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Toms777 asked on 05/14/07 - Follow-up on Quote

For those who were wondering who this quote was from:

"It is useless for us to seek now for traditions that have come to us by hand, orally, and in the use of the Church in general, since we have the Gospel, in which all that is necessary to salvation and to the Christian life is written."

It comes from a Roman Catholic Dominican Bishop of Chioggia, Gianbattista Nacchianti. This a quote from one of his comments while he was trying oppose the "impious" (as he put it) effort to make tradition equal to scripture during the council of Trent. He fought the effort to have the church base doctrine on scripture alone for a few months.

drgade answered on 05/14/07:

Good for him.

There always seemed to have been "reformers" within the organizational church who wanted to get back to the plan of God which He gave in His Word, the Bible. Those who supported tradition over God's Word often were able to supress them.

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HANK1 asked on 05/14/07 - A Simple Question:



What are "rites of passage"? What are their most important characteristics and functions?

HANK

drgade answered on 05/14/07:

They usually refer to a time/trial/act that a person has to go through to receive a new and higher status among peers who have achieved the goal sought.

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revdauphinee asked on 05/13/07 - more of my so called bigotry

http://www.canadafreepress.com:80/2007/paul-williams051107.htm

At the bottom of the article there is a map of all the known camps in the US.

Springtime in Islamberg
Radical Muslim paramilitary compound flourishes in upper New York state

By Paul L. Williams Ph.D., (author of THE DAY OF ISLAM)

Situated within a dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York, Islamberg is not an ideal place for a summer vacation unless, of course, you are an exponent of the Jihad or a fan of Osama bin Laden.

The 70 acre complex is surrounded with "No trespassing" signs; the rocky terrain is infested with rattlesnakes; and the woods are home to black bears, coyotes, wolves, and a few bobcats.


The entrance to the community is at the bottom of a very steep hill that is difficult to navigate even on a bright sunny day in May. The road, dubbed Muslim Lane, is unpaved and marred by deep crevices that have been created by torrential downpours. On a wintry day, few, save those with all terrain vehicles, could venture forth from the remote encampment.

A sentry post has been established at the base of the hill.

The sentry, at the time of this visit, is an African American dressed in Islamic garb - - a skull cap, a prayer shawl, and a loose fitting shalwat kameez. He instructs us to turn around and leave. "Our community is not open to visitors," he says.

Behind the sentry and across a small stream stand dozens of inhabitants of the compound - - the men wearing skull caps and loose fitting tunics, the women in full burqa. They appear ready to deal with any unauthorized intruders.

The hillside is blighted by rusty trailers that appear to be without power or running water and a number of outhouses. The scent of raw sewage is in the air.

The place is even off limits to the local undertaker who says that he has delivered bodies to the complex but has never been granted entrance. "They come and take the bodies from my hearse. They won't allow me to get past the sentry post. They say that they want to prepare the bodies for burial. But I never get the bodies back. I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's legal."

On the other side of the hill where few dare to go is a tiny village replete with a make-shift learning center (dubbed the "International Quranic Open University"); a trailer converted into a Laundromat; a small, green community center; a small and rather squalid grocery store; a newly constructed majid; over forty clapboard homes; and scores of additional trailers.



It is home to hundreds - - all in Islamic attire, and all African-Americans. Most drive late model SUVs with license plates from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, and Tennessee. The locals say that some work as tollbooth operators for the New York State Thruway, while others are employed at a credit card processing center that maintains confidential financial records.

While buzzing with activity during the week, the place becomes a virtual hive on weekends. The guest includes arrivals from the inner cities of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania and, occasionally, white-robed dignitaries in Ray-Bans from the Middle East.

Venturing into the complex last summer, Douglas Hagmann, an intrepid investigator and director of the Northeast Intelligence Service, came upon a military training area at the eastern perimeter of the property. The area was equipped with ropes hanging from tall trees, wooden fences for scaling, a make-shift obstacle course, and a firing range. Hagmann said that the range appeared to have been in regular use.

Islamberg is not as benign as a Buddhist monastery or a Carmelite convent. Nearly every weekend, neighbors hear sounds of gunfire. Some, including a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, have heard the bang of small explosives. None of the neighbors wished to be identified for fear of "retaliation." "We don't even dare to slow down when we drive by," one resident said. "They own the mountain and they know it and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can't even do that. Who wants to buy a property near that?"

The complex serves to scare the bejeesus out of the local residents. "If you go there, you better wear body armor," a customer at the Circle E Diner in Hancock said. "They have armed guards and if they shoot you, nobody will find your body."

At Cousins, a watering hole in nearby Deposit, a barfly, who didn't wish to be identified, said: "The place is dangerous. You can hear gunfire up there. I can't understand why the FBI won't shut it down."

Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished," an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.



Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in New York and openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in hamaats or compounds, such as Islamberg, where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority. Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.

Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits - - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison - - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: "I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah's sake."

In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.

Over the years, numerous members of Jamaat ul-Fuqra have been convicted in US courts of such crimes as conspiracy to commit murder, firebombing, gun smuggling, and workers' compensation fraud. Others remain leading suspects in criminal cases throughout the country, including ten unsolved assassinations and seventeen fire-bombings between 1979 and 1990.

The criminal charges against the group and the criminal convictions are not things of the past. In 2001, a resident of a California compound was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting of a sheriff's deputy; another was charged with gun-smuggling' and twenty-four members of the Red House community were convicted of firearms violations.

By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the DC "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to the group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan.

Even though Jamaat ul-Fuqra has been involved in terror attacks and sundry criminal activities, recruited thousands of members from federal and state penal systems, and appears to be operating paramilitary facilities for militant Muslims, it remains to be placed on the official US Terror Watch List. On the contrary, it continues to operate, flourish, and expand as a legitimate nonprofit, tax-deductible charity.


drgade answered on 05/14/07:

Interesting.

I used to live just northeast of there for ten years in the Catskills.

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madddawg asked on 05/13/07 - Colossians 1:16

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Is the God who created all things different from the make belief God of Joseph Smith, who was born, once upon a time, on a planet far, far away near the mythical star named Kolob?

drgade answered on 05/14/07:

This passage confirms again that Jesus is Lord by Whom all things are created including the "invisible" things.

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madddawg asked on 05/13/07 - Dr. David B. Kitts

Dr, Kitts, ph.D. in zoology - "Evolution, at least in the sense that Darwin speaks of it, cannot be detected within the lifetime of a single observer." Paleontology and Evolutionary Theory, page 466

Can evolution be observed?

drgade answered on 05/14/07:

Not the Darwinian type of evolution: macro evolution.

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Toms777 asked on 05/14/07 - Comments on this quote...

"It is useless for us to seek now for traditions that have come to us by hand, orally, and in the use of the Church in general, since we have the Gospel, in which all that is necessary to salvation and to the Christian life is written."

Comments??

drgade answered on 05/14/07:

Amen! The Scripture (sola scriptura) is the only source and norm of all Christian doctrine.

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MaggieB asked on 05/11/07 - And Some Say the Islamics here do not have terror on their mind?

USA Today
By Donna Leinwand

WASHINGTON — An alert store clerk suspicious of a videotape exposed the plan of six aspiring Islamic holy warriors who were plotting to attack Fort Dix in New Jersey with assault weapons, the FBI said Tuesday [March 8].

Investigators in court papers described the men as "Islamic militants" who purchased weapons, staked out targets, practiced tactical maneuvers and viewed inspirational jihadist videos.

The 15-month investigation began when the photo-store employee contacted police about a customer who had asked to have a video made into a DVD, court papers say.

A spokeswoman for Circuit City on Wednesday said the clerk was an employee at their Mount Laurel store. Spokeswoman Jackie Foreman said the store is not releasing the employee's name but confirmed the person still works for the company.

"If we didn't get that tip," said U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie, "I couldn't be sure what would happen." FBI agent J.P. Weis called the clerk the "unsung hero" of the case.

The video, allegedly taped on Jan. 3, 2006, at a rented house in the Pocono Mountains, showed men in military fatigues shooting assault weapons while calling for jihad, or holy war, and shouting in Arabic, "God is great," court papers say.

The clerk described the video as "disturbing," court papers say.

The men, who were arrested Monday, had viewed Osama bin Laden videos, but investigators found no direct link to his al-Qaeda terrorist organization, White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

"There is no direct evidence of a foreign terrorist tie," Snow said.

Recorded conversations show the men sought a large number of American casualties, FBI agent John Ryan wrote in a sworn statement.

"My intent is to hit a heavy concentration of soldiers," Mohamad Shnewer, one of the men arrested, said in a telephone call recorded by investigators. "You hit four, five, or six Humvees and light the whole place (up) and then retreat completely without any losses."

He rued a missed opportunity to strike at the Army-Navy football game held in Philadelphia, court papers say.

Shnewer and five other alleged plotters also considered Fort Monmouth Army Base and the Naval Air Station Lakehurst in New Jersey, Dover Air Force Base in Delaware and the U.S. Coast Guard building in Philadelphia, court papers show. They eliminated Dover after staking out the base and finding security too tight, court papers say.

They ultimately fixed on Fort Dix because one of the men, Serdar Tatar, allegedly had easy access to the base as a delivery man for his family's pizza business in Cookstown, N.J., court papers say.

Five of the six men are charged with conspiring to kill soldiers at Fort Dix and illegally purchasing firearms: brothers Dritan "Tony" Duka, 28, Eljvir "Elvis" Duka, 23, and Shain Duka, 26, of Cherry Hill, N.J.; Shnewer, 22, of Cherry Hill; and Tatar, 23, of Philadelphia. The sixth man, Agron Abdullahu, 24, of Buena Vista Township, N.J., is charged with aiding the attempt to get weapons.

The Dukas, who work at a roofing business, were born in the former Yugoslavia and are living illegally in the USA, the Justice Department says. Shnewer, a cab driver in Philadelphia, is a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Jordan. Tatar, who worked as a convenience store clerk, is a legal permanent resident from Turkey. Abdullahu, a supermarket clerk, is a legal permanent resident born in Yugoslavia.

As the investigation progressed, two FBI informants infiltrated the group and recorded conversations and training, court papers say.

The FBI also copied Shnewer's computer hard drive, court papers say.

The battle for the soul of America is being lost. Intelligence leaders have related to that terrorists fighting in Iraq are planning to head to the U.S. as early as this summer. If those with moral clarity sleep, America’s next president may be presiding over a nuclear 9/11.

The battle can be won, but it has to be fought by knowing the truth (it will set us free), and through prayer.

Millions of praying saints (Daniels and Esthers) can reverse the curse. Esther won the battle:

“If you keep quiet at a time like this, deliverance for the Jews will arise from some other place, but you and your relatives will die. What's more, who can say but that you have been elevated to the palace for just such a time as this?" (Esther 4:14)
Daniel won the battle: “The people that do know their God will be strong and do exploits...” (Daniel 11:28)

Pray for protection as he battles against God-haters and radical Islamic fanatics (9/11 types) that are living among us.

The following site could be an eye opener for all US residents.
www.beyondiraq.com site.

drgade answered on 05/12/07:

Probably not all Muslims want to bring down the American system with free speech, freedom of religion and equal rights for women, but it does seem like most of them cheer when we are attacked.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/11/07 - Two birds with one stone?

Most of you won't grasp this but radiometric dating is now dead.

Half-Life Heresy

drgade answered on 05/12/07:

It's about time some scientists used scientific, not biased opinions held by loud atheists, to look at the facts of nature and our study of physics.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/11/07 - Ronnie-The Greatest Mormon Prophet Since Smith?

Apparently it is true . Bringam Young taught that Adam was our father and our god and raped Mary to produce Jesus. Adam-the god of this world?

Ronnie says:
Adam is not God. God created Adam in the Garden of Eden and then threw him out of his sight!

Seeing as Young was the greatest prophet since Smith and Ronnie is superior to Young the only question remaining is he greater than Joseph Smith?

Of course Ronnie also claims that Abraham , Issac and Jacob was a god and Adam were gods. Confused? I sure am.



drgade answered on 05/12/07:

I read the sermon by B. Young and was hoping that his teachings were not the ones held by members of the LDS.

It is rather difficult to find what are the TRUE teachings.

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Toms777 asked on 05/12/07 - Who is the Ancient of Days?

Ronnie said:

"President Brigham Young definitely declares that Adam is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days [ie, the oldest or first man in thie earth's] , which indicates definitely that Adam is not Elohim, or the God whom we worship, who is the Father of Jesus Christ."

That is the Mormon view. What does the Bible say? The term Anicent of days is used three times:

The first is:

Dan 7:9-10
9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.

NKJV

Note the description and the fact the the judgment begins when He is seated. The second reference is here:

Dan 7:11-14
11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

13 "I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,

And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.
NKJV

Notice that the Anicent of Days gives to Jesus (God) an everlasting kingdom. Adam, or Michael could give something to God that He does not already have?

The third reference is here:

Dan 7:21-27
21 I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 "Thus he said:

'The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

26'But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'
NKJV

Again we see the judgment happening after he is seated. Who is seated during the judgment?

Rev 20:11-12
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
NKJV

It is God, not Adam, not Michael the archangel.

Is there anyone who believes this heresy of Brigham Young?

drgade answered on 05/12/07:

Adam DIED.

Michael is only a minister of God

Jesus IS the only begotten Son of God and will come with all angels and saints to judge the whole world.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/12/07 - What is a BIGOT? ............................................




Tombigot thinks it is used by 'these folks' in a modern wrested definition, when the truth is that it is an ancient word and has meant the same thing for more than 400 years!

bigot n. a person who is extremely intolerant of another's creed, belief, or opinion. [1590–1600;

< MF (OF: derogatory name applied by the French to the Normans),

perh. < OE bi God by God]


Typical of a bigot is their unparralleled ignorance, as in this example.




drgade answered on 05/12/07:

As a very reputable dictionary writes:

big·ot
Pronunciation: ˈbi-gət
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance



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peddler7118 asked on 05/12/07 - Ronnie says Jesus Christ was a bigot?

Ronnie's definition of a bigot.

bigot n. a person who is extremely intolerant of another's creed, belief, or opinion. [1590–1600
Therefore Jesus Christ is a biggot, according to Ronnie.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jesus said if you have any other belief but His He will send you to hell. Not exactly a tolerant viewpoint is it?.

drgade answered on 05/12/07:

The most tolerent being in the universe is Satan himself.... as long as you are against Jesus and His followers.

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Itsdb asked on 05/12/07 - Islamist-Left Alliance A Growing Force

By request ... The MEMRI Report

By STEVEN STALINSKY
May 9, 2007

"Where else can you sit down in a single evening and listen to senior people from Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, people from the revolutionary left and the antiwar movement from around the globe?" — British Trotskyite John Rees at the Cairo Anti-War Conference, April 2007

    Over the past year, multiple international conferences have featured leaders of the anti-global left and Islamist groups working together. Go to any anti-war or anti-globalization demonstration in the West and chances are you will see the flags of Hezbollah and Hamas waved by people wearing Che Guevara T-shirts. And at some of these meetings, members of such radical Islamist groups as the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and Hezbollah have enjoyed starring roles.

    The roster of Islamist-left alliances quietly grows every day: Massachusetts Institute of Technology linguistics professor Noam Chomsky praises Hamas and denounces America on Hezbollah's Al-Manar television. London Mayor Ken Livingstone invites a leading Islamist, Sheikh Yosef Al-Qaradawi, who is known for supporting suicide attacks, to visit his city. Iranian President Ahmadinejad calls for a world without America even as he plays host to a Tehran peace conference attended by American Mennonites, Quakers, Episcopalians, Methodists, and leaders of the National Council of Churches.

    The key forum at this year's annual Cairo Anti-War Conference was titled "Bridge-building Between the Left and Islam," and focused on practical ways to increase cooperation. The aim of the conference sessions were described in one piece of literature as tackling "the challenges and prospects facing the international anti-war and pro-intifada movements" and planning "strategy and tactics for bridging the gap and uniting Islamist and leftist ranks in the face of U.S. imperialism and Zionism."

    The Arabic press has lauded this phenomenon. An article in Egypt's Al-Ahram Weekly praises what it refers to as "Arab activists taking the lead in the growing anti-war movement worldwide."

    Some Islamist issues on which the anti-global left appears to have found common ground are countering the international boycott of Hamas, calling for the boycott of Israel, supporting Iran against the threat of a U.S. attack (as well as supporting its "right" to develop nuclear weapons), supporting avowedly anti-American countries such as Cuba and Venezuela, and, above all, opposing the war in Iraq.

    Many leftist blogs and Web sites monitored by MEMRI have been increasingly open to working with Islamist groups on the goals they both share — most notably the desire for America to leave Iraq. British Trotskyite John Rees, a regular at the Cairo conference since it started in 2002, told Al-Ahram in April that at this year's gathering he had discussed in particular the "ongoing dynamic between the anti-war movement and Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood." Mr. Rees also believes that the Islamist-Left coalition is gaining strength, while what is known as the "coalition of the willing" has faltered.

    In addition, MEMRI researchers monitoring jihadi Web sites have recently found Islamists trying to influence American anti-war efforts. On the Islamist Al-Mohajroon Web site, someone with the username Al-Wathiq Billah instructs readers on how to infiltrate popular American Internet forums to distribute jihadist films and spread disinformation about the war.

    "There is no doubt, my brothers, that raiding American forums is among the most important means of obtaining victory in the fierce media war ... and of influencing the views of the weak-minded American who pays his taxes so they will go to the infidel American army. This American is an idiot and does not know where Iraq is ... Every electronic mujahid" must engage in this raiding, Mr. Billah writes.

    Mr. Billah advises his jihadist readers to "register yourself using a purely American name" and to "invent stories about American soldiers you have personally known (as classmates... or members in a club who played baseball and tennis with you) who were drafted to Iraq and then committed suicide while in service by hanging or shooting themselves." The writing should, he says, provoke "frustration and anger towards their government, which will ... render them hostile to Bush ... and his Republican Party, and make them feel they must vote to bring the troops back from Iraq as soon as possible."

    Such an emerging alliance can only be expected to play a negative role in the ongoing war on terror.


Now I understand why the left dismisses Islamic terrorism - they believe they're on the same side. Like I said earlier, the left has just spent too much time in this position ...

drgade answered on 05/12/07:

I agree. AND why so many leftist and anti-Christ people DEFEND THE MUSLIMS in their attempt to rule the world.... These people agree that if they have a common enemy (Jesus Christ), then they are friends.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/12/07 - Mothers' Day ................................


I wish a joyous and happy Mothers' Day to all mothers.


Behold Thy Mother
By Ronnie Bray


I watched the mothers, some young, some not so young, who had carried their fretful babies to the back of the auditorium at the conference. Though quite different women, each held their little ones close in roughly the same way, swaying gently, cooing softly into their ears, and enticing them to sleep.

The scene before my eyes misted over and changed. In my imagination I saw their babies grown to manhood and womanhood, and I knew what they would never know: that their mothers carried them, bore them, held them, sacrificed their time, comfort, and health to love them through bleak and cheerless days, troubled and tormented nights, and did whatever the moment demanded to make them well again and restore their sweet smiles of baby peace. Children grow up ignorant of every sweet or troubled moment so spent on them by their mothers.

Once assumed, motherhood can not lightly be laid down. It endures beyond the narrow confines of mortality into the far reaches of eternity, where the attributes of matriarchy are known for what they are – characteristics of deity.

The wages of motherhood are not paid in full during mortality. A mother’s labour does not stop when her heart beats its last, and her breath slips from her with a sigh. Mothers know this, but undertake the role with love and thanksgiving, accepting that ingratitude will often reward their efforts to render help or advice.

Each memory of the earliest months and years are imprinted into the mother’s heart, and burned into her brain, but the child often forgets, acting as if those days had never been, and that makes for the worst kind of pain.

Mothers are not perfect. There is no prior requirement for would-be mothers to be faultless or expert. Even so, most strive for perfection, and many get close enough to pass with honours. Children of any age who harbour the expectation that their mother should be perfect are labouring under a delusion whose identical twin is the idea that life will be fair. The best that can be said of any mother is that despite her imperfections, she tried always to do her best to raise her children well.

This upward striving, often against her intrinsic nature, is the willing sacrifice of a mother’s loving heart, swiftly turned from her own interests when the badge of “Mother” is pinned to her breast. She is always ‘mother’ although the direction and intensity of her role changes as her family grows.

Now a girl, little more than a child, nursing a newborn that demands all her devotion so that he can live, be healthy, increase in wisdom, and grow to adulthood.

Now a mature woman with three or more little ones tugging at her skirts, juggling her time, coping with the many calls and tasks that fly at her with the velocity of machine gun bullets, without diluting the love, care, and tenderness she imparts to each.

Now a matron, watching her teenaged children hover on the edge of maturity, but who still desperately need to hold her hand as they unfurl their wings before the wide blue arc of life.

Now a grandmother with smiling eyes, silver hair, and tears in her eyes cradling her grandchild and remembering.

Then a great-grandmother remembering little with clarity, her wrinkled face reverting to angelic gentleness when she is visited by sweet children whose parent’s names she has forgotten.

- - -

As Jesus hung on the Cross of Calvary, he made provision for his mother by commanding John the Beloved, Son, behold they mother. In these few words, Jesus defines our responsibilities to our mothers.

How appropriate, that even in the hour of his glory, as he made the perfect Atonement, he recognised the part his mother had played in his preparation to become the Saviour of the World, and he made provision for her to be comforted at the hour of his death, and for her continuing welfare, through the good offices of one whom he loved and trusted.

In the Fellowship of the Cross, Jesus teaches us about mothers, and the regard and esteem that he and his Father in Heaven have for them. Through this, we begin to realise the exalted station of motherhood. Someone said that mothers go down to the edge of the grave to bring their children into the world, and this is true. What is equally true is that mothers never stop loving their children, even when their children are ungrateful and, sometimes, unkind.

When I was young, I was disappointed that my mother had not made me better than I was. My feelings towards her changed when I realised that she had done her best, and I began to appreciate all that she had done for me, rather than count what I considered to be her failings. Since then, I have felt much better, and so has my mother.

Whatever our mothers may or may not have done for us, they gave us life, and nurtured us according to their imperfect best. To each of us, especially we who have not managed to be sufficiently grateful, the Voice from the Cross commands,

Behold thy mother.

Are you listening?




Copyright © Ronnie Bray
14 May 2000
All Rights Reserved



drgade answered on 05/12/07:

My good wife is a wonderful grandmother to her grandchildren and a wonderful mother to her children!

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/12/07 - Mothers' Day ................................


I wish a joyous and happy Mothers' Day to all mothers.


Behold Thy Mother
By Ronnie Bray


I watched the mothers, some young, some not so young, who had carried their fretful babies to the back of the auditorium at the conference. Though quite different women, each held their little ones close in roughly the same way, swaying gently, cooing softly into their ears, and enticing them to sleep.

The scene before my eyes misted over and changed. In my imagination I saw their babies grown to manhood and womanhood, and I knew what they would never know: that their mothers carried them, bore them, held them, sacrificed their time, comfort, and health to love them through bleak and cheerless days, troubled and tormented nights, and did whatever the moment demanded to make them well again and restore their sweet smiles of baby peace. Children grow up ignorant of every sweet or troubled moment so spent on them by their mothers.

Once assumed, motherhood can not lightly be laid down. It endures beyond the narrow confines of mortality into the far reaches of eternity, where the attributes of matriarchy are known for what they are – characteristics of deity.

The wages of motherhood are not paid in full during mortality. A mother’s labour does not stop when her heart beats its last, and her breath slips from her with a sigh. Mothers know this, but undertake the role with love and thanksgiving, accepting that ingratitude will often reward their efforts to render help or advice.

Each memory of the earliest months and years are imprinted into the mother’s heart, and burned into her brain, but the child often forgets, acting as if those days had never been, and that makes for the worst kind of pain.

Mothers are not perfect. There is no prior requirement for would-be mothers to be faultless or expert. Even so, most strive for perfection, and many get close enough to pass with honours. Children of any age who harbour the expectation that their mother should be perfect are labouring under a delusion whose identical twin is the idea that life will be fair. The best that can be said of any mother is that despite her imperfections, she tried always to do her best to raise her children well.

This upward striving, often against her intrinsic nature, is the willing sacrifice of a mother’s loving heart, swiftly turned from her own interests when the badge of “Mother” is pinned to her breast. She is always ‘mother’ although the direction and intensity of her role changes as her family grows.

Now a girl, little more than a child, nursing a newborn that demands all her devotion so that he can live, be healthy, increase in wisdom, and grow to adulthood.

Now a mature woman with three or more little ones tugging at her skirts, juggling her time, coping with the many calls and tasks that fly at her with the velocity of machine gun bullets, without diluting the love, care, and tenderness she imparts to each.

Now a matron, watching her teenaged children hover on the edge of maturity, but who still desperately need to hold her hand as they unfurl their wings before the wide blue arc of life.

Now a grandmother with smiling eyes, silver hair, and tears in her eyes cradling her grandchild and remembering.

Then a great-grandmother remembering little with clarity, her wrinkled face reverting to angelic gentleness when she is visited by sweet children whose parent’s names she has forgotten.

- - -

As Jesus hung on the Cross of Calvary, he made provision for his mother by commanding John the Beloved, Son, behold they mother. In these few words, Jesus defines our responsibilities to our mothers.

How appropriate, that even in the hour of his glory, as he made the perfect Atonement, he recognised the part his mother had played in his preparation to become the Saviour of the World, and he made provision for her to be comforted at the hour of his death, and for her continuing welfare, through the good offices of one whom he loved and trusted.

In the Fellowship of the Cross, Jesus teaches us about mothers, and the regard and esteem that he and his Father in Heaven have for them. Through this, we begin to realise the exalted station of motherhood. Someone said that mothers go down to the edge of the grave to bring their children into the world, and this is true. What is equally true is that mothers never stop loving their children, even when their children are ungrateful and, sometimes, unkind.

When I was young, I was disappointed that my mother had not made me better than I was. My feelings towards her changed when I realised that she had done her best, and I began to appreciate all that she had done for me, rather than count what I considered to be her failings. Since then, I have felt much better, and so has my mother.

Whatever our mothers may or may not have done for us, they gave us life, and nurtured us according to their imperfect best. To each of us, especially we who have not managed to be sufficiently grateful, the Voice from the Cross commands,

Behold thy mother.

Are you listening?




Copyright © Ronnie Bray
14 May 2000
All Rights Reserved



drgade answered on 05/12/07:

My good wife is a wonderful grandmother to her grandchildren and a wonderful mother to her children!

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Toms777 asked on 05/12/07 - Does God Exist?

For those who missed the debate on ABC, you can watch it on-line here:

Does God Exist

drgade answered on 05/12/07:

I avoided it on TV and I'll avoid it here.

ANY program which says that it is going to tell us something about God or a religion is usually so biased that it can only make my heart ache for all those who watch and believe it to be the truth.

Matt 15:14
14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
(from New International Version)

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CeeBee2 asked on 05/12/07 - Important advice your mother gave you -----------

From my mom:

White vinegar and baking soda are two of your best cleaning tools.

Do it now and get it over with -- then you can play.

Establish a bedtime routine (put on jammies, have a light snack, brush teeth, go potty, get comfy under the covers, read a chapter in your book, turn out the light). You'll sleep better.

Lay out your clothes the night before, so you can dress quickly and easily in the morning and get on with the day.

Always eat something for breakfast. You'll be glad you did when 10:30 comes around.

Always check your work.

drgade answered on 05/12/07:

Actually, she didn't say any of those things. She was very busy with the many children who came after me.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/10/07 - The insanity of atheism!

Eco-Extremist Wants World Population to Drop below 1 Billion
Sea Shepherd founder says mankind is a 'virus' and we need to 're-wild the planet.'

By Dan Gainor
The Boone Pickens Free Market Fellow
Business & Media Institute
5/6/2007 7:41:33 PM


Apparently, saving the whales is more important than saving 5.5 billion people. Paul Watson, founder and president of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and famous for militant intervention to stop whalers, now warns mankind is “acting like a virus” and is harming Mother Earth.

Watson’s May 4 editorial asked the question “The Beginning of the End for Life as We Know it on Planet Earth?” Then he left no doubt about the answer. “We are killing our host the planet Earth,” he claimed and called for a population drop to less than 1 billion.

The commentary reminded readers that Watson had called humans a disease before and he wasn’t sorry. “I was once severely criticized for describing human beings as being the ‘AIDS of the Earth.’ I make no apologies for that statement,” the column continued.

Watson was invoking the worst of Robert Malthus, an English political economist who claimed that mankind was overpopulating the earth. That claimed first appeared in the late 1700s. Watson urged some solutions for mankind as part of a process to “need to re-wild the planet”:

• “No human community should be larger than 20,000 people and separated from other communities by wilderness areas.” New York, London, Paris, Moscow are all too big. Then again, so are Moose Jaw, Timbuktu and even Annapolis, Md.
• “We need vast areas of the planet where humans do not live at all and where other species are free to evolve without human interference.”
• “We need to radically and intelligently reduce human populations to fewer than one billion.”
• “Sea transportation should be by sail. The big clippers were the finest ships ever built and sufficient to our needs. Air transportation should be by solar powered blimps when air transportation is necessary.”
• At least Watson was generous and said people could still talk with one another across great distances. “Communication systems can link the communities,” he proclaimed from on high.

The Watson rant kept on going calling for everything from cutting down on the population of domesticated dogs and cats to cutting down on everything else in what he called “simplify, simplify, simplify.”

Watson essentially called for humans to return to primitive lifestyles. “We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.”


drgade answered on 05/11/07:

It is quite apparent that the religious environmentalists follow the prince of this world who HATES God's greatest creation(or so God sees His children).

For years they have taught that the world has "only one enemy, man!" And the unsuspecting nihilists have accepted that doctrine without question. Yet these "save Mother Earth" people continue to live in house made of trees and polute the air with motor driven vehicles on land, air and sea. Talk about hypocrits.

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arcura asked on 05/11/07 - It's humor time again................................

Sleeping Beauty, Tom Thumb, and Quasimodo were all talking one day.
Sleeping Beauty said, "I believe myself to be the most beautiful girl in the world."
Tom Thumb said, "I must be the smallest person in the world."
Quasimodo said, "I absolutely have to be the most disgusting person in the world."
So they all decided to go to the Guinness Book of World Records to have their claims verified.
Sleeping Beauty went in first and came out looking deliriously happy.
"It's official, I AM the most beautiful girl in the world."
Tom Thumb went next and emerged triumphant, "I am now officially the smallest person in the world."
Sometime later, Quasimodo comes out looking utterly confused and says. "Who the hell is Rosie O'Donnell ?

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

Now, now, It's just her attitude that makes her appear so ugly.

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Itsdb asked on 05/11/07 - More Outrageous Instances of Religious Misconduct ...

Christians flee Pakistani town after militants’ threat (AP)

11 May 2007

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Several Christian families have fled their homes in northwestern Pakistan after their minority community received threatening letters to shut churches and convert to Islam, a rights activist said on Friday.

    The unsigned letters were distributed this week in the town of Charsadda - where Pakistan’s interior minister last month escaped a suicide attack that killed 28 people.

    Shahbaz Bhatti, head of the All Pakistan Minorities Alliance, claimed militants trying to impose Taliban-style social strictures were responsible for the letters, which gave Christians until May 17 to convert.

    He said several families among the 500 or so Christians in the town had already migrated to other places and others were contemplating the same. He appealed to President Gen. Pervez Musharraf to “take strong and immediate measures for the safety of our people.”

    “These extremists are asking us to change our religion. We will not do it, even if we have to die,” Bhatti told The Associated Press.

    Police said Thursday they had stepped up security at churches in Charsadda. Copies of the handwritten letter, sent to churches and homes, did not say what consequences the Christians might face if they did not comply with the ultimatum.

    The threats come amid a spate of reports about how religious vigilantes are using intimidation and violence to enforce a strict interpretation of Islam across an expanding swath of Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan.

    Other recent examples are bombings of music stores - including at least three blasts in Charsadda in the past week - threats to barbers not to shave customers’ beards and pressure for the closure of schools for girls.


Iraq's Christian Leaders Appeal for Protection From Islamists

    Religious leaders have taken up the Chaldean Patriarch's appeal to save persecuted Christians in Iraq, asking for protection from the authorities and respect for human rights ...

    The Assyrian Patriarch of the East first drew attention to the tragedy facing the Christian community especially in "Mosul and Baghdad, where terrorists at work in Dora district are asking Christian families to convert to Islam or to pay a protection tax or to leave their homes and all their belongings."

    Dinkha IV described as "inhuman" such acts perpetrated against Christians, "who have always respected the authorities". For this reason, he continued, "we call on the government to extinguish the flames in which all Iraqis, without distinction, are burning." And turning to the Iraqi premier, the Shiite Nouri Al Maliki: "Muslim parties and groups that are perpetrating violent acts against Christians are far from Islam; so we ask the prime minister and MPs to take the necessary steps to stop the violence that is affecting all the sons of Iraq." There was also a call to the international community: "We ask the United Nations and human rights organizations to ensure respect for the rights of persecuted peoples and to help us stop this violence."


And finally...

Emir of Al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb Promises Future Martyrdom Operations

    In a video posted on Islamist websites on May 9, 2007 (but dated April 2007), the Emir of the Al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb, Abu Mus'ab 'Abd Al-Wadoud, congratulated the Muslims of North Africa and the world on the establishment of his organization, which he said would bring true unity to the Muslims, after the Arab League and the Arab Maghreb Union had failed in doing so. He attacked these groups for taking sides with the Crusaders in various conflicts; he also derided Morocco for being more concerned with the Western Sahara than with liberating Ceuta and Melilla and "cleansing them of the impurity of Spain."

    He promised that the mujahideen would continue to dedicate their lives to fighting the apostates, the Jews, and the Crusaders, and said that a strategic decision had been made to use, from now on, martyrdom-seeking (i.e. suicide) operations. 'Abd Al-Wadoud said that orders had been issued to all levels of command to open the door to volunteers who wished to carry out martyrdom operations, and said that the various commanders were to exercise independent judgment in planning and executing such operations...

    He continued: "Where are those who desire reward? Where are those who long for Paradise?... Where are those who pledge to sacrifice their lives? Hurry, hurry! Do you not hear what your Prophet said: '… I want to raid for the sake of Allah and be killed, and then raid and be killed, and then raid and be killed.'


Comments?

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

The politics and religious teachings of Qur'an are inseperable.

We don't need to object to any practice of religion by Muslims, that is, their worship, clothes, traditions, etc. The problem is the POLITICS.

They have no other teaching except that all the world must follow their laws or pay for the privilege of NOT obeying their laws!

But, quite evidently, there can be no reformation in their attitude towards Jews and Christians.

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arcura asked on 05/11/07 - WEIRD BUT TRUE.......................................


How smart is Your Right Foot ?

Just try this. It is from an orthopedic surgeon............

This will boggle your mind and you will keep trying over and over again to see if you can outsmart your foot, but, you can't. It's preprogrammed in your brain!



1. WITHOUT anyone watching you (they will think you are GOOFY......) and while sitting where you are at your desk in front of your computer, lift your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles.

2. Now, while doing this, draw the number Ś" in the air with your right hand. Your foot will change direction. (If it doesn't you have a neurological problem)!

I told you so!!! And there's nothing you can do about it!

You and I both know how stupid it is, but before the day is done you are going to try it again, if you've not already done so.

Let me know how your effort turned out.

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

True! I can still pat my head, rub my belly and twist my feet on the floor at the same time!! Guess only the right foot can't follow the course that I set for it.

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jjgoss asked on 05/11/07 - ..'Melting pot' America..

..(BBC) American society has often been described as a melting pot but in recent years, it has also attracted other definitions such as "tomato soup" and "tossed salad".

For centuries, the US has attracted people in search of a share of "the American dream" from all corners of the world.

In fact, US history is one of immigration.

In 1620, about 100 English colonists, so-called "Mayflower Pilgrims" left for America seeking religious freedom.

They landed near Plymouth, Massachusetts, marking an early successful European migration to North America, which had been inhabited by Amerindian people for more than 16,000 years.

The immigration flow to the US first accelerated after the French Revolution, and during the 19th century, population pressure, fragmentation of land in rural Europe and famines drove millions of Europeans to the New World.

Throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries, American ports teemed with German, Chinese, Irish, Italian, and Polish immigrants.

Until 1882, the US government practised an open door immigration policy, but at the end of the century, it began trying to control immigration by excluding prostitutes, criminals, alcoholics, and Chinese, among others, from coming to the country.


During the 20th Century, the US government kept fine-tuning its immigration policies.


Under the national origins quota system, established in 1921, admission to the US largely depended upon an immigrant's country of birth.

Seventy percent of all immigrant slots were allotted to citizens of just three countries: UK, Ireland and Germany.

But these went mostly unused, while there were long waiting lists for the small number of visas available to those born in eastern and southern Europe.

In 1965, the nationality quotas were abolished, which is seen to have inaugurated a new era of mass immigration, particularly from Mexico and Latin America.

In an effort to curb illegal immigration, in 1996 Congress passed legislation which marked a turn towards tougher policies for both legal and illegal immigrants.

It increased the categories of criminal activity for which immigrants, including green card holders, could be deported, and imposed mandatory detention.

As a result, more than one million individuals have been deported since 1996.

While critics of illegal immigration are pushing for even tougher laws, mass demonstrations across the US have shown that such a strategy will not be accepted by a large section of the population.

The immigrants' campaign groups argue that a country built by immigrants will fail to function without them.

Americans take pride in their "melting pot" society (a term coined by an immigrant, Israel Zangwill) that encourages newcomers to assimilate into the American culture.

But the melting pot imagery has been contested by the idea of multiculturalism, the "salad bowl theory", or as it is known in Canada, the "cultural mosaic", whereby the immigrants retain their own national characteristics while integrating into a new society.

Some go further. Harvard political scientist Samuel Huntington says that large-scale Latino immigration poses a threat to American identity.

According to Professor Huntington the reality of American history is best described as tomato soup: the blending of new ingredients adds spice without compromising the essential character of tomato.

"Contributions from immigrant cultures modified and enriched Anglo-Protestant culture of founding settlers.

"The essentials of that founding culture remained the bedrock of the US identity, however, at least until the last decades of the 20th Century," Mr Huntington writes in his controversial 2004 book Who Are We. The Challenges to America's National Identity.

He sees the gravest threat to American identity in Mexican immigration which, according to him, is splitting America in two.

"As their numbers increase, Mexican Americans feel increasingly comfortable with their own culture and often contemptuous of American culture", he says.


But are the Mexican-dominant areas of the US really consolidating themselves into a culturally and linguistically distinct and economically self-reliant bloc within the US, as Professor Huntington states?

Douglas Rivelin from the National Immigration Forum contests Mr Huntington's view of Latinos as different from other immigrant groups.

"I was astounded that someone so smart could write such a book," he says.

"He is totally missing what is going on in the US. The same thing could have been written in 1924 about Irish or other immigrants, and it would have been equally wrong."

"Bagels and pizzas and spaghetti were new things at one time... immigrants come and change America and are changed by America."


..Why did you or your ancestors come to live in the States???.....Did you or they find "the American dream"???........

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

There is only one great change in immigration today; immigration in the past was "acceptable" to Americans ONLY IF IT WAS LEGAL. People who wished to come to the USA had to be be approved as healthy and having a skill or means of support.

What is being politicaly battled today is whether there should be such "approval" as in the past.

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jjgoss asked on 05/11/07 - ..Lutherans Seek Minorities to Reverse Falling Membership..

..CHICAGO (AP) - In an effort to reverse an overall decline in membership, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is trying to attract blacks and other minorities.

Currently, blacks comprise only about one percent of Evangelical Lutherans. And this year, the denomination is trying to establish about two dozen minority congregations around the country.

The ELCA also has launched Asian, Latino, American Indian and Arab outreach ministries.

In the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, the nation's second largest Lutheran denomination, blacks comprise less than three percent of members....

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

My first call to pastor in the LC-MS was to serve two "black" congregations of Pensacola FL in the early 1960s. Though it was not popular, we even integrated. (had two "white" families join the congregation)

This was a time when crosses were still being burned on the yards of some of our "white" pastor's laws who served in the "black" communities.

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jjgoss asked on 05/11/07 - ..Plans for Student-Led Prayer at Graduation Spark Controversy..

..MONROE, La. (AP) - The Louisiana chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union says a plan to allow student-led prayers at next week's graduation ceremonies in all six Ouachita Parish public high schools is unconstitutional.

The parish school board let each senior class decide whether to include a prayer in its ceremony, with those choosing to pray electing a student to lead the prayer.

The head of the Louisiana ACLU, Joe Cook, says the policy allowing student-led prayer is an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion.

But Liberty Counsel Chairman Mat Staver says the school board is on solid ground since it isn't requiring prayer. He adds that to ban voluntary prayer would be an unconstitutional violation of students' free speech rights....

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

Hurray for Liberty Counsel Chairman Mat Staver. At least someone has read the First Amendment.

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jjgoss asked on 05/11/07 - ..Blair Was a 'Conviction' Politician, say Christian Socialists..

..The Christian Socialist Movement has paid tribute to Prime Minister Tony Blair who announced on Thursday that he will step down from office on 27 June after 10 years in power.

Blair announced his departure in a speech to party members in his Sedgefield constituency on Thursay in which he said it was up to other people to decide whether he had mistakes, but said he had always done what he thought was “right”.

“I may have been wrong. That's your call.

"But believe one thing if nothing else, I did what I thought was right for our country. And I came into office with high hopes for Britain's future, and, you know, I leave it with even higher hopes for Britain's future.

"Actually I've been lucky and very blessed. And this country is a blessed nation.

"The British are special - the world knows it, in our innermost thoughts we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth,” he said.

The Christian Socialist Movement praised Blair for speaking openly about his Christian faith throughout his time as prime minister.

“Tony Blair has made no secret of his Christian faith and its importance to him, and Christian values have clearly informed government policies in the area of the minimum wage, giving pensioners, children and working families a better deal, and tackling global poverty,” said the Director of CSM, Andrew Bradstock.

"Even where Mr Blair’s actions have drawn criticism from the churches – for example, over Iraq – he has clearly shown himself to be a ‘conviction’ politician, driven by a concern to do what he believed to be right.”

Church leaders have also paid tribute to Blair, particularly his achievements in Northern Ireland, although Iraq has remained a sore point with many.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, said, "The Church of England, in common with all people of faith, is grateful that over the past ten years the Prime Minister has refused the demands of some to close down the space in our society within which both vigorous debate and the full diversity of religious conviction can find voice and be expressed.”

The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, said that while he “fundamentally disagreed” with Tony Blair over the invasion of Iraq, he praised Blair for upholding the right to public debate.

"Tony Blair always welcomed what he termed ‘prophetic wisdom’ from the Church on matters of state, even where such wisdom took the form of criticism or disagreement...

~ by Maria Mackay

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

Though all Christians are flawed (not yet perfect in their lives even thought they have perfect righteousness before God), there is the advantage for those who are always seeking God's will of receiving His wisdom:

James 1:4-5
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
(from New International Version)

It's still better than following the wisdom of the world which has no basis/foudation/absolutes from which to proceed.

Ps 73:1-19

Surely God is good to Israel,to those who are pure in heart.
2 But as for me, my feet had almost slipped;I had nearly lost my foothold. 3 For I envied the arrogant when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.
4 They have no struggles;their bodies are healthy and strong. 5 They are free from the burdens common to man;they are not plagued by human ills. 6 Therefore pride is their necklace;they clothe themselves with violence. 7 From their callous hearts comes iniquity;the evil conceits of their minds know no limits. 8 They scoff, and speak with malice;in their arrogance they threaten oppression. 9 Their mouths lay claim to heaven,and their tongues take possession of the earth. 10 Therefore their people turn to them and drink up waters in abundance. 11 They say, "How can God know?Does the Most High have knowledge?"
12 This is what the wicked are like--always carefree, they increase in wealth.
13 Surely in vain have I kept my heart pure;in vain have I washed my hands in innocence. 14 All day long I have been plagued;I have been punished every morning.
15 If I had said, "I will speak thus,"I would have betrayed your children. 16 When I tried to understand all this,it was oppressive to me 17 till I entered the sanctuary of God;then I understood their final destiny.
18 Surely you place them on slippery ground;you cast them down to ruin. 19 How suddenly are they destroyed,completely swept away by terrors!
(from New International Version)

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hOPE12 asked on 05/11/07 - For JJgoss

As one of Jehovah Witnesses, I just want to say this so you can have something to think about.

Thank you. This can be read and the Watchtower response to such matters.

http://www.jw-media.org/newsroom/index.htm?content=/vnr/2122827332/713173.pdf

Also if anyone on this board thinks that they can down any organization of any sin that one or more members may committ, then by rights let's down all the religions and none relion groups and orgainizations of this world.

No matter what organization anyone belongs to, there are child abusers in all religions and if anyone thinks there is not, they are living in a make believe world. Child molestation is a sick crime and has been committed by all people and from all walks of life and from all cultures and yes religions. Crime is committed by people. Even people the same race, religion, culture, and sex as Jjgoss is. Some times they are right in one's own family.

These are sick people found all over this world, why just pick on JW's?

Just setting matters straight. Don't throw stones unless you have room to.

Hope12

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

Even St. Paul admits that he is still not perfect and though we strive to walk always with Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, we will make mistakes.... personally and as church bodies.

Paul admonishes us to "forget what lies behind" ie "confess and repent" of what we have done in the past and get on with directing our minds, actions and doctrines in conformity to God's Word.

Rom 7:18-25
18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23 but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
(from New International Version)


Phil 3:12-16

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.
(from New International Version)

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/11/07 - "Denial" is not a River in Egypt! ..... It is a state of bloody-mindedness ......

Fri May 11, 8:36 AM ET

Japan should take steps to ensure that films and exhibitions planned in China on the Nanjing massacre do not distort the truth, a government official said on Friday

China's official Xinhua news agency said in late March that no fewer than four Chinese films about the wartime atrocity were planned for this year, the 70th anniversary of Japan's capture of China's former capital.

"There will be various movies and exhibitions on the Nanking incident, and it is natural that we should make efforts to suggest more details of facts and prevent wrong views from spreading in China," Japanese Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Hakubun Shimomura told a lower house panel.

China says invading Japanese troops slaughtered 300,000 men, women and children in Nanjing, then known as Nanking. An Allied tribunal after World War Two put the death toll at about 142,000.

But some Japanese historians say the 1937 massacre has been exaggerated and some conservatives deny there was even a massacre.

A Japanese group backed by ultra-nationalist figures said earlier this year it planned to make a documentary, "The Truth about Nanjing," denying Japanese soldiers massacred civilians and prisoners of war. China condemned the proposed documentary.

Last August China announced plans to make a movie about the "Nanking Massacre" based on Iris Chang's best-selling book.

Sino-Japanese ties have been overshadowed by what Beijing says has been Tokyo's refusal to admit to atrocities committed by Japanese soldiers in the country between 1931 and 1945.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has been trying to mend fences, visiting Beijing last October for a leaders' summit less than two weeks after taking office.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao followed up with an "ice-melting" visit to Japan last month, marking the first visit by a Chinese premier to Japan since 2000.

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drgade answered on 05/11/07:

Since "spin" (lying) has become acceptable in the world society, revisionists have been having a heyday...heros are denounce and slandered and the wicked have become honored.

There have been too many pictures and motion pictures taken at the time of the Japanese troops slaughter and other evils done in China during WWII. This is backed up by films and documents of US troops in their encounters with the Japanese policy during this war. We KNOW what happened. We even had trials for some of the leaders of atrocities in Japan after the war.

The best the Japanese government can do is agree it happened, it was a horrible time and mistake....and look at the NEW Japanese society of today which has repented of its past.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/11/07 - Why does a so-called Christian use Atheistic Arguements?

Fred claims that fundamentalist Christians are just like Muslim Terrorist. This is the word for word arguement of the Christian hating atheist.

For centuries the Jesuits of the RCC invented new ways to torture people to death for disagreeing with them. They were so good at it they repulsed even the Turks who thought they were the kings of terror.
The Mormons practice blood atonement and slaughtered Christians for their own good.

There is no record of an official policy of murder for any group of Bible believing Christians. Only the RCC who claims authority over the Bible and the various pagan cults .

The RCC and the Mormons have a great deal in common with each other and the Muslims.

All three have had or still have an official policy of wanton murder of Bible believing Christians and all three say you must believe what they say the Bible means.

drgade answered on 05/11/07:

There were stupid and antichristian actions IN THE PAST by some Christians and some Mormons as far as using the sword which Christ Himself forbid His disciples to use.

But the Muslims are unique in that they have NOT rid themselves of using the sword to fight religious wars. They still teach the doctrine AND PRACTICE OF MOHAMMED as far as killing in the name of their god. They have no NEW Testament and no saving by grace.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/11/07 - Ronnie Acuses Mormon god of Lying!

Ronnie has gone on record that the prophet of the Mormon god Bringam Young was lying when he said that Adam impregnated Mary with an exchange of bodily fluids:

What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.

So either the Mormon god {Adam} was lying to Young or Young was lying to everybody. Ronnie says the Mormon prophets never lie.

Mormonism is a mental disease.


drgade answered on 05/11/07:

That is a terrrible sermon! It uses a lot of biblicaly, even doctrinaly, correct phrases BUT they mean something else than what the Bible teaches.

It was when I got to the part:

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken-He is our FATHER andour GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later. They came here, organized the raw material, and arranged in their order the herbs of the field, the trees, the apple, the peach, the plum, the pear, and every other fruit that is desirable and good forman; the seed was brought from another sphere, and planted in this earth. The thistle, the thorn, the brier, and the obnoxious weed did not appear until after the earth was cursed. When Adam and Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit, their bodies became mortal from its effects, and therefore their offspring were mortal. When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, theFather had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by theHoly Ghost".

...that I had to quit reading. I hope this is not the doctrine taught in the LDS congregations. It speaks of the de facto "Trinity" (without calling it that) but both agrees and denies that the Holy Spirit is God. The last line denies that the Holy Spirit was the "active agent" in the pregnancy of the Virgin Mary while saying that God is "tabernacled" being who IS the father of Jesus the Christ.

Scarey.

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jjgoss asked on 05/10/07 - ..Study finds religion has positive impact on children..

..A new study finds that children from religious homes are better behaved than kids who grow up in homes without religious influence. The study, conducted by sociologists at Mississippi State University, asked parents and teachers of more than 16,000 children to rate how much self-control the young people had and how often they exhibited poor behavior.



Those scores were then compared by researchers to how frequently the children's parents said they attended worship services, talked with their child about religion, or argued about religion. According to the Mississippi State University (MSU) researchers, teachers and parents said those children whose families regularly attended worship services or talked about religion at home were found to have better self-control and social skills than children with non-religious parents.

John Bartkowski is an MSU sociologist who helped conduct the study. "What we found is that religion matters," he notes. "Not only does parental church attendance or religious worship service attendance positively affect child development outcomes, but the frequency at which parents and children discuss religion has a beneficial effect on children's development."

Bartkowski says religious communities offer a strong support system for parents. "Religious communities are one resource that parents can use to bolster the positive influences in their children's lives," he points out.

"Of course, this doesn't negate the effect of Boys and Girls Clubs involvement, extra-curricular activities, and other things that actually steer youth towards positive developmental outcomes," the sociologist adds. "But, if indeed it takes a village to raise a child," he notes, "then we can say that religious communities are an important part of the village we live in, and parents would be wise to utilize this resource, should they wish to do so."

In addition to these findings, Bartkowski says the MSU researchers did find that children were more likely to have behavior problems when parents argued about religion. The study will be published in the journal Social Science Research.

~American Family News Network

drgade answered on 05/10/07:

The influence of any person or group seeking "good" should have a good influence on children.

On the other hand:

1 Cor 15:33

33 Do not be misled: "Bad company corrupts good character."
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 05/10/07 - ..Herod tomb found in West Bank..

..An Israeli archaeologist says the tomb of King Herod, famed for expanding the Jewish second temple during his reign in the first century BC, had been discovered in the occupied West Bank.

Pieces of an elaborate sarcophagus believed to contain Herod's remains were found three weeks ago, Ehud Netzer, professor of archaeology at Hebrew University, told reporters.

"Three weeks ago we found the sarcophagus and we knew that it was it," said Prof Netzer, who led the digs and has been working at the site since 1972.

The tomb was located at Herodium, a mesa rising more than 750 metres above sea level some 12 kilometres south of Jerusalem in the West Bank, Prof Netzer said.

Herod built a palace on the flattened hilltop and was thought to have been buried there, but years of excavations failed to find the burial site.

"The location and unique nature of the findings, as well as the historical record, leave no doubt that this was Herod's burial site," Professor Netzer said, adding that no inscriptions have yet been found.

The pieces of the "large unique" sarcophagus, made of Jerusalem reddish limestone and decorated with rosettes, was discovered on the northeast slope of the mesa, where archaeological excavation began in August 2006.

"Only very few similar sarcophagi are known in the country and can be found only in elaborate tombs," he said.

It "was broken into hundreds of pieces, no doubt deliberately," Prof Netzer said, adding that it appeared to have been destroyed between 66 and 72 AD during the first Jewish revolt against the Romans.

"It is an important discovery, first of all because Herod is well known,"
he said. "Secondly, because Herod is a personality that is important to the
Christians — he is mentioned many times in the New Testament.

"Thirdly, Herodium is a wonderful building that Herod left us," he added.

Herod, sometimes called Herod the Great, was appointed king of Judea by the Romans in around 40 BC. He greatly expanded the Jewish second temple and ordered building works in Caesaeria, Jericho and at the hilltop fortress of Masada overlooking the Dead Sea.

He is best known to Christians from the Gospel of St Matthew in the Bible for ordering the Massacre of the Innocents — the mass killing of male babies in Bethlehem in a bid to avert a perceived threat to his rule.

Herod reportedly ordered his troops to slaughter the children after a prophecy that he would lose his throne to a newly born "King of the Jews" — Jesus Christ.

The Herodium discovery is likely to spark political fallout in a region where archaeological finds inevitably become linked to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and any claims that appear to strengthen one side's connection to the land are viewed suspiciously by the other.

After the news conference, Shaul Goldstein, an official with the Gush Etzion Jewish settlement near the Herodium site, told army radio that the find "constitutes new proof of a connection between Gush Etzion and the Jewish people and Jerusalem."

He called on the government to name Herodium "a national and religious site."

Palestinian tourism minister Khulud Dwaibess, who oversees archaeological
sites, told AFP that a team of Palestinian archaeologists was due to inspect
the site and that her ministry would not comment until after receiving their
report.

~SOURCE: AFP

drgade answered on 05/10/07:

A find like that could make a lot of money...even as unproven.

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HANK1 asked on 05/10/07 -
Another Serious Question:



What is the process by which people experience religious conversion?

HANK

drgade answered on 05/10/07:

Many people are not "converted". They grow up in or find a religion which pleases them.

Those who become Christians do so by the power of God's Spirit.

"Conversion" means changing from one thing to another. People all being born in the flesh are not "converted" unless they a person now led by the Spirit of God and not their own conscience, logic or rules of others.

2 Cor 5:16-21

16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
(from New International Version)

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MarySusan asked on 05/10/07 - Outrageous Instances of Religious Misconduct

Chritopher Hitchens offers in his new book "god is Not Great: etc" a list of religious outrages so emotional as to be thrilling and disgusting at the same time. Quote as follows:

"By all means let an observant Jewish adult male have his raw-cut penis placed in the mouth of a rabbi. (That would be legal, at least in New York.) By all means let grown women who distrust their clitoris or their labia have them sawn away by some other wretched adult female. By all means let Abraham offer to commit suicide to prove his devotion to the Lord or his belief in the voices he was hearing in his head. By all means let devout parents deny themselves the succor of medicine when in acute pain and distress. By all means — for all I care — let a priest sworn to celibacy be a promiscuous homosexual. By all means let a congregation that believes in whipping out the devil choose a new grown-up sinner each week and lash him until he or she bleeds. By all means let anyone who believes in creationism instruct his fellows during lunch breaks. ****But the conscription of the unprotected child for these purposes is something that even the most dedicated secularist can safely describe as a sin.***" Asterisks mine.

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drgade answered on 05/10/07:

Does he give his view on the unprotecteed unborn child being aborted by a secularist parent and doctor? He does write as if he thinks that he is better than people with religious beliefs.

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belle33 asked on 05/09/07 - I wish

someone would post something on (their opinion) aproximately the "end of the world." I know some of you scholars have an opinion but probably won't post it.

drgade answered on 05/10/07:

Opinions have been made for centuries and none of them has been correct.

However, Jesus said clearly that no one is going to know when the end of the world will come. Even He, Who emptied Himself of His divine nature...along with all angels, did not know when that day would come.

Matt 24:9-14, 36-38
10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come....

36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
(from New International Version)

Phil 2:5-8

5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death-
even death on a cross!
(from New International Version)



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MaggieB asked on 05/09/07 - Tammy Faye Bakker Messner:

Just for those who know and care, her doctors have taken her off all her meds and she weighs 65 pounds.
She has lots of pain so those who will, pray that her pain will soon end and she will be at peace. She is a "very" brave lady. I am told that if she would just give up she would be gone.

Thanks,
MaggieB

drgade answered on 05/10/07:

I hadn't kept up with her life. I'll add her to my prayers.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/09/07 - Mormonism=Racism and Bigotry!

And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities."

23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.
24 And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.
(2 Nephi 5:21-24}

13 And it came to pass that before this thirteenth year had passed away the Nephites were threatened with utter destruction because of this war, which had become exceedingly sore.

14 And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites;

15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites;

16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. And thus ended the thirteenth year.

(3 Nephi 2:15-16).

6 And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a pure and a delightsome people.

{2 Nephi 30:6}



drgade answered on 05/10/07:

I certainly don't enjoy all the bickering on this website, but when quoting the official teachings of a religion is considered hateful bigotry, something is definitely wrong.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/09/07 - Jews Believed in Christ in the 5th Century B.C.?

The source for this is 100% the OFficial Mormon Scripture Site.
Official LDS Scriptures

Summary of:
2 Nephi 30
Converted gentiles shall be numbered with the covenant people—Many Lamanites and Jews shall believe the word and become a delightsome people—Israel shall be restored and the wicked destroyed. Between 559 and 545 B.C.

2 Nephi 30:6

5 And the gospel of Jesus Christ shall be declared among athem; wherefore, bthey shall be restored unto the cknowledge of their fathers, and also to the knowledge of Jesus Christ, which was had among their fathers.
6 And then shall they rejoice; for they shall aknow that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their bscales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a pure and a delightsome people.
7 And it shall come to pass that the Jews which are scattered also shall begin to believe in Christ; and they shall begin to gather in upon the face of the land; and as many as shall believe in Christ shall also become a delightsome people.

How can an intelligent person read this and not know it is a forgery? Jesus was not born for another 550 years! Why would a Jew fron the 5th century B.C. use the Greek word for Messiah?

This is what the book says Ronnie. Only a fool could accept it as true.

drgade answered on 05/10/07:

That is rather strange. The OT of the Bible does make a lot of references to the Christ and describes Him in great detail but the name "Jesus Christ" is certainly never used among the Isrealites.

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paraclete asked on 05/09/07 - Considering the amount of detailed discussion

regarding cults these days, here are some tips for cult members.


Pick one faith and stay with it. Dilettantism is the mark of an amateur.

Familiarize yourself with the specifications for sacrificial victims, and ensure that unacceptable substitutes cannot be unexpectedly introduced into the ceremony. If the penalty for not-to-specs work is death and/or mutilation, consider working for a more fault-tolerant deity.

Avoid needless embarrassment. Practice the correct pronunciation of your deity's name in the privacy of your own room before chanting it in public.

Flash cards are often helpful.

Before agreeing to impregnation by a supernatural being, investigate the survival rate of the other women who have undergone the procedure.

Never invoke anything bigger than your head.

Eschew deities whose followers are all young; such faith groups usually employ an unpleasant retirement procedure.

Avoid all cabalistic jewelry over ten pounds in weight -- it attracts unwelcome attention from tourists, policemen, various supernatural creatures, and can be downright dangerous during thunderstorms. Its jingling also tends to warn the hero of your approach.

Citronella candles may not be used in rituals. I cannot stress this enough.

Pastel colored candles in the shape of cute animals are like direct sunlight to the Powers of Darkness.

If the spirit contacted during a seance begins offering financial advice, you're dealing with a con artist, and not a genuine medium.

Always keep your kit with you: candles, chalk, incense, silver knife, Thuggee cord, service revolver, garlic, and cab fare.

Fluorescent lighting is very annoying to most netherworldly creatures.

When the Black Mass goes awry, stay away from the Evil Priest. Enraged Demons always go for the pompous.

When a religious artifact begins emitting light, close your eyes. Thousands of cult members could be saved every year if they followed this simple safety tip.

When mutilating cattle, avoid the ones with testicles.

During ritual sacrificing, taking bits home for later is now generally considered "bad form."

Contrary to historical belief, drugs and invocations do not mix. When The ritual goes awry, it is vitally necessary to be able to discern between The gibbering monstrosity to pump full of silver bullets and the gibbering monstrosity that will fade away after a few hours, some B complex, and a good hot bath.

Piety and belief are powerful things, and few forces in nature, can stand against one who is true to his faith, his god/goddess, and the deal made In exchange for the soul. However, it is also true that gods tend to side With the heaviest artillery, so be prepared to change sides at the drop of a hat.

For those situations where a fresh, living, sacrifice is not available, The lower ranks of demons can be fooled by microwaving a previously frozen Chunk of ex-victim and cleverly jiggling it. However, a mock victim sculpted from Spam is unacceptable.

Instead of picking human victims who are young, virginal and innocent (and tend to turn out to be the Hero's girlfriend), see if you can substitute mass murderers, lawyers, and other people who won't be missed.

drgade answered on 05/10/07:

Good advice to cultists who seeking to stay in charge of their own lives and want all things religious to be "rational, logical and reasonable" to their own minds.

However, most cult deities require the sacrifice of virgins, especialy the most pure and vulnerable such as the unborn. These deities will always eventually demand this allegience to their ways.

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arcura asked on 05/08/07 - What do you think of this???????????????????????????

6 Arrested in Alleged Fort Dix Murder Plot
Tuesday, May 08, 2007

MOUNT LAUREL, N.J. — Six Islamic militants from Yugoslavia and the Middle East were arrested on charges of plotting to attack the Fort Dix Army post and "kill as many soldiers as possible," authorities said Tuesday.
In conversations secretly recorded by an FBI informant over the past year, the men talked about killing in the name of Allah and attacking U.S. warships that might dock in Philadelphia, according an FBI criminal complaint.
"This was a serious plot put together by people who were intent on harming Americans," U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie said Tuesday. "We're very gratified federal law enforcement was able to catch these people before they acted and took innocent life."
One suspect reportedly spoke of using rocket-propelled grenades to kill at least 100 soldiers at a time, according to court documents.
"If you want to do anything here, there is Fort Dix and I don't want to exaggerate, and I assure you that you can hit an American base very easily," suspect Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer said in one conversation secretly recorded by a government informant, according to the criminal complaint.
"It doesn't matter to me whether I get locked up, arrested or get taken away," a suspect identified as Serdar Tatar said in another recorded conversation. "Or I die, it doesn't matter. I'm doing it in the name of Allah."
Another suspect, Eljvir Duka, was recorded saying: "In the end, when it comes to defending your religion, when someone is trying attacks your religion, your way of life, then you go jihad."
White House spokesman Tony Snow said Tuesday there is "no direct evidence" that the men had ties to international terrorism.
The FBI was tipped off in January 2006 when a shopkeeper alerted agents about a "disturbing" video he had been asked to copy onto a DVD, according to court documents. The video showed 10 men in their early 20s "shooting assault weapons at a firing range ... while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic 'Allah Akbar' (God is great)," the complaint said.
Six of the 10 men on the tape were identified as those arrested in the plot. They were arrested Monday trying to buy automatic weapons from an FBI informant, officials said.
Christie said one of the suspects worked at Super Mario's Pizza in nearby Cookstown and delivered pizzas to the base.
"What concerns us is, obviously, they began conducting surveillance and weapons training in the woods and were discussing killing large numbers of soldiers," said Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd.
The six were scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in Camden later Tuesday to face charges of conspiracy to kill U.S. servicemen, said Michael Drewniak, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey.
Four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one in Jordan and one in Turkey, officials said. All had lived in the United States for years. Three were in the country illegally; two had green cards allowing them to stay permanently; the other is a U.S. citizen.
Besides Shnewer, Tatar and Eljvir Duka, the other men were identified in court papers as Dritan Duka and Shain Duka. Checks with Immigration and Customs Enforcement show that the Dukas were illegally in the U.S., according to FBI complaints unsealed with their arrests.
Five of the men lived in Cherry Hill, a Philadelphia suburb about 20 miles from Fort Dix.
"They were planning an attack on Fort Dix in which they would kill as many soldiers as possible," Drewniak said.
A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because documents in the case remain sealed, said the attack was stopped in the planning stages. The men also allegedly conducted surveillance at other area military institutions, including Fort Monmouth, a U.S. Army installation, the official said.
By March 2006, the group had been infiltrated by an informant who developed a relationship with Shnewer, according to court documents. The informant secretly recorded meetings in August in which Shnewer said he and the others were part of a group planning to attack a U.S. military base, the complaints said.
Shnewer named Fort Dix and a nearby Navy base, explaining that the group "could utilize six or seven jihadists to attack and kill at least one hundred soldiers by using rocket-propelled grenades" or other weapons, the complaints said. The Navy base was not named in the papers.
Fort Dix is used to train soldiers, particularly reservists. It also housed refugees from Kosovo in 1999.
The base has been closed to the public since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and has heavily armed guards at entrances, yet the main road through neighboring Cookstown cuts through the base and is accessible to the public.

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

Are you picking on a few peaceloving Muslims?

Their God seems to teach a strange "love your neighbor" commandment.

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lglynn5 asked on 05/08/07 - Did you know...

The Temple Jesus builds..Zechariah 1:16, Exekiel 40-48..will cover ALL..of the city OF JERUSALEM?

Have a good day.

In Christ, Lynn

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

Since all Christians are part of this temple which Jesus is building, it will be larger than that.

Eph 2:19-22

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
(from New International Version)

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lglynn5 asked on 05/08/07 - Did you know...on the NEW EARTH..

Father's tabernacle..the holy city..NEW Jerusalem, will cover 1,500 miles in every direction?

Have a good day.

In Christ, Lynn

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

I knew it was going to be very big. But I haven't seen any specs given by God giving the exact dimensions.

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lglynn5 asked on 05/08/07 - Did you know...

In 325 A.D. only two religions..were allowed?

Christianity, and who else?

Have a good day.

In Christ, Lynn

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

Allowed by whom?

Since before the tower of Babel there have been many religions wherever man settled. Man has no problem making up new relgions to disposess God Who created them.

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lglynn5 asked on 05/08/07 -
Do you know why..

BABYLON..is second to Jerusalem..for being mentioned in the Bible?

Have a good day.

In Christ, Lynn

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

The references are seldom flattering.

Rev 18:1-3
2 With a mighty voice he shouted:

"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
3 For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
(from New International Version)

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Itsdb asked on 05/09/07 - Religion news

Eritrean Christians Gather for Historic Prayer Event in Nairobi

    Eritrean Christians from all over the world are gathering in Nairobi, Kenya, on Sunday 13 May 2007 to participate in a National Day of Prayer for their country.

    The event is the first of its kind and has been organised by the newly inaugurated Eritrean Evangelical Fellowship in Africa and the Middle East, a Nairobi-based organisation created in December 2006 to empower the church in the region and to advocate for those suffering persecution both inside and outside Eritrea.

    Participants will include leaders and ordinary Christians from the Eritrean Christian diaspora.

    “We are expecting hundreds of people to come together, some from within Kenya and others from abroad," the organisation’s General Secretary told Christian Solidarity Worldwide.

    Many of those who will be attending the Kenya prayer gathering have fled Eritrea to escape the severe persecution that has continued unabated since 2002, when the government decreed the closure of all churches not belonging to the Orthodox, Catholic or Lutheran denominations, and began to harass and indefinitely detain Christians in increasing numbers.

    Some 2000 Christians are currently imprisoned without trial or charge, CSW has reported. Among them is ordained Patriarch of the Orthodox Church, Abune Antonios, who was unlawfully removed from office in January 2006 and remains under stringent house arrest. A new Patriarch is due to be consecrated on 27 to 28 May in violation of the church’s constitution.


Professors Hold 'Unfavorable' View of Evangelicals

    A majority of American university faculty members view evangelical Christians unfavorably and would like to see the influence of "Christian fundamentalists" on American politics lessened, according to a study released Monday by the Institute for Jewish and Community Research (IJCR).

    The survey, which polled more than 1,200 university faculty members, found that 53 percent of them have "cool" or "unfavorable" feelings toward evangelicals, a group that may account for one-third of the American population. The study also found that one-third of faculty members had a negative view of Mormons.

    Dr. Gary Tobin, president of the IJCR and a co-author of the study, told Cybercast News Service he hopes the research will encourage university administrators and faculty to examine their own prejudices.

    "This is an opportunity for reflection and honest debate and improvement," he said. "It's an issue about the heart and soul of the academy. Universities should not be [places] that tolerate prejudices of any kind, even if it's a prejudice against America's largest religious group."


Hamas takes the Mickey

    A giant black-and-white rodent -- named "Farfour", or "butterfly", but unmistakably a Mickey ripoff -- does his high-pitched preaching against the US and Israel on a children's show run each Friday on Al-Aqsa TV, a station run by Hamas.

    The militant group, sworn to Israel's destruction, shares power in the Palestinian Government.

    "You and I are laying the foundation for a world led by Islamists," Farfour squeaked on a recent episode of the show, titled Tomorrow's Pioneers.

    "We will return the Islamic community to its former greatness, and liberate Jerusalem, God willing, liberate Iraq, God willing, and liberate all the countries of the Muslims invaded by the murderers."

    Children call in, many singing Hamas anthems about fighting Israel.

    The only surviving child of Walt Disney is calling Hamas "pure evil" for making a mockery of Mickey Mouse and turning the lovable icon into a propaganda tool for hate.

    Diane Disney Miller said she was disgusted that a ripoff of her father's star cartoon character was being used to encourage Palestinian children to take up arms against Israel and America.

    "Of course I feel personal about Mickey Mouse, but it could be Barney (the dinosaur) as well," said Ms Miller, 73, a northern California winery owner.

    "It's not just Mickey, it's indoctrinating children like this, teaching them to be evil. The world loves children and this is just going against the grain of humanity."

    Israel has long complained that the Palestinian airwaves are filled with incitement.

    "There is nothing comic about inciting young generations of Palestinians to hate Israelis," said David Baker, from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office.


Today's "Mousketeers," tomorrow's...?

Algeria 'bombing' video released

    Al Jazeera has aired a video from al-Qaeda's branch for North Africa purportedly showing how a bomb attack was carried out in Algeria last month.

    The brief video shown on Tuesday showed what appeared to be landmines and explosives being put together, followed by a large explosion.

    At the end of the aired segment, a bearded man said to be Abu Musab Abdulwadood, the leader of Algeria's main Islamic movement, called on young Muslims to join his group, join the "long list of martyrs" and carry out suicide bombings.


And finally ... facilities across the US will soon be holding church youth camps with kids swimming, hiking, playing baseball and having bible drills...

Comments?

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

From what I know, it is a caution gone overboard.

The "illegal" rules now being enforced by the state were instituted because of fear of the Muslim world around them. The Big Denominations jumped on board because it was advantages to disallow other denominations from growing.

But they made a great mistake in trying to suppress the Pentacostal and Charismatic Christians. Many of these Christians have the Spirit of God working with such evidence that no one is going to stop them completely.

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hOPE12 asked on 05/09/07 - Can you give your opinion?

Hello Everyone,

I have been working with a 33 year old man, he had a drinking problem. Recently he has gotten that under control with AA and counseling.

His wife had left him and when she noticed his drinking was under control and that he was studying the bible and trying to get his life back on track, she kept inviting him to visit her and the kids. He has one 6 year old daughter and a 13 year old son.

He decided he would try to get back with her for the sake of the children and because in God's eyes he felt it would be a good step to take. He made a date with his wife for dinner and they talked and he went back on a trial basis.

Now his wife wants him to stop studying the bible and to do the dishes and laundry and cook and take care of the kids and work a full time job as a machanic. He tries to be affectionate but she is not loving towards him at all. While they were apart, they were both unfaithful and now he knows that is wrong and he wants them to try to make it work. His wife is still speaking to some guy on the phone.

He asked for some counsel that will help him to handle the situation. I came up with a few but wanted to get some views on the matter so as to give him the correct view.

My question is, How would you all handlle such a situation if someone came to you for counsel with his problem?

All are welcome to give their opinion. I will appreciate all opinions.

Take care,
Hope12

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

The Bible does say that men are to love their wives AS THEIR OWN BODIES ...AND:

Eph 5:21

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
(from New International Version)

This is the passage JUST BEFORE "Wives submit to your husbands" and does seem to include husbands.

Is the husband disabled that he can't "do the dishes and laundry and cook and take care of the kids and work a full time job as a machanic" ....as well as read the Bible?

If he isn't disabled, then they just need to agree on a divisions of chores with neither being overly burdened.

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jjgoss asked on 05/09/07 - ..what's wrong with these teenagers???...

..(BBC)Two teenage girls in Western Australia have been sentenced to life in prison for killing a friend to see whether they would feel remorse at the deed.

The girls, aged 16 at the time of the murder, strangled Eliza Jane Davis then buried her under a house.

They told police they knew it was wrong to kill but it "felt right", and they did not regret Davis's death.

Perth Children's Court president Denis Reynolds said the murder was "gruesome and merciless in the extreme".

The pair, who cannot be named because of their age, killed 15-year-old Davis while the three were staying at the same house in the coal-mining town of Collie, south of Perth, on 18 June 2006.

They had been discussing how neither would feel bad about committing murder when they decided to kill Davis, who was sleeping in another room, a court heard in April.

They dressed in old clothes then strangled Davis with speaker wire and buried her body under the house, the court heard.

The girls confessed to police after deciding the grave was too shallow and that they would inevitably be caught.

Earlier, they had reported Davis as missing and pretended to help with the search for her body.

Their lawyers said experts were baffled as to the motivation behind the attack.

The girls were jailed for life, with a minimum sentence of 15 years...

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

Over the years, "Love your neigbor as yourself" has been replaced with, "If it feels right, do it". These girls had learned that "murder" is no ABSOLUTE wrong.

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jjgoss asked on 05/09/07 - ..sad night for LA...

..(AP) - Firefighters made progress early Wednesday against a wildfire blazing over Dante's View in the brush-covered hills behind the city's iconic Griffith Observatory. Animals at the nearby Los Angeles Zoo were moved indoors, and dozens of homes were evacuated.

The 600-acre blaze in sprawling Griffith Park was just one firefighters were battling across the nation. A wildfire in northern Minnesota has already destroyed 40 homes and buildings, and brush fires in Georgia and northern Florida have charred more than 200 square miles.

Overnight, five helicopters flew dangerous water-dropping missions in Los Angeles, helping fire crews get the blaze about 40 percent contained.

Griffith Park is a mix of wilderness, cultural sites, horse and hiking trails and recreational facilities set on more than 4,000 acres in the hills between Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley.

Visitors to its Greek Theatre, Observatory and the Museum of the American West were told to leave. At the Autry National Center, which includes a museum of Western artifacts, staff threw tarps over the collections to protect them in case the sprinkler system went off, said Faith Raiguel, chief operating officer.

The flames forced officials to put most of the Los Angeles Zoo's 1,200 animals inside holding quarters.

"So far the animals are faring fine," said Jason Jacobs, director of marketing and public relations for the zoo. "I haven't heard any reports of anything going wrong."

About 35 people who live near the park, out of an estimated 300 evacuated from nearby homes, checked in to an evacuation center at a high school.

"I was just able to get a few things," said Ed Stephan, 83, who helped his wife into their car as ashes fell from the sky. "We're not too worried but want to get out of here and observe the law."

Authorities hoped residents would be able to return to their homes by evening.

The fire destroyed Dante's View, a trailside terraced garden on Mount Hollywood, said City Councilman Tom LaBonge.

"This is a very sad night for Los Angeles," he said...


drgade answered on 05/09/07:

There has been no perfect place to live since the garden of Eden. S.CA is pretty close but it's because it is almost a desert that it's nice...but also the cause of our of control fires.

MN? FL? GA? I don't live there so I don't know. When I lived in FL there was way too much scrub oak allowed to live and die unmolested and uncared for.

Somehow, I think global warming will be blamed for these fires.

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jjgoss asked on 05/09/07 - ..Wrong year!!!....

..(BBC) I have seen George Bush fumble for grammar, cringe in front of the cameras and shrug off insults from world leaders.

I have seen him joust gamely with opponents and stare down enemies with a cold eye.

But I have never, ever seen the commander-in-chief of the mightiest nation on earth look utterly terrified.

This week an elderly lady, who is at least a head smaller than the president and who, by all accounts, has never harmed a fly, achieved - unwittingly - what Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Nancy Pelosi have all tried and failed to do: reduce George Walker Bush to a quivering mass, make his lower lip tremble and - I promise you I saw it with my own eyes - make him blush to the roots of his Texan rind.

Yes, the 43rd President of the United States was smitten by her Britannic Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II.

The endearing thing about George Bush is that his body language and the spoken variety both betray his true emotions at every turn.

At Monday night's state dinner, the first white tie event in the Bush White House, a pair of lacquered black shoes could be seen virtually tap dancing with jitters on the red carpet next to the royal footwear.

Then there was George Bush's hesitant "should I sit or should I stand" toast which left the Queen on her feet, sipping her Riesling all by herself.

The most memorable gaffe had been committed earlier that day, when the president almost implied that the Queen was 200 years older than her current age by thanking her for attending America's bicentennial celebrations in 1776.

He corrected himself mid-date, then did what he often does in sticky circumstances. He winked, smiled and lunged for recovery.

The Queen was heard to mutter: "Wrong year!"

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

The President is a man of humility even though he has such great strength of character. A true Texan and American.

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Itsdb asked on 05/09/07 - More religion news

Sharpton Denies Disputing Romney's Faith

    BOSTON — The Rev. Al Sharpton, who recently urged that radio host Don Imus be fired for making a racially insensitive remark, said in a debate that "those of us who believe in God" will defeat Republican Mitt Romney for the White House. But Sharpton denied he was questioning the Mormon's own belief in God.

    Rather, the New York Democrat said he was contrasting himself with Christopher Hitchens, the atheist author he was debating at the time.

    "As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don't worry about that; that's a temporary situation," Sharpton said Monday during a debate with Hitchens at the New York Public Library's Beaux-Arts headquarters.


I wonder which of the two knows less about God?

UN attacked for spreading Christianity?

Gaza terrorists claim UN 'converting our Muslims under the cover of an international organization'

    A deadly attack Monday against a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip was carried by an Islamist extremist group, according to a statement faxed to WND which claimed the UN was targeted because the international body was "spreading Christian missionary activity."

    "The UN is spreading Christian missionary. We will keep hitting them and trying to kill them. They are trying to convert our Muslims under the cover of an international organization," said the statement, signed by the group Jihadia Salafiya.

    Until now, Jihadia Salafiya has operated in Gaza as an Islamic outreach movement seeking to make secular Muslims more religious, but the overall leader of the organization, Abu Saqer, confirmed to WND Tuesday his organization recently opened what it called a "military wing" to target individuals, establishments and groups it claims are "corrupting Islam."

    One person was killed Monday when unidentified attackers hurled grenades at a UN-run school in the Gaza Strip after announcing on loudspeakers they were angry over the participation of boys and girls in a sports event.

    Six other people, including at least one pupil and a school principal, were wounded in the attack, which local residents blamed on "Muslim extremists."

    Witnesses told reporters gunmen arrived at the school and warned through loudspeakers against letting boys and girls participate in the sports day.

    The gunmen said the event "taught children immoral values."


The UN spreading Christianity? Any excuse to "go jihad" I suppose.

Islamic militants ban music on Pakistani frontier

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Islamic militants are confiscating music cassettes from public buses and ordering shops to only sell CDs promoting jihad in the latest push to Talibanize a lawless Pakistani frontier region, residents said Tuesday.

    The campaign was launched Sunday in North Waziristan, a tribal region where the government reached a peace deal with pro-Taliban militants last fall, an intelligence official confirmed on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of his job.

    Bands of armed militants have visited shops selling music cassettes and CDs in the main town of Miran Shah, warning owners to only sell "jihadi" recordings - featuring sermons by clerics or songs without musical accompaniment that praise holy war and those who fight it.


And elsewhere...

Christian schools in Colorado on a "soccer jihad"

    From 1997-2003, public schools failed to win a Class 3A boys soccer championship.

    Faith Christian won three, Colorado Academy garnered two and Colorado Springs Christian and Denver Christian took one apiece. It's these types of situations when private schools assert domination that engender outcry toward private schools.


Soccer dominance ... sure beats attacking a childrens festival with with guns and home-made bombs.

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drgade answered on 05/09/07:

I would suppose, from others who like to "spin" their reasons, that "spreading Christian missionary activity" MEANS "not acitively teaching islamic sharia law and the Qu'ran".

There is no tolerance of other religions or governments for Muslim leaders and Imams.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/09/07 - Bigots Enter the Lists ..... se this site:




http://radioactivequill.blogspot.com/2007/05/if-you-vote-for-mitt-romney-god-will.html


drgade answered on 05/09/07:

Many posts about "bigots" lately. Maybe we should have a common definition for the board.

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arcura asked on 05/09/07 - The was poster on a blog by Jason Easley........

Bigotry in politics is nothing new, but here is the latest.
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By Jason Easley
I am sure that many people have already heard about the remark that the Rev. Al Sharpton made about Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney while he was debating atheist author Christopher Hitchens at the New York Public Library’s Beaux-Arts headquarters on Monday. During the debate Sharpton said, “As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don’t worry about that; that’s a temporary situation.” A spokesman for the Romney campaign said, “It is terribly disheartening and disappointing to hear Reverend Sharpton offer such appalling comments about a fellow American’s faith. America is a nation of many faiths and common values, and bigotry toward anyone because of their beliefs is unacceptable.”

Though, instead of apologizing, Sharpton accused the Romney campaign of trying to drum up sympathy for their candidate. He accused the Romney people of engaging in a, “blatant effort to fabricate a controversy to help their lagging campaign. In no way did I attack Mormons or the Mormon Church when I responded that other believers, not atheists, would vote against Mr. Romney for purely political reasons,” Sharpton said. What? Sharpton’s explanation makes absolutely no sense at all. He said those who really believe in God will defeat the Mormon. To me, this implies that he feels that Mormons really don’t believe in God. In an interview with the AP yesterday, Sharpton backed off his comments, just a bit, “What I said was that we would defeat him, meaning as a Republican,” Sharpton said. “A Mormon, by definition, believes in God. They don’t believe in God the way I do, but by definition, they believe in God.”

Romney himself has tried to take the high road in all of this. “I don’t know Reverend Sharpton,” he said. “I doubt he is personally such a thing, but the comment was a comment which could be described as a bigoted comment. Perhaps he didn’t mean it that way, but the way it came out was inappropriate and wrong,” said Romney.

drgade answered on 05/09/07:

Bigotry should be no suprise. As long as people have autonomos egos they will try to put "others" down for just being different.

What is more suprising is the hypocrisy of those who accuse others of being "bigots" while knowing in their hearts that they do the same.

Rom 2:14-16
14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts NOW ACCUSING, NOW EVEN DEFENDING them.)
(from New International Version. EMPHASIS MINE)

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/09/07 - L Ray Smith says there is no such place as Hell .....




http://bible-truths.com/



drgade answered on 05/09/07:

He'll have to be convinced by his own experience, later.

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belle33 asked on 05/08/07 - Have any of you

ever listened to Pastor Murray on shepherds chapel? He says that the fall of Adam and Eve came from them having sex with Satan in the garden. He says Cain and Abel were twins, with two different fathers. Cain is the sonof Satan and Abel is the son of Adam. Seems Adam and Eve both had sex with Satan in the garden and thats why they covered their privates instead of their mouths. He says if they had eaten fruit they would havae coverred their mouths insteadof their gentials.

drgade answered on 05/08/07:

If that's what " Pastor Murray" said, then he teaches something very different from what God has said about the fall of man.

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MarySusan asked on 05/08/07 - Texas Republican Quotes KKK Leader

Roll Call reports today that a House Republican delivered a foreign policy speech yesterday in which he quoted Nathan Bedford Forrest, founder of the KKK.

"On Monday, Rep. Ted Poe took to the House floor to discuss foreign policy matters. To make a point, the Texas Republican invoked the words of Civil War Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest: “Git thar fustest with the mostest.”

The quotation got some floor watchers’ attention pretty quickly. Forrest is a controversial figure who was one of the Klan’s first grand wizards. Although the Civil War hero (if you were a Confederate, that is) ultimately abandoned the Klan for its violent tactics, he continues to kick up dust.

“Controversial figure” doesn’t quite cut it. Most lists of the **worst Americans in U.S. history** include Nathan Bedford Forrest near the top. That’s what happens when someone creates the KKK to terrorize freed slaves and their allies, after taking up arms against the United States. What on earth would possess a GOP lawmaker to quote Forrest on the House floor?

Poe’s spokesperson told Roll Call, “The reference to Forrest was used in an historical context comparing the request to Congress for support of the Confederate troops to the request that is being made today by our Generals in Iraq.”

First, the comparison doesn’t make any sense. Second, when one bolsters their argument with the words of one of the most controversial Americans ever, rationalizing it as a historical comparison is unpersuasive.

Shouldn’t this be a bigger deal? Given all of the racial problems of the Republican Party, isn’t it rather scandalous for a Republican lawmaker to rely on the words of the founder of the KKK?

Post Script: And, just as an aside, the quote Poe used was wrong.

[A]ccording to historians, Forrest didn’t really say the line that’s so often attributed to him. “Do not, under any circumstances whatever, quote Forrest as saying ‘fustest’ and ‘mostest’,” Civil War scholar Bruce Catton wrote in his 1971 book, “The Civil War.” Catton wrote that Forrest actually believed the essence of strategy — and the proper quote — was “to git thar fust with the most men.”

What’s worse than quoting the founder of the KKK on the House floor? Quoting him incorrectly."

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The KKK had a Christian religious component, as we all know.

Any comments about this incident???

drgade answered on 05/08/07:

I have the heard the saying, “Git thar fustest with the mostest.” many times in my life and may even have used it....BUT NEVER knew it had anything to with the KKK.

But since this Republican used a commmon saying many it doesn't make any difference that he didn't know who said it "fust"....after all, the quoter was already deemed "evil" for being a House Republican.

A bit of bias and prejudice there wouldn't you say?

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JacquelineA2006 asked on 05/08/07 - please tell me what you think....


A friend of mine named Robert who also wrote the blood got into an argument with me last night. i am still pissed off because i know i was right but he would not stop arguing with me. he wanted me to agree with him. he told me that this co-worker that works in my department is a slut. i do not care for her very much but i told him he is not much of a christian if he is calling someone a slut. your not suppose to judge others and it says that right in the bible and he told me that i was wrong! no one else can judge you except for God and it is not for him to judge want someone else does.

he had the nerve to tell me a couple of weeks ago that i am not a Catholic because i have not been to Church in a couple of years. that does not mean i am not a Catholic. i am not a practicing Catholic but to say i am not a Catholic was just not right. i am going to start going to church again thou.:)

drgade answered on 05/08/07:

God is the final is the judge of what is right and what is wrong.

It is only according to His Law that we know what is truely right and wrong. And if we see a Christian living in what God calls sin, then we are to go talk to THEM about it ....and not a friend.

So your friend is out of God's will by both accusing this co-working AND talking to you about it.

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holly_ asked on 05/07/07 - I'm A Native American?

The Book of Mormon is a religious and secular history of the inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere from about 2200 BC to about 421 AD. It tells the reader that the American Indians are descended from three groups of immigrants who were led by God from their original homes in the Near East to America. One group came from the Tower of Babel, and two other groups came from Jerusalem just before the Babylonian Captivity, about 600 BC. They were led by prophets of God who had the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is thus preserved in their history, the Book of Mormon. Many of the descendants of these immigrants were Christians, even before Christ was born in Palestine, but many were unbelievers. Believers and unbelievers fought many wars, the last of which left only degenerate unbelievers as survivors, who are the ancestors of the American Indians.

Please now, lets get real, and don't hate me for asking this question, but after reading many of Peddlers Post's on Mormons, are they for real?
And as a Native American, what am I?
This stuff is frightning me, am I bad Indian or a good one, how can I tell?
And why do people believe in a simple man, because in all reality, this is who that Joe Smith was' no better that you or I?

I much rather believe in the Bible, the true word, than that of any other book.
Thank you experts.

drgade answered on 05/07/07:

We are cautioned by God not to believe/trust in any man whether "simple" or a "prince".

The Bible is the only source of doctrine which will bring us to the Christ for salvation and empower us to walk with God now and forever.

2 Tim 3:14-17
14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
(from New International Version)

God's love is for all peoples of the world without favoratism. The physical descendents of Isreal received promises and blessings from God through Moses. But these were one part of a covenant which also said "You shall be MY people".

Lev 26:12-22
12 I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. 13 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt so that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high.

14 "'But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, 15 and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. 17 I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you.

18 "'If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. 19 I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. 20 Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of the land yield their fruit.

21 "'If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.
(from New International Version)

The only blood line for God is through His Son.

Matt 19:28-30

28 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
(from New International Version)


Acts 4:10-12
It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 He is

"'the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the capstone.'

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
(from New International Version)

Being an Indian, Jew or Gentile merits us nothing extra for salvation since we are all to be in Christ.

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tropicalstorm asked on 05/07/07 - How do YOU

personally show you love the sinner
but hate the sin?

drgade answered on 05/07/07:

If there is a sinner who is to be loved then show them that their sin can be eternally costly if they continue in it.

1. ALL are sinners and sin can bring spiritual death to those who persist in it.

2. This sin is clearly defined in God's Commandments...and not from man.

3. God IS NOT PLEASED with the wicked NOR SEE THEM AS "GOOD".

Mal 2:17
17 You have wearied the LORD with your words.
"How have we wearied him?" you ask.
By saying, "All who do evil are good in the eyes of the LORD, and he is pleased with them" or "Where is the God of justice?"
(from New International Version)

This "love the sinner" statement is not a quote from the Bible and is most often a teaching which misrepresents God's love for all people.

For their to be true justice, evil will meet God's wrath. Only in the blood of Christ is it removed from anyone.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/07/07 - Illegal immigranmts .......................................................


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Should God save illegal immigrants?




drgade answered on 05/07/07:

Illegal immigrants can access the blood of Jesus for their redemption the same as others.

God sometimes even protects those who have become His children when they have stupidly broken civil laws.

But He does tell us that we are to be subject to those laws except when civil laws violate His clearly stated laws.

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MarySusan asked on 05/07/07 - Four Objections to Christian Faith

"There are four irreducible objections to religious faith: (1)that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum of servility with the maximum of solipsism, that (2)it is both the result and (3)the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that (4)it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." Slate an article by Christopher Hitchens.

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Do you agree or disagree with any of the four objections to faith? Why?

Comments?

drgade answered on 05/07/07:

They all sound like the fears of a person with their own guilty conscience. Blaming their feelings on relgion is not going to free them from their own thoughts.

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Chickadee asked on 05/07/07 - Question

Please answer my question, I am confused. Is this a board for Christians?

I am asking because you guys seem to hate each other. Why? Atheists are people too. Christians are people too. Those who don't have any God are people too.

I am a Christian and I luv all people. Come on now, you all can luv each other if you wheely try.

chickadee

drgade answered on 05/07/07:

Jesus did say that we should love our enemies. The love that He spoke of was a love which wanted what was good and profitable for our enemies.

In loving others Jesus applied both Law and Gospel to those He encountered. Knowing that some were walking AWAY from God while saying, or even believing, that they were in the way of God, Jesus rebuked them and sometimes very sternly in order that they might come back to God and be saved.

Matt 9:10-13
11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
(from New International Version)


Matt 12:2-8
2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."

3 He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread-which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
(from New International Version)


Matt 15:1-7
15:1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"

3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6 he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
(from New International Version)


Matt 22:29-32

29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead-have you not read what God said to you, 32'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
(from New International Version)

It is true that some of the Christian experts on this board have let their own anger take over and said things that they PERHAPS should not have said:

James 1:19-20

19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.
(from New International Version)

But then, John that Baptist was likewise called to be such a stern and caustic teacher:

Matt 3:7-10

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
(from New International Version)

The goal of the love God has given us for others is not to make them feel good but bring about their eternal salvation. Even the world understands, "Friends don't let friends(loved ones) drink and drive".

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/07/07 - A Prophecy of JS Fulfilled ......................................... There are any more ..........




Said the Prophet Joseph Smith:

"The enemies of this people will never get weary of their persecution against the Church, until they are overcome. I expect they will array everything against me that is in their power to control, and that we shall have a long and tremendous warfare.

He that will war the true Christian warfare against the corruptions of these last days will have wicked men and angels of devils, and all the infernal powers of darkness continually arrayed against him. When wicked and corrupt men oppose, it is a criterion to judge if a man is warring the Christian warfare.

When all men speak evil of you falsely, blessed are ye. Shall a man be considered bad, when men speak evil of him? No. If a man stands and opposes the world of sin, he may expect to have all wicked and corrupt spirits arrayed against him. But it will be but a little season, and all these afflictions will be turned away from us, inasmuch as we are faithful, and are not overcome by these evils."

(HC5:139-141)

This day is this prophecy fulfilled in thy sight!


drgade answered on 05/07/07:

The prophecy seems to equate this leader with Jesus Christ.

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CeeBee2 asked on 05/06/07 - Let's take a vote. I received this rating response

from hOPE12 today -- "I have read them and they tell lies and false facts. hOPE12".

It sounds to me like no matter what Tom says and how well he says and proves it from the Bible, hOPE12 won't accept it 1) since it comes from Tom with whom she has always disagreed, and 2) since she has her mind already dead-set against even considering any teaching other than one that comes from the Witnesses. She doesn't even dare remark that Tom has a point or maybe wants to know more about something he said. If she does, her house of cards may be in grave danger of falling, and she would feel like she is denying everything she believes.

So, I hereby propose this for your consideration:

We here at AW's Christianity Board respect the rights of both hOPE12 and Toms777 to embrace the beliefs that most satisfy and fulfill them spiritually. We have thus come to this vote:

Vote No, if you wish this particular discussion to end, as it seems to be going nowhere and just uses up board space. Comments are welcome.

Vote Yes, if you think there are still possibilities in this particular discussion - that either hOPE12 or Toms777 might open up to each other's way of believing. Comments are welcome.

Vote Maybe, if you are undecided and think the discussion is at least interesting and has given you food for thought. Comments are welcome.

Abstain. Comments are welcome.

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

They both have their right and it's even allowed by God ..now.

Later, He will separate out the flock.

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HANK1 asked on 05/06/07 - Correct and Proper:


What is your definition of RIGHT or something that is correct and proper in our Western culture? When in life did you determine the difference between right and wrong? (Don't ask me to give you a definition of either. You know what I mean)

HANK

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

According to human understanding and wisdom, there IS NO RIGHT AND WRONG which applies to all. It's all relative.

To the Christian, ALL RIGHT AND WRONG IS DETERMINED BY GOD. At least we know that this is what He intended when He forbid the eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

True, Chrisians often make the mistake of ignoring God's determination and become autonomous (having their own law), but if they love the Lord they will be brought back by God's Law.

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paraclete asked on 05/06/07 - A follow-on from hank's question

Did conscience, ie; the inate knowledge of right and wrong, exist before Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

There was more than conscience. There was always God's Wisdom shown to be both the often appearing Messiah in the OT and the Holy Spirit who moved over the waters at creation.

Prov 3:19-20

19 By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations,
by understanding he set the heavens in place;
20 by his knowledge the deeps were divided,
(from New International Version)


Prov 9:10

10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
(from New International Version)


1 Cor 1:30
30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
(from New International Version)

Conscience can be seared over:

1 Tim 4:1-2
4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
(from New International Version)

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hOPE12 asked on 05/06/07 - To Tropicalstorm

Hello TropicalStorm,

I wanted to show you that my posts originally were not to Tom777. They were to all experts on the board.
I have a series of questions. hOPE12
5/05/07
Hello Experts,

For those who teach God's word as truth, let us reason on this fact.
John 17:3 God tells us to take in Knowledge of him and his son, Jesus christ." Correct??

That being the case then why didn't God just say, if Jesus is God, "take in knowledge of God?

Also notice something else please:
John 17:3 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Take note please how we are told to know the "only True God." (one ) "and Jesus Christ the one Whom you have sent."

If Jesus is God, why wouldn't this scripture just say, "that you may know the only true God?"

This also says:"Whom you sent." Did God send himself??
This scripture also speaks of Jesus Christ as the son. Is God his own Son?

Why would this be like this when the bible shows us that God is not an author of confusion?
1 Corinthians 14:33 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.


33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.


When one reasons on this one scripture, and there are many more, God is not confused, but some men are. The bible is God's word and is truth, we need to reason on what it says.

Notice also when one can not explain what the Bible truly says, they give excuses like this:


"We can not understand everything about God, somethings are just too deep."

Now if God really loves us and wants us to know something, don't you think he would make it very clear and to the point? How could a loving God, judge someone as worthy of death, If He himself does not make things clear and logical to the human mind?
It would be cruel and God is a loving God. 1 John 4:8.

If you have a child and they are in danger of loosing their life, and you could only communicate to them by writing a letter, would you not put into that letter every thing you could possibly thing of, clearly and logically so as to save your child who you love? Would a loving God do any less?

If God who says He loves us, wanted us to know and understand the Trinity doctrine, and our life depended on us knowing this, would He not make it known in a logical and understandable way? The God I serve would. Otherwise to punish or judge any to death would be just plan cruel.

Comments???

Take care,
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Series of questions #2 hOPE12
05/05/07
Hello Everyone,

What is acceptable to God regarding true worship? The Bible answers:
1 Timothy 2:3-4 (New King James Version)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Some have claimed that God hides the truth about such teachings as being “born again” and the “trinity doctrine” from those who will be judged to go to “hell” Let us reason on that also:

But think—if it is God’s will that people should come to know about God and thef truth, would he unfairly conceal it from them? Not according to the Bible, which says:
1 Chronicles 28:9 (New King James Version)
9 “As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever.
Now some might also say: “you forsake God so he cast you off.”
Can that make sense of be a decision of a loving God? Can God of love cast someone off before they understood and was explained in a logical manner the truths of God’s word?

If the trinity is truth and from God, Why can it not be explained fully and logically?

Why do some who claim to support the trinity teaching, not able to explain it themselves?

Would a God who judges us as to life or death, keep such life threatening information from us, if he loves us?

If God judges us and we do not understand what is being said to us, doesn’t that make God cruel and unloving?

Comments????

Take Care,
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Tom777 post directed to me:
Response to hOPE Toms777 05/05/07

hOPE's comments are in red
Hello Experts,

For those who teach God's word as truth, let us reason on this fact.
John 17:3 God tells us to take in Knowledge of him and his son, Jesus christ." Correct??

That being the case then why didn't God just say, if Jesus is God, "take in knowledge of God?

First, we could also say, gee, if I were God I would do ....., but we are not. God's ways are not our ways, so why He chose to things one way or another does not take away our responsible to accept what He did say in the manner in which He said it.

The fact is that He said that Jesus is God so effectively throughout scripture that it is hard to ignore. Even the Watchtower Society has had to make a number of revisions to the NWT to try to remove "the trinitarian bias" which exists in the original languages.

For example, Is 48:16-17 which states that the Redeemer (Jesus) is YHWH. We also have this is Heb 1:8 stated outright and we have Thomas calling Jesus God.

So, it is not up to us to question God's methods, but rather just to accept what He tells us.

Also notice something else please:
John 17:3 (New King James Version)
New King James Version (NKJV)
Copyright © 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc.
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Take note please how we are told to know the "only True God." (one ) "and Jesus Christ the one Whom you have sent."

If Jesus is God, why wouldn't this scripture just say, "that you may know the only true God?"

Why do you keep asking the same question over and over? I answered this on Sept 30 of last year in response to the same question from you.

Let's look at what John 17:1-3 has to say.

John 17:1-4
17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
NKJV

Interestingly, the person who posted this message did not carry on to the next two verses, which read:

John 17:4-5
4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
NKJV

Note that Jesus and the Father shared the same glory together before the world began. Jesus is therefore not, as the Watchtower Society claims, a created being. Indeed, it was Jesus who created everything that is:

Col 1:16-18
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
NKJV

John 17:3 says that God is the only true God. This raises a question. The Watchtower Society translates John 1:1 as follows:

"In [the] Beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god" (1)

If God the Father is the only true God, and Jesus is a god, then the Jehovah's witnesses have a bit of a quandry. Is Jesus there a false god? There interpretation of these verses are contradictory. On the other hand, scripture is clear that God is a trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Here we have no problem in saying that there is one true God, and that Jesus is God.

Scripture is clear.

This also says:"Whom you sent." Did God send himself??

Same old, same old. Same as the question about Him praying to Himself. This type of question can be repeated many different ways, but it is getting stale. I had a Mormon come up with, I believe it was 17 variations of this question.

It was answered a couple of times in the past couple of days. If you really want an answer, read the answer given.

This scripture also speaks of Jesus Christ as the son. Is God his own Son?

Let's let God answer that one:

Heb 1:8
8 But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
NKJV


Tom777’s second reply:

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Response to hOPE #2 Toms777 05/05/07

hOPE's comments in red
Hello Everyone,

What is acceptable to God regarding true worship? The Bible answers:
1 Timothy 2:3-4 (New King James Version)
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Some have claimed that God hides the truth about such teachings as being “born again” and the “trinity doctrine” from those who will be judged to go to “hell” Let us reason on that also:

Tom777 Comments to hope12:
Really? Why don't you show us where anyone has said that. I don't remember seeing anyone say that and to be honest, I don't think that you did either. If anyone did say it, why not provide the quote and reference so that we acn read it in context.

Hope12 Comments:
If the trinity is truth and from God, Why can it not be explained fully and logically?

Why do some who claim to support the trinity teaching, not able to explain it themselves?

Tom777 Comments.
Strawman questions. Who said that they cannot explain the trinity? The concept of the trinity is not that difficult to grasp. What is difficult is that we are trying to undersatnd how God can be what He says that He is because it is so far outside of our frame of reference.

I could ask you questions about God's nature that you could not answer either, for example:

1) JWs claim that Jesus is one God and the Father is another God. How that that be when scripture says that there is only one true God? Does that make Jesus a false God?

2) How can a being be infinitely powerful?

There are other questions that we could ask too which scripture does not fully address on other topics, but does that mean that if we cannot fully comprehend all aspects of something, that it must not be true? Doesn't that approach seem a little arrogant, to think that we must know all things about everything?

hOPE - ever flown on a plane? Can you tell me the principles of flight? Can you ell me how to fly it? Can you tell me how a jet engine works? If not, then why do you believe it?

What about bacteria. Do you know how life can exist so small, and how they manage to infect us and the interaction which takes place between the body and the bacteria to make us sick? Do you know all the cemical processes that take place within a single celled animal? If not, why do you believe it? Is it becaue scientists tell you? Then why would you not believe what the word of God says even if you cannot understand all of it?

Hope12 Comments:
Would a God who judges us as to life or death, keep such life threatening information from us, if he loves us?

Toms Comments:
If this is what the Watchtower is telling you, then don't believe it. God revealed Himself clearly in scripture, along with His gospel.

Hope12 COMMENTS
If God judges us and we do not understand what is being said to us, doesn’t that make God cruel and unloving?

Tom777 Comments:
The JW god maybe, but not the one true God, Father Son and Holy Spirit.
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TropicalStorm,

Please take notice that my original posts were to everyone, not directed to Tom777.
Also please not how Tom777 always brings up the Watchtower and JW’s in his replies. Now am I to just sit back and not defend myself from his attacks?

Take care, just thought you might want proof.
Hope12

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

God has His purpose in "hiding" some things as Jesus explains:

Matt 11:25-27

25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

27 "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
(from New International Version)


Luke 10:21

21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
(from New International Version)

AND OTHER PLACES WHICH SHOW THAT CHRIST IS THE HIDDEN MYSTERY.

1 Cor 2:7-8
o, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
(from New International Version)


Col 1:25-27
25 I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness- 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
(from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 05/06/07 - JJG I agree

the Bible says to plant the seed and let the Holy Spirit grow the seed. We can not play the Holy Spirit or make anybody see or believe the way we see or believe it.

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

I agree too.

Within the bounds of having God as lord, ruler and savior...God likes variety in all that He has created. And WE need to allow that in others.

1 Cor 12:7-11

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 05/06/07 - .."Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice."

..Philippians 1:15-18..........

..15..Some indeed preach Christ even out of envy and strife; and some also of goodwill:

..16..The one preach Christ out of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds.

..17..But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.

..18..What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and we rejoice.


....Paul rejoiced that Christ was preached, without regard to the motives of the preachers....We should do like Paul did...

..Your opinions?????......

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

The WORD, the good news of Christ, has its own power not dependent on the goodness or power of man.

Those who preach are ALL "earthen vessels".

But the gospel which is preached.....

16 "I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile." Rom 1:16
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 05/06/07 - .."For he that's not against us is on our part."...

..Mark 9:38-41..........

..38..And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

..39..But Jesus said, Forbad him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

..40.. For he that's not against us is on our part.

..41.. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.


..."Other Christians", whoever they may be, are the servants of Christ too....and they must answer to Christ!!!...So remember what Jesus said: "For he that's not against us is on our part.".......


...Your opinions????......

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

There is a balance between your passage and this one:

Luke 11:23

23 "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters.
(from New International Version)

It all comes down to whether a person is "a Christian" or not.....and this IS A JUDGEMENT FOR GOD ALONE.(as you intimated)

But those who call themselves Christians and do not allow Him to be their Lord will soon lose their power and hope from God.

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arcura asked on 05/06/07 - Another "famous" atheist spouts off....................

So-called freethinker Susan Jacoby atheist writes in the Newsweek/Washington Post log, “The church has still not given up trying to force its version of morality on other Americans.”
I noted that she did not mention the method or instrument used to do that forcing.
I also noted that she did not make it a balance objective statement by admitting that she and her ilk were trying to impose their secular views on the most religious nation in the developing word.
Question:
Do you think that atheists are ever going to be honest and admit that they are trying to impose their agenda on others?

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

NO! They are truely blind to the concept that taking away/repealing/forbidding what others have is still "forcing".

They want to believe that there is a neutral between good and evil even though their own personal faulty actions should teach them better.

Rom 1:21b-22, 24
but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
(from New International Version)

When people turn from God so far that He "gives them up", they are already entering death.

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MarySusan asked on 05/06/07 - The Fall of the Political Right

"....Religion has been a sacred cow. But the excesses of Christian power and the violent madness of Islamic fundamentalism have changed that. Now atheist books are on the best-seller list. Because it is necessary, it has become respectable to genuinely question why and how and what people believe. Theological thinking, itself, has been revealed as bankrupt. It is almost impossible to overstate how disastrous the eight years of Bush are going to turn out to be for the Republican Party and for the right. It is not entirely visible yet, but this tumble downhill is going to turn out to be a fall off a cliff"......

..excerpt from Larry Beinhart, Blogging

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So, for those who don't understand why so many people are attacking bankrupt American fundiChristianity.....this is a real good explanation. :)

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

The following is not from a selfrighteous blogger but from righteous God who created him. (And yes, will judge him)

Matt 16:17-19

17 Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
(from New International Version)

The critics of God are not going to change God or His determinations.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/06/07 - #1 - What's wrong with this passage? ....................................



Job 18:6
6 The light shall be dark in his tabernacle, and his candle shall be put out with him.


What is wrong with this passage?



drgade answered on 05/06/07:

It is taken out of its immediate context and a poor translation of the Hebrew:

Job 18:5-7

5 "The lamp of the wicked is snuffed out;
the flame of his fire stops burning.
6 The light in his tent becomes dark;
the lamp beside him goes out.
7 The vigor of his step is weakened;
his own schemes throw him down.
(from New International Version)

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/06/07 - #2 - What's wrong with this passage?




Exodus 25:31
31 ¶ And thou shalt make a candlestick [of] pure gold: [of] beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.



drgade answered on 05/06/07:

Primarily, it is a difficult version of translation:

Ex 25:31

31 "Make a lampstand of pure gold and hammer it out, base and shaft; its flowerlike cups, buds and blossoms shall be of one piece with it.
(from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 05/06/07 - one for Peddles to enjoy

Humans and Neanderthals Might Have Interbred

By Andrea Thompson
LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 30 October 2006
05:05 pm ET



As modern humans spread across Europe tens of thousands of years ago, they may have interbred with Neanderthals, creating hybrids, according to a new study of ancient human bones from Romania.

Anthropologists have long wondered what happened when the two species met as modern humans spread from Africa into Neanderthal territory in Eurasia: did the populations interbreed or did modern humans simply replace their cousins?

The specimens examined and dated for the first time in this study show that “at least in Europe, the populations blended,” said study author Erik Trinkaus of Washington University.

The study compared the fragments, including a skull [image] and jaw [image], to bones of Neanderthals, early modern humans in Africa before they spread, and in Europe afterward. Trinkaus said that he and his colleagues found certain features that could have only come from Neanderthals, because early modern humans lost them before they spread from Africa.

They found a swelling at the back of skull, called an occipital bun, which is the result of differential brain growth and is commonly found in Neanderthal skulls. Also, the arrangement of muscle attachment at the back of the jaw was a trait of Neanderthals.

This evidence of interbreeding shows that “[the two groups] saw each other as socially appropriate mates,” Trinkaus said.

Early modern humans and Neanderthals were two branches of the human family tree that differed primarily in the anatomical pattern, with humans eventually becoming the dominate pattern. Though humans and Neanderthals were different species, Trinkaus points out that most closely related species that haven not been separated for long amounts of time can still breed and produce fertile offspring.

It is possible that people with European ancestry could also have Neanderthal ancestry, according to Trinkaus, though how much is uncertain.

Prior to this study, the remains were largely forgotten because “there was serious doubt as to their age,” Trinkaus said. When the remains were discovered in a Romanian cave in the early 1950s, prior to carbon dating, they were not embedded in a rock layer that might indicate their age. Because the bones essentially looked like those of an early modern human, they received little attention inside Romania and were unknown outside the country.

Some scientists dispute that there was any overlap between the two species, but Trinkaus dismisses these claims. “There was an overlap,” Trinkaus said, though anthropologists are unsure as to how long the two species co-existed.

According to Trinkaus, anthropologists have “securely dated” modern humans in Romania at 35,000 years ago and Neanderthals in Spain at 30,000 years ago.

“We don’t have a site where we have a human and a Neanderthal buried next to each other,” Trinkaus said. “I’m still waiting for that.”

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

If people believe in Neanderthals as separate from humans, then a question would naturally occur as to what happened to the Neanderthals.

If what are called Neanderthals are just humans with different genetic racial characteristics, then there doesn't need to be a search.
But then, that wouldn't sell books, documentaries or speaking engagements.

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Chickadee asked on 05/06/07 - Oh my!

I think I am on the wrong board. Which board is this?
Chickadee

drgade answered on 05/06/07:

It was intended to be a Q&A board where people could ask questions about Christ and Christianity. However, various atheist, agnostics and heathen thought it would be better if it were "fair and balanced"..actually "divided" between Christians and antiChrists.

2 Cor 6:14-16
or what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?
(from New International Version)

But you can still post "private" questions to the Christians without fear of ridicule.

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HANK1 asked on 05/05/07 - Did they really live that long in Genesis?



According to Christian Apologetics, they did:


"So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years, and he died, (Gen. 5:7).
So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years, and he died, (Gen. 5:11).
So all the days of Kenan were nine hundred and ten years, and he died," (Gen. 5:14).
"So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years, and he died," (Gen. 5:17).
"So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years, and he died," (Gen. 5:20).
"So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years, and he died," (Gen. 5:27).
"So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years, and he died," (Gen. 5:31)."

How is it possible for people to live that long?

HANK

drgade answered on 05/05/07:

It's all theoretical but it has long (hundreds of years)been taught by theologians that the world/environment was far different and better back then.

Man had not yet polluted his living space with things dangerous to their own health. It was believed that man had "pure blood" not ravaged by diseases. God even allowed brothers and sisters to marry each other and have children without the present evil consequence.

In today's world people of prosperous natioins ARE living longer than many of the centuries of the past. We attribute that to having better food and health care.

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arcura asked on 05/05/07 - How many saw or heard about the History Channel

Special called “The Lost Tomb of Jesus”?
It was produced by James Cameron, the guy who directed the Oscar winning movie “Titanic”.
As it turns out Cameron is getting much criticism, flack, and ribbing over the tomb film. Now even the History Channel is backing away from it is several ways including NOT offering the film for sale.
Cameron should never have said he has proof that Jesus was buried there.
WHY?
Because the film is full of errors that if Cameron had done some double and triple checking it he would never have produced it as the name of the title indicates.
Some examples, the ossuary which was claimed to be that of Jesus turned out to be for a person called “Hanun”.
The ossuary which was claimed to hold Mary Magdelene’ remains really held the remains of a person names “Mara”.
On top of the tiny DNA samples turned out to be useless.
It looks like that effort was just another attempt to make headlines out of a fiction by making it seem to be authentic.
1. Did you see the film run?
2. If so what did you think of it at the time in ran?
3. Was it convincing?
4. What do you think of it now?

drgade answered on 05/05/07:

Jesus has told us that those oppossed to Him would be liars just like their father.

John 8:44
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
(from New International Version)

But the devil teaches his followers that they should tell big lies and keep on telling them. Some people are easily deceived.

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lglynn5 asked on 05/05/07 - Did you know..

that ONE THIRD..of the Jews today..will live to be very old..as in the days of Adam?

Have a good day.

In Christ, Lynn

drgade answered on 05/05/07:

No, I didn't know that.

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hOPE12 asked on 05/05/07 - Here now its your turn:

Jesus is not a true Almighty God with a capital G becayse there is only one God Jehovah. Jesus is a god with a lower case g because he is subject to his father Jehovah God. Jesus is in a high position at the right hand of God and will rule as king of Jehovah God's new Kingdom. That is why Jesus sits at the right hand of God and is a god, because he is second to God, Jehovah.

Now please answer my questions Tom777, stop trying to avoid them. Why is God's name Jehovah removed from the New King James Bible but not from the King James Bible? Could it raise the question as to who is Jehovah?
Hope12

drgade answered on 05/05/07:

How the Son could have been from before time, with the Father is not comprehendable by man. Does our inadequacy negate what the Word (another designation given to Jesus) says?

Of the Son of God-and-Son of man the Word says:

Isa 9:6-7
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
(from New International Version)


Matt 25:31-32

31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory.
(from New International Version)


Heb 1:8-9

8 But about the Son he says,

"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy."
(from New International Version)

Jesus' human nature along with His body came into being at a certain time in history. But His divine nature has always been God.

Heb 10:5-7

5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

"Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, 'Here I am-it is written about me in the scroll-
I have come to do your will, O God.'"
(from New International Version)



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PrinceHassim asked on 05/04/07 - Made in God's image ....




What does it mean to you when someone says "We are all made in Gods image"? Does it mean we look like God?

When Paul wrote of Jesus that he is "in the brightness of [God's] glory, and the express image of his person" did he mean that Jesus looked like God the Father?

Mormons believe that we [the people] are made [formed, fashioned, or created] in the image of God.

Why do we believe that?
Because after God had created the Heavens and the Earth. He came down and on the sixth day said let us make man in our own image.

In whose image?
In the image of God created they them.
Male and female: innocent harmless and spotless bearing the same character and the same image as God.

And when man fell he did not lose his image, but his character, whilst still retaining the image of his maker Jesus Christ who is the image of man and who is also the express image of his Father's person, according to Paul.

"For in him [Christ] dwelt the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Why?
Because He was the brightness of his glory; and the express image of God's person.

What person?
God's person, according to Hebrews 1:3 verse

And through the atonement of Christ and the resurrection and obedience in the Gospel we shall again be conformed to the image of his Son Jesus Christ, then we shall have attained to the image glory and character of God.

What does humanity being made in the image of God suggest to you?

Study Aids:

In Gen 1.26, 'image' is from 'tselem' meaning:

1) image
1a) images (of tumours, mice, heathen gods)
1b) image, likeness (of resemblance)
1c) mere, empty, image, semblance (figurative)

In Hebrews, 'image' is from ''charakter' meaning:

an impression;
the exact expression (the image) of any person or thing,
marked likeness,
precise reproduction in every respect,
facsimile.


Do you think the Bible means what it says when it says that man is made in the image of God, and that Jesus is in the image of his Father?


drgade answered on 05/04/07:

Man WAS created in the image of God. But something died when man rebelled against God and chose to believe and follow the serpent rather than God.

Gen 2:16-17
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
(from New International Version)

They didn't fall over dead, so it wasn't their physical being that died. And the Tree of Life was taken away as further punishment so the body made from the earth would eventualy die.

It is said of Seth, the son of Adam and Eve that he was born in another image than that of God:

Gen 5:3

3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.
(from New International Version)

The image and likeness of Adam was corrupted by sin and all born of man since then inherited this defect.

I am SURE that no human knows EXACTLY what the "image of God" is. The Greek word in the NT is "icon": a likeness or representation.

The only places in the NT where man is said to be in the image of God:

only of a man who is praising God, and thus converted.

a number of passages telling us that Christ is in the image of God.

and places in Revelation speaking about the "image" of the beast.

The Bible DOES TEACH that this image IS BEING restored, which indicates that all born of man have something missing:

OTHER PLACES WHERE THIS SAME WORD (ICON) IS USED (though not all are translated "image" in this version) ARE:

Rom 8:29
29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
(from New International Version)


1 Cor 15:49
49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
(from New International Version)


2 Cor 3:18
18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
(from New International Version)

Col 3:9-10
since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
(from New International Version)






















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JacquelineA2006 asked on 05/04/07 - The Blood


Soldiers of fortune, bought by his blood.
mercy over flowing, like water of a flood.
Guarding our hearts with the double-edged sword.
Fending off Satan and all of his hordes.
Fighting the battle till the last of his fall.
answering God's will, living the call.
When I speak about Jesus they don't like it at all.
To the wicked it seems kind of dull.
Believe it or not, Jesus died for sin once and for all.
Subscetionary death on the cross.
Three days later he rose and said who's the boss. Right there at cavary is where you get your sins tossed.
So, you can be in God's Holy clouch.
Come thristy, no heart too dry for his touch.
Pills do not work, they may numb the pain.
Let Christ bathe your soul like a long-awaited summer rain.

drgade answered on 05/04/07:

Nice.

But, I never heard of "subscetionary". "Substitutionary"-yes.

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HANK1 asked on 05/04/07 - A Christian Post:



Kindness always overcomes unkindness. You cannot compel a nasty, vicious person to change his/her ways through your own kindness. Thinking you can leads only to physical or psychological abuse. In most cases, it makes more sense to walk away. But behavior is often reinforced by its immediate results. IF YOU REPAY NASTINESS WITH NICENESS, YOU'RE SIMPLY ENCOURAGING THE PERSON TO CONTINUE BEING NASTY.

EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO COURTEOUS AND FAIR TREATMENT.

HANK

drgade answered on 05/04/07:

The way that Christians look at it is that we are serving God FIRST and His desire is that we be kind/loving without expecting anything from the other person.

Matt 25:40

40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
(from New International Version)


Eph 6:7-8
7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.
(from New International Version)

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HANK1 asked on 05/04/07 - HELLO THERE, EARTHLINGS:



I have proven that the only ones on this Board who use vugarity are ATHEISTS. This, of course, make them sub-standard in comparison to Christians.

No need to post anymore vulgarities. They won't be recognized by the King of Answerway!

HANK



drgade answered on 05/04/07:

It is true that two people can use the same word and for one it is a "vulgarity" and for the other is isn't.

OR...think how many people say "God" and MEAN IT as a vulgarity while others mean it as a respectful word.

Titus 1:14-15
. 15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
(from New International Version)

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Bobbye asked on 05/04/07 - MELCHIZEDEK!

Was Jesus "after the Order of Melchizedek" in "ETERNALITY" ONLY, or was He "after the Order of Melchizedek" due to the fact that Jesus, like Melchizedek, WAS NOT OF THE TRIBE OF LEVI (the priestly tribe)?

What think ye?

I'm well aware of the teaching of "eternality," but there has to be more in Scripture regarding the Melchizedek Order of Priesthood other than the simple explanation that "Melchizedek had no father or mother;" therefore, he was "eternal." This is not true. He lived, he died, etc. Therefore, he was a person.

Melchizedek's heritage (son of Shem or son of Canaan?)and his position as King of Justice (his name meaning "Justice") and "King of Peace" from the name of his city, "Salem" has not been adequately referenced nor taught -- in my opinion.

Elliot, I hope that you and Ronnie (whom I feel has much to offer re this subject) share your thoughts.

Thanks.
Bobbye

drgade answered on 05/04/07:

Melchizedek appears with no special heritage under the laws given to the Isrealites.

Jesus was of that same order. The OT speaks a lot about the line of Judah and child of Jesse and David even though they were not the priestly class and had no heritage in being priests. This is one of the descriptions of Jesus :

Isa 11:1-5

A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. 2 The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him--the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,the Spirit of counsel and of power,the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD-- 3 and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.
He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. 5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
(from New International Version)

The priest, Melchizedek, is another of those "types" of Christ, like Joshua, Moses, Abraham, etc, etc. who lived as servents of God and were fortelling by their lives what the true Messiah would be.

These people are in lieu of "referencing" Jesus. He is unique as His Father is unique.

1 Cor 2:16-3:1

16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"

But we have the mind of Christ.

(from New International Version)

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Toms777 asked on 05/04/07 - Response to hOPE re Trinity


hOPE's comments in red
1)Matthew 3:17 (New King James Version)
17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
If Jesus is God, did he use Ventriloquism to say this? How did he do this Tom777? Please explain in a logical way why Jesus if God would say: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” I did not use my copy of the Bible but yours tom. New King James Version.

I already explained this to you on March 22 and then earlier today so why you are asking again, I do not know. But let me just add to what I said earlier that we have one person of the trinity speaking to another person of the trinity in various places in the Bible. Here is another:

Heb 1:5-8
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
"You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You"?

And again:

"I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son"?

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

"Let all the angels of God worship Him."

7 And of the angels He says:

"Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire."

8 But to the Son He says:

"Your throne, O God,
is forever and ever;
NKJV


2)
The disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God
himself.
1 Timothy 2:5 (New King James Version)
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Since by definition a mediator is someone separate from those who need mediation, it would be a contradiction for Jesus to be one entity with either of the parties he is trying to reconcile. That would be a pretending to be something he is not. Please explain. Also why would Jesus if God be a mediator between himself? Would he ask a question to himself and then answer it? How does this mediator part work?

Let’s read 1 Tim 2:5:

1 Tim 2:5-6
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
NKJV

Now let’s have a look at it in the wider context:

1 Tim 2:1-7
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle--I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying--a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
NKJV

Let’s look at 1 Tim 2:3 more closely:

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yes indeed God is our Saviour. We know that Jesus is our Saviour (John 3:16) so this clearly shows Jesus is God. We find that stated elsewhere in scripture as well:

2 Peter 1:1-2
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
NKJV

So we know that Jesus is God. How many gods are there?

Isa 44:8
Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.'"
NKJV

So Jesus is the one true God. Yet we know that there is God the father and the Holy Spirit who are also God, thus we have the three persons of the trinity. Being separate persons of the trinity, Jesus is able to mediate between God and man, and further he is uniquely qualified having walked with us on the earth as the Son of Man and the Son of God:

Heb 4:14-16
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
NKJV

This is more than enough to make the point, but let’s yet look at the other two verses:

Gal 3:20-22
Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.
NKJV

This verse simply emphasizes what has already been said and further emphasizes that there is only one God.

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
NKJV

Again, this just emphasizes Jesus’ role as our high priest and advocate.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
NKJV

An interesting verse. When one denies that Jesus is God, they are indeed denying the true God, and indeed denying the one true God which includes the Father and the Son as two persons. In so doing, anyone who denies Jesus is God or denies the Father and the Son are God is said to be of the “antichrist”. This is a warning that we dare not ignore.

So if we have three distinct persons, then there is no issue with respect to your concerns. One person can act as the mediator, and another as the Father.

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What about Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane? Notice the New king James Version:

Mark 14:32-36 (New King James Version)
32 Then they came to a place which was named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 And He took Peter, James, and John with Him, and He began to be troubled and deeply distressed. 34 Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch.”
35 He went a little farther, and fell on the ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him. 36 And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.”

Luke 22:39-43 (New King James Version)
39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him. 40 When He came to the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.”
41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

If Jesus is God then why would he pray to himself? Also if Jesus was God there would be no need for him to call himself “Father, and then say: ““ if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

Now if Jesus is God why would he pray to himself to please= remove the cup from him? Could he not have removed it himself?

This was addressed when I answered the question about praying to himself earlier. If you want me to make this longer by copying and pasting it again, i can, but unless you ask, I will assume that you can read the answer that I gave on March 22 and then earlier today.

If Jesus is God then would not he have the same will?

This is a good question. Why would gthat be? Because again, to be a perfect man, God came to earth manifest in the flesh. As a man, He had to be subject to the same temptations as the rest of us:

Heb 4:14-16
15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
NKJV

He was fully man and fully God. While on earth as a man, He became the perfect man, a man who did what the rest of us should have done and that is submitted Himself fully to the Father. The fact that He has a distinct will is only because He is a distinct person. But in no way did His will differ from the Father because He wholly submitted His will to the Father.

And if Jesus was God why would he need an inferior spirit angle to strengthen him? After all is not God more Powerful then and angel? If we are to believe that Jesus is God, then you are saying that the angel that God created is stronger then God himself? How can that be?

Phil 2:7-9
8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
NKJV

Note. He did come with our weakness, but humbled Himself. he chose to come with all the weaknesses of men so that He would be one of us. Don't forget that Jesus had the glory of God previously:

John 17:5
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
NKJV

But willingly humbled Himself to become a man. He did not cease to be God, but put aside His glory so that He could live and suffer as one of us.

The Bible pages do indeed say it all.

drgade answered on 05/04/07:

Yes, the Bible is filled with words about the Word of God Who created the world and then came into the world to redeem mankind when it became corrupted.

What worldly wisdom cannot encompass, and always stumbles over it that Jesus had two "natures" being fully man and being fully God. (Who can grasp such things?)
When the theologians wrote the Athenasian Creed they were trying to explain this...but since it can't be known except by the wisdom of God, they could not perfect their explanation, even though we Christians know what they wrote was correct.

Looking up all the passages in the OT which speak of the "branch" or the "stone" gives a good description of the "Annointed One" of Isreal and those of us Gentiles who have been grafted on.

If you wonder about why people don't like you words, read the last line of the last passage below.



Zech 3:8-9
8 "'Listen, O high priest Joshua and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come: I am going to bring my servant, the Branch. 9 See, the stone I have set in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will remove the sin of this land in a single day.
(from New International Version)


Ps 118:22-24
22 The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
23 the LORD has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes.
24 This is the day the LORD has made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(from New International Version)


Matt 21:42-46
42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures:

"'The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes'?

43 "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd
(from New International Version)

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hOPE12 asked on 05/04/07 - Follow up on the Trinity for Tom777

Hello Tom777,
This is what the New King James Bible says tom. Your copy of the Bible that you use.
Please be so kind to explain just these three scriptures so they make sense. Answer just these three question. Don’t quote a whole bunch of stuff, just be simple and to the point.

1)Matthew 3:17 (New King James Version)
17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
If Jesus is God, did he use Ventriloquism to say this? How did he do this Tom777? Please explain in a logical way why Jesus if God would say: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” I did not use my copy of the Bible but yours tom. New King James Version.
2)
The disciples viewed Jesus as the “one mediator between God and men,” not as God
himself.
1 Timothy 2:5 (New King James Version)
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

Since by definition a mediator is someone separate from those who need mediation, it would be a contradiction for Jesus to be one entity with either of the parties he is trying to reconcile. That would be a pretending to be something he is not. Please explain. Also why would Jesus if God be a mediator between himself? Would he ask a question to himself and then answer it? How does this mediator part work?

3)
What about Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane? Notice the New king James Version:

Mark 14:32-36 (New King James Version)
32 Then they came to a place which was named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 And He took Peter, James, and John with Him, and He began to be troubled and deeply distressed. 34 Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch.”
35 He went a little farther, and fell on the ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the hour might pass from Him. 36 And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.”

Luke 22:39-43 (New King James Version)
39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him. 40 When He came to the place, He said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.”
41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

If Jesus is God then why would he pray to himself? Also if Jesus was God there would be no need for him to call himself “Father, and then say: ““ if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” 43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him.

Now if Jesus is God why would he pray to himself to please= remove the cup from him? Could he not have removed it himself?

If Jesus is God then would not he have the same will?

And if Jesus was God why would he need an inferior spirit angle to strengthen him? After all is not God more Powerful then and angel? If we are to believe that Jesus is God, then you are saying that the angel that God created is stronger then God himself? How can that be?

Please answer these question logically and simply and to the point and from the Bible. Then maybe I might listen to you Tom777. Until then, the Bible printed pages say it all.

Hope12

drgade answered on 05/04/07:

It would be nice if God would just fit into our "logic". We always feel like we are in control if we can reason it with our minds.

Read Job again. Job's friends, and even his wife, had it figured out. But, in truth, they knew nothing.

The "wisdom of God" is often contrasted with the wisdom of the world(man's logic and reasoning) as most of the book of Proverbs teaches. There is nothing "logical" about Jesus because there is nothing to compare Him with in heaven or on earth.

James 3:15
15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual,
(from New International Version)


1 Cor 1:20-21

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
(from New International Version)


1 John 4:1-6
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
(from New International Version)

1 Cor 2:10-16

10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:

16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?"

But we have the mind of Christ.
(from New International Version)



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PrinceHassim asked on 05/03/07 - Questions of the Age .............................................


Each age has had its own questions to discuss. The first age of the Christian era when the Greek mind was predominant, dealt with the question of the Deity, and, finally, formulated the doctrine of the Trinity, as now known in the so-called Orthodox world.

To the following age, under Roman influence, fell the task of studying man in his relation to God, and the doctrine of sin and grace, as taught by Augustine and later church fathers.

The age of the Reformation took up the question of God's plan of salvation, and formulated the doctrine of justification by faith, as promulgated by Luther and others. But it is evident to all who know the Scriptures, that the world has not been led into the truth on any of these important questions.

In the doctrine of the Deity the influence of pagan philosophy is more prominent than that of the Bible.

The doctrine of predestination, as traced to Augustine, is, essentially, fatalism, such as was taught by the Stoics.

The doctrine of justification by faith has, in some respects, become a cover for spiritual indolence, and even for licentiousness, so thick as to keep the justice of God out of view.

What do you consider the question of this present age?


drgade answered on 05/04/07:

The question which is being most discussed for the last 100 years has been the present power of God, the Holy Spirit.

All the "questions" you set forth have ALWAYS been discussed according to the Bible. God spoke of Justification through the one "Seed" even in the Garden of Eden. The concept of the Trinity is in the creation account where God,( "We" ) created as is later more fully explained by the statements of the Bible that the Son of God created all things.

People may have their interest peaked at different times, but the teachings of God are from the beginning and they are eternal.

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/03/07 - Is Jesus dead? ............


The first Article of Religion of the Church of England, entitled "Of Faith in the Holy Trinity," sets forth this view:

"There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." (Book of Common Prayer.)

If Jesus is God, and if Jesus was resurrected, and if God has no body, what did Jesus do with the body that was restored to him at his resurrection?



drgade answered on 05/04/07:

We really know nothing about the resurrected body which the Son of God has now. To assume that it is like our body now is only an assumption with no basis from God's Word.

But that He was "given" a body when He came from heaven and that He has a body after His resurrection is sure according to God's Word:

Heb 10:5

5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

"Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
(from New International Version)


1 John 3:1-3
2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
(from New International Version)

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/03/07 - The Trinity in the New Testament



It is a matter of record that the Nicene doctrine of the Trinity is a postbiblical development-it is simply not found in the New Testament. In one of the major Christian treatments of the doctrine of the Trinity, Jesuit scholar Edmund J. Fortman, having examined the various parts of the New Testament individually, notes that "there is no trinitarian doctrine in the Synoptics or Acts." He also observes that in the New Testament "nowhere do we find any trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead," and that "in John there is no trinitarian formula."

Concerning the letters of Paul, Fortman states: These passages give no doctrine of the Trinity, but they show that Paul linked together Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They give no trinitarian formula... but they offer material for the later development of trinitarian doctrine· [Paul] has no formal trinitarian doctrine and no clear-cut realization of a trinitarian problem, but he furnishes much material for the later development of a trinitarian doctrine. After examining all parts of the New Testament, Fortman concludes that the classical doctrine of the Trinity is not biblical: "There is no formal doctrine of the Trinity in the New Testament writers, if this means an explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. But the three are there, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and a triadic ground plan is there, and triadic formulas are there .... The Biblical witness to God, as we have seen, did not contain any formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, any explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons."

Biblical theology affirms the threefold nature of the Godhead; but lacks any indication of a Nicene understanding. The scholarly consensus is further affirmed in Harper's Bible Dictionary:

"The formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.'"

If it is not taught in the Bible, why then is it believed? Is it one of those handed down concepts that no one questions?


drgade answered on 05/04/07:

People to whom Christ is the smell of death have ALWAYS questioned this teaching of the Bible and will not stop till they have to face Jesus Christ their judge.
The scripture says that He, Jesus, will judge....but only God, the Great "I Am" will judge. So read carefully:

John 5:25-27
25 I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
(from New International Version)


John 8:15-19
15 You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16 But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17 In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. 18 I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me."

19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?"

"You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
(from New International Version)


John 8:54-59

54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."

57 "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"

58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I AM!"
(from New International Version)

This teaching of Christ as being God is nothing new to the NT. The Christ is even given the name of "God , Father, Counselor":

Isa 9:6-7
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.
(from New International Version)

But He is the rock over which people have always stumbled and was even crucified by those who said they followed God on the grounds that "He made Himself equal with God" Yes, He did....because He is.

2 Cor 2:15-16
5 For we are to God the aroma of Christ among those who are being saved and those who are perishing. 16 To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life.
(from New International Version)









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Toms777 asked on 05/03/07 - Debate over the Existence of God

Actor Kirk Cameron and best-selling author Ray Comfort will square off with two atheists in New York on Saturday, May 5. ABC originally planned to stream the 90-minute debate LIVE on their website, but decided to reschedule the broadcast to capture a larger audience. They will broadcast the entire debate on ABC.com on Wednesday, May 9 at 2:00 p.m. EST. The debate will be moderated by Martin Bashir, and on May 9 a shortened version of the debate will be aired on Nightline also on Wednesday 9th.

Comfort -- who claims he can prove the existence of God, scientifically, without mentioning faith or the Bible -- stated, "The network originally offered me only four minutes to present my case. After speaking with Kirk and conferring with the atheists, they settled on 13 minutes. I'm ecstatic. I can prove the existence of God in that amount of time.

"We are very grateful to ABC for taking this courageous step," Comfort continued. "As far as we know, nothing like this has ever been done before. ABC's website is already the 7th most visited news site, with 19 million visitors every month. But with more than 177 million people in the U.S. who call themselves Christians, we are sure that it will draw an even larger viewing audience. Is there actually evidence for God? That's the most important question any of us will ever consider."

Cameron added, "We are excited that the network has decided to do this, because we have something very relevant to present. Most people think that belief in God is simply a matter of blind faith, and that His existence can't be proven. We will not only prove that God exists, but as an ex-atheist I'll show that the issue keeping so many people from believing in God -- Darwinian evolution -- is completely unscientific. It's a fairy-tale for grownups."

The debate came about after ABC ran a story in January about hundreds of atheists videotaping themselves blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

"But," Comfort continued, "there is something more sinister here than a few people not believing in God. Why would so many be so bitter against Christianity in particular? Why aren't they making videos that blaspheme Buddha or Mohammed or Ghandi? We made our own video clip and posted it on www.Hollywoodblasphemy.com to expose why.

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Do you plan to watch this? This question is especially focused towards the atheists on here.

drgade answered on 05/04/07:

I'm looking forward to it!

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PrinceHassim asked on 05/03/07 - Joseph Smith Testifies of Jesus Christ ...

"And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God."
—Doctrine and Covenants 76:22-24[p.iii]

drgade answered on 05/03/07:

I agree with all.

(Except the last line and that really has nothing to do with the witness to Christ. Not all the inhabitants of the earth are born of/"unto" God. They must be "reborn" to be God's children.)

Much of the witness comes from John's Gospel:

John 1:1-14
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV



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Professor asked on 05/03/07 - Christian participation -



The term antichrist is only found in the epistles of John (1 John 2:18,22; 4:3; 2 John 7). The antichrist is the one who opposes Christ and thus God. The antichrist is an eschatological (end times) person who will appear and deceive countless people near the time of Christ's return. The antichrist is associated with Satan and will be aided by demonic forces in his unholy movement against God and in his attempt to rule the nations of the world. Most scholars agree that the antichrist will claim to be God and will rule many nations in Europe and bring the world to the brink of destruction.

Paul does not use the term "antichrist." Instead, he uses the term "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thess. 2:3 to describe an evil person who will stand in great opposition to God and His people.

Why are Christians participating on this Board? I suggest we turn it over to the Experts who oppose Christ.

Your Professor

drgade answered on 05/03/07:

Antichrists can also apply to ANY who have known Christ but have left Him and the fellowship of true believers to oppose Him.

1 John 2:18

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come.
(from New International Version)

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hOPE12 asked on 05/03/07 - Something that can benefit us all.

Hello Everyone,

While reading the Bible this morning I came across this scripture. Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely.—Col. 3:13.


I personally gained insight and learned from this scripture. I wanted to share it here on this board. After meditating on Col. 3:13, I thought.

Differences or misunderstandings may develop between two Christians. One may have a valid cause for complaint against another. Usually, such situations can be resolved by applying the above counsel.

I certainly will be the first to admitt, following this advice is not easy, but humility will help us put it into practice. Sometimes as Christians we may feel that a valid cause for complaint is too serious to be covered over.

That is when humility will help us to approach the alleged offender with a view to restoring peace. Matt. 18:15

One reason that problems between Christians sometimes persist is that one or perhaps both parties are too proud to admit being at fault. Or the one who takes the initiative to approach the other may do so in a self-righteous, or a critical manner. In contrast, a genuinely humble attitude will go a long way toward solving many differences.

Having said that I hereby declare peace between me and anyone who I have offended on this board in the past. I wish to start over and if I have offended you personally I hereby offer my sincere apology. I hereby no longer reply in any way shape or form unless I can add something positive to the board. Christians are to upbuild others, not tear them down or degrade them. Also for those who have offendfed me, I forgive you. I will no longer discuss the offense nor will I bring up any offenses from the past that were towards me.

I am a Christian and I plan on conducting myself as one, but even before I conduct myself as a Christian, I first must treat others with respect that one human being should have for another.

I have learned for Col 3:13, and I just wanted to share what I have learned from that Bible verse.

Have a really nice day.
Take care,
Hope12

drgade answered on 05/03/07:

Not being perfect ourselves, we (Christians) will not expect you to be perfect in this matter either.

We all make mistakes and we are all assaulted by the devil, the world and our own selfish flesh to pay people back. The way of God's guidance for His children is that we confess when we have gone wrong and seek forgiveness from the one wronged.

That forgiveness may not be GIVEN is on the head to those who rarely forgive. Thus, St Paul says:

Rom 12:18-19
18 "IF IT IS POSSIBLE, AS FAR AS IT DEPENDS ON YOU, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: 'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,; says the Lord."
(from New International Version)

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Professor asked on 05/03/07 - Finally .. the end is in sight:



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drgade answered on 05/03/07:

Is this something that was posted recently?

The old rules "used to be" enforced, but sometime earlier this year the Powers That Be seem to have given up on restraining the lawless.

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JesseJamesDupree asked on 05/03/07 - Would you vote for this............man???????????:)

drgade answered on 05/03/07:

As comedian of the year? Yes.

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Tempus-Omnia-Revelat asked on 05/03/07 - Hello all. Just call me TOR!


Is this really the Christianity Board?

drgade answered on 05/03/07:

Yes, it is. The many Experts who say they are atheists have defined it as a website where Chrisianity is one of the topics.

But Christ and His wisdom do dwell in the hearts of many other Experts here. So, ask any question or share your faith with us.

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arcura asked on 05/03/07 - Could it be possible that some atheists go..............

to heaven?
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I just got done reading an interesting article by a self described former evangelical theologian who said that virtuous atheists may go to be with God.
Atheists who do not reject God by just live without Him virtuously that is.
Do you think that God is so loving that he would that an atheist who lived by natural law (you know, the right to life, liberty, no stealing, lying, etc.) that He would take that atheist to be with Him after death of the body?
Personally I do not know, BUT, I do hope so.
I very much favor peace and kindness.
Your comments please,

drgade answered on 05/03/07:

As long as they have not committed any sin in their whole life and have not broken any Commandment of God...they have a shot at avoiding God's wrath against any and all sin.

Jesus spoke of a way to get to heaven:

Matt 5:48
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Matt 19:21-22
21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
(from New International Version)

Rom 1:18-21
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
(from New International Version)



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PrinceHassim asked on 05/03/07 - Saints in Protestantism .......




Since the advent of Protestantism in the 16th century, the relations between various instituted churches and their Roman Catholic parentage has brought about the usage and regard for various historical Saints within Catholicism to be regarded as Saints within Protestantism as well. Notable is the usage of Saints in Anglicanism that combines "via media" approach with a unique concepts of apostolic succession that asserts both similarities and differences with Catholicism.

If you are a Protestant, do you use saints in your devotions, prayers, etc?


drgade answered on 05/03/07:

According to God's word, I am as much a saint as any person designated "Saint" in the Bible.

The world system teaches that "saints" are those who have done more than enough "good" to get into heaven and then have good deeds left over.
The God's word teaches that there have been none holy(same word as "saint") enough to achieve that except God's one and only Son. ALL OTHERS become "saints" by receiving the holiness which He achieved and won by being completely and perfectly obedient to our Father in heaven. Jesus alone fulfilled all of the Law without exception.

Rom 3:21-25

21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.


Phil 3:7-10
8 What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ-the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.


Rom 10:1-4
2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
(from New International Version)

Please, no prayers or devotions using my name.

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Professor asked on 05/02/07 - The Third Heaven -



What does it mean when the Bible refers to the Third Heaven?

Your Professor

drgade answered on 05/02/07:

It COULD mean the heaven above the one we see where birds and planes fly...and above the one were space modules fly and planets dwell....up to the one where God resides in all His glory with the host of heaven.

But since there is no other reference in the Bible to this heaven, we really don't know. And we should be content with the things that He HAS revealed:

Ps 131
My heart is not proud, O LORD,
my eyes are not haughty;
I do not concern myself with great matters
or things too wonderful for me.
2 But I have stilled and quieted my soul;
like a weaned child with its mother,
like a weaned child is my soul within me.

3 O Israel, put your hope in the LORD
both now and forevermore.
(from New International Version)

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Professor asked on 05/02/07 - The Third Heaven -



What does it mean when the Bible refers to the Third Heaven?

Your Professor

drgade answered on 05/02/07:

It COULD mean the heaven above the one we see where birds and planes fly...and above the one were space modules fly and planets dwell....up to the one where God resides in all His glory with the host of heaven.

But since there is no other reference in the Bible to this heaven, we really don't know. And we should be content with the things that He HAS revealed:

Ps 131
My heart is not proud, O LORD,
my eyes are not haughty;
I do not concern myself with great matters
or things too wonderful for me.
2 But I have stilled and quieted my soul;
like a weaned child with its mother,
like a weaned child is my soul within me.

3 O Israel, put your hope in the LORD
both now and forevermore.
(from New International Version)

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madddawg asked on 05/02/07 - an honest observation

"IN fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to "bend" their observations to fit in with it." H.S. Lipson, Professor of physics, Univerity of Manchester, A physicist looks at Evolution, Physics Bulletin, Volume 31, 1980, page 138.
How reliable is the evolution religion when many are prepared to bend their observations to fit in with it?

drgade answered on 05/02/07:

Reminds me of those "theologians" who like to manipulate the Bible to make it say what they WANT it to say.

AN OLD JOKE:

Many years ago a preacher didn't like the "topknots" which were the fashion for women's hair. So he picked a text from the Bible to prove that God didn't like them either. His text was,
Matt 24:17...."top not come down!"

THE PARTS HE MISSED:
Matt 24:17

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
KJV

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peddler2 asked on 05/01/07 - Should we choose to reject the teachings of Christ?

Many Christians tell me I should not defend the Bible against the atheistic philosophies of millions of years and evolution because scientists have "proved" that the universe is billions of years old. Of course the tens of thousands of scientists who believe Genesis is the history book of the universe and 100% accurate are simple ignored.

The number #1 answer given by people who accept billions of years of earth history and evolution is dinosaurs. No man has ever seen a living dinosaur, they died out 65 ma ago etc.

What does Jesus Christ say? Whose authority do we use to decide truth? God's or man?

Jesus is the Living Word.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

He made the ALL the animals , including dinosaurs so who should no better when they were made? Jesus or some guy with a white coat?

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So Jesus Christ made man and the dinosaurs on the same day. He created Adam about 6000 years ago. Adam named ALL the animals.

Jesus Christ also said:
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Jesus Christ said plainly that man has been around since the beginning of creation. Not 65ma after the dinosaurs died out.

I can make a very strong argument from science that the dinosaurs are thousands, not millions of years old but as a Christian the very Words of our savior should be the final word.

Your thoughts?

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

God keeps "proving" Himself to those who seek Him and those who have found Him.

When the evolutionists have as much proof among themselves as we do, they will have a "Law of Evolution" and not just a "Theory".

But since they are basing all on their "belief" they run into the same problem as God's chidren, our proof is very subjective for all the billions of people who have known God since He created the world.
The point being they have a "belief system" not a science and all they can do is try to shut us up so people will believe their religion.

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peddler7118 asked on 05/01/07 - The Presuppositoion of Atheism,Good for Science?

Supernova Shell Shock
by David F. Coppedge*
They had told us a particular supernova exploded 10,000 years ago. How then, did the Chinese see it in AD 185? The answer is a case study in scientific inference.

Supernova remnants (SNRs) are shells of material expanding outward from stellar explosions. Presumably, one can tell how long ago a star exploded by measuring the velocity of the expanding shell and extrapolating it backward in time. In the case of RCW 86 in Centaurus, the calculated time of explosion was 10,000 years. According to Space.com (9/26/2006), astronomers now realize it was witnessed by Chinese astronomers 1,821 years ago. This means the earlier date was off by over 80%. What happened?

From the Chandra X-ray data, they now believe the expanding shell rammed into interstellar material, slowing it down and making it pile up. Extrapolating the current speed backward linearly was based on a flawed assumption.

One of the most widely dispersed SNRs in northern skies has a similar tale to tell. The Veil Nebula arches into graceful loops over a large region in Cygnus. Earlier estimates of its age were in the tens of thousands of years. In 2001, however, Sky & Telescope (2/2001) reported a surprise. By comparing Hubble views with photographs taken in 1953, astronomers recalculated its age at 5,000 years.

Light echoes from two "ancient" SNRs in the Large Magellanic Cloud were reported in Nature (12/22/2005) to be merely 410 and 610 years old.

Astronomers use supernovas as age and distance indicators. It's hard to have confidence in the pronouncements of professionals who consider it normal to be off by 80% or more. Would this be acceptable in other fields? Yet upsets in astronomy are common. For instance, the behavior of V838 Monocerotis, after its explosion in 2002, caused astonishment. Scientists don't know how to classify this object or what produced the outburst.

Supernova-prone stars were thought to be well understood. Last November, however, one was found more massive than the upper limit permitted by theory. This opens up a "Pandora's box" for theorists, reported a press release from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. Nature (9/28/2006) made the comical statement that "Clearly, stars with masses >10 solar masses exist, so there must be a way for them to form."

We should remember that once upon a time all supernovae were thought to be alike. Now they fall into two types, each with several classes and subclasses -- and some types can switch classes.

One final case should be recalled when reading confident claims by astronomers. A pulsar thought to be 24,000 years old was photographed by the Chandra telescope in 2001. Astronomers later realized it lined up with a supernova observed by the Chinese in AD 386. This means the earlier date was less than 7% correct. Hamlet might have the better wisdom: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

*David F. Coppedge works in the Cassini program at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. (The views expressed are his own.)

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

Too many scientists misinterpret (infer, suppose, desire to beleive...) the facts of the geological world.

Because they are much like many theologians when they look at the Bible, they are seen to be only "geologians" with many denominational beliefs filled with opinion rather than wisdom.

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Bobbye asked on 05/01/07 - LYNN,

WHO IS THE "HARLOT" OF REVELATION 17?

I've "heard it all," but according to your profile, you have the "answer" or the "revelation" re Revelation 17.

I should appreciate your thoughts on this matter.

Thanks.
Bobbye

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

Any Israelite in the OT, man or woman, who worships another God than Jehovah is said to be prostituting themselves..or committing harlotry and whoring.

A harlot, whore, etc. in the Bible in the natural sense is one who is going to bed with others than their own husband.
There is much mystery in the names given, "name on the forehead", Babylon"..but she is the mother of all the unfaithful to God. And her desire and goal is to "drink the blood of the saints".

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Toms777 asked on 05/01/07 - Bible Conference Pictures and Downloads

The downloads of the talks (including madddawg's talk) and pictures from the conference are available at Last Days Bible Conference

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

Thanks.

The topics looked interesting so I listened to some. There are a growing number of good Christian conferences around the nation and world.

One that my wife and I have found to be very good is Joyce Meyer. She doesn't seem to have any "denominational baggage", is biblical and easy to listen to (with a lot of laughs). She's on TV in most areas as "Enjoying Every Day Life".

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Itsdb asked on 05/01/07 - Trickle-Up Atheism

With thanks to Perc for referring us to "Daylight Atheism."

    Atheism is only going to grow from here on out. Don't get the idea from my last post that I don't think we are on the move. We are. One day in the next hundred years, the average American will look around at the few, small religious groups left, and see nothing but cults. I don't think there will be a big fight to the finish, I just think that people are getting smarter, and getting smart leads to stronger reasoning skills and fewer irrational beliefs. The Institute for Humanist Studies reports that the number of nonreligious 18-25 year olds has risen from 11% to 20% in the last 20 years.


That's encouraging news? Also, I thought it was intolerant to refer to a religious group as a "cult."

Let's continue...

    I don't think we need to make this a heated exchange. We should be the parent that calms the child down from an irrational temper tantrum with calm, reasonable words -- not by losing our own temper and bullying the fight out of them. The more rational thought we inspire into those that are already on the slippery slope, the more we are greasing up the slope.

    Sam Harris has a new article in the LA Times today, in which he describes the spectrum of the religious as concentric circles of diminishing reasonableness. The moderate and liberal believers are the outer rings, and are standing between us and the maniacal fundamentalists and suicide bombers in the middle. Their existance protects and excuses the fundamentalists.

    If we start with the moderates and liberals, even by ignoring the fundamentalists altogether, we are still eroding their support. The more religious liberals we get sliding down the slope, the more will deconvert into free thinkers. The stronger our numbers, the weaker theirs. Without the support of these liberals, and then the moderates, fundamentalists will eventually just go POOF in a cloud of logic.


Now I want to refer you to Perc's The Necessity of Atheism (3) and some of his points:

"Atheism offers the freedom to live your life as you see fit."

Apparently "fundamentalists" aren't to be allowed that same right.

"Atheism offers the freedom to make up your own mind."

Apparently it offers you the freedom to make up other's people's minds, too.

"Atheism offers the freedom to tolerate others."

Except of course, people that believe in God, especially those "maniacal fundamentalists," they need to "just go POOF in a cloud of logic."

"Atheism offers respite from feelings of worthlessness and guilt."

As in freedom from the guilt of being intolerant of Christians.

"Atheism offers the ability to view yourself and others as equals."

Again, except of course people who believe in God.

Wouldn't atheism be much simpler to understand if atheists would just list all of the exceptions to their rules right up front?

How does this effort to "grease the slope" toward the ultimate extinction of people of faith differ from evangelism?

How does any of this atheist nonsense exhibit even the least bit of tolerance?

Steve

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

The reason that the antiChrists are so upset and loud today is that the people coming to know God in Jesus Christ is growing quickly all over the world ..including atheistic China and Allahcratic Muslim nations.

2 Thess 2:7-13
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
(from New International Version)

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madddawg asked on 05/01/07 - did dinosaurs and humans co-exist?

"...there are certain things about the fossil record that any evolutionist should expect to be true. We should be very surprised, for example, to find fossil humans appearing in the record before mammals are supposed to have evolved! If a single, well verified mammal skull were to turn up in 500 million year old rocks, our whole modern theory of evolution would be utterly destroyed. Incidentally, this is a sufficient answer to the canard, put about by creationist and their journalistic fellow travelers, that the whole theory of evolution is an 'unfalsifiable' tautology. Ironically, it is also the reason why creationist are so keen on the fake human footprints, which were carved during the depression to fool tourists, in the dinosaur beds of Texas," (The Blind Watchmaker, 1986, p.225)



By the way, many of the human tracts have been deliberately vandalized by evolutionists:
On August 12, 1989 Dr. Don Patton spoke at a creation conference in Dayton, TN. He presented compelling evidence that both human and dinosaur tracks were present at the Taylor Trail, including the above pictures. Two well known evolutionists were present and at least one was conspicuously disturbed by this presentation. Both flew to Dallas the next morning and went immediately to the Paluxy River. It is reliably reported that they were in the river that afternoon with an "iron bar." www.bible.ca

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

I'm sure that the theories of evolution will not pass away till Jesus comes again.

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tropicalstorm asked on 05/01/07 - why do people believe in PRE trib rapture

when the Bible talks about the rewards of martyrs, persecutions and so forth? Why do they think that
God will give us the easy way out when Paul and all the apostles were brutally killed for their faith?
Why do Christians think that when God says he will put his seal on the Christians in that day to protect them it means 'some other' Christians that come to God AFTER the rapture and not them? Why is it the 'other guy cope out''God wouldn't let it happen to me' concept? Is the faith so weak that they have to have the comfy armchair way out???
Christians in India, Indonesia, China, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and so many more are all being subject to violence and Murder why are we any better that we believe we deserve an escape when many Christians have died for their faith?

God left Daniel to the lions den and shadrack meshack and abendigogo through the fiery furnace to show the victory in God. Is faith so weak that we have to believe God will not be able to do the same during the tribulation?

Just two of many sites that say pre trib rature is
a deception

false teaching

what is wrong with the rapture

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

I don't believe in it.

The "rapture" will take place on the day when Jesus comes again to gather His people both the living and the dead:

Matt 24:39-41
That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

THAT DAY WILL COME ABOUT LIKE THIS:

1 Thess 4:13-18
13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.
(from New International Version)

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JesseJamesDupree asked on 05/01/07 - Domino

Since you dismiss "Eternal Security", does that mean I'm going to hell because my Salvation is conditional? You don't believe in hell, so according to your beliefs I'll be absorbed into a "divine consciousness" with your "great creator" If you disagree with "Eternal Security" aren't you in essence disagreeing with your own "great creator", since he would send no one to hell??? Doesn't this put you in a bit of a conundrum????:)

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

Our "Eternal Security" is God's love and the grace that He has because of that love.

There is no security in our flesh.

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MarySusan asked on 05/01/07 - MISSION ACOMPLISHED!! FOUR YEARS AGO

Democrats have ceremony to celebrate the signing of the Iraq spending bill today....four years to the day after Bush declared, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"!!

"The timing is no accident. It comes on the fourth anniversary of the day Mr. Bush stood on an aircraft carrier under the banner “Mission Accomplished” and declared that major combat operations in Iraq had ended.

The Democrats’ ceremony, featuring the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, is part of the elaborate political theater at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue surrounding the Iraq spending bill, which is destined to produce only the second veto of Mr. Bush’s presidency."

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drgade answered on 05/01/07:

Political "theater" is right. Most Democrats in the congress could make good careers in the theater. I notice that Al Gore is headed that way.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/30/07 - Is questioning Mormonism worse than Murder?

It is according to Ronnie.

When I said that is Christ died for your sins and you accepted that, confessed your sins and asked Jesus to save you that was that. He said that denouncing Mormonism {in his mind bigotry} sent you to hell.

If you knew anything about Christianity you would, not need to ask the question. The fact that you do need to ask it denotes exactly who is the ignoramus.

I am pleased to help you understand the scriptures and point you toards the Christian walk.

It is, according to the scriptures, possible to lose your salvation. This is done by not continuing to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. It means that you walk away from Jesus and fail to observe the requisite obedience to be considered one of his continuing followers. Bigots and hypocrites fall under the condenmantion of heaven and lose their place. It is to these that God will say, "Get out of here, I never knew you, you evil doer."

You must ask yourself which of the categories marked by Jesus as those attuitudes and behaviours that signify his faithful followers you observe, and which ones you neglect to obey.


David was a murderer and he did not lose his salvation.

2Sa 12:21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
2Sa 12:22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

What a sad life that your cult gives you a lists of which sins will send you to hell and tells you your salvation is never gauranteed . This climate of fear is mental abuse of the weak minded.
None of Christ's followers are faithful.

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

None of Christ's followers are Mormons.
Christ never said get out of hear you evil doer. Ronnie just made that up out of thin air as usual. I would ask for a reference but he claims to be above questioning. He truly believes he will be god one day and he is almost there now.

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

I don't believe that "bigotry" is even mentioned in the Bible much less listed as a sin.

"Bigotry" is another of those concepts meant to REPLACE OR DIVERT US FROM God's Ten Commandments.

1 Cor 2:11-16
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
NKJV

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Itsdb asked on 04/30/07 - Revisiting boycotts and such

A while back we discussed the ethical considerations of boycotts and such. One objection went exactly like this:

    Any boycott that INFRINGES ON THE LEGITIMATE RIGHTS OF ANOTHER is NOT a boycott of Conscience...but an attempt at control. The attempted boycott of Discovery by funadamentalists Christians was an attempt to deny MY right to view a film of MY choice. -Domino


Now consider Jed Babbin's discussion of the Imus affair:

    It’s been a tough month. Those of us who successfully resisted the temptation to write about radio shock jock Don Imus’ racial slur of the Rutgers womens’ basketball team may have been left off Oprah’s invitation list (and Tim Russert’s), but we may have gained the advantage of perspective. Let’s pull back on the stick and gain some altitude, because this is the next stage of the battle for the media in 2007 that will substantially affect the results in 2008.

    What Imus said was both predictable and inexcusable. He got fired, and deserved it. But such -- and worse -- will be repeated forevermore in gangsta rap, on satellite radio and wherever else it is tolerated by the same people who fired Imus. But the fact that Imus was forced off the air by an apparently well-orchestrated assault on his advertisers may be a lesson conservatives need to learn because liberals will study and apply it with all the energy they can muster.

    As I’ve written before in this space, liberals are prepping the media battlefield while Republicans and conservatives (sigh; yes, there is a difference) fail to defend their assets and prepare to battle the liberals’ amen chorus in everything from the blogs to the New York Times editorial page.

    Those of us who study the military all day and half the night are familiar with the notion that “getting inside the adversary’s decision loop” is one of the surest ways to win a fight. Translating from Pentagonese, when you get inside the other guy’s decision loop, you have managed to: (1) determine what his next move is likely to be; and (2) take countermeasures -- in attack and/or defense -- to defeat that next move and use the adversary’s momentum against him. On the kinetic battlefield, that can mean everything from seizing a piece of real estate before the other guy gets there to bombing a force maneuvering for position, and everything in between. In the media wars now going on, the liberals are inside the conservative decision loop.

    We’ve watched, and not answered, the assault on Fox News. Beginning with Bill Clinton’s well-planned attack on Chris Wallace last year and succeeding in blocking Fox’s key role in Democratic candidate debates, the one cable news network that even tries to be fair to both sides is being marginalized. So what is to be learned by the facts surrounding the Imus firing? What will the liberals try to do with it?

    For decades, conservative talk radio has been a hugely effective political weapon. Rush Limbaugh has proved over and over again that conservative radio is effective both politically and economically. In the free market of ideas, Rush -- and Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and so many others -- have succeeded. Sponsors gladly pay for time on shows that reach millions of people every day.

    On the other side, liberal talk radio has been the Edsel of the broadcast media. When the folks at Air America weren’t cooking their own books, they were striking out as regularly as a Little Leaguer would facing the Minnesota Twins Johann Santana or the Toronto Blue Jays’ Roy Halladay. No matter how loudly they preached liberalism, they couldn’t succeed in either market: for commercials or in the market of ideas. (RA’s “star” -- thuggish Al Franken -- is surrendering to market forces and running for the US Senate in Minnesota.)

    In the past, liberals have taken every shot they could at Rush and the others, seeking to force them off the air. In 2002, then-Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D.-S.D.) accused Rush of inciting violence against him after Limbaugh said -- correctly, of course -- that Daschle and others were obstructing progress on Homeland Security legislation. Dachle said, “Rush Limbaugh and all of the Rush Limbaugh wannabes have a very shrill edge…But what happens when Rush Limbaugh attacks those of us in public life is that people aren’t satisfied just to listen. They want to act…and so, you know, the threats to those of us in public life go up dramatically, on our families…” If Daschle could have had Rush arrested, he would have.

    That assault on Rush failed, as it had to, because it attacked him at his strong point. But what could the libs learn from the Imus mess?

    If you want to get inside the liberals decision loop, you have to understand their intent -- to destroy conservative talk radio -- and their capabilities, from blogs to pols and all the politically activist media in between. What would you do if you were, say, George Soros? If you had a ton of money and wanted to render conservative talk radio ineffective in the 2008 election cycle?

    What you’d do is employ some group to pick at the statements of the talkers, and make every politically-incorrect utterance a cause celebre. Take words out of context. No one will notice. Make any statement about Hillary, Obama or whoever into some sort of outrageous racial/religious/sexist/whatever slur. Petition the advertisers on that show, bash them by name in every corner of the blogosphere and rely on the media to contrive stories around the blogs. Create media feeding frenzies to threaten advertisers who continue to buy time on the supposedly “offensive” shows.

    If that’s what the libs will try, and they will -- if that’s the weapons they will use, and they are -- we are now inside their decision loop. The question is what to do before they get started? What’s the countermeasure?

    There are two. First and foremost, we need to dig hard to discover the sources of the attacks, and we will. When we do, we’ll expose them, naming names and by doing so showing that the attacks aren’t by consumers or about them. We have to deal in facts, not fiction and whenever we get them we need to be as aggressive as the liberals in stirring the media to show how the attacks are orchestrated.

    Second, conservatives must refuse to be intimidated. Political correctness is a threat to free speech. The talkers are usually right, and when they are we must stand with them.


I have no doubt that Babbin is right. It is a fact no one with a conscience can deny that Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Medved, Ann Coulter et al are blistered on a daily basis in this country by Democratic politicians, Hollywood activists and liberal pundits. Heck, mention their names here and you can count on certain experts to come unglued - regardless of the facts or circumstances.

Are the rules the same for liberals/progressives/atheists/agnostics, etc. as they are for conservatives/Republicans/Christians? It appears to me they either want it both ways - or more likely - THEIR way, period.

Comments?

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

EVERY PERSON ON EARTH boycotts or censors things. Every choice between different things is in a real sense a boycott...and others will be affected by what we choose and by what we don't choose.

The problem of boycotts is only in the mind of those who don't like OUR boycotts while they continue on with their choices of what to boycott.

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arcura asked on 04/30/07 - Who really wrote this. Does it matter who did????????

This is attributed to Jay Leno. If he wrote it, GREAT. If he didn't, GREAT--it doesn't matter.



Jay Leno wrote this; it's the Jay Leno we don't often see....
"The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy
with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7
days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home.
You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we
enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the
world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?

The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the
news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have
volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way ..Insane!

Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country.

There is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative."

"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

People all have a choice of where they want their minds to be.

If they choose to be judgemental of all or want the world to only do things their way, they will be unhappy. This world is not a utopia and never will be in its present form.

If people set their minds on the good people they know and the good things they have...they will be happy.

Phil 4:8-9

8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things. 9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.
NKJV


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belle33 asked on 04/30/07 - Just watched the Mormon documentary

Iknow Tom ,Mad, Peddler and PH can't wait to go at it over that one. Seems the mormons killed a bunch of men women and children at Meadow mountain in 1850, and brigham Young married himselfd a 16 year girl whenhe was 50. Know she loved that.

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

I watched part of it too. Seems like most of the "historians" and "authors" were Mormons and so it was correctly desginated a Mormon Documentary.

Yet, much of it made a point of contrasting the Mormons from Christianity.

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lglynn5 asked on 04/30/07 - The Mount of Olives..

Do you know why...

The Mount of Olives will SPLIT..when Jesus stands upon it? Zechariah 14:4.

Have a good day.

In Christ, Lynn

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

The prophet is speaking of the time when God's wrath will fall on Jerusalem. Not all the people will be killed or taken away as slaves at this time.

Other related passages:

Jer 4:27-28

27 This is what the LORD says:

"The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely.
28 Therefore the earth will mourn
and the heavens above grow dark,
because I have spoken and will not relent,
I have decided and will not turn back."
(from New International Version)


Zech 13:8-9
8 In the whole land," declares the LORD,
"two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.
9 This third I will bring into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, 'They are my people,'
and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"
(from New International Version)

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lglynn5 asked on 04/30/07 - Do you know...WHY,

There was war in heaven? Do you known when it happened? Do you know the RESULTS..of this war?

Have a good day, all.

In Christ, Lynn

drgade answered on 05/01/07:

The war in heaven was the rebellion of Lucifer and his followers against God.

No one on earth knows when it happened, though many have theories about the time.

The results are not complete yet. At this point in our time the devil is still battling against God and those who have been reborn into His family. He was cast down to earth. In the end the devil will be cast into the pit prepared for him and his angels.

There is one of those double passages covering both the king of Babylon and Lucifer.

Isa 14:12-15
2 How you have fallen from heaven,O morning star, son of the dawn!You have been cast down to the earth,you who once laid low the nations! 13 You said in your heart,"I will ascend to heaven;I will raise my throne above the stars of God;I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. 14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;I will make myself like the Most High." 15 But you are brought down to the grave,to the depths of the pit.
(from New International Version)

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madddawg asked on 04/29/07 - God that made the heavens

Will the God of the Bible destroy Joseph Smith's god?
Jeremiah 10:11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

drgade answered on 04/30/07:

Eventually all the contests between God and the gods come out the same as with Elijah and the prophets of Baal.

1 Kings 18:38-39

38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The LORD-he is God! The LORD-he is God!"
(from New International Version)

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Pete. asked on 04/29/07 - Tom777...for you:):)

Jesus of Nazareth & the Gospel story cannot be found in Christian writings earlier than the Gospels, the first of which (Mark) was composed only in the late first century. Is it not strange that there is no, proven, non-Christian record of Jesus before the second century?

drgade answered on 04/30/07:

The publishing business was not very strong up until the invention of moveable type.

Bibliographies were seldom more than a mention.

All this means that we don't know WHEN the eyewitnesses of Jesus' life, death, resurrection and physical ascension took place.

But what other figure in early history has FOUR (4) eyewitnesses who wrote about Him?

What the world wrote about Jesus was not (and still IS not) important. They don't understand His significance anyway.

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Pete. asked on 04/29/07 - Myth?

"When the conception of a purely spiritual Christ could no longer succesfully be imported to the turbulent masses, who clamoured for a political saviour, it was found necessary or expedient to substitute the idea of a personal Messiah...The swell of this tide carried the Church fathers to the limit of recasting the entire four gospels in term of a human biography!

ALVIN BOYD KUHN, The Lost Light

Comments??

drgade answered on 04/30/07:

There are few TODAY that want a "spiritual Christ". Most people are smart enough to know that they can't control things of God's Spirit.

Political Messiahs are considered OK. They can be bought and sold or coerced.

Jesus came with redemption ( in the spiritual sence) of the whole world, but knowing only some would submit to their own spiritual condition:

Mark 2:15-17
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
(from New International Version)

Rom 10:3
3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.
(from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/29/07 - Did I just get scammed?

The little 6 year old girl and her 21/2 year old brother came over and SHE sold me dandelions (from my yard)
They wanted three cents I gave them 6 cents (it was ALL the money I had left. Guess you could say my lifes savings) They leave and come back and she says he wants to sell me dandelions too. I ask Lexie if she will give Geo three of the pennies so I can have some of his pretty dandelions too. She said she did and picked his dandelions up off the table and says the first bunch was from BOTH of them.

0R early Entrepreneur

LOL


Lexie and Geo




drgade answered on 04/29/07:

They probably didn't even have to be taught how to carry out that negotiation.

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madddawg asked on 04/29/07 - Deuteronomy 4:39

Deuteronomy 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Does this mean the many gods of mormonism only exist in Joseph Smith's imagination?

drgade answered on 04/29/07:

Any other gods, those who create them or those who serve them are in bad shape when they must meet the God Who created all things and Who ALONE has the right to be "jealous".

Ex 20:3-6

3 "You shall have no other gods before me.

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand [ generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.
(from New International Version)


Ex 34:13-16
14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

15 "Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. 16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.
(from New International Version)

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Toms777 asked on 04/29/07 - Mormonism and the Cross

Well known Mormon leader BRice McConkie said:

"Latter-day Saints object to the use of a cross on their buildings and the wearing of the cross. They view the symbolism of the cross as having a pagan origin and that it symbolizes Christ's torture and death, not his resurrection. LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated: "The sectarian world falsely suppose that the climax of his (Christ's) torture and suffering was on the cross …-- a view which they keep ever before them by the constant use of the cross as a religious symbol. The fact is that intense and severe as the suffering was on the cross, yet the great pains were endured in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.555)

The Apostle Paul said:

1 Cor 2:2-3
2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
NKJV

Phil 3:18-19
18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--who set their mind on earthly things.
NKJV

Gal 5:11-12
11 And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased.
NKJV

Paul preached the cross, and said that those who the cross is an offense for those who bare enemies of the cross.

Should we believe the LDS church or the Apostle Paul?

drgade answered on 04/29/07:

The cross is offensive because it demands submission to Christ by its message that He has bought us.
People don't mind Jesus being nice, teaching us how to be good and even being the leader of a relgion. But natural man doesn't want a god who has a right to rule them. They want to be a god themselves subject to nothing and no one.

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Delilah asked on 04/29/07 - Who might you be?


I am a Christian Goth and I would like to thank you for this site. I like Goth especially for the clothes, but also for the music and because my Goth friends are the most real people I know. Will you be my Goth friend?

Delilah

drgade answered on 04/29/07:

I believe some of my ancestors were Goths. But over the centuries, we've lost contact and I really don't want to get back into that scene.

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madddawg asked on 04/29/07 - Nehemiah 9:6

Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

Is the God who created the heavens the same god as Joseph Smith?

drgade answered on 04/29/07:

Not unless Josheph Smith was eternal and created all things.

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hOPE12 asked on 04/28/07 - Follow up.

Hello Everyone,


ALL SCRIPTURES ARE TAKEN FROM THE NEW KING JAMES VERSION.
I believe we are now on the threshold of a new world promised by God. Why do I say this. Read this: “2 Peter 3:13 (New King James Version)13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
When I read these words of Peter, I feel they mean that this planet will be made new and become a paradise. Some others though feel that the physical heaven and earth will be replaced. What do you think?

The “new earth” that Peter mentioned is not a new planet. God according to the Bible, made the earth perfect for everlasting human life. Psalm 104:5 (New King James Version)
5 You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,
(THIS IS NOT JUST MY BIBLE SAYING THIS, IT COMES FROM THE NEW KING JAMES VERSION. DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOUR OWN BIBLE SAYS? IF SO, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS SCRIPTURE WITH THE BELIEVE THAT GOD WILL DISTROY THIS PLANET EARTH? )
We can not believe just parts of the Bible but we must believe all of it or none of it. If I write a letter to you, you would have to read the whole letter in order to fully understand the reason for my letter, would you not?

The same is true of the Bible, we must read all of the Bible and we must take all the scriptures of the Bible in order to understand it’s full message. Many scriptures say the earth (the planet) was created to last forever. Notice:

FOR THOSE WHO FEEL THE EARTH IS TO BE DESTROYED OF BURNED UP, HOW DO YOU PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND THESE SCRIPTURES BELOW? WHY WHERE THEY PUT IN THE BIBLE AND WORDED THIS WAY IF THE LITERAL EARTH IS TO BE BURNED UP?

Please explain these scriptures to me if the earth is to be burned up????

1)
Psalm 37:10-11 (New King James Version)

10 For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more;
Indeed, you will look carefully for his place,
But it shall be no more.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth,
And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

(How can anyone inherit the earth, if it is burned up???)
Psalm 37:29 (New King James Version)

29 The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it forever.

How can anyone dwell in something that is burned up?
2)
Psalm 78:69 (New King James Version)
69 And He built His sanctuary like the heights,
Like the earth which He has established forever.
Here we are told God has established the earth forever. If the earth is burned up, why is this scripture in the Bible? What does it mean?

3)
Psalm 119:90 (New King James Version)

90 Your faithfulness endures to all generations;

You established the earth, and it abides.
(When we look up the word “abides” in the dictionary it gives this meaning:

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source a•bide (ə-bīd') Pronunciation Key
To remain in a place.
To continue to be sure or firm; endure. See Synonyms at stay1.
To dwell or sojourn.

To my understanding that is saying according to the scripture and the dictionary that the earth is to remain forever. How do you explain this?

4)
Ecclesiastes 1:4 (New King James Version)
4 One generation passes away, and another generation comes;
But the earth abides forever.

And again “abides forever”. Why would this be in the Bible if the literal earth is to be burned up? Does the Bible contradict itself or possible the wrong understanding is the problem? Which is it? The earth can not burn up and abide forever?

5)
Matthew 6:10 (New King James Version)
10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

(If the literal heavens and earth are to pass away, why would Jesus have taught his follower to pray for “God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven?)
6)
Matthew 24:3 (New King James Version)

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
If the earth is to be burned up literally, why would Jesus’ disciples word their question this way? Why didn’t they just say; and the end of the earth?” The New King James version of the scriptures use the word “age”. Notice what definition of age is given in the dictionary:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
age /eɪdʒ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[eyj] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, aged, ag•ing or age•ing. –noun
1. the length of time during which a being or thing has existed; length of life or existence to the time spoken of or referred to: trees of unknown age; His age is 20 years.
2. a period of human life, measured by years from birth, usually marked by a certain stage or degree of mental or physical development and involving legal responsibility and capacity: the age of discretion; the age of consent; The state raised the drinking age from 18 to 21 years.
3. the particular period of life at which a person becomes naturally or conventionally qualified or disqualified for anything: He was over age for military duty.
4. one of the periods or stages of human life: a person of middle age.
5. advanced years; old age: His eyes were dim with age.
6. a particular period of history, as distinguished from others; a historical epoch: the age of Pericles; the Stone Age; the age of electronic communications.
7. the period of history contemporary with the span of an individual's life: He was the most famous architect of the age.
8. a generation or a series of generations: ages yet unborn.
9. a great length of time: I haven't seen you for an age. He's been gone for ages.
10. the average life expectancy of an individual or of the individuals of a class or species: The age of a horse is from 25 to 30 years.
11. Psychology. the level of mental, emotional, or educational development of a person, esp. a child, as determined by various tests and based on a comparison of the individual's score with the average score for persons of the same chronological age.

( Age is referred to in a living sense. Not the earth but a time period of existence, not an object. The earth is an object. )

My question is this, How can you personally explain these scriptures and the way they are worded to be in harmony with the teaching that the earth will be burned up. We either believe all of God’s word, or we do not!
SOME ON THIS BOARD REALLY LIKE TO DOWN OTHERS BUT YET CAN YOU GIVE AN INTELLEGENT ANSWER JUST USING THE BIBLE, SHOWING WHY THESE SCRIPTURES SAY WHAT THEY DO, AND HOW YOU RATIONALIZE YOUR UNDESTANDING OF THE LITERAL EARTH BEING BURNED UP WITH THE SCRIPTURES MENTIONED ABOVE?
I will respond to all comments that are given in a respectful and dignified way. Any who mention things or make comments that are argumentative or rude will be ignored.
If you claim to be a Human being, then please answer as a human. I welcome all replies and from all religions and non-religion experts.
I look forward to hearing from you all.
Take care,
Hope12

drgade answered on 04/28/07:

The arguement that the word "forever" is speaking about "through eternity" does not stand. If that were true in all cases, then where are the stones spoken of in the following?

Josh 4:6-7
In the future, when your children ask you, 'What do these stones mean?' 7 tell them that the flow of the Jordan was cut off before the ark of the covenant of the LORD. When it crossed the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan were cut off. These stones are to be a memorial to the people of Israel forever."


Many passages promise that the physical children of Isreal will own certain physical lands "forever". But there were, and are even today, portions of that land which are not owned by them.


CAN GOD BREAK HIS PROMISES? Or does "forever" sometimes mean a shorter time than eternity depending on circumstances?
AS IN:

1 Sam 2:30-32

30 "Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares: 'I promised that your house and your father's house would minister before me forever.' But now the LORD declares: 'Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor, but those who despise me will be disdained. 31 The time is coming when I will cut short your strength and the strength of your father's house, so that there will not be an old man in your family line 32 and you will see distress in my dwelling.



As you say, THE CONTEXT of the WHOLE of Scripture must be taken.
There are too many passages which speak of the end of this present world that need to be reconcilled with the passages that you quote:

Matt 5:18-19
18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Matt 24:34-35
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.


Mark 13:31
31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.


Luke 21:33
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.


Heb 1:10-12
"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same,
and your years will never end."


Heb 12:26-27
6 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, "Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens." 27 The words "once more" indicate the removing of what can be shaken-that is, created things-so that what cannot be shaken may remain.


2 Peter 3:4-7
5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.


2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.


2 Peter 3:13
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
(all above passages from New International Version)





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arcura asked on 04/26/07 - DO ELEPHANTS REALLY HAVE GOOD LONG MEMORIES?

HERE'S AN INTERESTING STORY!

In 1986, Mkele Mbembe was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from
Northwestern University. On a hike through the bush, he came across a young
bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Mbembe
approached it very carefully.

He got down on one knee and inspected the elephant's foot and found a large
piece of wood deeply embedded in it.

As carefully and as gently as he could, Mbembe worked the wood out with his
hunting knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot.

The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its
face, stared at him for several tense moments. Mbembe stood frozen,
thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant
trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away.

Mbembe never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years
later, Mbembe was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenaged son. As
they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and
walked over to near where Mbembe and his son Tapu were standing. The large
bull elephant stared at Mbembe, lifted its front foot off the ground, then
put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all
the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in 1986, Mbembe
couldn't help wondering if this was the same elephant.

Mbembe summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing and made his way
into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in
wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of
Mbembe's legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly.

Probably wasn't the same elephant....

drgade answered on 04/27/07:

Awwwww. But worth a chuckle. Thanks.

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arcura asked on 04/26/07 - Do you have life IN you????????????????????????????

John 6: 51. "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread also which I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh."
52. The Jews therefore began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?"
53. Jesus therefore said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, YOU HAVE NO LIFE in yourselves.
54. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55. "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.
56. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
57. "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me.
58. "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate, and died, he who eats this bread shall live forever."
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME you ate Jesus' flesh and drank His blood?

drgade answered on 04/27/07:

The fellowship that I associate with celebrates the Lord's Supper every Sunday.
And I do believe in the "real presence" of Jesus Christ in this Sacrament.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/27/07 - Peddler - Denial is not a river in Egypt! ...................................




Cain is described in the book of Genesis of the Hebrew Scriptures as a son of Adam. Cain was jealous of his brother Abel, because God had rejected Cain's offering, while accepting Abel's. In Genesis 4:8, he is described as having "attacked his brother Abel, and killed him."

Ham is described in Genesis 9 as a son of Noah who had seen his father naked. Ham himself was not punished. But Ham's son, Canaan, was cursed. Genesis 9:25-27:

"Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers. He also said, 'Blessed be the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japeth live in the tents of Shem and may Canaan be his slave'."

This became known as the Curse of Ham.

Most Christians found it convenient prior to the 19th century to assume that the Curse of Ham was to continue to all of Ham's African descendents. This justified human slavery.

Protestant denominations in the early 19th century interpreted the Bible as implying that the black race was formed from Cain and Abel's descendents. The Curse of Ham was used extensively prior to the Civil War to justify slavery as a biblically condoned, recognized and regulated practice. The abolition movement caused a great deal of distress among Christians because they had to finally reject slavery as profoundly immoral -- a practice which the Bible accepted as a normal aspect of the culture of the Middle East. They had to wrap their minds around the fact that the Bible taught something that was apparently against the will of God.

Beliefs of the inferiority of blacks died a slow death among the leading denominations: Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc.

www.religioustolerance.org


drgade answered on 04/27/07:

This foolishness of misinterpreting God's Word because of fleshly desires began with Adam and Eve. Because the fruit "looked good to eat", they chose to believe the serpent instead of God.

St. Paul, speaking to the people of the church at Rome said: (and I'll use the KJV because in this case it it clearer)

Rom 8:1-8
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
KJV

NOT ALL WHO BELONG TO A CHURCH BELONG TO JESUS.

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HANK1 asked on 04/27/07 - INTERPRETATION:



Worse than making a mistake is making a mistake and NOT learning anything from it. The most valuable lessons that you can learn in this life are often the RESULTS of the mistakes that you make. Be they mistakes regarding your health, your work or your heart, they only become valuable IF you learn something from them. Turn those mistakes into newfound knowledge! Mistakes that are studied and understood often grow into wisdom.

What have your mistakes taught you?

HANK

drgade answered on 04/27/07:

The worst thing they have taught me is that I will probably make other mistakes.....and even this same one at a later time.

It's good to know that we are forgiven!

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tomder55 asked on 04/27/07 - A big carbon foot-print in South Carolina

A flock of small jets took flight from Washington Thursday, each carrying a Democratic presidential candidate to South Carolina for the first debate of the political season.

For Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd and Joe Biden, it was wheels up shortly after they voted in favor of legislation requiring that U.S. troops begin returning home from Iraq in the fall.

No one jet pooled, no one took commercial flights to save money, fuel or emissions.

All but Biden, who flew on a private jet, chartered their flights -- a campaign expense of between $7,500 and $9,000.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-campaign-planes,0,4666247,print.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

The rest of the story is about how the campaigns paid for the flights. So much for fiscal responsibility . Edwards denies that he had an in-flight hair cut.

From the debate :

MODERATOR: Time has expired. Staying on the notion of the environment, which somewhat unbelievably is where that question started, what in your personal life, Senator Obama, have you done personally to make for a better environment? Personal life...


OBAMA: Well, you know, we just had Earth Day. And we actually organized 3,000 volunteers to plant trees, which...


MODERATOR: I mean, like light bulbs...


OBAMA: Well...


(LAUGHTER)


I thought the tree thing was pretty good.



MODERATOR: Well, yes, but...


OBAMA: We've also been working to install lightbulbs that last longer and save energy. And that's something that I'm trying to teach my daughters, 8-year-old Malia and 5-year-old Sasha.

And that was the only reference to the environment in a 90 minute debate.(except for the single inane comment by Kucinich who said we should "move away from global warming and global warring". ) ;Obama planted trees and changed light bulbs.

How can they claim to be stewards of the environment when they would not even coordinate with each other so that one chartered flight was used? I guess an 8 hr. bus trip was out of the question.They could've lived that stap-hanger life style they tell the rest of us to live by taking Amtrack .

The Goracle is shocked ! A Quinnipiac poll suggested Gore would run more strongly against the Republicans than either Clinton or Obama.

Any day now .



drgade answered on 04/27/07:

The accepted rule is that the elite of the world, those who can control the world, don't have to follow the rules.

Their only obligation is to make up more rules and make others follow the rules.

However, I believe that this position of power belongs only to God.

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Toms777 asked on 04/27/07 - Is Jesus a Fundamentalist Anti-Catholic?


Fred posted the following:

"John 6: 51. "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread also which I shall give for the life of the world is My flesh."
52. The Jews therefore began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?"
53. Jesus therefore said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, YOU HAVE NO LIFE in yourselves.
54. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
55. "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.
56. "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
57. "As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me.
58. "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate, and died, he who eats this bread shall live forever."
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME you ate Jesus' flesh and drank His blood?"

I responded by pointing out what the rest of the passage says and specifically what Jesus said in explaining what this means:


John 6:60-64
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, "Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
NKJV

Fred says that this is a fundamentalist anti-catholic attitude. Is he right?

drgade answered on 04/27/07:

Jesus' "Last Supper" gives us another mystery of God. ("mystery" - "kryptos" as something hidden).

If we understood it, there would be much less disagreement among those who say they can understand God's word. WE DON'T understand it. We each just take His words at face value and do as He has told us in receiving His body and blood often in this the fashion He gave He gave to His disciples...(which includes all those who seek to be His).

Ps 131
My heart is not proud, O LORD,
my eyes are not haughty;
I do not concern myself with great matters
or things too wonderful for me.
2 But I have stilled and quieted my soul;
like a weaned child with its mother,
like a weaned child is my soul within me.

3 O Israel, put your hope in the LORD
both now and forevermore.
(from New International Version)


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PrinceHassim asked on 04/24/07 - According to Jesus Christ .......


..................... According to Jesus Christ what does a person have to do to be saved? According to Jesus?

Back up your answer from the scriptures, and no vague 'prooftexts' or mistranslations, etc, please.

What did Jesus say a person had to do to be saved?


drgade answered on 04/25/07:

Sticking with the phrase, "be saved", this is what Jesus said:

Matt 10:22
22 All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
(from New International Version)


Matt 24:13-14
3 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.


Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.


Luke 18:26-27

26 Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"

27 Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."


John 5:26-40
26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.

28 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out-those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned. 30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

31 "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. 32 There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is valid.

33 "You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved. 35 John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light.

36 "I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me. 37 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, 38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. 39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.


John 10:8-10
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
(all above from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/25/07 - follow up to PHA--

what Believe in Jesus means
"believing" in Christ cannot simply mean "think to be true," like many people believe, but must refer to a wholehearted commitment to follow Him. Not merely to believe, but belief produces results -a total submergence in

Jesus taught that anyone who wants to follow Him "must deny himself and take up his cross daily," then this must be a part of "believing" in Him (Luke 9:23).
Another example is Paul's statement that "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires" (Gal. 5:24). If someone thinks that he believes in Jesus, but is still held captive by the sinful nature, then he cannot truly believe in Jesus.

Another concept to consider is "which Jesus does a person believe in?" In 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, Paul tells the Corinthians that they are "putting up with" individuals who are preaching about a "different Jesus" than the one in which Paul had introduced them to.

True belief is found after cutting through the traditions of man and finding spiritual truth
Mark 7:6-7 He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
"These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.' 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."

Mat. 7:21-23 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (KJV)

In conclusion, the Bible clearly shows that believing in Jesus is much more than merely thinking that He exists and believing that He died for our sins. Jesus told His disciples, "If you love me, you will obey what I command" (John 14:15). This statement was not an order to His disciples that they'd better obey Jesus if they really love Him, but rather Jesus was simply stating that obedience to His commands will naturally result from having true love for Christ.
A genuine decision to believe in Jesus in order to be saved must have as its fundamental component of commitment.

James tells us that even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). It is obvious God does not accept their belief. Our faith must be deeper than mere belief. The simple difference between the demon’s belief and saving faith is that saving faith receives Jesus (Revelation 3:20).

drgade answered on 04/25/07:

Jesus explained it simply when speaking about FALSE PROPHETS:

Matt 7:15-20
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
(from New International Version)

There is no expectation that a person becomes PERFECT in their works in the world. Our perfection is always the perfection(righteousness) of Christ Himself. By His sacrifice He makes our "sacrifices" (good work offerings) to God, perfect.

But we HAVE been changed...and are BEING changed

2 Cor 3:17-18
18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
(from New International Version)

To expect yourself to be PERFECT in all your ways will make you doubt your redemption through the blood of Christ. To expect PERECTION in others will lead to disappointment.

Phil 3:12-16

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

15 All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/25/07 - ..Pope Says Unbaptized Babies May Go to Heaven..

..VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Benedict has reversed centuries of traditional Roman Catholic teaching about the eternal state of children who die before they're baptized.

Theologians have long taught that such children enjoy an eternal state of perfect natural happiness -- a state commonly called "limbo" -- without being in communion with God.

Pope Benedict, however, has approved a Vatican report that says there is good reason to hope that children who die without being baptized can go to heaven.

Theologians say that's significant for what it says about Catholic views on baptism and original sin -- the sin that the faithful believe all children are born with.

The Reverend Richard McBrien, a Notre Dame theology professor, explains that "baptism does not exist to wipe away the 'stain' of original sin, but to initiate one into the Church."...


..This certainly is one major change in Catholic views on baptism..Isn't it???....

drgade answered on 04/25/07:

I too have good reason to believe that at least some of the unbaptized children will go to heaven. (Not knowing the ways of God completely, I must defer to His judgement). The basis of this hope is the love which God has for all and His desire to have all be with Him eternity.

God's desire from the beginning has been to have peole with Him in eternity. Even though man turned away from trusting God, He IMMEDIATELY gave the message of His plan of redemption through "the seed".

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jjgoss asked on 04/25/07 - ..Evangelicals Gaining Strength in Secular England..

..CAMBRIDGE, England (AP) - While many of England's old churches struggle to fill their pews, thriving evangelical congregations are meeting in converted factories and rented school auditoriums.

The head of Christian Research, a London-based think tank, says evangelicals now make up about 40 percent of Britain's regular churchgoers.

Ruth Chandler, a former member of the Church of England, says, "I don't need an old church with stained glass windows where a few people show up out of obligation, not inspiration."
The Church of England estimates that less than one-tenth of its members are regular churchgoers.

Part of the evangelical growth is due to immigration, and the fact that their churches evangelize in a way that other British Christians don't...

drgade answered on 04/25/07:

The denominations and local church groups that have made Chrisitianity into a relgion of outward form , as many of the Israelites did , will not have any real impact of loving change for the people of the world.

They will just be "dry bones". The following is speaking of CHURCH PEOPLE:

2 Tim 3:1-5
3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God- 5 HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS BUT DENYING ITS POWER. Have nothing to do with them.
(from New International Version)

Jesus (and Paul) spoke of a different church:

John 4:20-24
20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem."

21 Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
(from New International Version)


Rom 2:28-29

28 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.
(from New International Version)





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jjgoss asked on 04/25/07 - ..Study: Religious Parents Good for Children..

..CBNNews- Religious parents are good for children.

That according to a study from Mississippi State University that surveyed the parents and teachers of more than 16,000.

They compared the kids' behavior to how often the parents went to worship services and talked about religion.

Kids who behaved better were more likely to have parents who attend religious services regularly.


Scientists are still trying to explain why religious organizations help families more than secular groups.

But researchers say religion provides more social support for parents and promotes family values...

drgade answered on 04/25/07:

"Scientists" and "researchers" are NOT going to find out WHY these children have a better chance at good behavior and less wickedness. The do not even know that their IS a power other than the mind of man.

1 Cor 2:13-14
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(from New International Version)

But it is good to see that some recognize that there is a difference.

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hOPE12 asked on 04/25/07 - Will the literal earth be destroy or burned with fire?

Hello Everyone,

These comments are for those who feel the Bible says the literal earth will be burned up. Please read it carefully before replying. All the Scriptures quoted are take from the “New Kings James Version” of the Bible. I want others to understand that it is not just the Jehovah witness Bible that says these things but also if you look all the Bible say the same thing or I would not be able to use your very own Copies of the Bible. This is not an argument but my personal understanding of the scriptures.

Do you thing that God will destroy the earth by Fire? Let’s see what the New King James version of the Bible says:

Does 2 Peter 3:7, 10 support that view? “
2 Peter 3:7, 10 (New King James Version)
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[a]

So according to this scripture above it looks like the earth would be burned up but now how is that explained with Revelation 21:1.

Revelation 21:1 (New King James Version)
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

To be correct, the explanation of these verses must agree with the context and with the rest of the Bible, or then it would be difficult to believe anything the bible says. We either believe what it states or we do not. So lets continue our research.

If these texts (2 Peter 3:7, 10 and Revelation 21:1) mean that the literal planet Earth is to be consumed by fire, then the literal heavens (the stars and other heavenly bodies) are also to be destroyed by fire. Such a literal view, however, conflicts with the assurance contained in such texts as:

Matthew 6:10 (New King James Version)
10 Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

Psalm 37:29 (New King James Version)
29 The righteous shall inherit the land,
And dwell in it foreve

Psalm 104:5 (New King James Version)
5 You who laid the foundations of the earth,
So that it should not be moved forever,

Proverbs 2:21-22 (New King James Version)
21 For the upright will dwell in the land,
And the blameless will remain in it;
22 But the wicked will be cut off from the earth,

Think about this, what effect would fire have on the already intensely hot sun and stars? So the term “earth” in the above-quoted texts must be understood in a different sense. Notice how the scriptures have used the term earth in other places in the scriptures in a different sense or with a different meaning.

Genesis 11:1 (New King James Version)
1 Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.”

Logically this scripture does not say that the literal earth had one language or speech. That would not make sense. So it must use the word earth in a different sense. Does the earth speak a language or do people speak a language?

1 Chronicles 16:31 (New King James Version)
31 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad;
And let them say among the nations, “The LORD reigns.”
Can the earth literally be glad? Or is it people that are glad?

Psalm 96:1 (New King James Version)
1 Oh, sing to the LORD a new song!
Sing to the LORD, all the earth.
Be reasonable, can the literal earth sing or do people of the earth sing?

The term “earth” is used in a figurative sense, referring to mankind, to human society. Might that be the case at 2 Peter 3:7, 10 and Revelation 21:1?
Please also take note that in the context at 2 Peter 3:5-6 (New King James Version)
5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

And 2 Peter 2:5-9 (New King James Version)
5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,

The scriptures draw a parallel with the Flood of Noah’s day, in which wicked human society was destroyed, but Noah and his household, as well as the globe itself, were preserved.

Also in 2 Peter 3:7 (New King James Version)
7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Take note the above scripture says that the ones to be destroyed are “ungodly men.” The view that “the earth” here refers to wicked human society fully agrees with the rest of the Bible, as is illustrated by the texts cited above. It is that symbolic “earth,” or wicked human society, that is “discovered”; that is, God will sear away as by fire all disguise, exposing the wickedness of ungodly human society and showing it to be worthy of complete destruction. That wicked society of humans is also “the first earth,” referred to at
Revelation 21:1 (New King James Version)
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

God’s original purpose for the earth is told in the book of Genesis.
Genesis 1:27-28 (New King James Version)
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

God indicated his purpose to have the earth filled with the offspring of Adam and Eve as caretakers of a global paradise. After God had magnificently designed this earth for human habitation, making it unique among all the planets that man has examined with his telescopes and spaceships, did the Creator simply abandon his purpose, leaving it forever unfulfilled because of Adam’s sin?

Lets read further and see. Isaiah 45:18 (New King James Version)
18 For thus says the LORD,
Who created the heavens,
Who is God,
Who formed the earth and made it,
Who has established it,
Who did not create it in vain,
Who formed it to be inhabited:

“ I am the LORD, and there is no other.

Can we be sure that God Almighty sticks to His original Words. Let God answer for Himself at Isaiah 55:10-11 (New King James Version)
10 “ For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

Comments???
Take care, Hope12

drgade answered on 04/25/07:

There are a very few times when the Bible speaks of the "earth" as a figure of speech when it is speaking of the "people" of the earth.

But primarily and overwhelmingly "earth" is used to mean "land, world, a physical area" (erets in the OT Hebrew) (ge in the NT Greek..as in GEology, the study of the earth)

But the context of the larger number of passages which speak of the end of the physical world as we know it shouldn't leave any doubt that what will be "burned up" "disappear" "disolve" "pass away" gives no indicatiion that it is speaking of only the people of the earth:

Matt 5:18
18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Mark 13:30-31
. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.


2 Peter 3:5-7
ut they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.


2 Peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and EVERYTHING IN IT will be laid bare.
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.


The physical earth was created by and sustained by the word of God's mouth. That it it's source of being.

Heb 11:3
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.


Heb 1:3
he Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.
(from New International Version)

The earth is also spoken of as having
"feelings", that it is waiting for its redemption through Jesus Christ also.

Rom 8:19-22
19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
(from New International Version)

IT IS A DECAYING WORLD/EARTH. AND JUST AS OUR BODIES WILL BECOME SPIRITUAL BODIED, SO THE EARTH WILL NO LONGER BE TEMPORAL OR SUBJECT TO DECAY.




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Toms777 asked on 04/23/07 - Is Jesus Michael?

holly_ says:

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In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the bible says Jesus will return to earth with "the voice of the archangel." And Jude 9 talks about "Michael the Archangel." Now these are the only two times that the bible mentions "archangel". Therefore, Jesus must be the Archangel Michael.
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First of all, this is not true and the Bible addresses it directly:

Heb 1:5-6
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
"You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You"?

And again:

"I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son"?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
"Let all the angels of God worship Him."
NKJV

The Son of God is not an angel, but rather all the angels of God must worship Him. That destroys that theory right there.

Now as for your claim that 1 Thess 4:16 says that Jesus is Michael, let's look at it:

1 Thess 4:16
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
NKJV

Using your logic, if He must be Michael because He has the voice of an archangel, then He must be God because He has the trumpet of God.

Note also that archangel (which means chief angel) is singular but we see in Daniel 10:13 that michael is only one chief amongst many:

Dan 10:13-14
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.
NKJV

Thus Michael cannot be Jesus.

Let's look at Jude 9:

Jude 9
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
NKJV

Notice that Michael does not take authority over Satan, but rather points to the lord and says "The Lord rebuke you". Thus Michael is not the Lord.

Jesus is God:

Heb 1:8
8 But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
NKJV

Tom

drgade answered on 04/24/07:

In the OT God(Jesus) often appears as a man, an angel and even a rock. BUT, you are right, angels are only His ministering spirits while Jesus is our lord and God:

John 20:28-29

28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
(from New International Version)

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peddler7118 asked on 04/24/07 - 19th Century Cults and the Common Bond.

The cults that arose in 19th century America have strickung similarities.
For instance the Russellites and Mormons both claim that the Word of God was corrupted and lost for more than a thousand years.

Neither offers any proof of this but the word of their controllers. The Mormons use a mind control game to ask the Holy Spirit if the BOM is true. This is a parlor trick . When people are searching for answers they are led astray quite easily.

The compromising by the church starting in the early 19th century is to blame for this. The idea of millions of years made it necessary to accept them or accept the Bible. Sadly many churches compromised the very Word of God and tried to incorporate the great ages into the bible. They just don't fit. By accepting the age old atheistic concept of vast ages as "science" the Bible was no longer able to provide answers to life's questions. Evolutionary idea about "races" made racial hatred "scientifically justifiable" .

Why is there death and suffering? If the world is millions of years old then death preceeded man. The account of the perfect creation is no longer true. Thorns and thistles become mistakes God made instead of a curse. Instead of death being the last enemy it is part of God's creation that He cannot or will not do anything about. Actually death and suffering become something God considers very good in that light.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This created an enviroment where people were no longer able to trust the Bible and looked for other gospels. Enter Smith and Russell stage left and the rest is history.

Since then it has gotten so much worse the main difference between these Satanic cults and the mainstream churches is that the mainstream is dying and the cults expanding.

God holds His Word above His name but "Christians" have become occultic and live by their feelings instead of trusting God to keep His Word. That is idolatry, plain and simple. The Church has become thw world, it has become the enemy of God instead of the Bride of Christ.

Psalm 12:6-7 (KJV) The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Psalm 138:2 (KJV) I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Psalm 119:160 (KJV) Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Proverb 30:5 (KJV) Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Matthew 5:18 (KJV) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.













drgade answered on 04/24/07:

The common bond of all cultist and modern "Christian" groups is still the same as in the Garden of Eden:

Gen 3:1
3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say......'
(from New International Version)

They all cast doubt on the word of God.
Once the doubt of God's word is accomplished, any confusion about who God is and what He desires can be brought in.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/22/07 - Dei Trinitas ... from Novatian .....



Novatian was considered Orthodox by the Church of his own time, yet he argued convincingly that the Father and the Son were separate and distinct beings.



"And I should have enough to do were I to endeavour to gather all [Bible] passages whatsoever on this side; since the Divine Scripture ... everywhere shows Him to be born of the Father, by whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made, who always has obeyed, and obeys the Father, thathe always has power over all things, but as delivered, as granted, as by the Father Himself pemritted to him."


Dei Trinitas, XXVI.



drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Most heresies come about when a person or group try make God small enough to fit into their own limited mind capacities.

Isa 55:8-9

8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.
9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
(from New International Version)

God calls for humility for those who stand before Him.

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peddler2 asked on 04/22/07 - Does right and wrong exist?

Around here is does not seem to. Truth is not agreeing with a known lie to discredit those you disagree with.

When I produce irrefutable evidence that someone is deliberately lying to discredit me those that disagree with me ignore it and throw out red herrings.

I proved beyond any shadow of a doubt Fred was lying to discredit me and I get nonsense like well just because the RCC says that does not mean a majority of Catholics agree. That's absurd. That's dishonest,that is plain wrong.

The person who calls me a liar here over and over has never documented one instance. He calls Tom a liar and never documents one instance. Both of us have documented this lie of Ronnie and Fred and most of you back them up.

Didn't learn that trick in the Bible folks.

Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

The truth is independent of the person giving it. I have never lied here one time. If I have document it.

Supporting the lie of Fred and Ronnie is just as bad as them doing it in the first place, maybe worse.
You have no sense of right and wrong.

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

To avoid God and His Lordship, the world has done well in convincing people that "truth" is relative...which is to say, completely subjective and subject to change at any time.

Most "facts" today are established by majority rule.

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paraclete asked on 04/22/07 - History was never like this, or was it?



A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE WORLD


by Richard Lederer

(Spring 1987, Verbatim, The Language Quarterly, Vol. XIII, No. 4, edited and reprinted without permission)

One of the fringe benefits of being an English or History teacher is receiving the occasional jewel of a student blooper in an essay. I have pasted together the following "history" of the world from certifiably genuine student bloopers collected by teachers through the U.S., from eighth grade through college. Read carefully, and you will learn a lot.

The inhabitants of ancient Egypt were called mummies. They lived in the Sarah Dessert and traveled by Camelot. The climate of the Sarah is such that the inhabitants have to live elsewhere, so certain areas of the dessert are cultivated by irritation. The Egyptians built the Pyramids in the shape of a huge triangular cube. They Pramids are a range of mountains between France and Spain.

The Bible is full of interesting caricatures. In the first book of the Bible, Guinesses, Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree. One of their children, Cain, once asked, "Am I my brother's son?" God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac on Mount Montezuma. Jacob, son of Isaac, stole his brother's birth mark. Jacob was a patriarch who brought up his twelve sons to be patriarchs. But they did not take to it. One of Jacob's sons, Joseph, gave refuse to the Israelites.

Pharaoh forces the Hebrew slaves to make bread without straw. Moses led them to the Red Sea, where they made unleavened bread, which is bread made without any ingredients. Afterwards, Moses went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten commandments. David was a Hebrew king skilled at playing the liar. He fought with the Philatelists, a race of people who lived in Biblical times. Solomon, one of David's sons, had 500 wives and 500 porcupines.

Without the Greeks we wouldn't have history. The Greeks invented three kinds of columns--Corinthian, Doric, and Ironic. They also had myths. A myth is a female moth. One myth says that the mother of Achilles dipped him in the river Stynx until he became intolerable. Achilles appears in the Illiad, by Homer. Homer also wrote the Oddity, in which Penelope was the last hardship that Ulysses endured on his journey. Actually, Homer was not written by Homer but by another man of that name.

Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving people advice. They killed him. In the Olympic Games, Greeks ran races, jumped, hurled the biscuits and threw the java. The reward to the victor was a coral wreath. The government of Athens was democratic because people took the law into their own hands. There were no wars in Greece, as the mountains were so high that they couldn't climb over to see what their neighbors were doing. When they fought with the Persians, the Greeks were outnumbered because the Persians had more men.

Eventually, the Ramons conquered the Geeks. History calls people Romans because they never stayed in one place for very long. At Roman banquets, the guests wore garlics in their hair. Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefields of Gaul. The Ides of March murdered him because they thought he was going to be made king. Nero was a cruel tyranny who would torture his poor subjects by playing the fiddle to them.

Then came the middle Ages. King Alfred conquered the Dames, King Arthur lived in the Age of Shivery, King Harold mustarded his troops before the Battle of Hastings, Joan of Arc was canonized by Bernard Shaw. Finally the Magna Carta provided that no free man should be hanged twice for the same offense.

In midevil times most of the people were alliterate. the greatest writer of the time was Chaucer, who wrote many poems and verses and also wrote literature. Another tale tells of William Tell, who shot an arrow through an apple while standing on his son's head.

The Renaissance was an age in which more individuals felt the value of their human being. Martin Luther was nailed to the church door at Wittenburg for selling papal indulgences. He died a horrible death, being excommunicated by a bull. It was an age of great inventions and discoveries. Gutenberg invented the Bible. Another important invention was the circulation of blood.

The government of England was a limited mockery. Henry VIII found walking difficult because he had a abbess on his knee. Queen Elizabeth was a success because her navy went out and defeated the Spanish Armadillo.

The greatest writer of the Renaissance was William Shakespear. Shakespear never made much money and is famous only because of his plays. He lived at Windsor with his merry wives, writing tragedies, comedies, and errors. Writing at the same time as Shakespear was Miguel Cervantes. He wrote Donkey Hote. The next great author was John Milton. Milton wrote Paradise Lost. Then his wife died and he wrote Paradise Regained.

During the Renaissance America began. Christopher Columbus was a great navigator who discovered America while cursing about the Atlantic. His ships were called the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Fe. Later, the Pilgrims crossed the Ocean, and this was known as Pilgrims Progress. When they landed at Plymouth Rock, they were greeted by the Indians, who came down the hill rolling their war hoops before them. The Indian squabs carried porpoises on their backs. Many of the Indian heroes were killed, along with their cabooses which proved very fatal to them.

One of the causes of the Revolutionary Wars was that the English put tacks in their tea. Also, the colonists would send parcels through the post without stamps. During the War, the Red Coats and Paul Revere was throwing balls over stone walls. The dogs were barking and the peacocks were crowing. Finally, the colonists won the War and no longer had to pay for taxis.

Delegates from the original thirteen states formed the Contented Congress. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were two singers of the declaration of Independence. Franklin invented electricity by rubbing cats backwards and declared, "a horse divided against itself cannot stand." Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead. George Washington married Martha Curtis and in due time because the Father of our Country. The Constitution was adopted to secure domestic hostility. Under the Constitution the people enjoyed the right to keep bare arms.

Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he built with his own hands. When Lincoln was President, he wore only a tall silk hat. He said, "In onion there is strength." Abraham Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg Address while traveling from Washington to Gettysburg on the back of an envelope. the Fourteenth Amendment gave the ex-Negros citizenship. But the Clue Clux Clan would torcher and lynch the ex-Negroes and other innocent victims. It claimed it represented law and odor. On the night of April 14, 1865, Lincoln went to the theater and got shot in his seat by one of the actors in a moving picture show by John Wilkes Booth, a supposingly insane actor. This ruined Booth's career.

Meanwhile in Europe, the enlightenment was a reasonable time. Voltaire invented electricity and also wrote a book called Candy. Gravity was invented by Isaac Walton. It is chiefly noticeable in the autumn, when the apples are falling off the trees.

Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was Handel. Handel was half German, half Italian, and half English. He was very large. Bach died from 1750 to the present. Beethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf he wrote loud music. He took long walks in the forest even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later died for this.

France was in a serious state. The Marseillaise was the theme song of the French Revolution. During the Napoleonic Wars, the crowned heads of Europe were trembling in their shoes. Then the Spanish gorillas came down from the hills and nipped at Napoleon's flanks. Napoleon wanted an heir to inherit his power, but since Josephine was a baroness, she couldn't bear children.

The sun never set on the British Empire because the British Empire is in the East and the sun sets in the West. Queen Victoria was the longest queen. She sat on a thorn for 63 years. Her reclining years and finally the end of her life were exemplary of a great personality. Her death was the final event which ended her reign.

The nineteenth century was a time of many great inventions and thoughts. The invention of the steamboat caused a network of rivers to spring up. Samuel Morse invented a code of telepathy. Louis Pasteur discovered a cure for rabbis. Charles Darwin was a naturalist who wrote the Organ of the Species. Madman Curie discovered radium. And Karl Marx became one of the Marx brothers. World War I, caused by the assignation of the Arch-Duck by a surf, ushered in a new error in human history.

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Ah, that was refreshing.

Sometimes their "history" sounds better than ours.

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arcura asked on 04/22/07 - How's that for an average?.......................

A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a
year.

Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of
beer a year.

That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon."


drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Thanks. I needed that amidst all the bickering.

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peddler2 asked on 04/23/07 - Why is black skin a curse?

For behold, the Lord shall acurse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people


drgade answered on 04/23/07:

God doesn't say anything about blackness being part of a curse on some people. That's just another lie of the devil to bring on some more hatred and boasting over others.

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paraclete asked on 04/23/07 - THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION?

You have to read it all to get there

Silly science drought breaker

By Janet Fife-Yeomans

April 23, 2007 12:00am
Article from: The Daily Telegraph


THE iceberg that floated into Sydney Harbour made for spectacular photographs and created headlines worldwide - even though it wasn't real.

The fake iceberg made of white plastic and shaving cream was an April Fools Day joke staged back in 1978 by publicity-hungry entrepreneur Dick Smith.

The stunt wasn't as crazy as it looked. Smith got the idea from reading about an overseas company said to be seriously considering towing an iceberg from Antarctica to Saudi Arabia to solve that nation's fresh water crisis.

The fact that the time it would take to get it there - 128 days - would be 24 days longer than it would take for the iceberg to melt, did not deter some scientists from examining how to wrap the iceberg in plastic to preserve it.

After all, surmised one, the surface area of the iceberg would only be about 40 times the area of the MCG and if they can cover the cricket ground quickly in case of rain, couldn't we do it to an iceberg?

It would be even easier to get icebergs to Australia, what with Antarctica on our doorstep.

The icebergs would be met by offshore melting and treatment plants with pipes to feed into the urban water supply.

In 1989, the South Australian government went so far as to commission a study which costed an operational scheme at about $1.8 billion.

Desperate times call for desperate measures and never before has Australia been as desperate for water as it is today.

Iceberg towing, building a mountain range, digging a transcontinental canal, making rain clouds and piping water from PNG - you name the crackpot idea and some visionary has already had it.

Car-parking the catchments (so water will run off the concrete and not be lost in the land), whipping up a cloud and piping water from Tasmania - however unviable, however expensive, they've all been considered.

Not all of the schemes put up over the years to deliver the nation from drought are pie in the sky.

What about planting crops for the Australian environment or farming native livestock like kangaroos and emus?

Irrigated agriculture accounts for almost three quarters of the total water use, producing wheat, cotton, rice, sugar, fruit and vegetables.

Green fields of fodder for livestock are thirsty, using between 20 and 28 per cent of the total water usage.

Scientists have suggested replacing some traditional crops with native grasses and shrubs for pasture, native fruit and vegetables.

Australia has a native equivalent of wheat in wattle seed. Nutritious and safe to eat, it has been made into bread in Australia for thousands of years and relies on natural rainfall, not irrigation.

Fruits and vegetables (not including grapes) use 6 per cent of Australia's water. Native fruit and vegetables like bush tomatoes, lilly pilly, bush potato, bush banana, Warrigal spinach do not.

Native grasses such as Mitchell grass and blow away grass not only withstand drought but fatten sheep and help produce top quality wool.

It won't happen overnight but it will have to happen. With drought again battering the land, Australian consumers can no longer rely on farmers who can no longer rely on the rivers and who can no longer wait for governments to get their act together and do something tangible to solve our water crisis.

Turn back the clock to late 2002 when, in the midst of what was then one of the worst droughts since rainfall records began, the nation rallied behind the farmers and raised more than $24 million for the Farmhand Foundation. The money was distributed to more than 16,000 farming families.

Farmhand believed the problem was not lack of water. The problem was the management of water, its source, its availability, its harvesting and the infrastructure needed to respond to the demands of communities and the environment.

So what about that iceberg or mountain range? A group of water experts - scientists and engineers - evaluated every one of those plans for Farmhand.

There was one major problem with the artificial mountain range in the west of Australia that would create rain to soak the dry interior - material.

It would take 40 million million cubic metres of material, five times all the earth moved in the whole of human history, including mining and land clearing.

Apart from the catastrophic environmental impact of moving icebergs, the depth of an iceberg would prevent it from getting any closer to Australia that the continental shelf, 50km off shore.

That transcontinental canal to split the continent and carry salt water into the interior where it could provide fresh water through desalination plants would cost more than $200 billion.

It could also cut into and drain the Great Artesian Basin without a watertight seal along the canal.

Proposals to pipe water from PNG, Tasmania or the Ord River Scheme are likely to remain pipedreams because of the cost and environmental implications.

An "egg whisk" machine using sea water and a spray turbine to create rain has been on the drawing board in Edinburgh and Australia could get 3000 of them for the cost of a B2-A Stealth bomber.

However scientists do not believe it would work in our climatic conditions.

The single most common solution suggested to Farmhand was that we should all learn to live in harmony with our dry continent and put our trust in God. Well, it's cheap.

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

The "harmony" needs to be recognizing that there are areas in which we CAN'T live and still expect our desired luxury.

Of course, IF we could help restore the greenhouse effect once again on earth (as it was before the Flood) there would be lush growing all around the globe.

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kindj asked on 04/23/07 - How was your weekend?

Here's what ours looked like:

"Photo


And the big one: (no, that's not a rain wall as I first thought. That is a big honkin' tornado.)

"Photo

We had a whole mess of these things Saturday, all within about a 100 mile area (our local weather coverage area). Luckily, at this time, there are no major injuries, and no deaths, which is a miracle considering the size of the one that hit Tulia square-on. A few teachers I work with live in area towns that were hit, and they're off today, picking up the pieces.

If you're so inclined, you might drop a word to The Man for some comfort and help for these folks. A little mercy wouldn't hurt either, since there's a pretty good chance of more storms today and tomorrow.

I don't know how things turned out further north, but I bet Steve will let us know.

DK

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

I enjoyed a weekend off in Healdsburg and Santa Rosa. One cloudburst of rain, but otherwise green and flowers all around.

I've got relatives that were in the bad stuff though and gotten pictures from them.

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madddawg asked on 04/23/07 - happy Yom Haatzmaut

Today God's chosen people will be celebrating their return to the Holy land.
Isaiah 11:11 it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Acts 1:6-7 6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
What are the prophetic implications for the church?

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Don't forget the preceding verse:

Isa 11:10-11

10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. 11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant........
(from New International Version)

The "Root of Jesse" is very important!

As the once Jewish teacher was given to say to both Jews and Gentiles:

Acts 13:22-27
22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. He testified concerning him: 'I have found David son of Jesse a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.'

23 "From this man's descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised. 24 Before the coming of Jesus, John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel. 25 As John was completing his work, he said: 'Who do you think I am? I am not that one. No, but he is coming after me, whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.'

26 "Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. 27 The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath.
(from New International Version)



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madddawg asked on 04/23/07 - Christian zionism

Wednesday, June 28, 2006
‘Zionist Christians Adopt Satan as God’
An article by Hamed Al-Tamimi, a Moslem cleric on the Palestinian Authority’s Supreme Judicial Council, blasts Zionist Christians. The article by Tamimi, who was appointed before Hamas came to power, appeared on the council’s website and was reported by Palestinian Media Watch.

Here are some excerpts:

Very few people know the truth about this [Zionist Christian] movement, which unconditionally supports the Zionist enemy, and unconditionally opposes Islam and the Moslems…These Crusader motivations stand behind the British and American policy in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other Arab and Moslem countries.

They [Zionist Christians] are a group which adopted Satan as God, and he drives their crazy nature. They have praised depravity and cursed virtue, they have turned the moral scale upside down and have reached [a point] in which forgery, deception, and lying have turned into descriptions of world policy.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=129&view=item&idx=1052

Should Christians support the return of God's chosen people to the Holy Land?

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Sure, on a political basis. What nation is closer to us in seeking civil righteousness and fair courts?

Theologicaly??? Not really. Isreal needs to go back to its roots and read the prophets of Isaiah and Jeremiah's time....and heed what God says about both parts of the covenant with them.

This is not exclude those who call themselves the Christian church but ignore the covenant.

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Itsdb asked on 04/23/07 - How committed are you?

Since stopping global warming is all the talk now, how committed are you? Rocker Sheryl Crow makes the following suggestions:

    Although my ideas are in the earliest stages of development, they are, in my mind, worth investigating. One of my favorites is in the area of forest conservation which we heavily rely on for oxygen. I propose a limitation be put on how many squares of toilet paper can be used in any one sitting. Now, I don't want to rob any law-abiding American of his or her God-given rights, but I think we are an industrious enough people that we can make it work with only one square per restroom visit, except, of course, on those pesky occasions where 2 to 3 could be required. When presenting this idea to my younger brother, who's judgment I trust implicitly, he proposed taking it one step further. I believe his quote was, "how bout just washing the one square out."

    I also like the idea of not using paper napkins, which happen to be made from virgin wood and represent the height of wastefulness. I have designed a clothing line that has what's called a "dining sleeve." The sleeve is detachable and can be replaced with another "dining sleeve," after usage. The design will offer the "diner" the convenience of wiping his mouth on his sleeve rather than throwing out yet another barely used paper product. I think this idea could also translate quite well to those suffering with an annoying head cold.


Reportedly, Sheryl touched Karl Rove over the weekend and he objected, can she not figure out why?

Someone mentioned an Army directive on conserving toilet paper from the sixties this morning that might be helpful in deciding which way to vote:

    Take one square of toilet paper, fold it in half and then in half again so you have an equal square, tear off one corner to create a hole for you middle finger for traction.


OK, so who's in, one square of toilet paper per sitting?

Wearing snot on your sleeves, yes or no?

Bonus question, does Anyone know what Sheryl's guitars are made of?

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Some of my prayers are being answered.

I've been praying for some time now that the foolishness and utter stupidity of the alarmist preaching (and perhaps hoping for) global- warming -which -will -destroy- man become clear to the general public.

I hope that Crow succeeds in becoming their spokesperson.

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MaggieB asked on 04/23/07 - The God of the Bible

God answers prayer and He does so plainly. Does He give me everything I want? Of course not! Nor do I give my children everything I want either, sometimes what they want is not in their best interests.

There are a lot of people out there with strange ideas about God. There are deists who believe God exists but He is not involved in day to day things. He set the universe to run then left us alone. There are people who see God only as some form of cosmic killjoy out to ruin everyone's fun and stomp on them with a giant Monty Python-ish foot when they disobey. Such a God does not answer prayer. There are some who say there is no God. Personally, I think that take way more faith than to believe in God. There are people who think of God as a cosmic genie there just to give them their every wish and want to disregard His call to holiness.

The God of the Bible, the God whom me and my family serve is a holy, righteous, and loving God who is involved in every aspect of our lives. Yes He is a God of wrath as well, holiness cannot abide sin, but He loves His children. Anyone who preaches or teaches a different God does not know the truth. Anyone who teaches that we cannot understand the Bible or encounter God personally teaches lies.

Yes there are some gray areas where godly men and women can disagree but the idea that He is distant or unknowable is straight from the pit of hell.

He is personal and He is knowable. He has made His will abundantly clear in His Word. He has shown us our need for a redeemer and who that redeemer is in His Word. He has given us easily understood truth in His Word. Sound doctrine and biblical literacy have not lost their place.

People invent their own "gods" that serve them. Beware of such people and teachers.

2 Timothy 3:1-4-4 NIV
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth--men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings--what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Great post!

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hOPE12 asked on 04/23/07 - Here is something to think about!

What does it mean to you to be a “Christian??”

When You say, "I am a Christian," Are you shouting, "I've been saved!"
Or are you whispering, "I get lost! That's why I chose this way.”

When You say, "I am a Christian," Do You speak with human pride?
Or do You openly confess, I have stumbled and I -need God to be my guide.”

When You say, "I am a Christian," Do you claim you are perfect and strong?
Our do You begin professing “I'm weak and pray for the strength to carry on.?

When You say, "I am a Christian," Are you bragging of success?
Or do you humbly admit, “ I've failed and cannot ever pay the debt.”

When You say, "I am a Christian," Do You think You know it all?
Or do you submit to God and ask Him humbly to be taught.

When You say, "I am a Christian," Does that mean you are claiming to be perfect?
Or do you realize that Your Flaws are visible God, but He forgives everyone that asks, because he loves us.

When You say, "I am a Christian," Do You still feel you are superior?
Or do You place yourself as inferior to others?

When You say, "I am a Christian," Do You always wish to judge all?
Or do you feel that job for You,is just to tall?

When You say, “I am a Christian.” Do You talk down to others?
Or do you truly love them, as you would your sister’s and brothers?

When You say, “I am a Christian.” Who do You see in Your mirror reflection?
As to if You are truly living up to your claim, “I am a Christian?”

Take care,
Hope12

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

Being a Christian excludes pride, or as the Bible calls it, "boasting" over others.

Jesus told us that He didn't come for the people who thought they were good.

Matt 9:12-13

12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
(from New International Version)

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peddler7118 asked on 04/23/07 - Tropical Disaster -there may be hope after all!

Last Chance

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

"last chance" of what? I got a course book on reading.

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holly_ asked on 04/23/07 - True Religion

Hello Christians
I have been on a quest to find the true Religion, with the World becoming in such a paralyzing state, where people have grown cold towards one another, how can we tell what is a "True Religion" or is there such a thing such as a "true Religion"?
Thank you, Experts.
Holly.

drgade answered on 04/23/07:

I know that what I have is the "True Religion" but I see it more as believing and knowing that God is real,He is powerful in the lives of His children and He LOVES US.

Because of the many denominations in Christianity, sometimes it seems that no one does have the truth. Yet, in most of these denominations there are those who know God as He is and have been agreeing with each other for centuries and all over the world.

This is to say, "You need to seek(quest) God" personally.

Matt 7:7-8

7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; a


Acts 17:24-28

24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 28'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'


Heb 11:5-6
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.



He has revealed Himself in His Word in what we call the Bible ...and gives the spiritual power to understand what He has written over the centuries to those looking for Him.

There is no way for some one to "prove" God to you or even present Him according to the much too limited logic of man. If you are really looking for Him, you will find Him because He is looking for you:

Rev 3:20-22

20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
(all passages from New International Version)

I'd be happy to help you all that I can.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/21/07 - How can you believe in a Triune God and infinite gods?

Ronnie your whole argument is perposterous. Mormons are not Christians because they do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah, the Christ.
Christ is not a last name it is the title of the God-man. The creator of the universe who became our redeemer.

Mormonism believes there are an infinite number of men evolving into gods to create and populate their own planet by having eternal sex with multiple goddesses goddessessin a universe that created itself.

That is the truth ,there is no truth in you.

drgade answered on 04/21/07:

Most people of the world love a religion where they can be gods.

Gen 3:4-5

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,
(from New International Version)

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paraclete asked on 04/21/07 - I KNOW WHO IS THERE

More humour to stop this seriousness

A precocious 4 year old was brought to the ER with a severe cough. She kept up a non-stop conversation while the nurse was trying to assess her lung sounds. Finally the nurse said, "SHHH! I have to see if Barney is in there." The child looked at the nurse calmly and said, "Jesus is in my heart. Barney is on my underwear.."

drgade answered on 04/21/07:

Mark 10:14-16
He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." 16 And he took the children in his arms, put his hands on them and blessed them.
(from New International Version)

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paraclete asked on 04/21/07 - AN INTERESTING TALE


YOUR KEY TO HEAVEN'S GATE

AFTERLIFE: an Eyewitness Account of Reviving from Death!
Gruesome Description of Hell Points Way to Becoming an Immortal Starson

While the modern, mundane world likes to think of itself as being only material or physical, the facts of life are that Man has a Soul or a non-material Mind (spirit). And, that Soul will live on after the death of the physical body. But what will that Afterlife be like? (This question is on the minds of many people--especially as they near the end of their physical life!)

Into this void of understanding have stepped many of the New Agers. And their presses have published many accounts of people who have died and then been revived. They tell us of descending to a pleasant place or garden, before they were brought back to life. And others have insisted that we will just sleep there until we come back in some other life (reincarnation?)! Can this really be so?

However, not all the accounts of revival after death have been pleasant. For, others have given a vivid Description of Hell and warned us of the Bottomless Pit and the Lake of Fire that burns forever to consume the wicked for all eternity. Yet, these unpleasant experience have not been picked up and published by the popular presses. So, which view is accurate?

Now, into this ring of controversy, it is time that I cast my own hat, and detail my own personal Afterlife experience (and give an account of my own return from Death).


AFTERLIFE: A Disturbing Eyewitness Account

My Parents had went to church in earlier years, but by the time I came around, they had gotten out of the church going mode. So, I was raised pretty secularly, without much thought to the Spiritual World or Religion. (The worldly philosophers were my main mentors.)

And in my teenage years, I slid into dabbling in the Occult. Then, I began to encounter some rather bizarre and weird health problems, that the doctors could just not explain. Thus, it came to pass, that in my Junior Year of High School, I walked into my U.S. History Class, sat down, felt a little dizzy, and promptly passed out--dying, having no heart beat and no respiration for a long time, that they could find! Without doubt, by all accounts I WAS DEAD!

However, I recall it all very vividly: I woke (from collapsing), floating up above my body, and looking down on it, which was laying on the classroom floor, with lots of people gathered around.

I then felt a sinking feeling and began going down some dark tunnel or passageway in the direction of the center of the earth (or so it felt). (Ecclesiates 3:21 and 12:7)


THE MYSTERIOUS LAND OF MISTS:
Shortly, I woke up, lying on the grass of what appeared to be a pleasant tropical garden. The sun was out, though I could not clearly see it as it was so misty and foggy everywhere. But, then I came to myself and remembered an old saying about Hell being downward--so I woke up a bit and asked myself: how could I be in a pleasant garden when I had fallen downward, towards Hell? (And, how could there be a sun, if I was underground???) So, I got up and began to search through the garden, which only got more misty and the fog rolled in even thicker, so that I could only see less and less! (II Peter 2:17 and Revelations 9:2 i.e. smoke or fog) And, strangley, this seems to also match the Viking accounts of Death and its visits to the Land of Mists!

As I ran through the mists, I began to hear and then see these shadowy figures also moving through the fog. I could not see them clearly, but I could tell the general direction that they were going, so I decided to follow them. And, I noted that the land seem to slope more and more downward, like I was headed down a hill that got ever steeper and steeper.


THE GREAT, BOTTOMLESS PIT:
As I went deeper into this hidden Valley (Psalms 23:4), I began to smell the most awful smell that I had ever sniffed! And, then, suddenly, I was out from under the cloud cover and looking down upon a great chasm (like the Valley of the Shadow of Death). Running through the midst of this Valley was a great open fissure, like the Grand Canyon. It was very wide, but I could see across it to its distant side and hills beyond. And, up out of this Pit rose vapors that looked like very fine smoke and rose up to make the cloud cover all over, above the Valley.

I could see lots of these dark, shadowy creatures carrying bundles to the PIT, like ants milling over an ant hill. So, I decided to go down and take a look, to see just what was happening.

As I got to the edge of the PIT, I began to hear this awful groaning and moaning--the worst sound that I had ever heard. I looked over into the PIT and saw that the vapors made it dark and dismal below--and the blast of the great heat hit my face, like the air coming out of a furnace! But I could still make out the bodies of people, bound hand and foot, and slowly sinking or floating deeper into the PIT (Luke 16:23-25). And, about that time, I realized that these shadowy creatures were bringing people, bound hand and foot, and casting them over the edge of the cliff and into this Bottomless Pit! (Or, Hebrew: Sheol Psalms 28:1, 30:9, 88:3-7; Proverbs 1:12; John 15:6; Revelations 9:1-3)


THE BURNING LAKE OF FIRE:
At about this time, there was a shout behind me: "You are still attached, you must go back!" I turned and saw this white, gleaming creature behind me. And he pointed down to the ground behind me, where I saw this white or bright colored cord attached to me and trailing back up behind me and on back up into the mists, above (Ecclessiastes 11:6). This angel came and tried to lead me back up the hill, but I grabbed him and began to wrestle with him, to make him tell me where I was and answer my questions (Like: if I was in Hell, where was the Lake of Fire?)--or I wasn't going to let him take me back! (Not without a fight, anyway.)

Suddenly, a Voice from above the clouds boomed: "Take him!" And, then, I found myself standing almost immediately on the edge of another great fissure, only this one was like the mouth of an open volcano (blazing bright with reddish light--and hot as an oven--whereas the Pit had been dark and murky: without light), with fiery lava moving about, below, in that Valley. But, it also spread out for miles (but larger than the Great Pit), and yet I could see its distant shores (I thought) and the (blue?) hills (flames?) beyond, just before the far away horizon. (Lake of Fire: Revelations 20:14-15)

"Now I must take you back!" said the angel. "No! (I shouted!) Where are all the People? If this is Hell, why aren't people being cast in, like at the Great Pit?" And, we began to wrestle once more. (Levels of Hell: Psalms 86:13, 88:3-7; Ephesians 4:8-10; Revelations 20:14)


TRIP TO HEAVEN'S GATE:
Once again, the Voice from up above the clouds spoke: "Bring him!" And before I could say more, we went up and I found myself laying on this polished and smooth floor in some kind of great room or Hall (Gatehouse?). But, there was no strength in me and I could not get up nor hardly even move. I twisted my head and saw this gigantic clock, several stories high, nearby. And if I read it correctly, it was somewhere around 11:00. (Time was about up, I thought?)

"Yes, Time is about up!" the Great Voice spoke. "And, I may have given you the key to great power, but you have not found the key to enter in to here. GO BACK AND FIND IT!"


RETURN FROM DEATH

I found myself slowly coming to, in the school's sick room, with an oxygen mask attached to my face. The school had apparently call the ambulance and as the attendants had found me dead, they had begun to work feverishly on reviving me. And, they were successful! (Even though I had been medical dead for quite some time!)

However, the full experience was still in my memory. And, I began to tell people what I had seen. And I began asking and searching all over for that KEY. But, then people started saying that I must have been on drugs and it was just an hallucination! Worse yet, as I kept asking about the KEY, others started saying that I had lost my marbles. So, I quit talking about it. (Though I certainly wondered a lot to myself about it!)


DISCOVERY OF THE KEY

While the wicked of the world had shouted me down about what I had experienced, and silenced me, I did not give up. I kept on that intellectual and spiritual quest to find out the TRUTH--what this KEY must be. And, it wasn't until years later that I found it!

As I was reading through the Bible, I found this Passage clearly recorded, and it was plain that THIS was what was being talked about to me in that Afterlife expericence:

"Woe unto you, Lawyers (Pharisees)! For you have taken away the KEY OF (Spiritual) KNOWLEDGE! You entered not in (to Heaven) yourselves, and those who were (attempting) to enter you have hindered! (Luke 11:52)

Nor is this the only clue that God has given about this great spiritual KEY--the KEY of Spiritual Knowledge! We find HIM saying more:

"MY (God's) People are destroyed (perish in the PIT) for lack of (Spiritual) KNOWLEDGE! Because you have rejected (MY) KNOWLEDGE, I will also reject you!... " (Hosea 4:6)

So, seek God while there is still time to find HIM! And don't let yourself be bound hand and foot and cast into that Great Pit! Find that Spiritual Knowledge that will be your KEY to Heaven's Gate!


THE CALL TO SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE

Hey, don't tell me that you know better! I have been there! I saw the Great Pit with my own eyes! I smelled the terrible stench with my own nose! And I heard the screams and cries of the people there with my own ears! So, until you have an eyewitness experience yourself, you can't possibly know enough to criticize what I saw! And as far as I am concerned, it was, ideed, a very clear Description of Hell! (And, if you doubt it, look up those Scriptural Passages that also describe what I saw!)

So, let's get down to business! It is time you faced what your Afterlife is going to be like. And, it is time that you got that SPIRITUAL KNOWLEDGE that will be your KEY to Heaven's Gate! Now, we aren't just talking about head-knowledge here. We are talking about heart-knowledge or rather wisdom (experience). It is time that you experienced God and got to know HIM better (intimately)!

So, just repeat this following prayer with me. It forms a kind of Spiritual Covenant or contract between you and God. And, be sure to say it out-loud, so that God will know that you agree to it!

Father God, I confess to YOU that I am a sinner and have done wrongs in YOUR SIGHT--and deserve to be cast into HELL as my punishment.

But, I plead with YOU to forgive me of my sins, because of YOUR Son, Jesus, who died on the Cross, shedding HIS Blood to pay for my sins--as my death by proxy (that I might enter Heaven and be with YOU upon my death).

I now renouce the Devil, his followers, and all of their wicked ways and command them, in Jesus' Name, to be gone from my life!

Instead, Heavenly Father, send YOUR precious Holy Ghost into my heart and life--to lead me and guide me in following the Ways that are pleasing to YOU.

Great! You now have the Key to Heaven's Gate in your hand. So, use it! (Put it in your heart!) Come, and enter this Spiritual REGENERATION, with the rest of us! (For this is how you get STAR BORN--or Reborn or Saved. Or, as some say, Born Again.) For, by taking God's Spirit into your heart, you become a new spiritual being (II Corinthians 5:17 and Colosians 1:12-15)--a Starson! Therefore, don't just sit there. (At least go tell someone else about it!)

drgade answered on 04/21/07:

Very interesting!

Where can I find out more about the author?

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madddawg asked on 04/21/07 - The great debate

The story is told of an atheist in London who challenged a prominent Christian minister to debate on the existence of God. “Let’s hire a great hall. Let’s put out big advertisements. Let’s go before a big crowd. They can decide who is right.”
The clergyman readily accepted the challenge. But he said, “Let’s not just talk. We are not trying to see who is the best talker. Let’s do it the way they do it in a court of law. Let’s produce witnesses. I’ll call up former drunkards who have been changed into highly esteemed citizens by becoming believers in God. I’ll call up former prostitutes who have become devoted social workers. I’ll call up former murderers who have become trusted fathers and honored by the community. You do the same. You bring witnesses whose lives have been changed from evil to good by believing there is no God.
The atheist quickly canceled the whole thing.
The Seven Great I Am’s Archibald Campbell, Christian Literature Crusade, page 64.

In what way has atheism improved the condition of the world?

drgade answered on 04/21/07:

Atheism improves the self esteem of those who feel they can do well without God.

Matt 9:10-13

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
(from New International Version)

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/20/07 - Ankerberg, Weldon, McKeever, Maddawg, Tom, peddler, et al take a beating .........................

From Professor Dan Peterson, a scholarof the Middle East, ancient texts, and who is, not that it matters to scholarship, a Mormon: Those who disagree will need to dispute his scholarship beyond doubt. Hurling epithets will not serve!



"How is it possible," Ankerberg and Weldon [Everything You Always Wanted to Know About the Book of Mormon] ask, "that Jewish [sic] writers between 600 B.C. and A.D. 421 would discuss the social and religious issues unique to nineteenth-century Christian America?" (p. 278; cf. 279). They then cite, as exam ples of these "issues unique to nineteenth-century Christian America," Fawn Brodie's citation of Alexander Campbell's famous list of "great controversies" that had been "discussed in New York for the last ten years": "infant baptism, ordination, the trinity, regeneration, repentance, justification, the fall of man, the atonement, transubstantiation, fasting, penance, church government, religious experience, the call to the ministry, the general resurrection, eternal punishment, who may baptize, and even the question of Freemasonry, Republican government and the rights of man" (p. 279).

But, apart from "Freemasonry, Republican government and the rights of man," there is not an item on Campbell's list that is "unique to nineteenth-century Christian America." (Actually, even those three are not precisely unique.) Indeed, for many of the issues Campbell raises, it would be difficult to find a century of the Christian era in which such matters were not discussed. As for Campbell's last three items, I do not know of a discussion of "the rights of man" in the Book of Mormon in anything even remotely like a nineteenth-century sense. Nor does "Republican government" appear to be a feature of Nephite-­much less Jaredite!-­society.120 And I have argued elsewhere that Freemasonry does not appear in the Book of Mormon.121

* "In Helaman 14:20," report Ankerberg and Weldon, "the darkness over the face of the land is said to have lasted for three days instead of the biblical three hours (Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33)" (p. 322).

They want their readers to see a contradiction here. They do not mention that the Book of Mormon's claim of three days of darkness122 is advanced only with regard to the Western Hemisphere, and that the New Testament's description of three hours of darkness pertains only to the Eastern Hemisphere. There is no contradiction, because the two books are describing two different situations. No Latter-day Saint has ever claimed, on the basis of the Book of Mormon, that the darkness in the Old World "lasted for three days instead of the biblical three hours." No, that false claim is made on our behalf by our helpful anti-Mormon friends.

* And they immediately try it again. "In Alma 46:15 it teaches that the name Christian was taken in the Americas in 73 B.C. whereas in Acts 11:26, 'The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch' Syria around A.D. 50" (p. 322).
Daniel C. Peterson, Review of Books on the Book of Mormon, p.62
Once more, though, Alma's narrative is discussing the situation in the New World, while the events related in the Acts of the Apostles take place in the Old World. So far as the author of Acts knew, and so far as his story was concerned, it was indeed in Antioch that the disciples were first termed "Christians." Only the most rigid fundamentalist would find this problematic.123 No Latter-day Saint ever has.

* "The Book of Mormon teaches that Jesus Christ was born at Jerusalem (Alma 7:10). Of course, the Bible teaches He was born at Bethlehem (Matthew 2:1)." However, since Bethlehem is five or six miles from Jerusalem, and a distinct town, "Alma 7:10 is clearly a false prophecy" (p. 364; cf. 353).124

I confess that I have never quite seen the point of this hoary old anti-Mormon chestnut.125 After all, from across the ocean, the distance between Jerusalem and Bethlehem would hardly have seemed significant to a Nephite.126 I myself, when in the Middle East or Europe (or, often, even in Utah), routinely answer "Los Angeles" when asked where I am originally from, although that answer is literally untrue, and the more accurate reply would be "Pasadena" (birthplace), or "San Gabriel" (residence through high school), or even "Whittier" (current residence of my parents). And no Latter-day Saint has ever, to my knowledge, claimed or believed because of Alma 7:10 that Jesus was not born in Bethlehem. Nevertheless, because this objection continues to be so popular among certain critics of the Book of Mormon, it probably deserves some attention. However, since Ankerberg and Weldon offer virtually nothing in the way of coherent argument, it will occasionally be necessary-­in order to have an interlocutor worthy of such attention-­to draw on the writings of other anti-Mormons.

Why did Alma not give a more precise location for the birth of Jesus? Probably because he was talking to people some five centuries removed from any direct knowledge of the geography of Judea. Bethlehem is never mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and its exact location would almost certainly have been unknown to the average nonscholarly Nephite. We know that texts from the Bible were available to the Nephites, but we cannot be certain what they were. Furthermore, copies of the scriptures are unlikely to have been widely distributed among ordinary people since, without the printing press, they would simply have been too expensive. A prophetic reference to a small unfamiliar village near Jerusalem would, therefore, likely have been meaningless to Alma's audience. Jerusalem, by contrast, was well known and frequently mentioned.

Let us illustrate the situation with a hypothetical member of the Brigham Young University faculty, temporarily assigned to duty at the Jerusalem Center for Near Eastern Studies. If, upon his return, he were to state, "I lived for six months in Ramat Eshkol"-­a perfectly plausible claim, since the university has, in fact, maintained faculty apartments in Ramat Eshkol-­how many people would know the place to which he referred? Very few. On the other hand, if he were to say, "I lived six months in Jerusalem," everyone would understand. But Ramat Eshkol is a suburb of Jerusalem, several miles to the north, and technically not part of the city itself. Thus, to those familiar with the microgeography of Jerusalem and Israel, Ramat Eshkol would be a meaningful geographical designator. To those only vaguely familiar with Israel, however, Jerusalem would be much more meaningful. Therefore, since those ignorant of Jerusalem's microgeography significantly outnumber those who know it (especially in North America), our hypothetical professor will usually say that he lived in Jerusalem. Does this somehow make him a liar? Or, more drastically, are we to assume-­paralleling the methods of the anti-Mormons-­that, because he says he lived in Jerusalem instead of Ramat Eshkol, he never lived in Israel at all, and, indeed, that he doesn't even exist?

It is worth noting here that the geographical details in the Book of Mormon relating to Palestine and the Near East are in deed vague and sparse, while those relating to the New World are complex, precise, consistent, and detailed.127 This poses a problem for both fundamentalist anti-Mormons and secular environmentalist critics. If the Book of Mormon were in fact a nineteenth-century forgery, we would expect geographical precision to be reflected in terminology relating to Palestinian and biblical geography, which Joseph Smith could have plagiarized from the Bible. We would expect vagueness to be found in the geography of the New World, which Joseph Smith had to invent. In fact, however, just the opposite is true.

Furthermore, to suggest that Joseph Smith knew the pre cise location of Jesus' baptism by John ("in Bethabara, beyond Jordan" 1 Nephi 10:9), but hadn't a clue about the famous town of Christ's birth, is so improbable as to be ludicrous.128 Do anti-Mormons seriously mean to suggest that the Book of Mormon's Bible-drenched author or authors missed one of the most obvious facts about the most popular story in the Bible-­something known to every child and to every singer of Christmas carols?129 Do they intend to say that a clever fraud who could write a book displaying so wide an array of subtle and authentic Near Eastern and biblical cultural and literary traits as the Book of Mormon does was nonetheless so stupid as to claim, to a Bible-reading public, that Jesus was born in the city of Jerusalem? As one anti-Mormon author has pointed out, "Every schoolboy and schoolgirl knows Christ was born in Bethlehem.蕒 Exactly! It is virtually certain, therefore, that Alma 7:10 was as foreign to Joseph Smith's preconceptions as it is to those of the average anti-Mormon zealot. He is hardly likely to have twisted the Christmas story in so obvious a way, to have raised so noticeable a red flag, if he were trying to perpetrate a deception.

However, although nobody would ever learn it from Ankerberg and Weldon, the Book of Mormon's prophecy that Christ would be born "at Jerusalem which is the land of our fa thers" fits remarkably well with what we now know to have been ancient usage. They seem, as usual, to know nothing of previous Latter-day Saint writing on this subject.131 Yet, far from casting doubt upon the authenticity of the book, the state ment in Alma 7:10 represents a striking bull's-eye.

"Many excuses have been made," says one dedicated critic of the Church, "as to why Joseph Smith claimed Jesus was born 'at Jerusalem' and not Bethlehem as the Bible describes.蕔 I know of nobody making "excuses." Nor do I know of any Latter-day Saint who would agree that the Book of Mormon teaches that the Savior was born in the city of Jerusalem, and not Bethlehem. Alma 7:10 does not even mention the city of Jerusalem. What we have here, as happens so very frequently, is anti-Mormons telling us what we believe and informing us, over our strong protests, what our sacred texts really mean. It is enemies of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who insist that Alma 7:10 contradicts the Bible. Latter-day Saints are quite content to believe both Alma and the New Testament, and to see them in harmony. Happily, the evidence is overwhelmingly on our side.

Bethlehem, it seems, belonged to a district known as "the land of Jerusalem," of which Jerusalem proper was the capital or "mother-city" (metropolis). Such things were hardly unknown in antiquity. "City and state often have the same name in the Ancient Orient, although distinct entities.蕕 Thus, for instance, northern Syria's "Carchemish" was both city and land.134 Egyptian texts of the Twelfth Dynasty, dating from the nineteenth century B.C., likewise seem to suggest that the ancient Palestinian city of Shechem was surrounded by a "land" of the same name, as do the so-called "Amarna letters," which date to approximately 1400 b.c.135 The Amarna letters also allude to "a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi by name," which the illustrious W. F. Albright regarded as "an almost certain reference to the town of Bethlehem.蕘 This is interesting evidence, which goes some distance to establishing the plausibility of Alma's prophecy since it give us a glimpse of an ancient administrative arrangement in the vicinity of Jerusalem. It shows, from an ancient perspective, that it was possible to conceptualize the regions surrounding a major city, including its dependent villages, as "the land of" that city. And it demonstrates, furthermore, that Bethlehem itself was, at least at one point, anciently regarded as a part of Jerusalem's "land," exactly as in the Book of Mormon.

However, one vocal critic of the Book of Mormon, Bill McKeever, contends that the Amarna letters are far too old to be relevant. "It would," he declares, "be like using a letter from King George III to prove the United States could still be rightly called the colonies." 137 McKeever overstates his case, but his demand that we look at the Bible is not altogether without merit.138

What do we learn from the history of Israel during the biblical period? Anti-Mormons claim, correctly, that the precise phrase "land of Jerusalem" never occurs in the Bible.139 However, this is almost certainly not as important a fact as they believe it to be. Jerusalem played a central administrative and political role from the reign of King David in the tenth century B.C. down to the period of the Babylonian exile-­i.e., to roughly the time of Lehi and the departure of the Mulekites. David's successor, King Solomon, divided his kingdom into twelve administrative districts, largely for purposes of taxation, with each one governed from an administrative center.140 One of those districts included both Bethlehem and Jerusalem, with the latter serving as district capital.141 During the reign of Hezekiah, between 716 and 687 B.C., Solomon's twelve districts were consolidated into four, but Jerusalem "did double duty as the royal and district capital.蕞 Using the Hebrew word migrash, meaning the open agricultural or pastoral land surrounding a city, rather than eretz, which refers to land or ground in general, the prophet Ezekiel speaks of the area immediately surrounding Jerusalem (Ezekiel 48:15).143

Jerusalem enjoyed manifestly higher status than other cities in the immediate area. It was not, contrary to Bill McKeever, "just a city within a kingdom.蕠 Thus, for instance, Babylonian texts describe Jerusalem as "the city," par excellence, of Judah: "In the month of Kislimu, the King of Akkad called up his army, marched against the city of Judah [Jerusalem] and seized the town.蕡 Assyrian provincial termi nology had generally used the name of the capital of a province to designate that province as a whole146­-a practice which would therefore have been familiar to Lehi147­-and such usage appears to have continued among the Babylonians.148 Whatever its origins, however, the practice of naming an area after its leading city was obviously widespread in the ancient Near East. And if Jerusalem was "the city of Judah," would it have been unreasonable to regard the region of Judah as "the land of Jerusalem"? This is precisely the same ambiguity between land and capital city that is displayed in the Book of Mormon, in a record that dates from precisely the time of Nephi. And Lehi's contemporary, the prophet Jeremiah, describing the siege of Jerusalem, says that Nebuchadnezzar's armies fought "against Jerusalem and all its surrounding towns" (Jeremiah 34:1; New International Version)-­by which he apparently means the other cities and towns of Judah (Jeremiah 34:7). In this, Jeremiah was entirely consistent with common biblical usage, according to which the name "Jerusalem" was often used to designate the en tire southern kingdom.149

Other cities, too, had their surrounding "lands," named after them. Samaria, for instance, was often used as a designa tion for the entire northern kingdom of Israel even though, strictly speaking, it was only the name of the royal city that had been founded by Omri in the early ninth century B.C. (1 Kings 16:24). The Bible speaks of "cities of Samaria.蕦 Thus, when we read of "Ahab king of Samaria," we are to understand him as the monarch of the northern kingdom as a whole, not merely as the glorified mayor of its largest urban center. Jeremiah 31:5 even refers to "the mountains of Samaria." Similarly, Ephraim possessed the city of "Tappuah," but Manasseh owned the terri tory of the same name (Joshua 17:8)-­which the Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible quite correctly terms "the land of Tappuah.蕧 The town of "Tob" was surrounded, biblically, by "the land of Tob" (Judges 11:3).152 "Mizpah" or "Mizpeh" was "the name of several towns in Palestine and neighboring lands.蕩

And such usage extended beyond the boundaries of Hebrew settlement. The great Syrian city of Damascus, for in stance, seems to have possessed a "wilderness" (1 Kings 19:15). In the so-called "Damascus Rule" or "Zadokite Document," part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, reference is made twice to "the land of Damascus.蕪 So, too, the Canaanite city of Hazor seems to have been surrounded by a land of the same name.155 "Tema," in Arabia, was both land and city (Isaiah 21:14), as, apparently, was "Ur of the Chaldees.蕬 Lehi's great contemporary, the prophet Jeremiah, knows "the land of Babylon" (Jeremiah 50:28; 51:29), as well as the famous city from which that land had taken its name. And when Abraham "sojourned in Gerar" (Genesis 20:1), one eminent scholar assures us, this was "obviously in the territory so named, not the walled city itself.蕭 The "cities of the plain" are known to every reader of the Bible. Yet the Savior himself can allude to "the land of Sodom and Gomorrha" (Matthew 10:15; cf. 11:24). "Hamath" was an important town on the Orontes River in Syria. "Riblah" was also an ancient Syrian town. However, at several points in the Hebrew Bible we read of "Riblah in the land of Hamath"-­of, that is, one city which is in "the land of" another city.158 This usage precisely parallels Latter-day Saint con tentions that the city of Bethlehem could well be described in Hebrew terminology as being in "the land of" Jerusalem. Indeed, the phrase "land of their cities" (Heb. eretz s'araw) occurs in 1 Kings 8:37, implying that it was seen in Hebrew as a generic grammatical form.

Thus, although the actual phrase "land of Jerusalem" is not itself found in the Bible, it is perfectly acceptable biblical usage for the region around a major city, including smaller towns, to be referred to as "the land of" that city.159 Vocal anti-Mormons go on, however, to infer incorrectly that the existence of this phrase in the Book of Mormon somehow disproves the book's historicity.160 Their conclusion is unjustified for at least two reasons: (1) Alma's reference to a "land" of Jerusalem seems, in fact, to be entirely plausible in the light of biblical and general ancient usage. (2) The real question is not whether the phrase is used in the Bible, but how it is used in the Book of Mormon. If anti-Mormons want to claim that the Amarna letters are too old to be relevant to Alma 7:10, they can hardly claim that the Hebrew Bible is primary or contemporary evidence. It must not be forgotten, in the consideration of this issue, that Alma was writing sometime in the first century B.C. In other words, more than five centuries separated him and his people and their habits of speech from their ancestral homeland and its characteristic expressions. This is plenty of time for linguistic change to accumulate, as anyone can testify who has tried to read Chaucer's Canterbury Tales in their original Middle English. The Nephite language, as I have already pointed out, seems to have been unique:

And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech. And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record. But the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also that none other people knoweth our language; and because that none other people knoweth our language, therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof. (Mormon 9:32-34; emphasis added)

The most reliable way to determine what a given phrase means in the Book of Mormon, therefore, is to look at the Book of Mormon. To understand a perplexing expression in Shakespeare, we first study his writing. Only if that fails do we look at other texts. And we would have to be pretty desperate before we turned for guidance to the writings of John Milton, or Chaucer, or Beowulf.

It emerges from an examination of the data that the Book of Mormon routinely refers to "lands" that both surround and bear the names of their chief cities. We read, for instance, of the lands and cities of "Ammonihah," "Gideon," "Helam," "Jashon," "Lehi," "Lehi-Nephi," "Manti," "Morianton," "Moroni," "Mulek," "Nehor," "Nephihah," "Noah," "Shem," and "Shilom.蕱 The cities and lands of "Bountiful" and "Desolation" play a central role in Nephite history.162 So, too, did the city and land of "Nephi.蕳 Thus, Amalickiah "marched with his armies . . . to the land of Nephi, to the city of Nephi, which was the chief city" (Alma 47:20). Notice, incidentally, that Alma had to specify that his prophecy referred to "Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers," since the Old World "city" and "land" were mirrored in a New World "land" and "city" of "Jerusalem" (Alma 21:1-2; 24:1) that were far more directly familiar to his audience.

Far and away the most important example of the situation under discussion here is "Zarahemla." Indeed, it was probably the most important of all Nephite cities (Alma 60:1). But it is also the name of a "land.蕴 Thus, the "king" of the rebels against Pahoran entered into an alliance with the Lamanites "to maintain the city of Zarahemla, which maintenance he supposeth will enable the Lamanites to conquer the remainder of the land" (Alma 61:8). And, when Moroni and Pahoran counterattacked, they "went down with their armies into the land of Zarahemla, and went forth against the city" (Alma 62:7). Later, the Lamanites again came "into the center of the land" and took "the capital city which was the city of Zarahemla" (Helaman 1:27).

Several instances make it clear that the Old World Jerusalem was regarded in precisely the same way by the Nephites as their own cities and lands. Sometimes, the phrase "land of Jerusalem" seems to have referred to the area immediately around the city, or perhaps to the region of Judea. Jesus told the Nephites, for example, of "other sheep, which are not of this land, neither of the land of Jerusalem, neither in any parts of that land round about whither I have been to minister" (3 Nephi 16:1). Lehi's party and the Mulekites are said to have departed from "the land of Jerusalem.蕵 And Lehi dwelt "at Jerusalem" (1 Nephi 1:4, 7), but evidently outside the city proper (1 Nephi 3:16, 23-24). On other occasions, by contrast, the phrase seems to denote Judea and Galilee and perhaps all of Palestine. Thus, the Nephites were informed that Christ would "show himself" in "the land of Jerusalem" (Helaman 16:19). Thus, too, the Book of Mormon says that Christ chose his disciples in "the land of Jerusalem" (Mormon 3:18-19)-­although the New Testament specifies that at least several of the apostles were called in Galilee. In Nephite usage, "the land of Jerusalem" is the "land" of the Jews'-­and, indeed, of all Israel's-­eschatological "inheritance," or at least to the area to which they would return following their Babylonian exile.166 Thus, the phrase clearly refers to an area considerably larger than the urban area of Jerusalem proper.

Words such as "Judah," "Judea," "Galilee," "Palestine," "Israel," and "Samaria" are rarely, if ever, used in a geographical sense in those portions of the Book of Mormon that were written in the New World. "Judah," it is true, occurs numerous times. But most of these occurrences are in quotations from Isaiah, with one case (3 Nephi 24:4) from Malachi 3:4. There are two references to the "loins of Judah" the patriarch (2 Nephi 3:12). The other three references are all to "Zedekiah, king of Judah." Two are statements by Nephi (1 Nephi 1:4; 5:12), who himself lived in Judea under the reign of Zedekiah. The third, Omni 1:5, is a reference to Zedekiah based on the traditions of the Mulekites, who would have had a special reason to maintain traditions about Zedekiah as king of Judah since Mulek was a son of Zedekiah and was therefore theoretical heir to the throne (Helaman 6:10; 8:21). Within the Nephite historiographical tra dition itself, however, there are no references to Judah as a geo graphical unit. There are five references to Judea, all of them re ferring to a city by that name in the New World.167 Galilee is mentioned once, while Palestine is mentioned twice, all in quo tations from Isaiah.168 Israel occurs numerous times in the Book of Mormon, but always in the context of a discussion of Israel as a people, not as a geographical region. "Samaria" occurs seven times, all in 2 Nephi 17-20, which simply quotes Isaiah 7-10.

In other words, there are no references to the standard biblical geographical terms for the Holy Land in those passages in the Book of Mormon that are not quotations from the Bible. What does this mean? The fact that all of these terms are quoted in the Book of Mormon is clear evidence that Joseph Smith was aware of the existence of such geographical names. Yet they are never used as geographical designators within the Nephite tradition. Instead, the standard term used to refer to Judea is the nonbiblical phrase "land of Jerusalem." Thus, within the literary and linguistic context of the Book of Mormon itself, the assertion that Christ will be born "at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers" is simply the Nephite way of saying that Christ is to be born in Judea-­a perfectly accurate statement.

We can now return to Bill McKeever's rejection of the evidence of the Amarna letters. He claims that, "when the Amarna tablets were written, Jerusalem was a city-state. . . . It would make no sense for Alma to use this phrase 1300 years later when the political situation had changed so drastically from the time the Amarna Letters were written.蕹 This is superficially plausible. But McKeever ignores several important pieces of evidence. First, as I have demonstrated above, the Book of Mormon's use of the phrase "the land of [a city]" is internally consistent and intelligible.170 This conclusion is dependent for its validity on neither the Amarna tablets nor the Bible. Second, the grammatical construction "land of [a city]" is a Hebrew idiom found in the Bible.

But most importantly, at the time of the beginning of Book of Mormon history (597 B.C.), Jerusalem could indeed be considered nothing more than a city-state. The former kingdom of Judah had been completely conquered by the Babylonians on 16 March, 597, after which time Zedekiah (Mattaniah) was placed on the throne as a Babylonian puppet. Thus, the "first year of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah" (1 Nephi 1:4), when the story of Lehi opens, was precisely the year of the collapse of the kingdom of Judah, and its reduction to a vassal city-state under Babylonian domination. Although technically still called the "kingdom of Judah," the area of Zedekiah's rule had in fact been reduced to the region directly surrounding Jerusalem, which could well be called the "land of Jerusalem." As John Bright describes it, "Certain of [Judah's] chief cities, such as Lachish and Debir, had been taken by storm and severely damaged. Her territory was probably restricted by the removal of the Negeb from her control, her economy crippled and her population drastically reduced.蕻

This is the political situation with which Nephi was famil iar when he left Jerusalem. Judah had been reduced from a kingdom controlling all of Israel and much of Syria in the days of Solomon, to a much more humble status under Babylonian hegemony. In Nephi's personal experience-­and, therefore, in subsequent Nephite tradition-­Judah was not an independent kingdom, but a tributary city-state, tenuously ruling only the "land of Jerusalem."

The prophecy of Alma 7:10 fits into antiquity very well. It is not the sort of thing that Joseph Smith would likely have in vented, precisely for the same reason that it bothers enemies of Mormonism. Far from being a serious liability for the Book of Mormon, Alma's prophetic comment about the birth of the Messiah is plausible evidence that the Nephite record is exactly what it claims to be.

* Ankerberg and Weldon think they have another powerful weapon in 2 Nephi 5. "It took all of 150,000 workers and over seers seven-and-a-half years to build Solomon's Temple, ac cording to 2 Chronicles 2:2. But the Book of Mormon claims that in twenty years' time less than 20 people and their descendants had built a temple like Solomon's" (p. 322).

Ankerberg and Weldon are only approximately correct. The total according to 2 Chronicles 2:2 is 153,600, not 150,000.172 It is interesting to note that this passage directly contradicts 1 Kings 5:13, which says that the labor corvee was only 30,000 men, who worked in three shifts of 10,000 each. (So much for biblical inerrancy.) But even the figure of 30,000 might be a scribal error, an exaggeration, or may refer to the work force for all of Solomon's monumental buildings, which included his own palace, the "house of the cedars of Lebanon," a palace for Pharaoh's daughter, and a colonnade (1 Kings 7:1-22; see also 1 Kings 9:15).173 This is especially true considering Josephus's claim that Herod's temple, which was vastly larger than Solomon's, employed only 1000 laborers.174

Abstracted from Daniel C. Peterson, Review of Books on the Book of Mormon. Volume 5, 1993 [Sufficient time for all the bigots in the world to have read it and inoculated themselves against silliness].

drgade answered on 04/20/07:

I'll just continue to spend my time with the Bible and not be concerned with extra-biblical writings... not even the apocrypha ..or the book of Mormon.

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MarySusan asked on 04/20/07 - God Was in Heaven

sitting on his throne when an alleycat strolled by.
God said, "Kitty, I'm going to give you a chair with a large pillow on it so your rest in eternity will be pleasant!"

Kitty said, "Well, thank you!"

A dog and a horse walked by and God gave them their fondest wishes.

A lowly mouse scampered by, and God asked, "What would you like to make you stay in heaven very pleasant?"

The mouse said, "Some rollerskates so I can outrun that pesky old alleycat!"

God said, "Your wish is granted!"

Soon after, God saw the alleycat strolling by the foot of his throne all smiles. He asked, "Why are you so happy, alleycat?"

Kittycat said, "I want to thank you for that deligtful pillow you gave me, but most of all, thanks for the meals on wheels."

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My favorite meals on wheels deliverman, a very mentally attractive senior man, told me this joke today, and I burst out laughing!! It's probably old but enjoy!!!

drgade answered on 04/20/07:

Hmmm. And here I thought that everyone(and animals) in heaven would have become a vegetarian again.

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CeeBee2 asked on 04/20/07 - Jokes for Chicago baseball fans,

Christian or not (from the Chicago Sun-Times) --

A South Side housewife, unable to bear the indifference of her baseball-crazed husband any longer, screamed at him: "You love the White Sox more than you love me!"

The husband gave her a long, hard, appraising look, adjusted his White Sox cap, and replied: "I love the YANKEES more than I love you."

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Told by Bill O'Neill:

I was at the 2006 Cubs opening day. About the 3rd inning, I noticed the guy next to me had an empty seat beside him. I asked him why the seat was empty. He said it was his wife's but she had passed away recently.

"Oh, I'm sorry," I said. "Couldn't you find anybody to take the ticket?"

"No, I couldn't," he replied. "They're all at the funeral."

drgade answered on 04/20/07:

Ooooooh, kind of harsh....but funny.

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Itsdb asked on 04/20/07 - On abortion

In case you missed it...

Supreme Court upholds partial-birth abortion ban
By Mike Westervelt
Publication Date: 04/19/07

    A Supreme Court decision upholding a law that bans partial-birth abortion has local anti-abortion groups rejoicing and Planned Parenthood alarmed.

    The court's vote was divided with a 5-4 ruling.

    "I was ecstatic," said Curtis Verner, president of Purdue Students for Life when he heard of the decision. "It's a tremendous victory for human rights, a tremendous victory."

    Partial-birth abortions are performed in the middle to late second trimester. The fetus' body is usually delivered almost entirely, feet first. While the head is still inside the birth canal, the abortionist will cut a hole in the base of the skull and use a vacuum to collapse the skull.

    "This is a tremendous step forward and really I'm hopeful for the future," Verner said. "For the future protection of unborn rights of the child."


The Supreme Court Looks a Lot Like the Taliban
By HEATHER GRAY

    When I first heard of the U.S. Supreme Court's decision this week banning D&E late term abortion without exception to the woman's health, it literally took my breath away. The sweeping indictment against women from this Supreme Court decision suddenly enveloped me. In one tragic stroke of the pen by these male justices - in one court decision - on this day - our lives as women were diminished.

    And what does this mean for the protection of Roe V Wade and the safety of women's right to choose an abortion without the interference of the state? It doesn't look good. Is this a slippery slope for more outright repression of us all? The U.S. Supreme Court, obviously informed by the religious right, is looking like the Taliban. (How much more hysterical can you get????)


UK doctors shy away from performing abortions
Published: Wednesday, 18-Apr-2007

    Experts in the UK are warning of an impending crisis in the National Health Service (NHS) regarding abortions. They say many doctors are opting out of providing such a service.

    According to the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) there has been a considerable rise in the number of doctors who are "conscientious objectors" to abortion.

    The RCOG says while it recognizes that abortion is an essential part of women's healthcare and should be adequately resourced, trainee doctors are "opting out" of doing terminations; the RCOG says this will result in a shortage of doctors to meet demand in the future.



2.45pm
'Intolerant' doctors blamed for looming abortion crisis
David Batty
Monday April 16, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

    Britain is facing an abortions crisis with growing numbers of doctors "intolerant" of women seeking terminations because they see them as too lazy to use contraception, doctors and family planning services said today.

    Many young doctors are unwilling to provide terminations because they believe there is no good excuse for unwanted pregnancies, according to Ann Furedi, chief executive of BPAS - formerly the British Pregnancy Advisory Service.

    She said: "Younger doctors can be judgemental. They don't see why they should have to - as one put it to me - clear up the mess if women can't be bothered to use contraception."


British Study of Hospitals Over 20 Years Finds Many Babies Survive Abortion
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
April 20, 2007

London, England (LifeNews.com) -- A new study from Britain involving an analysis of 20 years of data covering 10 hospitals finds that one baby in 30 survives an abortion attempt. The survey sheds more light on how many abortions are unsuccessful and the kind of care medical facilities should offer babies who survive botched abortions.

Many of the babies who survived the failed abortions were born at 20-24 weeks into the pregnancy at West Midlands hospitals. That's just before and right at the point of viability.

The study, published in the British Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, found that some of the babies survived but others lived only for a few hours after the failed abortion.

About 190,000 abortions take place in England annually involving about a quarter of all pregnancies and almost always involving a healthy baby. Abortions are allowed up to the 24th week of pregnancy there.

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drgade answered on 04/20/07:

Finally some reason and conscience by the court which has caused the greatest holocost in history.

Guess it's all in how you phrase the arguement. "Intolerant doctors" is a new one. Who is it that is trying to control the thoughts and consciences of medical people who have taken an oath "to do no harm"?

The history of many tribes and nations shows that the god of this world has always wanted the sacrifice of infants and children.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/17/07 - I have been saying this for years

My ex husband was put on prozac Dec 1990.
He was on it for one month, he started acting irratically and and beat my daughters back black and blue. While he was in jail they had a show on Phil Donahue about prozac and how it has serious side effects on peoples mental health. They talked about how Del Shannon commited suicide while on prozac. He had been going around to schools preaching against suicide.

For a list of some sites of mental health suicide/shooting spree related stories---
prozac effects )
One girl said she kept hearing a voice telling her to get on the highway going the wrong direction. She said the only thing that kept her from doing it was she kept repeating to herself, "It's my mother's car"

drug company knew that 'Prozac could lead to violence'
RHIANNON EDWARD

CONFIDENTIAL drug company documents appearing to suggest a link between a popular anti-depressant and suicide and violence have been handed to authorities in the United States, it emerged today.

The British Medical Journal (BMJ) received the documents concerning the drug fluoxetine (Prozac) from an anonymous source and has now turned them over to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

The papers reportedly went missing during a lawsuit filed on behalf of victims of a workplace shooting carried out by Joseph Wesbecker in Louisville, Kentucky, in 1989.

Wesbecker, who had a long history of depression and had been put on Prozac a month before the shootings, killed eight people and injured 12 others before killing himself.

In 1994, some of the relatives of the victims brought a civil suit against Eli Lilly, the makers of Prozac, alleging the company had for years known about the side-effects - including the fact Prozac might increase violence.

Although the company won the case, it was later forced to admit it had made a secret settlement with the plaintiffs, making the verdict invalid.

The documents sent to the BMJ include reviews and memos indicating that Eli Lilly officials were aware in the 1980s that Prozac had troubling side-effects and sought to minimise their likely negative effect on prescribing, according to Jeanne Lenzer, writing in the journal. One of the documents, dated November 1988, reported that in clinical trials, Prozac could cause behavioural disturbances.

The FDA has recently issued a warning that anti-depressants can cause stimulatory side-effects such as agitation, panic attacks and aggressiveness.

Dr Richard Kapit, the administration’s clinical reviewer who approved Prozac, told the BMJ that he was not given the Lilly data. "These data are very important. If this report was done by Lilly or for Lilly, it was their responsibility to report it to us and to publish it," he said.

The administration has agreed to review the documents passed on by the BMJ.

The documents are now being reviewed by the office of Congressman Maurice Hinchey to determine whether Lilly withheld data.

"This is an alarming study," Mr Hinchey said. "This case demonstrates the need for Congress to mandate the complete disclosure of all clinical studies for FDA-approved drugs so patients and their doctors, not drug companies, decide if the benefits of taking a certain medicine outweigh the risks."

In a statement to the BMJ, Lilly said: "Prozac has helped to significantly improve millions of lives. It is one of the most studied drugs in the history of medicine, and has been prescribed for more than 50 million people worldwide.

"The safety and efficacy of Prozac is well studied, well documented and well established."

They said Eric Harris was on an anti depressant and was having mental health side effects.


They said the Virginia killer, Cho Seung-Hui had not been taking his medication and apparently had scrawled the words "ISMAIL AX" on the inside of one arm, according to the Chicago Tribune, which may be a reference to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham.

drgade answered on 04/18/07:

With all of our Federal Regulations on drugs, we are still being fed a lot of harmful drugs along with "promised" cures.

Of course it is all revealed if you have a very strong magnifying glass, a degree in medical jargon and many hours to read the accompanying "warnings".

We are being scammed and endangered.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/17/07 - JJD

ZOOM In and see Perky boys house!

drgade answered on 04/18/07:

Is this somewhere in France?

I don't know how to zoom in on anyone's house.

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HANK1 asked on 04/18/07 - CHRISTIANS:



Now that the garbage truck has picked up the trash from this Board, let's think about Christian posts and nothing but Christian posts. I suggest that if these atheists come out of the woodwork at any time, we ignore them COMPLETELY. Never give up!

* As for my lieing, was I or wasn't I? Noone will ever know, will they? Maybe I was lieing about lieing. Let's get on with it, guys and gals. The Christians are no longer in the lion's den!

HANK

drgade answered on 04/18/07:

If we are NOT in the lion's den, there are many who wish we were.


John 15:18-19

18 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
(from New International Version)


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hOPE12 asked on 04/18/07 - Vacation time.

Hello Everyone,

I woke up this morning and turned the news on, everything is negative and violent, so I turned it off.

I then came to the computer to see what positive events were happening here. Well, you be the judge of that one.

Then I remembered that Pericles went to Rome. Pericles can you tell those of us who have never been there something nice and interesting you saw there?


Can anyone else tell about somewhere out of the US they visited that was really nice? My family is looking for a nice place to spend our vacation this year.

Thanks,.
Hope12

drgade answered on 04/18/07:

Since I've lived, worked or visited all but two of our contiguous states in the USA and find more beauty IN the USA than elsewhere, I'll tell you my favorite spots.

For sheer beauty, I like Emerald Bay close to South Lake Tahoe. I go there as often as possible.

For fun in the sun with the most beautiful really WHITE sand, Pensacola FL.

For beauty and sports fishing lakes, Minnesota.

For a coastal trip with great views, highway 101 through Oregon. AND north from Gloucester MA at least to Egg Harbor with Cadilac Mountain in Maine. What a sunrise on the red granite!

I've been researching AK for a few months since I'm taking an inland cruise from Vancouver all along the AK coast in less than a month. Looks really beautiful!

God has created a beautiful planet for us to enjoy.

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Pericles asked on 04/18/07 - CHRISTIANS (2) ..........................................

Ref.: CHRISTIANS by HANK1

Now that the garbage truck has picked up Hanks deflated ego and also his exploded blow-up Leslie doll (remember : all Hanks stories were lies !), let's think about this board, the questions and the answers, and with how we can at least put some value in them.

Not the fundi-creo CRAP people like Hank, Peddler, Toms, and Mad Doggie keep diarrhoeing on this board, but real questions and replies that have the interests of all who want to communicate, and regardless of their personal world view.

I remind you that the goal of a Question and Answer Board is to communicate. If certain people insist to poo on this boards woodwork, just "spray" and ignore them if you want. But NEVER give up!

* As for Hanks lying : yes Hank was lying.
We all know he lied. Hank lied about his ex-spouses. Hank lied about his blow-up doll Leslie. Hank lied about his personal intentions. Hanks lied about his board related intentions.

But let's get on with it : Hank can't correct himself. Lying is in his blood. Christianity is no longer in that liars pen (and keyboard)!

Any comments?


drgade answered on 04/18/07:

Recognizing of myself that I don't have much discirnment of people's motives, I don't know where Hank is coming from. He may be "funning" with people's minds or just trying to make fun of them(us).

I have mentioned before on this Board that God has a different view of "lying" than the world does. I admit that I don't like lying because I HAVE TO take people at their word. But God gave us this "strange" account:

1 Kings 22:19-23

19 Micaiah continued, "Therefore hear the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."
(from New International Version)

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peddler7118 asked on 04/16/07 - Is the Blood in Heaven?

Heb 9:11 But Christ being come a high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

We are not told much about the resurrected body. The only hint is that we will have a body like that of Jesus after He rose from the dead and that it will be a "spiritual body" ....which, at this time in our lives, sounds like an oxymoron.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/16/07 - Is Benny Hinn an authorised Priest of God?

Where does Benny Hinn stand in relation to his priesthood before God?

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

Only God knows.

Rom 14:3-4
4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
(from New International Version)

We are told that our only judgement(discernment) comes from their works; whether they lead people to Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh or leads them away by their teachings.

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MaggieB asked on 04/16/07 - Christians, PLEASE PRAY!

Today, there were 21 people killed and 21+ injured on the campus of Virginia Tech University by a lone gunman who is also dead. Please pray for peace, strength, and understanding for those involved and for healing for those injured.

Thank you,

MaggieB

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

We are tempted to disbelieve that there could be such people in the world even though the world is filled with them.

But God has told us of them, warned us of them and urges us not to be yoked to them or our emotions/feelings could lead us to such hatred towards one or thousands of people with whom we share the earth.

Prov 4:13-19
13 Hold on to instruction, do not let it go;guard it well, for it is your life. 14 Do not set foot on the path of the wicked or walk in the way of evil men. 15 Avoid it, do not travel on it;turn from it and go on your way. 16 For they cannot sleep till they do evil;they are robbed of slumber till they make someone fall. 17 They eat the bread of wickedness and drink the wine of violence.
18 The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn,shining ever brighter till the full light of day. 19 But the way of the wicked is like deep darkness;they do not know what makes them stumble.
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/16/07 - ..Remembering the Holocaust Victims..

..Beginning Sunday evening and continuing throughout Monday, Israelis and Jews around the world will take a look back at one of the most horrific periods in the history of modern man, a time in which man's inhumanity to man took on new meaning.

After more than a generation since the defeat of Germany's Third Reich, much of the world's population may have forgotten about the genocide of six million Jews.

But as difficult as it is to look back at this time in history, people who recognized the importance of documenting the atrocities have sought to ensure that the Nazi regime will never be forgotten.


Many believe the modern State of Israel was birthed from the ashes of the Holocaust's crematoriums.

Here, the survivors came to start a new life, marry, and raise families. Many of their sons and daughters have served in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) against some who hardly believe the genocide happened and others who say it's too bad the Nazis didn't finish what they started.

Results of a survey funded by the Anti-Defamation League revealed that 37 percent of Israeli youth believe another holocaust could happen. These youngsters are well aware of the meteoric rise of anti-Semitism throughout the world.

The Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Anti-Semitism and Racism released a report Sunday revealing that anti-Semitic incidents worldwide, which increased by 15 percent in 2004, rose 31 percent in 2006.

Sunday evening, Israeli television broadcast the opening ceremonies marking Yom HaShoah (Holocaust Remembrance Day).

Monday morning at 10:00, a siren will sound throughout the country and people will stop what they're doing to stand in silent tribute to the millions who were murdered.

Following a wreath-laying ceremony today at Yad VaShem's memorial to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, the names of those who perished will be read at the Holocaust memorial and at the Knesset...

Source: Haaretz

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

Such memorials must have some good benefits for those who participate. But one of them doesn't seem to be a pledge "may it never happen again". Or , if it is, it has been ineffective.

We still have such holocosts going on around the world where innocents are being killed because of expediencey.

Man's inhumanity to man, woman and infants still goes on.

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jjgoss asked on 04/16/07 - ..Gonzales Calls Role in Firings Indirect..

..(AP) Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, fighting to save his job, said in prepared Senate testimony Sunday he has "nothing to hide" in the firings of eight federal prosecutors but claimed a hazy memory about his involvement in them.

Two Republican senators said Gonzales has yet to shore up his credibility amid shifting explanations of his role in the dismissals. Vice President Dick Cheney reaffirmed White House support for the attorney general - but left it to Gonzales to defend himself to lawmakers who have called for his resignation.

In his 25-page statement, Gonzales apologized for embarrassing the eight U.S. attorneys and their families by letting their ousters erupt into a political firestorm that has engulfed the Justice Department since January. He maintained the firings were not improper, but said he remembers having only an indirect role in the plans beyond approving them.

"I have nothing to hide, and I am committed to assuring the Congress and the American public that nothing improper occurred here," Gonzales said in prepared testimony released before he appears Tuesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee. The panel, which oversees the Justice Department, is investigating whether the firings were politically motivated.

"I am sorry for my missteps that have helped to fuel the controversy," he said.

Gonzales added: "In hindsight, I would have handled this differently.. Looking back, it is clear to me that I should have done more personally to ensure that the review process was more rigorous, and that each U.S. attorney was informed of this decision in a more personal and respectful way."

Cheney said he and President Bush continue to have "every confidence" in Gonzales and looked forward to hearing his testimony. Lawmakers also are questioning what role White House officials, including chief political strategist Karl Rove, played in the firings.

"This took place inside the Justice Department," Cheney said on "Face the Nation" on CBS. "The one who needs to answer to that and lay out on the record the specifics of what transpired is the attorney general, and he'll do so."

GOP Sens. Arlen Specter and Lindsey Graham said Gonzales has a difficult battle ahead in convincing the public he can lead the Justice Department.

"The No. 1 question is, is he capable of administering the Department of Justice, did he have enough hands on to know what's happening?" said Specter of Pennsylvania, the Senate panel's top Republican. "Can he explain why these individuals were asked to resign and justify the reasons for doing so?"

"He's got a steep hill to climb," Specter said. "He's going to be successful only if he deals with the facts."

Graham, R-S.C., said he believes Gonzales can save his job. Still, the attorney general has "an uphill struggle to re-establish his credibility with the committee given prior statements."

"He needs to explain what he did and why he did it," Graham said. "There are three or four different versions of his role in this, and he needs to bring clarity to what he did and why he did it."

Specter spoke on ABC's "This Week," and Graham appeared on "Fox News Sunday."

In his written testimony, Gonzales claimed he vaguely remembers discussions about the firings, including being asked about at least two possible replacements for vacant U.S. attorney jobs. He also said he recalled "two specific instances" when he was told that then-White House counsel Harriet Miers was seeking updates of the Justice Department's prosecutor evaluations.

He indicated he trusted his most senior aides, including Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, to select prosecutors who would be asked to resign, based on their performance. "It was to be a group of officials, including the deputy attorney general, who were much more knowledgeable than I about the performance of each U.S. attorney," he said.

But Gonzales indicated he could not definitively say whether he was involved in decisions on selecting which prosecutors would be targeted. The few, brief updates on the firings he received from Kyle Sampson, his former chief of staff, "focused primarily on the review process itself," Gonzales said.

"During those updates, to my knowledge, I did not make decisions about who should or should not be asked to resign," Gonzales said.

Sampson left the Justice Department over the controversy March 12. He told the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 29 that he remembered discussions with Gonzales regarding "this process of asking certain U.S. attorneys to resign."

Sampson was being interviewed again Sunday by congressional investigators, said his attorney Brad Berenson.

Gonzales also said he may be unable to answer all of lawmakers' questions because, trying to avoid any influence on his own testimony, he intentionally did not review transcripts of what his staff told congressional investigators in closed-door meetings. "As a result, I may be somewhat limited when it comes to providing you with all of the facts that you may desire," he said.

Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., one of Gonzales' most vocal critics and the first to call on the attorney general to resign, said the written remarks did little to clear up questions and contradictory statements about the firings.

"Fuzzy recollections do not help us get to the bottom of what happened," Schumer said in a statement Sunday. "Evasive answers do not clear up the many contradictions uncovered so far. 'I don't' know, 'I don't recall' or indirect answers that avoid the questions will not do."

Schumer also said that Michael Battle, a former director of the department's Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys who carried out the firings, had contradicted Gonzales' assertions that he had limited knowledge of the dismissals and that the firings were based on performance.

Battle told congressional investigators that a memo about the firings was distributed at a Nov. 27 Justice meeting that Gonzales attended. Battle also said he "was not aware of performance problems with respect to several of the U.S. attorneys" when he called to fire them, according to Schumer.

Gonzales signaled he had no plans to step down - a decision that he has said repeatedly should be left to President Bush. He sought in his testimony to move past the prosecutors' scandal, and touted numerous Justice accomplishments under his tenure, including civil rights cases, drug smuggling crackdowns and efforts to protect children from sexual predators.

"I look forward to working with you in the coming months on these topics and the department's other missions and priorities," Gonzales wrote...

..Any comments????......

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

Gonzales' job is not to "convince the public".

Liberals on both sides of the aisle have made this the main job of people going into politics instead of doing what is right and within the laws of the country.

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jjgoss asked on 04/16/07 - ..Christians Are Told Gays Can Change Sexual Orientation..

..OMAHA, Neb. (AP) - About 1,000 people at a conference held by Focus on the Family have been told that gay people can become straight by turning to support, counseling and God.

Topics at the weekend "Love Won Out" conference in Omaha, Nebraska included how Christian parents can love a gay child without changing beliefs, and how those who have gay desires can overcome them.

One of the speakers, Melissa Fryrear, said she believed she was lesbian 15 years ago, but turned to Jesus, who -- in her words -- "pushed all the counterfeit love out of my life."...

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

They were lucky the Thought Police did not raid their conference and haul them off to jail.

Speaking the truth is becoming a political SIN.

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jjgoss asked on 04/16/07 - ..New Ministry Trend in China...

.. China (MNN) -- Mission groups generally agree: China's Christian population is exploding. That means there's a huge discipling need, and pastors are being forced to admit that they don't have the "official" resources for biblical training.

Their response launched a movement, says China Partner's Erik Burklin. "There's a new phenomenon happening: Chinese churches are organizing short-term training for lay leaders. In order for that to be expedited, more and more local churches are opening up what they call 'Bible training centers.' These are not official seminaries or Bible schools as such but more specifically designed for laity of Christian leadership."

China Partner works with the registered churches and seminaries in China to provide leadership training to future church leaders and pastors. Burklin says they're looking to help fund the centers, but they're also recruiting other trained leaders to mentor. "This is now going into the grassroots level. This is going to the back countryside of China--the rural areas where the majority of the Christians live and where there is very little help being given."

The challenge comes in figuring out how to help. Each Pastoral Training Seminar requires a tremendous amount of time, energy, and resources. Foreign teachers must be academically credentialed and their transcripts or resumes scrutinized by CP and the China Christian Council before they can be accepted as part of a teaching team.

The team is also producing a curriculum especially for these short-term seminars. It will be updated to meet the particular ministry needs in China. Besides training in basic Bible doctrine, the core curriculum places importance on the Bible in their daily lives.

Pray that God would give wisdom developing this new curriculum and provide funding for its completion. Pray, too, that believers would respond to the short-term needs........

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

God is the source the wisdom, funding and power of the word to convert the hearers.

Perhaps God has decided that the Christian Church of China is to be independent of the Western "Christians" until they can fend off the politicaly correct teachings infecting many long established denominations.

Gal 1:11-12, 15-17

11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ......
15 But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus.
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/16/07 - ..KGB Target Moldovan Churches..

..TRANSNISTRIA, Moldova -The Soviet Union is gone, but some of its oppressors are still active and persecuting Christians in the former countries of the Soviet Union.

One is a pro-Russian enclave within the borders of Moldova called Transnistria. It is near the Black Sea, in south Eastern Europe.

It is an outlaw regime that is involved in many illicit activities, including money laundering, sex trafficking, and arms smuggling.

The Transnistrian regime exists only because of the military and political support of Russia.
Critics say the regime is corrupt and has committed various human rights abuses including persecution of the church.

But Christians are speaking out. For more than 10 years, members of the Church of Jesus Christ the Savior in Tiraspol have worked to bring light to this darkness and corruption.

The church runs an orphanage that houses and teaches 26 children. They learn ethics and biblical principles. Part of the church also serves as an adult rehabilitation center.

Victor is a former alcoholic who was denied hospitalization when he broke his back.
"They got me out of the hospital because I didn't have money to pay for the treatment," he said. "These people brought me here."

Valya's life was also transformed: "I was an alcoholic, smoked and didn't have a place to live. Now I am completely free from alcohol and cigarettes."

The church also ministers in local prisons. Despite the good it is doing, it is a target of the Transnistria regime.

Yurii Semeniuk is the senior pastor.

He said, "They broke up the church services -- KGB agents and other officials are always present at our church services. Very often I am being interrogated for 4-5 hours."

"Also, we have to get permission for all the sermons and preaching; we can preach only what they consider is right," he added.

The pastor says that church members are threatened with false charges of terrorism if they don't agree to bribe government officials.

A church spokesman said that the regime feels threatened and that has resulted in a clash between Communists and Christian evangelicals.

Semeniuk said, "Believers and all people need to be free to express their beliefs, views, and faith without oppression."

Church members ask fellow Christians to pray for them, and place pressure on the Transnistrian regime to end the hostilities.....

~By Gary Lane

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

I will continue to pray for them too.

Why would such wicked people oppress quiet little churches? It lets us know the wickedness of the leader/prince who drives people to such evil deeds. Such hate the church of Christ.

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jjgoss asked on 04/16/07 - ..Gunman Kills 21 on Virginia Tech Campus!!!!!!!!...

..BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people in the deadliest campus shooting rampage in U.S. history. The gunman was killed, bringing to death toll to 22, but it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."

The name of the gunman was not immediately released, and investigators offered no motive for the attack. It was not immediately known if the gunman was a student.

FBI spokesman Richard Kolko in Washington said there was no immediate evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack, "but all avenues will be explored."


The bloodbath took place at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a coed dormitory that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building, authorities said.

Police said they were still investigating the shooting at the dorm - and the campus was under lockdown, with students to stay indoors and away from the windows - when authorities got word of gunfire at the classroom building.

Some of the dead were students. One student was killed in the dorm, and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.

Up until Monday, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police. In the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo., in 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.

The deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard drove his pickup into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.


Founded in 1872, Virginia Tech is nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains of southwestern Virginia, about 160 miles west of Richmond. With more than 25,000 full-time students, it has the state's largest full-time student population. The school is best known for its engineering school and its powerhouse football team.

The rampage took place on a brisk spring day, with snow flurries swirling around the campus, which is is centered around the Drill Field, a grassy field where military cadets - who now represent a fraction of the student body - once practiced. The dorm and the classroom building are on opposites sides of the Drill Field.

A gasp could be heard at a campus news conference when the police chief said at least 20 people had been killed. Previously, only one person was thought to have been killed.

Investigators from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began marking and recovering the large number of shell casings and will trace the weapon used, according to an ATF official who spoke on condition of anonymity because local authorities are leading the investigation.

A White House spokesman said President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia.


"The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed, and classes were canceled through Tuesday. The university set up a meeting place for families to reunite with their children at the Inn at Virginia Tech. It also made counselors available and planned a convocation for Tuesday at the basketball arena.

After the shootings, students were told to stay inside away from the windows.

"There's just a lot of commotion. It's hard to tell exactly what's going on," said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.

Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.

"They had us under lockdown," Kanode said. "They temporarily lifted the lockdown, the gunman shot again."

"We're all locked in our dorms surfing the Internet trying to figure out what's going on," Kanode said.

Madison Van Duyne, a student who was interviewed by telephone on CNN, said: "We are all in lockdown. Most of the students are sitting on the floors away from the windows just trying to be as safe as possible."

Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks by authorities but said they have not determined a link to the shootings.

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges....

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

You would think that we could get used to such things in a world where intentional killing with very little "reason" goes on so frequently.
But it isn't something that most of us can get used to. Just sort of "numbed" to.

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paraclete asked on 04/16/07 - such disgusting attitudes

will not be tolerated?


Raped for reading the Bible

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April 17, 2007 12:00
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AN Iraqi man allegedly raped a Muslim woman as "punishment" for reading the Bible, saying, "let your Jesus help you", a court heard yesterday.

Campbelltown District Court was told Abdul Reda Al Shawany twice sexually assaulted the woman, a practising Muslim who wears a hijab, after they met at a railway station.

Al Shawany, 52, has plead not guilty to two counts of having sexual intercourse without consent between September 1 and 27, 2002, at a unit in Warwick Farm.

At the first day of the week-long trial yesterday, Crown prosecutor Michael O'Brien outlined the case and told how the woman allegedly kept the clothes and underwear she was wearing on the day of the alleged rape in a plastic bag for about three years.

The woman initially reported the matter to police but did not want to take it further because she felt "ashamed", Mr O'Brien said. She later changed her mind and Al Shawany, of Hillsdale, was arrested in July 2005 and the woman provided police with the clothing.

The Crown alleges swab samples from the accused had the same DNA as the semen sample taken from the woman's clothing.

"The complainant was born a Muslim and raised a Muslim and was a Muslim all her life," Mr O'Brien said.

He said when the woman came to Australia from the Middle East she began listening to Christian teachers and reading the Bible.

He said the woman had received threats from members of her faith for reading the Bible but had not converted to Christianity.

It is alleged she met Al Shawany, who she had first met overseas, at Warwick Farm railway station in September, 2002, after he told her he had some mail for her from overseas.

Al Shawany allegedly then took her to a Warwick Farm unit and pushed her in the head as she entered.

"She was wearing a hijab. The accused grabbed the hijab, the veil, and pulled it tight across her mouth," Mr O'Brien told the court.

"She fell to the floor and she couldn't scream because she had a hijab tight across her mouth."

Al Shawany allegedly raped the woman and later allegedly said: "Let your Jesus help you."

In a police interview, Al Shawany denied having sexual intercourse with the woman or threatening her.

Al Shawany's barrister Chris Pike told the court his client was a hardworking businessman with close ties to the community who strenuously denied the charges.

"My client is not a zealot," Mr Pike said.

The woman gave evidence in closed court yesterday and is expected to return to the witness stand when the trial before Judge David Knox continues today.

drgade answered on 04/16/07:

Now we get to see if this is a just court.

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madddawg asked on 04/15/07 - By their fruit

Jesus warned his followers to beware of false prophets:
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Jesus explained that we are to judge the prophets by their fruit.
Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
In the past few years, many false prophets have been exposed with their impure sexual conduct.
Is there any record of sexual misconduct in Joseph Smith's life, or was he beyond reproach?

drgade answered on 04/15/07:


Jesus was speaking about the "false prophets" which would lead people away from God. He was not calling all prophets who were not yet perfected in their lives, "false".

He tells Timothy to be aware of false DOCTRINE and warns him not to get involved in sinful activites .
Those who do make mistakes and err in their lives are to brought to repentance and then accpeted back as brothers.

But, no, they cannot remain living in sins which had caused them to fall.

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madddawg asked on 04/15/07 - necromancy

The Bible warns its readers not to get involved in any occultic practice, which includes praying to the dead:
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
9When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. 13Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. 14For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
When the Roman Catholic religion tells its followers to pray to the dead, are their leaders encouraging their followers to sin?
"Hail Mary (who died), full of grace (which is a false statement), Blessed art thou among women and blessed be the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God (God has no mother), pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of death. The New Saint Joseph Baltimore Catechism, Reverent Father Kelly, Catholic Book Publishing Company, 1964, page 6

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

I see no profit in praying to anyone other than God since Jesus Christ is the one mediatior and He commands that we pray by His name/authority.

Necromancers were those who "called up" the dead to learn something. I don't know the doctrine of the RCC about prayers to Mary but I don't think they teach either to call her up from the dead or to learn the future from her.

Though some memebers may practice these things.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/15/07 - here is the chick tract mad dawg recommended

in its entirity
the visitor )

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

Thanks for letting me know what "Chick" was.

I read and answered Toms 777 already.

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Toms777 asked on 04/15/07 - The Visitor

Madddawg recommended this tract by Jack Chick. I had a look over it and cannot find anything wrong in this tract.

The Visitor

I would be interested if others could review it and point out any errors.

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

"Chick" has been mentioned on Answerway, but I didn't know what it was. Thanks.

I don't know the doctrines and/or teachings of the Mormons. And since I'm convinced that God's Word (in the canonical books of the Bible) is the only source and norm of Christian doctrine, I spend little time to know about religions that include other sources for their doctrines.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/15/07 - break time

take your time and read each line out loud without
a mistake
They say the average person can’t
This is this cat
This is is cat
This is how cat
This is to cat
This is keep cat
This is a cat
This is retard cat
This is busy cat
This is for cat
This is forty cat
This is seconds cat
now go back and read the third word of each line
from the top down

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

That's mean!

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jjgoss asked on 04/15/07 - ..Egyptian Fields Ripe for Harvest..

..The spiritual fields of Egypt are clearly ripe and ready for harvest. Thousands of nominal Christians, many whom are desperate to escape from grinding poverty, are converted to Islam every year via Saudi backed initiatives. However, more than 20,000 of the most vulnerable Christians are now benefiting from Christian run initiatives such as women’s empowerment programmes and Christian educational and professional services to help them improve their quality of life and learn about a living faith in Jesus which helps them stay true to their roots.

Around ten percent of Egypt’s 79 million population is Christian. Of these eight million Christians, 90% are Coptic Orthodox and the vast majority are nominal Christians only, with just 5% of Christians attending Church. With an average annual income of $1,300 many Egyptians find daily living a struggle and nominal Christians in particular are very susceptible to the systematic financial incentives given by Saudi backed Muslims. Their creative economic development programmes are available only on conversion to Islam, although less altruistic methods are sometimes used.

Anis*, a pastor who ministers to Christians in need, explained: “Many Christians are given loans for things like medical, wedding or funeral expenses and are then asked to sign an open debt certificate in case they need more money. However they may borrow, say, £500 but are subsequently asked to repay an impossible amount like £50,000.

“They are then taken to court and sent to prison unless they convert to Islam. Many converts to Islam are gained in that way.”

“Another way converts to Islam are gained is by systematically approaching young girls, enticing them to a better life by marrying into Muslim families; but once they leave the protection of their own families they are often sexually and physically abused and then abandoned.”

“In addition, if a Christian couple want a divorce, the only way is for one party to convert to Islam.”

However, there is a growing network of committed Christians reaching out to and strengthening nominal Christians throughout Egypt through socio-economic development and women’s empowerment programmes. However, the work is challenging and fraught with problems.
Martha, programme co-ordinator for women’s empowerment, told us of some of the obstacles they have had to overcome.

“It is a terrible shame for a girl to travel in Egypt without a man, or to come home after dark. Parents are partly worried for the safety of their daughters as many Christian girls have been abducted or seduced by Muslim boys, but also culturally, people think that a woman leaving the home by herself makes her ineligible for marriage....


~by Nina Kelly

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

People are waking up to the fact that there is a war on. Nominal Christians have no defense in themselves and no help from the God they they had heard of but now ignore.

Eph 6:10-18
11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.
(from New International Version)


Rev 3:14-17
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
(from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/15/07 - more alarming than you would think

Albert Einstein speculated that "If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would only have four years of life left."
Species under threat: Honey, who shrunk the bee population?

Linda Moulton Howe of http://earthfiles.com/
has been tracking the mysterious disappearance of bees
around the world and Across America, millions of honey bees are abandoning their hives and flying off to die, leaving beekeepers facing ruin and US agriculture under threat. And to date, no one knows why. Michael McCarthy reports
Published: 01 March 2007. The Independent

It has echoes of a murder mystery in polite society. There could hardly be a more sedate and unruffled world than beekeeping, but the beekeepers of the United States have suddenly encountered affliction, calamity and death on a massive scale. And they have not got a clue why it is happening.
Across the country, from the Atlantic coast to the Pacific, honey bee colonies have started to die off, abruptly and decisively. Millions of bees are abandoning their hives and flying off to die (they cannot survive as a colony without the queen, who is always left behind).

Some beekeepers, especially those with big portable apiaries, or bee farms, which are used for large-scale pollination of fruit and vegetable crops, are facing commercial ruin - and there is a growing threat that America's agriculture may be struck a mortal blow by the loss of the pollinators. Yet scientists investigating the problem have no idea what is causing it.

The phenomenon is recent, dating back to autumn, when beekeepers along the east coast of the US started to notice the die-offs. It was given the name of fall dwindle disease, but now it has been renamed to reflect better its dramatic nature, and is known as colony collapse disorder.

It is swift in its effect. Over the course of a week the majority of the bees in an affected colony will flee the hive and disappear, going off to die elsewhere. The few remaining insects are then found to be enormously diseased - they have a "tremendous pathogen load", the scientists say. But why? No one yet knows.

The condition has been recorded in at least 24 states. It is having a major effect on the mobile apiaries which are transported across the US to pollinate large-scale crops, such as oranges in Florida or almonds in California. Some have lost up to 90 per cent of their bees.

A reliable estimate of the true extent of the problem will not be possible for another month or so, until winter comes to an end and the hibernating bee colonies in the northern American states wake up. But scientists are very worried, not least because, as there is no obvious cause for the disease as yet, there is no way of tackling it.

"We are extremely alarmed," said Diana Cox-Foster, the professor of Entomology at Penn States University and one of the leading members of a specially convened colony-collapse disorder working group.

"It is one of the most alarming insect diseases ever to hit the US and it has the potential to devastate the US beekeeping industry. In some ways it may be to the insect world what foot-and-mouth disease was to livestock in England."

Most of the pollination for more than 90 commercial crops grown throughout the United States is provided byApis mellifera, the honey bee, and the value from the pollination to agricultural output in the country is estimated at $14.6bn (£8bn) annually. Growers rent about 1.5 million colonies each year to pollinate crops - a colony usually being the group of bees in a hive.

California's almond crop, which is the biggest in the world, stretching over more than half a million acres over the state's central valley, now draws more than half of the mobile bee colonies in America at pollinating time - which is now. Some big commercial beekeeping operations which have been hit hard by the current disease have had to import millions of bees from Australia to enable the almond trees to be pollinated.

Some of these mobile apiaries have been losing 60 or 70 per cent of their insects, or even more. "A honey producer in Pennsylvania doing local pollination, Larry Curtis, has gone from 1,000 bee colonies to fewer than eight," said Professor Cox-Foster. The disease showed a completely new set of symptoms, "which does not seem to match anything in the literature", said the entomologist.

One was that the bees left the hive and flew away to die elsewhere, over about a week. Another was that the few bees left inside the hive were carrying "a tremendous number of pathogens" - virtually every known bee virus could be detected in the insects, she said, and some bees were carrying five or six viruses at a time, as well as fungal infections. Because of this it was assumed that the bees' immune systems were being suppressed in some way.

Professor Cox-Foster went on: "And another unusual symptom that we're are seeing, which makes this very different, is that normally when a bee colony gets weak and its numbers are decreasing, other neighbouring bees will come and steal the resources - they will take away the honey and the pollen.

"Other insects like to take advantage too, such as the wax moth or the hive beetle. But none of this is happening. These insects are not coming in.

"This suggests that there is something toxic in the colony itself which is repelling them."

The scientists involved in the working group were surveying the dead colonies but did not think the cause of the deaths was anything brought in by beekeepers, such as pesticides, she said.

Another of the researchers studying the collapses, Dennis van Engelsdorp, a bee specialist with the State of Pennsylvania, said it was still difficult to gauge their full extent. It was possible that the bees were fleeing the colonies because they sensed they themselves were diseased or affected in some way, he said. This behaviour has been recorded in other social insects, such as ants.

The introduction of the parasitic bee mite Varroa in 1987 and the invasion of the Africanised honey bee in 1990 have threatened honey bee colonies in the US and in other parts of the world, but although serious, they were easily comprehensible; colony collapse disorder is a deep mystery.

One theory is that the bees may be suffering from stress as beekeepers increasingly transport them around the country, the hives stacked on top of each other on the backs of trucks, to carry out pollination contracts in orchard after orchard, in different states.

Tens of billions of bees are now involved in this "migratory" pollination. An operator might go from pollinating oranges in Florida, to apples in Pennsylvania, to blueberries in Maine, then back to Massachusetts to pollinate cranberries.

The business is so big that pollination is replacing honey-making as the main money earner at the top end of the beekeeping market, not least because in recent years the US has been flooded with cheap honey imports, mainly from Argentina and China.

A typical bee colony, which might be anything from 15,000 to 30,000 bees, would be rented out to a fruit grower for about $135 - a price that is up from $55 only three years ago. To keep the bees' energy up while they are pollinating, beekeepers feed them protein supplements and syrup carried around in large tanks.

It is in these migratory colonies where the biggest losses have been seen. But the stress theory is as much speculation as anything else. At the moment, the disappearance of America's bees is as big a mystery as the disappearance of London's sparrows.

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2314202.ece

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

As a former "hobby" honeybee grower, I was interested your post. There are a lot of supportive articles on the web.

However, I did find some from the other side. Here is one:

http://www.pollinator.com/downforcount.htm

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jjgoss asked on 04/15/07 - ..German army in 'racist video' row..

..(BBC) video aired on German TV has shown an army recruit on firing practice being ordered to pretend he was in New York's Bronx facing hostile African Americans.

In the grainy 90-second video, the instructor tells the soldier to swear as he fires his gun.

US civil rights leader, Al Sharpton, said it was outrageous to depict blacks as "target practice".

New York officials say they are saddened and frustrated that the Bronx district is depicted so negatively.

"Clearly these folks don't know anything about African-Americans or the Bronx," said Bronx borough president Adolfo Carrion Jnr, who recently returned from a trip to Germany to promote tourism to the district.

He has demanded an apology from the Germany military over the clip.



During the filmed training session, an instructor tells the soldier: "You're in the Bronx, a black van pulls up in front of you and three African-Americans get out and start really insulting your mother... act!".

The soldier then fires his gun several times and shouts obscenities in English, as the instructor encourages him to curse even louder.

The clip was filmed in a forest in July 2006, near the barracks of the northern German town of Rendsburg .

The German army said it has been aware of the video since January and was investigating it.

It is the latest in a series of scandals to hit the German military.

A group of 18 army instructors are on trial in the country accused of abusing and humiliating recruits during training in 2004.

Last year, German newspapers published images of German soldiers serving in Afghanistan posing with skulls....

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

Prejudice is a natural emotion in the sense that it doesn't have to be taught. Egos wish to feel "better" than others and disliking a group often gets some kind of support from ones immediate peers.

Team that up with a "If it feels good, do it" society, and it's going to be difficult to teach people NOT to be predjudice.
We are not "naturally" evolving to overcome "feelings".

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jjgoss asked on 04/15/07 - ..Blood pressure 'is in the brain'..

..(BBC) The cause of high blood pressure may lie within the brain, rather than with problems relating to the heart, kidneys or blood vessels, research suggests.

Scientists at Bristol University say the findings could lead to new ways of treating the condition, which affects about one in five Britons.

The scientists isolated a protein, JAM-1, which appeared to trap white blood cells, obstructing blood flow.

This can cause inflammation and result in poor oxygen supply to the brain.



Professor Julian Paton and colleagues believe these, in turn, trigger events that raise blood pressure, the journal Hypertension reports.



Their studies in rats show JAM-1 is linked to raised blood pressure, but the exact mechanisms behind this are still unclear. They are now looking at the human brain to understand more.

Professor Paton explained: "The future challenge will be to understand the type of inflammation within the vessels in the brain, so that we know what drug to use, and how to target them.

"JAM-1 could provide us with new clues as to how to deal with this disease.

"We are looking at the possibility of treating those patients that fail to respond to conventional therapy for hypertension with drugs that reduce blood vessel inflammation and increase blood flow within the brain."



Professor Jeremy Pearson of the British Heart Foundation, which funded the latest work, said: "This exciting study is important because it suggests there are unexpected causes of high blood pressure related to blood supply to the brain.

"It therefore opens up the possibility of new ways to treat this common, but often poorly managed, condition."

It has been known for some time that the brain can affect blood pressure.

A team of researchers, led by Neurosurgery expert Mr Alex Green of Oxford's John Radcliffe Hospital, found they could make patients' blood pressure increase or decrease by stimulating very specific regions of the brain with electrodes.

Mr Green said the latest work was "very exciting" and that it suggested JAM-1 could be a good target for new blood pressure therapies.

Professor Graham MacGregor, chairman of the Blood Pressure Association, cautioned that the work was at a very early stage and much more extensive research was needed.

He said blood pressure medicines currently prescribed by doctors could be very effective, provided they were taken correctly and in combination with leading a healthy lifestyle.

Although high blood pressure, also known as hypertension, can cause headaches, dizziness and problems with vision, the majority of people with the condition do not display any noticeable symptoms.

It can lead to heart attack, stroke and kidney damage, but medication can be used to control its effects if changes to lifestyle fail to lower blood pressure.

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

There are more psychosomatic "diseases" than most doctors are willing to recognize. Giving pills to treat the symptoms is always easier than trying to deal with the causes.

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jjgoss asked on 04/15/07 - ..'Six out of Ten' Doctors Believe Religion Impacts our Health..

..Nearly 6 out of 10 physicians believe religion and spirituality have much or very much influence on health, according to a study featured in the Apr. 9 issue of Archives of Internal Medicine, a bi-monthly international peer-reviewed professional medical journal.


Over half of physicians believe that religion and spirituality has a major impact on patient wellness, according to a new study. It also revealed that 2 out of every 5 doctors feel that it also helps prevent bad outcomes.

From a random sample of 2,000 doctors around the United States, the University of Chicago also found that 2 out of every 5 respondents felt that religion and spirituality (R/S) can help prevent bad outcomes such as heart attacks, infections and even death.

"Consensus seems to begin and end with the idea that many [if not most] patients draw on prayer and other religious resources to navigate and overcome the spiritual challenges that arise in their experiences of illness," explained Dr. Farr A. Curlin, the author of the report.

Last year, a $2.4-million study conducted by the Dr. Herbert Benson of Harvard Medical School and other scientists found that having people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery and that patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of complications. Although some scientists had hoped the long-awaited and rigorously investigated prayer study would close the book on the debated effects of therapeutic prayer, for much of America’s faithful majority it had not.

In the latest report, Dr. Wayne Detmer, an internist at Lawndale Christian Health Center, noted that all doctors have experienced patient recoveries "that don't make sense based on our current understanding of physiology or medicine."

And although only 6 percent of doctors in the survey believed that R/S often changed "hard" medical outcomes, most doctors believe that R/S helps patients cope with their illness (76 percent), gives the patients a positive state of mind (75 percent), and provides emotional support from their religious community (55 percent).

Also, while several doctors expressed drawbacks to R/S, saying that patients will be more likely to prematurely leave medical therapy as well as have negative emotions such as guilt that will increase suffering, still 85 percent responded that it is overall a positive aspect.

The research also concluded that those health professionals with religious backgrounds were more likely to report significant impacts of R/S on health than non-religious ones (82 percent vs. 16 percent) as well as positive aspects for it.

As Detmer explained, since Jesus miraculously cured people in the Bible, "It's not so much of a stretch to believe He can still do it."...

~by Doug Huntington,

drgade answered on 04/15/07:

The outcome of "religious beliefs" is not suprising at all.

That it gets reported in " Archives of Internal Medicineis" is suprising.

Thanks for the report.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/14/07 - Were you once a Vampire? Billy says he was!



A closet pal of Chick writes:

As one who is a former "vampire," now set free by the power of the Cross of Christ ... True vampirism is not a joke, nor is it a ghost story. Christians need to understand that this is a real (albeit uncommon) affliction, just like drug abuse or child abuse.

Sadly, it is getting more common. [Where?]

Because of the universal taboos and biblical commands against blood drinking, many newly saved Christians, whose past included vampirism, now struggle with serious issues. "Can I be a Born Again vampire?" "Can God forgive me?" "Will the church ever accept such a monster as I?"

[Vampirism] is a sin like any other. It can be forsaken and renounced with Jesus' help, but it does have to be acknowledged."





Will all former vampires tell their stories so that we can all benefit?

Tom - you know where this can be found ..... on your master's website


drgade answered on 04/14/07:

Sometimes God picks some horrible people to be His.

Whether THEY can accept a conscience cleansed by the blood of Christ is another matter.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/14/07 - Is Jack Chick a Christian? .... .....


This is taken from one of Chicks fiendish cartoon books, and shows that fate of those who do not have the 'mark' in their foreeads. Chick shows how peddler and his minions will hawk around a mobile guillotine to kill Christians who they say do not have the 'mark' (the imprint of a hen's foot) ON THE SPOT, and with no appeal!

Is this anyone's idea of the Christianity of Jesus Christ?





You can see peddler in the helmet with tom and his dawg standing by approvingly, laughing with glee as they scan for the 'mark' on other people. No mark: Off with their heads!

Which Jesus does Chick and his Chickens serve?




drgade answered on 04/14/07:

I must have missed something. Who (or what) is "Jack Chick"?

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/14/07 - Where is this found in the scriptures?



Your leader, Jack Chick - makes the following statement in his grimy book "Sabotage." Chick declares that the gates of Heaven are located in the nebula of Orion:

"Its a heavenly cavern so gigantic and brilliantly beautiful that words cannot describe it. It was found by gigantic lenses plus long exposures of photographic plates. Astronomers agree its huge opening is more than 16 trillion miles in diameter... Its exquisite beauty and luminous colours are unlike anything on this earth.

"Professor Learkin at Mt Lowe observatory gives us the following description:

'for the depths of the Orion Nebula appear like torn and twisted objects and river masses of shining glass, irregular pillars, columns of stalactites in glittering splendor and stalagmites from the clear walls of ivory and pearl, studded with millions of diamonds and shining stars ... '

This could well be the entrance into the glory of Heaven, that we'll pass through at the Rapture".

Where is this found in the scripture?


drgade answered on 04/14/07:

It's found in I Hezekiah 3:12.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/14/07 - TS-Not so super chickens.

Antique Chickens

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

I believe that they(even real chickens) both existed at the same time, it's just the time period where they disagree with me (and God).

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jjgoss asked on 04/14/07 - ..embryonic stem cell research..

..Christian groups in the US are criticizing a new bill that would allow for greater federal funding of embryonic stem cell research as wasting tax dollars on “bad science” that is also unethical.

“This over-hyped research would drag money and attention away from what patients really need – ethical treatments that work,” complained Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America, in a released statement.

Opponents of the bill sponsored by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev) have argued that not only is research using embryonic stem cells unethical because it destroys embryos in the extraction process, but it also fails to show the breakthrough results promised by supporters after decades of research.

“What makes S.5 (Reid’s bill) even more troubling is the fact that embryonic stem cell research is such ‘bad science,’” said the Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, in a statement. “The overwhelming body of evidence has indicated that stem cells derived from sources other than embryos have shown far more promise.”

Proponents of the bill contend that since embryonic stem cells are more pluripotent, or versatile, it is easier to trick the cells into becoming a greater number of cell lines than non-embryonic stem cells. Supporters have defended the research by claiming that embryonic stem cells are the only hope for finding cures for diseases such as Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and diabetes and spinal-core injuries.

However, Dr. David Stevens, Christian Medical Association’s CEO, argued, “Creating human embryos and harvesting their stem cells, ostensibly for disease treatments, is a highly speculative, impractical and unethical proposition.”

Stevens, whose organization is the nation’s largest faith-based association of physicians, fears that if the bill is passed researchers will harvest embryos purely for experimental needs...

~by Ethan Cole

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

If their boss says "Sacrifice infants to me by any means possible", they obey.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/14/07 - once again jjg old news

They wasted so much more than food on Katrina it's unreal!
FEMA had a bunch of trailers they were sending to
New Orleans that got stuck in Arkansas or somewhere because they found out there is an ordinance in N.O. that prohibited them.
FEMA sent thousands of dollars that got spent on a fountain and fixing N.O. up for the Mardi Gras and Blanco spent thousands of it totally remodeling her office.
They say Mississippi got hit just as hard but instead of being wasteful, crying and making a political issue out of it the citizens all pitched in and rebuilt Mississippi while N.O. was still crying 'what do we do?'

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

N.O. will continue to be "The Big Easy" no matter what it costs its citizens. And they seem to be willing to accept that of their local politicians.

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jjgoss asked on 04/14/07 - ..FEMA Wastes $40 Million in Food for Katrina..

..(TWP)FEMA allowed truckloads of food worth more than $40 million to spoil last summer after running out of storage space.

The emergency agency stockpiled more supplies than it could handle after Hurricane Katrina.

The nearly six million packaged meals were similar to ready to eat meals given to the military.

They're designed to withstand high temperatures, but not the 120 degrees they were exposed to.

This hurricane season, FEMA plans to rely more on the military's supply network to avoid last year's problems.


drgade answered on 04/14/07:

This the way of the government. After all, it's not their money.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/14/07 - what do you believe

People say that when you get to heaven you will recognize your loved ones.
Isaiah 65:17 says For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to mind.

Do you think this is only referring to not having any memories of the past materially but we will recognize our loved ones?
Or do you think it means we will have no recollection of anything prior?

What Bible verses support your belief?


drgade answered on 04/14/07:

It only has to do with the defective/sinful world that we will leave behind.

The only passage which gets close to being clear is where King David speaks of his son who had just died:

2 Sam 12:23
23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."
(from New International Version)

But since the Bible does speak of seeing and recognizing Jesus when we meet again, it seems likely enough that we will know all the saints of God.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/14/07 - The Real Nuclear Weapon



The news media has portrayed the Iraq conflict dishonestly. There have been many wonderful accomplishments such as the elections along with many disasters like the I.E.D.'s. War is not a game of cricket.
However if the idea is to bring a lasting peace to the Middle East and to the world the members of our government both liberal and conservative have missed the boat entirely. Even if we remove all the terrorists and manage to quell the sectarian violence the people will still be slaves.

Freedom is just that. Freedom to worship as you choose and freedom to speak as you choose. These freedoms do not exist in Islamic countries. At best other religions are tolerated but that always comes to an end and Islam becomes the only religion. The goal of the terrorist is to make Islam the world’s only religion. The argument of the atheist that they are areligious will not help them survive that process.

The war we are fighting is not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers. Until the people of Iraq and Iran have freedom of religion there will be constant conflict. The only power to end the violence of Islam in is the pages of the Holy Bible. What America should do is tell the Iraqi government to pass a law allowing freedom of speech and freedom of religion or we will pull out. They would have no choice but to do so or die by the hands of the faithful followers of Mohammed.

Next we should drop millions of Bibles to the Iranians. There are many Christians in hiding in Iran and millions of disenchanted Muslims who question Islam in their hearts but not with their lips out of fear.

Only God can resolve this conflict. If He chooses to we should rejoice. If He does not , if Iraq refuses to free their people we should set aside the present rules of engagement and send bombs instead of soldiers to eliminate them.

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

That's true.

But it is not our job as a country to free people from the tyranny of their own beliefs.
We can't do it. For them to be free, they are going to have to put their lives on the line ...whether for spiritual freedom...or even political freedom.

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Toms777 asked on 04/14/07 - Many gods?


Joseph Smith said:

"In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it."
(King Follett Discourse)

Where does scripture endorse the belief in many gods?

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

Smith had his OWN scripture.

All passages about other gods in God's Word are concerning the "so-called gods" , "gods made with human hands" and "gods which are idols".

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Toms777 asked on 04/14/07 - Jesus Tomb Film Scholars Backtrack



Check out this article in the Jerusalem Post:

Jesus Tomb Film Scholars Backtrack

Here is an excerpt:

"Several prominent scholars who were interviewed in a bitterly contested documentary that suggests that Jesus and his family members were buried in a nondescript ancient Jerusalem burial cave have now revised their conclusions, including the statistician who claimed that the odds were 600:1 in favor of the tomb being the family burial cave of Jesus of Nazareth, a new study on the fallout from the popular documentary shows."

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

They followed their leader, told another big lie about God, and now are left with the shame of their ignorance and pretensions.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/14/07 - SuperChicken?

Tyrannosaurus rex: a big chicken?
Laymanby David A. DeWitt, Ph.D.April 13, 2007

Perhaps one of the most exciting recent discoveries for creationists has been the report of soft tissue found in a dinosaur fossil.1,2 In 2005, a study in the prestigious journal Science documented the presence of unfossilized tissue from a T. rex.3 Since these dinosaurs are supposed to have been extinct for at least 65 million years, finding soft tissue was quite a surprise for evolutionists. The soft tissue was only partially mineralized; after the minerals were removed, the tissue was “stretchy” and had the appearance of blood vessels.
The finding of unfossilized dinosaur tissue is a serious blow to the idea of an earth millions of years old, but it is not the only example. Recently, scientists have also obtained DNA from fossil frogs and salamanders that were supposed to be 10 million years old.4

Conventional wisdom held that proteins and DNA could not survive for millions of years. Indeed, an upper limit to the preservation of a stable protein such as collagen was presumed to be about 2.7 million years at 0°C, 180,000 years at 10°C, and only 15,000 years at 20°C.5 Thus, there was much skepticism that what Schweitzer found was really dinosaur soft tissue when it was initially reported. Secular scientists were hesitant to believe that such tissue and proteins could persist for more than 65 million years.

Now for what’s new
The newest development regarding this dinosaur concerns this week’s announcement that what was found in this T. rex fossil supposedly presents strong evidence that dinosaurs evolved into birds. Here is the background.

Dr. Schweitzer has reported that the protein collagen has been recovered from her T. rex soft tissue specimen.6,7 The pair of papers are very careful and cautious studies making use of some sophisticated experiments. These findings provide confirmation that the material is in fact dinosaur soft tissue.

Researchers used several different techniques to identify the presence of collagen. First, they found that antibodies to collagen would bind to the samples, and this binding did not occur after treatment with enzymes that specifically degrade collagen. Second, they used mass spectrometry to determine the amino acid sequence of the protein. They then mapped various protein fragments and compared them against a database of protein sequences from a variety of organisms.

Of all the organisms in the sequence database, the one that matched T. rex the closest was the chicken. Now, before assuming that this would be strong evidence that birds are related to dinosaurs, it must be put into perspective. The sequence similarity between the T. rex and the chicken was 58% ,while it was only 51% similar to both frogs and newts. This compares with a reported 81% similarity between humans and frogs, and 97% between humans and cows.7 Moreover, while some of the peptide fragments showed sequence matches to chickens, others matched frog, or newt, or even fish and mice. The authors did point out that not all organisms are in the database. Although the chicken was the closest match from the database, it is possible that animals not included could be a closer match. Regardless, such similarity does not prove that the organisms shared an evolutionary ancestor.

Certainly the recovery of protein sequences from fossil dinosaurs should be applauded—and that work is solid. However, the use of such sequence data to support the idea that birds evolved from dinosaurs is a stretch.8

Interestingly, the amount of protein that they could recover decreased over time. In other words, the amount that they could recover in recent extractions was reduced compared to previous extractions. This suggested that there was degradation of the sample in its current “modern” environment. The fact that such degradation is occurring over very short time scales poses a potential difficulty for evolutionists in explaining how the material could have persisted for an alleged 68 million years.

These are very exciting papers and provide strong evidence that dinosaur soft tissue has been recovered, but they don’t reveal a dino-bird link. Unfortunately, these observations will unlikely dissuade those who are firmly convinced of molecules-to-man evolution and millions of years.

Dr. David A. DeWitt is the Director of the Center for Creation Studies and a professor of biology at Liberty University. He is a frequent speaker and writer for Answers in Genesis.

Editor’s note: see our other web article about this recent dinosaur research, which also briefly looks at the biblical significance of this story: T. rex drumstick

References
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp Back
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0328discovery.asp Back
Schweitzer, M.H., Wittmeyer, J.L., Horner, J.R., and Toporski, J.K. 2005. Soft-Tissue Vessels and Cellular Preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex. Science 307(5717): 1952-1955. Back
McNamara, M.E., Orr, P.J., Kearns, S.L., Alcala, L., Anadon, P., and Penalver-Molla, E. 2006. High-fidelity organic preservation of bone marrow in ca.10 Ma amphibians. Geology 34(8): 641-644. News report from BBC at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5214798.stm downloaded April 12, 2007. Back
Nielsen-Marsh, C. Biomolecules in fossil remains A multidisciplinary approach to endurance The Biochemist June 2002 pages 12-14 http://www.biochemist.org/bio/02403/0012/024030012.pdf Back
Schweitzer, M.H., Suo, Z., Avci, R., Asara, J.M., Allen, M.A., Arce, F.T., and Horner, J.R. 2007. Analyses of soft tissue from Tyrannosaurus rex suggest the presence of protein Science 316(5822): 277-280. Back
Asara, J.M., Schweitzer, M.H., Freimark, L.M., Phillips, M., and Cantley, L.C. 2007. Protein sequences from mastodon and Tyrannosaurus rex revealed by mass spectrometry. Science 316(5822): 280-285. Back (1) Back (2)
Media have emphasized the dinosaur-bird link For an example, see: T. rex related to chickens http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/070412_dino

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

Good.

But it will little to deter the FAITH of the anti-God evolutionists.
They KNOW in their hearts that God does not exist....and therefore the earth must have evolved...and that would take millions/billion/trillions of years.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/14/07 - Hope you ready to answer

my question?
I wanted to know how Jesus could be a god without making people that believe Jesus is a god a polytheist?

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

There is nothing else in heaven or on the earth to compare with God. So there is no way that anyone is going to comprehend how God can be One , yet Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Isa 46:9
I am God, and there is none like me.


Ps 89:6
6 For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD?


Isa 46:5
5 "To whom will you compare me or count me equal?
To whom will you liken me that we may be compared?

(all above from New International Version)

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Jesushelper76 asked on 04/14/07 - HOPE

Genesis 9:4,

Please explain to me what this verse means to you and how we should all interpret this?

Thank you!

Joe

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

God had just given people the right to eat any meat for the first time. But He put a restriction upon it that it was not to be raw.

An instance when this restriction came into conflict is in the following account of some soldiers to tired to prepare the meat:

1 Sam 14:31-35
they were exhausted. 32 They pounced on the plunder and, taking sheep, cattle and calves, they butchered them on the ground and ate them, together with the blood. 33 Then someone said to Saul, "Look, the men are sinning against the LORD by eating meat that has blood in it."

"You have broken faith," he said. "Roll a large stone over here at once." 34 Then he said, "Go out among the men and tell them, 'Each of you bring me your cattle and sheep, and slaughter them here and eat them. Do not sin against the LORD by eating meat with blood still in it.'"

So everyone brought his ox that night and slaughtered it there. 35 Then Saul built an altar to the LORD; it was the first time he had done this.
(from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/14/07 - why would this be?

Malachi 1:2-3 declares, “’I have loved you,’” says the LORD. But you ask, 'How have you loved us?' ‘Was not Esau Jacob's brother?’ the LORD says.

Malachi 1:2-3 is quoted and alluded to in Romans 9:10-13, “Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad — in order that God's purpose in election might stand: not by works but by him who calls — she was told, ‘The older will serve the younger.’ Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’” Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau? If God is love (1 John 4:8,16), how could He hate anyone?

Why would God hate anyone before they were born when you say that would make God guilty of not being a just God?


drgade answered on 04/14/07:

All translations have to pick a new word to cover the original. But not all words match the word used in the translation.

This word means more(or less) than our word "hate". It also used to mean "to love less"....as it is used in:

Luke 14:25-26
26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters-yes, even his own life-he cannot be my disciple.
(from New International Version)

Yet, we are commanded to love our wives:

Eph 5:25-26

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her
(from New International Version)

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Toms777 asked on 04/13/07 - How a person becomes Homosexual

Christianity today has an interetsing article about a man who explains how he became a homosexual, and how he once again became a heterosexual.

The Road to Healing

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

There are about as many theories as to why people are attracted to their own sex as there are theories of evolution.

None of them are proved.

The main point is that God opposses certain activities or even strong desires about those activities and He calls them sin in His eyes.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/13/07 - What the Bible teaches about Baptism

BAPTISM according to THE BIBLE and
HISTORICAL REFERENCES That relate to doctrines and practices of the Early Church, 33-100 A.D.


GREEK
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GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON
by LIDDEL, SCOTT & THAYER................................Baptism taken from Greek word Baptizo - to dip, immerse.

CLASSIC GREEK-ENGLISH DICT.
by POLLET................................................Greek word baptizo means to dip under.

GREEK-ENGLISH DICT.
by DIVRY'S.............................................. Greek word baptizo - to immerse

EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT
CONTAINS ORIGINAL GREEK TEXT....................In every instance the Greek word baptizo is translated immerse

An important factor is overlooked by the exponents of sprinklng. The original New Testament text and the spoken language of that day was Greek. The authors of the New Testament knew the Greek word "Baptizo" meant to immerse. They also knew the Greek word "rantizo" meant to sprinkle. These often used words were never interchangeable, having seperate meanings. If God had intended for His ministers to sprinkle, the Greek word "rantizo" would have been employed, not "baptizo."
If sprinkling cannot be found in the Bible, then you are practicing a tradition of man, which makes the "word of God of none effect." Mark 7:13

The people in the Bible were baptised only after they heard of Jesus and repented and believed; a baby can not do that.

A child should be old enough to receive teaching, believe, and repent of sin before being baptized. Dedicating children to God and asking Him to bless them is Biblical. This Jesus did in Luke 18:15-17, Matthew 19:13-15

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

You made two assumptions which the Bible does not state:

1. That infanst were not baptized in the Bible. There is no such command. THose baptized include "households".

2. That an infant can't believe. John the Baptist leaped for joy in the womb of his mother at being near the unborn Jesus. At least that what's his mother say when speaking by the Holy Spirit:

Luke 1:41-44
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.
(from New International Version)

My ONLY water baptism was effective when I was only a few days old.

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MarySusan asked on 04/13/07 - Punishment?

Do you think that your Christian God punishes you when you are "bad"?

Or, punishes others?

Why or why not...

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

I know that He "disciplines" those who are His children. This is not done because He is mad at us but only to get us back on the track of having the abundant life He wants us to have.

The worst punishment that God has for those intent on walking according to the world is that He lets them go ahead with neither hinderance nor help. They get only what they are powerful enough to get.

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HANK1 asked on 04/13/07 - HONESTY:



I recently read a very interesting story in the newspaper about a study on honesty. The researchers placed a wallet on the ground and then waited to see whether or not people would turn in that wallet when they found it. In a nutshell, here are the details of what they did. “Each of the one hundred wallets contained $2.10 in real money, a fake $50.00 gift certificate, some miscellaneous items and a clearly written ID card identifying the lost wallet's rightful owner. We were curious as to how honest people would be and wanted to see how different races, genders and age groups would compare to each other.” Each person was also videotaped in the process. Overall, 74 people were honest and returned the wallet and 26 took the wallet and said nothing.

With that study in mind, let me ask you today to assess your sense of honesty. If you were one of those unsuspecting subjects, what would you have done? Would you be counted among the majority and return that wallet or would you see it as a “finders keepers, losers weepers” kind of event?

Source: LifeScript

HANK

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

I'm sure that I would have tried to return it to the owner.

I hate a dirty conscience... and I have a very sensative conscience.

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MarySusan asked on 04/13/07 - Why the Friday 13 Superstition?




Why Is Friday the 13th Bad Luck?

If you're one of those people who avoid traveling, going to work, eating in a restaurant or signing important documents on Friday the 13th, you have paraskevidekatriaphobia. There is no need to call the doctor. It means a fear of Friday the 13th.

Friday the 13th is unlucky in North America, Western Europe and Australia and has its roots in both pagan culture and Christian beliefs. In the United States, it is the most widespread superstition. The British Medical Journal reported in 1993 that on Friday the 13th, the number of hospital admissions that are due to vehicular accidents is significantly higher--by as much as 52 percent--than on "normal" Fridays.

Ever since Christ was crucified on a Friday, many Christians believe the sixth day of the week to be unlucky, reports InfoPlease.com. In addition, 13 brings bad luck because that is the number who attended the Last Supper. But such superstitions go back even further than some 2,000 years ago. Norse mythology also reviled the No. 13. Loki, the most loathed of all the Norse gods crashed a dinner party for 12. As the 13th guest, he was said to cause the death of Balder, the god of light, joy, and reconciliation....".

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Are you superstitious?

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

I didn't pay any attention to it being Friday the 13th.

I may have some "superstitions" ....but I'm not aware of them.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/13/07 - according to replies

to my question about where you got your values/morals before you were a Christian it appears that all the Christians that replied (except Stony) were born and raised Christian. So where do Christians get asking others "have you been born again?" if there was no time where you made a decision for Jesus because you were raised that way?

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

An infant doesn't remain an infant in life.
An infant does not know the will of their parents nor have the ability to obey them while still an infant.
In the same way "being born again" is the starting point of walking with God. But the walk can't be carried out UNLESS they are first born again with God as their father.

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jjgoss asked on 04/13/07 - ..Shot Belfast Missionary Forgives Gunmen..

..There is only one word a Belfast missionary priest has for the men who nearly killed him in South Africa: forgiveness.

Father Kieran Creagh wishes to meet and forgive the robbers who shot him twice at the hospice he founded to help Aids sufferers in Pretoria.

In February, surgeons had to remove one of the bullets from his lung following the shooting.

He is currently back in Belfast to visit his family and to recover over the next few months.

He said: "I don't hold it against them - I forgive them.

"I would just like to meet them. I believe that two of them have been arrested, so hopefully they will get them all.

"Just so that they don't do it to anyone else.

"I would like to say that to them - you don't need to shoot people. Why did you rob?

"I think there is a big problem in South Africa at the moment. There is a lot of violent
crime - it's dreadful."

Fr Creagh has no immediate plans to return to South Africa and will stay in Belfast to recuperate before travelling around Ireland.

He was the first person in Africa to be injected with a trial HIV vaccine, was made Irish International Personality of the Year in 2004. He had volunteered to try out the vaccine, despite being free from the virus himself.

Fr Creagh has worked with Aids patients in the country for a decade and opened the Leratong hospice in 2004.

~by Gretta Curtis

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

Father Kieran Creagh showed himself to be listening and obeying to Jesus.

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jjgoss asked on 04/13/07 - ..Archbishop Calls for Women Bishops..

..Churches should allow women priests to become bishops, the leader of the Anglican Church in Wales has urged.

Archbishop Barry Morgan, a strong supporter of women priests, expressed his views to the Church in Wales's powerful governing body during its annual conference at the University of Wales in Swansea.

The Archbishop maintains ordaining women as bishops is the ”only logical step” for the Church in Wales to take after allowing female priests. A final decision on whether to allow the move is expected in a year's time.

Women priests were first allowed in the Church in Wales 10 years ago and the Archbishop of Wales, Dr Morgan, said he was "totally convinced" by the theological arguments for the ordination of women bishops.

He said: "On the human side, the priest/bishop represents the Christian community to God and since the community consists of women as well as men, it is right that it [the episcopate] should be open to women as well as men.

"On the divine side since the priest/bishop represents the risen Christ who redeemed both men and women, ordaining women is a testimony to that redemptive inclusiveness.

Dr Morgan said he did not personally see how the Church could "logically exclude" women from being bishops "though I recognise that I live in a church where not everyone
agrees with me".

The Archbishop also said that women priests, and their supporters - including himself - had been victims of discrimination in the church over the last decade.

"Discrimination may not be intentional but it does happen and it has happened to me simply because of the views that I hold on women priests.

In his address to the church meeting Dr Morgan went further to claim prejudice against women was "ingrained in our societies and cultures, including religion".

Dr Morgan called for more women to be represented in the structures of the Church in Wales, something which is already under review.

He said: "It surely cannot be right in a church where most of the worshippers are women, only a third of the membership of this governing body consists of women, with two dioceses having no elected women clerics, another just one and a further two dioceses two women each."

Nia Wyn Morris, the rector of Bala in Gwynedd, welcomed the Archbishop's call.

She said: "If women are ordained deacons, and they can be priests, there is no excuse for women with the ability to do the job not to be ordained bishops."

Rev Morris warned the church was in for a "rude awakening "and said it was an organisation which was "meant to promote equality and clearly was not doing so".

"It's time they made decisions rather than speaking about them," she said...

~by Anne Thomas

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

Each denomination is going to make its own rules whether it's in agreement with the Bible or not. And there are many which think larger attendance and membership to donate money is the goal.

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jjgoss asked on 04/13/07 - ..US Christians Rejoice After Advertisers Pull Plug on Racism Row Radio Host...

..The President of a US-based Christian media watchdog has welcomed the decision by advertisers to pull the plug on radio host Don Imus after he made a racist slur on his show earlier in the week.

MSNBC dropped its simulcast of Imus’s morning radio show after he called the mostly black members of the Rutgers University women’s basketball team “nappy-headed hos” – “nappy-headed” is a derogatory term for the hair of many African people, while “ho” is slang for a prostitute. Now the radio show’s distributor and owner CBS has fired Imus after a large number of advertisers cancelled their advertising slots on his show.

The President of Morality in Media Robert Peters welcomed the decision by advertisers to pull their adverts from Imus’s show but said it would mean little unless companies also take their adverts off music channels which feature derogatory and often aggressive or sexually explicit material.

“Companies that pulled ads from the Don Imus Show are to be commended, but companies should also pull ads from music channels that daily pour forth a cultural swill that makes the Don Imus insult look tame by comparison,” he said.

Peters pointed in particular to popular music channel MTV which has come under fire from Christians for the high profile it gives to controversial rap artists.

“What shocked me almost as much as the anti-social behavior exhibited in the 'music videos' were the mainstream advertisers that made the programming possible,” he said of MTV.

The latest corporations to sign up for advertising on MTV are Intel and Pepsi North America, which will feature prominently on the MTV and Comedy Central mobile TV channels whose shows include ‘The Real World’ and ‘South Park’.

Peters added: "The outrage directed at Imus is more than justified, but it will prove to be largely a hollow victory if corporate America continues to give rappers who degrade women, glamorise criminal and other anti- social behavior and promote racial stereotypes a high-profit, high-profile national platform to corrupt the minds and hearts of children and to pollute mainstream culture.”

He criticised shows such as MTV for creating a popular culture “that has made stripping and trash talk ‘acceptable’ not only among many adults but also among many of our nation’s youth”.

Day Gardner, President of the National Black Pro-Life Union in the US, said she “felt anger that Imus actually thought this racial slur could be shrugged off as a joke”.

“He thought it would be funny – I found it extremely offensive,” she said.

“Racism is very much alive and thriving in America and the comments made by Don Imus are just more proof of that fact,” she added...

~by Maria Mackay

drgade answered on 04/14/07:

The only law that the media listens to is "the bottom line". If anyone wants to get on or get others off, it takes getting into their pocketbooks.

The Imus thing all sounds rather silly to me.

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arcura asked on 04/12/07 - Milk Dudds by Rick Reilly of Sports Illustrated.


Someday you may be invited to fly in the back-seat of one of your country's most powerful fighter jets. Many of you already have . John Elway, John Stockton, Tiger Woods to name a few If you get this opportunity, let me urge you, with the greatest sincerity...
Move to Guam.
Change your name.
Fake your own death!
Whatever you do .
Do Not Go!!!

The U.S. Navy invited me to try it. I was thrilled. I was pumped. I was toast! I should've known when they told me my pilot would be Chip (Biff) King of Fighter Squadron 213 at Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach.

Whatever you're thinking a Top Gun named Chip (Biff) King looks like, triple it. He's about six-foot, tan, ice-blue eyes, wavy surfer hair, finger-crippling handshake -- the kind of man who wrestles dyspeptic alligators in his leisure time. If you see this man, run the other way. Fast.

Biff King was born to fly. His father, Jack King, was for years the voice of NASA missions. ("T-minus 15 seconds and counting ..." Remember?) Chip would charge neighborhood kids a quarter each to hear his dad. Jack would wake up from naps surrounded by nine-year-olds waiting for him to say, "We have a liftoff"

Biff was to fly me in an F-14D Tomcat, a ridiculously powerful $60 million weapon with nearly as much thrust as weight. Not unlike Colin Montgomerie, I was worried about getting airsick, so the night before the flight I asked Biff if there was something I should eat the next morning.

"Bananas," he said.

"For the potassium?" I asked.

"No," Biff said, "because they taste about the same coming up as they do going down."

The next morning, out on the tarmac, I had on my flight suit with my name sewn over the left breast. (No call sign -like Crash or Sticky or Leadfoot . But, still, very cool.) I carried my helmet in the crook of my arm, as Biff had instructed. If ever in my life I had a chance to nail Nicole Kidman, this was it.

A fighter pilot named Psycho gave me a safety briefing and then fastened me into my ejection seat, which, when employed, would "egress" me out of the plane at such a velocity that I would be immediately knocked unconscious

Just as I was thinking about aborting the flight, the canopy closed over me, and Biff gave the ground crew a thumbs-up. In minutes we were firing nose up at 600 mph. We leveled out and then canopy-rolled over another F-14.


Those 20 minutes were the rush of my life. Unfortunately, the ride lasted 80. It was like being on the roller coaster at Six Flags Over Hell. Only without rails. We did barrel rolls, snap rolls, loops, yanks and banks. We dived, rose and dived again, sometimes with a vertical velocity of 10,000 feet per minute. We chased another F-14, and it chased us.



We broke the speed of sound. Sea was sky and sky was sea. Flying at 200 feet we did 90-degree turns at 550 mph, creating a G force of 6.5, which is to say I felt as if 6.5 times my body weight was sma shing against me, thereby approximating life as Mrs. Colin Montgomerie.

And I egressed the bananas.


And I egressed the pizza from the night before.


And the lunch before that.


I egressed a box of Milk Duds from the sixth grade.

I made Linda Blair look polite. Because of the G's, I was egressing stuff that never thought would be egressed.

I went through not one airsick bag, but two.

Biff said I passed out. Twice. I was coated in sweat. At one point, as we were coming in upside down in a banked curve on a mock bombing target and the G's were flattening me like a tortilla and I was in and out of consciousness, I realized I was the first person in history to throw down.

I used to know 'cool'. Cool was Elway throwing a touchdown pass, or Norman making a five-iron bite. But now I really know 'cool'. Cool is guys like Biff, men with cast-iron stomachs and freon nerves. I wouldn't go up there again for Derek Jeter's black book, but I'm glad Biff does every day, and for less a year than a rookie reliever makes in a home stand.

A week later, when the spins finally stopped, Biff called. He said he and the fighters had the perfect call sign for me. Said he'd send it on a patch for my flight suit.

What is it? I asked.

"Two Bags."

drgade answered on 04/13/07:

It doesn't sound like the flight was a matter of "getting closer to God".

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/13/07 - obesity can't be a sin

even though some like to believe so.

Researchers pinpoint gene linked to obesity risk
April 12, 2007 11:20:16 AM PST

Researchers have produced the first clear evidence for a gene common in the population that dictates why some people gain weight while others do not.

They found the gene, called FTO, by studying nearly 39,000 white Europeans in a finding they hope can lead to new ways to fight this growing global health problem.

British researchers, writing in the journal Science on Thursday, said the presence of a version of FTO increased a person's risk for obesity, and it was very common in the people studied -- 63 percent had one or two copies of it.

People with two copies had about a 70 percent higher risk of being obese than people with none and were an average of nearly 7 pounds (3 kg) heavier than a similar person with no copies. Those with one copy had a lesser but still elevated risk.

Genetics has long been assumed to play a role in making some people fatter than others, and previous research had tentatively implicated specific genes.

However, the researchers emphasized, genetics alone cannot fully account for a worldwide surge in obesity in recent decades that experts attribute to multitudes of people eating too much of the wrong foods and getting too little exercise.

Obesity is recognized as a growing public health problem worldwide. Obese people are at greater risk for diabetes, heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure and some cancers.

The researchers said that while improving one's lifestyle is still the key to reducing the obesity epidemic, their findings explain why some people will find it harder to change their weight than others because of their genes.

Researchers led by Andrew Hattersley of the Peninsula Medical School in Exeter and Plymouth and Mark McCarthy of the University of Oxford examined the genetics of nearly 39,000 children and adults from Britain, Finland and Italy.

They found 47 percent had one copy of the variant of the FTO gene and 16 percent had two copies.

The gene's effect was seen by the age of 7, they said.

'REGULATION OF WEIGHT'

"What this study has identified is a genetic variant which is involved in the regulation of weight," Hattersley said in a conference call with reporters. "And the critical role that it plays is in predisposing how much fat people have."

"Although this is the first gene that's been found that plays this kind of role," McCarthy said, "this isn't the whole story."

McCarthy said while extra body fat can be attributed to the presence the gene variant, this gene alone will not explain why some people are, for example, 110 pounds (50 kg) heavier than other people living in similar conditions in the same place.

The researchers said they do not know what the gene actually does to predispose people to obesity.

The researchers said they hope knowledge of the gene's role can lead to new ways of treating and preventing obesity. They said they hope to look at FTO in a more diverse population, including, for example, people from South Asia and U.S. blacks.

The World Health Organization estimated that 1.6 billion adults worldwide are overweight and at least 400 million adults are obese, according to the U.N. agency's definitions. It projected that by 2015, there will be about 2.3 billion overweight adults and more than 700 million obese adults.

Once seen as a problem exclusive to high-income countries, obesity is now on the rise in low- and middle-income countries, particularly in urban areas, the agency said.


So what does that do to the idea that some think it is a sin to be fat?


drgade answered on 04/13/07:

Being "fat" may be seen as a lack of self control, but God does not list it among any "sins".

And there are many lists of "sins" which, if we want to instruct anyone about, should come before condemning them for being overweight.

The KJV uses the word "fatness" in a postitive way:

Ps 36:8-10

8 They shall be abundantly satisfied with the fatness of thy house; and thou shalt make them drink of the river of thy pleasures.

9 For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

10 O continue thy lovingkindness unto them that know thee; and thy righteousness to the upright in heart.
KJV

Ps 63:4-5

4 Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name.

5 My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips:
KJV

Isa 55:2

2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
KJV


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tropicalstorm asked on 04/13/07 - before you were Christian

where did you get your (GOOD) values morals?
What were they?
How did you change after you became a Christian?

drgade answered on 04/13/07:

There was no time when I was not a Christian. I was even already baptized into Christ when only a few days old.

Ps 71:6-8
6 From birth I have relied on you;
you brought me forth from my mother's womb.
I will ever praise you.
7 I have become like a portent to many,
but you are my strong refuge.
8 My mouth is filled with your praise,
declaring your splendor all day long.
(from New International Version)


Ps 139:13-18

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

17 How precious to me are your thoughts, O God!
How vast is the sum of them!
18 Were I to count them,
they would outnumber the grains of sand.
(from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/13/07 - HAVE A GREAT

FRIDAY THE 13TH!

off to a great weekend with Perk off to Alabama LOL?

drgade answered on 04/13/07:

Thanks. Same to you since this day is special ...but through God not the date:

Ps 118:24
24 This is the day the LORD has made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it.
(from New International Version)



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madddawg asked on 04/13/07 - President Ezra Taft Benson (Mormon Church)

February 26th, 1980 at Marriot Center Assembly, on KBYU FM radio station said:
"Keep your eye on the President of the Church. If he ever tells you to do anything and it is wrong and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.

Will the Lord really bless those who do wrong?

drgade answered on 04/13/07:

No, not if it is contrary to His specific commands.

If we act in error, believing in our whole heart that we are doing what God wills, then He will make "all things work for good", but we are not to "tempt" God by oppossing His commands.

Acts 5:29-30

29 Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!



Rom 6:16

16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey-whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
(both from New International Version)

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madddawg asked on 04/13/07 - The real Jehovah Witnesses

The true Jehovah Witnesses are described in Isaiah 43:10.
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
The identity of the Jehovah Witnesses is found in Isaiah 43:1
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
Who are the true Jehovah Witnesses, God's chosen people (the Jews) or the Russelites (Jehovah Witnesses)?

drgade answered on 04/13/07:

God did choose a particular person, Abram, to become the father of a people dedicated to Him and set apart from the gods of the worldly.

Gen 12:1-3
12:1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.

2 "I will make you into a great nation
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."
(from New International Version)

Abram (later named, Abraham) was the father of Isaac, grandfather of Jacob (later named Israel), and so the "father" of all the sons (tribes) of Israel.

They were to be God's people chosen to be witness to the message of God's redemption until the "seed" should come who would redeem all who would receive Him.

Gal 3:15-19
16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.
(from New International Version)

When Jesus, the Annointed One, ascended back into heaven, He called His followers to be His witnesses:

Acts 1:6-9

6 So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"

7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
(from New International Version)

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/12/07 - To those asking

WHAT EXACTLY & FULLY is YOUR definition of being born again?
How do you believe you BECOME born again?

drgade answered on 04/12/07:

Being "born again" is about a SPIRITUAL REBIRTH.

God told Adam :

Gen 2:16-17
6 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it YOU WILL SURELY DIE."
(from New International Version, emphasis mine)

They "died"....but they didn't just fall over and have to be buried. They died in their spiritual relationship with God.

When He callled them in the garden, they now ran and hid, they didn't even trust each other and had to "cover up" even if that was their physical body.

Being "born again" is vivification of the spirit within a person by the power of God's Holy Spirit.

As Adam and Eve changed through sin,

I now have changed through righteousness:

I now am not afraid of God. I trust Him. I like to have Him as my God. I know His power. I know that what He commands me is always for my good.

Deut 32:39
39 "See now that I myself am He!
There is no god besides me.
I put to death and I bring to life,
I have wounded and I will heal,
and no one can deliver out of my hand.


Prov 6:23
23 For these commands are a lamp,
this teaching is a light,
and the corrections of discipline
are the way to life,


Ezek 37:4-6
5 This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life.


Titus 3:3-8
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
(all above from New International Version)




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peddler7118 asked on 04/12/07 - Question to liberal Christians -Catholics.

Seeing as how Hope denies the bodily resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, which means He was not the Messiah can you honestly continue to accept her as a Christian?

Can one be a Christian and deny the Christ does that follow logically, is it possible?

drgade answered on 04/12/07:

Faith is not "logical". Whether Hope is a Christian or not will be judged by God alone.

We do not know the "cut off point" for God's judgement of anyone. And I have never met a Christian who understands all things about our Lord, Jesus.

I KNOW that He was raised physically! And knowing that makes a lot of things about Jesus and the theology of the cross more understandable. But the Bible speaks about levels of maturity in people's trust in God and all of His characteristics.

His view of those who don't know all or even only know a little:

Matt 12:20-21
20 A bruised reed he will not break,
and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out,
till he leads justice to victory.
21 In his name the nations will put their hope."
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/12/07 - ..Pope: Evolution Cannot Be Scientifically Proven..

..(AP) - Pope Benedict says evolution cannot be scientifically proven.

In his new book "Creation and Evolution," published Wednesday in German, Benedict says the immense time span that evolution postulates makes it impossible to conduct experiments to either verify or disprove Darwin's theory.

In his words, "We cannot haul 10,000 generations into the laboratory."

The pope adds that evolution raises philosophical questions that science cannot answer.

But he rejects a false choice between what he calls "a creationism that fundamentally excludes science" or "an evolutionary theory that covers over its own gaps."

Instead, he says scientific and philosophical reason must work together in a way that does not exclude faith.......

drgade answered on 04/12/07:

Those few quotes indicate a balanced view of science and God's Word.

There is NO arguement between the Creator and the laws of creation.
Where we run into disagreements is when some claim to have scientific tenets which they can't prove and these are placed in opposition with the clear word of God.

True scientific laws are based on proveable facts. Theories by some scientists are not facts of science until they ARE proven.

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belle33 asked on 04/12/07 - Blood

Lev. 18, 10-14, For the life of all flesh is the blood, and ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh. Is a blood transfusion any different than eating blood?

drgade answered on 04/12/07:

Among the Gentile Christians the civil and ceremonial laws were not in force as they were for the Theocracy of the Jews.

For instance, there is no demand from God that the Gentile Christians be circumcised whereas the son of Moses almost died because he had not been circumcised.

In the NT the Apostles did not want to attach OT stipulations which would cause them to draw back from their new-found faith, but at the same time they did not want the Jews to be offended at the "freedom" of the Gentiles from laws that the Jews looked at as sacred.

Acts 15:12-15...19-21
13 When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself...........
19 "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
(from New International Version)

Eating of living blood was forbidden since the time when God first gave the meat of animals to man for eating after the flood changed the world.

Gen 9:1-6
Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
(from New International Version)

These passages tell the intent of God in commanding that living blood should not be eaten and how it was applied among the Gentile Christians.

BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH KILLING A PERSON BY TAKING THEIR BLOOD.

ON THE CONTRARY, BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS ARE TO GIVE LIFE TO THE ONE RECEIVING THEM.

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jjgoss asked on 04/12/07 - ..Brit says second UN global warming report 'frantic alarmism'..

..A British journalist who has challenged former Vice President Al Gore to a debate on global warming says the latest United Nations report on the purported impacts of climate change is a "prodigious overstatement" that was not developed by a scientific process, but rather a political one.

The United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has released the second of four reports it plans to issue this year on global warming. During negotiations on the report, a Belgian delegate likened global warming to Adolf Hitler.

Lord Christopher Monckton of Brenchley, a former advisor to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, says the comparison is characteristic of the political language in which the global warming debate is being conducted. "That is not the remark of the scientist," he insists. "It is the remark of a politician."

In fact, Monckton contends, "You will not find in any of the peer-reviewed papers -- except perhaps those written by James Hansen, who started this scare in the first place -- any reference to global warming being anything like Adolf Hitler. That kind of extremism is extremely rare in the scientific literature."

The Belgian delegate's comparison was "unnecessary and uncalled for," the British journalist suggests, and it may have arisen out of political self-interest. "If you're a bureaucrat and you're not used to going out and earning your own living," he says, "and you live on the taxation provided by other people, and somebody comes along and says, 'Hey, there's global warming; here's a chance for a whole lot of new taxes that'll pay for your larger and larger pensions while the pensions in the private sector disappear down the plug,' then you're going to be in favor of that.

"And so that bureaucrat who made that statement about Hitler, there's a public sector bureaucrat," Monckton asserts. "He's looking to get more taxes out of this," he says, "and that's what this is really about."

Such "frantic alarmism" about global warming, Monckton adds, is being peddled in the interest of extending what he calls "the atheistic, humanist, bureaucratic, centralist agenda, which bureaucracies worldwide tend to subscribe to." He says the IPCC has deliberately overstated a table of figures on rises in sea level and erroneously claimed that 20 percent has been added to the global warming effect of carbon dioxide in the last decade...

~By Jim Brown

drgade answered on 04/12/07:

I agreed with Monckton's conclusion many years ago when the "scare" began....

"frantic alarmism about global warming, Monckton adds, is being peddled in the interest of extending what he calls "the atheistic, humanist, bureaucratic, centralist agenda, which bureaucracies worldwide tend to subscribe to."

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jjgoss asked on 04/12/07 - ..David Weaver's testimony...

...Hello, my name is David Weaver. I am 38 years old. My wife's name is Debbie and I have three children: Rachael, Melissa, and Joshua. I am a Born Again, Spirit filled Christian who is in Love with Jesus, who saved me and dramatically changed my life 18 years ago.
I want to take this time to tell you about myself and give my testimony of what Jesus has done for me. I was born and raised in Bryn Athyn Pennsylvania. My wife Debbie also grew up there. Bryn Athyn is the headquarters for Swedenborgianism. Swedenborgianism is a religion based on the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg who lived in the 1700's. He claims to be the messenger of God and says that the second coming of Jesus Christ occurred through his books. To find out more about Swedenborgianism and how it differs substantially from the Bible, check out the X-Swedenborg Files. Plus Cults and the occult.
I was born and raised in this religion. When I was about 12, my father walked out of our lives, never to be seen again, leaving my mother with five of us kids to raise by herself. I dropped out of high school in my senior year. By the time I reached 20, I was already a alcoholic living on 18-20 beers a day. My life so far had been one of fear, depression, confusion and anger. I tried to escape through drugs and alcohol but to no avail. My family didn't know what to do with me and even suggested that I commit myself to an mental institution. By May of 1980, I had pretty much hit rock bottom. I was so depressed and I felt so all alone. Drunk and depressed I really felt like my life was about over and that the only way to end the misery was through death.
One day in a violent, drunken rage I destroyed my room. I then drove off in my car with a case of beer on the floor and a loaded 12 gauge shot gun beside me. I kept thinking this would bring about an end to my misery. (It was at this time that my family wanted me to "check in to the hospital"). The ministers of the Swedenborgian religion either couldn't or didn't want to help me. They didn't know what to do with me. Then one of them said he had a relative who had changed religions and left Swedenborgianism. He told them that this man also had many of the same kind of problems and when he changed to this other religion he seemed to be happy now. So he suggested that I talk with this guy.
One day shortly thereafter a man named Jim Davis called me. He told me that he had heard I was having problems and might be able to help. He had a private pilots license and asked if I'd like to go flying with him. I agreed and went to see him. After we went flying we went back to his office. He began to tell me many things I had never heard before. He told me how he was once a drunk and trouble maker. How he had many other problems like mine. Then one day he saw a show called the 700 club on T.V and had gotten "Born Again." After which his life was dramatically changed. He said Jesus had delivered him from alcohol and depression. He showed me things in the Bible that I never knew were there. He told me that if I would give my life to Jesus that I too would also be delivered and set free. Now after spending my whole life in the Swedenborgian religion it was hard to just say I would give it all up to follow Jesus. Especially since Swedenborg's are supposed to have the best religion. I mean if they really have the second coming of Jesus Christ then any other religion would pale in comparison to it right? Yet here was a man who was living proof to the contrary. He testified to me about the power of God, that you can have a real and personal relationship with Jesus Christ. So why did I feel so empty inside? Why all the hurt, guilt and pain?
Jim then asked me if I would pray with him to received Jesus Christ into my heart. But again a life time of being a Swedenborgian and also being a bit embarrassed, I said no. He said he understood and asked me if he could pray for me? Now the only way I knew to pray and the only prayer I had ever heard any Swedenborgian pray is "The Lord's Prayer" you know the "Our Father who art in heaven...." So I said O.K. thinking that's what I'd hear. Jim then began to pray out loud and from his heart. He talked to God in a powerful and personal way. I had never heard anyone pray like that before. Here was this man praying for me with such feeling and heart and as he prayed tears were streaming down his face as he wept for me. This man didn't even know me and yet he prayed like he really cared. He prayed that God would reveal himself to me in a personal way, that I too would come to know Jesus as Lord and Savior. I then felt a little something break in my heart. This was the first time someone had shown real compassion and love for me. Though my heart was hardened by my life of sin, I felt it soften a bit then.
When he finished praying he wrote down a prayer and told me that if I would pray this prayer God would answer it! I put it in my pocket and left for home. Later that night as I lay in bed thinking on the things he had said and how miserable I felt I decided to try and pray that prayer. I got out of bed, unfolded the little paper and read it out loud to myself. I still remember it to this day. "Dear God, I am a sinner, I confess this to You. Please come into my life and be the Lord of my life. In Jesus Name Amen." That was it I then went back to bed and cried myself to sleep.
The next day I went to work. Then suddenly at around 9:30 I stopped what I was doing. Something was different. Something had happened in me, I could feel it. I felt a real joy, peace and love I had never felt before. It was incredible! I felt like a huge weight had been lifted off my shoulders. Now tears of Joy filled my eyes instead of tears of pain. I walked around saying "I can't believe it. He really answered me" I remember calling Jim to tell him that I had prayed that prayer the night before and how wonderful I now felt. We then began to meet together and study the complete Bible. I suddenly found myself with a hunger for the Word of God and I poured through page after page, soaking up every Word. It was so alive! I was astonished at what I found in the bible. This was the beginning of a wonderful relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. I had been truly Born Again.
All that time I was thinking that death was the only way to end the suffering, and in a sense I was right. It wasn't physical death I needed though but a spiritual one. For the old me truly died the night I received the Lord Jesus into my life. 2 Cor 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." I pray that this testimony will touch your heart and you to may be feeling the way I did.
Are you hungry to know God? Are you hurting or depressed? Does life seem empty? Religion can't answer your questions. Religion can't fill the void you feel within. Religion has NO power to help when you need it the most. But Jesus can!! Please continue on. To any Swedenborgian's reading this, I pray that you read this with an open heart and mind. Maybe you too feel that emptiness inside? I pray that THE Spirit of Truth will lead you into a wonderful encounter with Jesus Christ. Don't let the fact that you have spent all your life in it, or what you have been taught to keep you from reading any further. I have seen the *New Church web page! There are many errors and some out right lies told about Biblical Christianity! I feel this needs to be addressed and exposed. I also am praying and believing God to bring salvation to as many as will receive Him. The Gospel needs to be preached and hopefully reach as many as possible with the truth of God's Word.

God Bless you

Your Servant in Christ

David Weaver

drgade answered on 04/12/07:

A beautiful testimony.

Over the centuries millions have had a simliar experience and gone from death to life in Jesus.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/11/07 - The Neandertals: Our Worthy Ancestors?


The Fossil and Archaeological Evidence
by Marvin Lubenow
April 11, 2007
Today, the majority of paleoanthropologists believe that the Neandertals were a species separate from modern humans. The implication of their being a separate species is that if the Neandertals were living today, they probably would not be able to reproduce with us. But as we pointed out in Part I, most paleoanthropologists also believe that there was at least some degree of cross-fertilization between Neandertals and modern humans. These two beliefs seem to represent a contradiction in the species concept in human evolution that requires clarification.

DNA studies are the major basis on which the Neandertals are considered to be a separate species. We also showed in Part I that DNA comparisons do not constitute a proper “tool” by which to determine species relationships. The only “tool” by which to determine species relationships is fertility. Obviously, with fossil individuals, this determination is impossible.

However, there are two lines of evidence, more objective than DNA interpretation, that support the fact that the Neandertals were fully human ancestors of modern humans, especially Europeans. These lines of evidence are:

fossil evidence that Neandertals lived in close association and integration with modern humans
fultural evidence that Neandertal behavior and thought was fully human.
The amount of evidence in these two areas is extensive.

The Fossil Evidence
Neandertals and Modern Humans As An Integrated Population
The “classic” Neandertal differs somewhat from the typical modern human—the Neandertal skull is a bit flatter and elongated, the chin is rounder, and the skeleton is more robust. However, there is much overlap. In fact, there should never have been a question about Neandertal’s status in the human family. When the first Neandertal was discovered in 1856, even “Darwin’s bulldog,” Thomas Huxley, recognized that it was fully human and not an evolutionary ancestor. Donald Johanson, who discovered the famous fossil, Lucy, writes:

From a collection of modern human skulls Huxley was able to select a series with features leading “by insensible gradations” from an average modern specimen to the Neandertal skull. In other words, it wasn’t qualitatively different from present-day Homo sapiens.1
What Huxley discovered 150 years ago—gradations from Neandertals to modern humans—is clearly seen in the fossil record today. We are not referring to an evolutionary transition from earlier Neandertals to later modern humans. We are referring to morphological gradations between Neandertals and modern humans both living at the same time as contemporaries and representing a single human population. Whereas evolutionists have chosen to divide these Europeans into two categories—Neandertals and anatomically modern Homo sapiens, the individual fossils do not fit well into those categories. There is a wide range of variation among modern humans, and there is also much variation within the Neandertal category. A number of fossils in each group are very close to a subjective line which divides the two groups. The placement of that line is dependent upon the individual paleoanthropologist making the assessment. Since these fossil individuals could be categorized either way, they constitute a seamless gradation between Neandertals and modern humans. Thus, they demonstrate that the distinction made by evolutionists is an artificial one.

Among fossils usually classified as Neandertal are at least 26 individuals from six different sites who are clearly close to that subjective line which divides Neandertals from anatomically modern Homo sapiens. These fossils constitute part of that continuum or gradation. Evolutionists recognize these fossils as departing from the classic Neandertal morphology and describe them as “progressive” or “advanced” Neandertals. Their shape is sometimes explained as the result of gene flow (hybridization) with more modern populations. This would conflict with the interpretation of mtDNA and nuclear DNA that the Neandertals and modern humans are not the same species—since reproduction is on the species level. Those sites having “advanced” Neandertals are:

Vindija Cave remains, Croatia, twelve individuals2
Hahnöfersand frontal bone, Germany, one individual3, 4
Starosel’e remains, Ukraine, CIS, two individuals5
Stetten 3 humerus, cave deposits, Germany, one individual6
Ehringsdorf (Weimar) remains, Germany, nine individuals7
Krapina 1 (formerly Krapina A) skull, Croatia, one individual.8
Completing that continuum or gradation from Neandertals to modern humans are at least 107 individuals from five sites who are usually grouped with fossils categorized as anatomically modern humans. However, since they are close to that subjective line which divides them from the Neandertals, they are often described as “archaic moderns” or stated to have “Neandertal affinities” or “Neandertal features.” These five sites are:

Oberkassel remains, Germany, two individuals9
Mladec (Lautsch) cave remains, Czech Republic, a minimum of 98 individuals10, 11, 12
Velika Pecina Cave skull fragments, Croatia, one individual13,14
Bacho Kiro Cave mandibles, Bulgaria, two individuals15
Pontnewydd Cave remains, Wales, four individuals.16
Creationists maintain that the differences found in the fossil material between Neandertals and modern humans are the result of geography, not evolution. Notice that of the 133 fossil individuals that are “close to the line” between Neandertal and modern European morphology, all but four of them are from Eastern or Central Europe. If the differences between the Neandertals and modern Europeans were ones reflecting a degree of geographic isolation, perhaps Eastern Europe is where the hybridization or the homogenization began.

If the fossils mentioned above could constitute a gradation within a single, genetically diverse, population, an obvious question is: “Why do evolutionists place them in two separate species?” The answer is that the theory of human evolution demands such separation. Humans are alleged to have evolved from the australopithecines—a group of extinct primates. In other words, we evolved from beings who were not only outside of our species, but were also outside of our genus. Hence, the evolutionist must create categories, species, or intermediate steps between the australopithecines and modern humans in an attempt to create an alleged evolutionary sequence. Fossils that are very similar are placed in one species. Fossils with some differences from the first group are placed in another species.

Evolutionists must create species, whether they are legitimate or not, in an attempt to show the stages or steps that they believe we passed through in our evolution from lower primates. Hence, most evolutionists today place the Neandertals in a species separate from modern humans. Some evolutionists believe that the Neandertals evolved into (some) modern humans. Others believe that the Neandertals were a failed evolutionary experiment that did not quite make it to full humanity and became extinct. In either case, most evolutionists do not believe that the Neandertals themselves were fully human, at least in a behavioral sense. The fossil evidence suggests otherwise. The full range of genetic and behavioral variation within the human family encompasses the Neandertals.

Neandertal Burial Practice
At least 475 Neandertal fossil individuals have been discovered so far at about 124 sites in Europe, the Near East, and western Asia. This number includes those European archaic Homo sapiens fossils that are now called Neandertal or pre-Neandertal. Of these 475 Neandertal individuals, at least 258 of them (54%) represent burials—all of them burials in caves or rock shelters. Further, it is obvious that caves were used as family burial grounds or cemeteries, as the following sites show:

Krapina Rock Shelter, Croatia—75–82 Neandertals buried. Klein writes:
“Arguably, Krapina was a specialized burial site, since it contains relatively limited evidence for actual occupation.”17
Sima de los Huesos, Spain—33+ Neandertals interred in a deep cave never occupied as a dwelling by living Neandertals.
Arcy-sur-Cure Caves, France—26 Neandertals buried.
La Quina Rock Shelter, France—25 Neandertals buried.
Kebara Cave, Mount Carmel, Israel—21 Neandertals buried.
Amud Cave, Galilee, Israel—16 (?) Neandertals buried.
Tabun Cave, Mount Carmel, Israel—12 Neandertals buried.
Shanidar Cave, Iraq—9 Neandertals buried.
La Ferrassie Rock Shelter, France—“La Ferrassie was a veritable cemetery of eight graves ....”18
Guattari Cave, Monte Circeo, Italy—4 Neandertals buried.
Ksar ‘Akil Rock Shelter, Lebanon—3 Neandertals buried.
Spy Cave remains, Belgium—3 Neandertals buried.
Engis Caverns, Belgium—3 Neandertals buried.
The reason we have so many Neandertal fossils is because they did bury their dead. (The bodies were thus protected from carnivore activity.) Most anthropologists recognize burial as a very human and a very religious act. Richard Klein (Stanford University) writes: “Neanderthal graves present the best case for Neanderthal spirituality or religion ....”19 Only humans bury their dead.

Neandertals and Modern Humans Buried Together
Perhaps the strongest evidence that Neandertals were fully human and of our biblical “kind” is that at four sites people of Neandertal morphology and people of modern human morphology were buried together. In all of life, few desires are stronger than the desire to be buried with one’s own people. Skhul Cave, Mount Carmel, Israel, is considered to be a burial site of anatomically modern Homo sapiens individuals. Yet, Skhul IV and Skhul IX fossil skulls are closer to the Neandertal configuration than they are to modern humans.20 Qafzeh, Galilee, Israel, is also considered to be an anatomically modern burial site. However, Qafzeh skull 6 is clearly Neandertal in its morphology.21 Tabun Cave, Mount Carmel, Israel, is one of the classic Neandertal burial sites. But the Tabun C2 mandible is more closely aligned with modern mandibles found elsewhere.22 The Krapina Rock Shelter, Croatia, is one of the most studied Neandertal burial sites. A minimum of 75 individuals are buried there. The remains are fragmentary making diagnosis difficult. However, the addition of several newly identified fragments to the Krapina A skull (now known as Krapina 1) reveals it to be much more modern than was previously thought, indicating that it is intermediate in morphology between Neandertals and modern humans.23, 24

That Neandertals and anatomically modern humans were buried together constitutes strong evidence that they lived together, worked together, intermarried, and were accepted as members of the same family, clan, and community. The false distinction made by evolutionists today was not made by the ancients. To call the Neandertals “Cave Men” is to give a false picture of who they were and why caves were significant in their lives. The human family is a unified family. “From one man He (God) made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth ... ” (Acts 17:26).

Neandertal Burial Practice and the Burial Practice in Genesis
In comparing the Neandertal burial practice with Genesis, I do not wish to imply that Abraham or his ancestors or his descendants were Neandertals. What the relationship was—if any—between the people of Genesis and the Neandertals we do not know. Young Earth Creationists tend to believe that the Neandertals were a post-Flood people. What is striking is that the burial practice of the Neandertals seems to be identical with that of the post-Flood people of Genesis.

Genesis 23:17–20 records a business transaction between Abraham and the Hittite, Ephron. Abraham wanted to purchase property in order to bury Sarah. We read:

Afterward Abraham buried his wife Sarah in the cave in the field of Machpelah near Mamre (which is at Hebron) in the land of Canaan. So the field and the cave in it were deeded to Abraham by the Hittites as a burial site.
Upon his death (Genesis 25:7–11), Abraham was buried in that same cave. In Genesis 49:29–32, Jacob instructs his sons that he, too, is to be buried in that cave where Abraham and Sarah were buried. We then learn that Jacob buried his wife, Leah there, and that Isaac and Rebekah were buried there also. Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebekah, and Jacob and Leah were all buried in the cave in the field of Machpelah which Genesis 23:20 states Abraham purchased “as a burial site.” Only Sarah died in the geographic area of the cave. All of the others had to be transported some distance to be buried there, and Jacob’s body had to be brought up from Egypt. It was important then, as it is today, to be buried with family and loved ones. Certainly, if the Neandertal burial practice was similar to that of the people of Genesis, it suggests that the Neandertals were very much like us. It is not without significance that both Lazarus and Jesus were buried in caves (John 11:38; Matthew 27:60), and that this practice has continued in many cultures up to modern times.

Neandertal Burial and Grave Goods
When we bury someone we love, we often bury them with some item, some treasure, that they loved. And we almost always bury them with flowers. These items are called “grave goods.” It is claimed that the Neandertals did not have full human consciousness. That is, they did not have a sense of mortality or the possibility of immortality. A major evidence for this is the alleged lack of grave goods in Neandertal burials. Because the Upper Stone Age people often had rather elaborate grave goods, researchers have simply not noticed, or purposely ignored, that the Neandertals had grave goods—items related to their lifestyle of hunting. The following is a very small sample of grave goods from some Neandertal sites:

Amud Cave, Israel. A Neandertal infant was buried with a red deer maxilla (upper jaw) lying on its pelvis.
Dederiyeh Cave, Syria. A Neandertal infant lay on its back with arms extended and legs flexed. At its head was a slab of stone, of a rock type rare in the cave deposits, while a triangular piece of sculpted flint lay on the infant’s chest (heart), in the most sterile layer of the burial fill.25, 26 The significance of that last phrase is that the sculpted flint is not there by accident.
La Chapelle aux Saints (cave), France. A Neandertal skeleton was lying east-west (a common Neandertal orientation, and very common today) in an intentionally dug grave with his head beneath three or four large fragments of longbone (femur), themselves lying under the articulated bones of a bovid’s lower leg.27
Le Moustier Rock Shelter, France. This Neandertal site involves a person that had been buried in the attitude of sleep with hematite powder sprinkled on the remains.28
Régourdou Cave, France. This Neandertal site is an intentional burial in a cave, with bear bones arranged with the skeleton and the grave covered with a stone slab.29
Roc de Marsal, France. An elephant tusk is buried with a Neandertal skeleton.30
Shanidar Cave, Iraq. There are intentional burials of five Neandertals in the cave with flowers placed on at least one body. Both Juan Luis Arsuaga and Brian Hayden refer to these flowers as “grave goods.”31
Teshik-Tash Cave, Uzbekistan, CIS. The site contains a Neandertal child buried with mountain goat horns surrounding the body.32
Although our emphasis has been upon burial, it is important to know that the Neandertals have a record of tender care for individuals before death. This has been established at Shanidar Cave, Iraq, and at the Bau de l’Aubesier Rock Shelter, France. In The Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, Neandertal authority Erik Trinkaus et al. write regarding the Neandertals: “These human populations therefore had achieved a level of sociocultural elaboration sufficient to maintain debilitated individuals and to provide the motivation to do so.”33 In life and death, Neandertals seem so very human.

The Archaeological Evidence
The claim that the Neandertals were culture-thin is surprising considering the evidence now available. The Neandertals are alleged to be less than fully human because they had no glue or adhesives for hafting tools, no unequivocal art objects, no boats, canoes, or ships, no bows and arrows, no cave paintings, no domesticated animals or plants, no hooks, nets, or spears for fishing, no lamps, no metallurgy, no mortars and pestles, no musical instruments, no needles or awls for sewing, no ropes for carrying things, no sculpture, and no long distance overland trade.

The Indians of Tierra del Fuego, at the extreme southern tip of South America, were hunter-gatherers. They were considered to be among the most primitive people on earth. Ashley Montagu (Princeton University) writes that these Indians:

[They] . . . live in perhaps the worst climate in the world, a climate of bitter cold, snow, and sleet, and heavy rains a great deal of the time, yet they usually remain entirely naked. During extremely cold weather they may wear a loose cape of fur and rub their bodies with grease.34
When Charles Darwin went on his famous around-the-world voyage, he visited the Fuegians. In his fascinating work, The Voyage of the Beagle, Darwin describes Fuegian life and culture.35 It is difficult to compare people living in historic times with people we know only from fossils and cultural remains. Nevertheless, a strong case could be made that the cultural inventory of the Fuegians was less complex and extensive than was the cultural inventory of the Neandertals. Yet, no one considered the Fuegians to be less than fully human, except Darwin, who believed that they were too primitive (sub-human) to be evangelized. Darwin was proven wrong by missionaries who did evangelize them. In fairness to Darwin, he later admitted his mistake regarding the spiritual potential of the Fuegians.36

One of the most brutal episodes in human history was the genocide of the full-blooded Tasmanians about a century ago. The genocide was allowed because evolutionists claimed that the Tasmanians were not fully human. The reason their full humanity was doubted was because evolutionists applied the false test of culture. Jared Diamond (University of California, Los Angeles) states in his article “Ten Thousand Years of Solitude” that any anthropologist would describe the Tasmanians as “the most primitive people still alive in recent centuries.”37 Of all of the people in the world, they were considered among the least technologically advanced. Hence, they were considered less evolved than other people.

Like the Indians of Tierra del Fuego, the cultural inventory of the Tasmanians, as described by Diamond, was less complex and extensive than was the cultural inventory of the Neandertals. Yet, the Tasmanians proved that they were fully human. How did they prove it? They passed the fertility test. Although all full-blooded Tasmanians are gone, there are many Tasmanians of mixed blood today because in those early days many Caucasian men married Tasmanian women.

The following items suggest the full humanity of the Neandertals.

The Neandertals as Occupational Hunters
The lifestyle of the Neandertals can be summed up in just one word—hunting. To study the Neandertal sites with their collections of the largest game animals gives the overwhelming impression that they were occupational hunters. Fossils of large animals are found in association with Neandertal fossils at over half of the Neandertal sites.

The evidence can be summarized as follows:

The largest group of animals found at Neandertal sites are the very same types of animals used by humans for food today;
These animals are usually very large grazers, unlikely to be carried to the sites by carnivores;
Many show cut marks made by stone tools indicating that they were butchered;
The Neandertals had the thrusting spears, hand axes, and other weapons to effectively hunt these animals;
The Neandertal fossils show the injuries typical of those who handle large animals, such as cowboys.
Thus, it seems impossible to deny the Neandertals the reputation they so richly deserve—stunning big game hunters.

Especially stunning is that about half of the Neandertal sites that have fossil animal remains have fossils of elephants and woolly mammoths. Palaeontologist Juan Luis Arsuaga (Complutense University, Madrid) writes:

The elephant is the largest possible game animal on the face of the earth .... Beyond the physical capacity of prehistoric humans to hunt elephants, the crux of the polemic is in their mental capacity to develop and execute complex hunting strategies based on seasonally predicable conditions. Planning is powerful evidence for [the Neandertals having fully human] consciousness.38
At Schöningen, Germany, were found three fir spears, fashioned like modern javelins, cleft at one end to accommodate stone points. They are the world’s oldest throwing spears, dated by evolutionists at about 400,000 years old. They are six to seven and one-half feet long, and required powerful people to use them. It proves that there were big-game hunters at that time, and suggests a long tradition of hunting with such tools. It is presumed that the Neandertals used them.39 “If they are what they seem to be, these would be the first known weapons to incorporate two materials, in this case stone and wood. The Neanderthals almost surely used the many stone points found in Mousterian sites for the same purpose.”40 At the same site was found on a bed of black peat a fossilized horse pelvis with a wooden lance sticking out of it.41

Neandertals and Art
There is a problem in the recognition of evidence for “art” among the Neandertals. The presence of art is considered a major indication of full humanity when dealing with fossil humans. Not only is other evidence regarding the full humanity of the Neandertals not given proper weight, but the evidence for art among the Neandertals has been seriously under-reported because of a subjective bias. The reason for this bias is an attempt to protect the field of paleoanthropology from the charge of racism. (The details of this very real problem are beyond the scope of this article, but are fully explained in Section III of my book, Bones of Contention, Revised edition, available from Answers in Genesis.)

This under-reporting of art among the Neandertals is confirmed by prehistorian Paul Bahn who writes regarding the attempts to make the Neandertals a separate species:

... in essence this boils down to stating that the Neanderthals were so different from ourselves that a firm line can be drawn between them and us, a view that is by no means universally held. To shore up this approach, all the growing body of evidence for “art” before 40,000 years ago is simply dismissed and ignored.42
Tools are found at most Neandertal sites. Since they are not the artistic, delicate tools that are found in the Upper Stone Age, it has been assumed that the Neandertals had not evolved mentally to the stage where they could make such tools. This criticism is absurd. The Neandertal tools are what one would expect for a hunting people. Their tools are the utensils of the butcher shop, not the sterling silver utensils of a fancy French restaurant. Many archaeologists miss the point. It is not just a fancy tool that is a work of art, any tool is a work of artistic conceptualization.

Juan Luis Arsuaga states that making a stone tool is actually a work of art or sculpture. He writes: “Purposeful chipping at a stone is like sculpture in that it requires carefully chosen target points, very accurately aimed blows, a correctly calculated angle of impact, and well-regulated force.”43

The story is told of a child who watched a sculptor take a large block of granite and over many weeks produced the statue of a man. Overcome with awe, the child asks the sculptor: “How did you know that man was in the rock?” The sculptor “knew” that the man was in the rock in the same way that the Neandertals “knew” that the tools were in the stones. Both works are the product of a mind with conceptual ability. And the evidence shows that the Neandertals had such ability.

The Neandertals also had other works of art. A few of them are:

Arcy-sur-Cure caves, France. The site contains jewelry ornaments (bone, teeth, and ivory) with Neandertal fossils44 and iron pyrites with engraving.
Bilzingsleben, Germany. At this Neandertal site, a 15 inch-long piece of an elephant tibia has what appears to be engraving with seven lines going in one direction and twenty-one lines going in another direction. Two other pieces of bone have cut lines that seem to be too regular to be accidental. Archaeologist Dietrich Mania (University of Jena) says: “They are graphic symbols. To us it’s evidence of abstract thinking and human language.”45
La Quina, France. Richard Klein, a doubter regarding Neandertal art, writes: “The list of proposed art objects from Mousterian/MSA sites depends on the author, but frequently cited examples include a reindeer phalanx and a fox canine, each punctured or perforated by a hole (for hanging?) from La Quina in France; ... [and] occasional bones with lines that may have been deliberately engraved or incised ....”46
La Roche-Cotard, France. A stunning discovery of Neandertal rock art is described as a human “face-mask” of palm-sized flint that has been reworked and altered. It was found in ice-age deposits. It’s identification with the Neandertals is based on its being “side by side with Mousterian tools”47 in an undisturbed layer eight feet under the surface. The rock was hand-trimmed to enhance its human appearance by percussion flaking, the same way stone tools were made. It’s human appearance was further enhanced “by a shard of animal bone pushed through a hole behind the bridge of the nose creating the appearance of eyes or eyelids.” The report adds: “It is clearly not accidental since the bone is fixed firmly in place by two tiny wedges of flint ....”48
Divje Babe Cave 1, Slovenia (northern Yugoslavia). A flute made from the thighbone of a cave bear used the same seven-note system as is found in western music, and it is associated with Mousterian tools.49 Mousterian tools are normally the type made by Neandertals.
Neandertals and Bone Tools
Bone tools are considered to be more sophisticated than stone tools. It is not unusual to read anthropologists who claim that the Neandertals were too primitive to have made bone tools. These anthropologists have not done their homework. Besides the mention of bone jewelry at Arcy-sur-Cure, France, under “Art,” Number B (1.) above, the scientific literature records bone tools at the following sites:

Bilzingsleben, Germany. This Neandertal site has many hearths and has produced the world’s largest collection of bone artifacts, with workshops for working bone, stone, and wood.50
Castel di Guido, Italy. At this Neandertal site 5,800 bone and Acheulean stone artifacts were discovered. Some bone implements were rather simple. “Other bone implements show a higher degree of secondary flaking and are comparable to the classic forms of stone tools; especially remarkable are several bone bifaces made with bold, large flake removals. The presence and abundance of undeniable, deliberately shaped bone tools make Castel di Guido a truly exceptional site.”51
Fontana Ranuccio, Italy. This Neandertal site contains some of the earliest artifacts found in Europe—Acheulean tools, including well-made hand axes, bone tools that were flaked, like stone, by percussion, and bifaces (hand axes) made of elephant bone.52
La Ferrassie Rock Shelter, France. The Neandertal site contains tools that are of the Charentian Mousterian culture,53 together with an engraved bone found with the La Ferrassie 1 fossil individual.
La Quina Rock Shelter, France. This Neandertal site contains bone tools such as antler digging picks and highly modified lower ends of wild horse humeri.54
Petralona Cave, Greece. Evidence of the controlled use of fire is seen by blackened fire-stones and ashes. It would be impossible for fire in the cave to be of non-human origin. Artifacts at this Neandertal site include stone tools of the early Mousterian culture and bone awls and scrapers.55
Régourdou Cave, France. This Neandertal site contains bone tools, such as an antler digging pick and an awl.56
The Neandertals and Space Allocation
The ability to allocate specific areas for living, working, trash, and other purposes is considered to be a characteristic of a fully developed human mind. For some reason, this mental and conceptual ability by the Neandertals has been questioned. The scientific literature shows that the Neandertals clearly had this ability.

Arago Cave (Tautavel), France. Excavations show the presence of structured and walled living areas indicating cognitive and social capacity in Neandertal populations.57
Arcy-sur-Cure caves, France. At this Neandertal site there is evidence of a separation between ground that was littered with debris and clear ground, which suggests an original wall that separated the living area from the damp part of the cave, indicating the socially structured use of space.58
Bilzingsleben, Germany. The Neandertal people here made structures similar to those made by Bushmen of southern Africa today. Three circular foundations of bone and stone have been uncovered, 9 to 13 feet across, with a long elephant tusk possibly used as a center post. A 27-foot-wide circle of pavement made of stone and bone may have been an area used for cultural activities with a anvil of quartzite set between the horns of a huge bison.59
La Chaise Caves, France. This Neandertal site contains the presence of structured and walled living areas indicating cognitive and social capacity.60
La Ferrassie Rock Shelter, France. This Neandertal site contains a rectangle of calcareous stones, 3 x 5 meters, carefully laid one beside the other to construct a flat surface for “clearly intentional work.”61
Le Lazaret Cave, France. Richard Klein states that this Neandertal site contains “clusters of artifacts, bones, and other debris that could mark hut bases or specialized activity areas.” Klein adds, “... the presence of a structure is suggested by an 11 x 3.5 m concentration of artifacts and fragmented animal bones bounded by a series of large rocks on one side and by the cave wall on the other. The area also contains two hearths .... The rocks could have supported poles over which skins were draped to pitch a tent against the wall of the cave.”62
Neandertals and Technology
The Neandertal site at Umm el Tlel, Syria, is dated at about 42,500 years of age.63 The site contains Mousterian tools hafted with bitumen at very high temperatures. Prior to this, the earliest hafted tools were dated at about 10,000 years of age. The Nature report continues: “These new data suggest that Palaeolithic people had greater technical ability than previously thought, as they were able to use different materials to produce tools.”64 Simon Holdaway (La Trobe University, Australia) states: “... evidence for hafting in the Middle Palaeolithic may indicate that more complex multi-component forms existed earlier, so changing our perceptions of the relationships between the two periods.”65 That is a remarkable statement. Just a few years ago, we were repeatedly told that the Neandertals had no adhesives.

Conclusion
The evidence suggests that we need to rethink our attitude toward the Neandertals. All that we could reasonably expect from the fossil and archaeological records supports the full humanity of the Neandertals, our worthy ancestors.

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drgade answered on 04/11/07:

I'm a Aneandertal..... I don't believe tht they existed as anything different than either a form of ape or a distinct ethnic group of people with certain characteristics.

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revdauphinee asked on 04/11/07 - re Imus

First let me say i never watch Imus so I know little about him what he said was awfull and the words should be condemed But Al sharpton has a rev in front of his name so I assume he calims to be a christian!he says no mater how much Imus says he is sory (and he has)where is his following of his faith ???did not Jesus say
(Matt.18:21-35
21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
22 Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

drgade answered on 04/11/07:

I have nothing good to say about Imus, before or after his recent foul-up.

Of all the evil that is spoken on TV by politicains where do people get off charging this old guy with an "unforgiveable" sin according to the world?

It sounds more like a diversion of the media to look away from their own evil.

Rom 2:13-15
14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15 since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
(from New International Version)

OR EVEN MORE TO THE POINT:


Luke 18:9-11
10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men-robbers, evildoers, adulterers-or even like this tax collector.
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HANK1 asked on 04/11/07 - SURVIVAL:



Many times, human enthusiasts will cite some of our unique characteristics, such as sentience, complex emotions, and a sense of right and wrong. Personally, I think such arguments betray a deep, ingrained speciocentricity. We, as humans, note a bunch of our characteristics and then deem them value-adding traits. Why? The answer is obvious: We, as humans, have a self-interested stake in our own survival. Therefore, we have selfish reasons for fabricating the notion that humans have greater intrinsic worth.

Do you agree?

HANK

drgade answered on 04/11/07:

No.

Humans were created as highest form of being on the earth.

But in rejecting the lordship of God over them, they are often called and act worse than the predatory animals they were to rule.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/11/07 - How could a Christian organisation like the KKK do these terrible things, and how could juries comp




Scores of civil-rights activists were murdered in the American south in the 1950s and 60s. Their killers mostly went unpunished. But now cases are being reopened, as a new generation resolves to see justice done at last. Suzanne Goldenberg reports

Wednesday April 11, 2007
The Guardian

Michael Schwerner, James Chaney and Andrew Goodman, the three civil-rights campaigners were beaten and shot dead by Ku Klux Klan members in Philadelphia, Mississippi, in June 1964.

This is a Mississippi story. On January 11 1966, a gold-toned Plymouth Fury carrying a group of voting-rights activists crashed on a stretch of road near the small town of Sidon in the west of the state. Two African-American women, Birdia Keglar and Adlena Hamlett, were killed on that day. That much is certain. But in their deaths is buried a painful question that has gnawed at three generations of their families.

Was this an ordinary car wreck, or were the two women, who had previously been threatened, shot at and burned in effigy because of their efforts to register black voters, targetted on that road? Engineered car crashes were a known tactic by the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi in the 1950s and 60s.

Violent crimes against African-Americans were rarely investigated or punished. And even if the women were murdered by white supremacists, was it better, as some members of Keglar's own family believed, to leave such suspicions left unspoken?

Now, 41 years after that crash, Keglar's cousin, Gwen Dailey, is campaigning for the FBI to open an investigation into her death. Despite the passage of time, the lack of recorded evidence, and the death of what few witnesses there may have been to that accident long ago, it is not an entirely unreasonable hope.

On February 27, the FBI announced at a press conference in Washington that it was going to take a new look at more than 100 unsolved murder cases from 1954 to 1968, the height of the struggle over racial integration and voting rights, when thousands of black and white activists in the south took on a culture fiercely opposed to any notion of equality or change.

The agency's director, Robert Mueller, said he had directed 17 field offices across the south to look into the files and determine which cases could still lead to a feasible prosecution despite the intervening years - in Mississippi, one new trial gets under way next month.

The move is an acknowledgment of a new generation in Mississippi that wants to put the past behind it, not by forgetting, but by trying to render some form of justice. Since 1989, the authorities in seven states have reopened investigations into 29 killings from the civil-rights era, leading to 28 arrests and 22 convictions. The true number of such murders could easily run into the hundreds. Shortly before the FBI announcement, the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which reports on hate crimes from its base in Montgomery, Alabama, put forward its own list of more than 70 suspicious killings that were never investigated by the authorities.

During those violent years, there was very little interest from state police or the FBI in investigating or even recording the suspicious deaths of African Americans, let alone those who were activists.

But the past has caught up with Mississippi. In most cases, relatives of those victims have set the pace for change by putting pressure on the authorities for an investigation. In others, investigative journalists or prosecutors have taken it upon themselves to reopen so-called cold cases. In Gwen Dailey's case, it was a question of putting to rest the doubt surrounding the true manner of her cousin's death, doubt that had been buzzing for almost all of her life. "I never stopped thinking about it. It wasn't a constant everyday thing, but I never stopped wondering: why did it happen, why does this kind of thing happen?"

Dailey is 57 now. As a child growing up in a close-knit family on a farm in the very rural Tallahatchie County in Mississippi, she was eager to spend her days tagging along after Birdia Keglar. Unusually for those days, Keglar was an active businesswoman. She ran a funeral parlour in town, belonged to several service organisations, and raised two sons practically on her own after husband's early death.

By the time Dailey knew her, Keglar was well into middle age and had earned a reputation as a persistent activist for voting rights in Tallahatchie County. The poor north-western corner of the state, flat and low-lying, was one of the most recalcitrant when it came to recognising the rights of African-Americans who, then as now, formed a majority in the county. It was here that Emmett Till, a 14-year-old African-American boy from Chicago, was kidnapped by a group of white men after he was accused of whistling at a white woman in a grocery store in 1955. When his body was dragged out of the Tallahatchie river three days later, there was a bullet in his skull and a heavy processing fan from a cotton gin attached to his body with barbed wire as a weight.

A jury of 12 white men deliberated for 67 minutes before acquitting the two suspects in the crime; a few months later the pair confessed to murdering Till in a magazine interview.

In those days, Keglar was one of the few African-Americans in Tallahatchie, male or female, who dared to be active in the civil-rights movement. She travelled to the Mississippi state capital of Jackson and to Washington, DC, marched in Alabama, and spent more than 10 years battling the local authorities at home to be allowed to register to vote. Her family says she was the first black woman to cast her ballot in the county. "She was a tiny little lady. She must have been four foot nine. She wasn't afraid," says Margaret Block, a civil-rights activist who was 18 when she met Keglar in the early 60s. "She was about the only one over there organising and leading organisations. Mrs Keglar was real serious. Everybody came to her for advice."

That activity created dangerous enemies for Keglar. Dailey says Keglar was often forced to change her route home from work after receiving threats. The lights were shot out at her home, and she was once forced off the road by a speeding blue truck. On the evening of January 11 1966, Keglar was returning from a meeting of civil-rights activists in Jackson when a local taxi driver turned up at the Dailey family home to pass on word of a car crash. The story in circulation was that Keglar had been killed on the spot in a head-on collision with another vehicle with a single white occupant. What the family could not entirely grasp on that day was that Mississippi was in the throes of a new statewide campaign of cross-burnings and violence organised by the Klan to protest at the start of investigations by Congress into civil rights abuses.

But, says Dailey, even then some things did not entirely add up. The two women in the car were horribly mutilated, the family says. Keglar was decapitated, which the family saw as a signature of a Klan killing. The car, a new model that belonged to and was driven by a relative of Keglar's named Grafton Gray, was never returned to the family from the crash site by the authorities. Neither were Keglar's briefcase or her prized fur coat. There was no coroner's report.

Dailey and other family members believe the car was deliberately rammed, and that the women were hauled out and tortured by the ambushing gang in front of the men who had been with them in the car. Despite surviving the crash and living for some years afterwards, Gray never spoke of what happened on that day. Neither did the other African-American survivor, who has also since died, nor a white activist from Massachusetts whom the family cannot locate. Over the years, Keglar's surviving son, Robert, now 82, pressed his cousin Gray, who lived on the neighbouring farm, for details. But he says his relative was terrified. "He wouldn't talk. I pressed him, but he just wouldn't talk," he says. "For months and years afterwards he would just go out to the edge of the field and cry," Dailey says.

Some details did seep out, Dailey says. A few days after the crash, the local white sheriff turned up at the family home to warn her father against asking too many questions. Robert Keglar received a similar visit. A few months later, his brother's house was set on fire. His brother died. Then Robert Keglar was dismissed from his teacher's job, as was Grafton Gray. The family decided it was best to set aside their doubts - or at least not voice them publicly.

Dailey moved to Chicago to work in healthcare; other family members, shocked and frightened, retreated into silence. Over the years, on visits home, Dailey asked her family about trying to investigate Keglar's death. "My dad said the climate here was still the same and if I was not going to live here and pursue this, I shouldn't do it," she says. In 2000, Dailey did give up her job in Chicago. When she moved home, she was nearly as old as Keglar was when she died - and suddenly she understood her father's fear and reluctance.

Dailey began writing to local representatives regardless, and visited the authorities asking for records on her aunt's death. On June 1 last year, her home town held a Birdia Keglar day. There are also plans to rename a strip of highway. "I have just been kind of pushing for something. I knew there could never be justice, but to get the incident recategorised so that it wasn't just saying that it was an accident where two women were killed - then I think I can sleep at night," Dailey says.

It is an impulse that Jerry Mitchell understands. On the computer in his cubicle in the newsroom of the Clarion-Ledger newspaper in Jackson, Mitchell keeps his own reminder of the importance of dealing with the past. It's a screensaver with the image of three young civil-rights workers: James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. The three, who were in the south registering blacks to vote, were in Philadelphia, Mississippi, in June 1964, investigating the torching of a black church, when they were arrested for speeding. After their release, late at night, they were ambushed on a remote road by two carloads of Klan members. They were beaten before being shot dead, their bodies buried in an earthen dam, and their car set on fire. "It's kind of them saying to me: 'Don't forget about us.' So I kept writing about it," Mitchell says. "I don't know if there is enough there to prosecute, but there is enough there to keep looking at it."

And enough to keep writing. A white southerner who is now 47, Mitchell had stumbled into what has turned out to be his life's work when he got a ticket to see the 1989 film Mississippi Burning, about the three civil-rights workers. Eight months later, he had a front-page story in the Clarion-Ledger about how a secretive state agency called the Sovereignty Commission had spied on Schwerner before his death, and circulated the registration number of his car around the state.

Over the years, Mitchell's investigations would help persuade the authorities that it was possible to bring ageing white supremacists to justice. His stories led to successful prosecutions in some of the most notorious cases of the civil-rights era, starting with the murder of the state secretary of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People, Medgar Evers, who was shot dead on the doorstep of his home in 1963. In the files of the Sovereignty Commission, Mitchell unearthed documents showing how the agency surreptitiously helped in the defence of the Klansman Byron de la Beckwith, who was on trial for Evers' murder. The revelation led to a new trial for Beckwith and his conviction on murder charges in 1994.

A subsequent Mitchell story exposed the holes in the alibi of Klansman Bobby Frank Cherry, leading to his conviction in the 1963 firebombing of a church in Birmingham, Alabama. Then Mitchell started combing the state's history archives, discovering a conversation with a Klan wizard that implicated a preacher named Edgar Ray Killen in organising the mob that killed the three civil-rights workers. Mitchell had a new target and, in 2005, he got him. Killen was convicted of the manslaughter of the three, and sentenced to 60 years in prison. Initially, the preacher, then 80, was freed on bail pending an appeal after pleading that he was confined to his wheelchair and needed oxygen to survive. However, a month after the verdict, Mitchell wrote a story on how Killen had been seen filling up his car unaided at a local petrol station. The preacher was ordered to remain in jail. But even after that victory, Mitchell says he is not done. "I continue to look at the three civil-rights workers' case," he says. "A number of these guys are walking around still."

Persuading readers and editors that there was an interest in pursuing these long-buried cases was a challenge at first. "I got a lot of calls saying, 'What are you doing writing about this dead N-word?' " he said. "I even had people I knew tell me: 'Jerry, why are you writing about this old stuff? Leave it alone.' "

Mitchell is rarely told to leave things alone now that he has won his paper a string of awards, but he says the work does not get easier. Though he continues to come across large numbers of suspected hate crimes from the past, he says he is forced to focus only on the most viable - those with an FBI paper trail, or where surviving witnesses offer a hope of eventual prosecution. But time is running out. "It just takes so much energy to do one of these cases. It's hard to crank it back up again," he says. "The window is closing. If there are going to be cases brought, then they have got to be brought fairly quickly."

In Tallahatchie County, where Birdia Keglar and Emmett Till died, the past 20 years have brought the emergence of an elected African-American political class, shifting the balance of power within the communities. Fifty years after the sham trial for Till's killers, it would be unheard of for an all-white male jury to sit on a murder trial. The most senior elected official in the county - Jerome Little, chairman of the board of supervisors - is African-American. Little is one of many people in Mississippi who has visions of turning the sites associated with Till's death into a tourist trail. He says his ambition is for the county to offer a formal apology to Till's relatives for his murder. In Philadelphia, where the three civil-rights workers were killed, black and white citizens have spent years working towards reconciliation. Now they are concerned with making sure that school textbooks have chapters on the civil-rights movement, and they have political support. These days, Mississippi has more elected black officials than any other state in America.

These changes have helped lay the foundation on which it is now possible to prosecute the crimes of the past, says Douglas Jones. He was instrumental in the prosecution of one of the most horrific crimes of the civil-rights era: the 1963 bombing of the Birmingham church, which killed four girls attending Sunday school in the basement. Although the authorities had identified four prime suspects within days of the bombing, only one man had ever been successfully prosecuted - until Jones took up the case. In April 2001, he secured the con- viction of Klan member Thomas Blanton for driving the men to the church in the middle of the night to lay a dozen sticks of dynamite on the window ledge. A year later he helped to secure a life sentence against another accomplice, Bobby Frank Cherry, who is believed to have set the fuse. "Today these old civil-rights cases will get a much more adept and critical review in terms of trying to open cases than they would have 15 or 20 years ago," Jones says. "I think most prosecutors would say: "I would give it a look.' "

But as Jones learned with the Birmingham bombing case, obtaining new evidence was almost impossible. Memories fade, witnesses die. In many instances there is no documentation. And despite Jones's optimistic outlook about race relations in the south, he found very little evidence of latter-day conscience in former associates of the Klan. His investigators interviewed 30 to 40 former Klan members, but found none genuinely willing to talk. Instead, Jones focused on mining the contacts Cherry and Blanton made in the years after the bombing. He discovered that Cherry had admitted to a granddaughter that he had had a hand in the girls' death. Then, through a process he describes as "the hand of God or something", one of Cherry's five former wives came forward to say he had told her he had lit the fuse on the explosives.

Jones admits, however, that his greatest asset was simply the chance to put evidence before a jury that was not blinkered by racism. PowerPoint presentations helped, as did television screens to view images of the girls' broken bodies, but the main thing was timing. "People were ready. Not only has there just been a general shift in attitudes in people who sit on juries, but there has been a seismic shift in communities, communities who have tried for so long to hide their past," he says.

So how does it feel to bring some measure of healing to one of America's great injustices? Jones is still troubled by the bombing. "As good as it feels to convict a guy and put him in prison, the tragic part of this case is that I never can really tell the story. I can't tell who built the bomb, and who took the bomb and planted it in Thomas Blanton's car. Did it go off at the right time that morning? Or was there a bad fuse, and it didn't go off when it was supposed to? All these questions are unanswered."

Gwen Dailey's questions about the way Birdia Keglar died are just beginning.

My Question: How could a Christian organisation like the KKK do these terrible things, and how could juries composed of Southern Christians acquit the obviously guilty murderers?

Is it time American Christians were made to face their hatred and bigotry?


drgade answered on 04/11/07:

There never was a Christian organization called the KKK.

There was a group of spiritualy dead people who sought to deceive recruits by calling themelves "Christians" in order to work wickedness through hatred and violence.

Saying that you are "good" doesn't make you good any more than saying that you are Christian makes you a Christian.

Matt 7:21

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
(from New International Version)


Luke 6:46

46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
(from New International Version)

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HANK1 asked on 04/11/07 - TRANSITION:



What makes a person become an ATHEIST?

HANK

drgade answered on 04/11/07:

Pride in oneself.

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HANK1 asked on 04/11/07 - TRANSITION II:



What makes a person become a CHRISTIAN?

HANK

drgade answered on 04/11/07:

ONLY the power of God can do this.

It may be that He brings a person to the brink of destruction before they turn to God. Or some just slowly grow closer from their early years.

John 14:6-9
6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.



Matt 11:27
27 "All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.



Rom 1:16
16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.



1 Cor 1:18
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
(all above from New International Version)



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paraclete asked on 04/11/07 - So we are accused of hating Muslims?

I wonder why?


Time to stop all the anti-Western hatred

By Andrew Bolt

April 11, 2007 01:00am
Article from: Herald-Sun


MAYBE this time, I thought. Maybe this first Australian Islamic Conference would at last show us the moderate Muslim leaders we've searched for.

God, we need them. Look at the latest doings of the hate-preachers we have now.

Take the Mufti of Australia, Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilali, who has just given interviews in Iran demanding Muslims stand "in the trenches" with its hostage-taking regime, and is now being investigated for allegedly giving $12,000 to a Lebanese propagandist linked to terrorists.

Meanwhile, the head of the Lebanese Muslim Association, which pays him to preach at Australia's biggest mosque, has had to seek police protection for suggesting this fool had best shut up.

Yet, even now, the Federation of Islamic Councils, which made Hilali mufti, refuses to sack him, though he's vilified Jews, praised suicide bombers as "heroes", called the September 11 terrorist attacks "God's work against oppressors", excused convicted pack rapist Bilal Skaf and said raped women should be "jailed for life".

The greatest pity is that Hilali isn't the only hate-preacher in our mosques.

Other radical sheiks have been accused of telling followers not to pay taxes to this infidel Government.

Worse, the Howard Government sidelined its Muslim Community Reference Group after finding a third of the 14 "moderates" it handpicked actually backed the Iranian-backed Hezbollah extremist group, notorious for its terrorist wing.

So, after all this and more, we desperately need to hear from those moderate Muslim leaders we keep telling each other must surely exist. Must.

Was it so dumb to think Mercy Mission would at last provide them - Muslim leaders who would demonstrate (in the mission's own words) that they "benefit the communities in which they live"?

You may have dared to hope, given this new group's leaders include the highly educated Tawfique Chowdhury, a Bangladeshi-born and Australian-raised IT project manager, and Adel Salman, who so impressed his employers at Cadbury Schweppes that he was selected for the prestigious Asialink leaders program.

It was Salman, so polished, who organised for Mercy Mission its first annual Australian Islamic Conference at Melbourne University over the Easter weekend.

The odd timing was surely just an innocent coincidence, because the conference had a noble aim: to "present a true picture of 'Islam in action' to the wider community" and convince Australians that "Islamic values are universal values".

So who, among all the Muslims in the world, did Mercy Mission choose to fly in to give us this "true picture" of a moderate Islam?

Of the six international speakers it advertised, let me introduce you to two.

The first is Bilal Philips, a Jamaican-born Canadian who was a communist and worker for the Black Panther terrorist group before converting to Islam and becoming a preacher.

His message is uncompromising: "Western culture led by the United States is an enemy of Islam." Which makes him an odd choice as speaker at a conference to reassure us that "Islamic values are universal values".

But the choice of Philips is even odder given the United States named him as an "unindicted co-conspirator" over the 1993 bombing of New York's World Trade Centre, and our own security agencies judged him such a threat he was banned from coming here.

Philips insists he rejects terrorism and considers al-Qaeda a "deviate" group. But from his own website and interviews you'd see why some might not take him at his word.

He freely admits he was hired by the Saudi air force during the first Gulf War to preach to American soldiers stationed in Saudi Arabia and convert them to Islam.

He says he succeeded, and "registered the names and addresses of over 3000 male and female US soldiers".

Philips didn't just take down their names; he also visited them back in America. "My role was confined to encouraging them to train Muslim-American volunteers and go to Bosnia to help the mujahidin and take part in the war (against Serbia)," he boasted. That worked, too.

Philips says his name was dragged into the investigation of the first World Trade Centre bombing, in which six people were killed, because some African-American soldiers he'd converted were offered by someone else to Sheik Abdel Rahmen, spiritual head of the terrorists behind the attack. These ex-soldiers would be great for domestic sabotage, the sheik was told.

But Clement Rodney Hampton-El, an al-Qaeda-trained American bombmaker now serving a 35-year sentence for the World Trade Centre bombings, claimed Philips also gave him the names of soldiers who were about to leave the military and who might help the Bosnian jihadists.

To repeat: Philips denies any links to al-Qaeda, and swears he is opposed to terrorism, although he does say Muslims are entitled to defend their faith by force.

But given his support for jihadists, his past contacts with jailed terrorists and the allegations against him, why on earth did Mercy Mission choose him to preach here?

To invite one such extremist speaker might seem like bad luck, but to invite two might make you think Mercy Mission wouldn't know a moderate Muslim if he blew up in their face.

I say that because also high on Mercy Mission's guest list was another convert, British journalist Yvonne Ridley, with a much nastier line in preaching.

Ridley didn't just marry a colonel in one terror group - Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Liberation Organisation - but has been busy since defending others like it.

Some highlights:

Soon after the September 11 terrorist attacks Ridley actually accused Islamic sheiks of going soft.

"Muslims have lost confidence since September 11," she complained. "Something as simple as suicide bombers being martyrs is being denied by prominent sheiks."

That's one of her mantras. At a Belfast meeting of Islamic students, she insisted there were no innocent Israeli victims in suicide bombings. Not even children.

"There are no innocents in this war," she reportedly raged, because Israeli children could grow up to become Israeli soldiers.

She even hailed as a "martyr" the Chechen terrorist Shamil Basayev, who planned the attack on the Beslan school in which 333 hostages - many of them children - were killed. An "admirable struggle", she called his life's work.

Ridley has never called on Muslims to boycott such terrorists, but instead demanded British Muslims "boycott the police and refuse to co-operate with them in any way, shape or form".

And when relatives of al-Qaeda's then leader in Iraq, the head-hacker Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, denounced his bomb attacks on three hotels in Jordan, she was livid.

"While the killing of innocent people is to be condemned without question, there is something rather repugnant about some of those who rush to renounce acts of terrorism," she sneered.

True, among the 61 dead were many members of a wedding party, she conceded, but some of them "were part of Jordan's upper echelons of society", and "others had flown in from America".

What's more, the "bars (were) serving alcohol", and the evil Jordanian regime "provides backing, support and intelligence to the American military".

Having proved to her satisfaction the guilt of the dead civilians, she asked: "I wonder if you see that attack on the Jordanian hotels in a different light now?"

And she concluded: "I'd rather put up with a brother like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi any day than have a traitor or a sell-out for a father, son or grandfather."

What, in Ridley's foul incantations of hatred and her defence of child-killers and wedding bombers, makes her the kind of Muslim who would "benefit the communities in which they live"?

What does it say about Mercy Mission that Ridley - and Philips - were hired as speakers to tell us "Islamic values are universal values" and we have nothing to fear?

Oh, and about that fear.

It was this same Ridley - happy to "put up with a brother" like Zarqawi, once filmed cutting off the head of American hostage Nick Berg - who last week accused Australians of being among the worst haters of Muslims.

How like her to condemn the fear her own words rightly provoke. And how disturbing that Mercy Mission holds her up as the kind of Muslim who does us good.

Or - I hesitate to ask - is this really the best our Muslim leaders can offer? Is this really their "true picture" of Islam?

I beg of them. Prove it isn't. Until you do, I'm afraid I shall take you at your grim word.

drgade answered on 04/11/07:

It would be a happy time of fellowship if the majority of Muslims around the world wouild denounce the POLITICAL RULES that they live by. Their Sharia Law is aggressive, oppressive and degrading even to their own followers.

The truth is that they CANNOT separate their political goals of world conquest from their religion. Those who are bold enough to say they denounce it are either lying or are called heretics.

I don't hate Muslims. I just have no reason to trust them because of what they teach and how the majority act or approve of those who hate us.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/11/07 - Are you seaworthy?

"For the truth is that I already know as much about my fate as I need to know. The day will come when I will die. So the only matter of consequence before me is what I will do with my allotted time. I can remain on shore, paralyzed with fear, or I can raise my sails and dip and soar in the breeze."

- Richard Bode, First you have to row a little boat

drgade answered on 04/11/07:

Most followers of God tend to be more land locked to a comfortable place by their fear to move on with God.

Deut 1:6-8

6 The LORD our God said to us at Horeb, "You have stayed long enough at this mountain. 7 Break camp and advance into the hill country of the Amorites; go to all the neighboring peoples in the Arabah, in the mountains, in the western foothills, in the Negev and along the coast, to the land of the Canaanites and to Lebanon, as far as the great river, the Euphrates. 8 See, I have given you this land. Go in and take possession of the land that the LORD swore he would give to your fathers--to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob--and to their descendants after them."
(from New International Version)

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peddler7118 asked on 04/10/07 - Will The Peaceful Majority save us from the Terrorist?


Source unknown:

I used to know a man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War Two. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since.

"Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the terrorists rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the terrorists who march. It is the terrorists who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the terrorists who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the terrorists who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the terrorists who take over mosque after mosque. It is the terroristswho zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful majority" is the "silent majority" and it is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority was irrelevant. China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:

Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

At the risk of offending someone, I sincerely think that anyone who rejects this as just another political rant, or doubts the seriousness of this issue, is part of the problem. Let's start supporting our leaders trying to save us from this madness instead of sliting our own throats. They are trying to protect the interests and well being of the US and its citizens. Best we support the military.

drgade answered on 04/10/07:

As in Germany there were many who did NOT like the Jews, Gypsys, mental patients, etc. and assisted Hitler by being passive and even supportive to his election....
so today there are many who don't like Christians and are willing to defend the evil of the current resurgence of Muslim conquest because of that "dislike".

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HANK1 asked on 04/10/07 - TRANQUILITY:



We all need tranquility in our lives. We must view this state of personal satisfaction as being an end result of the POSITIVE influences we have come by over the years. Posting negatives shouldn't be conducive to happiness. There are some postives left! One 'biggie' is our futures at ANSWERWAY. You must know, really know, what makes you content while participating as an Expert and then be able to recognize the benefits of this transition. Just accept your drives with reservation and keep all common culprits at a distance. Be a private person by keeping your desires within your realm of proportional importance. Christians are in the majority on this Board but ... where are they? This is what bothers me. Loyalty among the majority against the radicalism of its opposite is what really counts. None of us are subject to the authority of another.

Bobbye's very sincere post today prompted this message. Most of us are just fumbling with the residue of intelligence. Why do we fight and snarl amongst ourselves? THAT'S MY QUESTION!

HANK

drgade answered on 04/10/07:

I try not to "fight and snarl amongst ourselves".

James 1:19-20

19 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.
(from New International Version)

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Bobbye asked on 04/10/07 - IMUS!

After viewing myriad posts with unflattering remarks about someone or someone's wife along the lines of Imus' despicable remarks of "nappy-headed hors" (referring to the Rutgers Women's Basketball team), do you think a two-week suspension is appropriate for Imus?

WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPER DISCIPLINE FOR A PERSON OF HIS STATUE MAKING SUCH RACIST AND DEGRADING REMARKS?
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THE RESPONSE BY COACH C. VIVIAN STRINGER:

"These young ladies before you are valedictorians, future doctors, musical prodigies," coach C. Vivian Stringer told a nationally publicized news conference a day after the uproar over Imus´ comments led to a two-week suspension of his show.
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And we wonder why the world is in chaos? Look at what a T.V./radio icon is saying about such fine young ladies! DEPLORABLE!

Thanks for your comments.
Bobbye
P.S. "YES," THIS POST CONCERNS "CHRISTIANITY!" The majority of his audience is in America with many "Christian" listeners. WHY HAVEN'T THEY SPOKEN OUT AND DEMANDED A GREATER PUNISHMENT FOR HIS REMARKS?


drgade answered on 04/10/07:

He has been leaning on senile for quite some time. The Network ought to suspend itself and go off the air for two weeks just for keeping Imus's show going.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/10/07 - An opportunity to view something about Mormons and Mormonism .....


You can see a preview of a documentary coming up on PBS about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at:

http://www.pbs.org/previews/themormons/

Here is a blurb from PBS's site.

This spring, AMERICAN EXPERIENCE and FRONTLINE, two of PBS' most acclaimed series, join forces to present THE MORMONS, a new documentary series about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

In two, two-hour episodes, filmmaker Helen Whitney (who made "John Paul II: The Millennial Pope" and "Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero") explores both the history and the current reality of the Mormon faith.

Whitney gained unusual access to Mormon archives and church leaders as well as dissident exiles, historians and scholars both within and outside the faith.

"Through this film, I hope to take the viewer inside one of the most compelling and misunderstood religions of our time," says Whitney.

The two-part film airs Monday, April 30, and Tuesday, May 1, 2007, 9:00-11:00 p.m. ET on PBS

Will you watch the programme?





drgade answered on 04/10/07:

No.

I avoid all TV shows purporting to tell us about God.

It is only when a TV station puts out a disclaimer; "The following..not reflect the view of this station..." that I might watch.

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HANK1 asked on 04/10/07 - Christian Philosophy:



One cannot deny that the acceptance of our nation's Constitution and the Bill of Rights were two vigorous attempts to organize the needs of the colonials and manage their affairs at that particular time in history. Organization and stability were needed. These new instruments of progression complimented the intelligence of the people and dispelled a degree of the dissatisfactions prevalent in the colonies. Both 'attacks' against domination were untried achievements and new to human nature. But they offered imagination and gave the people of the 13 colonies hope to respect and enjoy OPTIMISM, complete with the absence of TOTALITARIANISM. Now add CHRISTIAN MORALITY to the mix and then apply ALL to what some of us are trying to accomplish at ANSWERWAY, specifically on this CHRISTIANITY BOARD. Is POLYPIETY the greatest impiety in the world? I feel that some of you are against freedom of worship!

Source: Excerpt from "Common Sense Republic" in part - My second manuscript - Chapter VII, Pg 98

HANK

drgade answered on 04/10/07:

The "time in historty" has not really changed. The need to state that each of us receive our "rights" from our creator and not from the state is still just as important.

The world, led by it prince, is still teaching that true freedom and even utopia comes when we get rid of God. That lie has seduced many nations in the past and yet it is still being taught.

Ps 2:1-3
Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth take their stand
and the rulers gather together
against the LORD
and against his Anointed One.
3 "Let us break their chains," they say,
"and throw off their fetters."
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/10/07 - ..From Killer to Pastor...

.. At the Toul Sleng Genocide Museum in Phnom Penh, one can almost hear these images crying out for justice.

No words can describe how terrified the prisoners must have been as they waited to be brought to the killing fields.

In one detention center alone about 17,000 people were brutally tortured before they were slaughtered by Khmer Rouge soldiers. Now such inhuman acts are unthinkable, but what is even worse is to hear a former Khmer Rouge soldier say that he felt no guilt at all killing even the innocent people.

“I did not feel any guilt because it was my duty to kill,” said Pastor But Gnorn, Full Gospel Christian Church. “I needed to follow instructions from my superior. I cannot remember how many people I killed. When I capture the enemy, I tie his hands on his back and then shoot him.”

Gnorn is a former Khmer Rouge soldier. A survivor of two landmine explosions, he lost sight in his left eye and almost lost a leg. He was more fortunate than the nearly two million Cambodians who died during the Khmer Rouge reign in the 70s.

In its attempt to turn Cambodia into a classless society, the communist regime overworked, starved, and executed groups of people. Most of them were academics and professionals.

When the regime was driven from power in 1979, many Khmer Rouge soldiers fled to Thailand.

And they heard the Gospel message from Christian missionaries and relief workers in the refugee camps.

It was there that Gnorn's wife - who was also a Khmer Rouge soldier -gave her life to Christ in 1987.

“I persecuted my wife and said bad words to her,” Gnorn said. “I said Jesus is not my God because he is a foreigner. One day, after my wife came home from worship, I kicked my wife and she almost died.”

But the incident did not stop Gnorn's wife from worshipping God. Her unwavering faith drove Gnorn to begin reading the Bible, starting in the book of Genesis. It took him eight years to make it to the Gospel of John.

When he read John 3:16, he realized that his participation in the genocide was a sin.

He said, “When I was a Khmer Rouge soldier, I killed but I did not know I was committing sin. But after I believed in Jesus, I knew God will forgive all the sins I commit.”

Today, Gnorn pastors a church and meets with former Khmer Rouge soldiers in the hopes of convincing them to repent of their sins and accept Christ.

So this one time laborer in the killings fields now reaps a harvest for the Kingdom of God.

“Before I was a soldier of the Khmer Rouge I always killed but now I am a soldier of God,” Gnorn said. “I will go and share Jesus Christ and make the people live like us.”

~By Lucille Talusan

drgade answered on 04/10/07:

St. Paul assisted in killing Christians before he came to know Jesus.

1 Cor 15:9-10

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
(from New International Version)

God sometimes chooses the "worst" of people in order to show how powerful His redeeming grace is.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/10/07 - Do Only Catholics go to Heaven?

The Trinity
from the Athanasian Creed ("Quicumque")
"Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith. Unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without doubt perish in eternity. But the Catholic faith is this, that we venerate one God in the Trinity, and the Trinity in oneness; neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance; for there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, (and) another of the Holy Spirit; but the divine nature of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is one, their glory is equal, their majesty is co-eternal. Of such a nature as the Father is, so is the Son, so (also) is the Holy Spirit; the Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, (and) the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is immense, the Son is immense, (and) the Holy Spirit is immense. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal , (and) the Holy Spirit is eternal: and nevertheless there are not three eternals, but one eternal. Just as there are not three uncreated beings, not three infinite beings, but one uncreated and one infinite. Similarly, the Father is omnipotent, the Son is omnipotent, (and) the Holy Spirit is omnipotent. And yet there are not three omnipotents, but one omnipotent..."
The Creed goes on and on with such very exact definitions until the last lines which are as follows:
"This is the Catholic faith; unless every one believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
The above text is taken from Denzinger , The Sources of Catholic Dogma, Imprimatur April 25, 1955. # 39.

drgade answered on 04/10/07:

This is a creed (credo="I believe": confession of faith) which was written by the early church to fight the false teachings about God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

It was not written as Roman Catholic Church doctrine but as "catholic" (universal) doctrine.
That is to say, you don't have to belong to the denomination of Roman Catholic to get to heaven. You only need to know God.

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Pete. asked on 04/10/07 - Flavius Josephus is not enough for such a "great" man.

Please give me other historical, non-biblical references to Jesus Christ. Peddeler failed, can any of you help?

Thanks

Pete

drgade answered on 04/10/07:

What non-Christians approve or disapprove about Jesus, the Christ, is a small matter. It won't convert those who deny God's right to rule and it won't affect those who know Him as their God.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/10/07 - Do Catholics believe the spirit of God was a lower animal?

Evolution at the Vatican --
Tragic and Humorous Monkey-Business
John Paul II and his followers both clerical and laymen are sinking ever deeper into the quicksand of error. The media really went berserk with joy when John Paul II made his infamous statement on evolution last October 1996. Even Protestant evangelists are taking him and the entire Novus Ordo for a grand ride of ridicule.
John Paul II is quoted as saying to a group of Vatican scientists that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis." That can mean only one thing, it is no longer a hypothesis but a reality. Mind you, evolutionism is atheism.

When the communists took over in China the first thing they taught the people was evolutionism. As long as men believe that God exists and that He made them so they can go to heaven (if they die in sanctifying grace) they will not accept atheistic communism. Once belief in evolution takes over, and men become atheistic, communism can take over.

I am indebted to DE FIDE US, 2706 So. 18th St., Omaha, NB 68108 for a series of newspaper clippings on the matter of evolution in the Novus Ordo. In December 1996, Cardinal John O'Connor of New York announced his retirement. He is 77, and his replacement is Cardinal Mandrill, presently the auxiliary cardinal of Berlin, Germany.

Cardinal O'Connor made the following almost incredible statements:

Adam and Eve may have been "some other form" than human and it is possible that the first living creature was a "lower animal."
"It is possible that when the two persons we speak of as Adam and Eve were created, it was in some other form and God breathed life into them - that's a scientific question." He continued, "Perhaps the spirit of God that breathed forth life into the Earth...was a lower animal."

This is obfuscation (confusion) to the Nth degree.

http://www.truecatholic.org/car9706.htm

drgade answered on 04/10/07:

When the word of God is not accepted as the WORD OF GOD, the teachings from it can be changed by the individual or church body(denomination).

It is only when we take God's revelation to man as God's revelation to man that unity can be found among us.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/09/07 - To whom does Hilter belong?

Adolf Hitler claimed he was Christian!

Evangelical Christian leaders supported Hitler greatly; even Baptists were split over whether Hitler was truly Born Again. Listen to Adolf's testimony:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior" - Speech, 12 April 1921

Adolf Hitler professed faith in Jesus Christ and claimed to be a Christian! He affirmed the Christian faith, never shut down a Christian church, and claimed that his actions during World War II were fully consistent with Biblical teaching and commandment.

Adolf Hitler claimed to be Christian. He regularly invoked the name of "God" and "Lord", he regularly called upon "faith in the Almighty", and he regularly stated the importance of the Christian faith as a foundation for the entire nation!

A German woman wrote a letter to a friend just weeks before Hitler's suicide in 1945. She expressed outrage because she finally believed the 'rumors', that the "SS" had been systematically murdering Jews all during the war. She said, "This is totally outrageous and must stop. Why, someone should tell Adolf"!

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior... I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Speech, 12 April 1921

"Hitler is reported to have spoken, glowingly, about raising the 'treasures of the living Christ,' the persecution of the 'true Christians and sanctimonious churches that have placed themselves between God and man and to turn away from the anti-Christian , smug individualism of the past,' and 'to educate the youth in particular in the spirit of those of Christ's words that we must interpret anew: love one another; be considerate of your fellow man; remember that each of you is not alone a creature of God, but that you are all brothers!" [Turner, "In Hitler-- Memoirs of a Confidant", Ch. 23;]

"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might ..."

"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."

"As a Christian ..."

"For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."

"The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element." ["Memoirs" Albert Speer, p. 95]

Later on this same page, Albert Speer noted that Hitler strongly believed that the Christian church was indispensable in political life.

"We don't want to educate anyone in atheism. ["Hitler's Table-Talk", p. 6]

"God is with us" - [Calic, Edouard, Ed., "Secret Conversations With Hitler," The John Day Company, p. 6:

Hitler repeated this phrase exceedingly often in his speeches, and he always drew the applause.

"We do not forget the influence of the churches"

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator" [Hitler, Mein Kampf]

"The established Methodist church paper, the Friedensglocke, vouched for the authenticity of a story about Hitler where he invited a group of deaconesses from the Bethel Institutions into his home at Obersalzberg .. The deaconesses entered the chamber and were astonished to see the pictures of Frederick the Great, Luther, and Bismarck on the wall ...

One sister could not refrain from saying: 'Herr Reichkanzler, 'from where do you get the courage to undertake the great changes in the whole Reich?' Thereupon Hitler took out of his pocket the New Testament of Dr. Martin Luther, which one could see had been used very much, and said earnestly: "From God's word." [Helmreich, Ernst Christian, "The German Churches Under Hitler," Wayne State University Press, 1979, p., p. 139]

"The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever exercised any influence upon the form of a religious service. It has not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion...." [Hitler, a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939]

"I am absolutely convinced of the great power and the deep significance of the Christian religion, and consequently will not permit any other founders of religion (Religionsstifter) ... I will protect the rights and freedom of the church and will not permit them to be touched. You need have no apprehensions concerning the freedom of the church.
[Hitler, quoted from "The German Churches Under Hitler", p.241]

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. From our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people."
[Hitler, quoted from The German Churches under Hitler, p.241]

" 'Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain'.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans."
[Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933]

"... the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion." [Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)]

"...that is why the prophet seldom has any honor in his own country." [Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf); referring to Jesus' words, John 4:44]

History records that many Evangelical, and even Baptist, preachers, teachers, and leaders went over to Hitler's "morality."

"If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation would not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God has bestowed on our people."
[Evangelical Minister Rust, in a speech to a mass meeting of German Christians on June 29, 1933 [Helmreich, Ernst Christian, "The German Churches Under Hitler," Wayne State University Press, 1979, p. 138]

"Other pastors openly welcomed the Nazi's, believing that the reintroduction of government by Christian authorities, affirmed St. Paul that 'the power that be are ordained by God'." (Romans 13:1) ["Christianity in Europe during WWII", by Jim Walker, 1 June, 2000]

"... a number of U.S. Baptists wrote sympathetically of Hitler's Germany. I came to this conclusion while writing an article on the Baptist World Alliance congress in Berlin in 1934. An immense Nazi flag, hung where the congress met, was a vivid reminder of the bloody purge executed only a few weeks before by anti-Semitic fascists.
["U.S. Baptists said surprisingly nice things about Hitler", Baptist Standard, by Professor Lloyd Allen - Church History at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky -- May 27, 2002]

"John Sampey, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, cautioned against hasty judgment of a leader (Hitler) who had stopped German women from smoking cigarettes and wearing red lipstick in public.

The Watchman-Examiner carried a letter by Boston pastor John Bradbury. Of the congress, he wrote, "It was a great relief to be in a country where salacious sex literature cannot be sold; where putrid motion pictures and gangster films cannot be shown."

Professor Allen lists some other specific reasons these Baptist leaders gave Hitler such a pass on the clear evidences of spiritual disaster:

"This focus on [Hitler's] personal piety resulted partially from a frontier religious ethic. On the American frontier, where Baptist strength arose in the Second Great Awakening, the most crucial ethical decisions were personal--alcoholism, spousal abuse and violence. Few complex social structures existed on the frontier to attract a sustained moral critique. Baptists equated eliminating the sins of the flesh with Christian living."

"Mass evangelism was a second factor in Baptist blindness to the Nazi evil. Some Baptists believed that evangelism and the world order were two circles that never intersected ... "Evangelical Christianity transcends all political and social systems," according to an Alabama Baptist article that appeared that same year. As long as governments, even fascist governments, did not interfere with soul-saving, they could be tolerated." [Ibid.]

What would Jesus say in response to this nonsensical line of argument? "Ye blind guides, filtering out a gnat, and gulping down a camel." Matt 23:24; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary]

Professor Allen explains in another article, "How Baptists Assessed Hitler, written in September, 1982:

"Surely a leader who does not smoke or drink, who wants women to be modest, and who is against pornography cannot be all bad, or so the reasoning went. As M. E. Aubrey of England observed in the Baptist Times, Hitler had “brought almost a new Puritanism, which makes its appeal to our Baptist friends, and for the sake of which they can overlook much that cuts across their natural desires.” Baptists from the United States ignored the fact that interpreters were barred from even rendering the word “democracy” in Aubrey’s speech. Priority was placed on personal habits, to the detriment of larger, more vital issues."

M.E. Aubrey admitted there was much about Hitler that was of great concern to Christians, but he smoothed that problem over by stating that Hitler's "new Puritanism" is so strong that Christians can "overlook much" about him that gives them great concern! In other words, Christians who had personally compared Hitler's spiritual fruits against Bible doctrine, and had concluded he was evil, could "overlook" their conclusions because of Hitler's supposed "new Puritanism"!

Professor Allen records for posterity that the numbers of Baptists who felt positive about Hitler was far more than a few radical fringe types:

"“Quite a number of correspondents of our Southern Baptist papers writing about the BWA seemed to have a kindly feeling and a good word for Hitler and his regime,” Wrote R. H. Pitt in "Religious Herald."

Victor I. Masters of the Western Recorder went even further, writing, “Most of the testimony we have from our brethren who went to the [1934] Baptist World Alliance in Berlin has seemed with great spontaneity and readiness to accept the opinion that all is well in Germany."

Did you catch that phrase, uttered even as Hitler was beginning to secretly murder Jews: "all is well in Germany".

Professor Allen drops a bombshell in identifying the major issue blinding Baptists to Hitler: he had them focussing on one major issue:

"A final reason for Baptist vulnerability to Hitler’s 1934 policies was a single-issue criterion for appraising foreign governments: anticommunism. In 1934, if a government was anti-Communist, it deserved recognition and support. Dr. Leek wrote:

'Our observation is, that while Hitlerism is doubtless not the ultimate end, for Germany directly or Europe indirectly, it is for Germany a safe step in the right direction. Nazism has at least been a bar to the universal boast of Bolshevism'
[Alabama Baptist XCIX 36 (September 6, 1934)]."

Another Baptist leader, Dr. Daddy, stated: "Hitler was not perfect, but at least he was anti-Communist."

Therefore, because Hitler strongly opposed Communism, as did international Baptists, it was all right to ignore all the spiritually rotten fruit coming from Hitler and his National Socialist regime!

"I do not remember even a single occasion when Hitler gave any instructions that ran counter to the true Christian spirit and to humaness.
[Wagener, quoted in "Turner, Jr., Henry Ashby, "Hitler-- Memoirs of a Confidant," Yale University Press, 1978, p.147]

Hitler wanted to combine all the regional Protestant churches into a single and united Reich Church. In 1933, a few Protestant Pastors, namely Martin Niemöller, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Karl Barth and others formed the "Pastors Emergency League" which later became known as "The Confessing Church" to oppose the state controlled Nazi Church.

"It bears some importance to understand that Germany did not recognize the Confessing Church as an official Church. Not only the Nazis, but all other Protestant Churches condemned the Confessing Church. They thought of it as a minority opposition that held little power. The vast majority of German churches supported Hitler and his policies against the Jews."
["Christianity In Europe During World War II, by John Walker June 2002].

Many Evangelical and Baptist leaders supported Hitler, especially during the early years, 1921-1939, when their determined opposition might have made a difference.

Evangelical and Baptists supported Hitler because he claimed Jesus as his Lord and Savior.


Adolph Hitler was never a Mormon. Tomsmeddlingdawg can have him back.


drgade answered on 04/09/07:

Even the devil can speak God's word. And he does this to deceive. Evidently some were , and still are, deceived by Hitler.

John 3:19-21
19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."


Matt 7:15-20
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.


Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
(all above from New International Version)

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madddawg asked on 04/09/07 - The magic cookie

Is it wrong for a Christian to worship the magic cookies that the Roman religion priests claim to change into God?

drgade answered on 04/09/07:

I hadn't heard of this "cookie".

We are not to worship anything which has been made above God nor let it interefere with our woship of God.

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madddawg asked on 04/09/07 - Pope Benedict

Does anyone know if Pope Benedict was “inspected” to avoid the embarrassment of another Pope Joan?

drgade answered on 04/09/07:

Never heard of the custom.

I didn't know that Joan became a Pope pretending to be a man.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/09/07 - Benny Hinn more off his rocker

while looking for sites on necromancy for Hank I ran across an article on Benny Hinn getting into spiritism

Hinn relates another vision he had "I saw myself walk into a room and there stood Kathryn Kuhlman. And I've not seen Kathryn in a dream or a vision [in] years. I knew she had died and it was on the news that same morning. … And there she was standing in this room… And she said, 'Follow me.' … And I followed her to a second room. In that second room stood the lord. When the lord, uh-when-when I saw the lord, Kathryn disappeared. She was just gone ... And now the lord looked at me and said, 'Follow me.' And I followed him to a third room."(Ibid.)

Hinn is so infatuated with this woman of who he models his preaching and mannerisms after that he is seeing her along with Jesus. He conducts his meetings almost exactly like hers. Why change such an effective model if it works.

Hinn is practicing and promoting spiritism at best and at worst necromancy, secret knowledge communicated by someone who has died. Direction is sought from the other side. However, the Bible reveals that the real source of the information can be demonic entities or evil spirits who impersonate the dead, not the dead themselves. Why? Because the dead are not allowed nor able to communicate with us. It doesn't matter whether we are believers or not their is no advantage.

Benny Hinn's obsessions )

drgade answered on 04/09/07:

I don't seek out or even listen to Benny Hinn, but on the other hand I don't judge Him either.

I've never met a "perfect" Christian teacher/preacher. As long as He proclaims Jesus as the Son of God come in the flesh to redeem people....I won't seek his faults and errors.

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STONY asked on 04/09/07 - I RECEIVED THIS YESTERDAY...

~He Is God~

He is the First and Last,
The Beginning and the End!

He is the keeper of Creation and the Creator of all!
He is the Architect of the universe and the Manager of all times.
He always was, He always is, and He always will be ...
unmoved, Unchanged, Undefeated, and never Undone!

He was bruised and brought healing!
He was pierced and eased pain!
He was persecuted and brought freedom!
He was dead and brought life!
He is risen and brings power!
He reigns and brings Peace!
The world can't understand him,
The armies can't defeat Him,
The schools can't explain Him, and The leaders can't ignore Him.
Herod couldn't kill Him, The Pharisees couldn't confuse Him, and The people couldn't hold Him!
Nero couldn't crush Him, Hitler couldn't silence Him,
The New Age can't replace Him, and "Oprah" can't explain Him away!

He is light, love, longevity, and Lord.
He is goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, and God.
He is Holy, Righteous, mighty, powerful, and pure.

His ways are right,
His word is eternal,
His will is unchanging, and His mind is on me.
He is my Savior,
He is my guide, and He is my peace!
He is my Joy,
He is my comfort,
He is my Lord, and He rules my life!

I serve Him because His bond is love,
His burden is light, and His goal for me is abundant life.

I follow Him because He is the wisdom of the wise,
the power of the powerful,
the ancient of days, the ruler of rulers, the leader of leaders, the overseer of the overcomers, and is to come. And if that seems impressive to you, try this for size.

His goal is a relationship with ME!
He will never leave me,
never forsake me,
never mislead me,
never forget me,
never overlook me and
never cancel my appointment in His appointment book!

When I fall, He lifts me up!
When I fail, He forgives!
When I am weak, He is strong!
When I am lost, He is the way!
When I am afraid, He is my courage!
When I stumble, He steadies me!
When I am hurt, He heals me!
When I am broken, He mends me!
When I am blind, He leads me!
When I am hungry, He feeds me!
When I face trials, He is with me!
When I face persecution, He shields me!
When I face problems, He comforts me!
When I face loss, He provides for me!
When I face Death, He carries me Home!

He is everything for everybody everywhere, every time, and every way.

He is God, He is faithful. I am His, and He is mine!

My Father in heaven can whip the father of this world.
So, if you're wondering why I feel so secure, understand this...

He said it and that settles it.
God is in control, I am on His side,
and that means all is well with my soul.


Everyday is a blessing for GOD Is

drgade answered on 04/09/07:

AMAZING confession of faith!

The fact that people all over the world ....for all of the centuries since He came into the world... AGREE AND CONFESS THESE THINGS TO BE TRUE SHOW THAT IT THE SAME HOLY SPIRIT WHO CREATES THE SAME FAITH IN EACH OF US.

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peddler7118 asked on 04/09/07 - Hope Did Jesus Christ Rise Body and Soul?

Did he conquer death? Is the blood in heaven?
Be honest I am asking if He was bodily resurrected, not just spiritually.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

drgade answered on 04/09/07:

Yes, He arose with His physical body. The disciples had a problem with believing this too. He even let Thomas put his hand in the wound on His side and the nail holes in His hand.

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HANK1 asked on 04/09/07 - Just wondering ...



Who on this Board has time to read these long, long posts and clarifications? Ridiculous!

HANK

drgade answered on 04/09/07:

I've learned to "scan" the words and find the main points at which to stop and read more carefully.

Some can be scanned....with no stopping.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/09/07 - I was wondering about this

People say that Paul was not married but I remembered hearing that he most likely was at one time because of
his being a pharisee and a requirement for being a pharisee was that you had to be married.

pharisees
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Act 23: 6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men [and] brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question

What do you think about this in relation to Corinthians where he speaks about his being single?

drgade answered on 04/09/07:

From his own words it seems most likely that he had NO NEED to be married and he wished that other men had this gift so that they could devote their full time to the kingdom of God.....instead caring for a wife.

1 Cor 7:1-7
:1 Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. 2 But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
(from New International Version)


Matt 19:10-12

10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11 Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
(from New International Version)

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madddawg asked on 04/08/07 - Pope John Paul is almost a saint. Toms777 is already a saint!!!

John Paul Sainthood Push Moving Ahead, April 1st, 2007, Las Vegas Sun, Nicole Winfield
Catholic Church officials reach a key milestone in the drive to make Pope John Paul II a saint Monday, closing an investigation into his life and handing over a dossier detailing the purported miraculous cure of a nun who prayed to him.
The events come two years to the day after John Paul died - a remarkably fast pace that underscores the church's keen interest in beatifying John Paul and responding to the calls of "Santo Subito" or "Sainthood Immediately!" that erupted after his death.

I understand that some like Saint Thomas have already attained sainthood. I was wondering if they could shed some light upon how one becomes a saint?

drgade answered on 04/08/07:

The Word of God uses the word "saint" to describe those who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

The word is "hagios" and also means "holy". When referring to people it is translated "saint". The first incidence of this is:

Matt 27:50-52

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the SAINTS which slept arose,
KJV(emphasis mine)

In most of the letters/espistles of the writers those receiving the letters are addressed as "saints".

The Roman Catholic Church uses the term "saint" in a parochial way unique to them. The history of this tradition is in the past concept that people are saved by good works along with the work of Christ. Some very "good" Christians were seen as having works of "super-erogation"...works beyond those necessary to be saved.
These people were designated "saints" and they were held in higher esteem than other Christians.

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Rosekeeper asked on 04/06/07 - Who is the word?

Hello Experts
Now that I have left the NWT, and went back to read the King James Version, I am still at lost, of who God is?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(Correct me Please, if I am wrong?) Is this Scripture saying, that Jesus Christ, is God, or simply a god, the way I was taught, when I was younger?
Thank you all.

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

There are so many places in the Bible which portray Jesus as God.

How this can be when God is one, is beyond human comprehension because we have absolutely nothing with which to compare the unity and our minds cannot encompass it (any more than we can truely accept the being of God).

I find that the description of the Messiah given in the Old Testament to be helpful because the names given to Him include His being "God", "the Father", and "the comforter" (the designation given to the Holy Spirit in the NT).

Isa 9:6-7
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David's throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the LORD Almighty
will accomplish this.
(from New International Version)


To be our redeemer, the savior needed to be perfect in his own righteousness. This could only be one from heaven/God.

1 Cor 15:20-25

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
(from New International Version)



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Bobbye asked on 04/07/07 - THE CRUCIFIXION; GOOD FRIDAY; MARY; KINSMAN (Go'el) REDEEMER

(1) Does the "Kinsman-Redeemer (Go'el) Principle," as demonstrated in the Book of Ruth, apply to Jesus' leaving Mary in the care of John The Apostle (first cousin to Jesus: his mother Salome was a sister to Mary, the Mother of Jesus)?

(2) Does Jesus' leaving Mary in the care of John (who was yet a young, young man by the standards of the day) prove that Mary bore no other children?

(3) Would Jesus have left Mary in John's care (and it is believed that she lived out her life in Ephesus with the elder John. Ephesus was the church/group who put John on the Isle of Patmos) if there were other "blood" siblings?

I'm well versed in the Scriptures that refer to Jesus' brethren and sisters. However, the Kinsman-Redeemer Principle continued in effect in N.T. times, as the Jewish nation, as a whole, did not come under "grace" in N.t. times. Also, just as we refer to our brothers and sisters in Christ as "Brother" or "Sister," so it was in N.T. times. Nephews (Lot, for example was called a "brother" to Abraham); cousins, etc., were referred to as "brothers."

Thanks,
Bobbye
P.S. "Kinsman-Redeemer Principle:"

THE KINSMAN-REDEEMER WAS "THE DEFENDER OF FAMILY RIGHTS." This individual was a close relative who had financial resources to rescue a poverty-stricken family member, stepping in to save that relative from slavery or from having to sell the family's ancestral land.

In the story of Ruth, Boaz redeemed the land that Naomi was about to sell. He also took on another of the Kinsman-Redeemer's responsibilities; i.e., "the obligation to provide an heir for Ruth's deceased husband, Mahlon." THIS WAS CALLED A "LEVIRATE MARRIAGE."

THE KINSMAN-REDEEMER (Go'el):
(1) Must be nearest of kin: Leviticus 25:48

(2) Must be able to redeem (Ruth 4:4-6). He must be free of any calamity or need of redemption himself.

(3) Must be willing to redeem.Ruth 4:6

(4) Redemption completed when the price was paid. Leviticus 25:27; Ruth 4:7-11

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

The only principals are the one principal, LOVE..... and the obedience caused by faith in Jesus Christ.

When particular acts of love shown by followers of God become man-defined principals, they lose the freedom given to us through the Holy Spirit.

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STONY asked on 04/07/07 - CAN ANYONE ANSWER MY ? IN MANAGEMENT..

NOBODY HAS VISITED THERE IN SO LONG THERE IS DUST ON THE FLOOR?

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

I can't answer that.

But is this situation good or bad?

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peddler7118 asked on 04/07/07 - New Poll

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 2:04 p.m. CT March 31, 2007
March 30, 2007 - A belief in God and an identification with an organized religion are widespread throughout the country, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Nine in 10 (91 percent) of American adults say they believe in God and almost as many (87 percent) say they identify with a specific religion. Christians far outnumber members of any other faith in the country, with 82 percent of the poll’s respondents identifying themselves as such. Another 5 percent say they follow a non-Christian faith, such as Judaism or Islam. Nearly half (48 percent) of the public rejects the scientific theory of evolution; one-third (34 percent) of college graduates say they accept the Biblical account of creation as fact. Seventy-three percent of Evangelical Protestants say they believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years; 39 percent of non-Evangelical Protestants and 41 percent of Catholics agree with that view.
Although one in ten (10 percent) of Americans identify themselves as having "no religion," only six percent said they don’t believe in a God at all. Just 3 percent of the public self-identifies as atheist, suggesting that the term may carry some stigma. Still, the poll suggests that the public’s tolerance of this small minority has increased in recent years. Nearly half (47 percent) of the respondents felt the country is more accepting of atheists today that it used to be and slightly more (49 percent) reported personally knowing an atheist. Those numbers are higher among respondents under 30 years old, 62 percent of whom report knowing an atheist (compared to just 43 percent of those 50 and older). Sixty-one percent of the under-30 cohort view society as more accepting of atheists (compared to 40 percent of the Americans 50 and older).

Poll

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

The devil could answer "yes" with the 91%. He certainly believes in the fact of Jesus ...and he has his own religion, over which he presides.

But when the question comes down to how many "trust" Jesus enough to follow and obey Him..... the true answers would change the poll results.

Matt 7:21-23

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
(from New International Version)

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madddawg asked on 04/07/07 - Jehovah Witness flip flop

Can anyone explain why the Russelites changed the highlighted statements listed below?

** Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1908) p.228 ***
That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished. With these two thought in mind, we can approximate the time of the deliverance.

** Thy Kingdom Come (Studies in the Scriptures Vol.3) (1937) p.228 ***
That the deliverance of the saints will take place some time after 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place thereafter, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished. With these two thought in mind, we can approximate the time of the deliverance.

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

They simply did not believe the words of Jesus:

Matt 24:35-41
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
(from New International Version)

They wished to have knowledge of when that day would come:

1 Cor 8:1-3
We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2 The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3 But the man who loves God is known by God.
(from New International Version)

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peddler7118 asked on 04/07/07 - Is Pelosi Is Our Neville Chamberlain ?


By Ronald Kessler
With her trip to Syria, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi achieved two things: She undercut her own credibility in Washington, and she spotlighted what is wrong with the Democrats' approach to national security.
The spectacle of Pelosi making nice with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus and accepting at face value his claim that he is ready to "resume the peace process" with Israel had a large portion of official Washington tittering.
At the same time, Syrian authorities were telling the local press that there had been no change in its position. And Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar al-Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel."
Pelosi's Charade
Moreover, Pelosi misrepresented Israel's position to Assad, announcing that she had delivered a message from Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. Olmert quickly issued a statement denying that.
Even the Washington Post saw through the charade.
"Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position, but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda," an editorial in the paper said. The editorial added that "Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish."
While that is certainly true, the specter of Pelosi naively chatting with Assad and announcing that she had helped achieve a diplomatic breakthrough also highlights all that is wrong with the Democrats' approach to foreign police today.
Syria hosts the exiled leadership of Hamas, as well as other Palestinian radical groups, and is a major supplier of funds to Hezbollah. Syria is also believed to be involved in the assassination of Lebanese political figures and allowing its territory to be used by jihadists fighting against the United States-led coalition and the coalition-backed government in Iraq.
History Repeats
Pelosi's willingness to undercut the president and accept the word of the chief of state of a sponsor of terrorism is on a par with the Democrats' effort to set a timetable for fighting the war in Iraq. It brings to mind the efforts of Joseph P. Kennedy, the founder of the Kennedy dynasty, to appease Adolf Hitler.
As ambassador to the Court of St. James, Joe Kennedy met on June 13, 1938 with Herbert von Dirksen, the German ambassador. The two got along famously, and Dirksen later reported on the conversation in great detail to Baron Ernst von Weizsäcker, the German state secretary.
According to that report, Kennedy confided to the German ambassador that Neville Chamberlain, the British prime minister, was anxious to have some sort of settlement with Germany. By saying this, he undercut Great Britain's negotiating position with Hitler. Moreover, Kennedy said President Roosevelt was not anti-German and wanted friendly relations with Hitler. However, no European leader spoke well of the Germans because most of them were "afraid of the Jews" and did not "dare to say anything good about Germany . . ." Kennedy stated.
Even as the two met at the German embassy in London, Hitler was planning to gobble up most of Europe and exterminate the Jews. The following year, World War II began after Hitler invaded Poland.
"Speaker Pelosi is the Neville Chamberlain of our time," said Brad Blakeman, a Republican strategist who was an aide in the Bush White House. "Cowering to and appeasing the dictator of a terrorist state was a disgrace to the high office she holds. The Sryians used this visit to validate their bad behavior by propagandizing the whole visit and her anti-war stance."
The Pelosi visit underscores that, when it comes to dealing with our enemies, the Democrats live in a dream world. Yet when another terrorist attack occurs in the U.S., they will be the first to say President Bush did not do enough to protect the country.

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drgade answered on 04/07/07:

Seems like she is another "peace pigeon" who is willing to compromise anything in order to keep a peace which does not even exist. There are many self-decieved people like her.

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HANK1 asked on 04/07/07 - Just Wondering ...


if we are punished for our parents' sins?

HANK

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

Not by God. We may affected by their lives of sin and be decieved enough to cause us to follow their sin. But the end consequence of an individual's sin belongs to each person.

Jer 31:28-30
declares the LORD. 29 "In those days people will no longer say,

'The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge.'

30 Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge.
(from New International Version)

When God gave the Commandments, He was speaking of those families bound by the worship of idols.
He even chose Abram to be the father of His people even though Terah is believed to be a worshipper of the Chaldean gods.

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Toms777 asked on 04/07/07 - Evolution - A "Just-so" Story?

Rudyard Kipling asked how the leopard got its spots, the rhino its wrinkled skin. He called his answers "just-so stories." When evolutionists try to explain form and behavior, they also tell just-so stories—and the agent is natural selection. Virtuosity in invention replaces testability as the criterion for acceptance.

(Gould, S.J. (1980) "Sociobiology and the Theory of Natural Selection" in SOCIOBIOLOGY: BEYOND NATURE/NURTURE?, G.W. Barlow and J. Silverberg eds., Westview Press Inc., Boulder, Colorado pp. 257-269. Reprinted in PHILOSOPHY OF BIOLOGY, M. Ruse ed., Macmillan Publishing Co., New York, pp. 253-263.)

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

Those of the Evolutionary Faith still deny that what they teach is only their interpretationssssss of what might be true based on their premise that there is no God.

The goal of their leader is always the same since the beginning: to cause doubt in the truth. ("Did God REALLY say?")

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jjgoss asked on 04/07/07 - ..What you should know about angels...

..Angels are very active in the Bible and are used by God as messengers, warriors, and servants. The word "angel" comes from the Greek word "angelos" which means messenger. Angels are spiritual beings without bodies of flesh and bones, though they apparently have the ability to appear in human form (Gen. 19:1-22). Angels had many functions. They praised God (Psalm 103:20), served as messengers to the world (Luke 1:11-20, 26-38; Luke 2:9-14), watched over God’s people (Psalm 91:11-12), and were sometimes instruments of God’s judgment (Matt. 13:49-50).

The Bible tells us that God created the angels and that at some time in the distant past there was a rebellion in heaven and many of the angels fell. Apparently, it was the elect angels that did not fall (1 Tim. 5:21). The Bible says that angels were created by Christ (Col. 1:16), that they carry out the will of God (Psalm 103:20; Matt. 6:10), they worship God and Christ (Phil. 2:9-11; Heb. 1:6), are wise (2 Sam. 14:20), mighty (Psalm 103:20), holy (Matt. 25:31), and innumerable, (Heb. 12:22). However, angels are not to be worshipped (Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10; 22:9) since they are creatures.

..Are there different kinds of angels?

Apparently, there are different kinds of angels with different characteristics and roles: cherubim, seraphim, and archangels. It may also be that there are "powers" and "principalities" that further describe ranks in the angelic realm, but it is debated. Nevertheless, I'll focus on the three main groups.

I. "Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew" (Isaiah 6:2).
1. They praise God (Isaiah 6:3).
2. The word "seraphim" (singular is seraph) probably a translation of ‘fiery ones’ and probably stems from the fiery imagery often associated with the Presence of God (cf. Ezek. 1:27).

II. "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life" (Gen. 3:24). See also Exodus 25:18-22; Heb. 9:5.

1. Cherubim are typically represented with wings, feet, and hands, but are described in different forms as having two faces (Ezek. 41:18) and even four faces (Ezek. 10:21).

2. Cherubim were considered to be angels that guarded sacred things. In Gen. 3:24 they guarded the tree of life. They were over the Ark of the Covenant on the Mercy Seat (1 Sam. 4:4). See also Psalm 80:1; 99:1

3. Figures of Cherubs were embroidered on the temple veil (Exodus 26:31; 2 Chron. 3:7) and lavished Solomon's temple (1 Kings 6:26ff).

III. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" (1 Thess. 4:16).

1. The word "archangel" is not found in the Old Testament. References to Michael archangel appear only in 1 Thess. 4:16 and Jude 9. However, Gabriel, who is considered an archangel appears in both the OT and NT. In the OT he is found in Dan. 8:15-26 and 9:21-27. In the NT he is mentioned in Luke 1:11-20, 26-38. He seems to be a messenger angel.

2. On the other hand, Michael the archangel seems to be a warrior angel (Rev. 12:7) who does battle (Dan. 10:13, 21; 12:1 ).

3. An interesting note is that in Rom. 8:38, Eph. 1:21, and Col. 1:16, the word ‘principalities’ is used. In Greek the word has the prefix of "arche" suggesting archangel. Some think this means there is a hierarchy of angels as is suggested in 1 Pet. 3:22: "who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him."...

~Christian Apologetics

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

That's a very good explanation of what we know about angels!

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jjgoss asked on 04/07/07 - ..The original sin..

..Original sin is known in two senses: the Fall of Adam as the "original" sin and the hereditary fallen nature and moral corruption that is passed down from Adam to his descendents. It is called "original" in that Adam, the first man, is the one who sinned and thus caused sin to enter the world. Even though Eve is the one who sinned first, because Adam is the Federal Head (representative of mankind), his fall included or represented all of humanity. Therefore, some hold that original sin includes the falling of all humanity. Some see original sin as Adam's fallen nature is passed to his descendents. "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned," (Rom. 5:12).

Original sin is not a physical corruption, but a moral and spiritual corruption. It could be compared to the Reformed Doctrine of Total Depravity which states that sin has touched all parts of what a person is: heart, mind, soul, will, thoughts, desires, etc.

There has been much debate over the nature of the sin of Adam and how it effected mankind. Pelagius taught that Adam's sin influenced the human race only as a bad example and that all people are born in the same state as Adam was before his fall. Augustine taught that men inherit natural corruption from Adam.

At the return of Christ and the resurrection of all Christians, the sin nature will be done away with...


~Christian Apologetics

drgade answered on 04/07/07:

This is the statement of beliefs by the reformers, with Luther, who wrote this brief explanation in the Augsburg Confession of 1530 A.D.

"Article II: Of Original Sin.

1] Also they teach that since the fall of Adam all men begotten in the natural way are born with sin, that is, without the fear of God, without trust in God, and with 2] concupiscence; and that this disease, or vice of origin, is truly sin, even now condemning and bringing eternal death upon those not born again through Baptism and the Holy Ghost.

3] They condemn the Pelagians and others who deny that original depravity is sin, and who, to obscure the glory of Christ's merit and benefits, argue that man can be justified before God by his own strength and reason."


A much more extensive explanation of our beliefs is recorded in the "Apology of the Augsburg Confession".

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madddawg asked on 04/06/07 - God of Kolob

Is the God that was born on a planet near Kolob the same as the God of the Bible?

The false gods of Kolob are described in this famous hymn.

If you could hie to Kolob.
If you could hie to Kolob in the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward with the speed of light to fly,
D’ye think that you could ever, through all eternity,
Find out the generation where Gods began to be?

Or see the grand beginning, where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation where Gods and matter end?
Methinks the Spirit whispers, “No man had found pure space,”
Nor seen the outside curtains, where nothing has a place.

The works of God continue, and the worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter; there is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit; there is no end to race.

But the God of the Bible is described as everlasting.
Psalm 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.


drgade answered on 04/06/07:

The description of the god of Kolob in the hymn is not that of the God of Abraham.

God is eternal. Matter had a beginning and will have an end.

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/06/07 - INTERESTING
on genetics and tempers


would God hold them accountable for rages they could not control?

the McCoys
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Disease underlies Hatfield-McCoy feud

The most infamous feud in American folklore, the long-running battle between the Hatfields and McCoys, may be partly explained by a rare, inherited disease that can lead to hair-trigger rage and violent outbursts.
Dozens of McCoy descendants apparently have the disease, which causes high blood pressure, racing hearts, severe headaches and too much adrenaline and other "fight or flight" stress hormones.
No one blames the whole feud on this, but doctors say it could help explain some of the clan's notorious behavior.
Several genetic experts have known about the disease plaguing some of the McCoys for decades, but kept it secret. The Associated Press learned of it after several family members revealed their history to Vanderbilt doctors, who are trying to find more McCoy relatives to warn them of the risk.

Still, many are dubious that this condition had much of a role in the bitter feud with the Hatfields, which played out in the hill country of eastern Kentucky and West Virginia for decades.

Some say the feud dates to Civil War days, when some members of the families took opposite sides. It grew into disputes over timber rights and land in the 1870s, and gained more notoriety in 1878, when Randolph or "Old Randal" McCoy accused a Hatfield of stealing one of his pigs. The hostilities left at least a dozen dead.

"The McCoy temperament is legendary. Whether or not we can blame it on genes, I don't know," said Ron McCoy, 43, of Durham, N.C., one of the organizers of the annual Hatfield-McCoy reunion. "There are a lot of underpinnings that are probably a more legitimate source of conflict."

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

God expects "self control".

If they are seeking God as their Lord and find that they don't have the power of self control, they are told to ask God who DOES EMPOWER people in obedience to Him.

"Rages" are not genetic.
"Sin" IS genetic...inherited from Adam.

1 Cor 15:45-50
45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
(from New International Version)

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CeeBee2 asked on 04/06/07 - What should he do, part 2. The resolution.

MaryLou and her husband met with her counselor who served as an unbiased soundingboard. (ML takes meds and is seeing a counselor because of chronic clinical depression. The counselor helps ML set goals and meet those goals.)

The husband agreed to put aside the immediate family celebration of holidays and substitute them with regularly-scheduled volunteering that will benefit others. The entire family visits weekly an area nursing home and also an animal shelter. They sit with nursing home residents and do jigsaw puzzles or play bingo, and at the shelter groom the animals and walk the dogs.

Since she is the only JW in the family, ML compromised by saying the grandparents could still send birthday and Christmas gifts to the children. A small live Christmas tree is set up in her family room, she and her husband and the two children have fun researching for and then making all the decorations (popcorn strings, construction paper ornaments, etc.). When Christmas is over, the tree is set up in the large back yard and is decorated and surrounded with animal/bird--friendly treats that have been made by the entire family. It gives them much pleasure to watch from the window and see the birds and small wild animals nibble on the treats.

With compromise and by reaching out to others, ML and her husband have been able to reframe a potentially tough situation fraught with anger and unhappiness.

(And yes, this is a true story. Only the woman's name has been changed.)

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

It is good when those seeking God can give some leeway in their different traditions.

Ps 133

How good and pleasant it is
when brothers live together in unity!
2 It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron's beard,
down upon the collar of his robes.
3 It is as if the dew of Hermon
were falling on Mount Zion.
For there the LORD bestows his blessing,
even life forevermore.
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/06/07 - ..Has anyone seen God or not?..

..Has seen

1.(Gen. 17:1) – “Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty ; Walk before Me, and be blameless;


2. (Gen. 18:1) Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”


3. (Exodus 6:2-3) – “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty , but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”


4. (Exodus 24:9-11) – “Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”


5. (Num. 12:6-8) – “He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision . I shall speak with him in a dream. 7"Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?"


6. (Acts 7:2), "And he [Stephen] said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran. . . "


..Has not seen


1. (Exodus 33:20) – “But He [God] said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live !"


2. (John 1:18) – “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”


3. (John 5:37) – “"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.”


4. (John 6:46) - "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”


5. (1 Tim. 6:15-16) – “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion ! Amen.”


It is evident above that God was seen. But, considering the "can't-see-God" verses, some would understandably argue that there would be a contradiction. Once explanation offered is that the people were seeing visions, or dreams, or the Angel of the LORD (Num. 22:22-26; Judges 13:1-21) and not really God Himself. But the problem is that the verses cited above do not say vision, dream, or Angel of the LORD. They say that people saw God (Exodus 24:9-11), that God was seen, and that He appeared as God Almighty (Exodus 6:2-3).
At first, this is difficult to understand. God Almighty was seen (Exodus 6:2-3) which means it was not the Angel of the Lord, for an angel is not God Almighty, and at least Moses saw God, not in a vision or dream, as the LORD Himself attests in Num. 12:6-8. If these verses mean what they say, then we naturally assume we have a contradiction. Actually, the contradiction exists in our understanding, not in the Bible--which is always the case with alleged biblical contradictions.
The solution is simple. All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the people of the OT were seeing God, the Almighty God, and Jesus said that no one has ever seen the Father (John 6:46), then they were seeing God Almighty, but not the Father. It was someone else in the Godhead. I suggest that they were seeing the Word before He became incarnate. In other words, they were seeing Jesus.
If God is a Trinity, then John 1:18 is not a problem either because in John chapter one, John writes about the Word (Jesus) and God (the Father). In verse 14 it says the Word became flesh. In verse 18 it says no one has seen God. Since Jesus is the Word, God then, refers to the Father. This is typically how John writes of God: as a reference to the Father. We see this verified in Jesus own words in John 6:46 where He said that no one has ever seen the Father. Therefore, Almighty God was seen, but not the Father. It was Jesus before His incarnation. There is more than one person in the Godhead and the doctrine of the Trinity must be true.....

~Christian Apologetics

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

A good an explanation as we can put forth. But we don't really know FOR SURE what "seeing God" in His purely spriritual form is all about.

That Moses had to wear a veil after speaking with God and that the people could not even look at Moses' face when he came down from the mountain indicates that it has something to do with His shekana glory and radience being too much for our fleshly eyes to see.

A couple of other passages:

Judg 6:21-23
22 When Gideon realized that it was the angel of the LORD, he exclaimed, "Ah, Sovereign LORD! I have seen the angel of the LORD face to face!"

23 But the LORD said to him, "Peace! Do not be afraid. You are not going to die."
(from New International Version)


Ex 33:19-23

19 And the LORD said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

21 Then the LORD said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen."
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/06/07 - ..Pilgrims mark Good Friday in Jerusalem..

..JERUSALEM (AP) - Christian pilgrims from around the world filled the narrow cobblestone streets of Jerusalem's Old City on Good Friday, some carrying large wooden crosses as they followed the route Jesus took on the way to his crucifixion.

Pilgrims from the United States, India, South Korea, the Philippines, Russia and other countries retraced Jesus' walk as he carried his cross through Jerusalem on the day of his death. Many held candles and sang hymns in languages including English, Latin and Hindi.

"I can imagine Jesus walking here with the cross," said Alex Kim, 18, of Seoul, South Korea.

Dragan Petrodic, wearing a Serbian flag on his shoulder, said, "I'm here to see and kiss all the places where God has been."

Nearby, an Arab vendor shouting in Russian hawked small crosses for $10 apiece.

One group, from California and South Korea, re-enacted Jesus' last hours before his crucifixion. A South Korean pilgrim played the role of Jesus, covered with blood, wearing a crown of thorns and burdened by a cross. He was escorted by others dressed as Roman centurions.

"The Lord moves us to come here," said one of the centurions, Bob Payton of Orange County, California, who added that this was his third Good Friday visit.

Clergymen in colorful robes, representing different Catholic and Orthodox denominations, filed early Friday into the ancient Church of the Holy Sepulcher, where many believe Jesus was crucified, died and was buried. In an annual tradition, the church's doors were unlocked by a member of the Muslim family that has held the key for centuries.

Inside the church, pilgrims pressed their heads to the long, smooth stone where the faithful believe Jesus' body was washed after being removed from the cross.

The calendars of five major Christian sects coincide this year, a convergence that happens only once every four years, and crowds were expected to be larger than usual.

Hundreds of police were deployed around the Old City to maintain order, said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld.

There are 14 stations along the route, known as the Via Dolorosa, or Way of Sorrows, each marking an event that befell Jesus on his final walk. The final five stations are inside the church.

The proprietor of a pizzeria near the Via Dolorosa's fourth station, giving his name only as Nasser, said he remembered bigger crowds before Israeli-Palestinian violence erupted in 2000. While Asian and African pilgrims were well-represented, he said, western Europeans had yet to return in large numbers.

"Many tourists are still scared. They're still keeping away," he said......

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

Since many pilgrims become pilgrims for the emotion they feel in their "sacrifice" of going, it must have added to those feelings knowing that where they were was really DANGEROUS.

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CeeBee2 asked on 04/06/07 - Preimplantation genetic manipulation.

I just finished a novel in which Anna was conceived as a perfect blood, bone marrow, and organ match for her older sister Kate who has leukemia and whose only chance at life seems to be what Anna can provide from her own body.

Up until now, their parents have given doctors permission for Anna to donate blood (platelets) and bone marrow to Kate. Anna is 13, and Kate needs a kidney transplant - or she will die.

Anna loves her sister but has begun to resent the obligation of "being always on call". She wonders if giving up a kidney is the best thing for her own future. Do the parents have the right to insist on Anna's cooperation? Dare Anna say no, with the result that her sister will die (and possibly will anyway, even WITH the kidney)?

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

Not only does it sound like humanistic science fiction(goals for the future) but also like Hitler's Master Race plan where some are sacrificed "for the good" of societies preferred ones.

Somehow these plans never take into account the willingness(or lack of being willing) of the one being sacrificed.

Jesus didn't "enjoy" what He faced and did, but He was still WILLING.

John 12:27-33

27 "Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name!"

Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, "This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.
(from New International Version)

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revdauphinee asked on 04/06/07 - for domino

for your i formation I hate no one I will however admit my hatred for a doctrine that enslaved its believers and demeans its women May i recomennd you get and read a book writen by a mulsim woman who I admire abouve anyone!It is called "the trouble with Islam today"by Irshad Manji>this is one woman i holsd in such high esteem for her courage in writing the truth about islam You politiacu correct folk who hide your heads in the sand can call me whatever you like it bothers me not one iota i will neot sit by and quietly se the country i have grown to love destroyed by appeasement of an open enemy .

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

I agree with your view.

Since Muslim religious law and its secular laws CANNOT be separated without them committing heresy of their own teachings, we dare not try to make their culture like Christians who are faithful to Christ. We recognize that we live in two separate kingdoms and are to be faithful citizens of each....supporting God's kingdom and seeking what is beneficial to the citizens of the earthly kingdom.

Opposing the teaching of Muslim Sharia Law protects not only women but also the freedom of all to worship the God they choose.

We recognize that God's kingdom rules over all kingdoms, but that God has commanded us to be subject to the governing authorities because He gave them the right to "bear the sword" to restrain evil doers.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/06/07 - Who are these that sit on thrones in heaven?


And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

These are the ones who suffered for Christ, the faithful who did not accept the mark of the beast in the time of tribulation.

It sounds like a great honor. Yet all of those who are redeemed in Christ are told that we will judge in heaven....and so are not to go to worldly judges against one another even while on earth.

1 Cor 6:2-6
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church! 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6 But instead, one brother goes to law against another-and this in front of unbelievers!
(from New International Version)

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HANK1 asked on 04/06/07 - GOOD FRIDAY:

"Calling the day of the Crucifixion ‘Good’ Friday is a designation that is peculiar to the English language. In German, for example, it is called Karfreitag. The Kar part is an obsolete word, the ancestor of the English word care in the sense of cares and woes, and it meant mourning. So in German, it is Mourning Friday. And that is what the disciples did on that day—they mourned. They thought all was lost.

I’ve read that the word good used to have a secondary meaning of holy, but I can’t trace that back in my etymological dictionary. There are a number of cases in set phrases where the words God and good got switched around because of their similarity. One case was the phrase God be with you, which today is just good-bye. So perhaps Good Friday was originally God’s Friday. But I think we call it Good Friday because, in pious retrospect, all that tragedy brought about the greatest good there could be.

I can see virtue in either terminology. If we call it Mourning Friday, as in German, we are facing reality head on, taking up the cross if you will, fully conscious that the Christian walk is seldom a walk in the park. But if we call it Good Friday, as in English, we are confessing the Christian hope that no tragedy—not even death—can overwhelm God’s providence, love, and grace. Either way seems fine to me!"

Source: Ken Collins' Web site (Good a source as any!)

Since I'm a German REALIST who considers himself to be a Christian, I prefer both! Which do you prefer? (All Muslims who answer will receive a black star)

HANK


drgade answered on 04/06/07:

First, as to "good" and "holy":

"Holy" is used in the Bible (usus loquendi) to mean "of God" or or our being "separated from the world to God".....dedicated, consescrated, etc.
In the OT "kawdash". First usage "made the seventh day holy".

The spiritual connection is that when God created the world, it was declared "good". It was totally of God, it was His, and therefore was "holy".

Secondly, Good Friday is "good" in that the plan to redeem people, make them holy by the blood of Christ, was completed as Jesus took the punishment for our sins on Himself and declared of God's work "It is FINISHED".

So, Jesus, even according to His human nature, fulfilled the Law perfectly and completely...as He intended when He took on our flesh.

And it is certainly "good" for us! Our salvation is sure in Christ, Jesus.

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belle33 asked on 04/06/07 - What happened

to our non-insult day? I knowed it! I just knowed it!

drgade answered on 04/06/07:

Really, I kept it!

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peddler7118 asked on 04/05/07 - Domino slips up!!

C'mon Sapph:
You offer two pieces of hysterical black fundamentalist Christian pro-life propaganda, with not only misquotes, but actual LIES, and expect anyone to take them seriously????

Type in 'Margaret Sanger Quotes' and find out what she REALLY said!!!!


I have always said that if you support evolution beine taught as fact the blood of the innoccents is on your hands. He swears and his little groupies support him saying he is very much pro-life.

As anyone can see he is anti-life in the most hateful way possible. No one was more responsible for the milliond of baby murderes than the atheist Sanger.

BTW he also admits the racism that he tries to accuse everyone else of.

Domino
I googled Margaret Sanger Quotes and here is the result,enjoy the show!

Sanger SlideShow

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

She does push a Master Race. Hers is formed by selective abortion of the "unwanted".

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revdauphinee asked on 04/05/07 - beneath the veil

An anonymous woman, covered from head to toe in a blue burka, is dragged across a football pitch and shot in front of 30,000 spectators. This haunting image of Taliban justice was filmed secretly in Channel 4's award-winning documentary Beneath the Veil broadcast in June 2001. The woman was Zarmina, 35-year-old mother of seven. In a new Dispatches film, Lifting the Veil, Carla Garapedian went to Afghanistan to discover her story and see whether women's lives have improved since the fall of the Taliban.
After a secret trial, Zarmina was jailed with her six-month-old twins. They were confined to one room for three years. She confessed that her husband, Alozai, had discovered she had committed adultery saying: 'He said, "Tomorrow I will go to the Taliban and they will stone you to death." That night I was afraid. I hit him over the head with a mallet.'
Money could have saved Zarmina's life. The final Supreme Court ruling stated that her life would have been spared if she paid 10,000 dirhams ($8,000 dollars) to her seven children for the loss of their father. But she had no money.
Under Taliban law, Zarmina was judged by her own children. Children often participated in Taliban justice and witnessed executions. Alozai's brother brought the couple's children to court. Zarmina's mother says: 'They were always beating the children to say their mother had killed.'
Her children denounced her and, though Zarmina confided to prison guards that her daughter had killed her husband and that she had taken the blame, she did not tell this to the court. And now she faced a new charge: prostitution.
The police produced a report on Zarmina from five years earlier, during the civil war. She had crossed the front lines to get food and been raped by Afghan soldiers, she said. The court concluded, in Zarmina's absence, that she was an 'immoral who-e' who had murdered her husband. She must die.
With the help of courageous relatives, and wearing burkas to avoid arousing suspicion, the Dispatches team travels around the war torn country and finds Zarmina's children: Bibi, 10; Jawad and Silsula, the twins, aged 5; Hiwad, 13 and Milad, 11. Najiba was married off by her uncle when she was 15. He received $3,500 dollars for her – a sum it would have taken him five years to earn. Najiba courageously gives the filmmakers her version of the events of the night her father was murdered.
Finally, there is Baseera, sold into marriage before Zarmina's execution. She supports her mother's story, describing her father's brutality and his threats when told that his wife had committed adultery: 'Before my father could do anything, my mother killed him.'
Programme summary by Danny Lee
http://www.channel4.com/l...

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

The Taliban does keep the Muslim law to the letter. And their goal is to enforce these laws in every nation where they have control.

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jjgoss asked on 04/05/07 - ...Crazy doctors!!!....

..(AP) - An Air Force veteran has filed a federal claim after an operation at a Veterans Administration hospital in which a healthy testicle was removed instead of a potentially cancerous one.

Benjamin Houghton, 47, was to have had his left testicle removed June 14 at the West Los Angeles VA Medical Center because there was a chance it could harbor cancer cells. It also was atrophied and painful.

But doctors mistakenly removed the right testicle, according to medical records and the claim, which seeks $200,000 for future care and unspecified damages. He still hasn't had the other testicle removed.

"At first I thought it was a joke," Houghton told the Los Angeles Times. "Then I was shocked. I told them, 'What do I do now?'"

Houghton, his wife, Monica, and their attorney, Dr. Susan Friery, said they hoped to get the VA's attention by going public with the situation.

Dr. Dean Norman, chief of staff for the Greater Los Angeles VA system, has formally apologized to Houghton and his wife.

"We are making every attempt that we can to care for Mr. Houghton, but it's in litigation, and that's all we can tell you," he said. The hospital changed practices as a result of the case, he added....


...Would you forgive the doctors if you were Benjamin Houghton???.......

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Maybe personaly forgive. But I would still consider suing them.

I thought the common procedure was to mark parts to be operated on with "magic marker" designating which one was to worked on and which to be left alone.

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jjgoss asked on 04/05/07 - ..Do you think it's too harsh???....

..(AP) - A high school senior acknowledges he went too far when he mooned a teacher. But he thinks the decision of school officials to send him to a new school for the rest of the year was too harsh, so his family is suing.

Tyler Tillung, 18, mooned a teacher "suddenly and without thinking about the consequences" in February, according to the lawsuit filed Tuesday. The teacher had declined to let him into a Feb. 21 school lip sync show that was full. He was suspended for six days and reassigned to a new school.

But the teen wants to graduate with his Palm Harbor University High class in six weeks and complete his final season on the varsity baseball team, the lawsuit said.

"We're talking about his graduation," said Tillung's lawyer, B. Edwin Johnson. "That's an important event in a guy's life. ... This kid deserves a break."

School Board Attorney Jim Robinson said administrators stand by their decision.

"Without knowing the allegations, we're confident in the administration's position on this case," Robinson said. Palm Harbor principal Herman "Doc" Allen described the mooning as "disgusting" and the teacher as "traumatized.".......

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Not knowing the full circumstances, I wouldn't want to judge the justice of the decision.

We keep getting deeper into the CRIME of giving or taking "Offense". As long as we are headed in that direction, all must walk circumspectly. There will never be laws which can justly apply to "Offense".

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peddler7118 asked on 04/05/07 - The Best of America

Person of the Week

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

I'd vote for him!

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HANK1 asked on 04/05/07 - ADVICE:



The Roman, Epictetus, wrote, "In order to live in a manner befitting our rational nature, we must make the best of what is in our power, and take the rest as it occurs."

Does this attitude befit a Christian?

HANK

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

A good idea, but in and of ourselves, we lack the "power" to do it well.

Col 1:10-12
10 And we pray this in order that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and may please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, 11 being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, and joyfully 12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the kingdom of light.
(from New International Version)

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jjgoss asked on 04/05/07 - ..Before you......

Before you speak, listen.
Before you write, think.
Before you spend, earn.
Before you invest, investigate.
Before you criticize, wait.
Before you pray, forgive.
Before you quit, try.
Before you retire, save.
Before you die, give.


...By William Arthur Ward...

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

It could be a Proverb.

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belle33 asked on 04/05/07 - Could everyone, anyone?

Spend time on this board for one day only without insulting anyone else? lol

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

I try. But it is difficult to know what some might take as insults.

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HANK1 asked on 04/05/07 - DOMINO:



I posted the following over at the Expert Forum under "free time":

I like to spend time with my wife going hither and yon to places of interest in and around Scottsdale. Playing GOLF is big in our lives. So is Church. Then I have my writing to fall back on. Writing another manuscript entitled "The Common Sense Republic." Plenty to do out here in the 'wild, wild west.' We also party one night a week at different nightclubs! Great life! We've already made some new friends. Most people are very happy who live in this area. We stay away from the deadheads. Snowbirds have left ... HALLELUJAH!

Not much neglect there, I'd say! Jealousy and/or envy will get you nowhere. I wonder what your daily routine entails? (Not really!)

HANK

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Being beyond the "wild..." West even to the Left Coast, we have been watching the fruit tree blossom fall, the poppies and daffodils bloom and planting our vegetable gardens. This week I built a 12'X3'X2 raised garden box to keep the moles and gophers out. I'm tired.

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arcura asked on 04/05/07 - I hope everyone here has a ..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Thanks. May you also be blessed by the rememberance.

It is good to know that God has made reconciliation through the cross and the resurrection.

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drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Thanks. May you also be blessed by the rememberance.

It is good to know that God has made reconciliation through the cross and the resurrection.

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Toms777 asked on 04/04/07 - Roman Catholic Relic Found to be Fake

Here is an excert from a BBC article:

"Joan of Arc remains 'are fakes'

The bones came from a mummy, Philippe Charlier says
Bones thought to be the holy remains of 15th Century French heroine Joan of Arc were in fact made from an Egyptian mummy and a cat, research has revealed."

This "relic" was declared to be genuine and sacred by the Roman religion and are housed in a MUseum in the Archdiocese of Tours.

So for the past 200 years, Roman Catholics have been venerating a mummy and a cat.

Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many other relics would stand the test if the experts were allowed to examine them?

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Relics are to some religious people as precious as fossils are to some scientists.

They may or may not be real, but they don't have much to do with the truth in either field.

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belle33 asked on 04/04/07 - Have any of you
Have any of you

ever heard or read any religious text stating that Bathsheba (as in David and Bathsheba) gave birth to a baby when she, Bathsheba, was only six years old?

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Never heard of it. But the devil is having his people write all kinds of "new" books with some of his new "truths".

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CeeBee2 asked on 04/04/07 - Christian romance novels.

I ran across this on a Christian Web site:

"You should be reading your Bible instead of reading trashy romance novels. This includes so-called Christian romance novels. What is the difference between a secular romance novel and a Christian romance novel? A secular romance novel is written by a lost person. A Christian romance novel is supposedly written by a so-called Christian but actually ghost-written by a lost person. Do you see any difference? I don't."

What do you think of Christian romance novels? Are they a better choice than regular romance novels - or is either type a bad choice? If so, why?

drgade answered on 04/05/07:

Christians "should be reading" the Bible instead of "trashy"(all popular) newspapers.

At least the novels are honest in saying that they are fiction while all the news media pretends to be telling unbiased facts.

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/05/07 - The Johannine Comma - a test of Christian honesty and integrity




This is a passage that has today been taken out of modern versions the Bible after it was left in long after the compilers and bibliologists knew that it is not a part of the original text.

The eminent printed editions of the Greek New Testament (at least until the end of the nineteenth century) was refered to as the Textus Receptus. The Textus Receptus is a faulty text based on late and unreliable Greek manuscripts.

However due to the accolade it received, it remained the main Greek New Testament text used by scholars and translators until the end of the nineteenth century.

Towards the end of the nineteenth century evidence was accumulated that was so overwhelming that honest Christian scholars were forced to admit that the Textus was inaccurate and based on manuscripts written far later than the period of the original texts.

Gibbon pointed out that the church fathers dealt with heretics by forged documents and insertions. They even went as far as altering the text of the Bible. One such imposition is known as the Johannione Comma.

1 John 5:7-8 (AV)

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that witness on earth, the Spirit, the Water and the Blood and these three agree in one".

This passagehas is still used by Christians to prove the unbiblical teaching of the Trinity, alhtough they knew, and had known for some time, that these verses do not appear in any Greek manuscript earlier than the fifteenth century.

in the oldest of the late manuscripts, only three have the imposition. although its earliest appearance was in 5th Century Latin MSS, and its earliest quotation is 4th Century.

It is become a test of Christian honesty and integrity. Do you keep the forgery, or cast it out?


drgade answered on 04/05/07:

My study Bible since the middle of the last century has been, "Novum Testamentum Graece" the first editions came our in the late 19th century and editions continue to be printed as other manuscripts of some parts of the Bible are discovered or have become accessible.

The NIV has a very faithful translation of the Nestle's Greek:

Col 2:18-19
Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
(from New International Version)


James 3:13-16
Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
(from New International Version)


1 John 5:6-12

6 This is the one who came by water and blood-Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
(from New International Version)

In it we see Jesus Christ, His Father and the Holy Spirit mentioned. But there are many other passages which speak of our God as being three persons including the OT verses which say that the Messiah is to be named the son as well as the father and the counselor:

Isa 9:6
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
(from New International Version)



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tropicalstorm asked on 04/04/07 - according to people 'attacking'
'others religions'

the question I have often asked myself
is what if a person truly has a yearning for God
in their heart and they go to 'the wrong church' (denomination) yet they live their life for God and
their heart is in the right place with God, maybe even moreso than many in the 'right church', yet they
only know their religion and believe it to be right
even though it may be wrong does that make them
lose out on God because they never knew any different?
Denominations and religions do not get you to heaven.
And who can say what IS the RIGHT church or denomination?

what are your thoughts?