed on the frontier to attract a sustained moral critique. Baptists equated eliminating the sins of the flesh with Christian living."

"Mass evangelism was a second factor in Baptist blindness to the Nazi evil. Some Baptists believed that evangelism and the world order were two circles that never intersected ... "Evangelical Christianity transcends all political and social systems," according to an Alabama Baptist article that appeared that same year. As long as governments, even fascist governments, did not interfere with soul-saving, they could be tolerated." [Ibid.]

What would Jesus say in response to this nonsensical line of argument? "Ye blind guides, filtering out a gnat, and gulping down a camel." Matt 23:24; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary]

Professor Allen explains in another article, "How Baptists Assessed Hitler, written in September, 1982:

"Surely a leader who does not smoke or drink, who wants women to be modest, and who is against pornography cannot be all bad, or so the reasoning went. As M. E. Aubrey of England observed in the Baptist Times, Hitler had “brought almost a new Puritanism, which makes its appeal to our Baptist friends, and for the sake of which they can overlook much that cuts across their natural desires.” Baptists from the United States ignored the fact that interpreters were barred from even rendering the word “democracy” in Aubrey’s speech. Priority was placed on personal habits, to the detriment of larger, more vital issues."

M.E. Aubrey admitted there was much about Hitler that was of great concern to Christians, but he smoothed that problem over by stating that Hitler's "new Puritanism" is so strong that Christians can "overlook much" about him that gives them great concern! In other words, Christians who had personally compared Hitler's spiritual fruits against Bible doctrine, and had concluded he was evil, could "overlook" their conclusions because of Hitler's supposed "new Puritanism"!

Professor Allen records for posterity that the numbers of Baptists who felt positive about Hitler was far more than a few radical fringe types:

"“Quite a number of correspondents of our Southern Baptist papers writing about the BWA seemed to have a kindly feeling and a good word for Hitler and his regime,” Wrote R. H. Pitt in "Religious Herald."

Victor I. Masters of the Western Recorder went even further, writing, “Most of the testimony we have from our brethren who went to the [1934] Baptist World Alliance in Berlin has seemed with great spontaneity and readiness to accept the opinion that all is well in Germany."

Did you catch that phrase, uttered even as Hitler was beginning to secretly murder Jews: "all is well in Germany".

Professor Allen drops a bombshell in identifying the major issue blinding Baptists to Hitler: he had them focussing on one major issue:

"A final reason for Baptist vulnerability to Hitler’s 1934 policies was a single-issue criterion for appraising foreign governments: anticommunism. In 1934, if a government was anti-Communist, it deserved recognition and support. Dr. Leek wrote:

'Our observation is, that while Hitlerism is doubtless not the ultimate end, for Germany directly or Europe indirectly, it is for Germany a safe step in the right direction. Nazism has at least been a bar to the universal boast of Bolshevism'
[Alabama Baptist XCIX 36 (September 6, 1934)]."

Another Baptist leader, Dr. Daddy, stated: "Hitler was not perfect, but at least he was anti-Communist."

Therefore, because Hitler strongly opposed Communism, as did international Baptists, it was all right to ignore all the spiritually rotten fruit coming from Hitler and his National Socialist regime!

"I do not remember even a single occasion when Hitler gave any instructions that ran counter to the true Christian spirit and to humaness.
[Wagener, quoted in "Turner, Jr., Henry Ashby, "Hitler-- Memoirs of a Confidant," Yale University Press, 1978, p.147]

Hitler wanted to combine all the regional Protestant churches into a single and united Reich Church. In 1933, a few Protestant Pastors, namely Martin Niemöller, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Karl Barth and others formed the "Pastors Emergency League" which later became known as "The Confessing Church" to oppose the state controlled Nazi Church.

"It bears some importance to understand that Germany did not recognize the Confessing Church as an official Church. Not only the Nazis, but all other Protestant Churches condemned the Confessing Church. They thought of it as a minority opposition that held little power. The vast majority of German churches supported Hitler and his policies against the Jews."
["Christianity In Europe During World War II, by John Walker June 2002].

Many Evangelical and Baptist leaders supported Hitler, especially during the early years, 1921-1939, when their determined opposition might have made a difference.

Evangelical and Baptists supported Hitler because he claimed Jesus as his Lord and Savior.


Adolph Hitler was never a Mormon. Tomsmeddlingdawg can have him back.


tropicalstorm answered on 04/09/07:

Sitting in a garage swearing you are a car or a mechanic doesn't make you one.

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madddawg asked on 04/08/07 - Pericles asked an excellent question that should be posted upon this board.

Is there any record of the fulfilling of the Christian claim of Resurrection , the claim of Armageddon, the claim of the existence of an Antichrist, the claim of the Rapture, the claim of the Revelation / Apocalypse, etc?

What is good for the goose .....
Concerning the resurrection there are several secular sources:

My response:
The Jewish Talmud speaks of the death of Jesus: “On the eve of Passover they hanged Yeshu (of Nazareth) and the herald went before him for forty days saying Yeshu of Nazareth is going forth to be stoned in that he hath practiced sorcery and beguiled astray Israel. Let everyone knowing aught in his defense come and plead for him. But they found naught in his defense and hanged him on the eve of Passover.” (Babylonia Sanhedrin 43a). Evidence that Demands a Verdict, Josh McDowell, Here’s Life Publishers, 1979, page 85-86.
Josephus wrote, “Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.” Antiquities. XVIII.33
There are no records of the battle of Armageddon, the antichrist, the translation of saints, because they are still future events.
One future event still to come is the judgment of all those who die in their sins!!!
Revelation 20:11-15 11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Any other comments?


tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

Like you say there can't be records of things
before they happen but the Bible is full of
end time prophecy.

Matt 24:36 begins with "No one knows about that day or hour that does not mean that we can not know we are approaching the end times tribulation.

I hear people say well Hitler was anti christ, and this already happened and there have always been earthquakes etc...
BUT none of these things have lined up according to how the Bible says the end times will be.

These are just a few of end time prophecy
The Bible says the fig tree would bloom and then the beginning of the end.
Luke 21:29-31, Jesus said that when the fig tree blooms again, people will know that the End Times and Kingdom of God is near. Some Christian scholars believe that the fig tree represents the nation of Israel. This passage is sometimes interpreted to mean that the End Times would not begin until sometime after the nation of Israel regains sovereignty. When Jesus delivered this prophecy about 2000 years ago, Israel was ruled over by the Roman Empire. The people of Israel did not have sovereignty over their own land during that era. But, after centuries of exile, the Jews were able to return to Israel and reclaim sovereignty, in 1948.

Matthew 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes." This is meaning something out of the 'norm' Like earthquakes and so forth happening where they never happened before.

The Bible speaks of gog and magog going against Israel. That is Russia and China and
within the past year I heard that Russia and China are funding Iraq.

the restoration of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the temple.

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Rapture
Many say they will be raptured away because God would not let Christians go through something as horrible as the tribulation. They use Noah being 'lifted' from the earth as an example. BUT the Bible has many stories of God bringing his people through. Like
Daniel and the lions den and Meshack and the fiery furnace. Also why would God allow Paul and the apostles to die horrible deaths for their faith and yet 'save' us from going through the tribulation. The Bible says in the tribulation God will have his seal on his choosen. Christians say that means the people who accept God after the rapture but I don't see that being what it means. I see more that does not support pre-trib rapture.

Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

Matthew 24:22) "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved"

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peddler7118 asked on 04/08/07 - The Fairy Tale Of The Vanishing Snowpack.

Kerry's Lies

tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

I have heard many things on scientists that are not allowed to say anything about global warming being a lie (at least man made global warming) and I still say if it is that bad why are Gore, Pelosi, John Travolta and others not concerned enough to quit contributing enough to global warming for 20 people?


global warming swindle
)

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madddawg asked on 04/08/07 - Lorenzo Snow

Is there any record of the third Mormon President reaching the moon or any of the planets?

Joseph Smith prophesied,
"Thou (Lorenzo Snow) shalt have power to translate thyself from one planet to another; and power to go to the moon." Ed Decker and Dave Hunt The Godmakers, Harvest House Publishers, 1984, page 80.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

Never heard anything on that but the CIA has a multi million dollar program of remote viewers that 'saw' water on the moon before it was possible to ever know.


government remote viewers
)

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MarySusan asked on 04/08/07 - EASTER SUNDAY IS ABOUT REBIRTH!!

It is a happy holiday, rebirth. Plants start growing again after the cold death of winter, animals reproduce and continue life a reminder that human beings can be born again spiritually onto the road to happiness from the dead end of misery!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

AND
ol' sapph is coming out of hybernation....
s-low--ly since it keeps getting COLD again!

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Toms777 asked on 04/08/07 - John 17:3 Who is the Only True God?

hOPE12 put forward the following challenge:

"(John 17:1-3) 17 Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

Most translations here use the expression “the only true God” with reference to the Father. NE
reads“who alone art truly God.” He cannot be “the only true God,” the one “who alone [is] truly
God,” if there are two others who are God to the same degree as he is, can he? Any others referred
to as “gods” must be either false or merely a reflection of the true God.

If the Trinity were true, it should be clearly and consistently presented in the Bible. Why? Because,
as the apostles affirmed, the Bible is God’s revelation of himself to mankind. And since we need to
know God to worship him acceptably, the Bible should be clear in telling us just who he is." (4)


First, the Bible is very clear in telling us who Jesus is and that He is God. I cannot imagine any doctrine
more clearly presented in scripture. To repeat the details would make this a very long document, thus
for the purposes of keeping this document short, I will simply recommend that the reader check out these
documents which provide consider information and references from scripture which show without any
possibility of doubt, that Jesus is God.

1) Is Jesus God? by Tom Smith
2) Is Jesus God? by Larry Mitchell
3) Who is Jesus? by Tom Smith
4) The Trinity by Larry Mitchell

These documents are not exhaustive on the evidence for the deity of Jesus. Indeed, the evidence is so
overwhelming from Genesis through to Revelation that I doubt that anyone in their lifetime to write a book which could exhaustively document the evidence for the deity of Jesus from scripture alone.

Now to the verse mentioned in this quote - let's look at what John 17:1-3 has to say.

John 17:1-4
17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come.
Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all
flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life,
that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
NKJV

Interestingly, the person who posted this message did not carry on to the next two verses, which read:

John 17:4-5
4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
NKJV

Note that Jesus and the Father shared the same glory together before the world began. Jesus is therefore
not, as the Watchtower Society claims, a created being. Indeed, it was Jesus who created everything that is:

Col 1:16-18
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and
for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
NKJV

John 17:3 says that God is the only true God. This raises a question. The Watchtower Society translates
John 1:1 as follows:

"In [the] Beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god" (1)

If God the Father is the only true God, and Jesus is a god, then the Jehovah's witnesses have a bit of a
quandry. Is Jesus there a false god? There interpretation of these verses are contradictory. On the other hand, scripture is clear that God is a trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Here we have no problem in saying that there is one true God, and that Jesus is God.

Scripture is clear.

References:

(1) New Word Translation (NWT), Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, 1961
(2) Scripture taken from the New King James Version. Copyright 1979, 1980, 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by Permission. All rights
reserved.
(3) Reasoning from the Scripture with the Jehovah Witnesses, Ron Rhodes, Harvest House Publishers, 1993
(4) Message from "hOPE12"on Answerway.com, Christianity Board, Sept 30, 2006.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

I hope I didn't complicate things I asked Hope if she would do a post to explain how you can say Jesus is 'a god' and at the same time not be worshiping more than one God which would make you a polytheist.

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hOPE12 asked on 04/08/07 - For Rosekeeper:


Hello Joy,

Anything I say here I do so with respect and hope you take it in the same manner in which I give my understanding. Always be sure of all things Joy. If you can answer the below question after the information on John 1:1, I certainly would be enlightened.
John 1:1


There are few passages in the Bible have received more attention in many
churches John 1:1. The way it reads in many Bible versions is similar to that of the King James Version: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God [ο θεός], and the Word was God [θεός].”
Many who accept the Trinity point to this passage in support of their doctrine. The verse, however, has been rendered differently in some translations, with the acknowledgment that the original Greek reveals a difference that is hidden in renderings such as the above.
If a passage can grammatically be translated in more than one way, what is the correct rendering? One that is in agreement with the rest of the Bible. If a person ignores other portions of the Bible and builds his belief around a favorite rendering of a particular verse, then what he believes really reflects, not the Word of God, but his own ideas and perhaps those of another imperfect human.
John 1:1, 2:
RS reads: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.” (KJ, Dy, JB, NAB use similar wording.) However, NW reads: “In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God.”
Which translation of John 1:1, 2 agrees with the context? John 1:18 says: “No one has ever seen God.” Verse 14 clearly says that “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us . . . we have beheld his glory.” Also, verses 1, 2 say that in the beginning he was “with God.” Can one be with someone and at the same time be that person? At John 17:3, Jesus addresses the Father as “the only true God”; so, Jesus as “a god” merely reflects his Father’s divine qualities.—Heb. 1:3.
Is the rendering “a god” consistent with the rules of Greek grammar? Some reference books argue strongly that the Greek text must be translated, “The Word was God.” But not all agree. In his article “Qualitative Anarthrous Predicate Nouns: Mark 15:39 and John 1:1,” Philip B. Harner said that such clauses as the one in John 1:1, “with an anarthrous predicate preceding the verb, are primarily qualitative in meaning. They indicate that the logos has the nature of theos.” He suggests: “Perhaps the clause could be translated, ‘the Word had the same nature as God.’” (Journal of Biblical Literature, 1973, pp. 85, 87) Thus, in this text, the fact that the word the•os´ in its second occurrence is without the definite article (ho) and is placed before the verb in the sentence in Greek is significant. Interestingly, translators that insist on rendering John 1:1, “The Word was God,” do not hesitate to use the indefinite article (a, an) in their rendering of other passages where a singular anarthrous predicate noun occurs before the verb. Thus at John 6:70, JB and KJ both refer to Judas Iscariot as “a devil,” and at John 9:17 they describe Jesus as “a prophet.”
John J. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated ‘the word was with the God [= the Father], and the word was a divine being.’”—(Brackets are his. Published with nihil obstat and imprimatur.) (New York, 1965), p. 317.
In harmony with the above, AT reads: “the Word was divine”; Mo, “the Logos was divine”; NTIV, “the word was a god.” In his German translation Ludwig Thimme expresses it in this way: “God of a sort the Word was.” Referring to the Word (who became Jesus Christ) as “a god” is consistent with the use of that term in the rest of the Scriptures. For example, at Psalm 82:1-6 human judges in Israel were referred to as “gods” (Hebrew, ’elo•him´; Greek, the•oi´, at John 10:34) because they were representatives of Jehovah and were to speak his law.

Joy Reason on these please and explain them to me. If you are not sure please ask those who are teaching you that there is a Trinity to explain them to you.

I respect you Joy, so reason and think about what is said here and then ask those who believe in the Trinity and that Jesus is God, to explain so you can make a informed choice as to how you will worship God.

Notice this is the –New King James version and the King James Version:::
John 20:17 (New King James Version)

17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”

Now for the King James Version: Not my Bible the NWT
John 20:17 (King James Version)

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 17:3 (King James Version)

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


Now answer these question for me Joy:
1- Who is the Word? If you believe the Word was God, then How can God be with himself?

Verse 2 again, "The same was in the beginning with God>"

Are you saying that God is the Word and he was with himself?

If so, then why does the other scripture like John 17:3 speak of God sending forth his Son?

Joy also can you answer these questions if Jesus is God? ALL SCRIPTURES ARE TAKEN FROM THE NEW KING JAMES VERSION OF- THE BIBLE
Matthew 26:39 (New King James Version)
39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”
Why would Jesus if he was God, pray to himself?
Why if Jesus is God would he have to ask himself the above, ““O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.” And If Jesus is God, why would he say, “Not as I will, but as you will?” If Jesus is God, He would know his own will.
If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.
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John 8:17-18 (New King James Version)
17 It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”
So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father, here, didn’t he???
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Mark 13:32 (New King James Version)
32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Why would only the Father know if Jesus were God? Would Jesus then also know the day and the hour?
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coequal, comprising one Godhead. And if, as some suggest, the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing, the question remains, Why did the Holy Spirit not know?
Matthew 20:20-234 (New King James Version)
20 Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.
21 And He said to her, “What do you wish?”
She said to Him, “Grant that these two sons of mine may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your kingdom.”
22 But Jesus answered and said, “You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?”[a]
They said to Him, “We are able.”
23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with;[b] but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father.”

How strange, if, as claimed, Jesus is God! Was Jesus here merely answering according to his “human nature”? If, as Trinitarians say, Jesus was truly “God-man”—both God and man, not one or the other—would it truly be consistent to resort to such an explanation?

Joy now reason on this notice verse 23. and ask yourself if Jesus is God why was it not his to give? Here is shows that the Father has reserved some prerogative for himself. Why if Jesus is God?

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John 14:28 (New King James Version)
28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,[a] ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

Why would Jesus say this if he was God? Was part of God better then the other part? Or is Jesus in the Bible you all use lying? For what purpose would Jesus say this?


John 17:1-3 (New King James Version)
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”

Why does Jesus pray to himself, if he is God? If Jesus is God why would he need to be glorified?

Take care joy,
Hope12


tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

Can you do a post to explain how you can say Jesus was 'a god' and at the same time not be worshiping more than one God which would make you a polytheist.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/08/07 - Questions for Hope.

If you die today do you know you will go to heaven?
If not why?
How are the 144,000 chosen and where is this in scripture?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

Peddles
Of course they have their explanations to those questions. They believe their religion is the right one and as I THINK it was Joy said they
treat you like you are going totally against the Holy Spirit if you leave their congregation.
From what JW's explained to me, they believe that nobody knows if their ancestors were from the 12 lost tribes and God has somehow supernaturally brought them together as JW's.
They believe that the 144,000 chosen are JW's and that the JW's that are not in the 144,000 chosen get to have eternal life here on earth because this earth never ends. They believe everybody gets a second chance and comes back to life for the millenium to restore it back to paradise and if you are disobedient during the millenium you are annilated into non-existence.

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HANK1 asked on 04/08/07 - CANDY & EASTER:



When it comes to Easter, the name of the game is sugar. From chocolate bunnies to marshmallow chicks, the amount of candy Americans scarf down to celebrate this holiday is enough to send anyone into sugar-shock. Not only will Americans shell out 1.9 billion dollars for Easter candy this year, they’ll also pay the price in terms of calories. The not-so-sweet truth is that candy is not a nutritious food, and its calories stack up fast…

According to the National Confectioner's Association, nearly 80% of people celebrating Easter plan to buy candy. Not only are we eager for Easter confections, but many of us have pronounced Easter candy rituals. For instance, more than three-quarters of all Americans eat the ears on their chocolate bunnies first. Continue nibbling all the way to the toes, and you’ll be getting 230 calories.

Compliments of LifeScript

Are YOU saying NO to sugar today? Hope so!

HANK


tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

I gotta have my daily dose of Pepsi
other than that I don't eat much sugar.
UNLESS someone tempts me with pie, baked cheesecake or extra chocolaty brownies.
AND I told my kid he is old enough to do without the Easter Bunny LOL.
My daughter did say she was buying her boyfriend an Easter Basket because he didn't get to have Easter when he was a kid.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/08/07 - Okay Perk

I am very sorry for your wife.

BTW I found a picture of you.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

Next time you consider suggesting to Perk that he should divorce to marry a whore
THINK TWICE!!! ;)

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hOPE12 asked on 04/07/07 - What is Easter mean to you?

Hello Everyone,

This being a holy weekend for many, a question comes to my mind.

Did Early Christians Celebrate Easter?

Although this holiday is supposed to commemorate Christ’s resurrection, note what secular authorities say regarding it:

“Easter. Originally the spring festival in honor of the Teutonic goddess of light and spring known in Anglo-Saxon as Eastre. As early as the 8th century the name was transferred by the Anglo-Saxons to the Christian festival designed to celebrate the resurrection of Christ.”—The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible (Philadelphia, 1944), by John D. Davis, page 145.

“Everywhere they hunt the many-colored Easter eggs, brought by the Easter rabbit. This is not mere child’s play, but the vestige of a fertility rite, the eggs and the rabbit both symbolizing fertility.”—Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore Mythology and Legend (New York, 1949), Volume 1, page 335.

Having read this my question is,

What does it mean to you?
When did Easter start to your knowledge?

Where in the Bible does it tell us to celebrate Easter and how should a person celebrate Easter?

Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/08/07:

Personally I do not celebrate holidays or birthdays (EXCEPT the 4th of JULY)
I don't simply because because (NO religious reason).
To me Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter you are to remember and give thanks
but you are suppose to do these things daily so
it is just a matter of a little more thought and recognition going into the day than anything else.
When the Bible says not to observe or esteem one day over another it is not saying you should not celebrate. It means the day itself is no better than any other day. It means do not get into the pagan traditions the day may symbolize. That does not mean we can no have a
day set aside to honor or remember something within that day.
The Bible also says
1Ti 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
Does that mean we are not to excercise?

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Bobbye asked on 04/07/07 - THE CRUCIFIXION; GOOD FRIDAY; MARY; KINSMAN (Go'el) REDEEMER

(1) Does the "Kinsman-Redeemer (Go'el) Principle," as demonstrated in the Book of Ruth, apply to Jesus' leaving Mary in the care of John The Apostle (first cousin to Jesus: his mother Salome was a sister to Mary, the Mother of Jesus)?

(2) Does Jesus' leaving Mary in the care of John (who was yet a young, young man by the standards of the day) prove that Mary bore no other children?

(3) Would Jesus have left Mary in John's care (and it is believed that she lived out her life in Ephesus with the elder John. Ephesus was the church/group who put John on the Isle of Patmos) if there were other "blood" siblings?

I'm well versed in the Scriptures that refer to Jesus' brethren and sisters. However, the Kinsman-Redeemer Principle continued in effect in N.T. times, as the Jewish nation, as a whole, did not come under "grace" in N.t. times. Also, just as we refer to our brothers and sisters in Christ as "Brother" or "Sister," so it was in N.T. times. Nephews (Lot, for example was called a "brother" to Abraham); cousins, etc., were referred to as "brothers."

Thanks,
Bobbye
P.S. "Kinsman-Redeemer Principle:"

THE KINSMAN-REDEEMER WAS "THE DEFENDER OF FAMILY RIGHTS." This individual was a close relative who had financial resources to rescue a poverty-stricken family member, stepping in to save that relative from slavery or from having to sell the family's ancestral land.

In the story of Ruth, Boaz redeemed the land that Naomi was about to sell. He also took on another of the Kinsman-Redeemer's responsibilities; i.e., "the obligation to provide an heir for Ruth's deceased husband, Mahlon." THIS WAS CALLED A "LEVIRATE MARRIAGE."

THE KINSMAN-REDEEMER (Go'el):
(1) Must be nearest of kin: Leviticus 25:48

(2) Must be able to redeem (Ruth 4:4-6). He must be free of any calamity or need of redemption himself.

(3) Must be willing to redeem.Ruth 4:6

(4) Redemption completed when the price was paid. Leviticus 25:27; Ruth 4:7-11

tropicalstorm answered on 04/07/07:

The only explanation I have come up with is that Mary and John both believed whereas Jesus' brothers and sisters did not. Jesus looked down from the cross and in a sense
In saying those words, Jesus did not disown his family. Rather, Jesus told them and us that there is a higher allegiance, there are higher ties than even family ties. The highest, most important allegiance we have is to the family of God that is characterized by doing his the Father's will. And just as it is so often said: "If there is anybody you can depend on its family," Jesus was telling us that if there is anyone we can depend on it ought to be the family of God, brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers that do the God's will.

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MaggieB asked on 04/07/07 - What does the "easter bunny" have to do with Easter?

This I found which explains quite a bit of the question.


The Easter bunny has its origin in pre-Christian fertility lore. The Hare and the Rabbit were the most fertile animals known and they served as symbols of the new life during the Spring season.

The bunny as an Easter symbol seems to have it's origins in Germany, where it was first mentioned in German writings in the 1500s. The first edible Easter bunnies were made in Germany during the early 1800s. These were made of pastry and sugar.

The Easter bunny was introduced to American folklore by the German settlers who arrived in the Pennsylvania Dutch country during the 1700s. The arrival of the "Oschter Haws" was considered "childhood's greatest pleasure" next to a visit from Christ-Kindel on Christmas Eve. The children believed that if they were good the "Oschter Haws" would lay a nest of colored eggs.

The children would build their nest in a secluded place in the home, the barn or the garden. Boys would use their caps and girls their bonnets to make the nests . The use of elaborate Easter baskets would come later as the tradition of the Easter bunny spread through out the country.

MaggieB

tropicalstorm answered on 04/07/07:

YEAH AND here is the Easter egg part of the equinox.
The Easter egg

For many cultures the egg has long been a symbol of new life. The ancient Egyptians, Persians, Hindus and others believed that the world began with a giant egg.
Because the egg was considered a symbol of new life by many ancient cultures, it was celebrated during springtime. In ancient Rome, for instance, eggs were decorated and given as part of the equinox celebration.

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Toms777 asked on 04/07/07 - Must we believe False Prophecy?

Maddawg's last questions raised an interesting question regarding false prophecies. On the court record of the Douglas Walsh trial, held in the 1950's in Scotland, we read the following excerpt from the testimony of Haydon C. Covington, legal counsel for the Watchtower Society. (I can provide a scanned copy of the page upon request):


Q. Back to the point now. A false prophesy was promulgated?
A. I agree that.
Q. It had to be accepted by Jehovah?s Witnesses?
A. That is correct.

Q. If a member of Jehovah?s Witnesses took the view himself that that prophesy was wrong and said so he would be disfellowshipped?
A. Yes, if he said so and kept persisting in creating trouble, because if the whole organisation believes one thing, even though it be erronious and somebody else starts on his own trying to put his ideas across then there is disunity and trouble, there cannot be harmony, there cannot be marching. When a change comes it should come from the proper source, the head of the organisation, the governing body, not from the bottom upwards, because everybody would have ideas, and the organisation would disintegrate and go in a thousand different directions. Our purpose is to have unity.
Q. Unity at all costs?
A. Unity at all costs, because we believe and are sure that Jehovah God is using our organisation, the governing body of our organisation to direct it, even though mistakes are made from time to time.
Q. And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of false prophecy?
A. That is conceded to be true.

Q. And the person who expressed his view, as you say, that it was wrong, and was disfellowshipped, would be in breach of the Covenant, if he was baptized?
A. That is correct.
Q. And as you said yesterday expressly, would be worthy of death?
A. I think - - -
Q. Would you say yes or no?
A. I will answer yes, unhesitatingly.
Q. Do you call that religion?
A. It certainly is.
Q. Do you call it Christianity?
A. I certainly do.


My question is:

Is unity so important as to require that we believe false prophecy or be deemed worthy of death and if so, where would we find support for this position in the Bible?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/07/07:

I don't think we are to believe false prophets for unity's sake and the Old Testament does say that false prophets are to be put to death.
I have often wondered about false prophecies because the churches such as Pat Robertson's followers warn against false prophets yet Pat Robertson and others have falsely prophesied
yet they overlook that or make excuses.


false prophets
)

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HANK1 asked on 04/07/07 - Just Wondering ...


if we are punished for our parents' sins?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/07/07:

N0
BUT we do have a tendency to follow our parents
which ends up being our parents ourself.
Like people always swearing they will never be an alcoholic or beat their spouse or kids like their parents did and then they turn around and do the exact same thing.
I always hear people saying, "Oh no, I am becoming my (mother)(father) when they catch themselves acting like something their parents would do. I guess it is the nuture aspect of repeating learned behavior no matter how much you hated it in your parents.

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madddawg asked on 04/07/07 - Jehovah Witness flip flop

Can anyone explain why the Russelites changed the highlighted statements listed below?

** Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1908) p.228 ***
That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished. With these two thought in mind, we can approximate the time of the deliverance.

** Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1937) p.228 ***
That the deliverance of the saints will take place some time after 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place thereafter, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished. With these two thought in mind, we can approximate the time of the deliverance.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/07/07:

Hope and JW's will tell you what their leaders in the past said is irrelevant because they have no control over what is past. The verses in the Bible about false prophets doesn't apply.......
...for what ever reasons?

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madddawg asked on 04/07/07 - Joseph Smith - the way to God?

Brigham Young stated,
No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the Celestial Kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith.

From the day that the priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith as a passport to their entrance into the mansion above where God and Christ are - I with you and you with me.

I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys to rule in the spirit world and he rules triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh. Journal of Discourses, Ed Decker and Dave Hunt, The Godmakers, page 41

But the infallible word of God says
Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Who should we believe? Jesus or Brigham Young?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/07/07:

meet the 72 virgins

(its as believable as Smith helping St Peter
at the Pearly gates)

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STONY asked on 04/07/07 - CAN ANYONE ANSWER MY ? IN MANAGEMENT..

NOBODY HAS VISITED THERE IN SO LONG THERE IS DUST ON THE FLOOR?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/07/07:

well they will see the foot prints of anybody that breaks in while they are on their extended indefinite vacation then.

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HANK1 asked on 04/06/07 - FREE ASSOCIATION:


This is the device idiots use when they say whatever comes to mind. Hoping some earthlings improve is an illegitimate infringement on their autonomy. Simply stated, they have self-defeating habits and repetitive problems. These chronic patterns are hard to unravel, if not impossible. But, we all know this, don't we?

Since this is Good Friday, at least we can take a little time to be thankful and grateful for all that we have. I would like to read YOUR definition of APPRECIATION.

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/06/07:

My definition of appreciation is every time
I have a good day.
But then on my bad days I appreciate them when they are over.
Then my bad times I can usually-sometimes find something to appreciate except for the fact that it was a bad day in general.
I just have to keep remembering the verse about everything working out for the good and usually somewhere along the way it does --usually.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/06/07 - Man can see God. Man Has seen God, and lived.




The board should express their thanks to Toms777 for pointing out a Biblical truth: that man and men have seen God and lived. God is only invisible when he wants to be, but is visible also when he wants to be.

Did you know that?



tropicalstorm answered on 04/06/07:

Basically and definitely Gods choice AND NOT mans. Man can't even grasp God in his truest form from what is in the Bible so how is man going to 'see' God when they often create him in their own image and interpretations.
You can't recognize a stranger can you?

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madddawg asked on 04/06/07 - God of Kolob

Is the God that was born on a planet near Kolob the same as the God of the Bible?

The false gods of Kolob are described in this famous hymn.

If you could hie to Kolob.
If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward with the speed of light to fly,
D’ye think that you could ever, through all eternity,
Find out the generation where Gods began to be?

Or see the grand beginning, where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation where Gods and matter end?
Methinks the Spirit whispers, “No man had found pure space,”
Nor seen the outside curtains, where nothing has a place.

The works of God continue, and the worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter; there is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit; there is no end to race.

But the God of the Bible is described as everlasting.
Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.


tropicalstorm answered on 04/06/07:

I heard Jimmy Swaggart do a sermon on how he believes God lives on a literal planet.
God could live on a planet if he choose to that is his perogative. BUT to me people saying that sound like they are creating God to their limited comprehension.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/06/07 - Evolution and Racial Hatred


Ota Benga
The Pygmy in the Zoo

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Ota Benga, or Otabenga, pictured above, was an African Forest Person, said to be of the Bachichiri, a family of "Bushmen" originally living in the forests along the Kasai River in what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo. He was captured in a raid by the Baschilele, who were said to have killed his family and burned his house, then turned him over to the Zappo-Zap, a tribe of African natives loyal to King Leopold II, of Belgium, absentee owner of the Congo Free State. He was held captive until acquired by Samuel Phillips Verner, a Missionary-Explorer from South Carolina who was looking for "Pygmies" who would come to be exhibited at the St. Louis Exposition of 1904.
Ota helped Verner convince other Africans, who lived in and around the village of Chief Ndombe to come to St. Louis and build a representative and "authentic" native African village for the World's Fair visitors to see, alongside thousands of other native tribesmen from all over the World.

After they returned to Africa, Verner and Ota spent 18 months exploring and collecting artifacts in Central Africa. Once Verner was ready to return to America, Ota asked to join him on his trip to New York in the summer of 1906. Once in New York City, Verner was bankrupt and the Guardian Trust Company seized his collections, which Verner had hoped could be sold to the American Museum of Natural History. Verner left Ota in the care of the Museum while he went back to South Carolina seeking family support. Motivated by good intentions, Ota's caretakers transferred him to the Bronx Zoo where he was made into a sensation as an exhibit of evolution, residing in the primate house with an Orangutan as a roommate.



The letter, shown above, was written to Ota (Otabenga) in an a phonetic transliteration of Ota's language by Verner (known to Ota as "Fwela"), while Ota was at the Museum. The letter begins with the greeting "Moiyo"

It was widely believed at this time, even by eminent scientists, that blacks were evolutionarily inferior to Caucasians, but caging one in a zoo produced much publicity.10 In Bridges’ words:

‘On September 9, a genuine African Pygmy, belonging to the sub-race commonly miscalled “the dwarfs,” … Ota Benga is a well-developed little man, with a good head, bright eyes and a pleasing countenance. He is not hairy, and is not covered by the “downy fell” described by some explorers … He is happiest when at work, making something with his hands.

Extricated by well-intended ministers of religion, Ota was transferred through several eleemosynary institutions of learning, while Verner was kept busy with new plans for African empire building with backing from New York millionaires.

After Ota Benga left the zoo, he was able to find sympathetic care at a succession of institutions and with several sympathetic individuals. But he was never able to shed his ‘freak’ label. Employed in a tobacco factory in Lynchburg, Virginia, Ota Benga grew increasingly depressed, hostile, irrational, and forlorn. Concluding that he would never be able to return to his native land, in 1916 Benga committed suicide by shooting himself with a borrowed pistol.

The story of Ota Benga is one of the many tragic fruits of evolutionism. But it is one which contains a lesson in helping us to realize the importance of the Christian teaching that all men are brothers, all descendants of Adam and Eve. If all Christians had stood up for creation at the outset of the Ota Benga incident, this horror story of evolutionary racism might have been averted.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/06/07:

that is sad and depressing!

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domino asked on 04/05/07 - Peddler comes a cropper...AGAIN.

In responding to PrinceHassem, Peddler Loudly declaims: 'THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BIBLICAL HEBREW'......so how do we explain the encylopedic entry: BIBLICAL HEBREW: sometimes called Classical Hebrew is an Archaic Form of the Hebrew Language, in which the Hebrew Bible, the "Tanakh" was written, and which the Ancient Israelites spoke"!!!!

Is this one on a par with her claim: "No one knows who built the Great Pyramid"....Or "The evolutionsist killed the Aborigines and boiled them to pass off their skulls as Neanderthals"????????????

AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE HER INTERPRETATIONS OF SCRIPTURE SERIOUSLY??????

tropicalstorm answered on 04/06/07:

gee how can Peddles believe the Bible literally if he is right about that? Is it possible?
What translation does Peddles use?
Does Toms need to start preaching against Peddles 'religion' as a cult?


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hOPE12 asked on 04/05/07 - I say this again.

Hello everyone,
Belle is correct I have said I will use "Toms" choice of Bible versions and it will say the same thing. The Bible the Jehovah's Witnesses use is different in that we use God's name "Jehovah" in Hebre YHWH. JW's have just used the vowels which Hebrew faith did not use vowel. The Bible we use is in modern day language, like we speak in todays world. This add to better understanding.

If someone wishes to post one scripture on the board, I will post what the New World Translation Says at that same scripture. You all then can make a conscientious choice as to if our copy of the scriptures say the same or not. All one needs to do is use common sense and discernment.

I though if any feel comfortable with the Version they use, please tell me that version and I will explain my comment with that version. The truth never changes no matter what Bible is used. Why? God never changes and the Bible over the many years has not changed. Only mans interpretation has changed.

Please feel free to quote me, "I will use whatever Bible Tom777 chooses to use. One scripture at a time and from the version that Tom wants to and nothing else. No articles, and no church doctorine, Just that version of the Bible. I feel so confident that the Bible does not change and that the Copy of the Bible that JW's use does not change in meaning, I have made myself obligated to use Tom777 copy of the Bible.

I think that is fair, don't you guys?
Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 04/05/07:

I think it would be a good idea to post both side by side because there are little differences with little two and three letter words that can give a whole different meaning.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/05/07 - The Best of America

Person of the Week

tropicalstorm answered on 04/05/07:

I was just thinking the other day we need someone like Bob Hope to do something nice for the soldiers to show they are not sent over there and forgotten.

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domino asked on 04/04/07 - Hallelujah!!!!

Have just learned that 273 of my dear friends and business associates have left fundamentalist Christianiy and converted to Islam!!!! Allah does, indeed work in mysterious ways!!!
But they need ALL of your prayers... their fundamentlist Christian families have threatened to spread the rumour that they are all 'undercover' ARABS for Jesus!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 04/04/07:

Are their families still stuck in fundism?

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Pericles asked on 04/03/07 - Mary Susan (and others) .................................


Dear Mary Sue (and others) :

That would make a good and interesting topic, I think ...
When you return in full, just tell of your wishes and desires !!!

:)

.

tropicalstorm answered on 04/03/07:

here I was going to ask her if she wanted to play some shuffle board at this senior citizens board.

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CeeBee2 asked on 04/03/07 - What physical element is necessary for Baptism?

The Bible says "water". Could Kool-Aid or oil or even saliva be used in a pinch? or nothing, just the Word?

tropicalstorm answered on 04/03/07:

only if you don't mind being dunked in a vat full of koolaid or oil or saliva.

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MarySusan asked on 04/01/07 - SUPERSTITION

Apparently, the Christians here don't know the meaning of superstitious, so here is the dictionary definition-in the interest of education for the ternimally stupid. :)

su·per·sti·tion /ˌsupərˈstɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[soo-per-stish-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.
2. a system or collection of such beliefs.
3. a custom or act based on such a belief.
4. irrational fear of what is unknown or mysterious, esp. in connection with religion.
5. any blindly accepted belief or notion.
[Origin: 1375–1425; late ME < L superstitiōn-
Thanks to on-line dictionary.

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So, superstition is pretty much the definition of the Christian religion. :):):)

I specially like "any blindly accepted belief or notion".

tropicalstorm answered on 04/01/07:

Does that nullify or mean that Peddlers alien/Pyramid theory that it is *superstition* is or isn't superstition TO HIM?
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!

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HANK1 asked on 04/01/07 - SAPPHIRE:



I couldn't get my clarification to work. So, the following:

Ain't this a hoot?

Yardage, Course Rating, and Slope are from the back tees. (I play from the back tees)

Ancala Country Club, 11700 E Via Linda St, Scottsdale, AZ 85259, (480)391-2777, private, 18 hole, 6841 yds, Par 72, CR-73.6, S-152
Camelback Golf Club
Club Course, 7847 N Mockingbird Ln, Scottsdale, AZ 85253, (480)596-7050, resort, 36 hole, 7014 yds, Par 72, CR-72.6, S-122
Resort Course, 7847 N Mockingbird Ln, Scottsdale, AZ 85253, (480)596-7050, resort, 36 hole, 6903 yds, Par 72, CR-72.3, S-131
Continental Golf Course, 7920 E Osborn Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251, (480)990-3286, public, 18 hole, 3766 yds, Par 60, CR-57.7, S-78
Coronado Golf Course, 2829 N Miller Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85257, (480)947-8364, public, 9 hole, 3700 yds, Par 62, CR-56.7, S-75
Country Club at DC Ranch, The, 9290 E Thompson Peak Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)502-6905, private, 18 hole, 6872 yds, Par 71, CR-72.4, S-130
Cypress Golf Course
Long Nine Course, 10801 E McDowell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85256, (480)946-5155, public, 18 hole, 3369 yds, Par 36, CR-72.6, S-124
Short Nine Course, 10801 E McDowell Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85256, (480)946-5155, public, 18 hole, 1470 yds, Par 30, CR-56.9, S-77
Desert Highlands Golf Club, 10040 E Happy Valley Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)585-8521, private, 18 hole, 7072 yds, Par 72, CR-73.9, S-151
Desert Mountain
Apache Course, 10333 E Rockaway Hills Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85262, (480)488-1362, private, 90 hole, 7211 yds, Par 72, CR-73.9, S-137
Chiricahua Course, 10333 E Rockaway Hills Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85262, (480)488-1362, private, 90 hole, 7424 yds, Par 72, CR-76.1, S-154
Cochise Course, 10333 E Rockaway Hills Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85262, (480)488-1362, private, 90 hole, 7048 yds, Par 72, CR-73.8, S-136
Geronimo Course, 10333 E Rockaway Hills Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85262, (480)488-1362, private, 90 hole, 7414 yds, Par 72, CR-75.2, S-152
Renegade Course, 10333 E Rockaway Hills Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85262, (480)488-1362, private, 90 hole, 7515 yds, Par 73, CR-76.6, S-138
Estancia Club, The, 9801 E Dynamite Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)473-4400, private, 18 hole, 7146 yds, Par 72, CR-73.7, S-135
Gainey Ranch Golf Club
Arroyo/Lakes Course, 7600 Gainey Club Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85258, (480)483-2582, resort, 27 hole, 6800 yds, Par 72, CR-71.9, S-128
Dunes/Arroyo Course, 7600 Gainey Club Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85258, (480)483-2582, resort, 27 hole, 6662 yds, Par 72, CR-70.7, S-124
Lakes/Dunes Course, 7600 Gainey Club Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85258, (480)483-2582, resort, 27 hole, 6614 yds, Par 72, CR-71.0, S-125
Grayhawk Golf Club
Raptor Course, 8620 E Thompson Peak Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)502-1800, public, 36 hole, 7135 yds, Par 72, CR-74.0, S-136
Talon Course, 8620 E Thompson Peak Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)502-1800, public, 36 hole, 6973 yds, Par 72, CR-73.6, S-143
Legend Trail Golf Club, 9462 Legendery Ln, Scottsdale, AZ 85262, (480)488-7434, public, 18 hole, 6845 yds, Par 72, CR-72.3, S-135
Marriott's Mountain Shadows Resort & Golf Club, 5641 E Lincoln Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85253, (480)951-5427, resort, 18 hole, 3081 yds, Par 56, CR-56.9, S-87
McCormick Ranch Golf Club
Palm Course, 7505 E McCormick Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85258, (480)948-0260, public, 36 hole, 7044 yds, Par 72, CR-73.7, S-137
Pine Course, 7505 E McCormick Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85258, (480)948-0260, public, 36 hole, 7187 yds, Par 72, CR-74.4, S-135
Orange Tree Golf & Conference Resort, 10601 N 56th St, Scottsdale, AZ 85254, (480)948-3730, resort, 18 hole, 6762 yds, Par 72, CR-71.3, S-122
Pavilion Lakes Golf Club, 8870 E Indian Bend Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85250, (480)948-3370, public, 18 hole, 6515 yds, Par 71, CR-70.1, S-120
Phoenician, The
Canyon/Oasis Course, 6000 E Camelback Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251, (480)423-2449, resort, 27 hole, 6258 yds, Par 70, CR-70.1, S-130
Desert/Canyon Course, 6000 E Camelback Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251, (480)423-2449, resort, 27 hole, 6068 yds, Par 70, CR-69.4, S-131
Oasis/Desert Course, 6000 E Camelback Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251, (480)423-2449, resort, 27 hole, 6310 yds, Par 70, CR-70.3, S-130
Pinnacle Peak Country Club, 8701 E Pinnacle Peak Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)585-0385, private, 18 hole, 7030 yds, Par 72, CR-72.8, S-130
Scottsdale Country Club
North/East Course, 7702 E Shea Blvd, Scottsdale, AZ 85260, (480)948-6000, semi-private, 27 hole, 6292 yds, Par 71, CR-69.7, S-119
North/South Course, 7702 E Shea Blvd, Scottsdale, AZ 85260, (480)948-6000, semi-private, 27 hole, 6085 yds, Par 70, CR-68.6, S-125
South/East Course, 7702 E Shea Blvd, Scottsdale, AZ 85260, (480)948-6000, semi-private, 27 hole, 6335 yds, Par 71, CR-69.6, S-118
Talking Stick Golf Club
North Course, 9998 E Indian Bend Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85256, (480)860-2221, public, 36 hole, 7133 yds, Par 70, CR-N/A, S-N/A
South Course, 9998 E Indian Bend Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85256, (480)860-2221, public, 36 hole, 6833 yds, Par 71, CR-N/A, S-N/A
Terravita Golf Club, 34034 N 69th Way, Scottsdale, AZ 85262, (480)488-1333, private, 18 hole, 7186 yds, Par 72, CR-74.4, S-139
TPC of Scottsdale
Desert Course, 17020 N Hayden Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)585-4334, semi-private, 36 hole, 6423 yds, Par 70, CR-69.9, S-119
Stadium Course, 17020 N Hayden Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)585-4334, semi-private, 36 hole, 7216 yds, Par 71, CR-74.6, S-138
Troon Golf & Country Club, 25000 N Windy Walk Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)585-0540, private, 18 hole, 7041 yds, Par 72, CR-73.7, S-148
Troon North Golf Club
Monument Course, 10320 E Dynamite Blvd, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)585-5300, semi-private, 36 hole, 7028 yds, Par 72, CR-73.3, S-147
Pinnacle Course, 10320 E Dynamite Blvd, Scottsdale, AZ 85255, (480)585-5300, semi-private, 36 hole, 7044 yds, Par 72, CR-73.4, S-147
Villa Monterey Public Golf Course, 8100 E Camelback Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251, (480)990-7100, public, 9 hole, 2035 yds, Par 30, CR-56.7, S-85
Westin Kierland Resort & Spa, The
Acacia/Mesquite Course, 15636 Clubgate Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85254, (480)922-9283, public, 27 hole, 6913 yds, Par 72, CR-72.6, S-133
Ironwood/Acacia Course, 15636 Clubgate Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85254, (480)922-9283, public, 27 hole, 6974 yds, Par 72, CR-72.9, S-130
Mesquite/Ironwood Course, 15636 Clubgate Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85254, (480)922-9283, public, 27 hole, 7017 yds, Par 72, CR-73.3, S-133

* AZ climate and golf courses is why we settled in Scottsdale.

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/01/07:

My bosses dad is a golf fanatic and he told me
Phoenix is the golf capital. I will ask him if I ever get to see him which is the best. He told me a couple years ago but me not being
into golf don't remember.
AZ's climate is one reason WHY I want to move to Phoenix but this past winter was cold there.
I heard the crime is getting bad too.
I CAN'T WAIT TO GET THERE!!!

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HANK1 asked on 04/01/07 - Our New Church ... I Think:



Bethany Lutheran Church

4300 N 82nd St

Scottsdale, AZ 85251

Anyone familiar with this Church?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 04/01/07:

Hank I hear there are loads of golf courses in Phoenix. Everybody tells me that Paradise Valley is a nice mall.
I'll help you look for a good church in Sept
when I get there.
In the mean time if you run across a cheap place for rent that allows large dogs that will be available in Sept let me know.

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Pete. asked on 04/01/07 - Fred Phelps

I have just watched a TV film about Fred Phelps, made by Louis Theroux.

What is your opinion on Fred?

I would love to see your comments.....Remember I am in the UK!


Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 04/01/07:

He got a degree in law and religion and started his church with the sole purpose of going to
gay rallies and later military funerals with the sole purpose of getting publicity and suing if he wasn't given a permit or suing if he did get the permit and anybody tried to stop him at the rallies or funerals.
He is 100% scam.

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HANK1 asked on 04/01/07 - AUTHOR UNKNOWN:


1. If I like it, it's mine.
2. If it's in my arms, it's mine.
3. If I can take it from you, it's mine.
4. If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.
5. If it's mine, it must never appear to be yours in any way.
6. If I'm doing or building something, all the pieces are mine.
7. If it looks just like mine, it's mine.
8. If I think it's mine, it's mine."

Glad to be back. What a happy time this is for the two of us. Let's straighten out ALL of the problems in the World. Where should we start? As Fred says, "Peace and kindness." Hope all of you are well and happy. (Everything went better than planned)

HANK


tropicalstorm answered on 04/01/07:

hope you plan to stay :)

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arcura asked on 03/31/07 - Have you heard this on the TV or radio?????????????

HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE TWO DUCK HUNTERS FROM WISCONSIN?
ABSOLUTELY A TRUE STORY HEARD ON A WISCONSIN RADIO STATION REPORTING
ON THE INCIDENT.

A guy buys a new Lincoln Navigator for $42,500.00 (with monthly
payments of $560.00).

He and a friend goes duck hunting in upper Wisconsin. It's mid-
winter; and of course all of the lakes are frozen. These two guys go
out on the ice with their GUNS, a DOG, and of course the new NAVIGATOR.
They decide they want to make a natural looking open water area for
the ducks to focus o n, something for the decoys to float on.

Now making a hole in the ice large enough to invite a passing duck is
going to take a little more power than the average drill auger can
produce.

So, out of the back of the new Navigator comes a stick of dynamite
with a short 40 second-fuse. Now our two Rocket Scientists, afraid
they might slip on the ice while trying to run away after lighting
the fuse
(and becoming toast, along with the Navigator), decide on the
following course of action: they light the 40 second fuse; then, with
a mighty thrust, they throw the stick of dynamite as far away as
possible.


Remember a couple of paragraphs back when I mentioned the NAVIGATOR,
the GUNS, and the DOG...???

Let's talk about the dog: A highly trained Black Lab used for
RETRIEVING; especially things thrown by the owner. You guessed it:
the dog takes off across the ice at a high rate of speed and grabs
the stick of dynamite, with the burning 40-second fuse, just as it
hits the ice.

The two men swallow, blink, start waving their arms and, with veins
in their necks swelling to resemble stalks of rhubarb, scream and
holler at the dog to stop. The dog, now apparently cheered on by his
master,
keeps coming.

One hunter panics, grabs the shotgun and shoots the dog. The shotgun
is loaded with #8 bird shot, hardly big enough to stop a Black Lab.
The dog stops for a moment, slightly confused, then continues on.
Another shot, and this time the dog, still standing, becomes really
confused and of course terrified, thinks these two geniuses have gone
insane. The dog takes off to find cover, UNDER the brand new Navigator.

The men continue to scream as they run. The red hot exhaust pipe on
the truck touches the dog's rear end, he yelps, drops the dynamite
under the truck and takes off after his master.


Then " "" "" "" "" " BOOOOOOOOOOOOM " "" "" "" "" "" " ! ! ! !

The truck is blown to bits and sinks to the bottom of the lake,
leaving the two idiots standing there with "I can't believe this just
happened" looks on their faces.

The insurance company says that sinking a vehicle in a lake by
illegal use of explosives is NOT COVERED by the policy. And he still
had yet to make the first of those $560.00 a month payments.

The dog is okay...doing fine. And you thought Rednecks lived in the
South......








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tropicalstorm answered on 03/31/07:

That is absolutely the best of the best of dumb people stories I ever did hear!
Can you imagine every time they see their dog they must wanna kill it!

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CeeBee2 asked on 03/31/07 - Could the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the flesh"

have been that he was a homosexual?

Whether your answer is no or yes, please give Biblical, historical, cultural, or any other evidence/documentation you deem useful.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/31/07:

The Bible doesn't say. 'Thorn,' could be a physical ailment of some sort ('in the flesh'), a harassing 'demon', or the constant harassment of Jewish persecutors. Through the history of the church no agreement has been reached among hundreds of commentators. The "thorn" of Paul's experiences is probably not identified
so we could more readily apply it to a variety of trials faced in our life. Few of God's servants have been free from at least some kind of hindrance, weakness or opposition.
Whatever it was, being an affliction implies it is something the person wishes they didn't have.

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MaggieB asked on 03/30/07 - Lack Understanding



I am writing to you to ask for your help in shedding light on a
perplexing situation I find myself contemplating.

I have selected you as a group to aid me because some of you have known
me for at least quite a few years and I value your opinion.

Your religious experiences are varied and that is important to the
problem I am faced with.

Over the years, we have all observed the seemingly random factors that
affect all of our lives, sometimes without apparent rhyme or reason. We
have seen some marriages dissolve over nothing and others grow stronger under
adverse conditions.

We have seen fate play a role in who survives critical illnesses and who
succumbs to them.

We have all seen good people suffer great misfortunes while some people
of low character thrive.

In our lifetime, we have seen Churches and Religious institutions all
around the world become revised, televised, energized and even scandalized.

We are all well aware that a higher power has control of nearly all
things.

Personally, I have stood in the doorway of a Seven-Eleven in Atlanta,
amid a shootout between the police and a gunman and walked away unscathed.

On a golf course, I saw a lightning bolt strike a man dead while those
of us nearby where untouched.

We all watched as Hurricane Katrina ravaged some areas of the coast and
left other nearby homes standing intact. The enormity of these random and
seemingly unfair applications of good or bad fortune is at the core of
my dilemma.

I have studied sacred writings of all major religions searching for an
answer, and now I pose the question to you ....

I cannot fathom that the highest power in this universe could take Anna
Nicole from us and leave Hillary behind.


Respectfully,
Bill C.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/31/07:

I find one problem with this on the logic side...
IF Hillary died how would old Bill have a chance at a third term in the White House!?

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Toms777 asked on 03/31/07 - Were JWs Persecuted?

No one has denied this.

But as stated before, the historic record shows that they stated their alignment with the Nazi movement and pleaded for Hitler's help to protect them. He chose not to do so. the same is true of many other groups, Jews, gypsies, etc., but simply being persecuted does not prove anything. Being persecuted is not a choice that we have, but a choice made by the persecutor.

Others willingly chose to put themselves in harms way even though they were not in any direct danger. Some may also have been JWs, but this does not take away from the reality of history and the efforts of the JWs to appease Hitler to save themselves.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/31/07:

I think I am having the similar disagreement with Peddler about Hitler in relation to Catholics and other Christians. And I think Peddler hit it right on one point, most of it was politics vs who personally went against
Hitler RATHER than the religion itself and the agreements the Pope or the JW organization itself might have made politically speaking.
I remember back in the seventies reading the letters that tied JW's with Hitler just like
I remembered that news article I googled from
.....the atheist site..

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MaggieB asked on 03/30/07 - Interesting Study!

architect claims to solve pyramid secret By LAURENCE JOAN-GRANGE, Associated Press Writer

PARIS - A French architect claimed Friday to have uncovered the mystery about how Egypt's Great Pyramid of Khufu was built — with use of a spiral ramp to hoist huge stone blocks into place.

The construction of the Great Pyramid 4,500 years ago by Khufu, a ruler also known as Cheops, has long befuddled scientists as to how its 3 million stone blocks weighing 2.5 tons each were lifted into place.

Ending eight years of study on the subject, architect Jean-Pierre Houdin released his findings and a computerized 3-D mockup showing how workers would have erected the pyramid at Giza outside Cairo.

The most widespread theory had been that an outer ramp had been used by the Egyptians, who left few traces to help archeologists and other scientists decode the secret to the construction.

Houdin said he had taken into account the copper and stone tools available at the time, the granite and limestone blocks, the location of the pyramid and the strength and knowledge of the workers.

According to his theory — shown in a computer model available at http://www.3ds.com/khufu — the builders put up an outer ramp for the first 141 feet, then constructed an inner ramp in a corkscrew shape to complete the 446-feet structure.

Houdin said he based his theory partially on work by fellow Frenchman Gilles Dormion, who has studied pyramid construction for more than 20 years.

Houdin also postulated that King's Chamber, situated 43 meters above the pyramid's base and capped with granite ceilings, was hoisted into place through a system of counterweights.

Houdin said he plans to verify his theories through non-invasive tests on site

tropicalstorm answered on 03/31/07:

On George sNoory they have been saying for over a year that they believe the pyramids were most likely built by ramps or by pouring a concrete type mixture right where they want them.
I think the pyramids are really interesting how they were built in line with the stars and astrology.

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PrinceHassim asked on 03/30/07 - A question for Christians who believe they must share the gospel with others.


Please give this some thought.

If you ask me for a piece of cake, would you prefer to receive it from me

(A) served on a silver platter with social niceties and a wish for your enjoyment, or will you be satisfied

(B) if I grasp a handful of Black Forest Gateaux, squish it between my fingers, and smear it all over your face?

Is it preferred for Christians to share the gospel with others using method A or method B?

What would Jesus do? References to Jesus cleaning the temple and/or slagging off the Pharisees for their hypocrisies must not form part of your answer.

How do you think (chapter and verses please) Jesus wants his Gospel Gateaux presented to make it attractive to those yet to decide for him?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/30/07:

I got me a piece of the black forest cake and it wasn't squished or anything,
but the one puttin' that icing on the cake sure can make
one bitter icing....and icing is my favorite piece of the cake...........................
when done RIGHT!!!

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MarySusan asked on 03/30/07 - First Amendment and Christianity

Storm Over Chocolate Jesus



"A New York gallery has angered a US Catholic group with its decision to exhibit a milk chocolate sculpture of Jesus Christ.

The six-foot (1.8m) sculpture, entitled "My Sweet Lord", depicts Jesus Christ naked on the cross.

Catholic League head Bill Donohue called it "one of the worst assaults on Christian sensibilities ever".

The sculpture, by artist Cosimo Cavallaro, will be displayed from Monday at Manhattan's Lab Gallery.

The Catholic League, which describes itself as the nation's largest Catholic civil rights organisation, also criticised the timing of the exhibition.

"The fact that they chose Holy Week shows this is calculated, and the timing is deliberate," Mr Donohue said.

He called for a boycott of the gallery and the hotel which houses it.

'Overwhelming response'

The gallery's creative director, Matt Semler, said the gallery was considering its options in the wake of angry e-mails and telephone calls.

"We're obviously surprised by the overwhelming response and offence people have taken," he said. "We are certainly in the process of trying to figure out what we're going to do next."

Mr Semler said the timing of the exhibition was coincidental.

Mr Cavallaro, the Canadian-born artist, is known for using food ingredients in his art, on one occasion painting a hotel room in mozzarella cheese.

He used 200 pounds (90 kg) of chocolate to make the sculpture which, unusually, depicts Jesus without a loincloth." BBC website.

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Do you think religion in America deserves special treatment regarding the First Amendment...Freedom of Speech??? Why, why not?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/30/07:

ALL I can say is they do these 'pieces of art' of Mary and Jesus but if a Christian did a piece of art work that was offensive to Buddists or Muslims or blacks using a Buddah or Allah or Martin Luther King it would be a whole different story.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/29/07 - The Christian Atheist


Although this may seem an oxymoron to some it makes perfect sense to its followers. At home their parents told of Jesus and the Bible and at school millions of years and atheism. In order to avoid conflict the Christian Atheist simply accepts both.
Of course seeing as only Atheists are honest and smart the Atheist Christian gets all her important information from Skeptic websites
One of the great advantages to being a Christian Atheist is that one is never forced to choose. As a Christian it is important to accept Noah’s Flood as a literal historic event and therefore one must dismiss the idea of millions of years of slow gradual buildup of the sedimentary rock layers. The Christian Atheist simply says she’s open minded and believes both can be true. The somewhat annoying fact they are mutually exclusive ideas and therefore logically and scientifically impossible is not a problem for the Christian Atheist for obvious reasons.
Seeing as the Bible is impossible to understand and all interpretations are fine the Christian Atheist also is a follower of Nietzsche and his post- modernist philosophy and therefore has her own truth all to herself.
The difficult problem for the Christian Atheist is deciding to go to church on Sunday or to the demonstration to ban prayer in public restrooms.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/29/07:

gee Peddlers
that one is so piddlin easy!!!
She gets her pastor to announce at church the previous Sunday about the demonstration.
The church makes their counter-protest signs
to the effect of
We need all the prayer we can get

The church goes to protest the morning protest,
then spends the afternoon at the church
bar b que and ends with a night time church service.

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arcura asked on 03/29/07 - Which house belongs to an award winning environmentalist?

LOOK OVER THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE FOLLOWING TWO HOUSES AND SEE IF YOU CAN
TELL WHICH BELONGS TO AN AWARD WINNING NVIRONMENTALIST.


HOUSE # 1:

A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on
a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In
ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American
household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural
gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we
checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the
national
average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern
"snow belt," either. It's in the South.



HOUSE # 2:

Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this
house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can
provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is
nestled on
arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house
holds
geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into
the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and
cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural
gas,
and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional
heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled
into a 25,000
gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes
into
underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water
then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to
the
area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.



HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville,
Tennessee.
It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist (and filmmaker) Al Gore.



HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas.
Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private residence of the
President of the United States, George W. Bush.



So whose house is gentler on the environment? Yet another story you WON'T
hear on CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC or read about in the New York Times or the
Washington Post. Indeed, for Mr. Gore, it's truly "an inconvenient truth."

tropicalstorm answered on 03/29/07:

That is what I was saying about a month ago
why is Gore using so much energy if he is so
concerned about global warming? Why does he have to buy carbon credits from his own company? Why does he fly around in a jet that costs thousands of dollars an hour to run?
With the environmentalist organizations, they say many ride bikes while others 4 wheel through parks they restricted others from driving through because they want to preserve nature. Which sounds more believable the bike rider or the four wheeler? If Gore wants to sound like there is a serious concern why is he not living like it is a serious concern?

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paraclete asked on 03/29/07 - New religion invented in Australia

Pauline's said it so it must be true


'Christian Muslims' welcome

By Ben Packham

March 30, 2007 12:00am
Article from: Herald-Sun

PAULINE Hanson has invented a new religion where Muslims and Christians can pray together.

The former One Nation leader, who is having another tilt at politics, said she was wary of allowing Muslims to settle in Australia.

But she would welcome some Muslims, she said.

"There are Christian Muslims - there is no problems about that," she told ABC radio yesterday.

"But if people believe in the way of life under the Koran, that concerns me greatly."

The comment - an apparent reference to Arab Christians - revives memories of her famous "Please explain" gaffe during her early days in Parliament.

In another curious statement, Ms Hanson said Malaysia had been "taken over by Muslims, despite a long history of Islam in that country".

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So there you have it the solution to all our problems, now tell me which direction do Christian Muslims face when they pray, perhaps they face each other?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/29/07:

0R WHERE
It wouldn't work in the USA since Christians are not allowed to pray in many places that Muslims ARE allowed to pray or Is she starting a Mosque/Church building?

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hOPE12 asked on 03/28/07 - What does this well known saying mean to you personally?

Hello Experts,

We all live in this world and have heard this saying over and over. It has been called the golden rule.
It states:

"Do onto other what you would want them to do to you."

With Bible scripture but just what is in each person heart, please explain what this mean to you and what it does not mean to you personally. Each persons reply will prove a point.


Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 03/28/07:

you reap what you sow and
what goes around comes around

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arcura asked on 03/28/07 - Does hell really exist????????????????????????????????

March 27, 2007
The fires of Hell are real and eternal, Pope warns
Richard Owen in Rome

Hell is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, the Pope has said.

Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, Benedict XVI said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to “admit blame and promise to sin no more”, they risked “eternal damnation — the Inferno”.

Hell “really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more”, he said.

The Pope, who as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was head of Catholic doctrine, noted that “forgiveness of sins” for those who repent was a cornerstone of Christian belief. He recalled that Jesus had forgiven the “woman taken in adultery” and prevented her from being stoned to death, observing: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

God had given men and women free will to choose whether “spontaneously to accept salvation . . . the Christian faith is not imposed on anyone, it is a gift, an offer to mankind”.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/28/07:

here is a site Peddler will absolutely LOVE on hell
hell
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Dark_Crow asked on 03/27/07 - What is the Holy Grail?

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tropicalstorm answered on 03/27/07:

And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins. - Matthew 26:27-28

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peddler7118 asked on 03/27/07 - Fred-is Jesus realy needed?

Fred seeing as you defend Mormons as Christians on their way to Glory whose wives can only be saved if their husbands are lucky enough to be promoted to god of their own planet and chooses to call them in the temple. And then lucky her she gets to spend eternity pregnant with spirit babies.

You defend atheist as if they were God;s best friends not His enemies.

You support anyone who hates Bible believing Christians and call them {believers} "radicals".
Your Church calls them ignorant pagans and you defend the church.

Here is my biggest question. Do deist ,such as Domino claims to be,got to heaven or hell?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/27/07:

No Jesus is not needed for salvation in
Jehovah witnesses
mormons
buddist
and many other religions
or atheism

--according to their teachings or belief--

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peddler7118 asked on 03/27/07 - Perillous” Days for British Christians


by Paul Taylor, AiG–UK

March 26, 2007

Before we get too many emails, I am well aware that ‘perillous’ should be spelt with only one l on both sides of the Atlantic. However, the double l spelling is the one used by John Foxe, in his 1653 book Actes and Monuments of these Latter and Perillous Days, touching Matters of the Church, better known to us as Foxe’s Book of Martyrs.1 Foxe catalogued the persecution and, in some cases, execution of leading English Christian figures, such as John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and John Bunyan.

An old chestnut of a wayside pulpit sign reads “If you were arrested for being a Christian, how much evidence would there be against you?” Although I haven’t noticed the rekindling of the execution fires, recorded by Foxe, that ended the lives of Bishops Latimer and Ridley, during the reign of England’s most wicked monarch, Queen Mary I, the British press is beginning to debate whether certain tenets of the Christian faith are, or should be, illegal. Such discussions led conservative journalist Melanie Phillips to record her views on “How Britain is turning Christianity into a crime.”2 She reported on a number of recent incidents, which would have been considered bizarre just twenty years ago. One such case was that of elderly preacher Harry Hammond. Admittedly, Hammond’s techniques were eccentric to say the least. In October 2001, he travelled into Bournemouth, wearing a placard, which stated “Stop Immorality, Stop Homosexuality, Stop Lesbianism.” A crowd soon gathered, including a number of gay activists. These liberal campaigners for human rights proceeded to pelt Hammond with soil and water, at one point knocking the 70-year-old to the ground. The two police officers who attended the scene actually disagreed about what to do; the older, more experienced officer favouring protecting Hammond, with the younger, more politically-correct officer suggesting Hammond be arrested and charged under the Public Order Act. Guess whose opinion prevailed? Shortly after Hammond’s trial and conviction, he died.

Such news items are currently receiving a fresh hearing, following the publication of a poll, taken by BBC Religious Affairs programme, The Heaven and Earth Show, which suggested that 25% of people, who call themselves Christians, feel that they suffer discrimination at work.3 Furthermore, 33% feel that the Christian faith is portrayed on the media in a way which is discriminatory. The BBC article quotes Rev Malcolm Duncan, of the campaign group Faithworks, saying: “The Christian church is suffering more than all other faiths in the UK. There is an aggressive secularist agenda that says it's OK to support any group ending in 'ism', but it's not OK to support anything connected to Christianity.” The BBC also report that churches are beginning to complain that “the Christian values which underpin law-making in Britain are being eroded.”4

Nowhere is this issue of the undermining of Christian values in lawmaking seen more clearly than in the so-called “gay agenda.” In September 2006, evangelical speaker, Stephen Green, was arrested in Cardiff, for peacefully giving out leaflets at the entrance to a gay rally. The words deemed offensive by the arresting police officer (from the “Minorities Support Unit”) were all quotations from the Bible. Melanie Phillips opines: ”The Bible is the moral code that underpins our civilisation. Yet the logic of the police action against Mr Green surely leads ultimately to the inescapable conclusion that the Bible itself is ‘hate speech’ and must be banned.”5

In June 2006, nine firemen were ordered to take part in a “gay pride” march in Glasgow, as part of the fire service’s safety awareness campaign. Because they refused to take part (though they agreed to hand out leaflets), they were disciplined and the crew manager was demoted, losing £5000 salary. They were all ordered to attend a “diversity awareness” training course.

Less well reported is the fact that an increasing number of Christian voluntary groups are finding funding from local authorities being dropped, due to the opinion that a Christian organisation must, by definition, be opposed to “diversity.”

Where this impinges on our ministry is in the cases where our views are not heard, but ridiculed. We find schools that host meetings with creationists put under pressure to reverse their decisions. We find prominent academics, who are creationists, such as Professor Andy McIntosh (who is one of our associate speakers), treated with an appalling and disgraceful lack of respect, merely for pointing out that his own area of expertise is problematic for those who believe in evolution.6 See also the vitriol posted in comments to my own columns on the website of the Christian radio station, Crossrhythms.7

Don’t get me wrong—this is all pretty trivial, compared with being burned at the stake. I am big enough and ugly enough to stand being ridiculed. Slightly more worrying are the circumstantial reports of people, such as Christian obstetricians concerned that their career paths are blocked, because they take a biblical stand on abortion.

Such reports of discrimination obviously do not yet amount to the need for the compilation of a Foxe’s Book of 21st Century Martyrs. But where will it end? Have we seen the start of a trend that will lead ultimately to British Christians once again paying with their lives for their faith? Am I being melodramatic even to ask the question? What is certainly not in doubt is that British Christians need your prayers, and we, in AiG–UK, would particularly value your prayers, that those who would silence the Gospel message in the UK may be thwarted and that the word of God might be proclaimed freely and powerfully throughout this land.

References
The full text of this important book can be found online at
www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/home.html. Return.
Phillips, M., How Britain is turning Christianity into a crime. Return.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6463527.stm. Return.
Ibid. Return.
Op. cit. Return.
McIntosh, A., Just Add Energy… . Return.
For example, see
www.crossrhythms.co.uk/articles/life/Two_Sorts_of_Science/21916/p1. Return.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/27/07:

Sean David Morgan said that these things will get worse.

Here are some of the things he has said and the Japan earthquake just happened like he said on March 14 2007

# Within 90 days, there will be a 7.0+ earthquake in the Japan region.

# Also within 90 days, the area northeast of Seattle, going into Alaska and Canada, will see a series of quakes.

# November 2007 will kick off a year-long cycle of financial meltdowns. Millions will go bankrupt. Economic focus will shift from the United States to Germany and the EU.

# There will be controversy over inducting foreigners into the US military.

# Pope Benedict is very ill, with problems that MAY involve the pancreas or kidneys. His health will deteriorate rapidly in the next few months.

# Fidel Castro could be gone soon, and the US is ready to move in to Cuba with $60 billion to invest.

# Silver is a good buy now and may double in the next two years.

Morton also mentioned that he's become interested in the company that manufactures Bryomixol, an alternative cancer treatment that is said to boost the immune system.
He also said he has inside information that Laura Bush stays at the Mayflower Hotel most of the time because Pres. Bush is getting unbearable.


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Itsdb asked on 03/27/07 - Existence of God

You may be a fundy atheist if....

# You became an atheist when you were 10 years old, based on ideas of God that you learned in Sunday School. Your ideas about God haven't changed since.

# You think that the primary aim of an omnibenevolent God is for people to have FUN.

# You believe that extra drippy ice-cream is a logical proof against the existence of God, because an omniscient God would know how to stop the ice-cream from being extra drippy, an omnipotent God would have the ability to stop the ice-cream from being extra drippy, and by golly, an omnibenevolent God wouldn't want your ice-cream to be extra drippy.

# Although you've memorized a half a dozen proofs that He doesn't exist, you still think you're God's gift to the ignorant masses.

# You believe the astronomical size of the universe somehow disproves God, as if God needed a tiny universe in order to exist.

# You think questions like, "Can God create a rock so big that He cannot lift it?" and, "Can God will Himself out of existence?" are perfect examples of how to disprove God's omnipotence and ultimately how to disprove God. When someone proves to you the false logic behind the questions (i.e. pitting God's omnipotence against itself), you desperately try to defend the questions, but then give up and go to a different Christian site to ask them.

# Related to the above, you spend a great deal of your spare time writing to Christian websites asking them these very questions.

# You declare on a public forum that you are "furious at God for not existing."

# You spend hours arguing that a-theism actually means "without a belief in God " and not just " belief that there is no god" as if this is a meaningful distinction in real life.

# You consistently deny the existence of God because you personally have never seen him but you reject out of hand personal testimony from theists who claim to have experienced God as a reality in their lives.

# You can make the existence of pink unicorns the center-piece of a philosophical critique.

# You insist that "the burden of proof is on he that alleges/accuses", and "it's impossible to prove a negative", then state "That's what Christians do. They lie. Their most common lie is that they were once atheists." When reminded about the burden of proof bit, you reply with, "Well, prove Christians don't lie!"

# You adamantly believe that the "God of the gaps" idea is an essential tenet of orthodox Christian faith espoused by all the great Christian thinkers throughout history.

# When you were a child, someone came down with a deadly disease and prayed and prayed for God to take it away. God did not remove the disease and your friend died. You ask other Christians why they had to die when they were such a nice person and never harmed anyone. Dissatisfied with their answers, you suddenly decide that there is no God and that all Christians are nothing but lying, conniving con artists and hypocrites....all that is except for your friend who died.

# You call a view held by less than ten percent of the American public "common sense".

# You're a spoiled fifteen year old boy who lives in the suburbs and you go into a chat room to declare that, "I know there is no God because no loving God would allow anyone to suffer as much as I...hold on. My cell phone's ringing."

# You attack your fellow atheists, who hold the "belief that there is no god", calling them "liars," and state that, "I do not deny the existence of any god. I just don't believe in any." Then you tell someone that their God is "made up." When someone calls you on this, you state, "I never made such a claim."

# Going with the definition of "without a belief in God", you insist that all people are born atheists, and that dogs, cats, rocks, and trees are as well. You make statements like, "My dog is an atheist. Ask him about his lack of belief."

# You believe that if something cannot be touched, seen, heard, or measured in some way, then it must not exist, yet you fail to see the irony of your calling Christians "narrow-minded".

# You say that there is no God and that those who believe in God do so in blind faith, yet your claim that there is no God also rests on blind faith.

# While you don't believe in God, you feel justified on bashing God or attacking those who believe in something that you KNOW doesn't exist, fighting against or even discussing about a non-existent being are the symptoms of mental illness!

# You complain when Christians appeal to their emotions when justifying their belief in God yet you feel justified on appealing to your emotions for lack of belief in God.

# You blame God for the starvation, sickness, pain and suffering in the world...when, indeed, it is MAN's greed, politics, selfishness and apathy that not only causes, but also ignores the sick and the starving masses. We aren't our brothers' keepers....but we should be.

# When asked where the big ball of matter (that started the "Big Bang") came from, you insist that it popped out of nowhere.

# You say that the existence of God is a "blank idea", since no one knows the universe's secrets, yet you continue to state your opinion of God not existing as a "fact".

# You believe in many things about history (the culture of the ancient Mayans, egyptians, etc.), yet you refuse to accept personal modern-day testimony from someone who has personally experienced God.

# You ask Christians to come on to your forum to address issues you raise. When you don't like the answers or can't accept them, you proceed to delete the conversation.

(with thanks to Tektonics)

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tropicalstorm answered on 03/27/07:

Comments?
Are you trying to purposely further confuse
Peddler's idea of what an atheist is???????????

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Jesushelper76 asked on 03/27/07 - SEVEN

Is there a significant importance to the number seven in Christianity?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/27/07:

Just two examples of numbers in the bible


bible prophecy numbers
)

numerology in the bible )

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belle33 asked on 03/27/07 - strangers in the daytime
stangers in the daytime

What do you all do when you are approached for money by strangers. In the past few m onths I have been asked for money while in the lobby of a dentist, at walmart, two different department stores, service station, on the street, grocery store two days ago. I always do fork the m oney over, but my friends say I am being scammed. But is it better to give just in case it is not a scam, or what do you all do when you are asked?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/27/07:

If I am going into a store I tell them
I barely have enough to get what I HAVE to get
if coming out of the store I say
I JUST spent it all.
If it is a neighbor or someone I know I say
I was getting ready to ask you the same thing
OR
You lend me $5.00 and I will lend you the $2.00 out of that.

I have watched the supposed homeless and
they give you sob stories that aren't even true. Like in one late night in December I watched this one lady say her kids and her were living under the Roberto Clemente bridge (two blocks away)and she needed money to go to McDonald's which is right next to the bus stop I was at. People were handing her ten and twenty dollars. Then the lady went up and caught a bus at another bus stop.

I don't usually do favors or lend people money because often they have more money than I have and they manage to find someone to lend them money or help them out. And I have WAY TOO TOO many stories of things people pulled to get you to do for them

One time I watched this one guy ask my neighbor
for a cigarette she gave him one of her last two cigarettes. As him and his friend walked away I saw him show his friend his pack of cigarettes and say to him I am saving these ones for later.

One time a guy asked me to pick up his pregnant 14 year old girlfriend from the hospital he said nobody was available to.
I told him I was low on gas. He said she would give me gas money. I got to the hospital and ran out of gas. His girlfriend gave me three dollars for gas and then my car still wouldn't start after I got the gas,
so he calls his dad to come pick them up and they leave me there broke down.



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hOPE12 asked on 03/26/07 - To all who feel that I am not defending my beliefs:


Belle and Peddler, this is for you two especially.
First of all for those who fell I have not defended my beliefs, I will say this.

Not all comments need defending and as to the truth of the God I know and the Bible I read, it does not need to be defended by me. Many, many far superior have already defended my beliefs. I do not need to throw stones in order to have my beliefs defended. All things come to their end and false lies and hypocorsy and especially lying and twisting the truth of God's word, this too will end. I do not need to fight for my God, He can deal with liars himself.

As to those who need to always feel they must defend everything they say, why do you have such a need. People should be able to see the difference between the liar and the truthful person. A liar must always justify what they say, because they have trouble believing it themselves. A person who tells the truth, waits, because eventually the truth comes to those who wait patiently. You see a liar will always get caught in their lies. That is why they must always be right and everyone else is wrong.

Have a nice day,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 03/26/07:

Hope everybody leaves this board believing what they came here believing anyway so don't stress about it.

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MarySusan asked on 03/25/07 - Pope Chides White Europeans

VATICAN CITY — "Europe appears to be losing faith in its own future, Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday, warning against "dangerous individualism" on a continent where many people are having fewer children.

"One must unfortunately note that Europe seems to be going down a road which could lead it to take its leave from history," the pontiff told bishops in Rome for ceremonies to mark the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Rome, a major step toward the creation of today's European Union.

Benedict said he was concerned about Europe's "demographic profile" _ though he did not describe the trends that have alarmed the continent for decades.

In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.

Benedict expressed concern that Europe's population trends, "besides putting economic growth at risk, can also cause enormous difficulties for social cohesion, and, above all, favor dangerous individualism, careless about the consequences for the future."

"You could almost think that the European continent is in fact losing faith in its own future," Benedict said.

A recent Eurostat survey showed Poland's fertility rate to be the lowest in the EU, at 1.23 children per woman.

Sociologists and economists blame the economy, particularly the unemployment rate _ at 14.9 percent the highest in the EU. Worried about losing their jobs, many women in Poland put off having children, often until it is too late.

Earlier this month, Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski proposed a new program of tax exemptions and support for working mothers in the hope of encouraging births and ensuring that Poles "continue as a nation."

Italy's fertility rate steadily plunged to a low of 1.25 children per women of childbearing age in 2001, with the last few years seeing a small turnaround, mainly due to births to immigrants.

Italian experts cite Italian's desire for an easier lifestyle, but they also blame shortages of day care centers, expensive housing and a sluggish job market which sees many Italians living at home until well into their 30s as reasons for the country's relatively few children.

Antonio Golini, an Italian demographer, told The Associated Press recently that unless the retirement age is raised, Italy will have more people drawing pensions than it will have workers in 2050.

Spain also has a low fertility rate, while France, with family friendly policies such as cheap day care and generous parental leave, has experienced a baby boom.

France had more babies in 2006 than in any year in the last quarter-century, capping a decade of rising fertility that has bucked Europe's graying trend. Its fertility rate in 2006 was 2.0 children per woman.

A rate of 2.1 children per woman is considered the minimum necessary to keep a population from shrinking."

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I think the only way to approach this problem is to make life better for mothers who have the hardest job in the world, if done properly!! Free daycare, and I'm sure brainstorming could come up with lots of good ideas that didn't involve solely handing out money which is no answer.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/25/07:

maybe they should make an agreement with China to adopt the babies that China makes women abort because of their one baby law. That way the babies wouldn't have to be aborted and Europe could have a growing population.
Don't know if that would solve anything or create more problems.

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Pericles asked on 03/25/07 - More on Hitler and religion


For those who still refuse to call a spade a spade ....

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air.

Consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people.
"

Adolf Hitler, in a speech on April 26, 1933, during negotiations towards the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933.


Any further questions on Hitler's religious views?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/25/07:

at first I thought that the italics was Peddlers then I realized it didn't start out saying clarification by Peddler or anything like that

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peddler7118 asked on 03/24/07 - How many have chosen to deny responsibility for sin?

So you are saying sodomy is a disease now?
It was considered to be a mental disease up until 1971 I believe.

I don't agree it is a mental disease but it is insane to try to mate with one of your own sex.
Now that humanist philosophy/evolutionary psychiatry has replaced the belief in God a psychiatrist will use his/her license for suggesting to a sodomite that their depression is caused by their sin.

You can post a thousand red herring like “would you choose to have bad teeth” if you like but God says it is sin and Paul saved souls from its grip and the guarantee of hell by leading them to Jesus by leading them to Christ.
As a Christian that is good enough for me. Why not you? Are modern sodomites different?

The more I see the desperation that you and TS go to trying sell this idea the more the evidence is that sodomy is the work of the evil one.


1Co 6:9 Or don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Yeshua, and in the Spirit of our God.

That says it all. It is a damnable sin and the Messiah will save you from it if you repent. How can you deny this and call yourself a Christian instead of a humanist?

Think about the insanity of some of the arguments? If we are just animals and if animals can practice sodomy it justifies it for us why not feed the old people to the pets?






tropicalstorm answered on 03/24/07:

You have NO idea what I am saying or what I believe and to prove me wrong one minute you are saying we are born in sin and we are born evil then you are denying that anybody can be born with alcoholic, gay, sexual, or criminal tendencies.

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CeeBee2 asked on 03/24/07 - Why have each of you chosen to be

heterosexual? When did you make that choice?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/24/07:

personally I prefer being -asexual- but
once I decide to change my mind LOOK OUT!

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belle33 asked on 03/24/07 - Estate sale
Estate Sale

Early this morning I was dragged to an estate sale. As I ws lolligagging udner a magnolia tree, an anciet man cme and started telling me about his experience with an angel. This is true not a story I'm makeing up. He said he used to make furnitre by hand In SAvannah and couldnt solve a problem with the lathe turning, it subtracted or added somehow, my eyes glazed over at this part, but I just said "how ennnntreesten." While he was in bed praying on the problem, an angel, 8ft tall, white as snow hair and beard appeared to him and said< I am THE OnE sent to tell you how to do this thing you need to knw. The angel told him to make two egg shaped thingamuhjigs and ect. He said he is the first man to make an automated lathe to round soemthing or other. He said he remembed the angel from childhood but had forgotten about it. He went on to say, that he went into a diabetic coma and died while driving his car, the angel appeared to him and when he awoke and ( here, if not for hearing my GM saying "wrench for rinse" or "arn for iron" or "pneumornyuh for pneumonia, I may have done more than just rapidly bat my eyes) from being dead, they were givin him artificial insemination. LOl I swear though I'm not supposed to this is a true story and only happened about 3 hours ago.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/24/07:

sounds like someone from Pittsburgh Pa drinking their Arn City beer while their laundry is in the wrench cycle and they are redding up their house and getting ready to go eat a chipped ham sammich on the So' Side. Je wanna here more?

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richturner asked on 03/24/07 - God's Will

We've all heard it said that something is "God's will." How does one know what God's will is? (Please, no biblical quotations; if you must reference the Bible, state your understanding of what the Bible says in your own words.)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/24/07:

I think it is a learning experience
because all too often I did something
because I thought that is exactly what
I was suppose to do and it turned out
not good, but then I think even with that
it could still be a learning experience
and maybe even God's will.
If we have the easy religion that many try to teach now does it make us strong and effective or does it make us lazy and complacent and leaves us in a false lull waiting on some rapture to take us out of our problems.
One example is,
My kids and others always get on me about buying junk cars and then they break down
but I have never had money to buy a decent vehicle and need a vehicle to make money.
So then my kids say they are going to buy
a car and I tell them let me go with you
to help. They reply, "MOM ALL the junk cars
you have had WHY would we trust you to help
pick out a car for us!????"
Simple! I have had so many junk vehicles that
I can diagnois what every hummm, pop, crunch is.

ALSO, often I get a feeling that lasts for a split second and IF I catch it and I follow it it usually turns out to be what you would call God's will. Like I could be driving down the street and I want to go straight down the street, my son is screaming at me to turn left and something tells me to turn right.
IF I catch that and turn right something often happens that I am glad that I listened and turned right.

Fate, to me, is basically the consequences of our actions and how it relates to if we followed 'God's will' or did what we wanted
even though we might have had a bad feeling about it.



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hOPE12 asked on 03/24/07 - Whose side is God on?

Hello Everyone,

This is to help us really reason on war and to help some face the reality of life and justice, and to separate a loving God from what some might feel is a God who love war.
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Columnist C. L. Sulzberger said in 1976: “It is a dismal truth that probably half or more of the wars now being fought around the world are either openly religious conflicts or involved with religious disputes.”

Point here to think about. (God did not make the different religions of this world, man did. Having said that, we must conclude that a religious war is not from God but from the people who are part a religious group).

In view of what John 13:34,35 says as a command to those who are truly followers of Jesus and who claim serve God, how would you answer this question when it comes to war, and killing in the name of God. “Whose side is God on?”

Those claiming to be Christian’s would claim that ‘God is on their side.” Yet the other side would claim that God is on their side. Yet in view of the command found at John 13:34.35, in war, is God truly on the side of those who are killing others?

. As Ernest Lefever, president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C., put it: “If you feel God is on your side, you can justify any atrocity.”—U.S.News & World Report.


The question then arises: When it comes to war, does God really take sides?


Please do not quote scripture of Bible wars and wars the Israelite’s fought. They are not the same as the unjust wars of today. Also, God as supreme being had the right in Bible times to declare war. God can read the heart, Man can not. So, if your country commands you to go and kill another, and yet God’s command is to not kill and Jesus even said to love other’s, “Whose side does God take?” Is God partial as to who is better and they should win at all kind of horrendous killings and torture??


Or do you believe that God is on the side of people who really love one another?”

What say you??? Please give reason for your answer.

Take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 03/24/07:

It is up to us each individually to be on God's side. Whether as a nation or religion. God is on the side of the ones who have the right motives. Did they join the war because they want 72 virgins? Did they join because they "want to go blow up some commies"? Did they join because their mother was killed on 9/11?
It's all about an individuals motives and so forth.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/23/07 - Government Ignores Religious Discrimination

Introduction
It is now well documented that discrimination against creationists is serious and widespread.1–20 In the words of Hull:

‘Most scientists are only dimly aware of the various “anti-science” systems of belief now widespread [including] … politically dangerous movements such as creationism … . We protect ourselves by never letting these mutually exclusive beliefs surface at the same time. For example, the constellation of religious fundamentalism and creationism is often combined with a high regard for high tech. Many creationists’ tracts are tapped out on extremely expensive personal computers. Creationists are able to accept and reject the physics that makes these machines possible as the occasion demands. There is no God, and Mary is His mother.’21

Braun summarised the problem as follows:

‘… hardy believers in creation … have been heaped with scorn and ridicule. Evolutionists dominated the field so securely that creationists were fired, denied tenure and denied advanced degrees with impunity in public schools and universities.’22

A 1979 Civil Rights Commission report concluded that, although religious discrimination is serious and widespread, little is presently being done to ameliorate this problem.23 Aside from this report, most civil rights and governmental agencies have done little or nothing to remedy what has developed into a nationwide problem. The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has not until recently even published guidelines for dealing with religious discrimination. The current guidelines deal primarily with reasonable accommodation.24 This agency, set up to deal with concerns of racial, religious, and other minorities, has done little to help creationists facing discrimination, even declining to hold public hearings on the problem. Creationists and conservative Christian educators are now a persecuted minority, often with little recourse but to endure the discrimination. Admittedly, though, some of their problems stem from conflicts over specific issues, such as concerns over their proselytizing or the teaching of creationism in the public school classroom.

In addition, little if any effort has been expended by most other American institutions to enforce the section of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which outlaws discrimination based on religion (page 29, Section 703). It is a law which currently exists largely on paper only.25 As Roberts concludes:

‘America has a new bigotry. Traces of it have been around for a long time, glimpsed only fleetingly and in widely-scattered places. But in 1983, it assumed nationwide proportions. This is bigotry against evangelicals. Two things are particularly frightening about this bigotry. Few recognized it, and nobody … [has so far done] anything about it. It is difficult to say which is more disturbing. Any religious group that defies public opinion and practices nonconformity runs the risk of ridicule and rejection. This can quickly turn to persecution in time of crisis, particularly if such persecution is advantageous of those in power.’26

Novak, in a study of this problem,27 called ‘antievangelical bigotry’ the least understood and ‘most painful’ hate in America today. He concluded that the 1980s

‘revealed more bigotry against evangelicals, without anybody leaping to denounce it, than against any other group … . The attacks have been public, without introducing evidence, often by association.’

Scientific creationists are facing the most serious attack, especially in academia. Haney reports that:

‘It appears from various reports reaching this office, that a trend is developing in the halls of Academe … that Liberalism’s great contribution to American education, namely “Academic Freedom” has become a victim of incest, having been raped by its own sires … . [A] former Louisiana State Senator … said instances [of] … pro-creationism professors and teachers … being dismissed have begun to proliferate in the past ten years … highly-qualified educators denied tenure or otherwise discriminated against simply because they hold views or engage in activities which oppose the tenets of … [evolutionism].’28

Extensive legal research by the author has revealed that, as of yet, not a single court case of employment discrimination has been decided in favour of a creationist.29 Nor has the writer been able to find even a single case of non-‘reasonable accommodation’ religious discrimination in employment successfully litigated by a religious believer in an American court. Surveys indicate that thousands of cases of employment termination occur each year in which the plaintiff feels clear evidence of religious discrimination exists. As Bergman found, the judicial system has also done virtually nothing to remedy this problem:

‘The only conclusion that can be reached … is that the American courts are not serious about enforcing the rights of religious minorities. Although many of the better cases are likely settled out of court, nonetheless the situation is such that employers are generally aware that they can exercise even blatant religious discrimination with little or no fear or reprisal. This conclusion was supported by a recent report by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.’30

The extent of the discrimination
The writer, as part of an ongoing research project, has interviewed over 100 active self-labelled creationists who are, or were, employed in academia. He specifically asked if they had faced religious discrimination and, if so, to delineate their experience. Almost all believed that their creationist beliefs caused at least some career problems. These ranged from open derision to outright firings, and even attempts to rescind earned degrees. Some cases were tragic in their extent, blatancy and consequences.31 The discrimination experiences discovered were grouped in the following general categories:

(1) Derogatory and clearly inappropriate comments
Examples range from placing obscene or anti-creationist cartoons in the workers’ mailboxes to open, blatant, inappropriate direct name-calling. Bolyanatz32 noted that evolutionists often assume that

‘anyone holding the creationist viewpoint must be illogical, backward, subversive, uneducated, and stubborn.’

Gross name-calling, even by eminent scientists, is commonly found in the secular literature.33,34 A typical example is Isaac Asimov’s statement that all

‘creationists are stupid, lying people who are not to be trusted in any way.’ And that all of their ‘points are equally stupid, except where the creationists are outrightly lying.’35

(2) Refusal of admittance to graduate programs
It was found that it was not uncommon for a creationist to be denied admission to a degree program even if he/she clearly exceeded published admission standards. In some cases the person denied was able to locate letters of recommendation which recommended against admission specifically because of the candidate’s creationist worldview.

(3) Refusal to award degree
Some creationists interviewed, although they clearly met all of the requirements, were openly denied a degree (usually a Ph.D. in the sciences) because of their creation orientation and/or publications.

(4) Denial of promotion
Many creationists claimed that they were not promoted even though they clearly exceeded the written standards for promotion (high student ratings, more than an adequate number of publications, etc.). In several cases this was openly because of their creationist publications.36,37

(5) Denial of tenure
Many cases of tenure denial clearly based mainly on the creationist activities of the candidate were encountered. It was often obvious that bias existed because of active involvement in the creationist movement. Research has well documented that a known scientific creationist who does not experience some bias in this crucial decision is a rare exception.38 This view was fully supported by the interviews with creationist professors and others.

In many cases of religious discrimination, the university was open and blatant about such, either claiming immunity or citing various laws or precedents which they felt either rendered them unaccountable, or the law ineffective in rectifying their illegal behaviour. In one case the university did

‘not deny either religious discrimination or [lack of] university specified due process. Its entire case rests on immunity (as a State institution, immune from lawsuits unless plaintiff is given permission by the State to sue itself).’39

In this case, the university claimed that

‘as a whole, whatever wrongdoing occurred, it is not liable to damages’.40

Research on discrimination
The writer surveyed 28 professors at a recent science convention about discrimination against creationists. All those interviewed stated that they doubted very much if their department would ever hire an out-of-the-closet creationist for a faculty position. Some claimed that they themselves were not opposed, but felt that because a creationist would likely encounter serious problems in their department, it would be best if they not support their hiring. One added that it would not be objectionable to defend creationism on philosophical grounds, but an attempt to do so using biology would preclude hiring.

Although some prominent creationists have experienced little discrimination, or discrimination for which they could prove a prima facie case, almost 70 percent of those Bergman41 interviewed claimed to have faced discrimination, and close to 40 percent believed they had evidence to demonstrate their claims. The thousands of creationists with tenure in science departments usually achieve it by one of two ways. One survey found that the most common method is to stay in the closet—not openly identify oneself as a creationist (43 percent); and the second method (38 percent) is to become a creationist after achieving tenure.42 This study did not locate a single out-of-the-closet conservative creationist awarded tenure in any state university in the last ten years, and very few before. These results take on more meaning in view of the fact that two decades ago tenure was usually automatic.

Discrimination against creationism and creationists is not only widespread, but often irrational. Fully 12 percent of those interviewed stated they had received death threats, and/or highly emotional, non-verbal feedback and irrational verbalisations against their persons.

The literature’s discussion of the problem
The author reviewed all published articles that discussed creationism printed from 1973 to 1995.43 All of the standard periodical indexes were used, including those that covered the science, social science and popular journals. It was found that almost all of the articles published in the scientific, secular and/or liberal mainline religious journals, failed to condemn the current wave of discrimination against creationists. Many of the exceptions related to the Mims and Bergman cases.44 Almost none condemned what often amounts to vile name-calling which now characterises articles published in the public press, or even the many employment terminations and degree denials. All articles were either silent on the issue, or openly advocated discrimination in various forms, although a few letters did condemn this form of disparate treatment.

This is in marked contrast to both ‘fundamentalist’ journals, and/or those which openly and actively support creationism. Of these, the author located 143 papers that discussed the problem, but some discussed the issue only briefly or in passing. All either condemned or discussed methods of dealing with the problem of discrimination against creationists, although some letters published in these journals encouraged discrimination. This source was more difficult to research because even the better indexes, such as the Christian Periodical Index, or the Catholic Periodical Index, were incomplete, not listing many of the smaller or local religious magazines.

A survey of the journals which would be likely to publish articles specifically discussing discrimination against creationists, such as the Journal of Church and State or Church and State, the monthly published by Americans United for Separation of Church and State, found that, with few exceptions such as the Mims case, none of these journals has ever published even so much as a brief note relative to discrimination, degree denial, or firing of a creationist. On the other hand, almost all the so-called new right or conservative religious journals, such as the Moral Majority Report, Christian News and Christian Inquirer, have published articles about this problem. This is ironic in that many of the visible, active ‘creationists’ with graduate degrees in science are not charismatic or politically on the so-called ‘far-right’, although many belong to conservative Protestant churches—such as Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Seventh Day Adventist.45

Further, many of the creationists that the writer interviewed would not be classified as far-right, but were closer to historical mainline protestantism. Although some were independent Baptists, a slight majority were either Lutheran or affiliated with non-denominational churches. In addition, several were Jews, and many were unchurched. It also became apparent to the writer that, although all of those interviewed considered themselves creationists, they were by no means a homogeneous group in their interpretation of creationism. They were as a whole religiously conservative, but some were middle-of-the-road or even left on some issues. Regarding racial/sexual discrimination and war issues, some would clearly be politically left (the writer did not specifically assess political attitudes, but they were at times discussed in the interviews). A fruitful area for future research would be to explore more fully the political and other beliefs of self-labelled creationists. Many were raised in the so-called ‘peace churches’, which historically have always been involved in social issues and historically have been connected to various social causes such as the anti-slavery movement. Several creationists interviewed were Free Methodists, a church formed partly because of opposition to slavery, and which still actively supports the black, women’s and other movements.

The scientific community’s cry for open discrimination
A major trait of anti-creationist literature is its over-generalising, labelling, and the problem that those who advocate discrimination rarely define even basic terms such as ‘creationist’ or ‘scientific creationists’. Those who attempt to, not uncommonly define them inaccurately. Many of those who classify themselves as creationists object to the term scientific creationists. Some prefer simply creationists, others abrupt appearance theorists, or even anti- or non-evolutionists. Still others are most comfortable with simply, a believer in creation, as opposed to a creationist. Some of the many positions on creationism include progressive, deistic, theistic, ex nihilo, and directive creationism. The only common thread that runs through all of these positions is that ‘God did it’; the major difference between them is ‘how’.46–49 These problems with the term creationism were summarised by Hick, a theistic evolutionist, who concluded

‘… that the word “creationist” has become a label not only for people who believe that the universe is God’s creation but also for those who insist that biological evolution has not occurred. I too am a creationist in the sense that I believe that the universe is God’s creation, but I believe that God’s creative work is progressive and continuous and that biological evolution is a part of it. And so I am sorry that the word creation has become linked with the obscurantist rejection of evolution. The kind of creationism that I and other liberal Christians espouse is neither scientific nor antiscientific. The purview of science only goes back some fifteen billion years to the big bang. And, if the big bang should turn out to have been an absolute beginning, then science has nothing to say beyond it, though of course religion does.’50

The term as used in this paper refers specifically to those who deny evolution and are open about either criticising or denying most gross biological changes. Most of the creationists who experience difficulty would be more closely identified with the position advocated by the Institute for Creation Research, or the Creation Research Society and other groups who stress a universal Noachian flood, creation in six literal 24-hour days, etc., although many by no means identify with this position. Actually, the most important element in causing problems is simply being labelled a creationist.51

Many, if not most, professionals who are generally in harmony with biological creationism and are not openly identified with this position, consequently experience fewer problems. If few of one’s colleagues are aware of one’s beliefs in this area, one is far less apt to have difficulties. Nonetheless, many writers have actually openly advocated discrimination and even the immediate termination of all ‘creationists’. Fezer pens that;

‘… in hiring teachers, or in certifying them as competent … consideration of various factors is appropriate. Where religious beliefs can affect job performance, it is appropriate to enquire as to what such effects are likely to be. [And] … those … who call themselves “scientific creationists”, by that very self-designation and all that goes with it, demonstrate incompetence [and therefore should not be hired].’52

Fezer is advocating what is in America an illegal, but common practice. It is not only illegal to terminate an employee on the basis of religion, but even to ask in an employment interview the interviewee’s religious affiliation, the name of his or her church, parish, or even the religious holidays that he or she observes because this indicates religious affiliation.53

Those who are active in promoting religious discrimination are often open and blatant about their goals.

‘Creationists often complain that their theories and their colleagues are discriminated against … as a matter of fact, creationism should be discriminated against … no advocate of such propaganda should be trusted to teach science classes or administer science programs anywhere or under any circumstances. Moreover, if any are now doing so, they should be dismissed.’54

Patterson, although he does not define his use of the term ‘creationists’, concludes that no one that this label fits is qualified to be a scientist or educator. After calling their worldview ‘propaganda’, he openly concludes that those who advocate this position should be terminated. At the least, he stresses, creationists’ transcripts should be ‘marked’ so that schools and employers can easily discriminate if they elect to do so.55 All of this, although blatantly illegal, has in general been tacitly approved by our courts, educational establishment and government. Although most Civil Rights legislation clearly specifies that employees must be evaluated only on the basis of job criteria that are specifically relevant to the position, Civil Rights agencies have done little or nothing to stop these illegal practices. Patterson advocates employment evaluation openly based on one’s religious beliefs, concluding that:

‘creationism is discriminated against, but this is precisely as it should be. It is the responsibility of teachers and school officials to discriminate against … anyone who advocates … [creationism]. I’m glad this kind of discrimination is finally catching on, and I hope the practice becomes much more vigorous and more widespread in the future.’56

This is exactly what is now commonly occurring.57,58 This is why the writer, after extensive research, has been able to locate so few active out-of-the-closet creationists that have been awarded tenure in the last decade at an American or Canadian secular college or university. Most have been denied and fired.59 Several names have been mentioned as possibilities which have not, as of yet, been researched, but most of those investigated in the past were either in-the-closet creationists, or became creationists after tenure was granted. Winder concluded:

‘Creationists can hold faculty positions at secular universities successfully but they must suppress their views [on creation]. There are creationists, including [in] science, here [at his university] but there is no outward manifestation [of their creationism]. Any activity and they would soon be harassed!’60

Naturalists make no bones about the ‘problem’ and their concern over finding a ‘final solution’. Admittedly some scientists do not advocate the above, but argue that the issue can be settled by intelligent debate:

‘How are the dark forces of anti-science to be combated? Holton’s answer is the traditional one—education … . Unfortunately, [open] university provides one of the most congenial homes for advocates of the various anti-science world pictures he decries. Perhaps I am too cynical, but I think that the high-tech animation of “Jurassic Park” is likely to combat “Genesis” much more effectively than any noncredit course in evolutionary theory … . I also share Holton’s skepticism about even the most intellectually respectable of the anti-science world pictures … but Holton has so little sympathy with these movements that I did not find his critiques of them all that persuasive. The modern world picture in which science plays such a central role is so clearly superior to any of the postmodern anti-science alternatives that those of us who hold this world picture can afford to be generous. Even when such anti-science world pictures as creationism are set out as sympathetically as possible, they still come up wanting.’61

Discrimination against students
In discussing whether creationist students should be discriminated against, one well-known science educator approvingly quotes those who conclude that a professor should have the right

‘to fail any student in his class, no matter what the grade record indicates’,

and even advocates,

‘retracting grades and possibly even degrees, if [a person espouses creationism] … after passing the course or after graduating.’62

He also stresses that it is the university’s responsibility to terminate creationists and rescind their degrees, advocating that even students with excellent grades who produce highly regarded work should be denied their degree and expelled from the university if it is discovered that they are a creationist! He argues that grades do not necessarily measure competency, and a student can memorise material and be able to discern the ‘correct’ answers on tests yet still hold views which in Frazier’s mind at least are incorrect. They thus should be failed or denied a rightfully earned degree, or if previously awarded, it should be retracted. Zuidema reports that some professors have proposed that

‘… grades or degrees of university students who hold special creation concepts after having taken science courses [should be retracted]. In other words, flunk them—retroactively, if necessary!’63

This proposal, Wirth responded,

‘… is nothing less than gross religious discrimination. A student’s command of a subject in science can be disassociated from his religious beliefs. In other words, someone with religious beliefs can function as a scientist.’64

Further, many educators have stated in print that they feel that it is irresponsible for a university to grant a creationist a Ph.D. degree. Flacks, openly concludes that:

‘It is a pathetic commentary on our universities that grant doctorate degrees … without fully determining a candidate’s true understanding of universal knowledge and logic … The alleged concept of “scientific” creationism is not only an illogical contradiction in terminology but an absurd fiction.’65

Thus, he concludes, creationists should not be awarded advanced degrees. The reason for this discrimination, many of its proponents claim, is not concern over religion, but competency. An anonymous reviewer of an earlier draft of this paper (which was rejected by the journal on the grounds that creationists should be discriminated against) said:

‘… the opposition [to creationists] rests instead on a conviction that “creationism” … precludes neutrality/objectivity, adequate methodology, and the integral nature of science (physics, astronomy, geology, biology). There is a perceived way to best do science and see one discipline in the context of others … Must a department accept someone whose “creationist” case seems erroneous methodologically and factually simply because one pleads “religious or academic” freedom? … Departments evaluate people not only on knowledge and expertise but on their research and on its likely fruitfulness. They see creationists of the “young earth” or “anti-evolution” sort as incapable of sustaining a research program on these bases. Religious freedom is not a ground for academic incompetence in research (and creationist research has, I think, very little to show for its labors). Freedom carries responsibility to one’s colleagues, profession, and research.’

G. Merle Bergman is more specific about the problem of firing creationists:

‘I am aghast at the suggestion that … [a creationist was fired] because of his religious views, as expressed in his writings on the subject. Obviously nothing could be further from American tradition and constitutional principles than that a man be denied opportunity on the basis of his religious thought. On the other hand, I have to ask myself how practical it is for a creationist to impress scientifically minded men and women with his objective—which is certainly a prime virtue for any teacher. I could not myself consider that a teacher had much of a grasp on reality if he or she believed that the creationist view of the universe was a realistic one. There is no point in reviewing the reasoning on both sides … . Suffice it to say … that from the point of view of science, evolution is proven many times over, whereas creationism is … a leftover from very primitive folklore.’66

Whether or not the creationist worldview and belief structure is correct is irrelevant in this discussion. Our primary concern here is freedom of religion and belief, and the right to work and pursue one’s education regardless of one’s religious views, as the law and the American Constitution guarantee. And this includes the right to do research and go where the results of one’s research leads. Powerful persons in the academic community concluded that Galileo was incorrect and thus incompetent. And for this reason, to the embarrassment of scientists today, some endeavored to ruin his scientific career.67,68

When we permit fallible value judgments as to the correctness of a person’s view on controversial topics (as surely is the case with creationism) to terminate a person’s career, the door to discrimination is opened against any person who disagrees with the beliefs of the administrative or power structure.69 Yet, G. Merle Bergman concludes:

‘I think … faculty [firing a creationist is] a reflection of their view that [these people are] too far removed from reality to be able to direct young people along objective paths. The issue is whether this view is a reflection of religious prejudice. They are not judging the man’s right to hold and to express religious views different from their own, but his ability to define reality. That that ability is colored by his religious outlook merely muddies the waters.’70

He thus actually concludes that creationists are not able to ‘define reality’ or, in psychiatric terms, are insane! This is the same ploy used in the old Soviet Union to confine those who objected to communism in psychiatric hospitals. Although Zuidema71 stresses it is not religion, but competency, that is of concern, the veracity of the Scriptures has historically been of central concern to most Christians. As the above anonymous reviewer concluded:

‘The crux of the matter, obviously, is the question of competency to teach science [and] evolution concepts, being essential to an understanding of the life sciences, might arise. One critic … has even questioned whether faculty … who accept Scripture literally are qualified for faculty or administrative positions. Isn’t the integrity of scholars at the heart of this [controversy]?’

The above line of reasoning has horrendous implications. As McGuigan said of one discrimination case a creationist was then fighting in the courts:

‘Conservatives, supporters of academic freedom, and friends of liberty in general will be watching this case carefully, more than a little nervous about their own futures if such a miscarriage of justice is not overturned.’72

Persons who advocate currently unpopular views in science and other academic disciplines (such as the non-Marxist economic view by sociology, government, and history faculty) have always faced serious problems. In general though, conservative Christians are now facing the most serious problems. Thus Wildman stated:

‘… the persecution of practicing Christians has already begun, albeit not in a physical manner … [there are already many] cases in which educators who subscribe to the creation theory have suffered because of that intellectual belief. These cases have not been heavily reported in the national secular media, although … had the individuals been dismissed from a Christian school for teaching evolution they would have made major headlines … . The irony of [these] … cases … is the silencing of academic freedom by those who supposedly support [it] … and the condoning of … the persecution of those who dare to believe in creationism because of intellectual honesty. We do, however, indeed find it odd that the creation theory cannot be taught in schools because it is “religion”, but the evolution theory is openly taught—sometimes not as theory but as fact—despite the fact that it is a basic tenet of the humanist religion. (See Humanist Manifesto I) “Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created.” ’73

The justification for religious persecution has always been the presumption that those persecuted deserve it because their view of reality is incorrect or erroneous, often called heresy. If one is able to justify discrimination on the grounds that the victims are not ‘accurately able to assess reality’, or because their view is based on metaphysical presuppositions as opposed to an examination of empirical data, one could use this reasoning to discriminate against any and all religious beliefs. All sacred positions are to some degree based upon a view of reality which is less than fully empirically supportable.74 Faith, the bridge between empirical reality and belief, is an especially important aspect of the Judeo-Christian-Muslim worldview. For one to categorically state that someone’s view of reality is wrong, and thus this justifies denial of employment and consequently denial of life’s basic necessities, is an horrendous conclusion. Normally the state steps in only if beliefs are translated into illegal criminal actions such as assault.

Mormons believe that all humans have always existed and in the after-life will become gods, that Adam and Eve were literally created in Independence, Missouri, and that, in spite of what many scholars have concluded are its many inaccuracies and errors, The Book of Mormon is inspired by God.75 They also would have a poor grasp of reality, according to those quoted above. Thus, should not all Mormon teachers also be terminated?

Likewise, Catholics obviously do not have much of a grasp on reality in that they believe, in contradiction to all chemical analysis, that the Eucharist literally changes the bread and wine into the physical body and blood of Christ. Thus, all Catholic teachers likewise should be terminated. The explanation that transubstantiation causes ‘substantial change’, which scientists today cannot study, or ‘accidental change’ in Aristotelian terminology, one could easily conclude is a rationalisation to cover an irrational conclusion.

Some also may feel that Jews, believing that they are God’s chosen people, and that it is morally wrong to eat pork (a perfectly nutritious food if cooked properly) and that someday a ‘messiah’ will come to earth from heaven, obviously do not have a very accurate grasp of reality. Thus, should they also be terminated from their teaching positions, denied degrees, etc.? One could argue in the same way about all religious faiths, including atheism which Melton76 defines as a religion in the American liberal tradition.

In the old Soviet Union, this exact reasoning was utilised to justify discrimination against all theistic positions. The signing of a statement swearing that one is an atheist was once required to teach in a Soviet university.77 It was obvious to them that anyone who held a religious viewpoint, even a ‘liberal’ one, does not have an accurate grasp of reality and thus should ‘not be in a position to influence young people along objective paths’ and therefore should not be allowed to be teachers regardless of their academic record. All religious views, they concluded, are myths impeding an objective grasp of reality. One must obviously first ask, ‘Who is qualified to be the judge of such things as the worldviews of others?’ Bergman tries to answer this as follows:

‘Even if one holds controversial views which are directly related to one’s teaching or occupational assignment, it is generally conceded that, if one can accurately articulate the opposing position (such as a young earth creationist who can accurately explain and present the data, reasoning, etc., used to support the old earth position), then one cannot charge incompetence, and discrimination should not take place.’78

One’s private religious views, whether right or wrong, are usually irrelevant in the work place. A person can be a highly competent mathematician, and yet hold views on astrology or parapsychology not commensurate with the contemporary scientific consensus.79 Some professors of the author’s acquaintance follow astrology, or give credence to other ideas that many authorities conclude have been clearly refuted. If all of these likewise are terminated, who is going to be left? Our foremost concern should be religious freedom and freedom of conscience. Where genuine differences of opinion exist, concerns relative to one’s teaching qualifications may be discussed, but teachers should be evaluated primarily upon their knowledge and expertise in their speciality area, not their religious views or scientific conclusions.

What must be done
Few persons or organisations have concerned themselves with the rights of religious minorities, and even fewer with those of creationists—and some who have experienced difficulties would more accurately be classified as progressive or liberal creationists.80 The academic community now seems to be becoming more open and blatant relative to this form of discrimination. Laws are useless unless enforced, and as we have noted the government has so far in most cases refused to enforce existing laws relative to this form of religious discrimination. They often now do not aid creationists or those with a conservative religious orientation in general. As the anonymous reviewer quoted above concluded:

‘… governments and universities have not enforced existing laws because religious discrimination is really not the basic issue … Creationism of many sorts has proven to be astoundingly unfruitful as a research program and so distortive of factual material that it is unclear how that material can be competently taught.’

Can we truly call our society free if Meikle’s call, quoted below, is implemented?

‘It is the responsibility of professional societies to discriminate against [creationists] … by separating them from teaching through exposure and removal. It is the responsibility of the public school system to do likewise.’81

The solution to this problem is best summarised by Wildman who, in his public presentations,

‘… has been telling his audiences that unless the Christian community becomes involved in the struggle for [religious freedom] and does so quickly, that those being born today will be physically persecuted if they desire to practice their Christian faith. “I fully understand how radical this statement sounds, but it is an intellectually honest statement—not one to shock”.’82

The only thing preventing termination of employment for many creationists, tenure, may not be as safe as assumed in the past. As Zuidema found:

‘“Academic freedom” and “tenure”, those twin holies of academia, have been restraining factors by keeping state university faculties from openly challenging … their creationist colleagues. Yet some brave souls have sought confrontations.’83

The appropriate response to this problem is to bring to the attention of the authorities the commonality and seriousness of this problem. Religious discrimination is illegal, and thus vigorous efforts need to be made by those discriminated against and the various law and policy enforcement officials to fight it. This will help to ensure that the law is taken seriously and enforced. Increased public awareness is immensely important in dealing with this problem. In addition, several precedent court cases would reduce the likelihood that employers in the future discriminate against creationists. If the likelihood of losing a case is high, forcing payment of wages, damages, lawyer’s and other costs, most employers would probably not discriminate. They now clearly perceive, and presently correctly so, that the likelihood of a conviction in a religious discrimination case is extremely low. They are now for this reason often not hesitant to discriminate. They can now often cover their tracks, generally have available highly paid attorneys, and are often able to win cases by skirting around the law or dragging it out for years.

To their credit, many individuals are concerned about the civil liberties and rights of individuals, even those that they personally disagree with. In reviewing several religious discrimination cases, the author found that it is not uncommon to find some persons active in defending the rights of those religious minorities that they clearly disagreed with. Their support comes from their conviction that all persons have the right to hold a set of beliefs, however unpopular, if they are sincerely held and are not openly detrimental to the welfare of the local community or the population as a whole. The belief that we are created beings, deliberately designed by God, is hardly detrimental to the community’s welfare, and it could be argued that it is useful in facilitating behaviour which is supportive of community order and functional morality.

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tropicalstorm answered on 03/23/07:

Gee Peddlers
That was too long and I lost it by the second sentence but what I know is if scientists do not go along with the program they are not given the funding they need.

Microbiologists have been mysteriously dying according to George sNoory C2C

mysterious deaths of scientists )

Question/Answer
MarySusan asked on 03/23/07 - Science Proves Conclusively-No Vampires

This is the proof that there are absolutely no such thing as a human vampire:

"If a single vampire fed on a single human in the first month, this would create two vampires -- and decrease the human population by one, leaving it at 536,870,911 - 1 = 536,870,910. In the second month, those two vampires would each feed, transforming two people into vampires -- so you get four vampires and a human population of 536,870,911 - 3 = 536,870,908. So you can see where this is headed. The vampire population is increasing in a geometric progression, and the population of humans is similarly decreasing -- and at that rate, the authors calculate, the entire human population would be transformed into vampires in only 30 months. QED!"

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Can put that myth to rest!!!!

Comments?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/23/07:

I have been more concerned about if the greys are friend or foe.

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Pericles asked on 03/23/07 - Should Christians Throw Stones?


This topic holds me busy every time I see a post about alledged attrocities by Muslims : Should Christians Throw Stones?


One of Jesus's most famous admonitions to his followers was that "he who is without sin" should cast the first stone (this is probably one of the best messages in the entire Bible). When anti-atheists make atheists their scapegoat for everything they don't like in society, or try to force their religion down the throats of atheists' children, do they remember those words?
Christian fundamentalists have no right whatsoever to lecture anyone about morality or past sins. When they cast stones, do they realize that Hitler's attempt to exterminate the Jews was far from an exceptional event in Christian history? Do they realize it was merely the culmination of 700 years of systematic fundamentalist extermination and torture of "heretics"? It started with the Crusades, continued with the medieval Inquisitions, and was fully sanctioned by the Roman Catholic church (starting with Pope Innocent IV, who legalized it in "Ad Extirpanda") until the early twentieth century, when the Pope finally outlawed torture as a means of converting unbelievers. It should also be noted that the Church was conspicuously silent during Hitler's Holocaust, although Catholics dispute this. They claim that Pope Pius XII did a great deal to save Jews behind the scenes, but Jews point out that he suddenly "discovered" his sympathy for the Jews only after 1942, when he realized the Allies might win, so he shrewdly kept one foot in either camp by secretly helping Jews while publicly refusing to denounce Hitler's actions.
The RC church never even excommunicated Hitler, nor did they add his "Mein Kampf" to their long list of banned books! In fact, Pope Pius XII himself ordered church officials in Berlin to send "warmest congratulations" to Hitler on his birthday every year.

The worst part is that this incredible 700 year history of mass murder was only distinguished from earlier eras by the sheer scale of the atrocities.
Those atrocities had actually been occurring on a smaller scale since virtually the dawn of Christianity.
While Christians were fed to the Lions at one time in Rome, they eventually seized power about a century after the death of Emperor Commodus.
Once they seized power, they immediately repaid the favour tenfold, by torturing, crucifying, and otherwise killing those who refused to convert!
It is well known that they outlawed gladiatorial combat upon seizing power, but few Christian historians like to point out that they replaced it with a greatly increased appetite for public executions and tortures.

Even the most superficial study of world history will show that the aggressive xenophobia of Christianity has been remarkable, almost stunning compared to other religions.
A sharp contrast to the fundamentalist approach was seen in the original Roman state religion, which was based on cultural assimilation: rather than obliterating other societies' religions in favour of their own, they simply incorporated those societies' gods into their own pantheon (the Jews resisted this process and aggressively attacked other religious sects, thus forcing the Romans to wall them off in separate communities).
Ancient tribal peoples rarely fought over the existence or non-existence of their respective gods; they preferred to simply think of another tribe's gods as inferior to their own, without attempting to deny their existence.
It may surprise you to know that some of the Jewish Old Testament texts still show these polytheistic influences; for example, God instructs his people that they should "have no other gods before me".
Notice that he doesn't tell them that these other gods don't exist; he merely tells them that he must be first.
Unfortunately, God's prescribed method for ensuring his primacy involved violence, and his followers took this message to heart.

However, it's problematic to evaluate the morality of a religion or philosophy based on the past behaviour of its adherents, no matter how heinous.
Stalin was an atheist and he killed millions. Hitler was a Christian and he killed millions. The Roman Catholics were Christians and they killed countless tens of millions throughout the Dark Ages, with the Crusades, Inquisitions, and the brutal conquests and subjugations of Africa and the Americas.
Far from indicting atheists and vindicating Christians, a direct comparison of historical records should, if anything, give Christians a moment of self-doubt.
Sure enough, more enlightened Christians are perfectly willing to acknowledge that they must break away from the past rather than yearning to return to it.
But the right-wing fundamentalists are not given to self-doubt, so they will inevitably steer the discussion away from their sad own Christian history.


Any comments?




(With thanks to Michael Wong!)


tropicalstorm answered on 03/23/07:

They do say that people who do not know history are doomed to repeat it but I also do believe we do have to evaluate things on their own merit-- breaking away from the past because we can not change the mess ups our ancestors made--only learn from them.
Also pointing fingers back and forth only muddys the issue and sounds like each side is saying two wrongs makes one right instead of taking personal responsibility for the here and now situation at hand.

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MaggieB asked on 03/23/07 - Belle

Belle
Belle/re Trinity
belle33 03/22/07
This has always been viewed by many as a "no can be" and even I didn't understand it until I became a Christian, it is hard to understand that the Holy Spirit directs you and helps you discern the scriptures.

First of all, have you accepted Jesus as your Saviour?
If not, I would invite you to let Him come into your heart and soul, thereby giving your life to Him to serve, worship and follow His teachings.

God is a spirit being and we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Jesus and the Holy Spirit were with God at the beginning when God said let {us} make Him (man) in our own image.

However, Jesus sent His Son {impregnated Mary by the Holy Spirit} to earth as a human to live a sinless life and then die on the cross, shedding His blood for all that would believe that Jesus was the Son of God. Upon His baptism by John the Baptist (the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove) came down from heaven and God said this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.

By the Trinity of God we mean His tri-personal existence as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, three distinct persons in one God.

The Father is recognized as God, (I Peter 1:2) and is all the fullness of the Godhead invisible (John 1:18).

The Son is recognized as God (Hebrews 1:8) which says: But to the Son (Jesus) He (God) says: Your throne O God (Jesus), is forever and ever; A scepter of righteouness is the scepter of your kingdom.

The Holy Spirit is recognized as God (Acts 5:3-4). In dealing with Ananias, Peter revealed the diety of the Holy Spirit when he said, " Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, thou has lied unto God, not to men". In this scripture it is very clear that the Holy Spirit is God, and He is co-equal, co-eternal and co-existent with the Father and the Son. His diety is also set forth in that He possesses divine attributes. He is everywhere present in the universe. He has all power. He has all knowledge.

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit). (It doesn't say one or the other, it says all three!)

Even creation implies the doctrine of the Trinity.
In creation we have space, matter and time in one space. In space, we have length, breath and height in one space. In matter, we have
energy, motion and phenoenoma in one substance. In time, we have past, present and future in one time. In man, we have body, soul and spirit in one man. In the Holy Triniity, we have the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit in one God.


I John 5:7-8
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Son) and the Holy Ghost (Spirit): and these three are one.

I hope in some way this will help you understand the Trinty . There is so much more to learn but the (Three) certainly help me daily.

God bless,
MaggieB


Clarification/Follow-up by MaggieB on 03/22/07 10:21 pm:
Belle did you not read this note that I sent you?

maggieB

tropicalstorm answered on 03/23/07:

I always liked the body, soul, spirit analogy the best out of all triune type analogies

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MaggieB asked on 03/22/07 - The following is what everyone who is loaded with millions should do:

HONOLULU - Dorie-Ann Kahale and her five daughters moved from a homeless shelter to a mansion Thursday, courtesy of a Japanese real estate mogul who is handing over eight of his multimillion-dollar homes to low-income Native Hawaiian families.

Tears spilled down Kahale's cheeks as she accepted from Genshiro Kawamoto the key to a white, columned house with a circular driveway, a stone staircase and a deep porcelain bathtub. Her family will live there rent-free, but must pay utility bills.

"What we need to do is appreciate," Kahale said. "As fast as we got it, it could disappear."

Kawamoto, whose own eyes started welling up as Kahale cried, handed over two other homes Thursday to homeless or low-income families.

Kawamoto, one of Japan's richest men, said he plans to open eight of his 22 Kahala homes to needy Hawaiian families. They will be able to stay in the homes for up to 10 years, he said.

Native Hawaiians are disproportionately represented among the state's homeless and working poor.

Giving away mansions shows more dedication to helping Hawaii's homeless than just handing out wads of cash, he said. Asked whether he was concerned about losing money on the effort, he laughed and said: "This is pocket money for me."

Kahale's new house is worth nearly $5 million, an average price for the mansion-like dwellings on Kahala Avenue. It is one of the more modest homes in the neighborhood, many of which feature ornate iron gates, meandering driveways and sculptured gardens.

Kahale became homeless two years ago when her landlord raised her rent from $800 to $1,200, putting the apartment beyond reach of her salary as customer service representative for Pacific LightNet, a telecommunications company. She first stayed with family, then moved to a shelter in September.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

I'd be happy with a run down shack in the mountains
---OR the desert!!! :)

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Dark_Crow asked on 03/22/07 - what is superstition?.........................



I was thumbing through old stuff when I came across this, which I posted 11/09/02. I was wondering about how the responses may be now.

One of the top complaints against spirituality by non-believers is that it is superstitious, dealing in ghosts and phantoms where there is no empirical evidence or rational argument for the existence of such phenomena. This stereotype has arisen in part because of superstitious religious traditions, in part because of the portrayal of spirituality in the mass media, and in part because some spiritual people are indeed superstitious, just like any segment of the population. But what is superstition? As I understand it, superstition is erroneous or irrational belief that arises out of ignorance or fear. It is generally based on a flawed understanding of causation versus correlation, and it is often maintained in spite of evidence to the contrary. With that said, I contend that total disbelief in all spiritual phenomena is far more superstitious than the contrary position. There have been reports of spiritual phenomena - psychic abilities, auric vision, communication with non-corporeal entities, etc.- since the dawn of human history. While in some cases, some particular contacts with the spirit world are not easily verifiable, this does not mean that they cannot be verified or that they do not exist. It simply means that they sometimes pose a challenge in terms of methodology; this is not a cue to abandon the most clear and reasonable means of understanding and explaining the fundamentals of existence. In the end, I place my faith in empiricism and our capacity for reason rather than the unshakeable belief of the materialist that there is no such thing as 'spirit.' I have experienced many spiritual phenomena, and you most likely have too regardless of how non-spiritually you may have chosen to view such experiences. The basic scientific evidence for spiritual phenomena is there; the question that science now offers us is not whether or not spirit exists, but rather what its exact nature may be.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

Have to agree with Dom as far as spirituality, superstition, spiritism are three distinct things.

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MarySusan asked on 03/22/07 - Unusual Presence

I have to tell you about the presence in my apartment for the last two weeks or so.

I'm sitting on the sofa, and I have the feeling that Nick is sitting down next to me...however, he is not there, he is across the room or on the love seat.

It is very eerie, like as I said, someone is gently sitting down next to me.


I'm thinking it is Death waiting patiently for me.

Any ideas?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

NO
IT IS NOT (underline NOT) DEATH WAITING FOR YOU!!!
Especially if it feels like your cat.
Is it like a shadowy thing or just a feeling of a presence?
I had the same thing about four times a couple weeks ago. It was like a white cat jumping across the room.
If you 'see' something shadowy it could be what
George sNoory calls shadow people, animals,
Don't worry about it
---unless it starts acting like a poltergist.

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MarySusan asked on 03/22/07 - Doris Starts Back to Work Next Week

:):):):):):):)


There are a lot worse things than a dusty apartment with teensy cobwebs here and there and with outlines of dried cat vomit on the floor. :P


So, she's really slow with the housework, but Doris is a jewel of an individual; one of the best individuals and Christians I ever met, and that's saying something. I've known lots of fine people in my life. :):):)

Hope you have good things happening in your life next week!


Regards,
Mary Sue

tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

IF I lived near you I would come and help Doris catch up. Glad you have her back :)

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ETWolverine asked on 03/22/07 - To Domino

You said:

>>>Elliot:
Have you joined the ranks of the brain dead????...what the hell makes you think any one is going to be impressed by the fact that Less than TWO PERCENT of all Senators have childrens serving in Iraq...as opposed to approximately SEVENTY percent of minorities...mostly Black and Hispanic???????<<<

Say what?

Again, you are 100% wrong.

The US Military's troop strength (as of FY 2003) was 1,161,700, of which 187,500 (16%) were blacks, 98,000 were Hispanic (8.4%), and 25,400 (2.2%) were Asian. That's the total for all military services. (Source-2004/2005 Census Bureau report to Congress on Military personnel and Veterans.)

According to the CIA world Factbook (2003) Blacks and hispanics were 12.9% of the US population, and Asians were 4.2%, and the total US population was 298,444,215. Which means that the number of blacks and hispanics in the USA was 38,499,303 and the number of Asians in the USA was 12,534,657. Which means that 0.7% of blacks and hispanics are serving in the military and 0.2% of Asians are serving in the military.

So how in hell do you get to 70% of all minorities families have children serving in the military?

Answer: you made it up.

>>>Christ...when you warmongers panic, you REALLY lose your heads. :) :) :) :) <<<

Nobody's panicking, Domino. We Conservatives just have the information to prove you wrong again and again, and we get a kick out of doing it. So we all jump at the chance.

>>>Suggest YOU think twice befor posting anything quite THAT ASSININE again LOL <<<

Suggest that you actually do some research before posting statistics you obviously made up.

Minorities neither make up most of the military, nor do most minority families have people serving in the military. In fact, that has been one of the pet peeves of the military... not enough minorities are joining. The number of blacks in the military is GOING DOWN not up, and the military is scrambling to try to increase efforts to recruit minorities. Personally I think that's a mistake, because such recruitment efforts almost invariably include lowering standards of those being actively recruited, and I believe that lowering standards will only hurt the military as a whole.

Bottom line, you made up a bull$h!t statistic (or quoted a BS statistic from some activist who didn't know any better) and stated it as fact with such emphasis and cockiness, that you thought it would pass unnoticed. To paraphrase Ronald Regan, you counted on me to be passive... you counted wrong.

Your statistic of 70% minorities in the military or 70% of minority families having a member in the military is a lie. I challenge you to post a verifiable source for it. Or else admitt that you have no source, that you were "mistaken", and MIGHT not be as mart as you think you are.

Never try to out-analyze a professional analyst.

Elliot

tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

I mostly see
the signs in the white upper middle class yards they are the parent of a soldier,
six (three mine) of poorer white families
(0ne of them killed),
and one black friend,
most of the soldiers that I hear killed in the news are white.
I also am surrounded by military bases (911th Airlift and the 171st Air Refueling Wing, 99th Regional Readiness Command and the
28th Signal Battalion's armory headquarters)

and from what I see they seem to be mostly white.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/22/07 - JW's follow a murderous desert god & say goddamnliar?


They say those that do are wonderful godly people.
goddamnliar

{In responding to Domino}
Take care and thanks for the information.
Good stuff: The truth!
Hope12


domino 03/21/07
Peddler:
You are simply a goddamnliar. DOMINO never posted anything of the kind. Are you into senile dementia, or is it that you simply cannot comprehend what you read :) :) :) Or do you think you are pleasing your murderous desert god by Lying????????



tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Bible the JW's read does have the same wars and so forth in it doesn't it?

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Toms777 asked on 03/22/07 - hOPE and Her Block

hOPE12 says:

"Hello Everyone,
I was going to give this to Tom777, but he has blocked me but that is okay, I blocked him also first and he retaliated."

hOPE appears to not underdtand how this board works. When she blocked me, she also automatically blocked herself from answering me.

No retaliation, hOPE, it is all your doing!

Tom

tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

Precisely
I hope everybody understands that now because it took three days of arguing already.
It works like a PFA is SUPPOSE to -if you don't
want them to contact you aren't allowed to contact them either. Why should it work one way!

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hOPE12 asked on 03/22/07 - Come on experts, read what it is said before commenting!

To All,

Please read my statements before posting. I have only called two persons on this board false Christians.
Tom777 and Peddler. Why are so many feeling I have called them Christendom. What I have stated is that those whose conduct is cursing, lying and treating others badly and who are "Claiming to be Christians," are liars and part of Christendom. I have never stated any other names or put the shoe on anyone else put Tom777 and peddler. Why are so many upset? Why wear this shoe, if it doesn't fit you? I do not judge tom777 or peddler, they have judged themselves by their conduct. As to those angry with me, if you wear this shoe, then you all are judging yourselves because I never mentioned anyone elses name but two, Tom777 and peddler.

Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 03/22/07:

when I refer to JW's saying Christendom it is because it is my understanding from all the JW's that I know personally and others I have talked with, as a whole in the past 30 years, call Christians outside of the JW's Christiandom and therefore that is my understanding and I didn't mean you as a singular.
Also when I was saying about some here thinking me an atheist because I do not automatically take one side of anything I was not referring to you either like Perc seemed to think.
Also I have studied with JW's some and I do agree with two or three of their beliefs.

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Toms777 asked on 03/21/07 - Are JWs Christians?

Are Jehovah's witnesses Christian?

Not everyone who says that they follow Jesus is a Christian. Jesus warned about this, as did Paul.

Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
NKJV

Paul was more direct, warning against those who gave a different gospel and a different Jesus:

Gal 1:6-10
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
NKJV

2 Cor 11:4
4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it!
NKJV

Thus just stating that a person follows Jesus is not enough.

Im my opinion, Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians for the following reason:

1) Paul says above that a key to this is the gospel which they teach and that we should look out for a different gospel. Paul said that the gospel included the cross which Jehovah's Witnesses deny.

Gal 6:14-15
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
NKJV

Paul considered this central to the gospel.

With respect to the gospel, Jehovah's Witnesses deny the need to be born again which was proclaimed by Jesus:

John 3:3-4
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
NKJV

Therefore I would contend that what scripture teaches and what Jehovah's Witnesses teach is a different gospel.

2) Paul warned against the following of a different Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God, yet the OT says that God is our Redeemer, and by name identifies the Redeemer (Jesus) as Yahweh (Is 48:16-17), which is re-inforced by Is 9:6 and John 1:1.

Isa 9:6
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
NKJV

John 1:1-5
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
NKJV

Therefore on the two points raised specifically by Paul, the JWs teach a different Jesus and a different gospel.

If we define a Christian based upon those who follow Jesus described in the Bible, then in my opinion, I would have to say that Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

see Hope's reply to Perc's The failed proof for God's existence ....
apparently we are not allowed to call
JW's not Christian BUT it is perfectly acceptable that they can call us Christendom
to make a distinction that we
'are not Christian'
Go figure!

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MarySusan asked on 03/21/07 - Apes Throwing Feces

If you want to see modern day "feces throwing" ala our ancestors the great apes, go over to the Politics Board and read the questions and comments of: Tomder-de-der-der, Steve-anzee, kinji, and OrthodoxElliot :):):)

LOLOL!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

you think answerways political board is bad you should see yahoo answers political board!!!

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hOPE12 asked on 03/21/07 - I need to get Something really straight on this Board.

To all who are downing MarySusan and others who believe different then you so called Christians, I have one thing to say to you guys, "get a life."

Some on this forum who claim to be Christians are phoney. Those such as MarySusan and Pericles and Domino have more kindness in them, then those who claim to be Christians. There actions will get them life faster then some who think they are God's gift to Christianity.

Being a Christian is shown in how one treats their fellowman/women. You false Christions are really not getting it, are you. You claim to love God while some of you lie, curse, and hate others because they are different. Whatever happened to love they neighbor??????

I just had to say this, all this garbage is really getting me fed up. No wonder people can't believe in God or in True Christianity. Some like Peddler, and Tom777, chase them away with your lies about others and especially about what true Christianity is. I say to you, why do you claim freedom of choice and not give that same freedom to others?


Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

Precisely why some have been insisting that I must be atheist because I point out some inconsistencies. Some keep saying how the Bible says accept God by faith yet insist on drilling
evolution vs creation to prove what they rightly say the Bible says by faith. I point that out and I am therefore an atheist taking atheist's side.

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domino asked on 03/21/07 - Spring Sprung #3

In trying to prove that the "bible teaches us to wear clothes" Peddler posted the 'slavery' verse where Yahweh was so appalled at Ham seeing his fathers naked ass that he invented slavery as a punishment for Ham and his descendents.
Now if Yahweh was so appalled at one SON seeing ONE FATHER'S WRINKELD OLD NAKED BUTT...why WOULD HE ORDER Isaiah to prance around BUCK NAKED in front of EVERYONE for THREE YEARS?????????? [Isa; 20:3]

tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

maybe their is something about father's wrinkled old naked butts that makes a difference??? Could it be a because it is a family taboo??
Dunno

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MaggieB asked on 03/21/07 - A quiz for all the smart intelligent experts here.

I will give you the questions and later check your answers then I will post the answers to the quiz.

It is an old quiz but it's a fun thing. Not a thing to do with Christianity.


1) How long did the Hundred Years' War last?

2) Which country makes Panama hats?

3) From which animal do we get catgut?

4) In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution?

5) What is a camel's hair brush made of?

6) The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal?

7) What was King George VI's first name?

8) What color is a purple finch?

9) Where are Chinese Gooseberries from?

10) What is the color of the black box in a commercial airplane?

Thanks,
MaggieB

tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

1.) lasting 116 years from 1337 to 1453
2.) panama jack )
3.) from the intestines of sheep/goat, or occasionally from those of the hog, horse, mule, and donkey. Glad it ain't my cat!
4.) all I know about is the german Octoberfest

penn brewery
)
5.) Did learn something at Art Institute. Paintbrush bristles horses, squirrels, goats, sheep, bears, or some combination of these. As a result, the texture, absorbency, and other properties of "camel hair" brushes vary markedly. Woolly type camel hair is unsuitable for brush bristles.
6.) the Romans gave it the name Canary which comes from the latin word "Canae" which means "dog". Canary birds got their name from the canary Islands.
7.) Hank?
8.) raspberry
9.) kiwi?
10.) Learned this the last time I told my black box joke. Named after inventor Black they are
ORANGE


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Pericles asked on 03/21/07 - Creationism is Non-Scientific


"Scientific" Creationism Examined !


An uninformed person might think that the recent surge in creationism is based on some new findings that support the theory or that point out some basic flaw in the theory of evolution.

That, however, is not the case, as the renowned palaeontologist Stephen Jay Gould said:

"According to idealized principles of scientific discourse. the arousal of dormant issues should reflect fresh data that give renewed life to abandoned notions. Those outside the current debate may therefore be excused for suspecting that the creationists have generated some serious internal trouble. But nothing has changed; the creationists have presented not a single new fact or argument ... The rise of creationism is politics, pure and simple; it represents one issue (and by no means the major concern) of the resurgent evangelical right".


We will be looking here at the standard creationist arguments:

  • Creationism is not science for it base its fundamental beliefs not on empirical research but on a belief in biblical inerrancy.

  • The creationist arguments for a young earth, one that is only a few thousand years old, fail upon closer examination.

  • The creationist argument for that the rock strata were all laid at the same time, during the Noahchian flood, fails.

  • The creationist have two pseudo-methods of trying to impress their readers:

      o They use credential mongering, trying to impress their readers with PhD's that have no relevance.
      o They often quote opponents out of context creating an opposite impression of what was intended.

Obviously, these pious fundamentalists have no qualms against dishonest methods like these to prove the truth of their Bible. In summary, "Scientific Creationism" is not science, but a modern manifestation of Christian fundamentalist irrationalism.

Recently a new species of creationism has evolved. This new creature, called old earth creationism, believes, unlike the young earth creationism we looked at above, that the world is as old as scientists say it is but that it still carries within it signs of being intelligently designed.

Creationism in any format is Non-Scientific !!!


Link to very extended supporting article


Any comments ?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

I have explained til virtually blue in the face how the earth can be older than creation but
Peddler keeps twisting my words and saying
therefore I can't believe the Bible because that would be saying I believe in evolution and there was No Noah flood --which I NEVER said.

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Pericles asked on 03/20/07 - Can anyone here help me?


Glad to be on the Christianity Board.
I temporally need some cash. Urgently.
A couple of thousand bucks will do.
Any Christian who can help me with that?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

I was at the airport when my ship came in
but if I have an idea what your problem-o is
I might be able to help with one of my
witch doktorin' brews.
if it is heart/cholestrol related you need

garlic
omega 3
vitamin E
vitamin B 6
V 8 juice
Cannelli beans
Camellia tea oil
L carnitine

AVOID
salads
Vitamin K (aids blood clotting: DO NOT take if on blood thinners-Kudama, etc…)
Ginger (thins blood: DO NOT take if on blood thinners)

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Pericles asked on 03/20/07 - Breaking News !!!

Biblegod Admits "I Screwed Up"!!!

According to the story in Genesis...

Among all the creatures, the only one created by Biblegod without a female to keep it company, was Adam.(1)

Afterwards, Biblegod came to realize he'd done something that wasn't good, for he said to himself :
"It's not good for man to be alone" and so he fixed it by making a female for Adam.(2)

Things to note here:

* Biblegod himself (not Satan, not mankind) is the one who created this "not good" situation in the first place.
* Biblegod himself (and not some wild-eyed Atheist) is the one who declared it to BE a less-than-good situation.
* And Biblegod himself is the one who fixed this imperfect situation, and as we all know, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", so it must have been "broke" in the first place.

A truly perfect being, incapable of making mistakes, could not have made ANY mistakes.
Biblegod, however, MADE a mistake by creating the male without the female, then freely admitted it to BE a mistake, and then proved beyond all doubt that it certainly WAS a mistake by fixing his mistake.
Thus (if Biblegod were real) Christians are worshipping a faulty, imperfect god, who has admitted to screwing up in the past, and may just screw up again in the future- maybe even screw up their salvation by sending all Fundies to hell and Atheists to heaven.

1) Genesis 2:7
2) Biblegod, in Genesis 2:18


(Copied from "jcnot4me")


Any comments?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/21/07:

MAYBE Biblegod not needing Biblegoddess
----as he created man in his image-----
did not think man need woman
wonder WHAT 'changed biblegod's mind'?

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Hwood asked on 03/20/07 -
GOD IS ALL THIS AND MORE. What do you believe?


He is the First and Last,
the Beginning and the End!
He is the keeper of Creation
and the Creator of all!
He is the Architect of the Universe
and the Manager of all times.
He always was,
He always is,
and He always will be . .
Unmoved,
Unchanged,
Undefeated, and never Undone!

He was bruised and brought healing!
He was pierced and eased pain!
He was persecuted and brought freedom!
He was dead and brought life!
He is risen and brings power!
He reigns and brings Peace!
The world can't understand him,
The armies can't defeat Him,
The schools can't explain Him,
and the leaders can't ignore Him.
Herod couldn't kill Him,
The Pharisees couldn't confuse Him, and
The people couldn't hold Him!
Nero couldn't crush Him,
Hitler couldn't silence Him,
The New Age can't replace Him, and nonbelievers
can't explain Him away!
He is Light, Love, Longevity, and Lord.
He is Goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, and God.
He is Holy, Righteous, Mighty, Powerful, and Pure
His ways are right, His Word is eternal,

His will is unchanging, and His mind is on me!

He is my Redeemer, He is my Savior,
He is my Guide, and He is my Peace!
He is my Joy, He is my Comfort, He is my Lord,
He rules my life!
I serve Him because His bond is love, His burden
is light, and His goal for me is abundant life.
I follow Him because He is the Wisdom of the wise,
The Power of the powerful, The Ancient of Days,
the Ruler of rulers, the Leader of leaders,
the Overseer of the over comers,
and the Sovereign Lord of all that was,
and is and is to come.
And if that seems impressive to you, try this for size:

His goal is a relationship with me!
He will NEVER leave me, NEVER forsake me,
NEVER mislead me, NEVER forget me, NEVER overlook me,
and NEVER cancel my appointment in His appointment book!
When I fall, He lifts me up! When I fail, He forgives
When I am weak, He is strong! When I am lost, He is the way! When
I am afraid, He is my courage!
When I stumble, He steadies me!
When I am hurt, He heals me!
When I am broken, He mends me! When I am blind, He leads me!
When I am hungry, He feeds me! When I face trials, He is with me!
When I face persecution, He shields me!
When I face loss, He provides for me!
When I face Death, He carries me Home!
He is everything for
everybody, everywhere, every time, and every way.
He is God! He is Faithful. I am His, and He is mine!
So, if you're wondering why I feel so secure,
understand this . . .
He said it and that settles it.
God is in control, I am on His side,
and that means all is well with my soul.
Everyday is a blessing
for
GOD IS!!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/20/07:

You would like this poster


I am
)

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Hwood asked on 03/20/07 -
GOD IS ALL THIS AND MORE. What do you believe?


He is the First and Last,
the Beginning and the End!
He is the keeper of Creation
and the Creator of all!
He is the Architect of the Universe
and the Manager of all times.
He always was,
He always is,
and He always will be . .
Unmoved,
Unchanged,
Undefeated, and never Undone!

He was bruised and brought healing!
He was pierced and eased pain!
He was persecuted and brought freedom!
He was dead and brought life!
He is risen and brings power!
He reigns and brings Peace!
The world can't understand him,
The armies can't defeat Him,
The schools can't explain Him,
and the leaders can't ignore Him.
Herod couldn't kill Him,
The Pharisees couldn't confuse Him, and
The people couldn't hold Him!
Nero couldn't crush Him,
Hitler couldn't silence Him,
The New Age can't replace Him, and nonbelievers
can't explain Him away!
He is Light, Love, Longevity, and Lord.
He is Goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, and God.
He is Holy, Righteous, Mighty, Powerful, and Pure
His ways are right, His Word is eternal,

His will is unchanging, and His mind is on me!

He is my Redeemer, He is my Savior,
He is my Guide, and He is my Peace!
He is my Joy, He is my Comfort, He is my Lord,
He rules my life!
I serve Him because His bond is love, His burden
is light, and His goal for me is abundant life.
I follow Him because He is the Wisdom of the wise,
The Power of the powerful, The Ancient of Days,
the Ruler of rulers, the Leader of leaders,
the Overseer of the over comers,
and the Sovereign Lord of all that was,
and is and is to come.
And if that seems impressive to you, try this for size:

His goal is a relationship with me!
He will NEVER leave me, NEVER forsake me,
NEVER mislead me, NEVER forget me, NEVER overlook me,
and NEVER cancel my appointment in His appointment book!
When I fall, He lifts me up! When I fail, He forgives
When I am weak, He is strong! When I am lost, He is the way! When
I am afraid, He is my courage!
When I stumble, He steadies me!
When I am hurt, He heals me!
When I am broken, He mends me! When I am blind, He leads me!
When I am hungry, He feeds me! When I face trials, He is with me!
When I face persecution, He shields me!
When I face loss, He provides for me!
When I face Death, He carries me Home!
He is everything for
everybody, everywhere, every time, and every way.
He is God! He is Faithful. I am His, and He is mine!
So, if you're wondering why I feel so secure,
understand this . . .
He said it and that settles it.
God is in control, I am on His side,
and that means all is well with my soul.
Everyday is a blessing
for
GOD IS!!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/20/07:

Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

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HANK1 asked on 03/20/07 - Can Atheists become Christians?



"Remove God from Christianity and the moral standard becomes culture. Atheists see themselves as following the moral rules of Christianity without believing in God, which actually makes them more functioning Christians."

Source: hellboundalleee.blogspot.com/2006/05/how-can-atheist-be-christian.html -

Do you agree?

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 03/20/07:

whoa you just might have Peddler on your behind about going to a site that deals with atheism.

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HANK1 asked on 03/20/07 - DOMINO - SWEET DOMINO:



The following is Domino's answer to Pericles' post entitled "Domino's Money."

"domino 03/20/07
Why on earth would I want to do THAT since it is so much fun kicking your asses HERE?????? And showing up the warts on Mamma Christianity's butt???????

p.s. I never claimed to be "rich beyond measure" except in family and friends...My accountant and lawyers do a very good job of 'measuring' and increasing my wealth.

And what has your racist bullshit to do with MY money???????"

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 03/20/07:

Did he tell Perc that too?
I saw he told Peddler that.

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MaggieB asked on 03/20/07 - Domino, are you attending this grand function?

Chefs to Prepare Gourmet Feast for Millionaires at the Pyramids in Egypt


BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- From the creators of the $25,000 dinner, there's another pricey gourmet feast on the horizon.
Wealthy foodies can mark their calendars for Dec. 12, 2008, when top chefs from around the world will be flown to Egypt to cook a dinner in front of the ancient Pyramids of Giza, organizer Deepak Ohri said Monday.

This dinner will be a bargain, at least compared to the one in Bangkok last month that was billed as the meal of a lifetime and cooked by six 3-star Michelin chefs for $25,000 a head. High-rolling food lovers flew in from the United States, Europe, the Middle East and across Asia for the 40-seat dinner.

The price for dining beside the pyramids has not yet been set, but it will cost less than $10,000 per person, said Ohri, the managing director of Bangkok's luxury Lebua hotel, the event planner behind the dinners that are boldly titled "Epicurean Masters of the World."

Though cheaper, the upcoming feast is intended to be even grander than its predecessor.

"It will still be for millionaires, but this dinner will be for a lot of millionaires," Ohri told The Associated Press.

Some 500 tickets will be sold for the dinner to be cooked by 30 3-star Michelin chefs.

About a third of the chefs already have confirmed their attendance; each chef will prepare a meal for roughly 17 diners.

A kitchen half a mile long will be set up against the backdrop of the pyramids with equipment and the best ingredients jetted in from around the world.

Unlike the $25,000 dinner, which featured rare French wines and mostly French food, the next meal will be culturally diverse and paired with fine wines from around the world, Ohri said.

Just how close diners will be to the pyramids depends upon the Egyptian government and the U.N.'s cultural body UNESCO, since the pyramids are a World Heritage site.

Talks are under way with authorities, Ohri said, noting that organizers are "considering" giving profits from the dinner to an organization or charity that deals with conserving the Seven Wonders of the World. The pyramids are the only surviving structure from the traditional list of architectural marvels.

All profits from the $25,000 dinner are going to two charities -- Medecins Sans Frontieres, which will be sent a check for $15,000, and the Chaipattana Foundation, a rural development program set up by the king of Thailand, which will receive $46,000, Ohri said.





tropicalstorm answered on 03/20/07:

I saw that and thought of Pete.

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Toms777 asked on 03/20/07 - Atheist Holiday?

An atheist became incensed over the preparation for Easter and Passover holidays and decided to contact the local ACLU about the discrimination inflicted on atheists by the constant celebrations afforded to Christians and Jews with all their holidays while the atheists had no holiday to celebrate.

The ACLU jumped on the opportunity to once again pick up the cause of the God-less and assigned their sharpest attorneys to the case.

The case was brought before a wise judge who, after listening to the long and passionate presentation of the ACLU lawyers, promptly banged his gavel and declared, "Case dismissed!"

The lead ACLU lawyer immediately stood and objected to the ruling and said, "Your honor, how can you possibly dismiss this case?

Surely the Christians have Christmas, Easter and many other observances. And the Jews - why in addition to Passover they have Yom Kippur and Hanukkah ... and yet my client and all other atheists have no such holiday!"

The judge leaned forward in his chair and simply said, "Obviously your client is too confused to know about, or for that matter, even celebrate the atheists' holiday!"

The ACLU lawyer pompously said, "We are aware of no such holiday for atheists, just when might that be, your Honor?"

The judge said, "Well, it comes every year on exactly the same date - APRIL 1st!"

The FOOL says in his heart, "There is no God."
Psalm 14:1 & Psalm 53:1

tropicalstorm answered on 03/20/07:

Actually an atheist did say

April 13 should be our day.

Thomas Jefferson and Madalyn Murray O'Hair were both born on April 13. Jefferson was not only the author of the American Declaration of Independence from England, but he believed so strongly in the separation of church and state that he ended tax support of churches in Virginia and other colonies. Madalyn Murray O'Hair brought atheism to the forefront of American law, and founded our organization. Her departure is a mystery, but her vision and courage are history, quite clear enough to celebrate.

I propose that April 13 be celebrated as American Atheism Day beginning next year. Informal celebrations need not await national holiday status, and they would help build momentum for national acceptance. I further propose that American Atheists take the lead in campaigning for its eventual acceptance as a national legal holiday, with a goal of its national establishment by the year 2000.


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peddler7118 asked on 03/19/07 - Is this good advice for Christians?

Just to let you know, atheists and skeptics and freethinkers are sticklers for facts...has been my experience when reading their material. *Being accurate* is the best way to counter arguments from blind faith and fear.

Christians...a completely different story!! They have the hidden agenda of protecting Christianity from facts, for some reason. No reason to be so fearful of facts which incidently is "the truth".
Mary Sue



Once upon a time long ago and far far away there was a rock,and then it rained. We don't know what caused the rock or the rain it was just there.
Then after millions or billions ,well a really long time ago lightning struck a pool the rock disssolved in. We don't know where the pool came from or the lightning, it was just there.
Then a cell just sprang to life, we don't know how, it just did. Unfortuantely all the evidence failed to fossilize.
The the cell created a whole new language and reprogammed itself in to everything alive. We don't know how or have any evidence but we know there is no God so it must be true.
I can't imagine how anyone could doubt the statement
atheists and skeptics and freethinkers are sticklers for facts...has been my experience when reading their material

No blind faith here! Frogs to Princes is just good science!!
Atheist good,Christian bad!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/19/07:

I am a stickler for facts and do not fit the first sentence;

BUT do agree with the second sentence------
Being accurate* is the best way to counter arguments from blind faith and fear.

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Hwood asked on 03/19/07 - Do believe a true Christmas story?

A True Story

A call came in for a prayer request. The lady, we’ll call her name Betty, said that there was a family in urgent need. The Father had been laid off from work just days before Christmas.

He would not be getting his unemployment payments for another two weeks. They had no money and the last food in the house was a few vegetables, which the Mother put together and made a pot of soup. That was the last food in the house.

There is the Father, the Mother, and eleven children. This lady and her friend went together and bought enough food for at least two weeks, by shopping at discount places.

The girls, from the family of these two friends, always bought each other presents for Christmas. But this year they changed their plans.

The girls divided up the eleven children, one would take three, another four, and another would take two or three, until they got them all divided.

Then they took all eleven Christmas shopping, using the money which they would have spent on each other. I know some people who will have the best Christmas they ever had.

The family who was in need, for they will have enough to eat, the children will have presents, but most of all, they will always remember that, no matter how bad things get, there is someone out there somewhere who really cares.

The two friends and the girls will, because they will always remember the precious looks on the faces of eleven little children.

Excuse me! Did I hear someone say, “Let’s take Christ out of Christmas and put in an X instead?” Things, like this, just would not happen, if we did that.
We love you Lord Jesus.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/19/07:

cute nice story
BUT nowadays kids don't appreciate it.
If they don't get the latest of all the contraptions they are disappointed; if they do get ALL the latest contraptions they are STILL disappointed. (That includes many of the poorer of kids)

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domino asked on 03/19/07 - Quandry!!!

If Hank leaves as Tyrah, and returns as Hank1 on the same day, can I still collect my $40 bet that he can't stay away for more than a week???? Or does his sexual transformation actually count as an 'official' departure??????

tropicalstorm answered on 03/19/07:

Afraid you don't get to collect for the same reason that the jj triangle is with us in trinity so is the HankTy duo.
Sorry, take it out of what you owe me whenever you come into the BIG bucks on your bets here.

Like Perk says Leslie needs patched so he needs the 40 more.

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Tyrah asked on 03/19/07 - Goodbye!



I feel very sorry for those who wrote negative comments about Hank. If you knew him personally like I do, you'd have a lifelong friend who would always be at your beckon call. Truthfully, I have never come across people like some of you. Goodbye!

Tyrah

tropicalstorm answered on 03/19/07:


means hi and bye
or bye and hi
so my
greeting for Hank
he is addicted
he will be back


he has to come back to pick up
your wedding gifts

air compressor
wedding gown and suit (in polyester)
wedding cake
sleeping bags
an igloo
with out house
and one square inch of land anywhere in the USA

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peddler7118 asked on 03/18/07 - Exhibit considers Nazi quest for master race”

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/16856337.htm

A new exhibit at the Andy Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, examines eugenics in mid-century Germany and other countries, including Norway, Spain, Brazil, Japan, and the U.S. Titled “Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race,” the exhibit uses hundreds of photographs, video segments, and artifacts to spotlight the topic.

What does this have to do with creation and evolution? The article points out that the exhibit will “trace eugenics’ development as a perversion of Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution to its Nazi justification for genocide.” The article also points out that Darwin’s cousin Francis Galton coined the term “eugenics.” So, what is the (incomplete) story of such Darwinian eugenics as applied in Nazi Germany?

Beginning in 1939, the Nazis began euthanizing infants and children with physical and mental defects. More than 5,000 were killed between 1939 and 1945 through overdose, starvation and gassing. Between 1940 and 1941, some 70,000 institutionalized adults, largely non-Jewish Germans, were killed.
Sadly, and although most modern evolutionists distance themselves from such ideas, eugenics and “social Darwinism” are direct logical corollaries of naturalistic Darwinism.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/19/07:

Thanks for warning me NOT to take a walk across the Racheal Carson Bridge. There are only four places left on the North Side worth anything
The Light of Life Mission, PNC Park, Heinz Field and The Carnegie Science Center (I love their Lazer show)

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TTFNUAS asked on 03/19/07 - My INTRODUCTORY opinion of Tyrah's message

.........May each day in the year be a good day for all of you. Become aware of your emotions and express them, allowing them to help you heal. It is OK to question your faith and feel all sorts of things about life. This can be a time for personal growth if you choose for it to be. This is my INTRODUCTORY post for all those who wish it. Good to be with you!.......


Strange message full of platitudes and clichés ……if you ask me … so I did a bit of research and here is what I found:


1 may each day in the year be a good day = lyrics to a song:

may each day in the year be a good day…..etc http://home.att.net/~sysquash/others/lyrics/c/mayeachday.html


2 Become aware of your emotions and express them = part of a health wellness program

Become aware of your emotions and express them http://www.asu.edu/wellness/stressmanagement/info.html
Hanks obsession with wellness programs is legendary!!

3 It is OK to question your faith = could come from any of the myriad religious sites on the net …but is this what Hanks gal would say …this would contradict his religious prattle about the bible and Christianity, soooooooooooo ….

4 This can be a time for personal growth = Hank has an obsessive concern for personal growth …any way he can get it …lying, playing games, demanding respect, etc etc etc. so this phrase is constantly repeated by Hankus.

5 This is my INTRODUCTORY post = evidence of a bit of self delusional prattle – a person who has just arrived at a forum usually says he am new, or something similar to this,, but this smacks [to me] of those grandiose self delusional aggrandizement habits which afflict Hank.

6 Good to be with you = IF I were Leslie and read all the comments written I would NOT come aboard with this mealy mouthed clichéd message; my message would be somewhat stronger.

I may be wrong in this, but this is what I feel, and those who know me know that I say what I feel ….and let the chit fall where it may.

;-)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/19/07:

I know.
I know
Hank is marrying his shrink!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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paraclete asked on 03/18/07 - Here's another reason why you don't trust Muslims?


Taxation office to probe Muslim cleric on Saudi cash

By Richard Kerbaj

March 19, 2007 01:00am
Article from: The Australian

A SENIOR Muslim cleric working for the tax office in Canberra is being investigated over accusations he failed to pay income tax on thousands of dollars he allegedly received from the Saudi embassy.

An ACT Islamic organisation has also accused the Palestinian-born imam Mohammad Swaiti of being "radical", anti-Western in his religious teachings, and failing to declare payments he received from officiating at wedding ceremonies.

Documents obtained by The Australian reveal an Australian Tax Office investigation into Sheik Swaiti over allegations by senior Muslim community leaders that he failed to declare his clerical allowances of up to $US30,000 ($37,700) a year, which were paid to him by the Saudi Government.

The tax office sent Islamic Society of ACT president Sabrija Poskovic a letter in reply to written allegations made by him and his community regarding Sheik Swaiti.

"I refer to your letter relating to the imam of your mosque, Mohammad Swaiti, who also happens to be a tax office employee," the ATO's letter to Mr Poskovic says.

"I have passed your concerns to the relevant area of the tax office and I expect to be able to respond to you by 6 February 2007."

Documents provided to the tax office, which accuse Sheik Swaiti of being "very fanatic and radical person in his Islamic views", follow factional divisions within Canberra's Muslim community over issues including Canberra's only mosque.

The claims come after The Australian last week revealed that hardline Islamic clerics were encouraging their followers not to pay income tax because they considered it contrary to sharia law.

Sheik Swaiti refused to answer The Australian's questions regarding the ATO investigation and accusations levelled at him by sections of his community, saying God would deal with them.

"God is watching but let them do what they want," he said in Arabic. "Even if they accuse me of murder, I will not comment. You should not take any rubbish from anyone."

Mr Poskovic - whose organisation runs Canberra's Abu Bakr Mosque at which Sheik Swaiti is employed part-time - said the tax office refused to give him any details of the investigation, saying it was restricted by privacy issues.

"I ring them and they said to me we put (the investigation) in a proper hand and channel but we can't give any information on what we're doing," he said.

A tax office spokeswoman would not comment on the matter.

Mr Poskovic accused the Saudi Embassy of bankrolling the annual salaries of up to 20 imams around Australia, including Sheik Swaiti, through its Islamic donations (Daawa) office.

A letter understood to be sent on behalf of Mr Poskovic claims the Saudis pay the imams "mukafa", which is regarded a "reward compensation payment". It also alleges that Sheik Swaiti had been on the Saudi payroll for 12 years.

The Australian could not contact the Saudi embassy, which has previously declined to provide details on whether Islamic religious organisations receive funding from the Saudi Government. On January 9, the embassy expressed shock over Foreign Minister Alexander Downer's concerns about the funding of Adelaide's mosque.

Mr Poskovic said the Saudi Embassy was dividing the community by paying some imams to propagate the hardline Wahabbi ideology, a claim he has put to the Department of Foreign Affairs. In a letter to DFAT dated March 6, Mr Poskovic warns that community tensions "will escalate to physical violence in the near future" if the Saudi embassy does not stop its "interference" in community affairs.

Mr Poskovic said while his organisation ran Canberra's only mosque, it was powerless to have Sheik Swaiti thrown out because of his strong community support.
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So now it appears that not paying taxes is part of a good muslim's jihad. Is it any wonder many muslim nations are among the most impoverished in the world.
there is one bright spot on the horizon, it seems that when muslims fall out they dob each other in to the tax office. I expect an increase in tax office staff to cope with the increased investigation load

tropicalstorm answered on 03/18/07:

With all the Americans caught embezzling money I suppose you should hate Americans too

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paraclete asked on 03/18/07 - A real question?

suggested by Fred's answer to which is the greater sin?

Fred suggested in a comment that Jesus would not enforce the biblical standard of punishment for adultery or homosexuality.

Is this the understanding of Christians, that Jesus would not enforce his own Law. You cannot believe that Jesus is God and yet believe that God is divided against himself.

Jesus fulfilled the Law, he paid the price for sin. This means that Jesus alone sits in the seat of judgement. It is not that he will not enforce the Law, it is that he alone has the right of judgement.

Is the penality for sin, unrepented sin, still death, of course it is.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/18/07:

arcura The bible says that gays should be killed and that those who commit adultery should be stoned.
How many times have you followed those instructions?
How many here believe that Jesus would insist on those instruction should be carried out?

Fred is saying, Are you saying YOU would kill gays or stone adulterers? Judgment is not up to us but to God and judgment day. What don't you understand about what Fred said?????

He was saying
Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not]. Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

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CeeBee2 asked on 03/18/07 -
Favorites. What is your favorite (and why for each)

1. chapter in the Bible?
2. verse in the Bible?
3. word in the Bible?
4. story in the Bible?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/18/07:

Romans 6 through 8

1 Kings 19:11-12
11And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before Jehovah. And behold, Jehovah passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and broke in pieces the rocks before Jehovah: Jehovah was not in the wind. And after the wind, an earthquake: Jehovah was not in the earthquake. 12And after the earthquake, a fire: Jehovah was not in the fire. And after the fire, a soft gentle voice.

13And it came to pass, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice [came] to him and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?

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Pete. asked on 03/18/07 - What surveys??

What surveys are you talking about Jackie??

I would answer your post but you have blocked my access.

Pete

tropicalstorm answered on 03/18/07:

Probably surveys done on http://www.beliefnet.com

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Pericles asked on 03/18/07 - maybe (2) ...............................................

Reference : topic "maybe" by tropicalstorm dated 03/18/07

Ts posted :

"may be a person would feel like posting more Christian stuff"

Than do that. Just keep in mind that "Christian stuff" is based on a religion, and not on historical and/or factually supported evidence.

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"BUT it is T00 predictable what the replies are"

What does that matter? The board is a QUESTION and ANSWER Board, and answers you will get. Just disregard those answers you disagree with. Or do you want everyone to "agree" with you?

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"You have ones saying that is your opinion, subjective not object, myth and so forth"

See my previous comment line here.

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"Then Peddler arguing with you saying you are ..."

See my previous comment line here.

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"... I am following my own religion and thickheaded arguments ..."

Do you want replies to your questions or not?
Or do you want replies that agree with you?

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Any comments?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/18/07:

I wasn't saying anything about disagreeing or agreeing. I was saying that many replies are
predictable in that they are the same bickering back and forth. And I do not see where I am disagreeing with what Peddler said or where Peddler is saying I am wrong other than he is saying I am wrong other than that I do not see what he is saying I am wrong about. simple as that.

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hOPE12 asked on 03/18/07 - Did you miss me?

Helllo Everyone,

I have had so issues to deal with and have been away from the board. How has everyone been?

I was very surprised to read some of the comments on the board. I do know that Hank had lost his wife Carol and that I believe that he truly did. My respect for others does not allow me to call them a liar, especially about such a personal matter as the death of a loved one and a mate at that.

Domino I have always thought of you as a dignified individual and one who has love for others. Is it possible that Domino is not really domino, just as other who claim to be someone else and they are not:???

Anyway I was on the board when Carol died and I am sorry domino, I believe Hank. No one can have said some of the thingss he did unless it was a fact.

Good to be back, take care,
Hope12

tropicalstorm answered on 03/18/07:

I believe Hank about Carol too BUT when you post pictures of people that had to be thirty in the 1970's and say you are thirty five years old it yet he would have to be old enough to be my dad if the pictures are real.
It does tend to make what he says unbelievable and like Dom says why did he post high school pictures and not pictures of their wedding or them together on vacation or something. Then it seems he opened and closed the site with the pictures with the sole purpose of having a page to *display* his and her pictures here because the site was non existent within a couple days because I did a site there too and was going to add him to the friends list and it was gone.

I believe about Carol but 2+1+1+1 thrown in with a bunch of golf buddies just ain't adding up.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/18/07 - Apology to Perk



I was wrong to ask the question about your wife the way I did. It was unfair to her as well.

A fair question would be if she decided to paint herself like the whores in the picture you posted {not that she would} would you want her painted body displayed for the entire world to see? What about your daughter? Your nieces? Granddaughters?

You say public nudity is not a problem for Christians. Did you ask your Roman Catholic wife that question? I think not. Do you want her nude in public? The other females in your life?

If a man truly loves his wife her nudity is for him only and vise versa. He does not want his daughters displayed like pieces of meat at auction. Do you want menn lusting after her? The first death in the Bible was when god killed animals to clothe Adam and Eve. If it was not for sin clothes would not be needed. The human body is not dirty but the human mind most certainly is.


Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savor; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

What do you add to this board? The shock jock test? Why don’t you read the Bible? It tells us to wear clothes but evolutionary ideas have caused people to disregard the first 11 chapters where that is taught. Making statements like nudity is not a problem for Christians is either out of ignorance of the Bible out a out of hate for them.

Hath God Said? You remind me of someone.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/18/07:

Maybe his wife paints herself up for him in privacy.....who knows.

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MaggieB asked on 03/17/07 - Hank it only took me one minute to find this post: Hope it doesn't bother you.


Category: Society & Culture/Christianity
THANK YOU, EXPERTS!
HANK1 10/14/03

Thanks to God and prayers, Carol's cancer is now in remission ... according to two Oncologists! Thus, I have a message for all of you:

In theology, excellence and perfection lies "above and beyond the universe," the home of God. But perhaps some of this excellence and perfection has penetrated the hearts of my friends at Answerway. God embraces truth and love. Freedom of religion speaks to be heard and dealt with by all who breathe what's necessary to live and progress accordingly. Your prayers and thoughtfulness have helped give Carol a second chance to enjoy life!

I yearn for tranquility at home and away with my dear wife and may serendipity assess my ability as a golfer on a par three -- I've never had a hole-in-one! Other than those two informalities, my wants are sequential because of familiarity. My standard of living does not include anything fanciful nor visionary. My loving cup contains milk and tea ... they give me the energy to fill my satisfactions. But what about you?

Your desires are my desires that offer me just one reservation -- OPINION! But, who am I to judge your convictions, beliefs and sentiments? These mind-sets may also offer me reasoning while considering knowledge, fact, misgivings and skepticism. You're the ones who are important to me! I want you cheerful, contented, pleased and glad you're living! Let the miserable, the gloomy, the sorrowful harass the harbingers of the ill-natured, the disagreeable, the unpleasant. They are no longer a force of one, thanks to your plausible personalities. You are now unique -- time, place and action defy the agility of what is commonplace, ordinary and typical. Our playground is Society and our necessity pleads for the temperament of benevolence!

If you know thyself, know what's around you and know what's about you. The skillful use of your mind will allow analogies to surface. Then ingenious associations with people and problems become effortless and sometimes surprising. As a result, you've taught yourself to cope with what's needed to gain success and enjoy life while pushing ahead.

YOU HAVE MASTERED THIS INTELLIGENCE!

From Carol and I, your beauty has dignified our need for gratification, pleasurability and excellence. You ARE perfection and we're very grateful!

"That best portion of a good person's life, the little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love." -- William Wordsworth

HANK & CAROL

Answered By Answered On
MaggieB 10/16/03
Hi Hank and Carol,
Great is Thy faithfulness, oh God my Father!! Amen, He said He would never leave us nor forsake us.

My husband and I are living testimonies of prayer and God gave us a ministry to carry forth to others as he has given to you also.

May God's richest blessings be yours,
MaggieB

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HANK1 Thanks, MaggieB. We sure have a great bunch here at Answerway!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

I remember Hank saying Carol had died when we were still on Askme.com what year was that?

Hank would be better keeping his life to himself than telling so many different stories.
I think he said he is 35 years old around the same time he posted those pics from Perry Mason era, which would make him old enough to be my dad. I believe there is/was a Carol and all but
yeesh.

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Pericles asked on 03/17/07 - Massive protests mark Iraq war’s 4th anniversary


After four years of unjustified U.S. military occupation of Iraq killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, innumerable people all over the world plan to hold massive anti-war protests, condemning the brutal invasion and calling for its end.

Thousands of people across the U.S. will march to the Pentagon in Washington DC to demand the U.S. end the occupation of Iraq.

Yesterday, thousands of Christians prayed for peace at an anti-war service at the Washington National Cathedral, beginning a series of worldwide demonstrations taking place this weekend and expected to pile the pressure on President Bush, whose policies have been a source of mounting international criticism, as well as the Democrats, who’re facing public scrutiny over their failure to advance with plans aimed at ending the war.

Demonstrations, organised by Christian Peace Witness for Iraq, marched yesterday, despite snow and strong winds, toward the White House, where the police reportedly arrested a number of demonstrators.

The police began at 11:30 p.m. last night, handcuffing about 100 protesters who had assembled on the White House sidewalk to take part in the gathering.

"We gave them three warnings, and they broke the guidelines," said Lt. Scott Fear. "There's an area on the White House sidewalk where you have to keep moving."

"Quite literally on the night that shock and awe commenced, my friend and I toasted the military might of the United States," John Pattison, 29, one of the participants, was quoted by the Associated Press as saying.

"We were quite proud and thought we were doing the right thing."

"A lot of the rhetoric that we hear coming from Christians has been dominated by the religious right and has been strong advocacy for the war," Pattison said.

"That's just not the way I read my Gospel."

The ecumenical group that organized the event has distributed 3,200 tickets for the service in the cathedral, and two smaller churches took part in the event to cover the massive number of participants.

• “This war is morally wrong”

"This war, from a Christian point of view, is morally wrong — and was from the beginning," the Rev. Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners/Call to Renewal, one of the event's sponsors, said toward the end of the service to cheers and applause. "This war is ... an offense against God."

Addressing the attendants, Rev. Raphael G. Warnock, senior pastor at Atlanta's Ebenezer Baptist Church, attacked the Congress, accusing it of being "too morally inept to intervene" to stop the war.

It's been 40 years since a massive demonstrations took place near the Pentagon in Washington. They were organised in protest against Vietnam War.

But rights groups expect a similar scene this weekend which will mark the 4th anniversary of the war on Iraq.

Brian Becker, national coordinator of the ANSWER Coalition, participating in Saturday’s protests in the U.S., says that the march on the Pentagon that was organised in 1967 “was an unprecedented action,”

“It was a signal that the people of the United States had shifted.”

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Link to much more extended supporting article

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Besides local protests in various American cities there are/were similar protest marches this weekend :

• in Melbourne
• in Greece
• in Italy
• in Spain
• in France
• in Germany
• in Sweden


Any comments?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

From what I have heard it is most likely mostly old vets that have formed biker groups Rolling Thunder, Gathering of Eagles and Patriot Riders made up the predominate group. They went there, as Peddler posted a couple weeks ago, partly to protect the wall from the liberals. I don't think they came out with an estimate of how many were in each group yet.


counter protest
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Pericles asked on 03/17/07 - For Tropical Storm ......................................


OK Linda

Because you are Irish

and

Because it's St. Patricks day !





I do anything to please you ..... :)


Any comments, or anyone else who wants to join in?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

YEAH I ALWAYS CALLED IT THE BLUE WALL
MARIO NEVER MINDED
I WISH HE WOULD PUT UP HIS PINK ELEPHANT ONE

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domino asked on 03/17/07 - A proposition???

Hank, why do you wish I lived next door to you, are you asking for a date??? Sorry, Bozo, I dont swing that way. But 'envision' might...Why not ask him to move in. :) :) :)

How come your first two wives dumped you, Hank!!! No tact in the sack????? Couldn't rise to the occasion??? Or did they find your NAZI paraphenalia in the attic :) :) :)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

Two wives? I thought Carol was his high school sweetie. I guess I just assumed that the way he talks about how much he loved her and so forth

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HANK1 asked on 03/17/07 - DOMINO:



You're a real Bastard. "Wonder how long we have to wait to find out that Hank's "Leslie" is dying from a brain tumor???" Damn, I wish you lived nextdoor!

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

a non-event your Leslie is not going to die from cancer (I have what you call ESP too)
and as I said I have the cancer answer so just call me if needed.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/17/07 - Dommy, I say your education is a myth.

Dommy I am calling your bluff.
I have answered your questions on origins many times.
You keep telling me I believe in myths so you tell me why and how the universe came into existence and what is the origin of plants animals and people?
Were they created or did they evolve from a common ancestor?
If they evolved then what from and by what process?

Domy if you refuse to answer then I conclude you have to convince yourself you are not a believer in fairy tales by pointing fingers at me.
I already know you can't and you won't even try but you will jump up and down like an idiot trying to squirm out of a straight answer and I need a laugh today.


tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

So you're saying if Dom doesn't answer you have to conclude that Dom has to convince himself he is not a believer in fairy tales?
Therefore, that would mean if he does answer he does not have to convince himself he is a believer in fairy tales.
Okay, just wanted to make that perfectly clear to myself.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/17/07 - Dommy, I say your education is a myth.

Dommy I am calling your bluff.
I have answered your questions on origins many times.
You keep telling me I believe in myths so you tell me why and how the universe came into existence and what is the origin of plants animals and people?
Were they created or did they evolve from a common ancestor?
If they evolved then what from and by what process?

Domy if you refuse to answer then I conclude you have to convince yourself you are not a believer in fairy tales by pointing fingers at me.
I already know you can't and you won't even try but you will jump up and down like an idiot trying to squirm out of a straight answer and I need a laugh today.


tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

So you're saying if Dom doesn't answer you have to conclude that Dom has to convince himself he is not a believer in fairy tales?
Therefore, that would mean if he does answer he does not have to convince himself he is a believer in fairy tales.
Okay, just wanted to make that perfectly clear to myself.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/17/07 - Perk,Is your wife a whore?

It seems a reasonable assumption since those are obviously the kind of women you prefer.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

Maybe the opposite is true and the grass is greener in his dreams LOL
Ever think outside of the box?

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peddler7118 asked on 03/17/07 - Poll

Domino says he has been to Africa 35 times to minister to aids victims. He claims to have worked with the Protestants and the Catholics.

Unlike you, you hypocrite I have BEEN to Africa 35 times...I have visited both Catholic and Protestant missions.. spent one season working with Sister Emmanuele in Cairo and contributed to setting up new homes and workshops for women and girls, both Coptic and Muslim....so don't give me that bullshit about you supporting the missions

Assuming they were very short trips of 15 days that is 525 days of his life in Africa. {not to mention a whole season in Cairo setting up homes-whatever that means} No charitable organization would have paid for such short trips for a volunteer so we must assume he paid for these trips out of his own pocket.
Assuming a ridiculously low cost of $2500.00 per trip that is $87,500 dollars he paid to help those people. {not to mention a whole season in Cairo setting up homes-whatever that means}

Or he spent an average of 2 or three months per trip there at the expense of a charity that recruits God hating anti-Christians to represent the gospel to the unsaved which means he spent at least 2100 days in Africa working as a God -hating anti-Christian with various religious charities that accepts such volunteers. {not to mention a whole season in Cairo setting up homes-whatever that means}

My question is how many of you actually believe this story?

My personal opinion is that the farmer has hauled another load away.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/17/07:

When we were on askme.com D0M would tell us when he was leaving for Cairo, The West Bank etc, etc.
What is 525 days out of a life time????????
Less than two years.
My boss takes five vacations a year (about 20 days out of a year). Another friend of mine has been all over about half of the world.
Remember he has also said he has more money than I can ever imagine.
So you find it hard to believe he would want to bother with this site if he is so rich and has a life or what?

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Pericles asked on 03/16/07 - Good idea for Hank, perhaps ???


21st century homesteading: Free land in Alaska


• Community of 300 offering 26 1.3-acre lots for free

• Lots go to first people to apply and pay $500 deposit beginning 9 a.m. Monday

• Winners must build 1,000-square-foot house within two years

Anderson, a little town in Alaska's interior, has no gas station, no grocery store and no traffic lights, but it does have plenty of woodsy land -- and it's free to anyone willing to put down roots in the often-frozen ground.

In a modern twist on the homesteading movement that populated the Plains in the 1800s, the community of 300 people is offering 26 large lots on spruce-covered land in a part of Alaska that has spectacular views of the Northern lights and Mount McKinley, North America's highest peak.

And what's an occasional day of 60-below cold in a town removed from big-city ills?

"Are you tired of the hustle and bustle of the Lower 48, crime, poor schools, and the high cost of living?" the Web site asks. "Make your new home in the Last Frontier!"

Lots of space to play golf.
Nice location, far away from all those "nasty atheists" !!!

Give it a try, Hank. As a wedding present for Leslie !!!

Link to supporting and much more extended article


Any comments ?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/16/07:

Kansas is giving away free land to

and here is the best yet

ownapieceofamerica )

You can even own a piece too Perk

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HANK1 asked on 03/16/07 - IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, SO BE IT:



Alfred Adler, a psychologist, broke from the traditional Freudian view that personality development stops in childhood. As some of you know, I have always contended that genetics and environment shape personalities. Anyway, the social factors that influence us throughout life and the ability to control our own destinies are two of the infuences that change us into adults. Research PSYCHOSOCIAL. The reason for playing my two games was to identify the essential concerns of adulthood, such as identity, competence, love and perhaps nurturance. I have the ability to enjoy life and accept death. If development does not occur predictably in adulthood, why and how does it occur at all? Competence iss not mastered once and for all. People learn new skills and give up old ones throughout their lives. With some, competence rises and falls. I leave you with that thought!

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 03/16/07:

so if we were competent to follow your (game)
we passed the game to adulthood?
Still don't see what you THINK you achieved!

Do you want buttercream, cream cheese or whipped icing?

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MarySusan asked on 03/15/07 - Well, this is very interesting!

Hank's response to Maggie's comment to his post about ending his "psychological games"(whatever that meant). I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

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"Thanks, Maggie. CeeBee and Bradd knew what I was doing".
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Apparently, CeeBee and Bradd condoned Hank making a complete ass of himself to some unknown purpose I am yet to comprehend.

Maybe those two enjoyed Hank looking like a Nazi Eugenic a-hole, or perhaps, a man jealous of the intelligence of better men, or perhaps a rigid German American dufuss, or perhaps a shallow nincompoop!

With "friends" like those CeeBee and Bradd, who needs enemies????


Mary Sue


Even as of this date, I don't know if "Leslie" really exists!!! Hank was on the Philosophy Board four weeks ago making a post from him and his deceased wife Carol...today, he's getting remarried in a couple of weeks and maybe moving to Arizona. Is there a real person called Leslie??






All Hank has looked like is more and more of a

tropicalstorm answered on 03/16/07:

Yeah when he posted about Leslie out of nowhere it seemed to me like a part of his game that he said he was playing. Remember he had mentioned his game before he "quit" the board over a month ago and right before that he posted those pictures of him and Carol and no mention of a Leslie. You think he would have mentioned Leslie unless it was love at first sight and he only met her about a month ago LOL.
His game makes no sense and don't see how it had any objective except to make him look like he is losing his mind.

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domino asked on 03/16/07 - A GAME??????

Hank: you posted, in a response to Maggie, after your little game #2...."Cee Bee and Bradd knew what I was doing"!!!!

Are you trying to suggest to the board that CEE BEE AND BRAD were in collusion with you to try and play a game with the rest of the board members????????

Or is there a another reason for them KNOWING and not saying anything to the rest of the board????

Or is just part of your psychosis?????

You have placed CEE BEE and BRADD in an awkward position....and it is up to you to clear the air!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/16/07:

His little game made absolutely no sense and
how can a game be a game if you are the only one playing. Then the only rule of the game seemed to be to make absolutely N0 sense whatsoever.

Like what does it mean or prove or even be a game when you talk delusional saying stuff that doesn't even make sense in a sentence (even contradicting himself)?

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peddler7118 asked on 03/15/07 - The New Age Christian Manifesto

Tenant #1
We believe the Bible is the infallible word of God whenever it is politically correct and does not conflict with Philosophical Materialism.

Tenant # 2 All them gods are just about the same.

Tenant #3 Sin is too harsh a word so we know call it alternative lifestyle choices.

Tenant #4 The people who wrote the Bible were ignorant sheepherders and did not know about the Big Bang and millions of years.

Tenant #5 We need to be really nice to the atheists so they will let us believe in a god.

Tenant #6 Christians must never claim to understand science and must realize that science is reality and religion is just a way to be nice.

Tenant # 7 There is a natural explanation for miracles. For instance when Jesus fed the 5 thousand He really just talked the kid into sharing his lunch and made the grownups feel bad for being greedy with theirs.

Tenant #8 People don’t have original sin just bad genes.

Tenant #9 Jesus was just kidding about hell and the big flood to scare the stupid sheepherders.

Tenant # 10 Never tell people they have to believe that Jesus died for them to go to heaven. Everybody gets to go.







tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

Sounds Like once again you need to find a new church.

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HANK1 asked on 03/15/07 - GAME #2 - OVER:



My very good friend, Dark Crow, nailed it when he told me I have been out of character the last few days. I was BUT on purpose. I talked in opposites. Almost every clarification mentioned something negative about my alter ego. Why did I say what I did? Interpret this, penned by Herbert Spencer:

"The poverty of the incapable, the distresses that come upon the imprudent, the starvation of the idle, and those shoulderings aside of the weak by the strong, which leave so many "in shallows and in miseries," are the decrees of a large, farseeing benevolence."

Now think back re: what you said in your writings these past few days. The above sums it up ... in my opinion. I have found that a few of you have feelings that are permanent and quite primary. To me, the world lies before me like a land of dreams. To you, your thoughts compliment chaos and represent what I don't as a Christian. This, of course, applies to all the atheists on this Board. Your 'best poetry' has been found to have a power of forming, sustaining and somewhat delighting me, AS NOTHING CAN. Why? Because I'm not one of you ... and I thank God for that.

From here on out, the real Hank will 'stand up.' Leslie and I are getting married the 27th. I'll start hitting shag balls this weekend (practice golf) and enjoy every minute of every day. Leslie and I might move to Scottsdale, AZ, once we get hitched. She's been there and I've worked there twice. I mention my plans because this isn't the "OTHER' Hank talking. My personal life couldn't be better ... as if you gave a darn.

HANK


tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

Like I told Joy

Clarification/Follow-up by tropicalstorm on 03/15/07 2:03 pm:
Joy I think Hank knows we miss him when he is gone and he is a good sport!

We'll be neighbors because I want to move to Scottsdale, Glendale or Sedona Arizona in September

You are better to let the real Hank stand up because like they say if you don't stand up for yourself who will? (Or something to that effect)

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belle33 asked on 03/15/07 - WE all seem

to be more interested in MarySues laundry quandry than anything else posted. Why don't we just start talking about personal stuff, tell me all about yourselves. DOMI, you first please. There were more responses to her quandry than any other post.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

LOL I WISH SOMEONE COULD SOLVE MY PROBLEMS.
(wanna come do my laundry while I deal with my problems)

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peddler7118 asked on 03/15/07 - Is There a Gene That Makes you Believe there is a Gay Gene?

Christians should read their Bibles and heed the warnings.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

This whole debate is based on the assumption of philosophical materialsm /atheism.

The same people who proclaim that sodomite behaviour is caused by a gene that evolved {none of these people claims God even exists} also claim there is a God gene that makes you believe in God.

God gave you a sound mind, use it. If this is true then maybe there is a gene that only makes you believe that there is a gene that makes you believe there is a God. Maybe there is a gene that only makes you believe that there is a gene that makes you a queer
This is not rocket science people , it is not science at all. It is an attempt to explain away the creator and His laws.

Blaming God for sin will not help you at all come judgement day.

You don't have to check your brain at the door when you go to church.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

What do you do with these verses?

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

The Bible says he KNEW us before we were even conceived, He knew what we would choose in life, He knows and is the Alpha and the Omega

Read all the pages on this site and you might get a better idea what I am saying


about free will
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Itsdb asked on 03/15/07 - Article on unborn gay babies sparks opposition

OK folks, now be nice...

The president of the leading Southern Baptist seminary has incurred sharp attacks from both the left and right by suggesting that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven, and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

The Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., one of the country's pre-eminent evangelical leaders, acknowledged that he irked many fellow conservatives with an article earlier this month saying scientific research "points to some level of biological causation" for homosexuality.

Proof of a biological basis would challenge the belief of many conservative Christians that homosexuality - which they view as sinful - is a matter of choice that can be overcome through prayer and counseling.

However, Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., was assailed even more harshly by gay-rights supporters. They were upset by his assertion that homosexuality would remain a sin even if it were biologically based, and by his support for possible medical treatment that could switch an unborn gay baby's sexual orientation to heterosexual.

Biological proof

"He's willing to play God," said Harry Knox, a spokesman on religious issues for the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay-rights group. "He's more than willing to let homophobia take over and be the determinant of how he responds to this issue, in spite of everything else he believes about not tinkering with the unborn."

Mohler said he was aware of the invective being directed at him on gay-rights blogs, where some participants have likened him to Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor notorious for death-camp experimentation.

"I wonder if people actually read what I wrote," Mohler said in a telephone interview. "But I wrote the article intending to start a conversation, and I think I've been successful at that."

The article, published March 2 on Mohler's personal Web site, carried a long but intriguing title: "Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?"

Mohler began by summarizing some recent research into sexual orientation, and advising his Christian readership that they should brace for the possibility that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven.

Mohler wrote that such proof would not alter the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality, but said the discovery would be "of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations."

He also referred to a recent article in the pop-culture magazine Radar, which explored the possibility that sexual orientation could be detected in unborn babies and raised the question of whether parents - even liberals who support gay rights - might be open to trying future prenatal techniques that would reverse homosexuality.

Reversing the genes

Mohler said he would strongly oppose any move to encourage abortion or genetic manipulation of fetuses on grounds of sexual orientation, but he would endorse prenatal hormonal treatment - if such a technology were developed - to reverse homosexuality. He said this would be no different, in moral terms, from using technology that would restore vision to a blind fetus.

Mohler's argument was endorsed by a prominent Roman Catholic thinker, the Rev. Joseph Fessio, provost of Ave Maria University in Naples, Fla., and editor of Ignatius Press, Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. publisher.

"Same-sex activity is considered disordered," Fessio said. "If there are ways of detecting diseases or disorders of children in the womb, and a way of treating them that respected the dignity of the child and mother, it would be a wonderful advancement of science."

Such logic dismayed Jennifer Chrisler of Family Pride, a group that supports gay and lesbian families.

"What bothers me is the hypocrisy," she said. "In one breath, they say the sanctity of an unborn life is unconditional, and in the next breath, it's OK to perform medical treatments on them because of their own moral convictions, not because there's anything wrong with the child."
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Comments? That's all I'm going to say ... for now :)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

Hank your reply made absolutely no sense
if babies should be aborted if proven they would turn out gay they should be aborted but
doesn't apply if you are a Christian WHO are you referring to AND why would a Christian abort a baby that would be gay if the person were truly a christian they would be against having an abortion. I am not sure what you are saying

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Pericles asked on 03/15/07 - Beware of the witches !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Strange things are suggested to happen on Wallstreet today, 14/03/2007.

Some very light-heartedness in the eerie format of volatility is expected on the eve of 'quadruple witching' options.

This seems to be a photograph of one of the witches .....



That's not very nice ! Does not look like a witch to me at all !


Link to orignal supporting article


Any comments?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

contrary to the image of warts on noses, black cats and flying brooms witches look like any other person.


witchvox
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witches )


so only she knows for sure

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Pericles asked on 03/15/07 - Atheism and morals ......................................

People like peddler often suggest that "Atheists have no morals, as morals only can come from God".

Of course these suggestions are NEVER accompanied by any logical support, so I will address the matter of morals from both the religious and the atheist positions.

Some time ago I saw on the internet the following notes on morals of Christians :

"A religious devotee says: "If man cannot be held accountable for his actions by a higher power, then how can he have morals? Without a guideline from a supernatural power of what is right and wrong, what would prevent all of civilization from sinking into a sea of muck and sludge?"

Morals are indeed guidelines for making decisions. Presented with similar situations, a person's actions will be identical every time.
For example, say you're leaving a restaurant and you spot a ten dollar tip passing by a table.
The enticement of increased wealth without much effort sure is tempting. By simply extending your arm and inconspicuously grabbing the cash, you will be ten dollars richer. Since no one is looking, you won't get into trouble. Plus, the waiter probably wasn't expecting such a large tip anyway. Where's the harm in that?

In this case, a Christian or a Jew would point to the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not steal." According to the Christian/Jewish point-of-view, this alone will restrain a religiously devout individual from snatching the money off the table. This follows the rules of deontological ethics: Something is either always right or always wrong. For example, stealing the money off the table would be morally wrong because stealing is always wrong.

However, what if the commandment said "Thou shalt steal?" Would stealing be an absolute right then? Is all that is required is a recommendation from a centuries-old text? How about the sixth commandment: "thou shalt not kill?" Does this rule apply with self-defense? Or war?

Here is the fundamental problem with static morals: the inability to judge every action we humans make with reason and free will. Shouldn't morals stand on their own merits? Humans are fantastic beings because of their ability to examine the consequences of their actions and make appropriate choices--as opposed to wild animals that act on instinct alone.

Therefore, true morals do not come from religious commandments. Morals would exist nicely without any of these.

Stealing the cash off the table would degrade your self-worth. If you are unable to earn ten dollars on your own merit, then what good are you to yourself? You are then no better than an animal fighting for its survival in the wilderness. Taking the waiter's tip would thus prove your worthlessness.

Besides that : what if I were the waiter?

Atheists have morals because humans learn moral lessons based on observation and an understanding of human nature. The religious scriptures are not necessary. An atheist reasons and considers the consequences of his actions for all his actions. Morality is one of the features of all of humanity, so therefore morals don't just exist in the religious realm. Atheists can realize the beauty of humanity, and learn not to battle with it.

What it all comes down in the end is the Golden Rule:

DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT OTHERS DO TO YOU.

A simple and logical statement, universal in all it's applications. Without any need for a deity or deities.
And valid for every human being.


Any comments?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

Peddles has a very narrow view AND understanding of the Bible and can not interpret it for the life of him.

He insists that if a person is born with gay tendencies then God made a mistake and is therefore a liar. What does he do with the verses that God is the potter and we are the clay and who are we to say how and what he chooses to do with it. Or the verse about He KNEW you before you were concieved. Or the verse that He knows everything from the beginning to the end? With Peddlers limited verses he can not find the balance of anything.

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arcura asked on 03/14/07 - What would peddler and Toms777 advise?????

One of the doctors treating me is a Mormon.
Because of his faith I was wondering if peddler and Toms777 would advise that I change doctors.
What do you thing?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

Like I told Fred if you had a flat tire on the
highway and the tow truck driver came to help would you turn him away because he mentioned his faith or lack of it. I don't believe it should be an issue for the most part. Trust God

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Itsdb asked on 03/15/07 - Article on unborn gay babies sparks opposition

OK folks, now be nice...

The president of the leading Southern Baptist seminary has incurred sharp attacks from both the left and right by suggesting that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven, and that prenatal treatment to reverse gay orientation would be biblically justified.

The Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., one of the country's pre-eminent evangelical leaders, acknowledged that he irked many fellow conservatives with an article earlier this month saying scientific research "points to some level of biological causation" for homosexuality.

Proof of a biological basis would challenge the belief of many conservative Christians that homosexuality - which they view as sinful - is a matter of choice that can be overcome through prayer and counseling.

However, Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., was assailed even more harshly by gay-rights supporters. They were upset by his assertion that homosexuality would remain a sin even if it were biologically based, and by his support for possible medical treatment that could switch an unborn gay baby's sexual orientation to heterosexual.

Biological proof

"He's willing to play God," said Harry Knox, a spokesman on religious issues for the Human Rights Campaign, a national gay-rights group. "He's more than willing to let homophobia take over and be the determinant of how he responds to this issue, in spite of everything else he believes about not tinkering with the unborn."

Mohler said he was aware of the invective being directed at him on gay-rights blogs, where some participants have likened him to Josef Mengele, the Nazi doctor notorious for death-camp experimentation.

"I wonder if people actually read what I wrote," Mohler said in a telephone interview. "But I wrote the article intending to start a conversation, and I think I've been successful at that."

The article, published March 2 on Mohler's personal Web site, carried a long but intriguing title: "Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?"

Mohler began by summarizing some recent research into sexual orientation, and advising his Christian readership that they should brace for the possibility that a biological basis for homosexuality may be proven.

Mohler wrote that such proof would not alter the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality, but said the discovery would be "of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations."

He also referred to a recent article in the pop-culture magazine Radar, which explored the possibility that sexual orientation could be detected in unborn babies and raised the question of whether parents - even liberals who support gay rights - might be open to trying future prenatal techniques that would reverse homosexuality.

Reversing the genes

Mohler said he would strongly oppose any move to encourage abortion or genetic manipulation of fetuses on grounds of sexual orientation, but he would endorse prenatal hormonal treatment - if such a technology were developed - to reverse homosexuality. He said this would be no different, in moral terms, from using technology that would restore vision to a blind fetus.

Mohler's argument was endorsed by a prominent Roman Catholic thinker, the Rev. Joseph Fessio, provost of Ave Maria University in Naples, Fla., and editor of Ignatius Press, Pope Benedict XVI's U.S. publisher.

"Same-sex activity is considered disordered," Fessio said. "If there are ways of detecting diseases or disorders of children in the womb, and a way of treating them that respected the dignity of the child and mother, it would be a wonderful advancement of science."

Such logic dismayed Jennifer Chrisler of Family Pride, a group that supports gay and lesbian families.

"What bothers me is the hypocrisy," she said. "In one breath, they say the sanctity of an unborn life is unconditional, and in the next breath, it's OK to perform medical treatments on them because of their own moral convictions, not because there's anything wrong with the child."
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tropicalstorm answered on 03/15/07:

I can hear Peddler now!

contrary to what Peddler and some others believe. I have always believed that some
are born with the gene and/or the tendencies or compulsion to lean that way. I also believe that many murders and rapists are born with their tendencies as well. Does that mean God made a mistake or is a liar like Peddler says? NO

I can't find the sites now but there are sites that have PET scans of people with criminal tendencies compared to *normal* brains. They say they can tell by the PET scans if some one is more likely to grow up to be a criminal.
If somebody can be born with criminal tendencies why can't someone be born with
gay tendencies?
They say they can tell if a Pit Bull will grow up to naturally be an attack dog by PET scans. Of course environment, society and conditioning play large factors in everything as well.

God says he *KNEW* us before we were conceived and even though it sounds like predestination I don't think it is because God knows the beginning and the end and who
we are. He says he is the potter and we are the clay and who are we to question.
People who want to say 'God can not create people to *sin* before they have a chance to choose for themselves' overlook a lot of the Bible rather than find the balance of what the verses are saying.


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domino asked on 03/14/07 - Ideology??????

Well, isn't it just like 'thick as a brick' Hank to block me from responding, and THEN, ASK me stupid questions???? Well, since you insist I go public, Spartacus.......

l. learn what a word means before you use it Hank..."ideology" is NOT used with an individual but with a group since it refers to the ideas and objectives that influence a whole group or national culture, shaping their political and social procedure. Do you think you can remember that the next time you use the word, Hankela?????

2. My methods, on this board...or any board...are quite simple.....Treat decent human beings like decent human beings...and treat assholes like assholes.

Does that answer your question, Heinrich????? I can expand on it, if you insist. :) :) :)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

Was he asking what animal you would prefer to be if you were an animal??? See my reply to choux on his question.

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Bobbye asked on 03/14/07 - SOUL SLEEPING!

TropicalStorm posted re time and eternity, which brought responses to the brink of "soul sleeping" as part and parcel of "eternity," "Paradise," "Heaven," etc.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS RE SOUL SLEEPING? Please quote Scripture where applicable. Both schools of thought are taught from pulpits.

Thanks.
Bobbye

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

I believe that once you die your spirit/soul leaves your body. Even in the paranormal and different religions this is what they believe.
I believe once you die you go into eternity but I believe that it isn't that simple of an explanation, which is what I was trying to get at but nobody understood. Basically I was getting at eternity being simutaneous with time even though eternity has NO time.

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domino asked on 03/14/07 - A public response to the monster who calls itself.....

Hank....who posts that 'babies born out of wedlock should be aborted..Period'....First of all Journalistic asshole, if they are BORN out of wedlock..would you not assume it is too late for abortion....Second: I regret with every bone in my body that your MOTHER did not believe in abortion!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

Hank
The reason I had four babies is I WAS married and believed in happily ever after. It was the early eighties when only movie stars got divorced and the real world was going for the picket fence. Then I ended up divorced and with
four kids four to eight years old that I had to manage BY MYSELF. I never even had any babysitters. My parents wouldn't even watch them for a day. Nowadays fourteen year old kids have babies and demand their parents watch their kids so they can go out and ho around and have more babies. I still do not think they should have babies. I think that something should be done to wake them up to be more careful not to get pregnant.Why do so many get
pregnant that they end up *needing* abortions?
What ever it is needs *fixed* somehow. Is it carelessness, laziness, they don't think it will happen to them, broke condoms, or what?

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domino asked on 03/14/07 - A public response to the monster who calls itself.....

Hank....who posts that 'babies born out of wedlock should be aborted..Period'....First of all Journalistic asshole, if they are BORN out of wedlock..would you not assume it is too late for abortion....Second: I regret with every bone in my body that your MOTHER did not believe in abortion!!!!

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

Dom
I was going to say pretty much what you said.
My add on is that the mothers often also feel bad because they think things like where would s/he be today and start missing what they gave up like their birthdays and so forth.

As far as Hank it is more of his narrow mindedness. My reply to him is --yeah they can feel like they hit the lottery living on a whole whopping $600. a month IF they have 3 babies. I HAD to live on less than $800. a month welfare to raise my four kids and I managed but it ain't easy. I ONLY managed because I am excellent at managing money and going without a lot of what most people HAVE to have.

I know you say it is archaic Christianity that doesn't want sex education in the schools but there needs to be SOME kind of balance to get kids to realize it isn't all fun and games. In the early 1990's some schools started having a guy and girl take turns caring for a baby doll that they had to take care of that was programmed to cry if it was neglected so they got the idea of the responsibility of a baby. I think they need to do something to get kids to realize the consequences.

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Bobbye asked on 03/14/07 - BIBLE VERSE FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY!

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE BIBLE HAS A SPECIAL
VERSE FOR EVERYONE'S BIRTHDAY? CHECK YOURS OUT NOW !!
http://www.mybirthverse.com/

This might interest some. It will not interest all. However, I enjoyed it. Beats bickering on this Board!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

Psalm 3:3 NIV
But you are a shield around me, O LORD; you bestow glory on me and lift up my head

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MarySusan asked on 03/14/07 - In a Terrible Quandry

I'm all upset by a situation that developed recently in my private life. I need some input for those interested in giving their opinion.

I have a new homemaker (for the last 2 weeks) that I really like. She does anything and does it in five minutes. I wanted to rearrange my living room furniture for the Spring/Summer months(I ordered two wedgewood blue throws for the old furn), take down my wall pictures sweep the floor.....it took her fifteen minutes AND SHE WASHED THE FLOOR with a combination of clorox and water!! Then, she washed my dishes, replaced burnt out light bulbs, went to the laundromat, and stopped at Mickey D's for me(:P). What a gal, of Polish descent, three young sons and her husband(Mexican) is in prison 15 to life. I really like her. On Law and Order, a person gets 15 to life for manslaughter or maybe drugs. Anyway...

My dear friend Doris once left with my laundry at one and came back at eight o'clock! NO lie!! Doris is not a hard worker, but we have a bond.

Doris is a little concerned. She called the homemaker company and told them the date she would be back to work for me. She asked me twice if she was coming back.

Pretty hard decision to make, eh???

Doris doesn't know that I need my laundry done three times a week now, the least, two times a week.

Now, I'm hoping that the new girl, Wendy, will quit and get a full time job within the next ten days.

What is your opinion???

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

The ideal answer would be if you could have both. Like Doris for company and help you with some things and Wendy to get the bigger chores done. Even if they had to work in shifts.
But then life ain't ideal. I would also tell Doris that as much as I appreciated her I am not too happy being left hanging --(not knowing when she is going to go out and come back)
Hope something works out for you

Did you get what I left for you in Peddle's last post????

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Rosekeeper asked on 03/14/07 - Women Preachers?

Peddler brought up something that is important, and needs to be straighten out, for this seems to bother storm, although, I may be wrong.

As a woman I am happy, that I am the "weaker vessel" my husbands babies me, and treats me as if I’m am gold, and I deeply appreciate that, but when he will ask me to Pray as for grace, as at Thanksgiving, some think it is silly (when I cover my head) although, that is what I do, and although, not a Moslem I will continue to obey that Laws that God wrote.

1co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

I can not understand why I see women preachers on television, when this "Scripture" is so plain and simple
In my opinion it is wrong for a woman to preach according to

1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


Although, all men should remember this scripture..
1co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

So, plain and simple, we are the complement of man, we are beautiful, we don't need to dress like the world, or adorn with big diamond rings, I see nothing wrong with that. Although, Peddler You are under Christ, as women under men, as Christ is under the Father...


What is your truthful answer to why women preach, when they know of these scriptures?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

Besides what Bobbye has already said. I think that you have to understand the culture and the times. Women were NOT educated and had to rely on their husband for answers to most anything.
They were to walk behind the cow that walked behind the man basically they were lower than the cattle. If we were to follow the Bible's example of a woman's rule we would not be anywhere near where we are today. I think it basically was because a woman's place was in the home and she was considered inferior and less intelligent.
I would rather hear a woman preach if she had a
a really good sermon than a male preacher rambling on with NOTHING to say and I have been to a few of those in my life time.

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domino asked on 03/14/07 - Why???
Why??

...are so many experts posting their responses as CLARIFICATIONS, instead of AS ANSWERS on the public board????? Are you afraid of having your answers rated?????

When you respond to a person like Rosekeeper who has blocked four experts, you cannot recieve reponses or clarifications from ANY of those she has blocked UNLESS you respond ON THE PUBLIC BOARD.....What you are now doing is making the board a playground for those who have blocked others. WHEN A QUESTION IS ASKED ON THE PUBLIC BOARD IT SHOULD BE ANSWERED ON THE PUBLIC BOARD.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

I think partly I kept thinking I am hitting the reply button a lot of times when I am not.
I have been cutting and pasting onto the reply
when I notice I do that. That is why my one link to Perk didn't work because I missed the
< in the cut or something.
Another reason I ended up actually getting in the habit was to cut down on JJD's multi ratings.
With Rose's I want to think of a reply more related to the verses she put before I actually reply to it.

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MaggieB asked on 03/14/07 - Why do some people not believe in the Holocaust?

WARSAW, Poland -
A 97-year-old woman credited with saving 2,500 Jewish children during the Holocaust was honored by parliament Wednesday at a ceremony during which Poland's president said she deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

Irena Sendler, who lives in a nursing home in Warsaw, was too frail to attend the special session in which members of the Senate unanimously approved a resolution honoring her and the Polish underground Council for Assisting Jews.

The group's members, mostly Roman Catholics, risked their own lives to save Jews from the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Poland.

Sendler was cited for organizing the "rescue of the most defenseless victims of the Nazi ideology — the Jewish children."

President Lech Kacyzinski said in an address to senators that Sendler is a "great hero who can be justly named for the Nobel Peace Prize."

"Every child saved with my help and the help of all the wonderful secret messengers, who today are no longer living, is the justification of my existence on this Earth, and not a title to glory," Sendler said in a letter read by Elzbieta Ficowska, who was saved by Sendler as a baby. "Over a half-century has passed since the hell of the Holocaust, but its specter still hangs over the world and doesn't allow us to forget the tragedy."

Sendler led about 20 helpers who smuggled Jewish children out of the Warsaw Ghetto to safety between 1940 and 1943, placing them in Polish families, convents or orphanages.

She wrote the children's names on slips of paper and buried them in jars in a neighbor's yard as a record that could help locate their parents after the war. The Nazis arrested her in 1943, but she refused — despite repeated torture — to reveal their names.

Anyone caught helping Jews in Nazi-occupied Poland risked being summarily shot, along with family members.

"I think she's a great lady, very courageous, and I think she's a model for the whole international community," Israeli Ambassador David Peleg said after the ceremony. "I think that her courage is a very special one."

In 1965, Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial awarded Sendler one of its first medals given to people who saved Jews, the so-called "Righteous Among the Nations."

She was given the honor in 1983, after Poland's Communist authorities finally agreed to allow her to travel abroad.

Decent comments welcome!

MaggieB

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

It boggles my mind how they can say that and try to force it as a fact. All they have to do is read history and the ones
that were tried here for the crimes within the past few years. (I believe you gave me one of the names of one of them when I asked about a month ago so I could reply to this question on Yahoo).
Survivors aren't even dead yet and they are trying to push this on people; I have no idea what their motive for it is.
Ann Frank and Courie Ten Boom must be rolling in their graves and why do we have
a holocaust museum in D.C. what do they plan on doing with that if they get their way rewriting history.
My ex mother in law was a child in the concentration camps. She is in the hospital right now. I don't know if she is going to make it.

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peddler7118 asked on 03/14/07 - One the Murders of Over 100 Million by Atheists.

More people were killed in the 20th century by those that agree with Perk that the Roman Games with the Christians being fed to Lions should return and Mary Susans belief we are just cockroaches than all the wars and plagues in all of history.

They want this for you and your children but most of you fall all over them for approval.
Why is that?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

what Roman games? Where? When?
WANT WHAT FOR OUR CHILDREN?
ARE THEY SELLING TICKETS?

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peddler7118 asked on 03/13/07 - Hebrew scholar affirms that Genesis means what it says!


Interview with Dr Ting Wang, lecturer in biblical Hebrew
by Jonathan Sarfati

Dr Ting Wang earned his M.Div. from Westminster Theological Seminary in California (Escondido) and his doctorate in Biblical Studies at the Hebrew Union College, Jewish Institute of Religion (Cincinnati, Ohio). He now lectures on biblical Hebrew at Stanford University in California,1 and is a pastor for the Youth and Children’s Ministries at Korean Central Presbyterian Church. Dr Wang is a member of the Society of Biblical Literature and the National Association of Professors of Hebrew. He has also been a college instructor in biblical and classical Greek. Dr Wang lives in Palo Alto with his wife, Becky.


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While the creation evangelism message is helping to win many people to Christ, there is strong resistance within parts of the church. While most attacks focus on the science involved, many otherwise conservative theologians claim that Genesis really doesn’t mean what it says, is not meant to be a historical record, or that it’s not really so important anyway. Since Genesis was written in Hebrew, I asked a real Hebrew scholar, Dr Ting Wang, about what the author really meant.

Original languages
Why would anyone want to study biblical Hebrew so deeply? Dr Wang gives his own testimony:

‘The Lord used the Bible to save me. I was very despondent during my second year of university, so I bought a Bible, and read it as a “last resort”?. The words were unlike any I had encountered before—Jesus, the bread of life, the one who eats this bread would never hunger; Jesus, the light of the world; “if anyone is thirsty let him come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him” [John 7:37–38].

‘This sounded so good to a parched and desperate soul, and subsequently God made it clear to me that whatever I did in life would have to revolve around the Word of truth. By His grace, I was able to study both Hebrew and Greek for years. And why did I want to? The Word is so important that I did not want to read a translation!’

Old and New Testaments
Many in the church say that the New Testament is all that matters, or act as if this were true. But Dr Wang explained why the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) is important for Christians today:

‘The Law is a schoolmaster pointing the way to Christ (Galatians 3:24). Jesus Himself said that if one does not listen to Moses and the Prophets, one will not understand the New Testament, for one will not believe even if someone rises from the dead [Luke 16:31]. Indeed, on the road to Emmaus, Jesus explained that the Old Testament essentially taught about Him [Luke 24:27].

‘Moreover, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus taught that He did not come to abolish the Law and Prophets, but to fulfill them—that until heaven and earth disappeared with a roar, nothing in the Old Testament would become obsolete [Matthew 5:17–18, cf. 2 Peter 3:10]. Jesus explicitly said, “Scripture cannot be broken”? [John 10:35].

‘God has elevated above all things His name and His Word (Psalm 138:2), and the person He esteems “trembles”? at His Word (Isaiah 66:2). And despite the fact that the heavens continuously declare the glory of God, how else but from the Old Testament would we learn details about Creation and the Fall?’

What type of book is Genesis?
A number of theologians claim that Genesis is not meant to be taken straightforwardly, that it is really poetry or allegory, or just a polemic against the surrounding paganism. But Ting said:

‘Because Scripture is living and active, relevant to past, present and future, it escapes easy categorization. Genesis is world history, particular history and theocentric anthropology [God-focused study of man]. It is prophecy, promise, wisdom, covenant—words that ‘God breathed’ (2 Timothy 3:15–17, 2 Peter 1:20–21)—“the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8). From a secular perspective, Genesis has been called a historical record of origins, which is also accurate.’

What does ‘day’ mean?
Many ‘old-earth creationists’ claim to believe that Genesis was truly history, but they want to fit in the billions of years proposed by scientists who weren’t there. So they assert that the creation days were really long periods of time. Dr Wang firmly refutes this suggestion:

‘The semantic range [list of all possible meanings] of the English word “day” is not unlike the range of the Hebrew word (yôm). No-one denies that “day” can mean a period or era in some contexts in both languages. For example, that’s what we mean if we say, “in Martin Luther’s day … .”

‘Similarly, in Proverbs 25:13 we find “as the cold of snow in the time/‘day’ of the harvest.” However, it’s totally improper to claim “day” can mean “era” in a different context. For instance, “on the last day of Luther’s life … ,” “day” clearly must mean an ordinary day—the modifier “last” and the context—Luther’s passing—render the meaning clear.

‘In Genesis 1, yôm comes with “evening” and “morning”, and is modified by a number. So it’s obvious that the Hebrew text is describing a 24-hour day—the exegetical burden of proof rests crushingly upon those who view otherwise (notice too that in Jeremiah 33:17–22, God’s covenant with the day and the night, so that both will come at the appointed time, is as unalterable as the promise that a son of David will reign). But no amount of evidence will convince those who are persuaded to play devil’s advocate—just like the serpent in Genesis 3, they must ask, “Did God really say?”’

Some have claimed that biblical Hebrew had no long-age words available. However, Dr Wang showed the falsity of this:

‘One of the most familiar passages in the Hebrew Bible is found in Ecclesiastes 3:1–11, the “God makes all things beautiful in his time” passage. In Hebrew, two words for “time” appear. The passage begins “There is a season ( zemān) for everything, and a time ( ‘ēt) for every activity under heaven: a time () to be born and a time () to die, a time () to plant and a time () to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal … ,” and so on.

‘Whereas זמן is only used in the later books Esther, Ecclesiastes, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah,

is used throughout Scripture, and would be an appropriate term to communicate an indefinite period of time, though most likely used without a number.’

The goodness of God’s creation, and what went wrong
The most common objection to Christianity is, ‘Why would a good God create a world full of suffering?’ However, this was not the way God originally created things. Ting points out:

‘“Good” (Hebrew tôv), used seven times in Genesis 1, indicates that there was no sin or death or pain. These were introduced after the opposite of good, “evil”, was unleashed through the eating of the forbidden fruit. The first death was evidently the animal(s) whose skin(s) God used to clothe the naked and shameful Adam and Eve. Prior to this God-initiated sacrifice to save people (foreshadowing greater grace and sacrifice to come), diets were vegetarian (Genesis 1:29–30).

‘Moreover, the Fall affected all of creation, which is in “bondage to decay” (Romans 8:21), groaning under its effects, longing for redemption. The curses listed in Genesis 3, though succinct, describe the universality of the Fall—enmity within creation for generations to come, pain, male-female relationship problems, a cursed ground, painstaking work, death. “Good” in Eden meant what it will mean in Heaven, much as salvation history comes full circle—no tears, no pain, no death, the Tree of Life, river(s), the presence of Emmanuel (and no need for the sun for the Lamb is its light in Revelation 21:23—similar to the “light” in Creation before the creation of the sun on Day Four).

‘The distinction is that in Eden, the good was pre-evil, whereas in Heaven the good is forever post-evil. In Eden there was night, in Heaven there will be no more night (Revelation 22:5).’

Noah’s Flood
Long-agers believe that the fossil record was laid down over millions of years, which would leave no room for a global Flood. Conversely, if there was a global Flood, that would have laid down much of the rock and fossil record quickly, so there would be no need for millions of years.

So a faith commitment to long-age ideas entails a local flood (if they believe in one at all). So is this possible from the Hebrew? Dr Wang is emphatic:

‘The Hebrew word for “all”, (kol), generally means “all”, “all kinds”, or “every” without hyperbole [exaggeration].

‘On both lexical [word meaning] and contextual grounds, Noah’s Flood is comprehensive. Recounting the biblical sequence of events, initially, all people had become corrupt, God would destroy them and the earth, floodwaters would destroy all life—every land creature that breathed through its nostrils (Genesis 7:22). Everything on Earth would perish, God would “wipe” from the face of the earth every creature he had made; the Ark would hold every kind of wild animal, every ground creature, and every bird.

‘Subsequently, all mountains under Heaven were under water by more than 15 cubits, every living thing on Earth perished—all creatures, all humankind. Every living thing on land died. Everything was wiped out. Only Noah and the others on the Ark were left. It’s hard to imagine how God could have been clearer.’

Why do so many theologians reject Genesis as it is written?
Since the Hebrew grammar is so clear that Genesis should be read plainly, why do many church leaders reject this? ‘This is a very good question,’ replied Dr Wang, ‘and can be answered on different levels.’

‘On the one hand, it is common to “study the Scriptures” (John 5:39), and disregard God. Remarkably, in the situation from which this John quote is taken, Jesus Himself was standing right in front of His disputers! There is a veil over people’s hearts when they read Scripture (2 Corinthians 3:15), the “god of this age”has blinded minds (2 Corinthians 4:4), the things of God are foolishness to the world and cannot be understood apart from the Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:14).

‘In a more mundane sense, many theologians would rather not face the calumny of the world, forsaking the foolishness of the gospel for the “wisdom” of the world, seeking the esteem of scholars and scholarship rather than the “well done, good and faithful servant,” from the Lord.’

Why is Genesis creation important for Christians?
‘God as Creator is essential and foundational to Christianity,’ said Dr Wang.

‘The wisdom of people is not to be trusted, as reasonable as it may seem. How reasonable was Eve’s “good for food, pleasing to the eye” “and taking the fruit and eating?” Sounds good to me! Let’s eat! And once again, how much like the Serpent’s “did God really say?” in Genesis 3 is the approach most people take towards Genesis 1 and 2?

‘Often, people will use the old argument that we should concentrate on preaching the Gospel, rather than get distracted by “side-issues” such as Creation. But if we cannot believe the record of Creation, then why believe the record of the New Creation (“if anyone is in Christ, he is a New Creation; the old is gone, the new has come!”—2 Corinthians 5:17)?

‘If we cannot believe in the First Adam, why believe in the Last [1 Corinthians 15:45]? Death came through the First, life through the Last [1 Corinthians 15:21–22].

‘Evolution, of course, would say that death (through the Unholy Trinity of evolution: Time, Chance Mutations and Natural Selection) formed and shaped the first humans. This imperils the parallels between death from the first Adam and life from Christ. And if Christ is not raised (and the first Adam did not bring death), then we are to be pitied more than all people (1 Corinthians 15:17–19).

‘God as Creator is also central to his sovereignty. So He has mercy upon whom He has mercy (Romans 9:15–21), upon those called by His name. God communicates the fact that He is Creator to Jonah, Habakkuk and others (especially Job) who question the justice of their situation.

‘In all things, God points to the fact that He is the Potter, we the clay; He the Creator, we the creature (Romans 9). Everything about our relationship with Him is based upon this distinction.

‘Moreover, God’s creating and His acting are inextricably related. His acting now is based on His creating then. His creating out of nothing, ex nihilo, is His calling what is not what is (1 Corinthians 1:28), creating streams in the desert (Isaiah 43:19).

‘God’s very name, YHWH, is related to His being Creator, for He identified Himself as “I am who I am” (Exodus 3:14, cf. John 8:58), “the beginning and the end” (Revelation 21:6, 22:13).’

Isn’t it wonderful to be able to totally trust the words of our Creator, who means what He says, from the very first verse in the Bible, as this respected Hebrew scholar attests?

Thank you very much, Dr Wang.

Note
Dr Wang’s views do not necessarily represent those of Stanford University as a whole

tropicalstorm answered on 03/14/07:

watch this
It is creation origins
very christian based and I am sure you will enjoy

origins )

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Pericles asked on 03/13/07 - Practical sex education at school ! .....................



Knowing how prude the US CAN BE the following news item drew my interest :

School district: Sixth graders had sex in class

For months it's been a well-kept secret. But now Warren Township Schools confirm a disturbing case of sex in the classroom. The illicit activity has parents concerned and a district at a loss for words.

Shop class gives students a chance to learn outside of the book. But at Warren Township's Raymond Park Middle School, two students engaged in illicit acts in view of goggled eyes.

13 Investigates was tipped off by a disturbed resident who writes:

"...during school hours in a classroom with an experienced teacher present, two sixth graders completed the act of intercourse...at least ten students were witnesses. No disciplinary actions were taken against the teacher... All teachers were told to keep quiet."

Middle school students having sex in a busy classroom while a teacher is present? Warren Township Associate Superintendent Jeff Swensson confirmed it's true. It's been kept under wraps since November.

The principal at Raymond Park Middle School would not speak to us about the incident or parents concerns. The superintendent in charge of middle schools in the district also backed out of an on-camera interview and instead provided a three-sentence statement:

"Two students were involved in inappropriate conduct in a lab class last semester. We have investigated the matter and taken appropriate action. The school corporation considers the matter closed and will have no further comment."

Associate Superintendent Jeff Swensson told Eyewitness News off camera the teacher didn't know what was going on because another student acted as a "look-out." But once the teacher discovered the behavior, immediate action was taken. Swensson says the students involved were recommended for expulsion. But he did not say whether the board followed that recommendation.

Warren Township School Police were not aware of the incident and say no report was made even though the children were recommended for expulsion.

We sought comment from all seven Warren Township School Board Members about how this case was handled. No one was available to speak with us.

Related stories : (use my link to get a link to these articles)

Warren Township Schools to have meeting over sex incident

Dept. of Education powerless in middle school sex incident

School officials refuse to comment on sex incident

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Link to supporting article

How can this happen in such a semi-Christian society as the USA ? I do not mean the actual sex deed, but to keep this secret?

Any comments ?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/13/07:


Ever Since the one teacher went to jail for being with a boy in her class and even having his baby and they eventually got married, it has become rather common for female teacher's to be with boys. They somehow get away with it while male teachers still go to jail. Eighth graders are taught to put condoms on cucumbers. Doctors give condoms to eighth and ninth graders and the school takes girls for abortions without the parents even knowing they are pregnant.
Sex in the school room with the teachers knowledge is becoming more common. Sometimes something is done about it sometimes not.
Yet at the same time they have suspended kindergarten boys for grabbing kindergarten girls for sexual harassment and the kid has no idea what he has done, but by the eighth grade it is considered sex education.

This is America's solution for unwanted pregnancy and they can't seem to come up with any other solution.

I hear all kinds of stories mostly from parents and kids so it is not some hyped up biased stuff I read

You ask how can a Christian nation
but remember separation of church and state
Christianity has no say in the schools. Sometimes the law does something sometimes it does not.

read the link in clarification
(know not to put link first now :)

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Pericles asked on 03/13/07 - Practical sex education at school ! .....................



Knowing how prude the US CAN BE the following news item drew my interest :

School district: Sixth graders had sex in class

For months it's been a well-kept secret. But now Warren Township Schools confirm a disturbing case of sex in the classroom. The illicit activity has parents concerned and a district at a loss for words.

Shop class gives students a chance to learn outside of the book. But at Warren Township's Raymond Park Middle School, two students engaged in illicit acts in view of goggled eyes.

13 Investigates was tipped off by a disturbed resident who writes:

"...during school hours in a classroom with an experienced teacher present, two sixth graders completed the act of intercourse...at least ten students were witnesses. No disciplinary actions were taken against the teacher... All teachers were told to keep quiet."

Middle school students having sex in a busy classroom while a teacher is present? Warren Township Associate Superintendent Jeff Swensson confirmed it's true. It's been kept under wraps since November.

The principal at Raymond Park Middle School would not speak to us about the incident or parents concerns. The superintendent in charge of middle schools in the district also backed out of an on-camera interview and instead provided a three-sentence statement:

"Two students were involved in inappropriate conduct in a lab class last semester. We have investigated the matter and taken appropriate action. The school corporation considers the matter closed and will have no further comment."

Associate Superintendent Jeff Swensson told Eyewitness News off camera the teacher didn't know what was going on because another student acted as a "look-out." But once the teacher discovered the behavior, immediate action was taken. Swensson says the students involved were recommended for expulsion. But he did not say whether the board followed that recommendation.

Warren Township School Police were not aware of the incident and say no report was made even though the children were recommended for expulsion.

We sought comment from all seven Warren Township School Board Members about how this case was handled. No one was available to speak with us.

Related stories : (use my link to get a link to these articles)

Warren Township Schools to have meeting over sex incident

Dept. of Education powerless in middle school sex incident

School officials refuse to comment on sex incident

---

Link to supporting article

How can this happen in such a semi-Christian society as the USA ? I do not mean the actual sex deed, but to keep this secret?

Any comments ?


tropicalstorm answered on 03/13/07:


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Ever Since the one teacher went to jail for being with a boy in her class and even having his baby and they eventually got married, it has become rather common for female teacher's to be with boys. They somehow get away with it while male teachers still go to jail. Eighth graders are taught to put condoms on cucumbers. Doctors give condoms to eighth and ninth graders and the school takes girls for abortions without the parents even knowing they are pregnant.
Sex in the school room with the teachers knowledge is becoming more common. Sometimes something is done about it sometimes not.
Yet at the same time they have suspended kindergarten boys for grabbing kindergarten girls for sexual harassment and the kid has no idea what he has done, but by the eighth grade it is considered sex education.

This is America's solution for unwanted pregnancy and they can't seem to come up with any other solution.

I hear all kinds of stories mostly from parents and kids so it is not some hyped up biased stuff I read

You ask how can a Christian nation
but remember separation of church and state
Christianity has no say in the schools. Sometimes the law does something sometimes it does not.

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HANK1 asked on 03/13/07 - Catch this:


The following is a sampling of what you read on this Board on a daily basis. Domino's answer to Joe's last post:

"domino Yeah!!! They believe Bad manners are better than NO manners at all :) :) :) :)
Joe is, indeed, one in a million. Unlike Hank, I could never envision Joe calling a dead woman a WHORE and a BITCH. Or calling a live woman a 'pregnant pig'.
Wonder who it was who cut Hank's balls off and left him with such a loathing for REAL women?????? And THAT pussy claims he want's to meet us in the boxing ring!!!! ROTFLMAO"

**************

Is this what you want to read on this Board?

* I can't get Leslie to quit laughing at Domino's answer. Great gal! Getting married in two weeks ... March 27th! Everyone is invited to our wedding except ATHEISTS. My golfing buddies will act as bouncers if any of them show up. Agnostics are welcome.

HANK

tropicalstorm answered on 03/13/07:

Leslie enjoyed it apparently so I guess she laughs on a daily basis...at least she has something to keep her amused

You say you are the King
I guess we are the court jesters

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domino asked on 03/13/07 - Abortion a 'fundi-atheist' plot??????

Once again Peddler in her hysteria shoots herself in the head. In replying to Pericles she SCREAMS HYSTERICALLY: "You godless fundi-Atheists murder 4000 babies every day.
Well, naturally, this prompted me, being a stickler for fact, to check abortion statistics to see who, exactly was having all these abortions. Findings taken from "Patterns of Socioeconomic characterists of women obtaining ABORTIONS in 2000:

RELIGIOUS affiliation: The majority of women older than 17 who obtained abortion, REPORTED A RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION. The highest proportion (43%) identified themselves as Protestant. Twenty seven percent of women having an abortion identified themselves as Catholic, and 8% as a member of another religion; 22% reported no religious affiliation. Thirteen percent identified themselves as "born-again" or evangelical, three forths of whom were Protestant.
Women affiliated with "other" religions and those who didnot identify with any religions had the higest abortion rates (31 and 30 per 1,000, respectively). Women with NO religious affiliation experienced THE LARGEST DECLINE IN ABORTION of ALL groups examined (35%). "

Geeezzzz it seems that those 'nasty' Christian women just can't stay out of those abortion clinics!!!!!

To read the full report log on to:
www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3422602.html

Or simply type the title of the article into your search engine.

P.S. Peddler, cupcake, the article did not specify how many BAPTISTS underwent abortion :) :) :)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/13/07:

I do not know much about people over eighteen that have abortions but this is what I DO know about teen age abortion thirteen to eighteen years old.
I think with the church has become a lot like the non believers. They want to have everything everybody else has and do everything everybody else does that they do not stop to consider what goes against Christianity. They listen to the rap music that constantly repeats stuff like I want to in your pants *** ** ***** ****
***..... and they are not being taught any morals of any kind. The Churches are so caught up in teaching materialism--give to
God and you will have it all and do not focus so much on peoples everyday problems.
Churches also tend to figure anything like abortion is an outside problem-(like the parents that say, 'NOT my kid')

Then the schools teach them before High school all kinds of sex stuff and tell them go experiment. They are given condoms by the Doctor when they are around the 8th or 9th grade. So even if the parents are teaching them any Christian morals they are getting mixed messages by other adults that say oh it is okay they would do it anyway because of peer pressure.
To top it all off many girls are taken for abortions by the school without the parents knowledge that the girl is even pregnant.

If the parents are the ones taking them for the abortions I blame them because they should seek alternatives if they have any Christian convictions. Often too, I think many are afraid they will be shunned by the church if they go to them for advice on a pregnancy they do not want for whatever reasons.

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Rosekeeper asked on 03/13/07 - Has Anyone Seen Drgade?

Am I missing something on here? I miss Drgade, and only Pray he is well, has anyone heard anything from him?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/13/07:

he is here about everyday. He has replied to at least 6 of my posts in the past 2 weeks. I think he is on the political board about as much as this one. Find his name and click on it and you can see he has been here.

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Choux... asked on 03/11/07 - Let's Throw Hank a Good Bye Party!!!

How about let's throw a "Good-bye Princess Hankinina Toga" party this week?

Suggestions for a super send-off appreciated, please.
Thanks.

Mary Sue




Who would have the nerve to return after a super bash?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/11/07:

who would?
HANK!!!
Or Hankspar

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Choux... asked on 03/11/07 - Chat Board

One of the experts here said that the CB is a chat board now.

So, what are the parameters and rules for a chat board? I have never been on one.... Not that I would obey any stinkin' rules.

Just wonderin'

tropicalstorm answered on 03/11/07:

anything goes and if you want to have a *private* talk with someone then you can.
I think they are extremely boring, shallow and a waste of time.
We may have our faults and differences here but we aren't shallow like that.

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Dark_Crow asked on 03/11/07 - How does the Religion of Deism Compare with the Christian Religion?

Deism, from the Latin word Deus, God, is the belief of a God, and this belief is the first article of every man's creed.

tropicalstorm answered on 03/11/07:

From my understanding Deists believe in God and that he created everything but then sat back and let us on our own. Christians for the most part believe God is here and now in our everyday lives.

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arcura asked on 03/10/07 - Which denominations are 100% Christian??????????

Here is my view about the LDS and others being a Christian denomination.
That is a matter of opinion, as it is in regard to several other denominations which are accused of not being Christian by various persons or sects.
In those controversial opinions one can easily note a hefty amount of bigotry sometimes biblically argued.
If a person wants to get down to the nitty-gritty of deciding what is Christian and what is not a nit-picker can say that any denomination which does not follow the New Testament 100% is not Christian.
Because of the wide and varied interpretations of Holy Scripture, any and even all denominations can be claimed by some to not be Christian.
That is my opinion on that subject.
Do you:
1. Agree
2. Not agree 3.
3. Or have your own very different opinion on it?

tropicalstorm answered on 03/10/07:

My own view is that most people go to many traditional churches as some moral obligation and can't even tell you what the Bible teaches.
They say as long as I am a good person and go to church that is all I have to do to be a Christian. Before the non denominational churches and Assemblies of God went to Mega church I felt they came the closest to Christianity. Now they attract many because of their feel good fuzzy sermons and prosperity teachings.
I know lots of REAL Christians and most of them are from the Assemblies of God churches from before they went haywire. I could even give you a nice list of people I know who are REAL Christians.

Just For starters

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domino asked on 03/10/07 - This is for Princess Heinricka the First (and Last).

Who posts that the American Civl Liberties Union is Americas answer to the Gestapo in Nazi Germany.

ACLU's Defense of Religious Liberty

The right of each and eery American to practice his or her own religion, or NO religion at all, is among the most fundamental of the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. The Consitutions framers understood very well that religious liberty can flourish ONLY IF THE GOVERNMENT LEAVES RELIGON ALONE.

Recent ACLU involvement in religous liberty cases include:

September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supproting second gradrers's right to sing "Awesome God" at a talent show.

August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico preacher from jail.

May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconisn prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.

February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successsfully defends the right of an African American Evangelical chruch to occupy a church building in a predominantly white parish.

December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of religious expression by jurors.

December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever challange to "Intelligent Design" instruction in public schools.

November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.

November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.

November 9, 2004 ACLU of Nevada defeneds a Mormon student who was suspended after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message,to school.

August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing evition in the city of Lincoln.

July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets.

June 9, 2004 ACLU of Nebraska files a lawlsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a bathing suit instead of her long skirt and veil.

June 3,2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmout Waterside Park in Stafford County.

There are many more, and more recent cases that you can see, simply by typing in "ACLU Defense of Rreligious Liberty" including the landmark case in which the ACLU defending the Jehovah's Witnesses right to proselytize and pass out religious literature from house to house.

P.S. What happened to Messiah Hanks Queen Leslie...bad enough she might have been demoted, but to have her banished altogether?????? Heinrika...there is a little valve in the small of her back...you can blow her up again any time. :) :)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/10/07:

He is still talking about Queen Leslie in just about everything he says.

I am surprised the ACLU has defended SO many Christian things. I know they do if the law upholds the Christians right, but often the ACLU is the one fighting for the separation of church and state and against Christians rights. Often the ACLJ and them are fighting on opposite sides with the ACLU against the Christians rights.
Hank refers to NAZI enough that one can not help wonder if Hitler is his hero

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domino asked on 03/10/07 - Since we seem to be in an information retrival mode...

You might find this interesting.

AMERIAN CHRISTIANS 'NOT BIBLE-BELIEVERS'
reprinted from Charisma News Service (no date)

Nine of 10 Americans own at least one Bible, and eight of 10 call themselves Christians; but their smorgasbord of religious beliefs appear to contradict that second statistic. Examining 13 different beliefs, the Barna Research Group's latest survey found that a large percentage of Protestants or Catholics have adopted beliefs that conflict with the teachings of the Bible and their churches.

Released last week, the poll of 630 adults discovered that most of them reject the notions of ORIGINAL SIN, the EXISTENCE OF SATAN, and SALVATION BY GOD'S GRACE ALONE. The report also found that 80 percent of Catholics believer that 'praying to deceased saints can have a positive effect in a person's life.'

Surprisingly, 41 percent of Protestants believe in praying to dead saints, too -- a notion dismissed by most evangelical churches. Thirty five percent of Protestants surveyed also said that it is possible to 'communicate with others when they die.' And in yet another break from biblical teaching, the study found that 44 percent contend that 'the Bible, Quran and Book of Mormon are ALL differenct expressions of the same spiritual truths."

'Americans still revere the Bible and like to think of themselves as Bible-believeing people, but the evidence suggests otherwise', said BRG president George Barna, who was not surprised by the findings on Americans' pluralistic beliefs. 'Christians have increasingly been adopitng spiritual views that come from ..other sources."

Makes sense to me.

And here it is the poor Atheists who are taking all the heat! :) :) :)

Sensible comments welcome....Smart asses will be reduced to whale dung! :) :) :)

tropicalstorm answered on 03/10/07:

That is what I keep telling Perc and others.
We are a Christian nation in name only. People say they are Christian simply because they were raised being told they are Christian. I hear drug dealers preaching to people they are selling drugs to.

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