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HANK1 asked on 12/07/06 - CELTIC WOMAN:



I couldn't get a clarification 'to the Board.' So, here's a site that will take you right to the performance: music and video.

www.angelrecords.com

It works for me. Good luck! I think I'm in love!

HANK

Laura answered on 12/07/06:

Went to Itunes and listened to excerps from some of their songs.. They sound extremely pleseant. Thanks for the info.

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Choux... asked on 12/06/06 - Mary Cheney Conceives Child out of Wedlock

"Conservative leaders voiced dismay Wednesday at news that Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of Dick Cheney, is pregnant, while a gay-rights group said the vice president faces "a lifetime of sleepless nights" for serving in an administration that has opposed recognition of same-sex couples.

Mary Cheney, 37, and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe, 45, are expecting a baby in late spring, said Lea Anne McBride, a spokeswoman for the vice president.

"The vice president and Mrs. Cheney are looking forward with eager anticipation" to the arrival of their sixth grandchild, McBride said.

Mary Cheney was an aide to her father during the 2004 campaign, and now is vice president for consumer advocacy at AOL. She and Poe moved from Colorado to Virginia a year ago to be closer to the Cheney family.

Family Pride, which advocates on behalf of gay and lesbian families, noted that Virginia last month became one of 27 states with a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

"Unless they move to a handful of less restrictive states, Heather will never be able to have a legal relationship with her child," said Family Pride executive director Jennifer Chrisler.

The couple "will quickly face the reality that no matter how loved their child will be. ... he or she will never have the same protections that other children born to heterosexual couples enjoy," Chrisler said. "Grandfather Cheney will no doubt face a lifetime of sleepless nights as he reflects on the irreparable harm he and his administration have done to the millions of American gay and lesbian parents and their children."

For years, Mary Cheney's openness about her sexual orientation had posed a dilemma for conservative activists who admire Dick Cheney's stance on many issues but consider homosexuality a sin.

Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America described the pregnancy as "unconscionable."

"It's very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father," said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group's think tank. "They are encouraging people who don't have the advantages they have."

Crouse said there was no doubt that the news would, in conservatives' eyes, be damaging to the Bush administration, which already has been chided by some leaders on the right for what they felt was halfhearted commitment to anti-abortion and anti-gay-rights causes in this year's general election...."

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Do you think that the Lesbian couple should go to Massacheusetts and get married?

Laura answered on 12/06/06:

Why should the vice president lose sleep over anything his adult daughter has decided to do when it comes to her life??

If she were my daughter, though I disaprove of the lifestyle she would still be my daughter and I would love her. I would love the child that she brought into our family. But I wouldn't put on my rose colored glasses nor would I help her put on her own. She would know how I felt. If she disowned me because of it she would be no better than me now would she.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions...even Christians.. How about that!!!!

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Bobbye asked on 12/05/06 - JESUS' DNA!

Fred posted the following: "I do not have copies of Jesus DNA. Though there is some. I do not have an actual picture of Jesus, but there is one."

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE PROVIDE INFO RE "JESUS' DNA." ALSO, THE "ACTUAL PICTURE OF JESUS."

This is not "Catholic bashing." I'm seeking info and ACTUAL source of such a claim. What is out there that is being touted as Jesus' DNA?

Things are getting strange concerning the claims of MANY religions. We'd best stick to Scripture.

Thanks for your response.
Bobbye

Laura answered on 12/05/06:

Perhaps he's speaking of the shroud of turin. Although I don't know if they ever got DNA from it, if it is "real" it would be a kind of picture of Jesus.

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madddawg asked on 11/28/06 - Inquisition

Are former Catholics, who have become Christians in dangers of an inquisition?
"Hence there are but three classes of persons excluded from the church’s pale: Infidels are outside the Church because they never belonged to, and never knew the church, and were never made partakers of any of her sacraments. Heretics and schismatics are excluded from the church, because they have separated from her and belong to her only deserted. It is not, however to be denied that they are still subject to the jurisdiction of the Church, inasmuch as they may be called before her tribunals, punished and anathematized. Finally, excommunicated persons are not members of the Church, because they have been cut off by her sentence from the number of her children and belong not to her communion until they repent." The Catholic Tradition, The Church 1, page 279

Laura answered on 11/28/06:

The problem that I have with this question is that I don't think it's fair to assume that Catholics are not Christians. There may be those who are not, but I know of many Catholics that tolerate the added non-scriptural tradition of the church and yet depend on Jesus alone for salvation. They just happen to enjoy the Catholic Church mostly because it is where they were raised and they're comfortable with it. Do you think that all Catholics are lost?

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Rosekeeper asked on 11/27/06 - "Christian terrorism?

Please read, This is frightening, and all Christians should be forewarn,is Revelation coming true, where the beast will turn on the very ones that supported it?
"As a nation we have allowed homosexuality to flourish, flourish to the point where Christians are now being arrested for speaking out against homosexuality. Unfortunately, there are not enough Christians obeying the Scriptures by speaking out against homosexuality (Psalm 94:16). Thus, homosexuals WILL get their rights and sin-fighting Christians WILL be persecuted.

Halliburton is presently building concentration camps in the U.S.! You can be guaranteed it will be the protesters, patriots, and Christians who are put into them!!! We will all be mislabeled as "terrorists". Are you aware of the recently created term "Christian Terrorism"? According to Wikipedia.com:
"Christian terrorism is terrorism that the perpetrator claims is performed in furtherance of Christian goals or teachings..." -SOURCE (Wikipedia)
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Apostasy/gay_friendly_christians.htm

Laura answered on 11/27/06:

Yes, Revelation is truth. It is going to happen at some point. We are probably in the midst of it as we speak. Will Christians be persecuted? The Bible says yes. Will a Christian who stands up for truth be persecuted? You bet. We are now. We don't have to wait for that..Just read what people write about us on this board and what they write about our God. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the writing on the wall.

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MaggieB asked on 11/26/06 - God's Word

Describe for me your discerning of the following verses:

God's Word says...

“And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of
the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I
could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither
cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich,
have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are
wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold
refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be
clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your
eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten.
Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If
anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with
him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My
throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father !
on His throne.”

Revelation 3:14-21 NKJV

Thank you,
MaggieB

Laura answered on 11/27/06:

In words anyone can understand: We need to stop riding the fence and get our act together. We are either for God or against Him and our words and actions need to represent our choice every day and in everything we do.

While I firmly believe that we are saved by grace and not by any works, our love for God will produce good works by virtue of our spiritual nature. I think we have alot of fruit to bear.

We have been afraid or hesitant to show it. It's time that we put aside our fear of what others say or think about us because of what we believe. Words only hurt if we let them.

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MaggieB asked on 11/27/06 - I find the following to be true, what say ye?

There have always been those who distort the Gospel message - always
those who remove the sufficiency of the Cross or the necessity of a
repentant heart. The "world" rewards those who dilute the truth of
Christ with the philosophy of man and his methods of
success. Unfortunately, false teachers will continue to abound and
will always have an audience.

But we must refuse to compromise! We have been given the Word of God -
a message of truth. And while this message is a wonderful blessing, it
also carries an incredible responsibility. We are called to know this
message and apply its principles of forgiveness, grace, and love as we
live a life devoted to holiness, thanksgiving, and praise. We then
must share this message of absolute truth with others at every opportunity.

Our time here is very, very short. We are "a mist that appears for a
little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14). Some of us may vanish in
a few days, others not for many years - but we will ALL vanish. What
remains in the end will ONLY be that which is done according to truth
and for the glory of God

p/c

MaggieB

Laura answered on 11/27/06:

And the saddest part of this truth is that there are some people with hearts as big as the world who distort and dilute the truth and do not understand what is it they are doing. Because they have been taught that what they do is truth and correct. I don't know how to reach them anymore than they wonder how to reach me. My prayers are for all of us.

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/25/06 - Part 3 - infallibility

Just because someone understands the RCC meaning of papal infallibility doesn't mean that person AGREES with it.

I just found out that the Immaculate Conception was one of the doctrines that came from a pope speaking ex cathedra. I understand the mechanisms that were in place to cause that doctrine to be voiced. I am not a Catholic and, in any event, don't agree with that doctrine, and never have.

Do you happen to know what the Immaculate Conception is? (Many Protestants don't.)

Laura answered on 11/26/06:

How did I know that purgatory would come into this!! The Catholic Church with all it's tradition and un biblical ideas and stories!!

If Peter were the first pope, don't you think he would have thought it important enough to mention all of these different things? They seem awful important to me. You guys pray to the Virgin Mary for goodness sake. That in itself is a sin against the scriptures.

Why is the assumption of Mary and her supposed immaculate conception not spoken about by any on the writers of the Gospels? The Bible doesn't speak of purgatory. It's speaks of Jesus blood and sacrafice doing it's job. Isn't it enough?? Do you need more blood...more suffering???

This is why I left the Church. This is why I won't go back. I worship God. I owe my allegence to Jesus Christ. Mary is JUST like me. I think she would be offended at the pedistal that you people have put her on. It detracts from Messiah and it's false.

Well, obviously you know what the immaculate conception is now. Why don't people just follow the Bible? Why do they feel compelled to "add or take away" from it when they see fit? Not you CeeBee, i'm just musing.

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Closer_To_The_Heart asked on 11/25/06 - NAME THAT BIGOT!!!

Bash "Catholic" week is back and into full swing! Which infamous board bigot made this remark? Quote: "...O'Reilly is a Catholic and therefore the Bible is not his primary source of truth."

Laura answered on 11/25/06:

When any faith proclaims something and says that it's from God they better be able to back it up with scripture. There are too many traditions in the Catholic Church that if people are not informed would believe to be scriptural doctrine. They are not. I would rather risk being called a basher or bigot that see anyone led astray. Catholics are entitled to believe whatever they like. But folks need to know the difference between tradition Catholic style and Biblical doctrine.

For the most part I happen to like O'Reilly.

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/25/06 - Part 3 - infallibility

Just because someone understands the RCC meaning of papal infallibility doesn't mean that person AGREES with it.

I just found out that the Immaculate Conception was one of the doctrines that came from a pope speaking ex cathedra. I understand the mechanisms that were in place to cause that doctrine to be voiced. I am not a Catholic and, in any event, don't agree with that doctrine, and never have.

Do you happen to know what the Immaculate Conception is? (Many Protestants don't.)

Laura answered on 11/25/06:

I just put a follow up on my question about both. I don't mean to be putting any faith down CeeBee, I really don't but people need to be informed or they risk falling into snares. It's a harsh reality.

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/25/06 - I can't stand it!! What is the definition of

infallibility?

(Hint: It has nothing to do with sin or righteousness.)

Laura answered on 11/25/06:

The inability to do anything wrong.. There is NO one on planet earth that fits that bill.

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madddawg asked on 11/24/06 - Is Mary still a Virgin?

There seems to be a conflict on whether Mary is still a virgin. Which source should be accept?

The Roman Church states:
"O God, You were pleased to honor the Order of Carmel by the singular title of Your most Blessed Mother, Mary ever Virgin." Mary My Hope, page 61
"You are blessed among women, chosen above all others to be the Mother of God and yet remain a Virgin. Ibid. Mary My Hope page 110
We honor Mary, the Ever-virgin mother of Jesus Christ our Lord. Living with Christ Sunday Missal 1988, page 26.

But the Bible says:
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1:25 And KNEW HER NOT TILL she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Matthew 13:54-57 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Laura answered on 11/24/06:

I personally don't think that Mary remained a virgin after she birthed Jesus. And I don't understand why it would lessen her role as the chosen vessel through which the messiah was delivered. But for some reason the Catholic church and perhaps others as well are determined to go against scripture with "stories" about Mary being a virgin still.

For her to be a virgin through out her marriage to Joseph was to cause her to sin against her own husband. There were guidelines for married women. They were not to deny their husbands physically. The two were to become one flesh. I know that some say that the "brothers and sisters" that the Bible refers to that Jesus had were merely cousins.. The writers of the Bible knew the word cousin. They would have used it if they had meant that.

There is NO where in scripture that ANY one can show me that says that Mary was not anything more than a faithful child of God who fullfilled a purpose and then went on to live a life.

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madddawg asked on 11/23/06 - Should Christians boycott Wal-Mart?

Just curious on your opinions on whether we should boycott Wal-Mart, or whether our time would be better spent sharing the gospel with homosexuals?

Note: Here is exerpts from the article that sparked my curiousity

THE CANADIAN PRESS - Christian conservatives are asking shoppers to boycott Wal-Mart’s post-Thanksgiving sales because of its outreach to some gay rights organizations.
The American Family Association is asking supporters to stay away from the huge retailer Friday and Saturday - two of the busiest shopping days of the year. Another group, Operation Save America, plans prayer rallies outside many Wal-Mart stores Friday.
The corporate actions that triggered the protests were little different from those taken by scores of major companies in recent years - Wal-Mart paid $25,000 US this summer to become a member of the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and donated $60,000 to Out and Equal, which promotes gay rights advances in the workplace.
Conservative leaders saw these actions as a betrayal of the Wal-Mart’s traditions, which have included efforts to remove magazines with racy covers and CDs with explicit lyrics.
“This has been Christian families favorite store - and now they’re giving in, sliding down the slippery road so many other corporations have gone down,” said Rev. Flip Benham of Operation Save America, “They’re all being extorted by the radical homosexual agenda.” Religious right targets Wal-Mart, Calgary Herald, November 22nd, 2006

Laura answered on 11/23/06:

While I understand the delemna, Christians might as well move to Pennslyvania and become Amish. We should boycott all auto manufacturers because they provide medical and benifits to "partners" without the benifit of marriage, whether gay or straight. We should boycott all grocerie stores. They hire gay people to work for them..Heck, every store, clothing, sports, it doesn't matter.

The Bible says we are to be in the world. We have no choice. But we are not to engage in the immoral activities of the world. However we do have to live. Target employs gays. Macys, JcPenny's, the military......LOL

I'm going to shop where I can get the best bargain. My prayers and ministries and the money I save can be geared sharing the Gospel with all peoples.

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arcura asked on 10/27/06 - I'll be leaving this afternoon...................

Please be good boys and girls.
God bless you all to His glorious light.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Laura answered on 10/27/06:

Where ya going??? Whatcha doing??? Curious minds want to know. Where ever your going, be well and God bless. Laura

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CeeBee2 asked on 10/27/06 - Preacher says GOP delaying Second Coming

Maybe Christians should vote Democrat?

K.A. Paul

Laura answered on 10/27/06:

Since God already knows the day and the hour, neither man nor nation can put off anything God plans.

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MaggieB asked on 10/27/06 -
Considering our recent posts on "Christianity" I am submitting the following by a minist


What is the Christian faith all about? What is the bottom line?

Many people will not like the answer I am going to give. It flies in the face of the teaching of many churches; it is not a popular concept in today's world and our flesh rebels against the thought.

The faith is about submission. That is a nasty word in many people's vocabulary and brings up images of becoming a doormat or being abused. How can I even say that Christianity is about submission?

To get in the door as a Christian we must submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. The foundation of our faith is based on our willingness to submit. Without surrendering to Jesus Christ by faith, there is no salvation. Most born again Christians will have little difficulty with accepting that basic premise. I am not going to bother justifying that statement by chapter and verse as I have often spoken on the biblical requirement to do be born again and our need to submit to Christ. However, the biblical call to submission is far greater than that in its scope.

We are to submit to one another.

Ephesians 5:21 NIV
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

That means we are to place the needs of others ahead of our own. There is a well used acronym for this kind of thinking. It is JOY - Jesus - Others- You.

We are to submit to the government.

1 Peter 2:13-16 NIV
Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.

That means following the law of the land, fully, without fudging. That means that Christians should have no need of radar detectors for example (a pet peeve of mine). If the law of the land violates the laws of God, we must of course choose God, but we are still subject to the penalties of our conscious disobedience.

Wives are to submit to husbands and husbands love their wives as Christ loved the church (and He loves the church in full submission to the Father).

Ephesians 5:22-32 NIV
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. !
However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Sorry to all you feminists but this is the Bible model. Has it been abused? Of course it has! But the model stands and when exercised properly is the plan of God. The wife submits to the husband and the husband in effect, submits to the wife because he seeks to aid her in all areas to be all that she can be out of true love.

We are to submit to our employers.

1 Peter 2:18-21 NIV
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

Now this verse does say slaves, but its context implies all who are under authority in their workplace. That means all who are employees.

We are to submit to the leaders of the church.

Hebrews 13:17 NIV
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Husbands have abused using these verses as justification. Slave owners and employers have abused them. Church leaders and governments have abused them. That does not give us the right however to abandon these commands of God.

When we are fully submitted to Jesus and following in His footsteps, the submission comes naturally out of our love for Him. It overflows into our relationships with others and our heart's desire becomes to seek what is best for others. That overflowing love, tempered by Holy Spirit removes any form of abuse. These verses have never been intended as a justification for any form of abuse. In fact, just the opposite is true.

All of this talk of submission runs contrary to our culture's cry for individual rights and self indulgent lifestyles. It forces us to consider time honored virtues that we have abandoned. Things like duty, honor, fidelity, trust and integrity flow out of genuine love and when each of us submits fully in all of these areas we will find that there is freedom in submission.

Freedom in submission may seem like a paradox, but when done through the love of God is a reality.


Comments are welcome!
MaggieB

Laura answered on 10/27/06:

I completely agree with this Maggie. When my husband and I married it was said that 50 percent of marriages ended in divorce. We dedicated ourselves to the Lord and submitted to Him. There were some very hard times through out our marriage and I suppose there were times when it would have been easy to walk away. But I didn't and he didn't. We are still together after 32 years.

We succeeded in our marriage, but I know so many who haven't. And i'm talking about mostly Christian couples.

When I analyse the ex marriages of people that I know it all really does point to one thing. One or both parties in these marriages abandoned submission. They started thinking not as a team or a union of two people but of one as an individual and the needs of the one. When things got tough instead of submitting to God and His authority and finding a solution to marrital problems they just gave up. It was too hard, and much easier just to walk away.

I think that part of the problem is that people have the wrong conception of what marriage is. They romanticise it but forget that it's not long before the honeymoon period period is over and real life happens.

I think it would be smart for any couple considering marriage to get counseling on the realities of it before saying "I do".

I read a secular article awhile back and i'm trying to find it. The person who wrote the article actually said that human beings are like alot of other animals in that they are not built to have life long monagamous relationships. It is in our nature to have several sexual relationships and it is quite normal...That goes against everything that God says to be truth.

And the world wonders why we have the troubles we do!!

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arcura asked on 10/27/06 - Can you believe it? .................................

PASADENA, California (The Onionexternal link) -- NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientists overseeing the ongoing Mars Exploration Rover Mission said Monday that the Spirit's latest transmissions could indicate a growing resentment of the Red Planet.

"Spirit has been displaying some anomalous behavior," said Project Manager John Callas, who noted the rover's unsuccessful attempts to flip itself over and otherwise damage its scientific instruments. "And the thousand or so daily messages of 'STILL NO WATER' really point to a crisis of purpose."

The "robot geologist," as NASA describes Spirit, has been operating independently for over 990 Martian sols -- nearly the equivalent of three Earth years. However, scientists estimate that, in recent weeks, Spirit has been functioning on the level of a rover who has been on Mars for approximately 6,160 sols.

According to Callas, Spirit was operating normally until the onset of the Martian winter, whose shorter days and frigid temperatures typically mean a slower pace for exploratory rovers. "We began getting the occasional transmission along the lines of 'ANOTHER SOIL SAMPLE OF THE EXACT SAME COMPOSITION AS THE LAST ONE,'" Callas said. "Most of the time, she'd power down and not transmit much of anything, which, at the time, didn't particularly concern us."

But as the winter lingered, Spirit began producing thousands of pages of sometimes rambling and dubious data, ranging from complaints that the Martian surface was made up almost entirely of the same basalt, to long-winded rants questioning the exorbitant cost and scientific relevance of the mission.

"Granted, Spirit has been extraordinarily useful to our work," Callas said. "Last week, however, we received three straight days of images of the same rock with the message 'HAPPY NOW?'"

Mission Project Scientist Bruce Banerdt said that Spirit will often roll down Gusev crater and up the opposite side for no apparent reason, missing "countless" potential opportunities for scientific discovery.

"Once, when we radioed her to please leave the lecturing and hypothesis-making to the mission project team, she responded by forming her robotic arm into an obscene gesture," Banerdt said. "That arm contains a state-of-the-art spectrometer meant to provide crucial mineralogy data."

Project organizers said the most distressing instance of erratic behavior occurred last week, when images from the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter revealed that Spirit had scrawled the message "F--- MARS" in the thick, iron oxide dust that gives the planet its characteristic red color.

"The orbiting Mars Odyssey has cut off transmissions from Spirit, which seems to envy the craft's ability to fly freely around in space," Banerdt said. "Similarly, data suggests Spirit is convinced that [sister rover] Opportunity has found water and isn't telling anyone."

Despite these malfunctions, mission leaders remain optimistic that the rover will eventually return to full working order.

"Hopefully these malfunctions will straighten themselves out," Callas said. "In the meantime, we'll simply have to try to glean what usable data we can from 'OVERPRICED SPACE-ROOMBA AWAITING MORE BULLS--- ORDERS.'"

NASA remains optimistic that the rover will remain at least partially operational for the foreseeable future. However, because of the Spirit's recent proclivity toward ramming into boulders at full speed, scientists have remotely disabled its 1.5-pound rock-abrasion tool so the rover is unable to terminate the mission prematurely.

Laura answered on 10/27/06:

Coming from the Onion...It's most likely satire Fred.

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MaggieB asked on 10/25/06 - Christianity, what does it mean to you?



Also, has anyone heard from JudgementDay?

Thanks,

MaggieB

Laura answered on 10/25/06:

Total trust and reliance upon Jesus Christ. God has saved my life by giving up His own.

JudgementDay has been suspended according to his/her bio.

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peddler7118 asked on 10/12/06 - Will the social gospel get you to heaven?

Will agreeing that their are many ways to God get you saved?
Are Muslims going to heaven as Muslims, JW's as JW's , Mormons as Mormon's. Are the words of Jesus Christ's relevant in the New Age?

Laura answered on 10/12/06:

The Bible states that there is one way and one way only to the Father and that is through the Son. The Bible outlines who the son is, what He did and how to be saved. As far as I know, the Bible writers state that it is the Word of God supernaturally inspired by Him and given to men. So, if you believe the Bible to be true then all these other avenues to salvation are false. The Jesus of the Bible is the only way to God.

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Gimbo asked on 10/08/06 - Dinner

You can invite two people from this board for dinner at your house.

Who, & what two dishes & wines are you going to prepare for them.

Reasons are not needed;)

Laura answered on 10/08/06:

I'm sorry...Two just wouldn't be enough, plus part of the group that I would invite i'm not sure what names they're going by these days. I know that I'd invite Maggie and Bobbye. I'd have to invite Fred and Ronnie. And of course ATON and Pete. See.....two just isn't enough. I'd just have to invite everyone, can't leave out Joy or Paraclete or the Rev or anyone else.

I'd probably go italian and make an eggplant dish and a pasta dish. Actually since I'd be inviting everyone I'd turn it into a potluck! Don't guests bring the wine? LOL

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revdauphinee asked on 10/07/06 - on a lighter note!

A first grade teacher had twenty-five students in her class and she
presented each child in her class the first half of a well-known proverb
and asked them to come up with the remainder of the proverb.

It's hard to believe these were actually done by first graders. Their
insight may surprise you! While reading these, keep in mind that these
are first graders, 6-year-olds - because the last one is classic!

1. Don't change horses.........................until they stop running.
2. Strike while the......................................bug is close.
3. It's always darkest before.....................Daylight Saving Time.
4. Never underestimate the power
of............................termites.
5. You can lead a horse to water
but................................how?
6. Don't bite the hand that................................looks dirty.
7. No news is.......................... ..... ................impossible.
8. A miss is as good as a...........................................Mr.
9. You can't teach an old dog new.................................math.
10. If you lie down with dogs, you'll...............stink in the
morning.
11. Love all, trust.................................................me.
12. The pen is mightier than the..................................pigs.
13. An idle mind is..............................the best way to relax.
14. Where there's smoke there's...............................pollution
15. Happy the bride who...........................gets all the
presents.
16. A penny saved is..........................................not much.
17. Two's company, three's................................the
Musketeers.
18. Don't put off till tomorrow what.............you put on to go to
bed.
19. Laugh and the whole world laughs with you, cry and..........you
have to blow your nose.
20. Th ere are non e so blind as............................Stevie
Wonder.
21. Children should be seen and not.................spanked or
grounded.
22. If at first you don't succeed.....................get new
batteries.
23. You get out of something only what you..........see in the picture
on the box.
24. When the blind lead the blind....................get out of the
way.

The WINNER and last one!
25. Better late than...........................................pregnant


Laura answered on 10/07/06:

Hillarious!! LOL It's nice to end the evening with a laugh :-)

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Jesushelper76 asked on 10/07/06 - Baby!

One of the reasons why I have been away, is because my wife and I have been so so busy. Getting ready for a new addition to the family. We have a beautiful baby boy at home. He is one week old.

Just sharing with everybody.

(:

Joe

Laura answered on 10/07/06:

Congratulations Joe!!! Babies are a blessing!

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peddler7118 asked on 10/07/06 - Why is Tom so hated by "Christians"

All I here is Tom this and Tom that.
If anyone here thinks they are a better scholar than Tom I would like to see some evidence .
I find it very telling that the atheist agree with the 'Christians" who bash Tom.
Coincidence?
He is not politically correct but neither was Jesus.

Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Laura answered on 10/07/06:

I've looked at the last 10 or so questions and I haven't seen any Tom bashing by any professing Christians thus far. Are you talking about a post from farther back? Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that you hate them. It means that you disagree with them, that's all. I think sometimes people read much more into a statement or comment than needs be.

Believe me, Toms knows where it's at and he knows the score. He knows who's side he's on and he knows the direction in which the wind is blowing. No one here has need to worry about Toms.

Toms is not liked by some people because he doesn't mince words. He doesn't candy coat anything and he doesn't leave anything out of the Bible either. When he speaks of something as it relates to Christ or salvation or to the Word, he doesn't beat around the bush..that really bugs some people. He doesn't play games with doctrine or old wives tales. That doesn't make him wrong, but it makes other people uncomfortable.

I have yet to see anyone who puts him down actually say anything that proves what he says is wrong or an untruth. Have you?

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Gimbo asked on 10/07/06 - Toms777 has made a move & I quote

"I challenge you - if you believe that there are lies being brough out on here, then provide the facts, sources by which it can be validated and you will do much more to address these concerns than "bashing" Christians by some vague accusations"

I need to know what Tom means by "facts"?

Are they "what is printed in his version of the Holy Bible"?

A simple answer will do, but I doubt I will get even that.

Laura answered on 10/07/06:

Since you know Toms beliefs to be based upon the "Word of God" why not pick a "version" and answer his question.

All Toms asked for from you was a simple answer. He didn't get it..Not yet anyway. I doubt that he will (get even that.)

You believe the Bible to be as biggoted as the Christians who follow it don't you?

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CeeBee2 asked on 10/07/06 - What are positive ways for Christians to evangelize,

to bring others to the knowledge of Jesus Christ? Peddler had told me in a rating response that we should "warn" them and (I gather from all his postings so far) pound them with Bible verses about sin and damnation.

Laura answered on 10/07/06:

I get where you are coming from CeeBee, however I believe that it is only right to present the Word of God (which is what Christians follow or are supposed to anyway)when delivering the gospel to others as accurately as possible. If you talk all the love and leave out the part about sin and repentence and consequenses then you are doing a disservice to the recipient of the message. If you do it the other way around and forget the love it is no better.

How do you believe that the gospel should be presented? Remember we aren't here to decieve or trick anyone into accepting Jesus Christ. We are supposed to tell the truth as best as we can. It's certainly not a game. It truly is a matter of life and death!

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arcura asked on 10/05/06 - What Cable News do you watch??????????............

According to “Market Watch” Fox News is number one in popularity since 2002.
I do not get Fox News..
I do get CNN which I think is far to negative and pro ACLU.
If you go get FOX news, what do you think of it?
If you get both FOX and CNN which one do you thinks is best and why?

Laura answered on 10/05/06:

I watch Fox.. It "fair and balanced"..LOL I really do watch Fox but they do tend to be more to the right...But of course CNN and others are to the left so it's evened out. All in all though I do think that Fox is more balanced than the others if there's anything balanced these days.

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Bimbo. asked on 10/04/06 - Why would I want to be a Christian?

After reading the nasty, cowardly weasel words of the truth giver Toms777.

Should he slither back under his stone with te rest of his kind?

Unfortunately, all cults have them!

Laura answered on 10/04/06:

Well Bimbo this is just my opinion of which you don't consider as much of one but here goes anyway.

I certainly hope that you don't take anything that Toms or me or any other professing Christian on this board says as Gospel truth. I also hope that you don't take everything that you read that is "anti-Jesus or Bible" as gospel truth either.

What I do hope is that you read it for yourself in the Bible and that you make a decision one way or the other for yourself by what you yourself percieve in the reading. That way you and you alone are accountable for your eternal destiny.

Can't blame Toms or any other person who professes Christianity for to count on human man for one's identity or destiny is a mistake.

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arcura asked on 10/04/06 - How like God are we human beings????????????????????

For the moment let’s not think of how un-godlike we are, but rather in how many ways we are like God.
The bible tells us are created in the image of God.
To me, since we are not spirits or look like spirits, that means we were created with some of God’s attributes.
While none of our God given attributes are perfect or infinite, some of those attributes are:
We know good and evil.
We can make decisions.
We have fee will.
We are self aware.
We can try to understand.
We can attempt to be wise.
We can imagine and often create what we imagine like a painting a picture, or creating new a song, or a book, or building a table, or a chair, or an airplane.
We have emotions such as love, joy, anger, and sadness.
We can communicate.
And we can bring new life into existence.
True, all these Godlike attributes are gifts to us of God.
Can you think of any other ways we are like God?
All sensible answers get 5 stars.

Laura answered on 10/04/06:

We, like God are triune beings. Body, soul, and spirit. God created us in His likeness after His image. Just another reason to believe that Jesus existed before creation in a visable human form..At least in the eyes of God and for His intended purpose. "before Abraham was..I am". Not to mention he was seen in the firey furnace with the two shacks and the bungalo. :-)

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Bimbo. asked on 10/04/06 - Bimbo has been chucked!!

Comments??

Laura answered on 10/04/06:

If Bimbo did or said something that went against the rules then he/she deserved the boot.

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revdauphinee asked on 10/04/06 - Christians or not?

In the light of the massacre of Amish children this week i hear there is a group intending to protest at the funerals of these innocents ,this group who also protest at funerals of US servicemen call them selves Christian (I do not ,)whilst causing havoc to families at the worst time the death af a loved one !we as True christ followers should speak out loudly again st such actions done in the name of Christ.they calim to be Baptists where is the baptist outcry against this !I personaly find it horrific.

Laura answered on 10/04/06:

They are now saying that they won't protest the funerals.. I just don't get that group at all. Do they really think that Jesus would behave in such a way? There has got to be a way to stop this type of behavior. I think there should be limits to "free speech". Common sence should come into the equation somewhere.

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whitefawn_ asked on 10/02/06 - Asking for Prayers

The lowest of all.
This world has really gone crazy. I cried when I heard this at the Hospital today, while visiting a friend. I live near Amish, and they are the kindest of all people, hardly ever even hearing of violence, they are the most loving of all people I have ever yet to meet.
I know the Angels' have to be crying tohight.
Please’ Say a little Prayer’ for the Parents, of these children
What is happening to this world?
Have you heard about this, and what do you think, to me, “this is the most terrible news I have ever heard in my life.”

The truck driver who opened fire inside a tiny Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania today, killing four students, sent the boys outside before tying up the girls and shooting them at close range, police say.
The gunman, who shot himself to death, had three guns, a stun gun, two knives and a bag with about 600 rounds of ammunition, police said.
Seven other girls, most badly wounded, were transported to hospitals in the region. They had been shot execution-style at point-blank range after being lined up along a chalkboard, their feet bound with wire and plastic ties, authorities said.
Police identified the shooter as Charles Carl Roberts, 32, a married father of three who drove a milk tanker truck in the southeastern Pennsylvania community where the shooting took place.
He was not Amish, police say, but left notes indicating he was "acting in a way to achieve revenge for something that happened 20 years ago."
You can find this rest of this on this Site.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/02/amish-school-shooting.html

Laura answered on 10/02/06:

I saw this on the news today. It is very sad.

I don't know what is happening in the world Joy. It seems like everyone is going crazy. I pray for these children and their families. Is there anyplace safe anymore? What do our own children have to look forward to in this life? Our grandchildren? It gets harder and harder to find comfort or peace of mind anymore.

Have hope in the Lord Joy. These kinds of things remind me that He is just about the only hope we have left.

Human beings can't be trusted. How sad is that! They let us down at every turn. They profess goodness and yet evil reigns. Men who profess no godliness show it in their lifestyles.. Those who profess godliness fall flat on their faces in their own deceptions and failures.

Who is good? No one. Not one. No man or woman. Only God is good and pure and holy. This world shows me this truth more and more every day. We have to hold on to that Joy.

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revdauphinee asked on 10/02/06 - SOMEONE JUST SENT ME THIS AND I WANT TO PASS IT ON

I knelt to pray but not for long,
I had too much to do.
I had to hurry and get to work
For bills would soon be due.
So I knelt and said a hurried prayer,
And jumped up off my knees.
My Christian duty was now done
My soul could rest at ease.....
All day long I had no time
To spread a word of cheer
No time to speak of Christ to friends,
They'd laugh at me I'd fear.
No time, no! time, too much to do,
That was my constant cry,
No time to give to souls in need
But at last the time, the time to die.
I went before the Lord,
I came, I stood with downcast eyes.
For in his hands God! held a book;
It was the book of life.
God looked into his book and said
"Your name I cannot find
I once was going to write it down...
But never found the time"

Now do you have the time

Laura answered on 10/02/06:

I'm always grateful that God is so much bigger than us. It doesn't matter what I do in life, when I face God it won't be enough because I am a really imperfect being. Only one sin is enough to keep me out of heaven. So I continuisly count on Christ and Him alone for my salvation. I think God had enough time to write my name down. After all, time means nothing to him..

But I do understand the point of the message of course. We should make the time for others and for God. It's the least we can do for all the God has done for us.

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hOPE12 asked on 09/30/06 - Prove what kind of person/persons you are:

Hello Everyone,

I have three questions to ask everyone on this board.

1) What is the main way according to each of your own religious or non religious beliefs, can we all prove the kind of person we are, and what rules or principles do you live by in your home?

2) Do we prove who we are by actions or by words, or should we seek prominence and look down on those who are like us?


3) If you invited me to your home and my conduct was not approved by the rules in your home, what would you do?


According to your answers, if given in all sincerity and carefully, we would have and answer in how to improve this board. We all need to take an active roll in cleaning up the board of those who wish to attack and belittle. Answer those three questions according to your principle’s and standards practiced in your home and then you will find the answer to the question on how to make this forum a more pleasant place to come, and it will separate those who are here for a positive experience and those who are here because they wish to show everyone how much more intelligent and better then they are compared to others.

Can’t wait to see the replies on this one!
:)
Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 10/01/06:

1) What is the main way according to each of your own religious or non religious beliefs, can we all prove the kind of person we are, and what rules or principles do you live by in your home?

I have always tried to prove the kind of person I am by my own actions and attitude towards other people. In my home we live by the principle of "treat each other the way that you could like to be treated". This is the same way I try to treat others..I fail at times.

2) Do we prove who we are by actions or by words, or should we seek prominence and look down on those who are like us?

Both action and words. I have never thought of myself as prominent or "above" anyone. Probably more the opposite and so sometimes I tend to underestimate my own capabilities. Not capabilities that would make me better than someone but capabilities that would make me equal.


3) If you invited me to your home and my conduct was not approved by the rules in your home, what would you do?

If you were a relative (like my daughter or son)I would remind you of the way you were raised and that this isn't your home..it's mine so show respect for our feelings and what you know to be our views. You can think and do whatever you want to in your own home.

But as a guest, unless you said something out and out rude, I would probably just let it slide. If you said something that I just could not dismiss, I would probably say something like "Well, you are entitled to your opinion but it isn't mine". And hope to God that the subject in question would just be dropped. I'm the first to admit that I'm not good at confrontations unless it's with a person that I know very well.

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CeeBee2 asked on 09/28/06 - Child discipline, the loving-parent Christian way.

Let's forget about spanking for a few minutes. How can parents (and since this is the Christianity board, Christian parents), discipline their children without having to resort to spanking? What are the requirements to be successful parents, for bringing up well-behaved children who become pleasant-to-have-around teenagers who become responsible adults?

Laura answered on 09/28/06:

The biggest problem that I see with parents when raising their children is consistency CeeBee. You are right that one doesn't ever need to raise a hand to a child if they are consistent in their discipline of that child.

Parent's should do what they say they are going to do and follow through. Whether it is restricting a child when they have misbehaved or time out or whatever. But if they follow through one time and let it slide the next a child eventually learns that their parent doesn't really mean what they say.

Children need to know that even in discipline issues they can count on their parents to be honest and forthright with them.

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wakan asked on 09/27/06 - What attracts them to this board?

I've been very busy with harvest so I've been away from here for quite awhile.
Now I see several more bigots, atheists, and agnostics here than before.
What attracts them to this board?
It once was only Aton and sarnian that were the big cracks in this board.
Now there are so many cracks that the board looks like splinters.
Do you and any answers as to why this board attrakts the Christian attackers and bigots.

Laura answered on 09/27/06:

Geez...I have more important things to do with my time than watch this silliness every day. You people are going to ruin this board just like you have all the others. I'll check in once in a while. When everybody grows up and things get back to some resemblence of normalacy i'll be back..bye bye folks.

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twelfth_imam asked on 09/25/06 - Whose Side Are You On?




Christians should follow Jesus and not some religious supremacist doctrine that seeks the destruction of variant opinion, divergent doctrine, and freedom of religion!

Religious freedom is guaranteed to all who do not live in a dictatorship, and anyone who attenmpts to impose religious dictatorship and stand above the law himself will be exposed and his deeds shown in the full light of day.

Bigoted hands are stained red with the blood of Christian martyrs.

English Catholic Martyrs suffered the extreme penalty of death because they maintianed what theybelieved to be the unity of the Church and the Supremacy of the Apostolic See against the bigots in the new Protestant movement.

Bigots persecuted Baptists to death in New England. Bigots persecuted Quakers to death, and bigots persecuted Mormons to death, shot the limbs and heads off their children, and raped their women. The single cause of all these persecutions? Bigotry. I would rather sup with an atheist with moral standards that feast with a bigot who has none.

Putative "Christian" bigots act contrary to scripture in the execution of their hatred, for as an apostle of Christ Jesus has written:

"He that sayeth he loves God but hateth his brother is a liar!"

Without hatred there can be no bigotry. With bigotry there can only be hatred. It was not Hitler's love of the Jewish people that made him herd them into cattle trucks and slaughter them. Bigotry should not be tolerated by civilised people, even where they dislike or even hate the targets of someone else's bigotry.

Unbleievers are fond sof pointing out how many millions of millions have been slaughtered in the name of religion,. but their focus is slightly off. it is not religion that calls for hatred and slaughter but bigotry.

The fact is that bigots think they are being religious, even ":Christian," when they are being irreligious, unChristian, and hateful. They are emotionally and socially sick.

It’s pretty easy to spot the religious bigots: they are the ones who consistently and reliably distort the truth in order to attack those who disagree with their authoritarian religious views. Not even obviously false statements are considered too much in the quest to smear others.

Bullittsburg Baptist Assembly Camp in Boone County, Kentucky, is a public accomodation that has been leased to non-Baptist organizations in the past. As such, Kentucky law does not allow the Bullittsburg Camp to discriminate against outside groups in the rental of their property. Camp Quest, the country's first summer camp for the children of secular humanists, leased the camp facilities for a week in 1996 and again in 1997.

Despite some minor problems, relations between Camp Quest and the staff of the Bullittsburg Baptist Assembly Camp were cordial, but it became clear that Camp Quest was not really welcomed at the Baptist facility

The Northern Kentucky Baptist Association (NKBA), a coalition of 66 northern Kentucky Baptist churches that owned the Bullittsburg Camp facility, had been unhappy with the lease arrangement to the secular humanists, feeling imposed upon by Kentuckys public accomodation law.

The NKBA therefore asked Kentucky Representative Tom Kerr (D-Kenton), a fellow Baptist and member of the NKBA Pro Bono Panel, to amend the law to permit the churches to refuse to rent their public, for-rent, camp ground accommodation to organisations that held beliefs they opposed.

Christian theologian Kelton Cobb promotes the controversial notion that "there is a violent recessive gene in every religious tradition." That is, a tendency to exist is lurking beneath the surface of sweet smiling Christians who talk as if butter wouldn't melt intheir mouths. When that tendency to violence stops lurking and emerges, the Bigot is born.

John Wesley's 38th sermon is a caution against bigotry. He would not need to preach agsinst it if he had not witnessed it among the faithful. The tendency is there, but like all heinous sins it must be curbed, and the true Christian will curb it. Those who do no0t curb their inherenmt bhigotry but give it full rein are among those to whom the Saviour will say, "Depart from me, you evildoer. I never knew you!"

Bigotry is alive and well in the world, but it cannot thrive in a Christian because bigotry and the Holy Spirit cannot dwell toghether. One has to go and one has to stay, and the bigot must make the choice which stays and which he casts out.

Some examples of bigotry:

Bumper sticker by Harbor House Gifts of Fullerton CA.

"Truth, not tolerance." The bumper sticker also shows a clenched fist on the left side and a Christian cross on the right. "

George H.W. Bush, (R) as Presidential Nominee for the Republican party; 1987-AUG-27:

"No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

Josh McDowell, at a Youth for Christ rally in 1994:

"Tolerance is the worst roar of all, including tolerance for homosexuals, feminists, and religions that don't follow Christ."

Pat Robertson, New York Magazine, 1986-AUG-18:

"It is interesting, that termites don't build things, and the great builders of our nation almost to a man have been Christians, because Christians have the desire to build something. He is motivated by love of man and God, so he builds. The people who have come into (our) institutions (today) are primarily termites. They are into destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions, that we have.... The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has arrived for a godly fumigation."

Pat Robertson, Fundamentalist Christian minister, on The 700 Club, 1991-JAN-14:

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."

Andrew Sandlin, writing for the Chalcedon Foundation, calls for Christian believers to pray to God to exterminate those who think differently from themselves:

"God extends his grace to his people (and mankind in general) when he destroys the wicked, because in destroying the wicked, he is averting their evil works that so plague God's children and mankind in general. When he maims and kills cultists and theological liberals, he prevents the spread of heretical doctrine that damns souls...God's judgment -- not his favor -- leads the world to righteousness. We should petition God's judgment on the wicked because judgment is a form of grace."

Randall Terry, Founder of Operation Rescue. Reported by the News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, IN, 1993-AUG-16:

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

Who's on the Lord's side, who?
Now is the time to show.

Certain it is that bigots are not on the Lord's side, and God is not on their side.

Whose side are you on?



Laura answered on 09/25/06:

Well.....Jesus said to love. Jesus said to forgive. Jesus said to repent. Jesus said alot of things. One thing that Jesus always stood for was the "truth" of His Father God and in His mission to bring salvation to "anyone" willing to acknowledge His sacrafice. "I am the way and the truth and the life..NO one comes to the Father except by me" Jesus words.....I don't recall Him speaking much about tollerence.. There is a fine line there.. Too much tollerence can cost one's soul it's salvation.

Am I understanding you correctly when you equate tollerence with bigotry?

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peddler7118 asked on 09/21/06 - Necessary for salvation or damnation?

As most Mormons know, the temple endowment is essential for salvation and was written by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young through "direct divine revelation." Even more pure in divine form than the Book of Mormon, the temple ceremonies are untainted sources of true Mormon Doctrine.

For well over one hundred years, the temple endowment included a Protestant minister character (wearing a collar) that was in the employ of Satan.

For those of us who took our temple covenants prior to 1990 when the minister character disappeared from the endowment, how many of us were shocked or offended by the portrayal of the minister or his removal from the newer version? [The Protestant minister was removed in the new 1990 version of the Mormon Endowment ceremony that take place in Mormon Temples. His role in the endowment is below - word by word as it was in the pre-1990 temple ceremony]

If the endowment teaches important truths, then why were these plain and precious teachings removed?


ADAM: I am looking for messengers.

LUCIFER: Oh, you want someone to preach to you. You want religion, do you? I will have preachers here presently.

(Lucifer turns his head as a PROTESTANT minister approaches.)

LUCIFER: Good Morning sir!

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Good morning!

(The preacher turns and looks into the camera.)

PROTESTANT MINISTER: A fine congregation!

LUCIFER: Yes, they are a very good people. They are concerned about religion. Are you a preacher?

PROTESTANT MINISTER: I am.

LUCIFER: Have you been to college and received training for the ministry?

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Certainly! A man cannot preach unless has been trained for the ministry.

LUCIFER: Do you preach the orthodox religion?

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Yes, that is what I preach.

LUCIFER: If you will preach your orthodox religion to these people, and convert them, I will pay you well.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: I will do my best.

(Lucifer guides the preacher to Adam and Eve, who stand nearby.)

LUCIFER: Here is a man who desires religion. He is very much exercised, and seems to be sincere.

(As Lucifer presents the preacher to Adam and Eve he steps back and observes the ensuing conversation. The preacher is made to sound sincere, although misguided and credulous. Adam appears humble, faithful and immovable in his determination to serve God. He is not swayed by the preacher, and is astounded by the doctrines espoused by the preacher.)

PROTESTANT MINISTER: I understand that you are inquiring after religion.

ADAM: I was calling upon Father.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: I am glad to know that you were calling upon Father. Do you believe in a God who is without body, parts, or passions; who sits on the top of a topless throne; whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere; who fills the universe, and yet is so small that he can dwell in your heart; who is surrounded by myriads of beings who have been saved by grace, not for any act of theirs, but by His good pleasure. Do you believe in such a great Being?

ADAM: I do not. I cannot comprehend such a being.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: That is the beauty of it. Perhaps you do not believe in a devil, and in that great hell, the bottomless pit, where there is a lake of fire and brimstone into which the wicked are cast, and where they are continually burning, but none never consumed?

ADAM: I do not believe in any such place.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: My dear friend, I am sorry for you.

LUCIFER: I am sorry, very very sorry! What is it you want?

ADAM: I am looking for messengers from my Father.

(The scene changes to a view of the Celestial Kingdom, where Elohim reigns from a white throne affront tall white pillars. He is radiant as before, and his voice resonates as he speaks with Jehovah, who stands before him. He commands Jehovah to send down Peter, James and John)

PETER: Good morning.

LUCIFER: Good morning gentlemen.

PETER: What are you doing here?

LUCIFER: Teaching religion.

PETER: What religion do you teach?

LUCIFER: We teach a religion made of the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.

PETER: How is your religion received by this community?

LUCIFER: Very well--excepting this man. He does not seem to believe anything we preach.

(Peter, James and John approach Adam and Eve.)

PETER: Good morning. What do you think of the preaching of these gentlemen?

ADAM: I cannot comprehend it.

PETER: Can you give us some idea concerning it?

ADAM: They preach of a God who is without body, parts, or passions; who is so large that he fills the universe, and yet is so small that he can dwell in your heart; and of a hell, without a bottom, where the wicked are continually burned but are never consumed. To me, it is a mass of confusion.

PETER: We do not wonder that you cannot comprehend such doctrine. Have you any tokens or signs?

(Lucifer steps up to the side of Peter and interjects his query.)

LUCIFER: Do you have any money?

PETER: We have sufficient for our needs.

LUCIFER: You can buy anything in this world for money.

PETER: Do you sell your tokens or signs for money? You have them, I presume.

ADAM: I have them, but I do not sell them for money. I hold them sacred. I am looking for the further light and knowledge Father promised to send me.

PETER: That is right. We commend you for your integrity. Good day. We shall probably visit you again.

(Peter, James and John exit; Lucifer stares into the camera.)

LUCIFER: Now is the great day of my power. I reign from the rivers to the ends of the earth. There is none who dares to molest, or make me afraid.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Shall we ever have any apostles or prophets?

LUCIFER: No. However, there may be some who will profess revelation or apostleship. If so, just test them by asking that they perform a great miracle, such as cutting off an arm or some other member of the body, and restoring it, so that the people may know that they have come with power.

(The scene changes to the Celestial Kingdom. Peter, James, and John approach Jehovah with their report.)

PETER: Jehovah, we have visited the man Adam in the Telestial World as thou didst command us. We found Satan there, with his ministers, preaching all manner of false doctrine, and striving to lead the posterity of Adam astray. But Adam has been true and faithful to the token and sign given him in the Garden of Eden, and is waiting for the further light and knowledge you promised to send him. This is our report.

.....

(The scene changes again to the lone and dreary world. The three Apostles boldly approach Lucifer.)

PETER: I am Peter.

JAMES: I am James.

JOHN: I am John.

LUCIFER: Yes, I thought I knew you. (He turns to his Preacher.) Do you know who these men are? They claim to be apostles. Try them!

(The Preacher approaches Peter.)

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Do you profess to be an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ?

PETER: We do.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: This man told me that we should never have any revelation or apostles, but if any should come professing to be apostles, I was to ask them to cut off an arm or some other member of the body and the restore it, so that the people might know that they came with power.

PETER: We do not satisfy men's curiosity in that manner. It is a wicked and an adulterous generation that seeks for a sign. Do you know who that man is? He is Satan!

PROTESTANT MINISTER: What? The Devil?

PETER: That is one of his names.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: He is quite a different person from what he told me the devil is. He said the devil has claws like a bear's on his hands, horns on his head, and a cloven foot, and that when he speaks he has the roar of a lion!

PETER: He has said this to deceive you, and I would advise you to get out of his employ.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: Your advise is good; but, if I leave his employ, what will become of me?

PETER: We will preach the gospel unto you, with the rest of Adam's posterity.

PROTESTANT MINISTER: That is good. (He turns to Lucifer) I would like to have a settlement. I want you to pay me for preaching.

LUCIFER: I am ready to keep my word and fulfill my part of the agreement. I promised to pay you if you would convert these people, and they have nearly converted you! You can get out of my kingdom, I want no such men in it! (As the preacher turns sadly and leaves Lucifer approaches Peter) Now, what are you going to do?

PETER: We will dismiss you without further argument.

Laura answered on 09/21/06:

I too am surprised at the Morman inference that you have made about yourself....The use of "protestant" in this so called story is to try to show that only the Morman view is the correct one. This is really pitiful all the way around. Now I'm depressed.

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kindj asked on 09/19/06 - Rosie O'Donnell and my agenda

I didn't write this, but oh, how I wish I had! All I can add is that these are my sentiments exactly:
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Confessing my "Radical Agenda" to Rosie O'Donnell
Dave Burchett


When I was younger you knew exactly when a celebrity's career had peaked and had begun to spiral slowly downward. That career reversal could be duly noted when a one-time big star was booked on The Love Boat.

So it is with some reluctance that I address the brouhaha surrounding the comments by talk show host Rosie O'Donnell. I am reluctant to discuss this because I think that Rosie is in the Love Boat phase of her career. To be fair, she has forged a career that garners her national attention. My career has made me a household name only in my household. Nonetheless, her comments conveyed a common misconception (make that "lie") about the "agenda" of Christians in this country. Here is what the always genteel Rosie had to say during a recent episode of The View:

"Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have separation of church and state."

Perhaps part of the problem is a lack of clarity in definition. Unfortunately the sacred name of "Christian" has been compromised. People who clearly do not follow the directives of Christ are still reported as Christians in many media stories. And frankly, many have taken the name on themselves who are not representing Christ in their lives or beliefs. So when Rosie throws out the term "radical Christianity," I really don't know what or who she is talking about. If she is talking about the millions of people in this country who call themselves "born-again" or Evangelical Christians then I believe she is sadly misinformed.

The predictable (and likely hoped-for outrage) is happening. Already there are calls from Christian organizations requesting her removal from the show. Some are demanding that Rosie apologize. Regular readers of these humble ramblings know that I take a different approach to situations like this. I don't call for boycotts or dismissals. I suspect ratings will take care of this particular situation. Instead I look to stick my foot in the cultural debate door that controversies like this inevitably open to discuss my faith. I was disappointed when The Book of Daniel was cancelled so quickly because I was having a field day sharing my beliefs with others because of that truly bad television show.

And now, because of this incident, I am willing to totally outline my "agenda" for Rosie O'Donnell. Am I a radical Christian? By my definition I would like to be, but I am still trying to get there. My definition of a radical Christian is one who lives everyday trying to become more like Jesus. That makes you pretty darn radical in this self-absorbed and materialistic culture.

I had written an earlier post after I had been outed by an internet blogger as being "apparently religious" in my viewpoints. I was stunned at his intellectual prowess in figuring out that a blog called "Confessions of a Bad Christian" was written from a religious perspective. How did I ever get discovered? I thought my cover was airtight! At that time I wrote about my agenda and those words are appropriate today.

When I became aware that word of my Evangelical Christianity was out, I went to the secret underground bunker where we all meet to plan how to advance our agenda...

"I have been Valerie Plumed!" I told the group.
"They know?", they asked.
"I'm afraid so. Should I come clean?"
They looked horrified. "You mean tell them your agenda?"
"Yes," I said boldly. "I am going to lay out my entire agenda so there will be no doubt."

So here it is. I certainly don't speak for all Evangelical Christians, but I think I just might represent a number of them. Rosie, I am coming clean. Here is what I believe and my entire agenda:

I believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I believe the Bible is the inspired and authoritative Word of God. I believe in the deity of Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, His sinless life, and miracles. I believe in His atoning death, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and in His personal return in power and glory. I believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life.
Let me tell you what this particular evangelical Christian does not believe...

I do not believe you have to be a Republican to be a Christian, despite accusations to the contrary by some of my critics. Like it or not, heaven will be bipartisan and I am totally fine that there will not be sides of the golden aisles.
I do not believe that God is "judging" America for any particular sin. But if He is judging this country I would suspect it is for the massive squandering of wealth and resources that we have been blessed with while giving back an average of less than three percent.
I do not believe in ranking sins for their offensiveness. Some things are more offensive to us but all sin is equally intolerable to a Holy God.
I do not believe that censorship, boycotts, or politics will redeem this culture... only a spiritual renewal can accomplish such redemption.
I do not believe that it is my place to relish or desire eternal punishment for others. I am willing to leave that to a righteous and just God who sees the real heart and motives for each one of us and Who will judge justly.
And finally, here is my complete agenda.

To try and see everyone through the eyes of Jesus because my eyes are prejudiced and prideful.
To try and love them like Jesus because my love is selfish.
To let others know that my relationship with Jesus has changed my life, given my life purpose, given me strength to endure tragedy, and real hope for the future.
To authentically relate how this personal relationship with the living God saved my marriage and made me a better father to my sons.
To be gentle in relating the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ to people in every situation and mired in any sin. My goal is to introduce them to Jesus and let them work out their salvation in fear and trembling.
To exhibit grace and forgiveness to those who attack me for not sharing their views.
To be an example of the living Christ to everyone I come in contact so that I can be salt and light to my little circle of influence.
To be an advocate for those wounded by the church and other Christians. Our lack of unity must grieve the Lord who prayed for unity of the body during His final agonizing hours before His betrayal, mock trial, and crucifixion.
To try to never be surprised or repulsed by the actions of those who do not have a relationship with Jesus. The Lord Himself was always gentle with sinners and always tough on religious hypocrites. We have reversed his example far too often. We are too tough on sinners and too gentle with the hypocrites.
To try and give generously of my time and treasure to those who have not been as materially blessed in my neighborhood, my country, and around the world.
To let people know that I love Jesus and I am not at all ashamed of that fact.
In short, I am praying to be a "troublesome" Christian. It is easy to dismiss the hypocrite. No problem to ignore the angry and judgmental religious types. But I was troubled when I saw some Christians who displayed something different in their lives. I could not dismiss so readily the joy, peace, strength, courage, and love they modeled. They were "troublesome" Christians to me. I could not ignore them because their lives were authentic and different (different good, not weird). I want to be that kind of Christian. That is my agenda. Sorry if I have disappointed you conspiracy types. But I have come completely clean with you. My entire agenda is to be a "troublesome" Christian because Jesus is transforming my life every day. My prayer for Rosie O'Donnell is that she meets one of these troublesome Christians and then that she encounters Jesus.

That's it. End of agenda. That's all I've got in the radical agenda bag. I am so relieved that you finally know the truth.

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Dave Burchett is an Emmy Award winning television sports director, author, and Christian speaker. He is the author of When Bad Christians Happen to Good People and Bring ’em Back Alive – A Healing Plan for those Wounded by the Church.You can reply by linking through daveburchett.com

Laura answered on 09/19/06:

Maybe i'm just getting used to it. Last night on Studio 60 at the beginning there was a big tudoo by one cast member who was having a tirade and he made some off the wall comment about Christians just before the show was "cut" from live air. This of course was fiction but it's everywhere. Christians are bashed every day by someone somewhere. I personally think it's a sign of the times and of the last days.

I watched the view that day and I don't doubt that most of those women wouldn't admit it but they feel the same way.. That's Hollywood for ya.

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MaggieB asked on 09/17/06 - Prayer needed for friend.

Hi, Most of us know "Bobbye" who has been on the boards with us since 2000. Well, she has had an accident and has a broken wrist and broken elbow.
Please lift her up in prayer that she may be healed and about her Father's business.

God bless,
MaggieB

Laura answered on 09/17/06:

My prayers are with Bobbye Maggie. May He ease the pain and heal her wounds. In Jesus name. Whatever the problem is with her fathers business I lift the situation up to the Lord. May His peace as well as wisdom be upon the family. Amen.

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peddler7118 asked on 09/14/06 - Is the Old Testament still relevant?

Lately I have met Christians that say most Christians don't really believe it, do you?

Laura answered on 09/15/06:

Old Testament prophesy points directly to the Christ of the New!

I think part of the problem with some is that they don't know if the Old Testament is "litteral" or otherwise. Could it be a little of both? If so, what is litteral and what isn't. So, some decide that it's not worth trying to figure out.

I love the Psalms and Proverbs. I love the stories of Noah and Abraham and Moses and all the other great stories that the Old Testament tells. Every single story has a point and a meaning. I love how prophesies in the Old Testament reveal to me my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Even though I may not understand everything, I still think the Old Testament is very relevent.

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HANK1 asked on 09/14/06 - POWER:



What would you do if you had the POWER of
GOD?



HANK

Laura answered on 09/14/06:

Wouldn't EVEN want that responsibility Hank..No way I could handle it properly.

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Judgment_Day asked on 09/11/06 - Jesus is my personal Lord and Saviour!



Is Jesus your personal Lord and Saviour?



He is the First and Last,
The Beginning and the End!


He is the keeper of Creation and the Creator of all!
He is the Architect of the universe and the Manager of all times.
He always was, He always is, and He always will be ...
unmoved, Unchanged, Undefeated, and never Undone!



He was bruised and brought healing!
He was pierced and eased pain!
He was persecuted and brought freedom!
He was dead and brought life!
He is risen and brings power!
He reigns and brings Peace!
The world can't understand him,
The armies can't defeat Him,
The schools can't explain Him, and The leaders can't ignore Him.
Herod couldn't kill Him, The Pharisees couldn't confuse Him, and The people couldn't hold Him!
Nero couldn't crush Him, Hitler couldn't silence Him,
The New Age can't replace Him, and "Oprah" can't explain Him away!



He is light, love, longevity, and Lord.
He is goodness, Kindness, Gentleness, and God.
He is Holy, Righteous, mighty, powerful, and pure.




His ways are right,
His word is eternal,
His will is unchanging, and His mind is on me.
He is my Savior,
He is my guide, and He is my peace!
He is my Joy,
He is my comfort,
He is my Lord, and He rules my life!



I serve Him because His bond is love,
His burden is light, and His goal for me is abundant life.

I follow Him because He is the wisdom of the wise,
the power of the powerful,
the ancient of days, the ruler of rulers, the leader of leaders, the overseer of the overcomers, and is to come. And if that seems impressive to you, try this for size.



His goal is a relationship with ME!
He will never leave me,
never forsake me,
never mislead me,
never forget me,
never overlook me and
never cancel my appointment in His appointment book!



When I fall, He lifts me up!
When I fail, He forgives!
When I am weak, He is strong!
When I am lost, He is the way!
When I am afraid, He is my courage!
When I stumble, He steadies me!
When I am hurt, He heals me!
When I am broken, He mends me!
When I am blind, He leads me!
When I am hungry, He feeds me!
When I face trials, He is with me!
When I face persecution, He shields me!
When I face problems, He comforts me!
When I face loss, He provides for me!
When I face Death, He carries me Home!




He is everything for everybody everywhere, every time, and every way.

He is God, He is faithful. I am His, and He is mine!

My Father in heaven can whip the father of this world.
So, if you're wondering why I feel so secure, understand this...

He said it and that settles it.
God is in control, I am on His side,
and that means all is well with my soul.




Laura answered on 09/11/06:

This is surely the message of the day. Jesus is my personal Lord and Savior too JD. The world needs to know Him!

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isizathu asked on 09/08/06 - Why enforce YOUR values on someone else? ...........

Believe in your religion all the way you prefer : no problem!
If you want to follow God's words (as per the bible), just do so.

Do same sex marriages in any way force you to change your belief, your religious feelings, or your sexual preference?
If so : WHY?
If not : than why can't (fundamental) Christians leave Final Judgement over to God and spend their time on improving their own relation with God, instead of trying to judge others who have different views, and enforce own Christian views on others?

It's not that these Christians try to warn such others (that would be part of their belief system).
But they actively try this way to prevent the State to allow others to live along their own partly non-Christian views.

Christianity is that way becoming a synonym for intolerance ....

Any comments?

:)



 

Laura answered on 09/08/06:

I don't understand why you feel the need to ask such a question. You already know the answer. If a person professes Christianity as outlined in the Bible and accepts the God of the Bible and His Christ then he has a mandate by God to not only spread the Gospel but to do his level best to warn others of the consequences of sin. That is, if he loves mankind as much as God does. You know this....So why do you ask?

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arcura asked on 09/08/06 - Here is the secularist stand on same sex marriage.

Do you agree with it?
If not what is your rebuttal?
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Beyond Same-Sex Marriage: A New Strategic Vision For All Our Families and Relationships

Executive Summary (click here to read the full statement)

The time has come to reframe the narrow terms of the marriage debate in the United States. Conservatives are seeking to enshrine discrimination in the U.S. Constitution through the Federal Marriage Amendment. But their opposition to same-sex marriage is only one part of a broader pro-marriage, “family values” agenda that includes abstinence-only sex education, stringent divorce laws, coercive marriage promotion policies directed toward women on welfare, and attacks on reproductive freedom. Moreover, a thirty-year political assault on the social safety net has left households with more burdens and constraints and fewer resources.

Meanwhile, the LGBT movement has recently focused on marriage equality as a stand-alone issue. While this strategy may secure rights and benefits for some LGBT families, it has left us isolated and vulnerable to a virulent backlash. We must respond to the full scope of the conservative marriage agenda by building alliances across issues and constituencies. Our strategies must be visionary, creative, and practical to counter the right's powerful and effective use of marriage as a “wedge” issue that pits one group against another. The struggle for marriage rights should be part of a larger effort to strengthen the stability and security of diverse households and families. To that end, we advocate:

Ø Legal recognition for a wide range of relationships, households and families – regardless of kinship or conjugal status.

Ø Access for all, regardless of marital or citizenship status, to vital government support programs including but not limited to health care, housing, Social Security and pension plans, disaster recovery assistance, unemployment insurance and welfare assistance.

Ø Separation of church and state in all matters, including regulation and recognition of relationships, households and families.

Ø Freedom from state regulation of our sexual lives and gender choices, identities and expression.

Marriage is not the only worthy form of family or relationship, and it should not be legally and economically privileged above all others. A majority of people – whatever their sexual and gender identities – do not live in traditional nuclear families. They stand to gain from alternative forms of household recognition beyond one-size-fits-all marriage. For example:

· Single parent households

· Senior citizens living together and serving as each other’s caregivers (think Golden Girls)

· Blended and extended families

· Children being raised in multiple households or by unmarried parents

· Adult children living with and caring for their parents

· Senior citizens who are the primary caregivers to their grandchildren or other relatives

· Close friends or siblings living in non-conjugal relationships and serving as each other’s primary support and caregivers

· Households in which there is more than one conjugal partner

· Care-giving relationships that provide support to those living with extended illness such as HIV/AIDS.

The current debate over marriage, same-sex and otherwise, ignores the needs and desires of so many in a nation where household diversity is the demographic norm. We seek to reframe this debate. Our call speaks to the widespread hunger for authentic and just community in ways that are both pragmatic and visionary. It follows in the best tradition of the progressive LGBT movement, which invented alternative legal statuses such as domestic partnership and reciprocal beneficiary. We seek to build on these historic accomplishments by continuing to diversify and democratize partnership and household recognition. We advocate the expansion of existing legal statuses, social services and benefits to support the needs of all our households.

We call on colleagues working in various social justice movements and campaigns to read the full-text of our statement “Beyond Same-Sex Marriage: A New Strategic Vision,” and to join us in our call for government support of all our households.

Laura answered on 09/08/06:

While I disagree with same sex marriage, I certainly do believe that some of the "family situations" mentioned above deserve special attention. Not in the form of any type of "marriage" but for tax purposes, insurance etc. Yes I do:

Single parent households

Senior citizens living together and serving as each other’s caregivers (think Golden Girls)

Adult children living with and caring for their parents

Senior citizens who are the primary caregivers to their grandchildren or other relatives

Care-giving relationships that provide support to those living with extended illness such as HIV/AIDS.

I could think of others as well. This is a different world and yet in some ways we are being forced to go back to some of the ways that it used to be. For example, today many young people with children can't make it on their own. Insurance and daycare and other expenses are so high that some are forced to move back home with mom and dad.

Another, mom and dad don't have the security blanket of a pension that they worked for all their lives anymore. It has been swiped out from underneath them and they are forced to depend upon their children in their old age. This is happening to thousands of americans today as the courts are allowing big coorperations to drop their pension plans in bankruptsy thereby basically screwing the poor Joe who worked all his life and counted on that pension. He'll be lucky if he sees half of what he thought he would and he won't see any medical at all.

And who knows what is going to happen to social security in the coming years..All I've got to say is that if you are younger than 40 you better be thinking about another way to support yourself in your old age..Heck..Even if you are 50..Pensions are a thing of the past for almost everyone.


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MaggieB asked on 09/06/06 - On Denominationalism


On Denominationalism

The story is told of five men sitting around a potbellied stove, arguing about which is the "right" religion-- which offers the great assurance of salvation. It was a fruitless discussion because no one could agree.

Finally they turned to a wise old fellow who had been sitting in the corner, listening.

"Gentlemen," he said, "when the cotton is picked, there are several ways to get it to the gin. We can take the northern route-- it's longer but the road is better. Or we can take the southern route, which is shorter but filled with chuckholes. Or we can go over the mountain, even though it's more perilous.

When we reach the gin, though, the man doesn't ask which way we came." He simple asks, "Brother, how good is your cotton?"

Laura answered on 09/06/06:

isizathu, I would think by now that you would learn that your comments are offensive to Christians. I'm sure you don't care. You know darn well that Maggie was referring to salvations issues and most certainly she was referring to the nature of Christianity.

To the Christian God is very relevant. You can think whatever you wish, but it's not right to make something that a person has written appear different than what was meant. It is offensive to me anyway when you twist a Christians words around to suit your biggoted anti Christian babble.


"It's irrelevant if there is a god or which god is the "right" god.

What is important is what do you do with your life, and what do you mean to others.

That could be the description of a Secular Humanist!"

Those are your words alone. Not Maggies! And by the way, there's no truth in your words.

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isizathu asked on 09/02/06 - Heaven and Hell

 

Another (modified) post found on the internet : Food for thought!

If after you die your soul goes "up" towards Final Judgement ....

A soul exists outside space and time, so how can it be subjected to the physical pleasure or torment, as so many Christians seem to think?

It is interesting to read Jewish Hassidic philosophy because their concept of heaven and hell is a lot more theologically sound.
According to the Lubavitchers (don't hold me to this for other denominations) "hell" is merely a soul "seeing" God in His full glory, yet not being able to be in union with him.

A bit like a kid on Christmas morning locked outside his house in the cold outside, while his parents and his siblings sit inside by the fire opening presents without noticing he is missing. You see everyone being so happy and you feel like you belong, yet they don't notice you are missing and are carrying on perfectly fine without you.

On the other hand heaven is just the opposite, a soul's complete union with god and a feeling of spiritual bliss.
I think this is a lot more realistic and theologically sound (if there is a heaven and hell).

How do you "see" Heaven and Hell?

 

Laura answered on 09/03/06:

Heaven is all that God says in His Word that it will be. We cannot really even fathom what God has in store for those who have faith in Him.

I think you gave a good example of hell.

What could be worse than knowing that you could have been in the eternal presence of God but that you rejected the offer and instead are eternally seperated from Him, which would mean being eternally seperated from love. And to boot you could see heaven but that is all you would ever have of it....

I can only imagine the envy that a person would hold in his heart at such a sight..

The anger and with that eventually would come an attitude of pride because after all a person would have an eternity to think about it...Over and over again his mind would try to justify his decision but to no avail.

You would lust after all that those with God have (inner peace of mind and eternal love with the Father) and you don't.

In your greediness to get back at God you would devise and plot in your loveless heart how you could possibly get back at Him and his followers...

Eventually laziness would take hold because your mind would tire of the burden..But remember you have the devil to keep you company. He would remind you every day of your chosen willfull loss..You would over fill your empty soul with hate all the days of that eternity.

Thinking of hell in such a way....certainly would not require anything physical. But the mind, yes...The eternal fire of a life without love and seperated by God would burn in your mind..It would be unquenchable. With a hell like this who would need litteral fire.

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isizathu asked on 09/03/06 - How about some support for Creation?

 

puddles has over the last week been very busy trying to plant here the impression that something is very wrong with the Evolution Theory. Unfortunately for puddles I have so far refuted all the arguments that were posted here as lies, exaggurations and/or misrepresentations of reality.

Although I have asked puddles now several times, no supporting data has been forthcoming for puddles prefered alternative, the godly creation.
That is : other than from bible quotes (which - as far as I know - is not accepted as scientific evidence, something puddles demand from those who support evolution.

So is godly creation perhaps just a religious myth?

Can anyone on this board provide any supported evidence for godly creation, other than by belief and/or faith ?

If not, would it not be wiser to stop attacking the Evolution Theory, as that shows the emptiness of the creationist pounding on evolution, and the actual total lack of support for the creationist alternative?

Believe whatever you like to believe, no problem !
But don't attack a scientific based and partly supported theory, while you can not support your own prefered alternative in any way.

Comments?

 

Laura answered on 09/03/06:

Hmmm. I didn't know that the "theory" of evolution was anything other than just that....a theory and STILL called such because it cannot be proven.

Any belief in it is based on presumption of truth..Kinda like those of us who believe certains things on faith.

Is Godly creation perhaps just a religious myth? God calls it a fact. Christians believe that fact by faith. IMO we (Christians and others who believe in intelligent design) are standing on much stronger ground.

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isizathu asked on 08/29/06 - Protect US ALL from guys like this .......

 

Of the previous 4 posts by the same person only one contained the word Christian, though none of them - included the "dress code" topic - had any real Christian content in it at all.

Yes I know that also children of Christians have to be protected.
Yes I know that some Christians also drowned.
Yes I know that some students are Christian.
Yes I know that also Christians get bombed.

But isn't the intention of the Christianity Board to post real Christian content? (i.e. questions and answers which have a real reference to Christianity)
And if you have nothing appropriate to say, just do that! Say nothing here!
It seems more to become a case of "Protect US ALL from guys like this ......."

Or is it a trend? Should we all post whatever seems interesting to any of us?
In that case maybe we should all start doing that too. Preferably by C&P, to keep the post value and reliability also as low as possible and unsupported ....

Any comments?

:)

 

Laura answered on 08/29/06:

You are about a million times more annoying than Fred could ever be but I would never suggest censureship for you......like starting with this post!

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arcura asked on 08/28/06 - Are Christians in support of school dress codes?

You think I’m kidding about the dress code?
Indiana principal suspends 128 students for inappropriate attire on first day
The Associated Press

Updated: 12:02 a.m. CT Aug 28, 2006

HAMMOND, Ind. - Classrooms were a little less crowded at Morton High School on the first day of classes: 128 students were sent home for wearing the wrong clothes.

Fed up with inappropriate outfits, the principal suspended the students for one day Wednesday, minutes after doors opened at the school. Those suspended represent more than 10 percent of the 1,200 total students.

The offending attire — including baggy pants, low-cut shirts, tank tops and graphic T-shirts — are banned from classrooms. Students were also cited for cell phone use.

"This was the worst year I've seen in a long time," said Principal Theresa Mayerik. "It's gotten out of control, and we needed to send a message that we're not messing around."

The Hammond school usually has 20 dress code violations a day.

Mayerik said the infraction would be removed from students' records in 12 weeks if they had no other in-school violations.

School board members said they support Mayerik and the mass suspensions. "I'd be supportive if half the school was sent home, because 99 percent will get the message our schools are for education," board President Rebecca Ward said.

Laura answered on 08/29/06:

Not that anybody should be so gullible as to be taken in by the media and telvision and movies but teens are. They see high schools depicted as a place where you can wear what you want!!Hello!! They forget that their own high school is the "real" world. Where are thier guardians?, the one's responsible for seeing that they follow the rules. If parents aren't paying attention, they're wasting their money at the malls buying clothes for kids that can't be worn. I agree with the majority of dress codes.

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Coup_de_Grace asked on 08/21/06 - Baptist Minister Fires Female Sunday School Teacher

Church Fires Teacher for Being Female

WATERTOWN, N.Y. (Aug. 21) - The minister of a church that dismissed a female Sunday School teacher after adopting what it called a literal interpretation of the Bible says a woman can perform any job - outside of the church.

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The First Baptist Church dismissed Mary Lambert on Aug. 9 with a letter explaining that the church had adopted an interpretation that prohibits women from teaching men. She had taught there for 54 years.

The letter quoted the first epistle to Timothy: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

The Rev. Timothy LaBouf, who also serves on the Watertown City Council, issued a statement saying his stance against women teaching men in Sunday school would not affect his decisions as a city leader in Watertown, where all five members of the council are men but the city manager who runs the city's day-to-day operations is a woman.


"I believe that a woman can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that she desires to" outside of the church, LaBouf wrote Saturday.

Mayor Jeffrey Graham, however, was bothered by the reasons given Lambert's dismissal.

"If what's said in that letter reflects the councilman's views, those are disturbing remarks in this day and age," Graham said. "Maybe they wouldn't have been disturbing 500 years ago, but they are now."

Lambert has publicly criticized the decision, but the church did not publicly address the matter until Saturday, a day after its board met.

In a statement, the board said other issues were behind Lambert's dismissal, but it did not say what they were."

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Pathetic, just pathetic.


Any comments?

Laura answered on 08/21/06:

I've heard of certain faiths not allowing women to be preachers or priests but never have I heard of a church not allowing women to be teachers...until now. I don't see how Christian churches, Catholic or protestant (nuns teach as well as lay females in both denominations) could get by without women teachers! I would like to know their scripture reference for such an action.

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EdwardTeach asked on 08/21/06 - OUTRAGEOUS DISGUSTING

Madonna did it the Crucifixion in Germany and the Germans will not hang her. What kind of Christians are they over there? What does your Christianity tell you she should be happened to?

Laura answered on 08/21/06:

She did the same thing in Italy. The pope wanted her excommunicated as she was raised Catholic and was never excommunicated. Should we have her burned at the stake or let God be her judge?.. I think the latter. I doubt that she would be in my circle of friends anyway. If she was, I would tell her that her actions are dispicable, but that would only be my opinion, not a judgement or sentence.

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TTRalph asked on 08/21/06 - Just asking for opinions.

For the future of Christianity, as a viable religion, do you consider it more important to acknowledge the alleged errors and contradictions in the Bible, thereby removing a HUGE stumbling block for many non-believers, or insist that EVERY word of the Bible is the inerrant, inspired word of God, thereby insuring that a major part of the population of the world will NEVER take it seriously?

I realize there is no definitive answer to this, so I am merely soliciting your opinions. Do not offer Biblical quotes...that would be as usefull as putting the cart before the horse.

Laura answered on 08/21/06:

Mr. TTRalph...YOU keep on saying that the Bible is in err. But you have not shown ANY proof except what you as an imperfect being has percieved as err. Show me concrete...without any doubt.....ERR in the Word of God, and I MIGHT consider replying to your misguided opinion of the Word of God. Laura P.s. The problem with my challenge is that "I" like "you" am imperfect and while you do not trust in God...I do....This is where we part ways. Who is going to back down from their belief system? Surely not ME...Are YOU?

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peddler7118 asked on 08/20/06 - The gay gene?

No evidence for ‘homosexual gene’
One of the biggest studies to date investigating whether there is a genetic cause of homosexuality has failed to find any evidence for the existence of a so-called ‘gay gene’. The research team, led by Dr George Rice of Canada’s University of Western Ontario, initiated the study.

It followed the earlier sensational claims of self-confessed homosexual Dr Dean Hamer and his team in 1993 purporting to have found a genetic link to homosexuality. Several years of frenzied research aimed at isolating the ‘homosexual gene’ proved fruitless.

Now Dr Rice’s team, using a much larger study sample and sophisticated genetic tests, has found no evidence at all of any link between this marker and sexual orientation.

The Independent, (U.K.), April 23, 1999, p. 5.
Science, April 23, 1999, pp. 571, 665–667.

Laura answered on 08/20/06:

Is there anything that God says in His Word that is sin that has been proven by science that a human being is unable to control?

God says that being a drunkard is a sin and yet scientists say that alcoholism is a disease and even possibly genetic in nature but one that can be controlled through education, counseling and abstinence. Yet we don't approve of it and we certainly don't encourage it because some doctors say that it may be genitic in nature.

Lusting after another person is a sin in God's eyes, and yet now we have people confessing to being "sex addicts" which apperently excuses them in the eyes of society. But it is another illness that can be controlled with counseling and help.

Liars are sinners and yet we have "compulsive liars" which is linked to several different medical illnesses such as bipolar disorder. This condition can be treated with an 80 percent plus rate if the patient persists and complies by his doctors orders to take their meds and get the conseling they need. So even compulsive liars have avenues in which to control themselves.

What makes homosexuallity so different than any of these other things that God expressly dislikes?

The only difference that I can see is that the homosexual insists that they are not "ill" and that they have no medical disease and that they will do as they please because they cannot "control" their feelings and they feel that they shouldn't have to. It is natural for them. I accept that. They are not ill, they have no medical ills and they can live as they please..

But God still says it is sin.

If God says it's a sin there must be a way to overcome. I can't believe that God would call something "sin" without providing a way to prevent such a sin in one's life.

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isizathu asked on 08/20/06 - Attacking people With Hell Fire? (2)

Refering to "Attacking people With Hell Fire?" by whitefawn_ 08/19/06

One can ask him/herself why people ask questions and then close that same question within a couple of hours when a lively debate develops to that same topic.

Besides that : "I'd rather hurt someone's feelings by telling them the truth here than see them spend eternity in hell" is a personal view that is totally unsupported by any reasoning or evidence.

Does hell exist? My reply to that suggestion is that hell exists next to heaven only between peoples ears, in their brain, resulting from years of fear being implemented by religious brain washing.
So far nobody has been able here to present any logical reasoning towards the existence of either of such locations.

Which is more loving?

  1. To warn someone of an eternity in hell?
  2. To try to warn them so that they can avoid that horrible fate?
  3. To respect other people's personal views and keep your own religious views to yourself?

Do I realy have to state that my view is answer no. 3?

:)

 

Laura answered on 08/20/06:

"So far nobody has been able here to present any logical reasoning towards the existence of either of such locations."

That is because you don't believe the validity of our source. I could tell you to read the new testament for yourself but you probably already have. If you don't believe, you don't believe. It's all a matter of faith. It's also a matter of faith that causes Christians to tell others what the Bible has to say. Because we believe it to be true we have a mandate to tell what we know.

What? Do you think it's "fun"? Do you think anybody who is serious about their faith "likes" telling people some harsh truths? Is that how we get our kicks? You couldn't be more wrong. Both about us and about God.

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CeeBee2 asked on 08/19/06 - Now I've seen it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (rated R)

A married Christian couples' sex toy web site:

Christian Marital Aids

The "About Book22" page says, in part:

"It is our company's policy that the products we sell be purchased for married couples only. As explained in the book of Genesis, God created woman from man's flesh and bone to be his companion. In so doing, he illustrated that in marriage man and woman symbolically become one flesh. A common theme throughout the Bible is sexual purity. One example of this can be found in 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, 'For God wants you to be holy and pure and to keep clear of sexual sin so that each of you will marry in holiness and honor.' We want to encourage God's plan for people to remain sexually pure, that is why we offer our products to married couples only.

Book22 is owned and operated by Kevin and Joy Wilson. We are a Christian couple who have been married for over 11 years now. We have prayed every step of the way for guidance on what products to offer on this site. The Special Order page and many of the products we sell came about by couples sharing their hearts and issues with us. We found that we were naive about different people's sexual hurdles and impairments. Elderly and disabled couples have been open with us on what they would like to see us offer and it has really changed our view of what is 'okay' in the marriage bed. We take a lot of pride in running this business and work as unto the Lord each day."

Laura answered on 08/20/06:

How much do you want to bet that if you ordered from this site they wouldn't ask for your marriage license! People will fall for anything.

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ROLCAM asked on 08/19/06 - Good Representation !!

After living what I felt was a decent" life, my time on earth came to the
end.
The first thing I remember is sitting on a bench in the waiting
room of what I thought to be a court house.
The doors opened and I was instructed to come in and have a seat by the
defense table.
As I looked around I saw the "prosecutor."
He was a villainous looking gent who snarled as he stared at me.
He definitely was the most evil person I have ever seen.
I sat down and looked to my left and there sat My Attorney,
a kind and gentle looking man whose appearance seemed so familiar to me,I
felt I knew Him.
The corner door flew open and there appeared the Judge in full
flowing robes.
He commanded an awesome presence as He moved across the room I couldn't take
my eyes off of Him.
As He took His seat behind the bench, He said, "Let us begin."
The prosecutor rose and said,
"My name is Satan and I am here to show you why this man
belongs in hell."
He proceeded to tell of lies that I told, things that I stole,
and In the past when I cheated others. Satan told of other horrible
Perversions that were once in my life and the more he spoke, the
further down in my seat I sank.
I was so embarrassed that I couldn't look at anyone, even my own Attorney,
as the Devil told of sins that even I had completely
forgotten about.
As upset as I was at Satan for telling all these things about
me, I was equally upset at My Attorney who sat there silently not
Offering any form of defense at all.
I know I had been guilty of those things, but I had done some
good in my life - couldn't that at least equal out part of the harm
I'd done?
Satan finished with a fury and said, "This man belongs in hell,
he is guilty of all that I have charged and there is not a person
who can prove otherwise."
When it was His turn, My Attorney first asked if He might
approach the bench.
The Judge allowed this over the strong objection of Satan,
and beckoned Him to come forward.
As He got up and started walking, I was able to see Him in
His full splendor and majesty.
I realized why He seemed so familiar; this was Jesus
representing me, my Lord and my Savior.
He stopped at the bench and softly said to the Judge, "Hi,
Dad," and then He turned to address the court.
"Satan was correct in saying that this man had sinned,
I won't deny any of these allegations.
And, yes, the wage of sin is death, and this man deserves to be
punished."
Jesus took a deep breath and turned to His Father with
outstretched arms and proclaimed, "However, I died on the cross so that this
person might have eternal life and he has accepted Me as his Savior, so he
is Mine."
My Lord continued with, "His name is written in the book of life
and no one can snatch him from Me.
Satan still does not understand yet.
This man is not to be given justice, but rather mercy."
As Jesus sat down,
He quietly paused, looked at His Father and said,"There is nothing else that
needs to be done.
I've done it all."
The Judge lifted His mighty hand and slammed the gavel down.
The following words bellowed from His lips..
"This man is free."
The penalty for him has already been paid in full.
Case dismissed."
As my Lord led me away, I could hear Satan ranting and raving,
"I won't give up, I will win the next one." I asked Jesus as He gave
me my instructions where to go next, "Have you ever lost a case?"
Christ lovingly smiled and said,
"Everyone that has come to Me and asked Me to represent them
has received the same verdict as you,
~Paid In Full~

Do you have this faith in Jesus ?

Laura answered on 08/19/06:

Yes. The only thing that has saved me is my faith and trust in Jesus.

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peddler7118 asked on 08/18/06 - What you are allowed to believe?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent



THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.



The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.

The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the Bible.

In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions.

They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.

The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”

They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a fundamentalist approach.

“Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others.”

Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt. Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in relations between Jews and Christians.”

As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.

The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew’s and Edinburgh, explain its context.

They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.

The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years, Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. “We have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and ever new.”

A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute animated film, It’s a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said: “There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them go to church regularly.

That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic Christian teaching.”

BELIEVE IT OR NOT

UNTRUE

Genesis ii, 21-22

So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man

Genesis iii, 16

God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”


Matthew xxvii, 25

The words of the crowd: “His blood be on us and on our children.”


Revelation xix,20

And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with brimstone.”


TRUE

Exodus iii, 14

God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”


Leviticus xxvi,12

“I will be your God, and you shall be my people.”


Exodus xx,1-17

The Ten Commandments

Matthew v,7

The Sermon on the Mount

Mark viii,29

Peter declares Jesus to be the Christ

Luke i

The Virgin Birth

John xx,28

Proof of bodily resurrection

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Laura answered on 08/19/06:

The sentence that struck me most was one that we hear so much these days.

"They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”."

God does not change. His commandments haven't changed. The Gospel of Jesus Christ hasen't changed. God does not change with the times and He doesn't lax on the rules because we don't want to follow them. That's all I have to say.

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HANK1 asked on 08/18/06 - A STATEMENT:



I live in America because I like my FREEDOM. That was God's plan for me umpteen years ago.

Why do you live in America ... if you do?

HANK

Laura answered on 08/18/06:

I have wondered how people come to end up living where they are. Why are some born to parents in countries like America and others to poor third world courtries? I was born here and never left.

I've thought about living in another country but have found that it's difficult to do, and the cost of living is higher. Besides, I am an American. I live in a free country.

I do think that those of us who have been blessed to be born in a country like the U.S. should do what they can to help others less fortunate. That starts at home. Let's take care of our poor and our hungry and our homeless and then concentrate on the welfare of other countries. I think it's crazy that American still has so many hungry and homeless and un-insured and we spend so much money on other countries.

Doesn't charity begin at home?

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peddler7118 asked on 08/17/06 - Was Grandma a Nuckle Walker?

5 May 2000

‘Early Man walked on all fours’ proclaims one news headline, while another asks, ‘Did Lucy walk on her knuckles?’ News media releases of the latest scientific ‘discovery’ about human origins1 herald the finding that the fossil ‘Lucy’ (Australopithecus afarensis) has the same wrist anatomy as ‘knuckle-walking’ chimpanzees and gorillas.

Some of the media said this was a surprise to evolutionists, who now have to abandon their theory that ‘our early tree-dwelling ancestors came down from the trees and were already adapted to walking upright.’ But evolutionists who insist that Lucy walked upright have already modified their story to accommodate the new information on Lucy’s wrist anatomy. Refusing to concede anything other than upright walking they say that her knuckle-walking wrist joints are a leftover (or ‘vestige’) from an early ancestor who came down from the trees and walked on her knuckles as chimpanzees and gorillas do.

But did australopithecines like Lucy walk upright? Careful study of the skeletal anatomy of australopithecine fossils indicates a stooped gait, probably similar to the ‘rolling’ knuckle-walk of chimps.

Sadly, in this regard the public are often misled by inaccurately reconstructed statues and images of Lucy displayed at museums and in textbooks, etc., as her feet (and hands, for that matter) are often portrayed as startlingly human-like. Many evolutionists themselves concede such errors, acknowledging that australopithecine hands and feet were ‘not at all like human hands and feet; rather, they have long curved fingers and toes’2—even more so than apes today that live mostly in the trees.

A serious reconstruction error is to wrongly align Lucy’s big toe alongside the smaller toes, like a human foot. In fact, using multivariate analysis, the anatomist Dr Charles Oxnard3 has shown that the big toe actually sticks out as in chimpanzees. This is a key point, for evolutionists point to the famous fossil footprints at Laetoli (which look just like human footprints but are claimed to pre-date humans), and they say ‘See, Lucy walked upright!’ But the (correctly reconstructed) australopithecine fossil foot bones show that Lucy could not possibly have made those footprints.

Also, CAT scans of australopithecine inner ear canals (reflecting posture and balance) by anatomist Dr Fred Spoor and his colleagues at University College, London, showed they did not walk habitually upright.4

And the Laetoli footprints? Remove the fallacious evolutionary assumptions that provide the basis for radioisotope ‘dating’, and there is absolutely no evidence that the Laetoli prints predate humans. Therefore Dr Russell Tuttle’s (of the University of Chicago) finding, that the Laetoli footprints are just like those of children who habitually walk barefoot, makes sense.

So what was Lucy? Oxnard’s multivariate analysis showed that Lucy could not possibly be an intermediate ‘missing link’ between humans and knuckle-walking ape-like ancestors. He found that the australopithecine fossils ‘clearly differ more from both humans and African apes, than do these two living groups from each other. The australopithecines are unique.’5

The latest evidence not only confirms this, but it also indicates that Lucy was a knuckle-walker, like today’s great apes.

References and Notes
Did Lucy walk on her knuckles?, , 22 March 2000; Walk Like an Ape, , 22 March 2000; Early Man walked on all fours, , 23 March 2000; based on Brian G. Richmond and David S. Strait, Evidence that humans evolved from a knuckle-walking ancestor, Nature 404(6776), 23 March 2000. Return to text.
‘Ape-woman’ statue misleads public: anatomy professor (Dr David Menton), Creation19(1):52, Dec. 1996 – Feb. 1997. Return to text.
Formerly professor of Anatomy and Biological Sciences at the University of Southern California, now professor of Human Anatomy and Human Biology, University of Western Australia. Return to text.
F. Spoor, B. Wood and F. Zonneveld, Implications of early hominid morphology for evolution of human bipedal locomotion, Nature 369(6482):645–648, 1994. Return to text.
C.E. Oxnard, in Fossils, Sex and Teeth—New Perspectives on Human Evolution, University of Washington Press, Seattle and London, p. 227, 1987. Oxnard had previously concluded much the same about Australopithecus africanus, Nature 258:389–395, 1975. Return to text.

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Laura answered on 08/17/06:

Sometimes I think that evolutionists brains are still vestiges from their cousin the ape! LOL Just a bunch of monkey business if you ask me...

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MaggieB asked on 08/16/06 - Actually a survey:

As it is apparent that there are many denominations on this Christian Board I was just pondering how long each of us have been Christians. I don't want to know your denomination, that is neither here nor there.

We must have quite a few years on board here.

Thanks,

MaggieB

Laura answered on 08/16/06:

How many years I've been a Christian would probably be open to debate depending on some things.

I was born into a Catholic family and baptized as an infant in 1957.

Gave my life to Jesus when I was around 13 at a small protestant church my grandma went to.

Took my salvation seriously after I was married in 1975, rededicated my life to the Lord and was baptized. So I count from then on.

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peddler7118 asked on 08/16/06 - Is it abuse to post 30 questions in one day?

You thoughts?

Laura answered on 08/16/06:

When I first saw all the posts I thought..Geez, but then I realized that he was posting for each individual question that you had asked. Now if he had been posting the same thing over and over that would have been abuse.

I suppose he could have saved time and energy by posting everything just once.

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arcura asked on 08/15/06 - If you had the power, would you????????

If you had the power (on the day of your perfect, loving, devoted mother was to die) would you assume her body and soul into heaven, or would you allowed her to die and her body to rot in a cold grave or tomb?
Today the Catholics celebrate the Feast of The Assumption of Mary because they believe that is what Jesus, her loving devoted, perfect son did.
So if YOU had that power, would you?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Laura answered on 08/15/06:

Would I if I could.. Of course..But there are alot things that I would do if I had the power.. That doesn't make them right though..Probably why I'm not God nor would I ever claim to be like God, or anywhere near perfect like Jesus is. Neither would Mary.. I think she would be insulted at the insinuation that she was.

Arcura, The Catholic Church has no official teaching on whether or not the Virgin Mary had a virgin conception and virgin birth. Anything written is speculation or assumption. They are trying to justify something that was supernatural in itself. They figure that Mary had to be perfect in order for Jesus to be perfect.. WHY??? It was supernatural..God accomplished it....God can do what He wants....Must there be an explanation? Why must man always have explanations when it comes to the things of God...Why not just accept it by faith!!!!

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ladybugca asked on 08/14/06 - The best Prayer ever

The best Prayer ever






2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble
Themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways;
Then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal
Their land.








This Pastor has guts!! Thought you might enjoy this interesting prayer
Given in Kansas at the opening session of their Senate. It seems prayer
Still upsets some people. When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open the
New session of the Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual
Generalities, but this is what they heard:



"Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to
Seek your direction and guidance.
We know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil good,' but that is
Exactly what we have done.
We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.





We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.
We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self
Esteem.
We have abused power and called it politics.
We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.
We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it
Freedom of _expression.
We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers and called
It enlightenment.
Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin
And set us free. Amen!"





The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out during
The prayer in protest. In 6 short weeks, Central Christian Church, where
Rev. Wright is pastor, logged more than 5,000 phone calls with only
47 of those calls responding negatively. The church is now receiving
International requests for copies of this prayer from as far away as
India, Africa, and Korea.





Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his radio program, "The Rest
Of the Story," and received a larger response to this program than any
Other he has ever aired. With the Lord's help, may this prayer sweep
Over our nation and whole heatedly become our desire so that we again
Can be called "one nation Under God."





If possible, please pass this prayer on to your friends. "If you don't
Stand for something, you will fall for everything."



Laura answered on 08/14/06:

According to urban legends it is authentic and was a prayer given in 1996. If more stood up like this minister did perhaps America would wake up from it's slumbering!The truth hurts but can be an instrument of healing.

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Mathatmacoat asked on 08/13/06 - Is there a sense of hopelessness?

Prompted by this article from which I will give you a a partial for context, It occurs to me that the present situation has led to a sense of hopelessness. Has anyone else felt an increase in negative thoughts about the present situation, There appears to be no end to bad news and we all would like to see some normality.

Churches battling post-Katrina depression
Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:16pm ET



NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - African-American ministers, accustomed to providing spiritual guidance to their congregations, are helping members cope with serious mental and emotional disorders nearly a year after Hurricane Katrina hit.

"It is, at times, overwhelming," said Rev. Larry Campbell, assistant pastor of Israelite Baptist Church in the Central City neighborhood. He has counseled worshipers with substance abuse problems and suicidal thoughts, referring some to mental health professionals, when possible.

"There's a sense of hopelessness as it relates to, 'When are we going to get this city back to where it was?'"

Laura answered on 08/13/06:

This in combination with so many other incidence that have occured in the last several years has led alot of people to feel not only a sence of hopelessness but also of helplessness. For me personally it began with the OKC bombing and continued through tornadoes that destroyed much of an area which I lived and then 911 and the huricanes and terrorists and war....need I go on? We are experiencing what those in other countries have had to deal with for years in terms of bombs and terrorists. It seems the weather is worse too. I think people are shell shocked and worried and sad and scared and are wondering what will come next. My hope is in the Lord but I can't ignore what is going on all around me. These things affect people emotionally.

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STONY asked on 08/13/06 - AN INTRESTING DELEMA...

THIS CAME ACCROSS MY DESK THIS MORNING.

Subject: The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.





Can A Muslim Become A Good American Citizen

Can a good Muslim be a good American?
I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Koran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and _expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.
Call it what you wish.... it's still the truth.
If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

Laura answered on 08/13/06:

I'm not sure how to respond to this. I would like to hear how a Muslim who strictly practices his faith would react to these statements. We have many Muslim Americans in this country. I wonder if when all is said and done, they would agree with it. If indeed they did, how could they continue to live here?

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CeeBee2 asked on 08/13/06 - Theistic evolution..........................

There was a long article in one of today's papers explaining this. I can't pull up the article to post it here, so I will post something similar by the same scientist.

What is theistic evolution?

or, if the clickable link doesn't work,

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2220484,00.html

Laura answered on 08/13/06:

Since even now scientists are beginning to question the tools that they have been using for years to gage how old the earth is and the age of various artifacts, I have to wonder if evolution as it was explained by Darwin is even credable. Having said that, I think one of the most profound statement made my Collins in the article you refered to was:

His epiphany came when he went hiking through the Cascade Mountains in Washington state. He said: “It was a beautiful afternoon and suddenly the remarkable beauty of creation around me was so overwhelming, I felt, ‘I cannot resist this another moment’.”

The Bible proclaims that creation itself proclaims the existence of God. How wonderful!! If we look for God we will find Him in His creation. I worship the Creator.

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CeeBee2 asked on 08/12/06 - What makes a person a Christian? What makes a

church Christian?

The word "Christ" is in the word "Christian" so I would guess a Christian is someone who believes in Christ. But who was/is Christ and what does someone have to believe about him?

Is the definition of Christian fairly broad, or quite well defined? Are there certain elements that must be included, or is it a free-flowing kind of thing? Does someone have to believe in the Trinity in order to be considered a Christian? Does there have to be belief that Jesus is the Christ (God revealed and a Person in the Godhead) or a God in his own right or just a good man who set an example of how to love?

Various Christianity experts over the years have been told they aren't Christian. What is a Christian?

Laura answered on 08/12/06:

Everyone has within them the measure of faith needed to believe in and accept Jesus as outlined in scripture.

The Bible says that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. I think that this is all that is necessary to become a Christian.

As we study the Bible and allow the Holy spirit to speak to our hearts we learn more about Jesus. It's a learning process that can take years but you have asked about the basics. I believe that John 3:16 tells us.

But I do believe that a sincere Christian will yearn to know more about his/her Savior and through study will attain that knowledge. I believe that it is the Christ of the Holy Bible that is the true Christ. He is God's Word made flesh.

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ROLCAM asked on 08/12/06 - STRINE !!

This sheila came across a snake in the grass with all the cunning of a conman.
INGRID PHILLIPS
IN SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA
"GOD was tinkering around in his workshop when out of the blue he knocked up the whole bang lot ... God said: 'Let's have some light,' and bingo - light appeared."

So begins the biblical account of the Creation, not in the rather staid language of the King James Bible, but retold in the colourful Australian vernacular known as "Strine".

Broadcaster, journalist and devout Christian Kel Richards has translated the best-known passages from the Good Book into the everyday language of the Outback.

He hopes in doing so to introduce the Gospels to a wider audience in a country where church attendance has fallen dramatically, currently languishing below 10 per cent.

The first instalment, Aussie Bible (Well, bits of it anyway!) was a runaway success and has sold 100,000 copies since it was first published in 2003.

Some 90 pages long, it depicts the three wise men as cattle drovers camped around a fire and angels as Aborigines.

The Virgin Mary becomes a "pretty special sheila" and the baby Jesus is described as "God's toddler".

More Aussie Bible, which was launched last month at a sausage sizzle barbecue outside a Sydney cathedral, gives the same Aussie treatment to the Book of Genesis, Proverbs, John's Gospel and also his first letter.

"It all started in London, where a teacher called Mike Coles was head of religious education at a school in the East End of London," Mr Richards told The Scotsman.

"He found that most of his pupils did not have a clue what many Bible passages are about.

"So he began retelling some of the stories of the Bible in the street language of the East End, Cockney rhyming slang."

Mr Richards was so inspired by the Cockney Bible, that he began his own translation using the earthy language of Australian ranch hands and swagmen.

Gone are the "thees", "thous" and "verilys" of more traditional versions, as he tells the story of Adam and Eve and the fall of mankind in the Garden of Eden.

"There was this sheila who came across a snake in the grass with all the cunning of a conman," it says.

"The snake asked her why she didn't just grab lunch off the tree in her garden.

"God, she said, had told her she'd be dead meat if her fruit salad came from that tree, but the snake told her she wouldn't die," it continues.

"So she took a good squiz and then a bite and passed the fruit on to her bloke.

"Right then and there, they'd realised what they'd done and felt starkers."

Daniel Willis, chief executive of the Bible Society which published both instalments, said he was amazed by their success.

"Kel has retold the stories in a language that people in the street can comprehend and feel the full force of the imagery - the slap in the face, the sting in the tail," he said.

"Jesus challenges preconceived ideas of the way that things ought to be done," he added. "Kel, I think, has done that again with the language."

The translation is littered with images familiar to the average Australian. Joseph, whose "Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat" spawned a musical, is a stockman who received a "lairy coat" from his dad that makes his brothers "dead jealous".

In Genesis chapter 37, verses 1 to 36, Jacob, who is the father of Joseph, tears his clothes and weeps.

However, in the Aussie Bible version he proclaims: "He's been killed! Maybe a dingo got my boy!"

Psalm 23 is rendered in the style of a bush ballad - the poetry of Australia's vast, arid wilderness - and begins: "God is the station (ranch) owner and I am just one of the sheep. He musters me down to the lucerne flats and feeds me there all week."

The Aussie Bible follows a long tradition of trying to make the Gospels more accessible.

Christian Surfers International, a group of wave-riding evangelists, is spreading the Lord's word to young surfers, known in beach slang as grommets, with the Grommet's Guide to God.

Parts of the Bible have also been written in the style of text messages to make them more appealing to mobile phone-savvy teenagers. For Mr Willis, it is all about helping people discover Christianity.

"Ultimately we want people to engage with the God of the Bible and find out for themselves that God loves and cares for them," he said, adding that prison chaplains had found Mr Richards' work invaluable.

"As Kel says, 'The Bible really is God's message to humanity ... Rip into it, you'll find it's as bright as a box of budgies.'"

Laura answered on 08/12/06:

Well I wouldn't take it as Gospel truth but it might be an interesting read. I had a book once called the Book of God. A fictional reading of the Bible written like a novel. Again I didn't take it as Gospel but it was an interesting read and IMO a good book.

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Itsdb asked on 08/11/06 - The Christians are coming, the Christians are coming!

This is for all of those fearing a Bush theocracy and/or that wish to equate evangelicals with Islamic radicals...

WASHINGTON -- These are rich times for conspiracy theorists, and the mother lode these days may be found in the fevered minds of anti-Christianists.

Among paranoiacs who see a Jerry Falwell or a John Hagee in every burning bush, U.S. support for Israel isn't about protecting the only healthy democracy in the Middle East, but about advancing Armageddon and, yes, the Second Coming.

At last, we'll get to know what Jesus would drive. Most likely, he'd drive out the conspiracy theorists on both sides of this imagined apocalypse.

For those who do not spend their days pulling imaginary bugs out of their eye sockets, "Christianist" is a relatively new term that roughly refers to a virulent strain of right-wing political Christianity that, supposedly, parallels Islamist lunacy.

Although both groups may be "true believers," those who try to connect the dots of Christian belief, specifically evangelical Christianity, to Islamism seem willing to overlook the fact that Islamists praise Allah and fly airplanes into buildings while Christianists praise Jesus and pass the mustard.

And though both groups of people may use scripture to shape their approach to the public square, Islamist interpretation of doctrine permits religious expression through suicide-murder, beheadings, public stonings (preferably of women) and Jew-hating, while Christianist doctrine deals in such wimpy notions as forgiveness, tolerance, redemption and cheek-turning. Weirdos.


A slew of new books have emerged with titles like American Theocracy, and Kingdom Coming, that tackle the perceived emerging Christocracy, while op-ed-ists opine that right-wing evangelicals are directing foreign policy through the White House. Words like "theocrats" and "American Taliban" have become commonplace in describing those who fill televangelism's La-Z-Boys.

Certainly, there's an element among some Christians who believe that Armageddon and the Second Coming are related to current events in the Middle East. For instance, John Hagee, televangelist and pastor of an 18,000-member mega-church in San Antonio specifically believes that Israel has to strike Iran's nuclear facilities in order to move things along toward Jesus' new millennial reign.

And though life may get messy for a time, all's well that ends well. Once Jesus gets back on board, Russia and China will have been dealt with, the Garden of Eden will reopen for business, and the righteous will rule the nations of the Earth. ACLU, beware.

Doubtless Hagee holds his audiences in thrall, but that audience does not happen to include George W. Bush or even (cue thunderclouds) Karl Rove. Nor millions of other Christians. Despite what the anti-Christianists seem to believe, the evangelical movement is not monolithic on such issues and Hagee doesn't have an office in the State Department.

In fact, at one White House meeting with about 35 evangelical leaders, one participant told me Hagee said nary a word. Even if he had, no one in the Bush administration is listening.

"You can be sure that Condi Rice is not reading Tim LaHaye books," says Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and director of its Evangelicals in Civic Life program. LaHaye is author of the best-selling apocalyptic "Left Behind" series.

The Armageddonists, meanwhile, are suffering from what Cromartie calls "overheated eschatological expectations."

"That means, they're always looking through world events for some signs of the End Times. . . . If they want to spend their time worrying about that, fine. I'm pretty content to sit here and wait it out."

At least part of what's behind the anti-Christianist movement, of course, is dislike of Bush, who happens to be a born-again Christian, combined with angry opposition to the war in Iraq, as well as contempt for the anti-intellectualism of some on the Christian right -- a perfect storm of secular disgust.

What's missing, however, is a basic understanding of reality: the fact that those who preach an End Times scenario also voted for Bush does not necessarily mean that they have Bush's ear. When someone like Hagee sends a smoke signal to the White House about Israel and Armageddon, the attitude at Pennsylvania Avenue is, "Oh yeah, John, we're aware of that, thank you."

In other words, pro-Israel policy decisions are based on our long-standing support of America's democratic ally in the Middle East, not some theological imperative as divined through an eschatological grid. Or even an Ŝ" ball.

Nevertheless, Republicans are happy to get votes where they can. Which is to say: If Hagee were urging his congregation to tithe money to fight global warming based on some apocalyptic interpretation of Scripture, does anyone really think that Al Gore would decline the check? -Kathleen Parker

Comments?

Laura answered on 08/11/06:

We couldn't force the "end times" to come any sooner if we tried. God is in control of that and when it's His time, then whatever happens will be His will.

She is sure right about most Christians in my opinion. Most really just do want the world to know the love of Christ and wish peace and blessing on all. Not many spend their days devising ways to destroy anyone.

There is nothing wrong with following what is going on in the world and comparing what is happening to prophecy. But if a person thinks they have it "right" and are positive that those days are here, they probably don't have it right. Then again, wouldn't it be wonderful to live in a world filled with peace and ruled by Christ? I think so!

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Erewhon asked on 08/10/06 - Toms777's Lying Chart ....




Tom J Smith's web page chart about Mormons is wrong in several important details.

If he is going to make an enemy of someone, why not at least get their details right? Too much trouble? His chart is in pdf, had it been cut and pasteable I wouod have shown it to be the tissue of lies it is.

Come on, Tonm. Drop the lies, learn the truth, and then at least you can hate us for the right reasons!



Laura answered on 08/10/06:

Regardless of whether there is err in what Toms posts on his website, there is one question I have that you might be able to answer. Why was the Bible sufficient for so long and then all of a sudden God decides we need something else to add to it? What happened to all those that trusted in the Word of God alone until the Book of Mormon came around? Are they saved? Lost?

Contained in introduction to the Book of Morman: Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

That turns me off right there. No offence. The Bible is my guide. My ONLY guide and always shall be. Nothing is more correct than the Word.

If I can't get past the introduction, what am I to do!!

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arcura asked on 08/09/06 - What do you think; Pat Robertson is in Israel…….

During an interview with CNN today Pat said that the war going on in the Holy Land area is an indication of the end of this age and that God will save Israel. At that time rockets were still raining down on Israel from the Hezbollah.
Do you think God will save Israel this time after allowing its enemies to conquer it so many times in the past?

Laura answered on 08/09/06:

I watch some of the prophecy teachers on TV. Most if not all of them believe that the Bible speaks of when Jesus will return in generalities. Most of them believe that when Isreal became a nation in 1948 that this is "the generation" that will see the return of Christ. God promises to restore Isreal to it's glory and to deliver it's people. Isreal will not be destroyed. It may be conquered for a short time but God will deliver them. He promised.

Do I believe that we are nearing the end of this present age? Yes. When exactly... no one knows but God.

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Mathatmacoat asked on 08/08/06 - The arrogance of Erewhon?

erewhon has come and claimed that the Christian Church is apostate an old Mormon claim however
the following clearly demonstrates that it is the Mormon's who are apostate.

THE PRE EXISTENCE OF JESUS CHRIST.

Mormonism: The Mormon Jesus was born in the heavens as a spirit-child of "heavenly father" named Elohim, an exalted man, and one of his spirit-wives by sexual relations. Lucifer, who became Satan the Devil, is the brother of this Mormon Jesus. (The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15; History of the Church, Vol 6 p. 308, 474.).

Christianity: Jesus Christ is not created, but is eternal, and has always been God. (See Timothy 1: 16: John 1: 1-3; Micah 5:2 1 Timothy 3:16; Titus 2:13; Revelation 1:8; Matt. 1:23).



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THE EARTHLY BIRTH

Mormonism: Elohim, the Mormon heavenly father, came to this earth in human form and had sex relations with the Virgin Mary, who was no longer a virgin, and she gave birth to the Mormon Jesus as a result. (See Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 1;18; Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 158; and Journal of Discourses 8: 115 quoting Brigham

Christianity: Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary as "Emmanuel", "God with us." (See Matt. 1:23 ) Jesus was conceived in the Virgin Mary's womb when the Holy Spirit came upon her.) See Matt. 1 :20).

Laura answered on 08/08/06:

I have heard the Mormons teach this but in all my searching on the net I have never read any official Mormon document that says this. All I have read is what other people who disagree with Mormon teachings have written but I haven't seen them provide specific information which a lay person can read for themselves..Please provide this evidence.

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Erewhon asked on 08/08/06 - Do you agree that the Christian Church today is Apostate?


I quote:

"We see so much false teaching in the church today, and so much which causes us to take our focus away from the truth of the pure simple gospel of Jesus. How did we get to this point?

What are the roots of the apostasy that we see in the church today? Knowing the roots helps us a great deal in understanding the objectives of the movement and how to strengthen the churches to resist the influences of the movement, which often have already entered the church and grown roots before we know what is happening."


Is your church apostate or in the throes of apostasy as is claimed on http://discern.ca/ ?

If so, what forms does that apostasy take and do you have anyu notions as to how it can be restored?

Curious minds want to know.

All honest answers receive good treatment.


Laura answered on 08/08/06:

What can I say. I've spent a good part of the morning looking at Toms website.

There are alot of good points to be found there. You are probably opening up a can of worms by asking but I do see problems with the reconsiliation between doctrine/tradition in many churches.

Not mine per say (IMO) but some would beg to differ with me in that I am sure. I don't think that any church should use anything other than the Holy Scriptures when leading their people. Their rules, their professions of faith...everything should be based soley on the Word of God meaning the Bible and not on any other article or book/s.

I practice the teachings of the Assembly of God Church generally.

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arcura asked on 08/07/06 - I noticed that Toms777 has answered a question here

and rated an answer.
Welcome Toms, the more Christians we have here on this board the better.
Peace and kindness,
Fred,

Laura answered on 08/08/06:

Glad to see Toms. Not a popular person on the board now or in the past but that's not his fault. His opinions are His and through guidence by the Word of God. Just as he disagrees with other's interpretations of doctrine verses tradition etc, others disagree with him. IMO it doesn't lessen his intent (a fine intent with his heart in the right place) to spread the Gospel message. He tells it as he sees it. Just like everyone else.

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Erewhon asked on 08/08/06 - Libraratic Prognostication ....................

Does anyone here practice biobliomancy? Have you had good results?

Laura answered on 08/08/06:

I had to look that up because I had never heard the term. Then I had to look up divination because it is part of the makeup of bibliomancy.

When I read the Word I ask God for supernatural guidence to show me His will in His Word. I believe that I have heard from God spiritually through His Word. But I don't think that is bibliomancy as I understand from reading the definition.

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Judgment_Day asked on 08/07/06 - CHRISTIANITY EXPERTS........

Whom do you say Jesus is?

Laura answered on 08/07/06:

My Lord and My God!

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WheninRome asked on 08/07/06 - BIBLE PUZZLES:

Apocrypha and Biblical Revisions.

The Bible of 400 CE and the Bible today differ by dozens of chapters and thousands of parts.

Which Bible is the word of God?

If the bible is the word of God why does man edit it?



Inquiring minds ... etc.

Laura answered on 08/07/06:

I can't honestly answer that. But I trust God not to lead me astray. The Bible that I have is what I have. The Word in it when I was in obedience has never let me down yet. That's all I can say.

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WheninRome asked on 08/07/06 - GENESIS PUZZLES

PARANOIA•

Who were the people that Cain was afraid would kill him, if no one else was in the planet other than his mother, father and himself? (Genesis 4:14)

MURDER OK•

Why would God defend Cain after he murdered his brother? (Genesis 4:15)




Inquiring minds ... etc

Laura answered on 08/07/06:

Adam and Eve may have been the "first".. Who's to say that God didn't create more humans knowing that Adam and Eve would have a hard time populating the earth on their own? If the Bible contained every single thing that God did in it, there would not be enough room to contain it all.

Why did God forgive King David for having his wife's husband killed in battle??.. Though he paid a dear price for it.

Job practically cursed God and yet God gave him back everything he had lost and more.

There are tons of other examples in the Bible of these things.

I think it has something to do with mercy and grace.

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WheninRome asked on 08/07/06 - BIBLE PUZZLES: ORIGINAL SIN

Even in this global age there are millions of persons who never hear the Good News. According to the bible all are born in sin.

Do some go to Hell just because of their birth circumstances?

How is this fair?



Inquiring minds ... etc.

Laura answered on 08/07/06:

CeeBee asked a similar question a few days ago. I will supply you with the same answer that I gave her.

From what i've read in the Bible, God reveals Himself to all who look for Him. Man is without excuse as to the existence of God.

So even if one has no knowledge of Jesus Christ, they cannot escape the knowledge of God. All they have to do is look around.

Belief in Jesus Christ is not the only way to be saved if one has no knowledge of Him. I dare say there's not too many left in the world today who haven't heard the Gospel message though.

IMHO anyone who is unable mentally to grasp such knowledge is automatically exempt, though i'll bet God is especially close to them...even if they don't know it.

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WheninRome asked on 08/07/06 - BIBLE PUZZLES

Graven Images.

Isn’t wearing the cross and making statues and movies of the life of the Christ a violation of the 2nd Commandment? “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…”



Inquring minds ... etc

Laura answered on 08/07/06:

Second
"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments."

I believe that the Lord is referring to graven images of birds or oxxen or other crazy things that people of the day tended to carve out and "worship"..He reminds them that He is the Lord, not His creation. Still holds true today. If someone has a cross or a statue of Jesus and prays to "it" rather than to God he/she has a problem. I don't see a problem with movies about the Lord...generally.

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jackreade asked on 08/05/06 - Pharisee References on the Bible

by Rev Jack Barr:

This is really fascinating, but long.

The name means "divided," They separated themselves from the people and the manners of the world.

They meddled with the affairs of the government. (Jn. 3:1)

They were dreaded by the Roman government.

They were in great esteem with the people.

Pharisees could be from any tribe of the Israelites.
The Apostle Paul was a Pharisee from the tribe of Benjamin. (Phil. 3:5)

Many Pharisees were in the ruling class. (Acts 23:6, Jn. 3:1)

Many of the Priests and Levites Scribes were Pharisees.
(But not All of them, some were Sadducees or Herodians) (Acts 23:9) In Acts 5:34, Gamaliel was called a doctor of the law. (This title was interchangeable with the titles of scribes or lawyers.)

There were women Pharisees as well as men.

There were seven types of Pharisees

The "Shechemite Pharisee", who does as Shechem did; is circumcised, not on God's account, or for his glory, or because circumcision is a command of his, but for his own profit and advantage, and that he may get honor from men.

The "Dashing Pharisee", who walks gently, the heel of one foot touching the great toe of the other; and scarce lifts up his feet from the earth, so that he dashes them against the stones, and would be thought thereby to be in deep meditation.

The "Pharisee letting blood", who makes as if he shut his eyes, that he may not look upon women, and so runs and dashes his head against the wall, till the blood gushes out, as though a vein was opened.

The "depressed Pharisee", who went double, or bowed down, or as others render the phrase, "the mortar Pharisee" either because he wore a garment like a mortar, with the mouth turned downwards; or a hat resembling such a vessel; so that he could not look upward, nor on either side, only downward, or right forward.

The Pharisee, that said, what is my duty and I will do it? The gloss upon it is, teach me what is my duty, and I will do it: Lo! this is his excellence, if he is not expert in the prohibitions and niceties of the commands, and comes to learn; or thus, what is more to be done and I have not done it? So that he shows himself, or would appear as if he had performed all.

The "Pharisee of fear", who does what he does from fear of punishment.

The "Pharisee of love", who does what he does from love; which the gloss explains thus: for the love of the reward of the commandment, and not for the love of the commandment of his Creator; though they say of all these there is none to be beloved, but the Pharisee of love.

They studied the law, and taught it.

They boasted of, and trusted in, their being the seed of Abraham. (Mt. 3:9)

They were legalists - following the letter of the law but not the spirit.

They insisted of being formal.

They didn't care if their legal ceremonies had any spiritual meaning.

They were strict observers of the traditions of the elders. (Mk. 7:3)

They believed in both Fate and Freewill.

They believed in the resurrection of the dead.

They held that every soul is incorruptible or immortal.

They believed in Angels and Spirits.

They believed in and defended the doctrine of rewards and punishments in a future state.

They exposed themselves to public notice. Doing all they could to be seen of men. (Mt. 6:5)

They prayed publicly on the corners of the streets. (Mt. 6:5)

They had a trumpet blown before them when they gave alms. (Mt. 6:2)

They Chose the uppermost rooms at feasts. (Mk. 23:6)

They chose the chief seats in the synagogues. (Lk. 11:42)

They looked for and expected greetings in the markets. (Lk. 11:42)

They wanted to be called "Rabbi" by men. (Mt. 23:7-8)

They made broad their "Phylacteries". (Mt. 23:15)
[this is a pouch that is worn on the forehead while praying. It has four compartments with each holding a scroll with a scripture verse on it. To make it larger that normal was to brag of how much holier they were than others.]

They enlarged the borders of their garments. (Mt. 23:5)
[ These were fringes which they put upon the borders of their garments, and on them a ribbon of blue, to put them in mind of the commandments, to obey them. Num. 15:38, De 22:12. By having larger ones was to appear with a greater air of sanctity and devotion than others.]

They pretended to be more holy than others. (Mt. 23:27)

They believed that they were so good that they needed no repentance. (Lk. 18:11)

They fasted at least twice a week (Mondays and Thursdays) (Mt. 9:14, Lk. 18:12)

They made long prayers to gain the attention of men. (Mt. 23:14)

They believed it was unlawful to have any conversation with anyone they considered to be sinners.
To eat or drink with them. (Mt. 9:10-11, Mk. 2:15-16, Lk. 15:2)
To dwell in the same house. (Lk. 19:7)

They tried to drive out of society those they called sinners.

They call the common people unclean, looking down on them.

They would not eat unless they washed their hands. (Mk. 7:3)

For eating common foods, they washed to the joints of the fingers.
For the eating of offerings, or for banquets, they washed to the elbows.
(Most common people did not wash their hands.)

They stressed the outward observance of the law and tradition, but ignored the moral law.

Many used the pretence of holiness as a cloak for sin.

They were covetous. (Lovers of money) (Lk. 16:14) Devouring widow's houses. (Mt. 23:14) (cheating, or robbing the widows out of their homes, etc. as payment for the pretence of praying for them and their dead husbands.)

They hated the Sadducees.

They practiced baptism of their Proselytes (converts), and circumcision of the men.

They controlled the Synagogues. (Jn. 12:42)

The Pharisees sided with the Herodians. (Mk. 3:6, Mk. 12:13)

They sat on the Sanhedrim. (Acts 23:6)
The High priest was usually a Pharisee because they had a rule that a Saddusee could not be a High Priest. However that was not always true as there were times when there were no Pharisees on the Sanhedrim.

The doctrines taught by them were: the commandments and inventions of men, freewill, justification by the works of the law.

They were very particular and precise about what sort of leaven could be used to cause bread to rise.
There were several different leavenings which could be used, but they had a formula they insisted must be used as the only one. This throws a light on Mt. 16:6-11, Mk. 8:14-17. It has been suggested in "John Gill's Expositor" that the Apostles could have misunderstood Jesus in first thinking that Jesus was referring to the leaven that the Pharisees claimed was the leaven that must be used to cause the bread to rise.

The Pharisees came the closest to the truth of doctrine than any other sect, but they represented Hypocritical Superstition.

Jesus called them Hypocrites, Vipers, Serpents, (Mt. 12:34, 23:33). They were pretty to look at as was a snake but like the snake they were filled with deadly venom.

Sadducees

The Sadducees started from "Sadok or Saduk", a disciple of Antigonus of Socho.

Antigonus taught "Be not as Servants who serve their master for the sake of reward; but be ye as servants that serve their master not for the sake of reward, and let the fear of God be upon you"

Sadok and a fellow scholar, who's name was "Baithos or Baithus", heard, but didn't understand him. They concluded that there were no future state of rewards and punishments.

Their followers became known as Sadducees."

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Pharisees are a complicated lot. I guess St. Paul was a Pharisee.

Any comments?

Laura answered on 08/05/06:

As you have said and as Jesus said...They ignored the "spirit" of the law.. We can look at all the bad in people. But God looks into the heart. What does a person "really" think? THAT is what God looks at. The heart.. I hope my heart is good. And I repent for what is in it that is not!

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blueboy. asked on 08/04/06 - Forum for Christians or cowards??

People: Why are you so afraid to answer questions when they are oviously aimed at you???

I cite Fred & Ronnie to be the worst, by defending their positions from behind the clarification fence.

I know who you are ..& you know who I am:):)

Laura answered on 08/05/06:

Frankly if I don't feel confident enough about my answer I won't post. Nobody likes rejection and sometimes that is exactly what it is because some people don't know how to use tact in constructive critisism. I don't mind people disagreeing with me.. But when they are rude, it's a bother I don't have the time nor the energy for.. They are a waste of my time.

Too many times in the past even if I have been sincere and honestly wanted to give an intelligent reply, such a reply was either critisized or belittled rather than taken as an honest attempt to reply as best as I could.

People on this board need to learn that opinions from individuals are just that and should be respected as such and not unfairly critisized...opinions unless they have quoted someone else IE the Bible etc. Then they are God's opinions.

I get sick of people belittling my God and His Word. "enough said" as you might say.....:-)

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CeeBee2 asked on 08/04/06 - An individual's religious beliefs almost totally

depend on the culture/environment/family into which he was born (and raised). Thus, a baby born to the (Lutheran) Hobelmann family in the U.S. would probably grow up Lutheran, but if that same baby had been born to the (Hindu) Rana family in India, it would probably grow up as a Hindu.

The following questions are asked from a Christian perspective:

a. Can a Christian make a valid argument that he/she would STILL be or become a Christian if he/she had been born and raised in a Hindu culture?

b. Why would God allow a child to be born into a culture that would cause that child to be ignorant of the Gospel message of God's salvation and the Christian response of love?

c. Has God created something inside of each person so that the person, no matter into which culture he was born, has an opportunity to be saved despite outside influences?

d. Are the above even the right questions to ask?

Laura answered on 08/04/06:

From what i've read in the Bible, God reveals Himself to all who look for Him. Man is without excuse as to the existence of God.

So even if one has no knowledge of Jesus Christ, they cannot escape the knowledge of God. All they have to do is look around.

Belief in Jesus Christ is not the only way to be saved if one has no knowledge of Him. I dare say there's not too many left in the world today who haven't heard the Gospel message though.

IMHO anyone who is unable mentally to grasp such knowledge is automatically exempt, though i'll bet God is especially close to them...even if they don't know it.

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CeeBee asked on 08/03/06 - Why did Jesus say his followers must hate their families?

(Luke 9:59-62) Jesus clearly called a man to the irresponsible, disrespectful action of leaving his father, implying that he was not even to attend his funeral. Jesus called another to leave his family without even saying farewell or letting them know he was deserting them.

Laura answered on 08/04/06:

Jesus implies that we have a decision to make when it comes to this "world" IE other people, possessions, etc. To follow Christ may mean to some that they must turn from members of their families when those members renounce God, deny the faith, condemn you for your faith or try to disuade you from your beliefs.

The definition of hate does not neccesarily mean that you stop loving. It means that you stop associating with a person because you choose God before them. When material possessions or other things temp a person to put those objects before God a person has to make a decision and take action accordingly.

Definition of hate:

the emotion of hate; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action
dislike intensely; feel antipathy or aversion towards; "I hate Mexican food" "She detests politicians"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Hate or hatred is an emotion of intense revulsion, distaste, enmity, or antipathy for a person, thing, or phenomenon; a desire to avoid, restrict, remove, or destroy its object.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate

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excon asked on 08/03/06 - It's Jack Daniels fault


Hello Christians, and especially you, Arcura:

It's true. It's not Mel's fault. There's something in the booze. I think it's an Islamofacist plot. Terrorists taken over in Tennessee.

As proof, I experiementd. I'm a Jew. In the normal course of events, I don't drink hardly at all. Haven't been drunk in 15 years. I also don't hate anybody except cops.

After a couple of shots, I noticed a smarmy brown skinned person eyeballing me. After two more, I started to hate black people. Three more, and I even hated Jews.

Yup. It's not Mel's fault. It's the water.

excon

PS> Smoke pot! Terrorists haven't infiltrated that market - yet.

Laura answered on 08/03/06:

I looked up on the net what people think about the effects of alcohol and things people say when under the influence. Most think it brings out more truthful words because it lowers inhabitions. Alot of guys said they lie more about their jobs/material possessions so they can entice women to take advantage of them. Others said they always lie under the influence. So...I guess only Mel and God knows for sure!

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isizathu asked on 08/03/06 - Peddler7118's answer

In What an answer!! by ROLCAM dated 08/03/06 peddler7118 posted :

Dear Isizathu:

"Since you are challenging the faith of Christians here I would like to challenge yours."

Problem is that I have no religious belief system.
Strong atheists have one (depending how you see that), as they conclude that God does not exist.
There is indeed no supporting proof for that conclusion.
Just as theists have no supporting proof for God existance.
Both are belief systems.

But for a "weak/soft" atheist that situation is different.
For them God's existence is irrelevant.

You seem to couple atheism to natural processes as evolution and the origin of life.
But that is wrong. Atheism is just the way a person moves over the path of life without being bothered by a belief in "God".

Evolution, Origin of life, Origin of the Universe : they don't have anything to do with atheism.
Of course individual atheists will have an opinion on these matters, each as he or she feels comfortably with, but none of these personal opnions are a "standard" for atheism.

As I thought this to be an interesting item for all to see and comment on, I posted it to the board, instead of replying directly.

Any comments?

Laura answered on 08/03/06:

I'm not sure how to reply to your reply to peddlers question. I thought there were three versions of thought.

Atheist...doesn't believe in God.
Agnostic...isn't sure one way or the other.
And those who believe in God.

I've never heard of a weak/soft atheist. What is that exactly?

How come the "I before E" rule doesn't apply to the word atheist? :-)

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excon asked on 07/30/06 - Your boy, Mel


Hello Christians:

Regardaing jacks question.

What I find interesting is that the Christians first doubt he said it, then they offer understanding about his alcohol abuse. Nobody says diddly squat about his anti-Semitism.

HELLO, CHRISTIANS! His alcohol abuse affects him, his family and anybody on the road when he's driving.

HIS ANTI-SEMITISIM AND HIS ANTI-SEMITIC MOVIES AFFECT THE ENTIRE WORLD.

excon

Laura answered on 07/30/06:

Good grief now some Jewish groups are asking for a probe into possible hate crimes against them by Mel Gibson..

THE GUY GOT DRUNK AND SPOUTED OFF!! Maybe he really does feel that way about Jews. If he does then I feel sorry for him. But someone is blowing this way out of proportion.

Jesus Christ was killed (in the physical sense) by Jewish leaders who feared his professions...and by Roman military who were ordered to. He was not killed by "the Jews" or by "the Romans" in general.

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jackreade asked on 07/30/06 - Catholic Woman faces Ex-Communication

AP=="Joan Houk has ministered to the sick and needy, run two Roman Catholic parishes that were without priests and has presided over baptisms and funerals. Her calling now, she says, is to be a priest.

Houk will be one of a dozen women participating in a ceremony Monday in which eight will proclaim themselves priests and four deacons. The ceremony won't be recognized by the Catholic church, which has a 2,000-year tradition of an all-male priesthood.

Similar ceremonies conducted by the group Roman Catholic Womenpriests have been held before in other countries, and most of the participants have been excommunicated. It's the first time the group is holding a ceremony in the U.S.

The Pittsburgh Diocese issued a statement saying the ordination would not be valid."

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I read today that in Mexico a 100,000 people were marching against the results of the election last month.

Is there anything that can stop people who want change in an institution, be it religious, governmental, if enough people show up. Is there any way to stop change that people want?

Is is immoral to try to stop the people?

Laura answered on 07/30/06:

Why doesn't she just convert to a "religion" that allows women to be priests? There are several of them and her problems would be solved.. I don't agree with the Catholic stance on women as priests nor to I believe it's healthy either spiritually or emotionally for men to abstain from marrying. So if the faith doesn't suit one's feelings....convert!!!

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Erewhon asked on 07/30/06 - A Pastor takes a stand .... .... ....

Disowning Conservative Politics, Evangelical Pastor Rattles Flock
Bill Alkofer

Most members of Woodland Hills Church near St. Paul stayed after the Rev. Gregory A. Boyd urged an end to sexual moralizing and military glorification and said America should not be proclaimed a “Christian nation.”

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: July 30, 2006

MAPLEWOOD, Minn. — Like most pastors who lead thriving evangelical megachurches, the Rev. Gregory A. Boyd was asked frequently to give his blessing — and the church’s — to conservative political candidates and causes. The requests came from church members and visitors alike: Would he please announce a rally against gay marriage during services? Would he introduce a politician from the pulpit? Could members set up a table in the lobby promoting their anti-abortion work? Would the church distribute “voters’ guides” that all but endorsed Republican candidates? And with the country at war, please couldn’t the church hang an American flag in the sanctuary?

After refusing each time, Mr. Boyd finally became fed up, he said. Before the last presidential election, he preached six sermons called “The Cross and the Sword” in which he said the church should steer clear of politics, give up moralizing on sexual issues, stop claiming the United States as a “Christian nation” and stop glorifying American military campaigns. “When the church wins the culture wars, it inevitably loses,” Mr. Boyd preached. “When it conquers the world, it becomes the world. When you put your trust in the sword, you lose the cross.”

Mr. Boyd says he is no liberal. He is opposed to abortion and thinks homosexuality is not God’s ideal. The response from his congregation at Woodland Hills Church here in suburban St. Paul — packed mostly with politically and theologically conservative, middle-class evangelicals — was passionate. Some members walked out of a sermon and never returned. By the time the dust had settled, Woodland Hills, which Mr. Boyd founded in 1992, had lost about 1,000 of its 5,000 members.

But there were also congregants who thanked Mr. Boyd, telling him they were moved to tears to hear him voice concerns they had been too afraid to share. “Most of my friends are believers,” said Shannon Staiger, a psychotherapist and church member, “and they think if you’re a believer, you’ll vote for Bush. And it’s scary to go against that.”

Sermons like Mr. Boyd’s are hardly typical in today’s evangelical churches. But the upheaval at Woodland Hills is an example of the internal debates now going on in some evangelical colleges, magazines and churches. A common concern is that the Christian message is being compromised by the tendency to tie evangelical Christianity to the Republican Party and American nationalism, especially through the war in Iraq.

At least six books on this theme have been published recently, some by Christian publishing houses. Randall Balmer, a religion professor at Barnard College and an evangelical, has written “Thy Kingdom Come: How the Religious Right Distorts the Faith and Threatens America — an Evangelical’s Lament.”

And Mr. Boyd has a new book out, “The Myth of a Christian Nation: How the Quest for Political Power Is Destroying the Church,” which is based on his sermons. “There is a lot of discontent brewing,” said Brian D. McLaren, the founding pastor at Cedar Ridge Community Church in Gaithersburg, Md., and a leader in the evangelical movement known as the “emerging church,” which is at the forefront of challenging the more politicized evangelical establishment.

“More and more people are saying this has gone too far — the dominance of the evangelical identity by the religious right,” Mr. McLaren said. “You cannot say the word ‘Jesus’ in 2006 without having an awful lot of baggage going along with it. You can’t say the word ‘Christian,’ and you certainly can’t say the word ‘evangelical’ without it now raising connotations and a certain cringe factor in people. “Because people think, ‘Oh no, what is going to come next is homosexual bashing, or pro-war rhetoric, or complaining about ‘activist judges.’ ”

Mr. Boyd said he had cleared his sermons with the church’s board, but his words left some in his congregation stunned. Some said that he was disrespecting President Bush and the military, that he was soft on abortion or telling them not to vote. “When we joined years ago, Greg was a conservative speaker,” said William Berggren, a lawyer who joined the church with his wife six years ago. “But we totally disagreed with him on this. You can’t be a Christian and ignore actions that you feel are wrong. A case in point is the abortion issue. If the church were awake when abortion was passed in the 70’s, it wouldn’t have happened. But the church was asleep.”

Mr. Boyd, 49, who preaches in blue jeans and rumpled plaid shirts, leads a church that occupies a squat block-long building that was once a home improvement chain store. The church grew from 40 members in 12 years, based in no small part on Mr. Boyd’s draw as an electrifying preacher who stuck closely to Scripture. He has degrees from Yale Divinity School and Princeton Theological Seminary, and he taught theology at Bethel College in St. Paul, where he created a controversy a few years ago by questioning whether God fully knew the future. Some pastors in his own denomination, the Baptist General Conference, mounted an effort to evict Mr. Boyd from the denomination and his teaching post, but he won that battle.

He is known among evangelicals for a bestselling book, “Letters From a Skeptic,” based on correspondence with his father, a leftist union organizer and a lifelong agnostic — an exchange that eventually persuaded his father to embrace Christianity.

Mr. Boyd said he never intended his sermons to be taken as merely a critique of the Republican Party or the religious right. He refuses to share his party affiliation, or whether he has one, for that reason. He said there were Christians on both the left and the right who had turned politics and patriotism into “idolatry.” He said he first became alarmed while visiting another megachurch’s worship service on a Fourth of July years ago. The service finished with the chorus singing “God Bless America” and a video of fighter jets flying over a hill silhouetted with crosses. “I thought to myself, ‘What just happened? Fighter jets mixed up with the cross?’ ” he said in an interview.

Patriotic displays are still a mainstay in some evangelical churches. Across town from Mr. Boyd’s church, the sanctuary of North Heights Lutheran Church was draped in bunting on the Sunday before the Fourth of July this year for a “freedom celebration.” Military veterans and flag twirlers paraded into the sanctuary, an enormous American flag rose slowly behind the stage, and a Marine major who had served in Afghanistan preached that the military was spending “your hard-earned money” on good causes.

In his six sermons, Mr. Boyd laid out a broad argument that the role of Christians was not to seek “power over” others — by controlling governments, passing legislation or fighting wars. Christians should instead seek to have “power under” others — “winning people’s hearts” by sacrificing for those in need, as Jesus did, Mr. Boyd said. “America wasn’t founded as a theocracy,” he said. “America was founded by people trying to escape theocracies. Never in history have we had a Christian theocracy where it wasn’t bloody and barbaric. That’s why our Constitution wisely put in a separation of church and state. “I am sorry to tell you,” he continued, “that America is not the light of the world and the hope of the world. The light of the world and the hope of the world is Jesus Christ.”

Mr. Boyd lambasted the “hypocrisy and pettiness” of Christians who focus on “sexual issues” like homosexuality, abortion or Janet Jackson’s breast-revealing performance at the Super Bowl halftime show. He said Christians these days were constantly outraged about sex and perceived violations of their rights to display their faith in public. “Those are the two buttons to push if you want to get Christians to act,” he said. “And those are the two buttons Jesus never pushed.”

Some Woodland Hills members said they applauded the sermons because they had resolved their conflicted feelings. David Churchill, a truck driver for U.P.S. and a Teamster for 26 years, said he had been “raised in a religious-right home” but was torn between the Republican expectations of faith and family and the Democratic expectations of his union. When Mr. Boyd preached his sermons, “it was liberating to me,” Mr. Churchill said.

Mr. Boyd gave his sermons while his church was in the midst of a $7 million fund-raising campaign. But only $4 million came in, and 7 of the more than 50 staff members were laid off, he said. Mary Van Sickle, the family pastor at Woodland Hills, said she lost 20 volunteers who had been the backbone of the church’s Sunday school. “They said, ‘You’re not doing what the church is supposed to be doing, which is supporting the Republican way,’ ” she said. “It was some of my best volunteers.”

The Rev. Paul Eddy, a theology professor at Bethel College and the teaching pastor at Woodland Hills, said: “Greg is an anomaly in the megachurch world. He didn’t give a whit about church leadership, never read a book about church growth. His biggest fear is that people will think that all church is is a weekend carnival, with people liking the worship, the music, his speaking, and that’s it.”

In the end, those who left tended to be white, middle-class suburbanites, church staff members said. In their place, the church has added more members who live in the surrounding community — African-Americans, Hispanics and Hmong immigrants from Laos. This suits Mr. Boyd. His vision for his church is an ethnically and economically diverse congregation that exemplifies Jesus’ teachings by its members’ actions. He, his wife and three other families from the church moved from the suburbs three years ago to a predominantly black neighborhood in St. Paul.

Mr. Boyd now says of the upheaval: “I don’t regret any aspect of it at all. It was a defining moment for us. We let go of something we were never called to be. We just didn’t know the price we were going to pay for doing it.”

His congregation of about 4,000 is still digesting his message. Mr. Boyd arranged a forum on a recent Wednesday night to allow members to sound off on his new book. The reception was warm, but many of the 56 questions submitted in writing were pointed: Isn’t abortion an evil that Christians should prevent? Are you saying Christians should not join the military? How can Christians possibly have “power under” Osama bin Laden? Didn’t the church play an enormously positive role in the civil rights movement?

One woman asked: “So why NOT us? If we contain the wisdom and grace and love and creativity of Jesus, why shouldn’t we be the ones involved in politics and setting laws?” Mr. Boyd responded: “I don’t think there’s a particular angle we have on society that others lack. All good, decent people want good and order and justice. Just don’t slap the label ‘Christian’ on it.”

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American Christianity hangs in the balance.

Is Boyd right? Should Christians follow Jesus, or should Christians follow the lead of Osama Bin Laden?

Laura answered on 07/30/06:

The lyrics to this song came about back in the nineties. They were true then and they are truer now as America has not gotten better. It has gotten worse. The world has gotten worse. Those who don't see it are just plain blind. NO...we aren't a Christin nation..not anymore. How sad for us..

I know some say "Ah well our founding fathers had their faults and skeletins in their closets so they had no room to talk. Maybe so but it doesn't change the fact that their premise was right and as the years went on people ignored the need for God and for a Savior in their lives and did their "own thing".. Now look where it's gotten us. I pray for the soul of America. This pastor is wrong wrong wrong for encouraging his congregation to essentially give up.. We've been doing that for a long time now and it's time to WAKE up!!

By Carman:

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson
Samuel Adams, First Chief Justice John Jay
Names synonymous with the spirit of our country
Founding fathers of the U.S.A.

Over 200 years ago they shook off the chains of tyranny from Great Britain
By divine call
Citing 27 biblical violations they wrote the Declaration of Independence
With liberty and justice for all

But something happened since Jefferson called the Bible the cornerstone
For American liberty then put it in our schools as a light
Or since "Give me liberty, or give me death," Patrick Henry said
Our country was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ

We eliminated God from the equation of American life
Thus eliminating the reason this nation first began
From beyond the grave I hear the voices of our founding fathers plead
You need God in America again

Of the 55 men who formed the Constitution
Fifty-two were active members of their church
Founding fathers like Noah Webster who wrote the first dictionary
Could literally quote the Bible chapter and verse

James Madison said, "We've staked our future on our ability to follow
The Ten Commandments with all our heart"
These men believed you couldn't even call yourself an American
If you subvert the Word of God

In his farewell address, Washington said, "You can't have national morality apart from religious principle," and it's true
'Cause right now we have nearly 150,000 kids carrying guns
To these war zones we call public schools

In the 40's and 50's student problems were chewing gum and talking
In the 90's, rape and murder are the trend
The only way this nation can even hope to last this decade
Is put God in America again

The only hope for America is Jesus
The only hope for our country is Him
If we repent of our ways stand firm and say
We need God in America again

Abe Lincoln said, "The philosophy of the classroom in one generation
Will be the philosophy of government of the next"
So when you eliminate the Word of God from the classroom and politics
You eliminate the nation that Word protects

America is now number one in teen pregnancy and violent crime
Number one in illiteracy, drug use, and divorce
Everyday a new holocaust of 5,000 unborn die
While pornography floods our streets like open sewers

America's dead and dying hand is on the threshold of the Church
While the spirit of Sodom and Gomorrah vex us all
When it gets to the point where people would rather
Come out of the closet than clean it
It's a sign that the judgment of God is gonna fall

If there's ever been a time to rise up Church, it's now
And as the blood bought saints of the living God proclaim
That it's time to sound the alarm from the Church house to the White House
And say, "We want God in America again"

I believe it's time for America to stand up and proclaim
That one nation under God is our demand
And send this evil lifestyle back to Satan where it came from
And let the Word of God revive our dying land

For Jesus Christ is coming back again in all His glory
And every eye shall see Him on that day
That's why a new anointing of God's power's coming on us
To boldly tell the world you must be saved

Because astrology won't save you, your horoscope won't save you
The Bible says these things are all a farce
If you're born again, you don't need to look to the stars for your answers
'Cause you can look to the very One who made those stars

History tells us time and time again
To live like there's no God makes you a fool
If you want to see kids live right
Stop handing out condoms and start handing out the Word of God in schools

The only hope for America is Jesus
The only hope for our country is Him
If we repent of our ways
Stand firm and say
We need God in America again

We need God in America
God in America
God in America again

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jackreade asked on 07/29/06 - Strange Bedfellows?

(CBS) This article was written by CBSNews.com intern Brian Goodman.


"On Friday, July 7, Army 1st Lieutenant Forrest P. Ewens was buried at a respectful ceremony in Arlington National Cemetery, which many consider to be the most hallowed ground in the United States.

But the peace was disrupted by protests from members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas. In a cordoned-off area by the entrance to the cemetery, they carried signs with anti-gay and anti-American slogans and proclaimed that Ewens' death in Afghanistan on June 16 was another sign of God's impeding doom on the nation.

Westboro has taken what it calls "love crusades" to military funerals across the country. The church was not protesting at the funeral because Ewens was gay, but because he died, in their view, serving a country that has incurred the wrath of God by accepting and tolerating homosexuality.

Now the father of a slain serviceman whose funeral was disrupted is suing the church in an attempt to fight back against what he views as the abuse of military families with a message of hate.


Westboro Baptist Church was founded by Fred Phelps in Topeka, Kan., in 1955. The church — unaffiliated with any mainstream Baptist organization — has always "preached against all forms of sin," as its Web site says. Church members began demonstrating against homosexuality 15 years ago. According to Phelps's daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper, Westboro believes that America is damned to eternal punishment because the country is accepting of homosexuality and other "sins of the flesh."

"When you see a people who have risen up with one voice to say 'it's OK to be gay,' you are looking at a doomed people," she said. "They have crossed the line."


The church of about 100 members is made up primarily of Phelps's supposed family. Westboro directs most of its preaching against homosexuality and America's acceptance of gays, whom Phelps-Roper calls "the bottom rung on the depravity chain."



Westboro views the deaths of American servicemen in the Middle East to be one of the many ways God is enacting his vengeance and judgment on the nation. The church has therefore taken to protesting at military funerals to get that message out.

"Our job," Phelps-Roper stated, "is to put this cup of his wrath and fury to the lips of this nation and make them drink it."

For the first time since members of Westboro began protesting at military funerals, someone is using the courts to stop them. A distraught father has filed suit in Maryland against what he views as a gross violation of privacy and intentional emotional abuse."

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Now for the strange bed fellows....The ACLU agreed last week to take the Westboro Church as a client based on FreeSpeech first amendment rights.

Interesting...


Any comments?







By Brian M. Goodman
©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Laura answered on 07/29/06:

People have a right to express their views in this country. It's how this particular group expresses them that disturbs me. It's sick and violates the privacy of others who deserve the right to grieve in peace.

God is not killing our service men and women because of America's sin. Terrorists are killing them because of hate.

The last rumor I heard was that the ACLU was trying to have all crosses and any other religious symbols removed from federal property (which would include Arlington). Nothing the ACLU does suprises me.

"However"...The Bible speaks of a day in which all nations will be judged. But God promises that if we will repent and turn from our wicked ways He will hear us and forgive us and heal our lands. How much longer will we turn a blind eye and "wink" at sin?

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jackreade asked on 07/29/06 - This Guy Made "Passion of the Christ"

Mel Gibson was arrested for drunk driving; here is a printed copy of what happened between Gibson and the arresting officer:::

"TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report.

Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

The deputy became alarmed as Gibson's tirade escalated, and called ahead for a sergeant to meet them when they arrived at the station. When they arrived, a sergeant began videotaping Gibson, who noticed the camera and then said, "What the f*** do you think you're doing?"

A law enforcement source says Gibson then noticed another female sergeant and yelled, "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?"

We're told Gibson took two blood alcohol tests, which were videotaped, and continued saying how "f****d" he was and how he was going to "f***" Deputy Mee.

Gibson was put in a cell with handcuffs on. He said he needed to urinate, and after a few minutes tried manipulating his hands to unzip his pants. Sources say Deputy Mee thought Gibson was going to urinate on the floor of the booking cell and asked someone to take Gibson to the bathroom.

After leaving the bathroom, Gibson then demanded to make a phone call. He was taken to a pay phone and, when he didn't get a dial tone, we're told Gibson threw the receiver against the phone. Deputy Mee then warned Gibson that if he damaged the phone he could be charged with felony vandalism. We're told Gibson was then asked, and refused, to sign the necessary paperwork and was thrown in a detox cell.

Deputy Mee then wrote an eight-page report detailing Gibson's rampage and comments. Sources say the sergeant on duty felt it was too "inflammatory." A lieutenant and captain then got involved and calls were made to Sheriff's headquarters. Sources say Mee was told Gibson's comments would incite a lot of "Jewish hatred," that the situation in Israel was "way too inflammatory." It was mentioned several times that Gibson, who wrote, directed, and produced 2004's "The Passion of the Christ," had incited "anti-Jewish sentiment" and "For a drunk driving arrest, is this really worth all that?"....."

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He's just another anti-Semite after all. I remember watching the movie and fast forwarding through all the gore which was way over the top.


Comments?

Laura answered on 07/29/06:

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Mel Gibson's statement on drunk driving arrest
Associated Press
The following is the complete text of Mel Gibson's statement regarding his arrest for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol:

"After drinking alcohol on Thursday night, I did a number of things that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed. I drove a car when I should not have, and was stopped by the L.A. County sheriff's. The arresting officer was just doing his job and I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person.

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said and I apologize to anyone who I have offended.

"Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved for my belligerent behavior. They have always been there for me in my community and indeed probably saved me from myself. I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry.

"I have battled the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse. I apologize for any behavior unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health."
.........................................

Sorry he got caught or really sorry? I don't know him but I do know this. As a person who has battled with alcohol myself I know "KNOW" that when I have drank I have said mean and hurtful things that I know in my heart that I didn't mean.. When an alcoholic can't remember what they have said it's called blackouts. A very sad and frustrating situation to be in when you've mouthed off at someone and you can't for the life of you remember what you said.

It's no excuse but alcoholism is a real disease and without help it's hard to beat..Even with help it's hard to beat..

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jackreade asked on 07/27/06 - Riddle

"I don't know if you have heard this pro-choice and pro-stem-cell-research riddle: Suppose there is a fire at a fertility clinic. In one room is a freezer with 100 embryos. In another room is a baby. Now, suppose you have only enough time to enter ONE room. Do you save the baby, or the freezer?

The Republican case is that you must save the freezer, not the baby, because there are 100 "babies" in the freezer and only one in the other room"...
Dave Johnson, Blogger

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Which would you save?
Comments..

Laura answered on 07/27/06:

I would save the baby. I really don't think that this question has as much to do with Republicans/Democrats as much as common sence/instinct.

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cheriskae asked on 07/25/06 - Religion

In what ways do churches , sects, and cults differ?

Laura answered on 07/25/06:

We have a friend once involved in a "Christian" church but their doctrine was not in line with scripture. Members were not allowed to discuss the practices of the church with outsiders.

They were not allowed to associate with family members who did not hold to their beliefs. One of his brothers was serving time in prison and he was not allowed to visit him or comfort him in any way. He was not allowed to speak to his parents because they disaproved of the church leaders and their doctrine.

While his brother was still in prison his father became very ill with cancer. Dispite threats from their pastor, he visited his father and realized what a mistake he had made all these years. He went to visit his brother too. So many years lost because of false doctrine and IMHO evil practices. He stayed by his father's side until his dying breath and saw his brother often until he got out of prison.

Thank God his father died knowing that his son finally came to his sences and that his family was together again. This son suffered intence grief at what he had put his family through and suffered severe depression for months.

True Christian Churches and true doctrine wouldn't do this to a family.

That is one example I can see of the differences between a legitimate church and a sect or cult.

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HANK1 asked on 07/24/06 - GOD AND ATHEISTS:



Do you think ATHEISTS become apprehensive at times about dying because they think there just might be a God afterall?

HANK

Laura answered on 07/25/06:

I have never personally known a true athiest that has passed on. Agnostics..yes. So I can't say what an athiest might be thinking as his life nears the end.

There have been Christians I have known who in thier dying hours voiced doubts just as Thomas did but ultimately they put their trust (and their doubts) in the hand of God in trust and faith. I can't imagine dying without that trust and faith.

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MaggieB asked on 07/24/06 - I will be gone for several days so please do not be "exasperated" if you have answered one o

I have to be at the hospital at 6:00 a.m. Tuesday morning for surgery so it is a great probability that
I will not be on my computer for a short time.

Thanks and God bless,

MaggieB

Laura answered on 07/24/06:

Take care and God bless and have a fast recovery. Saying a prayer for you.

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MaggieB asked on 07/20/06 - As Christians we should not let ourselves be "used" by those who do not believe in God as we



Three young Jewish men face
the ultimate test of their convictions when the king threatened to
throw them into a blazing furnace if they did not bow to a golden
image, the three calmly refused to compromise; "We will not serve your
gods or worship the image of gold you have set up" (Daniel 3:18).

These three men had learned the importance of convictions when they
were first brought as captives to Babylon. They were selected, along
with another young man named Daniel, for a special program to prepare
them to serve the Babylonian king. One of the "benefits" of this
program was being fed choice food and drink from the king's table. But
Daniel knew these special favors were designed to pull them into a
culture that did not honor God.

Daniel 1:8
"Daniel resolved not to defile himself with the royal food and wine,
and he asked the chief official for permission not to defile himself this way."

Although Daniel was determined not to partake in the ways of his
captives, his initial approach was to graciously ask permission for him
and his friends to follow their convictions. Daniel was resolved, but
he also knew the importance of serving God through his interaction with
other people.

Daniel continued to minister in this foreign land for over sixty
years. He was a respected advisor to four different kings and taught
them many lessons about the One True God. During this time, his faith
was severely tested and he often faced great pressures to adopt the
value system of ungodly people. But Daniel was prepared with a resolve
that he would continue to follow God and God alone.

Many of us live in an environment which is hostile to the ways of
God. Some are in work environments which actively promote ungodly
activities and strike down those who even mention God. Many more of us
face subtle hostilities which call faith a crutch for the weak and
uneducated, and teach a truth which is relative and continually
changing. Many ministry leaders even face pressures to dilute the
gospel truth in the name of a distorted view of grace, tolerance, and
the importance of increased membership.

We must resolve not to defile ourselves by compromising our convictions
or lowering our standards - our lives as well as our message must
remain true to God's Word. But we must also keep the doors open for
the opportunity to minister and shine His light into the darkness. Our
convictions must stand firm; and yet, they must be implemented with
true grace and compassion. Let's show the world around us the
unfailing and never-changing love of God through a firm and gentle resolve.

MaggieB

Laura answered on 07/21/06:

Unbelievers engage in a form of denial when it comes to persecution of Christians.

They deny that they do so even though they put down just about everything that Christians have to say about our Lord and they say straight out that we are weak and "religion" is our crutch (though religion really has nothing to do with it) and they say that we "shove" our beliefs down their throats no matter how we say what we say..I mean really, we could be meek about it or bold about it but it's still considered "shoving it down their throats" to them.

They simply want us to shut up and keep our opinions limited to the inside of the church walls and our homes.

It just isn't gonna happen folks. Believers are compelled by their Lord to follow His command..Proclaim the Gospel to the world. We will never stop so you might as well stop asking us to.

The bottom line is that they do not believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father and they believe that we are predjudice and narrow minded to think that way. So they don't like to hear it and they don't want to. I recall a scripture that speaks of this.. Those who don't want to see the light because the light would expose darkness and evil..But they don't understand that such an exposure is in actuality the very thing that will free them.

How many of us were just like that at one time and now follow Christ? Millions all around the world. And that's because someone went out there and professed the Word of God. And they didn't care what anyone had to say about it.

An eye opener and a very good post Maggie!

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HANK1 asked on 07/18/06 - HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO RELAX:



"If you're constantly thinking about what you'd rather be doing—getting off work, driving a different car, or eating dessert, your mind is starving for mindfulness. So what? Well, if you're reading an instant message and talking on your cell phone while thinking about things you need to get at the store, you're not doing any of these things fully—and essentially, you're missing out on your own life.
The antidote? Mindfulness. Mindfulness is a quality you can cultivate in any situation—whether you're walking down the street or washing the dishes. Although grounded in Buddhism, this practice is accessible to people of any faith. In mindfulness meditation you stop the restlessness of your mind by focusing your undivided attention on whatever you're experiencing in the here and now. The simplest version involves simply focusing on your breath. By enhancing your awareness in this way, you calm your mind, experience life more fully, and bring new clarity of thought to any situation that comes your way."

Source: Beliefnet

Is meditation a spiritual exercise?

HANK

Laura answered on 07/19/06:

As one in her late forties I find my mind is not cooperating with me as well as I would like these days. It could use some mental excersises. I'm undecided about whether meditation should be practiced by a Christian. At least not the meditation of eastern practices. Maybe I don't understand what the word really means.

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margie asked on 07/18/06 - bible woman hero?

do you have a faverite bible woman who is your hero?

Laura answered on 07/19/06:

I don't know about being a hero but I can relate to Zipporah. Look at what she put up with by marrying Moses!! LOL

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Erewhon asked on 07/19/06 - Mary Magdalen ......................... Why unjustly sully her good reputation?



Why are some men so eager to paint Mary Magdalene as a woman of ill repute when there is absolutely no scriptural or historical evidence that indicates that she was anything other than an upright and good woman from whom evil spirits had been expelled by Jesus?

Even an atheist who has no other purpose than to impose insults and rudeness to the Christianity Board has joined in the hue and cry to hound this woman and continue to sully her reputation, undeservedly, without putting forth one jot of evidence that she deserves his opprobrium.

Her surname, Magdalene, means "a tower" and likely identifies her as hailing from Magdala, a town in Galilee (mentioned only in Matt. 15:39). In the parallel passage in Mark 8:10 this place is called Dalmanutha and is recognised as the birthplace of Mary called the Magdalen, or Mary Magdalene.

It was on the west shore of the Lake of Tiberias, and is now probably the small obscure village called el-Mejdel, about 3 miles north-west of Tiberias. In the Talmud this city is called "the city of colour," and a particular district of it was called "the tower of dyers." The indigo plant was much cultivated here.

When the Saviour had given his life, after he had fulfilled his mission, having organized his church and set in it divine authority, and after he had suffered crucifixion, Mary Magdalene was the first to be apprised of the new life that was the result of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

She is not to be confused with the unnamed though repentant sinner who anointed Jesus' feet in the home of Simon. (Luke 7:36-50.) It is one of the basest slanders of all history to suppose that Mary of Magdala was a fallen woman and therefore to use the term 'Magdalene' as an appellation descriptive of reformed prostitutes as uninformed mythmakers have done and still do. There is no period of her life that was marked by the sin of unchastity, so far as the scriptures aver.

Alfred Edersheim says: "Mary Magdalene ... was as prominent among the pious women as Peter was among the Apostles." (Edersheim, "Life of Christ" 2:631.)

Nothing in the scriptural record warrants the repellent imputation of unchastity to the devoted soul of Mary Magdalene.



Laura answered on 07/19/06:

How many upright and good people do you know that need to have evil spirits expelled from them?

Seriously though, Mary Magdalene was no differant than the rest of us. A sinner in need of a Savior. And she recieved that through the sacrafice that Jesus made for all mankind.

To have anything against her would be to judge myself.

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hOPE12 asked on 05/31/06 - Please can you give me some ideas?

Hello Everyone,

One thing I respect about many of you experts on this board is that you all seem to have various knowledge about many topics. I sure could use some serious suggestions about depression and suicide.

I am in the process of helping a Bible student of mine to deal with many problems they have. Last Sunday He tried to take a gun to his head and end it all. I spent most of the week at the local hospital where the police placed him under the Baker act. They allowed him to come back home on Frinday. His mother is here until this weekend and she is leaving for New York. She has asked me to keep an eye on him and I don't mind but I really need some serious suggestion on what I might say or do to help him. Here are some facts.

He is very depressed and will not take any medications.
Would it be wrong for me to put it in his food without him knowing it? He is 32.

He still is talking about killing himself and I know once his mother leaves he might try it again. Is there anything I can do to prevent him from hurting himself? If he gets Baker acted again they will committ him.

His wife left him and took the children to New Jersey. Seeing he live in Florida, it is too far to visit all the time.

His father is an alcholic and because this guy rents a trailer from him, he visits his son and puts him down and tells him he is no good, and will never amount to anything, and if he really wanted to kill himself,he would have done it already.

His so called friends all sponge money off him and then never pay it back, now that he needs help, his so called friends are no where to be found.

What can I do as a minister and one who is studying the Bible with him? When is it time for me to just let them committ him? Should I tell the family it is their responsibilty to care for their family member? What would you do?

Thank you ahead of time for your suggestions and please if I do not reply right away it is because I am trying so hard to keep this guy from hurting himself. I really feel sorry for him, because he is the nicest guy when he is not so depressed. He cares for everyone around him and when the huricanes last year hit, he was going all around his neighborhood checking on people, cooking food and taking it to him. Now he needs help ad no one is there to really reach out to him. I want to help his so bad, but I have run out of ideas to help. My family needs me also. HELP???????

Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 05/31/06:

This would be beyond any of our abilities to help this person to our fullest.. I would strongly suggest that you contact the dept of human services in your area and give them the name and address of this person and tell them the situation. I would also contact the local police and tell them that this guy is suicidal and his family is attempting to leave you in charge when it is not your responsibility. I understand the need to help him but this is way too deep for one single person without the skills to deal with it.. It was selfish of his mother to expect you to do so... Get help and get it fast. God bless.

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Jesushelper76 asked on 04/13/06 - HAPPY EASTER TO EVERYONE!!!!!!!

Happy easter to everybody on the board. Hope you all enjoy the holiday. God bless!

Joe

Laura answered on 04/14/06:

Thank you. You have a blessed Easter as well. Laura

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arcura asked on 04/14/06 - Do you agree with what the pope said about Judas?

Pope Focuses on Mystery of Judas' Betrayal
Apostle Rejected God's Love, Says Benedict XVI

VATICAN CITY, APRIL 13, 2006 (Zenit.org).- In his homily at the Mass of the Lord's Supper, Benedict XVI assured the faithful that the mystery of Judas consists precisely in his rejection of God's love.

Judas Iscariot personifies "treacherous man," for whom money, power and success are more important than love and he does not hesitate to sell Jesus, the Pope said at the Mass on the evening of Holy Thursday.

The Holy Father's comments came in the wake of the recently divulged "Gospel of Judas," an ancient document that puts the apostle and his betrayal of Christ in a positive light. It describes Judas, in fact, as obeying a divine ordinance in handing over Jesus to the authorities.

In his homily, Benedict XVI, on the contrary, stressed the freedom of the apostle who betrayed Jesus for 30 denarii, as the canonical Gospels explain.

"The dark mystery exists of the rejection, made present with what happened to Judas and, precisely on Holy Thursday, on the day that Jesus gives himself up, should make us reflect," said the Pontiff. "The Lord's love knows no limits, but man can put a limit."

Rejection

Benedict XVI then asked: "What does this do to treacherous man?" And he responded: "The rejection of love, not wanting to be loved, not loving. Pride which thinks it has no need of purification, which closes itself to the saving goodness of God."

"In Judas," he said, "we see the nature of this rejection still more clearly. He judges Jesus according to the categories of power and success: For him, power and success alone are the reality, love does not count.

"And he is avid: Money is more important than communion with Jesus, it is more important than God and his love."

"In this way," the Holy Father explained, "he also becomes a liar, who plays a game of double jeopardy, and breaks with truth, someone who lives in lies, thus losing the sense of the highest truth, of God."

"In this way, he becomes hard and incapable of conversion, of the confident return of the prodigal son, and throws away his destroyed life."

Laura answered on 04/14/06:

John.17
[12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Jesus said that Judas was the son of hell. I think that Jesus knew the intent of Judas' heart because I doubt that he would have so strongly worded his opinion of Judas if he haden't. So I would say that I agree with the Pope.

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arcura asked on 04/11/06 - Agree or Disagree. Send your opinion to E-mail address below

FORGET ABOUT CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ, ONE IS COMING TO AMERICA

By Pastor Chuck Baldwin
April 11, 2006
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While American troops are hunkered down in "safe zones" in Iraq trying to stay out of an escalating civil war, our government seems oblivious to a growing threat of civil war right here in the United States. As anyone can see, millions of illegal aliens living here are becoming more vocal, more demonstrative, more belligerent, and more violence-prone by the day. Unless our government takes deliberate and significant action immediately, America could be in for serious civil unrest real soon.
It is absolutely incredible that our government would tolerate people who are not even legal residents of our country to generate the kind of mass demonstrations and protests that we are witnessing on a daily basis! It is more than incredible; it is outrageous!
According to The Christian Science Monitor (April 10, 2006), immigrants (most of them illegal) are "mobilizing for major 'action.'" Nearly 100 American cities will soon feel the brunt of this "action."
Organizers describe these coming demonstrations as "the biggest social movement of Hispanics since the United Farm Workers of Cesar Chavez." In addition, organizers predict that thousands of Muslims will also join millions of illegal Hispanics on what can only be regarded as an anti-America crusade.
The American people need to understand that the United States is under attack! No, not by Iraq or Iran, but by Mexico! Yes, Martha, you had better believe it. The Mexican government is deliberately and systematically working to destabilize and undermine the very fabric and framework of American society. And President George W. Bush and Senators John McCain and Ted Kennedy (among others) are aiding and abetting this effort.
Right now, much of Latin America is embroiled in a serious takeover by Leftist-Marxists. In all likelihood, Mexico's next leader will be an open Leftist. Vicente Fox has helped create an increased appetite for socialism (not that Mexico ever had a true understanding of freedom and republicanism), and the next Mexican leader is certain to finish the job.
However, Fox has done more than turn his own country leftward. He has superintended over the biggest invasion of the United States in our country's history. That's right, invasion! A close, personal friendship with President George W. Bush has given Fox the opportunity to purposely allow (or even send) millions of criminals, thugs, anarchists, and potential terrorists to swarm over our southern border in breathtaking numbers. (As I have chronicled before in this column, nearly half of all illegal aliens currently living in the U.S. came here since Bush became president in 2000.)
Yet, while Mexican President Fox encourages and even promotes massive illegal immigration to the U.S., his own country's constitution in Chapter 3, Article 33, states, "The Executive of the Union has the exclusive right to expel from the national territory, immediately and without necessity of judicial proceedings, all foreigners whose stay it judges inconvenient. Foreigners may not, in any manner, involve themselves in the political affairs of the country." Imagine that.
Even without the massive demonstrations by millions of foreign invaders, America is reeling from the negative effects that these people have created. In an open letter to President Bush, Ron Maxwell (writer and director of "Gettysburg" and "Gods and Generals") wrote, "Where was the concern for American schoolchildren forced to sit in overcrowded classes, for American patients forced to wait in overcrowded hospitals, for American workers whose wages are being undercut, for American drivers forced to sit in interminable traffic jams in over-whelmed freeway systems, for the victims of organized gangs, for the American college students who are turned away from publicly funded state universities, for many African Americans who are being literally displaced from their neighborhoods while being moved figuratively, once again, to the back of the bus, for those environmentalists and conservationists who want to protect open space and slow down urban sprawl, for the American taxpayers who have had to bear the burden of billions of dollars in increased welfare costs, over-burdened prisons, extra police and security and even, adding insult to injury, for bilingual education?" (Source: The Washington Times, April 6, 2006)
I trust Mr. Maxwell is not holding his breath while he waits for President Bush to respond, because Bush knows the problems his laxity and indifference have created and frankly, my dear, doesn't give a darn!
If anything is going to be done about the illegal alien problem it will be because the American people, conservatives, liberals, moderates, independents, whites, blacks, Hispanics, Jews and Gentiles, young and old, from blue states and red states, from big cities and small farms, Christians and unbelievers stand up and in no uncertain terms demand that the Congress of the United States put a stop to it NOW!
This means making it a crime for any employer to knowingly hire an illegal alien punishable with serious fines and imprisonment for repeat offenses. It means demanding that our federal government seal our borders (especially the southern one) and stop the tide of foreign invasion immediately. If Saudi Arabia can put up a security fence between itself and Iraq (and it is doing just that), we can put one up between us and Mexico! It means to stop underwriting these foreign invaders by not paying for their health care, schooling, and food stamps. It means to stop giving them drivers licenses. It means making certain punishment worse than any potential benefit.
We can either deal with the illegal immigration problem now as described above or we will certainly deal with open civil war in the very near future. The American people better decide right now which it will be, because time is running out for Congress to be able to fix the problem. Once that happens, we won't have to worry about civil war in Iraq, it will happen right here in the United States.

Chuck Baldwin is Founder-Pastor of Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. In 1985 the church was recognized by President Ronald Reagan for its unusual growth and influence.


E-mail: chuck@chuckbaldwinlive.com

Laura answered on 04/12/06:

I don't understand what all the commotion is about. ANYBODY who comes to this country should go through the proper procedures before being allowed in. You know, on Ellis Island, folks had medical exams before they were allowed in. They had to write down the name and address of whatever family member or friend that they were going to be staying with. Rules are NOT made to be broken.. Do it legally, you have the countries blessings. Sneak over and you should be sent back.. I can't beleive so many Americans disagree with that.

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hOPE12 asked on 04/03/06 - Here is Something to think about!

Hello Everyone,

There was a boy and his father walking along and came upon a huge rock in their path.l They stopped and then the Boy said "Daddy do you think if I use all my strength, do you think I can move that rock? The father said: "If you use all your strength you can."

The little boy, tried and tried again and again, and with little beads of water dripping down his tiny forehead, he sat down and began to cry, saying: " Daddy you were wrong, I can't move that rock." The father put his arm around the tiny boy and said: "Yes, you can, if you use all your strength." You didn't ask for my help." Together we can move this Rock! Together they we able to move the huge rock.

So to when we have a task that is like that huge rock we need to ask our heavenly Father for help and then we have all the strength we need to accmplish what we need to accomplish.

Here is my question:

Can you relate a personal experience where you have received strength from God to deal with a large task or some sort of illness of even strength to deal with something, you could not have dealt with on your own?

Take care,
Hope 12

Laura answered on 04/03/06:

Yes I can relate well at this time. My husband and I are facing major life changes concerning his employment and future. We have options, none of which are secure and all of which would be major changes in the way we have lived for the past 28 years. We are asking God to help us with this and to help us to make a wise informed choice. And we DO need God's help. It is very hard. Harder than I ever thought. So if you could help by keeping us in your prayers it would be appreciated. Thanks. Laura

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Erewhon asked on 03/30/06 - Resurrection - Easter Thoughts for Christian Experts ...



Critics of the resurrection and the existence of the spirit frequently quote from Ecclesiastes 9:4-10, particularly stressing verses 5 and 10:

'For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.'

'Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, no device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.'


And from Isaiah 38:18:

'For the grave cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for the truth.'

Other references are quoted from Ezekiel 18:4 and 20:

'The soul that sinneth, it shall die.'

What explanation can you offer for these verses that will not undermine the doctrine of the Universal resurrection form the dead?



Laura answered on 03/31/06:

It is my opinion that whether we "sleep" until the resurection or go immediately to God, it will feel the same. Haven't you gone to sleep at night and woke up in the morning feeling like you just went to sleep? Either way it won't feel like any time has passed at all.

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ROLCAM asked on 03/31/06 - I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS TO BE CORRECT !!

I must preface this post by stating that I have no way of accessing this article.

Long-Awaited Medical Study Questions the Power of Prayer.

By BENEDICT CAREY

Published: March 31, 2006
Prayers by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large study has found.

This gives rise to a number of comments.

1)I am a strong believer of the POWER OF PRAYER.

2)Can anyone with access to the N Y Times please
help us to read the full article.

Much more important:-

What are your views ??

Laura answered on 03/31/06:

Maybe God doesn't respond well to dictated prayer for the purposes of research. Perhaps it offends Him.

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sarnian asked on 02/27/06 - I'm now even wondering more ....

In my post "Just Wondering" on 24/02/06 Whitefawn posted :

"Why do I feel, as if ATHEISM want's me to convert to not believing in God?"

On this board of Christianity many people post from a christian perspective. Nothing strange, nothing new, nothing unespected.
But are all christian posters trying to convert others here to christianity? Surely not.

So why would christians on this board feel as if a single post following up on a statement elswhere by Hank ("Lets's debate atheism") is an attempt "to convert (anyone) to not believing in God?"

Nowhere ever have I attempted to convert anyone to atheism. All I do is pointing out the lack of any supportive evidence for (the christian) religion, and the often shizophrenic approach by some "christians" who at one side loudly claim their strong belief in the christian god, while at the other side show in their posts just the opposite attitude, lacking any form of christian love and forgiveness but replacing that with their petty hatred and despise.

I also saw a reaction by Hank in some different lead in which he stated that "he will never debate with atheists".

Are "christians" perhaps afraid to learn more on the basics of atheism?

Is their faith and belief system that poor?
Or is it perhaps a matter of closedmindedness?
Or fear?
Or all of these?

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Laura answered on 02/28/06:

I also saw a reaction by Hank in some different lead in which he stated that "he will never debate with atheists".

Are "christians" perhaps afraid to learn more on the basics of atheism?

Is their faith and belief system that poor?
Or is it perhaps a matter of closedmindedness?
Or fear?
Or all of these?

What is the point in dabating with an athiest.....The Christian view and and atheist view are like black and white. All that a Christian can do is show evidence of his "faith". That evidence is not accepted by an athiest as "truth" because it cannot be proven with intellect. It is a spiritual discernment.

That doesn't make it any less of a truth to the believer than the athiest view of what he believes.

I can't speak for anyone else but I am certainly not afraid to learn more on the basics of athiesm. However they are so far left of what I believe that I cannot even fatham the possibility that there is no God.

It is a matter of faith sarnian. The Bible says that each man is given a measure of faith. If faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains, it doesn't take much to believe in God. All one has to do is look around.

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deardra asked on 02/28/06 - what would you want me to tell your kids?

What should I say when a little kid I am babysitting talks to me about his ideas about rligion and god? I dont have christian beliefs and ideas but I dont want to interfere with anyones beleifs or be over bound in what I say to chirstins kids. The little kid I was babysitting last night said to me when people die they get burried in the cemetary and you go visit them there and take flowers and then the dead people go to heaven. I know some people do get burried in cemetaries when thy die and I know people like to go visit their dead family and friends and take flowers. But that isn't the way life is for everyone. Lots of people dont get burried and I dont believe in a place called heaven that dead people go to. Im going to tell my friends about it but it was so late when they got home I didnt say anything last night so Im wondering what you would tell me if I was babysiting your kids and they said something like to me what would you want me to say? I told him that is what some people think and other people think different things. He proved it to me by saying he has seen the cemetaries.

Laura answered on 02/28/06:

I would say that if he didn't ask you a specific question then just a friendly smile in responce to his "observation" would be sufficient.

If he were my child and he actually asked you a question pertaining to religiion or God, then I would want you to say something like: Honey, those are questions that you should ask your mom or dad.

Depending on the age of the child also has alot to do with his readiness to understand in his mind that people do think differently about things.

The responce that you gave him to his observation was fine. You didn't put down his belief nor did you attempt to push yours on him.

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MaggieB asked on 02/28/06 - This is not a question but just a note to Pete.


Pete,

I will not tell you of my past, it is noone's business but mine but many people know and knew me then and know me now. Only through accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of God who forgave me of my sins could I be the person I am today. You see I know that
God is real without a shadow of a doubt and I know that the Holy Spirit lives within me and leads, guides me and directs me daily.

As a child and a middle school kid I was scared of God because I had been told that God'll get you if you are mean and don't listen. When I gave my life to Jesus I still didn't totally give myself to Him and felt as if yes, I know Him, and that is what I am suppose to do. But I was never completely satisfied, there was always a longing and searching for more. There was more to it than I had perceived. Please believe me when I say, after a time I got to the point where I questioned my salvation. Then I started praying to God every chance I got, I read the Scriptures, mainly the Gospel of John and asked God to take me and use me for His service, still holding back some but eventually I surrendered to Him and through His love I have become a person I never knew.
I trust Him to take care of me and my family. I tell Him what bothers me, I prayed for my marriage to be as
my husband and I were when we were dating and first married, yes, we are totally in love, more than ever and we laugh the majority of the time unless one of us is desparetly ill and then we still look at each other as a young couple with desire and a love that will not die until God calls one of us home.

So many times we are the center of conversations because neither was my husband what he should be, there has been many prayers that have brought this couple before the throne of God and this is not bragging it is in thanksgiving for our lives and what Jesus Christ has done for us. We both had talents we didn't know we had, Jesus showed us so as we are in service to Him and others. We want to do these things not because it surely pleases God but because HE put this love in our hearts for others and ourselves and we are running over with love, compassion and happiness that we never had. A joy and happiness that unless you have a "real" relationship with the Saviour, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, you willl never understand. Noone can totally describe it to you it comes from the living waters that only Jesus Christ can give. It is truely unbelieveable and that is why unbelievers cannot fathom the love of God. If anyone ever gives themselves to Jesus Christ totally,
they will never be the same again.

Christians are not better than anyone else but to put it mildly they are not worse than others either. We all make mistakes, fall short of the mark and have different personalities, in short we are human.

You say you have always been good, good for you, there are millions of people just like you all over the world who think that because they are moral people that they need nothing else. But to have the joy unspeakable and full of glory in you life cannot be had by just saying I am OK. Can I prove God lives, you bethcha but only because He lives in me and I know, that I know, that I know. Why do you think you are on this Christianity site? Because the Holy Spirit is causing you to have doubts as to whether God is real which many of you say cannot be proved, not even by looking at the vast oceans, mountains, flowers, animals and the smile of a small child. But, a big bang did not haphazardly throw all the heavens, earth and sea together and "boom" there was
everybody with every minute particle in us just exactly right to make us live and breath, to make the animals know how to take care of themselves, oh no, and they are still monkeys and chimps alive today but they are not able to do many things we do so with all respect for those who believe Darwin's theory, it just won't wash because we who have accepted Christ' death and resurrection and when He acsended into heaven He sent a comfortor to lead us, we know that we are of a "special kind". That is why we wish to see other people enjoy the love He gives. It is not my way to push Christianity on anyone. Yes it is nice to know that when Christians passover to the other side they will not face destruction but the joy of it all will be to thank the One who suffered, bled and died for us and to share His glory forever and ever.

Love to you and God bless,

MaggieB

Laura answered on 02/28/06:

Very well said Maggie. I wish that folks like you would hang around more often. I think I understand why you don't though. But it's still a shame.. I have missed you. God bless. Laura

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arcura asked on 02/28/06 - Could this joke be found to be funny by a Christian?

A man and woman were having dinner in a fine restaurant. Their waitress, taking another order at a table a few steps away, suddenly noticed that the man was slowly sliding down his chair and under the table, but the woman acted unconcerned. The waitress watched
as the man slid all the way down his chair and out of sight under the table. Still, the woman dining across from him appeared calm and unruffled, apparently unaware that her dining companion had disappeared. After the waitress finished taking the order, she
came over to the table and said to the woman, "Pardon me, ma'am, but I think your husband just slid under the table."
The woman calmly looked up at her and said, "No he didn't. He just walked in the door."

Laura answered on 02/28/06:

Sadly Fred I must admit an ever so slight grin when I read it. But truly to answer your question. NO. It's kinda like winking at sin.

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sissypants asked on 02/27/06 - The Civil War

now that the battle has ended and the dead and wounded have been cleared from the battle fields (boards), the families and friends have been torn apart....the steam is still rising from the slain and smittten and the smoke is still in the air from the guns, the rancid smell of death in the air....is everyone happy!?

Laura answered on 02/27/06:

No!! I honestly don't think that anyone turned them in other than themselves with the exception of ATON who I believe has said that he doesn't turn people in. They all did it to themselves. I'm not happy at all about it. I'm disapointed with all of them.

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MaggieB asked on 02/27/06 - Suspended

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I have been a christian for 27 years and am active in my Church. I am trained in theophostic ministry and a life member of the Full Gospel Business Men's Fellowship.

I have written a book which is basicly testimony of my Christian walk
"have you met any raving ratbags lately"

I also respect and use the works of Josh McDowell as references
Evidence that demands a verdict.
A ready defence.

I quote extensively from the New International version of the Holy Bible.

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Laura answered on 02/27/06:

What can I say! And I'm not sure that anyone reported any of them. All management had to do was take a gander at just the last few days of this "war of the words".

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MaggieB asked on 02/27/06 - Suspended

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Laura answered on 02/27/06:

Yep! Can't say that I don't understand why though.

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Laura answered on 02/27/06:

It's been an interesting week to say the least Maggie. This will get me a few black stars but I just can't control myself.. Too much testosterone, EGO, and pride amoungst "some" of the gentlemen this week. And I think a couple of them are miffed with me for pointing that out.. Not to mention that I refuse to condemn ATON to hell or compare him to Satan.

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revdauphinee asked on 02/27/06 - Humorous posts!




some folks recently have indicated a dislike for the humorous posts I put on here ,if i offend you then I am sory ,however I believe my God has a sence of humor also if you dont Im sory but have you looked in the mirror lately????

Laura answered on 02/27/06:

I like your posts! Keep them coming. It may be all we have to comment on for awhile. :-) I believe that God has a sence of humor too!! P.S. When I look in the mirror I don't know whether to laugh or cry LOL.

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sarnian asked on 02/27/06 - Just Wondering on Hank ...

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  • In "LET'S PURSUE ATHEISM, SHALL WE?" HANK1 asked on 02/23/06 :

    "Yes ... let's pursue ATHEISM!"

  • In "JUST WONDERING : More "LET'S PURSUE ATHEISM, SHALL WE?" on 02/24/06 I addressed this, and asked Hank :

    "Yes ... So : let's pursue ATHEISM" .... Fine with me. Go ahead!

  • Unfortunately Hanks reply only refered to his own previous statement on "big talkers and blasphemers" with "The truth is in the puddin', Sarnian", so completely by-passing the entire line of my question.

  • So I state - and invite - again : Dear Hank (and others) : "Let's pursue ATHEISM!"

    This request specially as Hank posted later in "THIS IS IT, FOLKS. IT'S BEEN A BLAST" :
    • I want nothing to do with ATHEISTS. There's hope for AGNOSTICS because thier attitudes just might change.

    How's that on TOLERANCE and on the basics of christianity: Love and Forgiveness, Hank?

  • Must I then conclude that your own request to pursue ATHEISM was more one of several sleazy covers in defense of your own "big-mouth" statement on your number of posts on this board and the subsequent general board condemnation of your belly-button-staring?
    How respectful is that towards others and their views?
    And how do you equate that with your various statements demanding "respect" for your and others views?
    Don't you know that respect has to be earned, Hank?

    Comments are welcome as long as they refer to the lead itself (this specially for Fred Arcura Brown Kahahuna Cavil Wakan Ogoun-Gerouge Esculapiusiam)




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Laura answered on 02/27/06:

Ummm. I don't think Hank will be able to respond.....for about 30 days or so..Hellooooo!!! It's gunnna be awfully quiet around here for a bit. I bugs me that these guys (all of them) couldn't keep their wits about them.

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powderpuff asked on 02/26/06 - Expert guidelines -a possibility or just a dream

Someone recently asked "What is the purpose of an Expert on the Answerway Christianity board????????"

I did some looking around to see if I could find anything similar to a description of what management might expect from an Expert.

On the front page of this site is a link for "Expert Guidelines" on the upper right side. Clicking that link I found the page titled:

How to Be An Effective Answerway Expert

here are some excerpt from the page of guidelines:

"Answerway is an online information and communications service...All information is provided on a volunteer basis. What sets Answerway apart from the rest is the thoughtfulness and excellence of its experts"...

The purpose of this guide is to help everyone who participates as an Expert at Answerway to develop and improve excellence in responding to questions, and to help make sure that users will not only come back again but will tell their friends and acquaintances about Answerway.

You can read all of it at this URL:

http://www.answerway.com/teguide.php#131


Listed under the Index To Answerway's Expert Guidelines:

#4.
Civility and courtesy
An answer to a question should be courteous, civil, and respectful
. If the Expert is tempted to post something nasty, better to post nothing at all.

and

#8.
Matters of Opinion
Answers in some subjects (such as religion, spirituality, or philosophy) frequently involve the personal viewpoint of the Expert, often on matters where debate has existed for decades, if not centuries. In such cases, in order both to maintain civility and to provide genuinely useful (and perhaps persuasive) information to a user, it is generally helpful to explain the reasons behind the answer, specify sources or references where appropriate, and state clearly when an answer may be controversial or based purely on the Expert's own opinion.

I could be wrong, but I think number 4 and number 8 seem to sum up what I would say is the minimum etiquette management would find acceptable.

Do you think the Experts are living up to what is implied in the "How To Be An Effective Answerway Expert" Guidelines page? Do you think it is possible for a group of adults answering questions under the title of "Expert" to use thoughtful and respectful language while answering questions and discussing differences of opinion?

Laura answered on 02/27/06:

There are alot of folks missing today..Perhaps they will come back with cooler heads. A person needs to do what a person needs to do when they feel they are being abused powderpuff. I'm glad you are no longer having to put up with abuse in the real world.

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paraclete asked on 02/26/06 - The things you don't learn at school

This advice was offered by BILL GATES in a speech to a group of high school students. His topic was:

Things You Don’t Learn in School.

RULE 1: Life is not fair… get used to it.

RULE 2: The world won’t care about your self esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

RULE 3: You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year, right out of high school. You won’t be a vice president with a car phone, until you earn both.

RULE 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait until you get a boss.

RULE 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had a different word for flipping burgers: they called it opportunity.

RULE 6: If you mess up, it’s not your parents’ fault. So don’t whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

RULE 7: Before you were born, your parents were not as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you are. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parents’ generation, try cleaning up your own bedroom.

RULE 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life has not. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they’ll give you as many chances as you want to get the right answer. This doesn’t bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

RULE 9: Life is not divided into terms. You don’t get summers off, and very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do that on your own time.

RULE 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life, people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Laura answered on 02/27/06:

This should be posted in every high school classroom. Unfortunate that it is not politically correct so it will never happen. Some people just don't realize that blowing smoke up these kids bottoms and fitting them with rose colored glasses is HURTING them...NOT helping them!! When kids graduate high school they should at least have basic reading, math and writing skills. So many don't and it's a sad thing.

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powderpuff asked on 02/26/06 - Expert guidelines -a possibility or just a dream

Someone recently asked "What is the purpose of an Expert on the Answerway Christianity board????????"

I did some looking around to see if I could find anything similar to a description of what management might expect from an Expert.

On the front page of this site is a link for "Expert Guidelines" on the upper right side. Clicking that link I found the page titled:

How to Be An Effective Answerway Expert

here are some excerpt from the page of guidelines:

"Answerway is an online information and communications service...All information is provided on a volunteer basis. What sets Answerway apart from the rest is the thoughtfulness and excellence of its experts"...

The purpose of this guide is to help everyone who participates as an Expert at Answerway to develop and improve excellence in responding to questions, and to help make sure that users will not only come back again but will tell their friends and acquaintances about Answerway.

You can read all of it at this URL:

http://www.answerway.com/teguide.php#131


Listed under the Index To Answerway's Expert Guidelines:

#4.
Civility and courtesy
An answer to a question should be courteous, civil, and respectful
. If the Expert is tempted to post something nasty, better to post nothing at all.

and

#8.
Matters of Opinion
Answers in some subjects (such as religion, spirituality, or philosophy) frequently involve the personal viewpoint of the Expert, often on matters where debate has existed for decades, if not centuries. In such cases, in order both to maintain civility and to provide genuinely useful (and perhaps persuasive) information to a user, it is generally helpful to explain the reasons behind the answer, specify sources or references where appropriate, and state clearly when an answer may be controversial or based purely on the Expert's own opinion.

I could be wrong, but I think number 4 and number 8 seem to sum up what I would say is the minimum etiquette management would find acceptable.

Do you think the Experts are living up to what is implied in the "How To Be An Effective Answerway Expert" Guidelines page? Do you think it is possible for a group of adults answering questions under the title of "Expert" to use thoughtful and respectful language while answering questions and discussing differences of opinion?

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

We've all messed up at one time or another. Several mess up alot and a few are obsessed with it.

Yes, I certainly believe it is possible to answer questions under the title of Expert and to use thoughtful and respectful language while doing so.

The biggest problem that I see in this is that when one is faced with an abusive reply they react impulsivly and driven by emotion they take the bait and bite back and all that does is fuel the fire. But it's a human responce. I've done it. Who hasen't? But if we could just NOT do it we might save ourselves a bit of grief. Just my opinion!

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LTgolf asked on 02/26/06 - For aton

Just in case you didnt get the link I sent you showing how you perverted the rating system here it is again.

Glad I could help.

http://www.answerway.com/viewans.php?pgtitle=&expid=Jesushelper76&category=633&msection=0&quesid=48277&ansid=211326

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

Itsdb, JesusHelper76 and Sarnian. They have all rated me twice on a single answer with differant responses for each rating.. I don't think any of them did anything intentionally to pervert the rating system.

I didn't think much of it. It's not like anyone consistently does it.

There shouldn't BE a rating system!! Lately it hasn't really mattered anyway has it? What with this war of the words going on and all. Heck, I'll just say it.. It's only cyberspace after all.. Everyone involved is being borderline abusive according to the official rules or has already crossed the line..

But I won't tell.. You all know who you are!

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Mathatmacoat asked on 02/26/06 - Hey what's going on?

I went to a number of other Boards and found they had no content, even thought questions had been asked.

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

Good point you have there. I have noticed too. You don't know how many times I've had questions..Sometimes I've asked them here but this really isn't the place.. WHERE ELSE is there!! Maybe they should have an "All purpose" board. :-)

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ATON2 asked on 02/26/06 - The reason for asking questions?????

Are we, as experts, here to ASK questions, of each other, for which we will accept only the ANSWER we want. And if we are supposed to be experts in our chosen expertise...why do WE need or want answers from anyone else??????????? Instead of doing what we contracted to do....ANSWER questions for those seeing to know about Christianity??????

e.g. Hank posts a rather confused question about 'conscience'. Arcura responds with a most convoluted and confused bit of comparision, the gist of which is....you need to read the bible in order for conscience to be be TUNED to what is good or evil. Hank responds: "THAT'S THE RESPONSE I WAS LOOKING FOR, AND IT CAME FROM A GOOD CHRISTIAN WHO KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT"

So is that our purpose here....to ask question for which we already have an answer and to reward ONLY "GOOD CHRISTIANS" who respond????????

Back to the response...Arcura claims: "To NOT do what Jesus taught is BAD"....Can a negative action be BAD??? Does conscience tell a Muslim that NOT to be baptized is BAD????

Arcura claims that reading the bible allows us to tune our conscience: What tuning takes place when we see an order from God that is BAD, and our conscience tells us it is BAD, But that the God who gave the BAD order is REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD?????.....What does that do to the conscience????? Do we say GOD you are BAD for telling me to kill a baby???? That is what my conscience tells me. Do I obey my conscience or the Bible????????? THAT kind of TUNING gets nothing but static.

Finally, WHY would Hank slobber all over arcura for giving him the answer he wanted, even though it makes little, or no sense :) :) :)

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

Technically I think we are here to answer questions as experts to others who are not experts. I think that was the original premise of the board in the first place..

However since not many come here who are not experts we ask ourselves these questions that we have.

I think we test others actual expertise with our questions. And sometimes I feel like some of us just want to see the emotional reactions. That's not really nice in my own personal opinion. But hey...those who frequent the board know it. Or at least they should.

This board is not what I would personally call a true professional board for people to come for expert opinions. It might have started out that way but lets face it, we are just a group of people who get together and toss advice suggestions and beliefs around with each other.

Hank supported Arcura because he agreed with his answer.

Thats why I don't like a rating system here. If I answer in a way someone doesn't agree with, it's still my expert opinion and it's an answer. The rules don't require complience answers to the questioners beliefs or else.

This is a test...this is only a test.

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HANK1 asked on 02/26/06 - JUST WONDERING ...

... if you think the concepts of right and wrong, and of good and bad, are relative to each other? Does our conscience forbid us to be neutral? (Please use the concepts (thoughts) that are expressed in the Bible when answering)

HANK

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

That is a tough question for me because as a Christian I have an ethical or moral code given to me in scripture. I could not imagine being neutral in those things that the Bible specifically points out to be right or wrong. In the fuzzy gray areas where the Bible doesn't specify, God has given us a conscience to discern in our own hearts right from wrong.

For instance, Paul made suggestions when teaching others, and he would state sometimes that these were his own thoughts about a subject and not directly given to him by God.

In my opinion, God gave us a brain. We should use it keeping His will in mind. In my opinion I think it's hogwash the saying "If it feels good, do it." That can lead to some deep moral downfalls.

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Jesushelper76 asked on 02/26/06 - Church Question!

Do you believe the churches no matter the denomination should have dress codes for mass services? What is your opinion about this? Thanks in advance!

Joe

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

God desires our reverence...SPIRITUALLY!!! He could care less how we dress. What about all those people who can't afford nice clothes but wish to worship and fellowship with others? Should we have the "dress" police at the church doors turning away those who don't fit the bill? Should we segragate churches into "Only well dressed" or "Jeans and T shirts welcome"..For a church to nitpick over a dress code, that would be a church I would not care to attend.

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HANK1 asked on 02/26/06 - THIS IS IT, FOLKS. IT'S BEEN A BLAST:

"We are all fragile creatures entwined in a cobweb of social constraints." - Stanley Milgram

There are social rules that people are expected to follow. They are the conventions of everyday life that make our interactions with other people predictable and orderly. This has been proven!

Some rules are matters of law. Only fools think differently.

Some rules come from a group's cultural values. This, too, has been proven.

Some rules are tiny, invisible regulations that people learn to follow unconsciously. This has also been proven.

A role is a position in SOCIETY and on ANSWERWAY that is regulated by rules about how a person in that position should behave. I have proven that some of our Experts and Users play many roles.

Certain aspects of every rule must be carried out. I have proven they haven't on this Board.

People bring their own personalities and interests to the roles they play. I have proven this.

What kind of people frequent this Christianity Board? I have proven that the MOST active Experts who have frequented this Board these last five days are either ATHEISTS or AGNOSTICS.

Why do most people go along with this type of person without thinking twice? It's because they lack diplomacy. They are victims of the MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO syndrome.

To sum: Most human actions are determined both by personality and by environment. I feel that we should learn more about our own behavior than the behavior of others. Since atrtributions are not always accurate, I must say that there are no role models participating on this Board. The point to keep in mind is that attributions, whether accurate or not, have consequences re: both emotions and actions. We have no system to regulate morality on this Board, even though ANSWERWAY calls said Board CHRISTIANITY. Consistent daily relations do not exist.

My beliefs are based on the moral sense of the way things should be, per my Christian upbringing. I want nothing to do with ATHEISTS. There's hope for AGNOSTICS because thier attitudes just might change. Since gossip can KILL, so can DEFAMATION. People mean nothing to me unless they have GOD is their hearts. I'll end this with that thought.

HANK

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

EGO's!!! How DO you guys live with them!!!

In the last week I have witnessed more hurt feelings toward one another here because no one seems to know when to shut up...and no one seems to know when a subject just isn't worth getting into a tither over, and as old as some of you are no one seems to have learned how to let something "go in one ear and out the other"!!

And I thought WOMEN were supposed to be the sensitive over emotional ones!

Everybody just needs to just get over themselves and get on with it.. Today is a new day. You and others have dealt with these same exact scenarios off and on for years.. Seems you would have learned by now how to deal with them phycologically.

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Bobbye asked on 02/26/06 - FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN VOTE & FAITH-BASED MONEY

ANYONE HAVE ANY STATS RE CORRELATION BETWEEN FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN VOTE AND FAITH-BASED MONEY? [I know for a fact that Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell of my city (the one who led the hour-long prayer at the Inauguration and said nothing) is the conduit through which flows ALL FAITH-BASED MONEY in our area. His real-estate holdings of late? Too numerous to mention. But for starters, nursing homes, assisted-living homes, etc., etc., etc. YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! However, I must give credit where credit is due: he did deliver the minority vote in this city for the first time to the Republican party.]

Thanks in advance for the stats.
bobbye

Laura answered on 02/26/06:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_base.htm

I don't know how accurate the web site is but there are alot of articles in it, some relating to the thought that there is a connection. I couldn't find an article with stats though.. You might have better luck.

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hOPE12 asked on 02/25/06 - When approaching our Creator:

Hello Everyone,
I have a few questions about prayer:

1- Do you feel there is a right way and a wrong way to approach the Creator?

2- What and how do you personally feel is the right way to pray to God?

3- What is the wrong way to pray?

4- Is prayer to God done in our "spare time"?

Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 02/25/06:

I don't think that there is a right or wrong way to pray to God.. Jesus gave us guidelines for praying. We can use that as a basis. But just spontanious talking to God is fine with me. God wants us to honor Him in all that we do. But he also says that He is our father. Do we aproach Him with fear and formality or with trust and fearlessness? I think the latter. I really think that you mis-understood Rolcams comment about "spare time". He was trying to make a point.

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whitefawn_ asked on 02/24/06 - Death, Better than life.

All this stuff about hell fire, what does the Bible really say, here are a few scriptures I thought I could share.

Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ec 9:6 As well their love, as their hatred and their envy, is perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun.


Ec 7:1 A [good] name is better than precious oil; and the day of death, than the day of one`s birth."
Be not righteous overmuch; neither make thyself overwise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?

Ec 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.


So as a Christian, should not we lighten up on all this hell fire, and not make ourselves look so great, none of us know for sure, where we will go, should not we just strive to love and care for one another, and become as our Teacher our Lord Jesus, has taught us, the greastest is to love, and not to judge, as the Bible say's' All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.?

Life is to short for bickering, hate is just a baggage, do what we can do in this life time, to share love with one another, and up-build, than to put down. Jesus, knows our foolishness, and he still loves us, for he has created us, even us sinners.

I'm not a shame to say' I love you all. Joy.

Laura answered on 02/25/06:

I trust God in His wisdom and in His mercy. Whatever hell is this I know. It was NEVER created for anyone other than Satan and his followers. I guess one can read into that what one spiritually sees in the statement. Hell was not intended for any man. I love you too Joy.

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Itsdb asked on 02/22/06 - Core principle?

Please note, the above title "Core principle?" is indeed my title.

The following, is an excerpt from a news article entitled "Justices to Revisit Late-Term Abortion Ban," By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer.

    "Abortion rights groups were worried, however, that the new court could make it easier for legislators to limit women's access to abortions.

    "Today's action means the core principle of protecting women's health as guaranteed by Roe v. Wade is in clear and present danger," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America."


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Is the "core principle" of Roe v. Wade "protecting women's health" as Keenan said?

Steve
P.S. Is that clear enough Aton?

Laura answered on 02/22/06:

No. The core principle of Roe v. Wade is to allow a woman to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. The vast majority of abortions are given to women who became pregnant because they or their partner didn't use proper birth control and in turn produced an unwanted pregnancy.

I hate abortion!!

But...

#1. I can understand that if a woman is raped or if her life is really and truly threatened if she continued the pregnancy that an abortion could be considered in the early stages of pregnancy.. Only because of the extreme mitigating circumstances.

#2. Partial birth abortion is barbaric! Plain and simple. It is a procedure that is only performed in the last trimester of pregnancy. If a woman's health is at risk because of a serious heart condition or high blood pressure or cancer I can understand the need to not have a typical abortion in the last trimester. The reason being that certain medications that would be used in the procedure could worsen the heart or high blood pressure and any kind of surgical procedure could actually cause a cancer to spread..

BUT with so many women who desperately long for a child in this country and who would gladly love and care for a child, I cannot concieve of a woman allowing a baby to be born to the point of mere seconds of breathing life into it's lungs only to have it snuffed out because she does not want to or cannot for whatever reasons care for this child.. ANY fetus born after 26 weeks has an excellent chance of survival.

In my opinion it is murder by both the mother and the doctor.

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Jesushelper76 asked on 02/21/06 - Christinity Board

What does the Christianity board mean to each and every one of you. Why are you here? What is your purpose? What is your goal here on this site? On this subject of Christianity?

This board is About Christianity and my hope is that We focus on helping others and sharing our thoughts and opinions with others and yes that also means voicing our disagreements to somebody we may not agree with witout any back lash or playing games.

Whos with me.

Show of hands.

Joe

Laura answered on 02/21/06:

First is to answer questions about God, Christ and the Bible. I am with you... But I admit that I also come to the board to see how everyone is doing and to be part of this group. You are my cyberfriends.

I was going to ask a completely non Christian question but now I feel bad. It's just that no one really answers many questions on the other topics. Most come here. Ah well.

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paraclete asked on 02/20/06 - THE DEBATE RAGES ON

but at least one muslim has it right

"If you live here, you have to keep (extremist views) to yourself. If you cannot keep it to yourself, then leave."

PM inciting hatred, says cleric

By Richard Kerbaj and George Megalogenis

February 21, 2006



THE spiritual leader of Australia's 300,000 Muslims yesterday accused John Howard of inflaming public hatred towards the Islamic community.
Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilaly said the Prime Minister's criticism of the extremist views held by a fragment of the Muslim Australian population had been "childish, irresponsible and uninformed".

"His comments will only magnify the wave of antagonism and hate towards Muslims," the Mufti told The Australian in an interview conducted in Arabic.

Sheik Hilaly said Mr Howard should take a crash course in Islam "because if a prime minister does not understand the true meaning of jihad, then how can we blame the general public for not understanding it?"

Vote: Should immigrants adopt Australian values?

But Mr Howard was supported yesterday by both the Labor Opposition and a moderate Muslim leader who said those who advocated terrorism had no place in Australian society.

The debate was ignited by the publication yesterday of Mr Howard's long-held concerns that "raving on about jihad" by a minority of the Islamic community and the conservative attitudes towards women were two problems that Australia had not faced with previous immigrant groups.

Mr Howard revealed his thoughts in an interview with The Australian for The Howard Factor, a book to be published next week to mark the 10th anniversary of his rise to power.

"I stand by those comments," Mr Howard said in Sydney yesterday.

"These attitudes are not typical of all Muslims but they do represent the attitudes of a small section of the Islamic population and there's no point in not saying so.

"I hope it will encourage the broader Islamic community to understand that it is an issue."

Prominent Melbourne cleric Sheik Fehmi Naji El-Imam conceded that there was a radical minority who should probably leave the country.

"These (extremists) can be found, but the mainstream are not extremists," the imam of Preston Mosque, in Melbourne's north, said.

"But we should ask why the extremist have such views. In the case of Palestine and the double standards of the West, what do you expect?"

Sheik Fehmi, who is regarded as a moderate, said he understood why Muslims would fight overseas. But he said Muslim Australians had no business preaching and pursuing violence here.

"It's not wrong to fight the invasion in Iraq, it's not wrong to assist the Palestinians but here (in Australia), we cannot go ahead to do some terrorist (attack) to help the people over there," Sheik Fehmi said.

"If you live here, you have to keep (extremist views) to yourself. If you cannot keep it to yourself, then leave."

Opposition immigration spokesman Tony Burke welcomed Mr Howard's statement, but said it was long overdue: "Finally, he's recognised that the Department of Immigration is one of the departments that's relevant to national security."

Mr Burke said the deportation of Australian citizen Vivian Alvarez Solon and the detention of Cornelia Rau showed that the minister, Amanda Vanstone, had betrayed the national interest.

"If you don't know who you are kicking out of the country, you don't know who you are letting in," Mr Burke said.

Sheik Hilaly, head of Lakemba mosque in Sydney's southwest, said Mr Howard did not know what he was talking about.

"His views on both jihad and the treatment of women in Islam are reflective of a primary school student's views," he said.

He accused Mr Howard of playing politics with Muslim Australians. "The easiest way to claim public votes these days is to attack Islam and Muslims," the Mufti said.

"By making such statement about Muslims, he is telling the Australian public that Muslims are different, not human beings."
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So Friends what is your response to that last statement, is talking about Muslims dehumanising them?

Laura answered on 02/20/06:

I think it should be up to Muslims as to which definition they are refering to when they say "Jihad"....There are a few.. WHICH is it!!

is an Arabic word that means "striving in the way of God." This striving can take a number of forms, including the daily inner struggle to be a better person. However, jihad is often used to refer to an armed struggle fought in defense of Islam.
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/teach/alqaeda/glossary.html

Striving, effort, struggle; striving spiritually or physically against evil; colloquial religious war. >> more
www.com.washington.edu/Program/news/digijournalism/islam/guide_glossary.html

Centuries-old Arabic term translated literally as "holy war" or "endeavor." In recent years, Muslim fighters, especially in the Arab-Israeli conflict, have used the term almost solely to mean "holy war," often waged through terrorist attacks on civilians. PLO chairman Yasir Arafat caused a stir when he called for a "jihad to liberate Jerusalem," even after renouncing the use of violence against Israel. ...
www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp

The essential meaning of jihad is the spiritual, psychological and physical effort exerted by Muslims to be closer to God and thus achieve a just and harmonious society. Jihad literally means "striving" or "struggle" and is shorthand for Jihad fi Sabeel Allah (struggle for God's cause).
www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,559312,00.html

If they do not intend violence then let them prove it with their actions.. And those who are non-violent need to show with their actions towards those who are that it is wrong. My OPINION!! Just THAT!!

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 02/18/06 - Hello Everybody!

Hi! I have contacted answerway several time on the point of trying to get on with my original handle from years ago that all of sudden stopped working for me. They informed me that I can still use that one and to let them know which one I wanted to use because on this site you are only allowed one. Well duh, I already new that. I have been on this site and others for over five years now. The only thing is when they deactivate this account who guarentees me that I will get on to my old account? We will soon find out. Of course, it took answerway 4 days to respond after sending them 3 repeat emails about wanting the change. I got to say I wish these people were more active on the site and quicker to respond. Well that is my rant for today. Joe

Laura answered on 02/19/06:

In addition to the top fifteen experts on the home page there is maybe a handfull of other experts who regularly answer questions. And most of the questions are from fellow experts. I will presume that those who run the board have full time jobs and really just keep this board open for their own enjoyment and ours. And I'm not even altogether sure that they "enjoy" it all the time. I don't know that this site really helps them in any way career wise or financially. They don't have any advertising on the site.. No banners or anything else that might make them a few bucks every month if we could click on them. We should probably just be grateful that they have continued to keep the boards here for us.

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 02/18/06 - Christian principles

As an agnostic, who first came to these boards 5 years ago to learn more about Christianity, who should I be trusting to give me the truth about Christ ??

Acura, Aton or Tex?

Please don't "pussyfoot" with your answers.

Laura answered on 02/19/06:

Pete.. If one cannot accept anything by faith, then they are doomed to a life of doubt.

My prayer for you is that one day something or someone will say just the right thing and suddenly a light will go on in your head and you will think...Yes!! Jesus is alive and well. He loves you. Know that and trust that God cares enought about you to show you the truth.. But like the guy who asked God to save him during a storm and boats came and helocopters came and yet the man refused to go saying "I asked God to save me".....You have to want to know the truth.

God throughout history has moved spiritually through man in many ways. Trust that He really could use feeble men to write truth inspired by Him. What's there to lose? I know there's everything to gain.

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ROLCAM asked on 02/18/06 - TO LOVE.

Lord Jesus, heal us of anything that prevents us
from enjoying the full health you desire for us.

We shall be eternally grateful.

Do you want to be counted?

Laura answered on 02/18/06:

Yes! Thank you! And thank you Lord ahead of time!

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Tex78 asked on 02/17/06 - Question????

I am going to ask it again. Why do you think the ones who are talking against God, Jesus, and the United States, are the ones who can post graphes,and fonts of different colors, and sizes? Does that cause you to wonder who they are??

Laura answered on 02/18/06:

I don't really mind as long as the content isn't so LARGE that it messes up the ability to read the responces and answers. THAT bugs me. Otherwise, I, like Bobbye sometimes enjoy the change of pace.. I like pictures too as long as they are clean and not offensive.

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Erewhon asked on 02/17/06 - You've read what Aggernostics think about the Boy Scouts: here's what Pravda (is said to



A Pravda survey reveals (it is told) that an organization in America is turning youngsters into hostile, warmongering imperialists. Every boy who is forced to join the organization is trained to be a master of all forms of espionage, violence, and germ warfare. He quickly becomes a very dangerous tool of the ruthless United States government.

At the age of 8 or 9, innocent American boys are forcibly herded into the organization, which prepares them for foul deeds.

The organization's dictators force the youth to worship the wolf, one of the most vicious and uncivilized of predatory animals.

After three years of service in the preliminary organization, the boys, now howling adolescents, are forced to join the senior, more corrupt arm of the organization. The most deceitful ritual is the shameful 'Court of Honour,' where the young warmongers are decorated with so-called merit badges.

It is here they receive awards for their work in such insidious fields as 'swimming'(underwater espionage and sabotage); path-finding (counter-espionage); and pioneering (exploitation of under-developed nations).

In their efforts to completely control American youth, the organization's czars have set up a sister organization. This ill-conceived group turns girls into unpaid door-to-door biscuit vendors.

The proceeds of these sales, of course, go to the Wall Street masterminds of the entire plot.

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Write your Comments on a c-spot and send it by mail to my home address.

Laura answered on 02/17/06:

What a crock!!

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HANK1 asked on 02/17/06 - JUST WONDERING ...

... if we should establish a BLACK-STAR community on this Board that would be made up of contrarians, one-line responders, wise guys, doom and gloomers and those who say something JUST to be heard? I have read many good answers to questions that receive black stars. Uncalled for! The Experts and Users should receive at least two stars just for taking the time to answer a question!

HANK

Laura answered on 02/17/06:

There have been times that I have wanted to black star a responce that a person has made that I strongly disagree with.. But the responce is their opinion and not mine. So I cannot justify a black star. I don't think I have ever black starred anyone except when they personally attacked or hurt another person in a vicious manner with thier posting or responce.

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whitefawn_ asked on 02/15/06 - Hello to all of you.

Hello, you know me, I am now Whitefawn, and I want to be a great expert, and to help in the best way I can.
Many Blessings to all of you. Joy.

Laura answered on 02/16/06:

Hello Joy.. A rose is a rose no matter the name.. :-) Been up since 4AM with a very sore jaw from some dental work I had done. Just waiting for the pain meds to kick in. 2 hours now and still nothing!!!.. Hope you have a great day. Hope I can get back to sleep!! God bless. Laura

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arcura asked on 02/16/06 - AOL and Yahoo to tax Email. Is it something to worry about?

I just got this from Grassfire.Net
The Issue:
AOL and Yahoo have announced that they will soon begin imposing their own “tax” on email. AOL is going to charge a fee for organizations like Grassfire to send our team members email. While AOL says the new fee is about stopping spam, it is really about money. Plus, this new fee will not stop spammers. Instead, it will restrict the legitimate emails that you can receive.

If AOL and Yahoo succeed, we expect every other ISP will quickly follow suit and it will not be long before the government finds a way to tap into this new source of revenue. This new “tax” is really extortion and is one of the most serious threats to online citizen activism that we have faced. We need every concerned citizen -- not just AOL and Yahoo members --

Laura answered on 02/16/06:

My computer was down since early December(was using hubbies) and I finally got it fixed last week. When I got it back I had over 400 unread emails.. I'll be darned if I'm going to have to start paying for them when most of them are unsolisited! I'll drop my email if it comes to that.

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BeelzeBUSH asked on 02/15/06 - Belief-O-Matic

At www.belief.net I took the belief exam. I don't know how accurate it is for others, especially Christians. I'm asking those on the board that would like to participate to please take the test and then answer this post with your personal results and share your opinion.

Go to "belief.net" look to the left and you will see "Belief-O-Matic" click it and begin the exam and and the end it will give you the results. Belief.net is an unbiased website that hosts most all religions and beliefs.


It was fairly accurate to my views and here are the top ten from my results:

1. Baha'i Faith (100%)
2. Sikhism (94%)
3. Reform Judaism (93%)
4. Orthodox Judaism (89%)
5. Liberal Quaker (88%)
6. Islam (85%)
7. Jainism (84%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (76%)
9. Unitarian Universalism (76%)
10. Hinduism (73%)

Other notables from my personal results were:

11 Neo-Pagan (71%)
15. Seventh Day Adventist (53%)
22. New Thought (41%)
23. Secular Humanism (41%)
25. Taoism (36%)





I love myself,
George








Laura answered on 02/15/06:

My results:

1. Seventh Day Adventist (96%)
2. Orthodox Quaker (100%)
3. Eastern Orthodox (90%)
4. Roman Catholic (90%)
5. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (89%)
6. Hinduism (64%)
7. Orthodox Judaism (60%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (57%)
9. Islam (56%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (55%)
11. Jehovah's Witness (52%)
12. Jainism (50%)
13. Bahá'í Faith (47%)
14. Liberal Quakers (47%)
15. Sikhism (39%)
16. Theravada Buddhism (39%)
17. Mahayana Buddhism (38%)
18. Unitarian Universalism (34%)
19. Reform Judaism (25%)
20. Neo-Pagan (25%)
21. New Age (20%)
22. Taoism (20%)
23. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (19%)
24. Secular Humanism (18%)
25. Nontheist (16%)
26. Scientology (15%)
27. New Thought (9%)

Suprise suprise!!!

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ATON2 asked on 02/14/06 - Christian choice????
Christian choice???

If Cheney's shooting victim dies as a result of the shooting....should Cheney step down from the Vice Presidency????????

Laura answered on 02/14/06:

Gosh ATON! No! If you "accidentally" did something that hurt someone would you expect to lose your job or have to give it up? NO!

It's not like he did it on purpose. The only reason we even know about it is because he is a well known public figure. I'm sure he feels badly about it. I'll bet the first thing he said to his friend was "I'm sorry buddy..I'm sorry!!"

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ATON2 asked on 02/14/06 - Christian response needed.

What should be the CHRISTIAN response to a self-proclaimed Christian expert, who signs on with two or more different 'monikers' at the same time, answers his own postings, and uses the phoney sign-ins to down rate other experts??????
Non-Christians are also free to respond :)

Laura answered on 02/14/06:

I like who you are speaking of.. I really do, and have no ill will toward him at all, but I did notice the oddity.. Maybe this is a multiple choice answer.
1. Multiple personality disorder
2. Overdoing it with the wine
3. Bored
4. Wanted to spice up the board
5. Just wanted to be a goofball
6. He is telling the truth and these are his friends that he invited to the board
7. None of the above

There are others in the past who have attempted multiple monikers at the same time and ultimately they trip up. Poor guy!! :-)

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ROLCAM asked on 02/13/06 - Recruitment begins from cradle to grave.Discuss!!

I was asked the above question on another site.

This was my answer:-

I am going to discuss this in a special and personal way.
The recruitment you refer to is recruitment of becoming a member of the Catholic Church.
I shall take you over a period of 75 years , but as yet there is no final end to this story.

It started in 1930 one October day I was born.
Two days later I was baptised a Catholic.
So one can say I started the journey.
You see I was born in Malta, this is a 100% Catholic country.
At the age of three I was sent to a Catholic school,
it was run by the nuns, known as The Sisters of Egypt.
At the age of six I made my first Holy Communion.
At the age of seven the local Bishop inducted me
as a soldier of Christ, this is known as the Sacrament of
Confirmation.
During the years that followed, I participated in all that is Catholic throughout the different ages.
Lately in a special service I received the Sacrament of the
Annointing. This is given to people that have endured some sickness or another.
As I have mentioned the story has not ended because I have not died yet.
FROM DUST TO DUST ! From cradle to grave.
There is no doubt whatsoever that one day death will come.
This is very certain.
We do not know how, we do not know when!!

Best wishes always,

rolcam.

Laura answered on 02/14/06:

Hello Rolcam. As an infant, I had no knowledge of what was going on when I was baptised. I firmly believe that baptism is something that should be done when one is older and able to make such an important decision. It's fine that I was baptised as a baby, but if I hadn't been and I had died a child I would have gone to be with the Lord. In those days the church still taught the belief in "Limbo"..the place the church believed that un baptised babies went.

I believe that you must know what you are doing and why when it comes to baptism. When I was twelve, though I was at the age of accountability when I was confirmed, I just did what was expected of me. I don't think that I took it seriously.

As an adult I followed our Lords advice and got baptised. It's just that simple.

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HANK1 asked on 02/13/06 - A SUPER HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER:

What would happen to the United States if the Caucasian (white) race would leave America on a permanent basis? (Goofy answers will get a black star)

HANK

Laura answered on 02/13/06:

What is considered white? If you are talking about the pure white got it in their heads that they are the superior race kind of whites then we would probably be better off. I'm considered "white" but my heritage is italian(for which my father and his family suffered great prejudice in New York in the thirties because of it. My mother was part indian, irish, and who knows what else.. So I am white but I'm not. Are there really any "pure" white people left?

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ROLCAM asked on 02/13/06 - Recruitment begins from cradle to grave.Discuss!!

I was asked the above question on another site.

This was my answer:-

I am going to discuss this in a special and personal way.
The recruitment you refer to is recruitment of becoming a member of the Catholic Church.
I shall take you over a period of 75 years , but as yet there is no final end to this story.

It started in 1930 one October day I was born.
Two days later I was baptised a Catholic.
So one can say I started the journey.
You see I was born in Malta, this is a 100% Catholic country.
At the age of three I was sent to a Catholic school,
it was run by the nuns, known as The Sisters of Egypt.
At the age of six I made my first Holy Communion.
At the age of seven the local Bishop inducted me
as a soldier of Christ, this is known as the Sacrament of
Confirmation.
During the years that followed, I participated in all that is Catholic throughout the different ages.
Lately in a special service I received the Sacrament of the
Annointing. This is given to people that have endured some sickness or another.
As I have mentioned the story has not ended because I have not died yet.
FROM DUST TO DUST ! From cradle to grave.
There is no doubt whatsoever that one day death will come.
This is very certain.
We do not know how, we do not know when!!

Best wishes always,

rolcam.

Laura answered on 02/13/06:

I too was born and raised in the Catholic church. My experiences were pretty much the same as yours. Baptism, First Holy Communion, Catholic school until the 7th grade, I was confirmed at the age of 12 I believe and not 7. I sang in the choir during Mass. My brother was an altar boy.

There was one big differance in my upbringing though. My Maternal grandmother was Protestant. She encouraged me to read my Bible all the time. I didn't really do it much though until my late teens after I had married. Then I read with a fervere.

The Catholic Church at that time didn't really encourage people to independently read a Bible. It was more like a listen and learn thing. You listen to what your priest and the teachers in school tell you and read your Catacism book and it will teach you every thing you need to know.

The more that I read the Bible the more I found conflict with the traditions of the Catholic Church verses what the scriptures actually said. I began to find it difficult to pray for the dead as scripture outlined that it wasn't right. I no longer could bring myself to appeal to the Virgin Mary as scripture taught me I was supposed to go directly to the Father and that only Jesus was my advocate.

There was much more that I learned from reading scripture that just didn't jive with what the Catholic Church taught. It was sort of in a way finding out that Santa Clause really didn't exist. Alot of Catholic tradition was just that...tradition and not based on any scripture at all.

I left the Catholic Church much to the dissapointment of my father whom I cherished (he didn't hold it against me). I felt like I was turning my back on some secret order. People that I knew treated me as if I had been exommmunicated and had commited some unpardonable sin. I had friends tell me that I was headed straight for hell because of my decision. But my faith is in Jesus and not in any denomination.

I accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior. I followed Jesus and got baptized as an adult in a non-denominational church knowing exactly what I was doing and why.

I was recruited. I served. I took a dishonerable discharge and decided to follow Christ.

I do hope that Catholics on the board are not offended by this reply of mine. It is mine and mine alone. My experience. My feelings. I don't expect anyone else to agree with it.

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HANK1 asked on 02/12/06 - JUST WONDERING ...

... if you often feel inadequate or secure about yourself in spite of your belief in God?

HANK

Laura answered on 02/12/06:

I would be lying if I said I didn't feel inadequate. I feel insecure about alot of things in life but not about my place in God. Nothing can seperate me from His love and presence. It is probably the only thing I really do feel completely secure about!

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HANK1 asked on 02/12/06 - JUST WONDERING ...

... if all the God-fearing Experts and Users who post on this Christianity Board should be justifying our belief in God?

HANK

Laura answered on 02/12/06:

I don't know any other way to justify my belief in God except to say so. My belief in "my God" comes from my belief that the Word of God..the Bible is "truth". I can't prove that my God exists. But I believe that He does through faith. If anyone wants something else from me I can only give them what God says about Himself in His Word. There is nothing I can do if they don't believe it. I can't ram it down their throats.

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excon asked on 02/12/06 - Ghouls, goblins and scary things


Hello Christians:

As many of you know, I don’t believe in the existence of God. I also don’t believe in the existence of satan, devils, ghouls, demons, ghosts, evil spirits, saints, fairy’s, angels, Santa Clause, luck and/or all manners of unseen presence’s.

Therefore, when I go out into the world, I perceive that what I see, is what I get. In other words, there aren’t unseen presence’s out there lurking behind every tree plying me with their wares, and waiting for me to falter, all while playing me like a puppet. In other words, when I see a bad person, that’s what I see. I don’t see “evil” - I see mis-behavior. My world is pretty clear, clean and simple. I like it that way.

I cannot imagine what the world must be like to people who believe in all manner beings described above. Frankly, if I thought the world was populated with such evil, I would never venture outside my house.

Tell me please, how do you do it? Did you believe in these monsters BEFORE you believed in God, therefore God saved you from this evil? Or, did you start believing in these things AFTER you became a Christian?

Do you believe that people (like me) who are not Christians, ARE influenced or even worse, inhabited by these presence’s? I know bucker does, but what about the more reasonable among you?

excon

Laura answered on 02/12/06:

As a Christian and a believer in the Word of God, I believe none of us are excempt from "evil". We are all influenced by these presence's. It's how we address them that matters.

Those who are believers are attacked in differant ways to keep us from being effective witnesses (if we allow it). After all, we are already saved, but Satan attemps to keep us from growing spiritually as well as from telling others about Jesus..that is if we let him get away with it.

Those who are not saved, Satan uses those same forces to try and keep them from coming to Christ. We've all seen on this board the devices that he uses.. "The "logic" of man....Science...Common scense... and so many other excuses that man uses because he fears the light and wishes to stay in the dark.. The light exposes the truth. Man can't take that without the Power of the Holy Spirit to take away the fear and guide him to the light and truth of God.

Did I believe this before I became a Christian? All my life I have been told that evil exists. Just looking around at some of the actions of some people in this world we know that evil exists. Whether it is in the form of a man or a spiritual entity it exists. So I would have to say that I believed it before I became a Christian and I sure believe it more now that I am a Christian.

Ephesians 6:12


For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world's rulers of the darkness of this age, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. (WEB)

For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places . (ASV)

For our fight is not against flesh and blood, but against authorities and powers, against the world-rulers of this dark night, against the spirits of evil in the heavens. (BBE)

because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against principalities, against authorities, against the universal lords of this darkness, against spiritual power of wickedness in the heavenlies. (DBY)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (KJV)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (WBS)

For ours is not a conflict with mere flesh and blood, but with the despotisms, the empires, the forces that control and govern this dark world--the spiritual hosts of evil arrayed against us in the heavenly warfare. (WEY)

because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places; (YLT)

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powderpuff asked on 02/12/06 - Is it really necessary?

Considering the fact that Chirstians believe in the existence of God through faith: When answering questions about Christianity, is it really necessary to begin every answer with a qualifier that the belief in the existence of God is by faith and not scientific proof?

Suppose all the experts went along with that and began every answer with such a qualifier. How many of you would actually read the qualifier every time you read the answers? Or would you soon get tired of reading the same old pre-ramble and skip past it to the substance of the answer?

Isn't the belief of God basic to the Christian religion? I can see how a qualifier about the existence of God might be helpful when somebody brings God into a discussion about something other than Christianity or any other religion that shares a faith in God... but, we are here on the Christianity board of Answerway. Am I wrong to assume that Christians believe in God and that their belief is through faith alone or do I need to be reminded every time I read an answer?

Laura answered on 02/12/06:

Boy are you right about that powderpuff! As Christians we have always used the Bible as our guidebook. That is where we learn about the God that we personally believe in as well as Jesus our Savior. We absolutely believe in the God of scripture through faith. That same Bible tells us that all we have to do is look around us...at the wonderful beauty of nature as proof enough of a Creator..the one we call God.

Should I start putting that as a qualifier before each answer I give on the board from now on? LOL Everybody already knows that it is what I believe so why would I do that.

If those who don't believe in "God" want proof...I cannot give it to them. I only have the faith that I do in order to believe through the supernatural power of God.. And that vise...The Holy Spirit. I wouldn't believe it if the Holy Spirit weren't guiding me in it.

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HANK1 asked on 02/11/06 - JUST WONDERING ...

The following is a touchy subject which is not to be misconstrued. It's just a question with a reference from the Bible:

"Who, if not the Jews, are God's Chosen People?"

"Answer: Why, Christians of course! Christians are God's Chosen People."

"The Apostle Peter said so, for he told those who believe in Christ Jesus, "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God." (I Peter 2: 9,10 KJV).

Source: Conspiracy World.com

* Peter was the name given by Jesus to Simon Bar-Jona the Galilean fisherman, one of the first of the twelve chosen disciples.

To opine: It's sites like this that promote prejudice and contradictions. Check it out!

Any comments?

HANK

Laura answered on 02/11/06:

The Bible says that the Jews rejected Jesus as Messiah, God allowed the Gentile to also recieve the gift of salvation through Christ. But the Bible also says that God still has big plans for the Jews. Good and wonderful plans. They ARE his chosen people according to His Word. He made a covenent with them. He will not break His Word.

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arcura asked on 02/10/06 - We’re leaving now, going to be gone for a few days.

My wife’s lovely aunt has passed away so for her funeral we are going north into the snow, ice, and wind country where her family is in mourning.
Please pray for the repose of the soul of Joyce Hibbs and comfort for her family.
Thanks much,
Fred

Laura answered on 02/10/06:

My sympathies to your family Fred. God bless and have a safe trip. Laura

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excon asked on 02/10/06 - Morning after pill


Hello Christians:

Illinois is considering a bill to require pharmacists to dispense the morning after pill.

Should the government impose its morality on pharmacists who are imposing their morality on their customers?

excon

Laura answered on 02/10/06:

I would say that the vast majority of medication that pharmacists dispence is for the better health and wellbeing of patients and is intended to make them well and to control certain illnesses. Who ever thought that the day would come when we would have a pill that could destroy a life and not preserve it. I don't know if pharmacists take an oath or anything like doctors do to preserve life but they shouldn't be forced to do anything that is contrary to their moral values.

I still think that this is a medication that the government should allow doctors to dispence to patients in the privacy of their office. Nobdoy but the doctor and the patient (and God) would have to know.

I know that I wouldn't feel comfortable as a pharmisist if I handed pills over to someone that I knew was intended to take a life. And I don't think that they should have to abandon their careers because they have a moral objection to this medication.

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Erewhon asked on 02/09/06 - Just in case you missed this ...



FOX NEWS

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Islamic Groups Call for End to Riots
Wednesday, February 08, 2006

KABUL, Afghanistan — Police shot four protesters to death Wednesday to stop hundreds from marching on a southern U.S. military base, as Islamic organizations called for an end to deadly rioting across the Muslim world over drawings of the Prophet Muhammad.

"Islam says it's all right to demonstrate but not to resort to violence. This must stop," said senior cleric Mohammed Usman, a member of the Ulama Council — Afghanistan's top Islamic organization. "We condemn the cartoons but this does not justify violence. These rioters are defaming the name of Islam."

Other members of the council went on radio and television Wednesday to appeal for calm. It followed a statement released Tuesday by the United Nations, European Union and the world's largest Islamic group urging an end to violence.

"Aggression against life and property can only damage the image of a peaceful Islam," said the statement released by Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the EU chief Javier Solana.

Meanwhile, a U.S. military spokesman said the United States and other countries are examining whether extremist groups may be inciting protesters to riot around the world because of the cartoons that have been printed in numerous European papers.

"The United States and other countries are providing assistance in any manner that they can ... to see if this is something larger than just a small demonstration," Col. James Yonts told reporters when asked whether Al Qaeda and the Taliban may have been involved in days of violent demonstrations in Afghanistan.

The Afghan protests have involved armed men and have been directed at foreign and Afghan government targets — fueling the suspicions there's more behind the unrest than religious sensitivities. But Yonts stressed they had no evidence to support suggestions that Al Qaeda or Taliban are linked to the riots in Afghanistan.

Hundreds rioted outside the U.S. military base in the southern city of Qalat on Wednesday, throwing rocks at Afghan police. Police tried to clear the crowd by firing shots in the air, then were forced to fire into the crowd, said Ghulam Nabi Malakhail, the provincial police chief.

Four people were killed and at least 20 were wounded, he said.

The protesters then set fire to three fuel tankers that were waiting to deliver gas to the base, Malakhail said. He said U.S. troops fired warning shots into the air.

A U.S. military spokesman, Lt. Mike Cody, said he had no details on the incident.

Eleven people have been killed in the past week as thousands have taken to the streets in a dozen Afghan cities and towns to march against the cartoons, which have been reprinted in various European media after first appearing in a Danish newspaper in September.

The drawings — including one depicting the prophet wearing a turban shaped as a bomb — have touched a raw nerve among Muslims. Islam is interpreted to forbid any illustrations of Muhammad for fear they could lead to idolatry.

The caricatures were first published in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. Culture editor Flemming Rose told CNN on Wednesday he came up with the idea after several local cases of self-censorship involving people fearing reprisals from Muslims.

"There was a story out there and we had to cover it," Rose said. "We just chose to cover it in a different way, according to the principal: don't tell it, show it."

Rose also said his paper was trying to contact a prominent Iranian newspaper that said it would hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West extends the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide as it did to the Muhammad caricatures.

Rose said Jyllands-Posten wants to publish those cartoons on the same day the Iranian paper Hamshahri does.

Elsewhere, about 300 Palestinians attacked an international observer mission in the West Bank city of Hebron and tried to set one of the buildings on fire in a protest against the cartoons.

Sixty members of the mission were inside at the time, said Gunhild Forselv, a spokeswoman for the Temporary International Presence in Hebron, or TIPH, which serves as a buffer between Israeli settlers and Palestinians in the volatile city.

Eleven Danish members of TIPH left more than a week ago after protests against the cartoons began sweeping across the Muslim world, Forselv said.

The protesters chased away outnumbered Palestinian police stationed outside the mission, Forselv said. Reinforcements were called in to quell the disturbance.

Indonesia's foreign minister said Wednesday that radical groups around the world were exploiting public anger over the cartoons.

"The cartoons have hurt the Islamic community, so it has added to ammunition for (global) radical groups to exploit the situation and the whole thing has got out of proportion," Indonesian Foreign Minister Hassan Wirajuda told reporters.

In France, President Jacques Chirac asked media to avoid offending religious beliefs as another French newspaper on Wednesday reprinted the prophet caricatures. Chirac said during a Cabinet meeting that he condemned "all obvious provocations likely to dangerously kindle passions."

In Copenhagen, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen showed no sign of diverting from his government's stance that it cannot apologize for the actions of an independent newspaper, as demanded by governments in several Muslim nations.

Fogh Rasmussen called the protests "a growing global crisis," as Iran suspended all trade and economic ties with Denmark.

There were several other small protests across Afghanistan on Wednesday, including one in Kabul. Hundreds of university students, including women, marched peacefully through the capital, chanting "Death to the Danish! Death to Americans!"

More than 1,000 people also rallied Wednesday in Muslim-majority Bangladesh's capital, burning Danish and Italian flags. There were no immediate reports of violence.

Muslims also demonstrated for the third straight day in Indian-controlled Kashmir. In Turkey, police using armored vehicles blocked some 500 ultranationalist Turks from reaching the Danish Embassy and the demonstrators dispersed peacefully.

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Laura answered on 02/09/06:

I can understand the outrage. But violence certainly is not the answer. I hope the protesters listen to the advice given by those asking for the violence to stop. Extremists and radicals have never made "any" religion look good.

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Angel25 asked on 02/09/06 - By accepting the behavior of homosexual friends and loved ones, are we doing them a favor?

We live in a day when "whatever" is the mantra, and no one dare say otherwise lest they be called narrow-minded. Since we have rejected the Bible as the plumb line by which we live, we have a society where "everyone does that which is right in their own eyes" and fits Paul's description of those who "profess themselves to be wise, yet they became fools." We prefer to have our ears tickled with lies that end up devouring us.

The facts regarding this self-destructive behavior speak for themselves. The median age of death for homosexual men without AIDS is 42, 44 for lesbians (see Omega: Journal of Death and Dying, 23:3 (1994): 249-272). The negative health effects of exchanging body fluids through anal/oral sex are so unhealthy that homosexuals die at nearly half the age of the general population. Instead of opinions as to whether this behavior is right or wrong, why not look at the evidence? Allow facts, not feelings, to be the standard of determining right from wrong. Love someone enough to tell them the truth by refusing to condone such lifestyles.

I speak not from a hateful heart but from one that grieves as I see so many deceived. Since homosexuals cannot reproduce, they must recruit. We should care enough for our friends and loved ones to alert them to the harmful consequences of sodomy and the myths perpetrated by those who accept such behavior.

Laura answered on 02/09/06:

Who says that we have to accept their behavior? Does that mean that if we continue to love them and associate with them that we are accepting their lifestyle? Jesus didn't do that. He made a point of hanging around those that others wouldn't go near.

The people that I know who are homosexual are loving kind people. But they will be the first to tell you that I have told them that I think their sex lives are discusting! That God says it's wrong! But I love them anyway just as God does. I can plant a seed but God needs to do the watering. I'm not going to try to beat it into someone that what they are doing is wrong. I have enough of my own imperfections to worry about. I tell them the truth as I believe it to be. Then I leave it to the Lord.

If we as Christians alienate anyone to lives in ways that we don't approve, we could not be an affective witness to anyone. We would just be sitting around patting ourselves on the back for our "Godliness" while the rest of the world goes to hell in a handbag!

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revdauphinee asked on 02/08/06 - please pray!




Please pray that the person or persons that are burning churches(( 9 so far in my neighbouring state Alabama)come to there sences and stop this !What do they feel they are acomplishing by these acts???

Laura answered on 02/08/06:

The first thought that came to my mind when I heard about this was the Baptist Church that is endorsing protests at soldiers funerals. I personally think it is disgusting that professing Christians would interupt such a private moment as the funeral of a loved one but again...it's a free country. But why would anyone attack Churches in another state because of that? I don't know. My prayers are with the victims of this terrible act against these churches.

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revdauphinee asked on 02/08/06 - Is this how we repay our troops????

Wounded Soldier Billed for Bloodied Body Armor
By ALLISON BARKER, AP
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (Feb. 8) - A former U.S. soldier injured in Iraq says he was forced to pay $700 for a blood-soaked body armor vest that was destroyed after medics removed it to treat shrapnel wounds to his arm.
Jim MacMillan, AP
First Lt. Rebrook, seen here during a 2004 gun battle in Najaf, had to pay $700 for his Kevlar vest destroyed by medics when he was injured.
First Lt. William "Eddie" Rebrook IV, 25, had to leave the Army because of his injuries. But before he could be discharged last week, he had to scrounge up cash from his buddies to pay for the body armor or face not being discharged for months. Rebrook was billed because a supply officer failed to document that the vest had been destroyed more than a year ago as a biohazard.

"I last saw the (body armor) when it was pulled off my bleeding body while I was being evacuated in a helicopter," Rebrook told his hometown newspaper, The Charleston Gazette. "They took it off me and burned it."

Rebrook's story spurred action Tuesday from U.S. Sens. Robert C. Byrd and Jay Rockefeller, both West Virginia Democrats.

"I've been in touch with his family, and I've already written (Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld) to request that they immediately refund his money and review this horrendous policy," said Rockefeller, a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. "I'm shocked that he has been treated this way by our military."

Byrd questioned Gen. Peter Schoomaker, chief of staff of the Army, on Tuesday during a Senate Armed Services Committee budget hearing.



AP"How can it be that the Defense Department, which is requesting $439 billion in this budget, has to resort to dunning a wounded soldier for $700 to replace a piece of body armor?"
-- Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.V.

"I last saw the (body armor) when it was pulled off my bleeding body while I was being evacuated in a helicopter. They took it off me and burned it."
-- Eddie Rebrook, Army First Lt.

"My son loved the Army and was proud of serving his country. For any soldier to be treated like this is outrageous."
-- Beckie Drumheler, Rebrook's mother


Getty"We certainly have procedures that account for battle loss, and I just find it a highly unusual story. But we'll certainly follow up and correct it if there's any truth to it."
-- Gen. Peter Schoomaker, Army chief of staff
Sources: AP, The Charleston Gazette

"How can it be that the Defense Department, which is requesting $439 billion in this budget, has to resort to dunning a wounded soldier for $700 to replace a piece of body armor?" Byrd asked.

Laura answered on 02/08/06:

It was a mistake and it was taken care of.

Rebrook, who graduated from West Point with honors, said he was billed because a supply officer failed to document that the vest was destroyed as a biohazard. He said a battalion commander refused to sign a waiver for the vest, saying Rebrook would have to supply witness statements to verify the vest was taken from him and burned.

I know when my son got out of the Army he had to account for items supplied by the Army that he had not personally paid for.

A mis-communication. Probably not the first time, and probably not the last.

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Erewhon asked on 02/08/06 - What do you thibnk?

By Mark Rice-Oxley, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor Wed Feb 8, 3:00 AM ET

LONDON - The violence over cartoons satirizing the prophet Muhammad has highlighted often inconsistent rules in Europe governing free speech, tolerance, and the boundaries of public expression.

Muslims in particular charge that hate-speech laws are implemented unfairly. Many countries, they say, do not abide anti-Semitic outbursts, but will tolerate cartoons that to many Muslims are deeply offensive.

"Most of Europe would not dare mock the Holocaust, and rightly so," says Inayat Bunglawala of the Muslim Council of Britain. "Newspaper editors exercise good judgment every day when it comes to printing material so as not to cause offense, so why not on this occasion?"

In a bid to redress grievances, the French Council of Muslims has said it is considering taking France Soir, which reprinted the cartoons, to court for provocation. Last year, the Catholic church won a court injunction to ban a fashion ad based on the Last Supper. The judge said the ad was "a gratuitous ... act of intrusion on people's innermost beliefs."

"This is what Muslims want - to be treated the same as other faiths," says Olivier Roy, an eminent scholar of Islamic affairs at the National Center of Scientific Research in Paris.

Roger Koeppel, editor in chief at German newspaper Die Welt, which published the cartoons last week, says that European societies have a right to make their own choices. "Every society has the right to have taboos, the things they don't talk about," he says. Mr. Koeppel says the cartoons were not published to annoy but to question a growing tendency for press self-censorship in delicate matters.

At times, he says, it may appear there is a double standard. "Evenhandedness cannot be a goal," he says. "It has to be clear that the majority culture rules and the minority culture has to accept the rules. If the rules are not acceptable, no one is forced to live there."

The general response from European politicians has been to frown on those who reproduced images first aired last fall in Denmark's Jyllands-Posten newspaper, while insisting that editors were within their legal rights to do so. Governments have refrained from apologizing to the Islamic community because they say publication is a matter for editors, not politicians. Muslim opinion, however, has not been appeased by this response.

"Muslims are complaining that they are not protected by the law as the other faiths are supposed to be," says Mr. Roy.

But if there are hints of double standards in the European approach, there are also suggestions of that in some Middle Eastern nations, which have exploded in fury at the cartoons but which are also liable to tolerate anti-Jewish sentiments. An Iranian newspaper has announced a plan to solicit cartoons about the Holocaust in response to the European position.

Europe is warier than the US

When it comes to hate crime and defamation laws, there is no homogenous approach in Europe. Britain, for example, has long had a more tolerant approach to free speech than countries like Germany, France, and Austria, where Holocaust denial is a crime. "It's a mixed bag, a patchwork of practices and experiences in Europe," says Agnes Callamard, director of Article 19, a global freedom-of- expression campaign group. "It's very difficult to pretend there is a common position on hate speech."

But Europe is generally warier of free speech than is the US, with its First Amendment. Laws against inciting hatred and violence have sprung up in countries such as France, the Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark, resulting in criminal cases, convictions, and, in the case of foreigners, expulsions.

Even Britain has sought to push through a law recently to outlaw inciting religious hatred, to give religious groups like Muslims and Christians the same rights as racial groups. But the legislation was watered down over concerns about the implications for free speech.

Still, several recent prosecutions would appear to indicate a diminishing tolerance for invective. In perhaps the most high-profile case of its kind, a Muslim cleric, Abu Hamza al-Masri, was found guilty Tuesday of fomenting racial hatred and inciting followers to kill non-Muslims. He reserved particular vitriol for Jews.

Meanwhile, police are studying banners brandished at Friday's protest with slogans like, "Be prepared for the real Holocaust" "Kill the one who insults the Prophet" "Behead those who insult Islam" and "Europe you will pay, your 9/11 is on the way." One man, a convicted drug dealer on parole who attended the rally dressed as a suicide bomber, was rearrested on Tuesday.

Reining in an anti-Semitic comedian

Other European cases hint at the preoccupations of individual jurisdictions. In France, where anti-Semitism remains taboo, a comedian named Dieudonne has been effectively sidelined for his anti-Jewish rants. Newspapers must even be careful not to equate the actions of Jews everywhere with the state of
Israel following a recent case that punished the dailyLe Monde.

Roy says a form of self-censorship is in practice in France. "No mainstream newspaper would ever publish an interview with Dieudonne," he says. "He has been sidelined because he is supposed to be anti-Semitic."

French Muslims have questioned whether the outcome would have been the same if Dieudonne had aimed his humor at Muslims.

In Austria, a case of Holocaust denial charges is being prepared against British historian David Irving, based on two speeches he made in the country in 1989. He could face 10 years in jail if convicted. In Germany, antihate legislation that took effect last year has been used to rein in Muslim preachers who call for terrorist attacks or propagate hate.

In Turkey, the preoccupation is more nationalistic, as the recently dropped case against novelist Orhan Pamuk - for "insulting Turkish identity" in remarks to a Swiss newspaper about the killings of Armenians in the early 20th century - shows.

In Sweden, meanwhile, the most prominent case has involved a clergyman accused of inciting hatred against homosexuals. But in Britain, remarks by a Muslim leader that homosexuality was "not acceptable" have not resulted in criminal charges.

It is not always Muslims who are in the dock. Prosecutors are preparing a case against leaders of the right-wing extremist British National Party on race-hate charges linked to speeches in which one branded Islam a "wicked" faith, after they were cleared of two other charges last month.

And in Italy, a leading author, Oriana Fallaci, faces trial this year over charges that she slandered Muslims in her book "The Strength of Reason."

Those who find themselves on the wrong side of Muslim anger may also risk greater censure than those who challenge Christian precepts. Writer Salman Rushdie was forced into hiding for a decade because of a fatwa, or religious edict, imposed on him for publishing "The Satanic Verses." Though it was equally iconoclastic, there was no such response when Dan Brown published "The Da Vinci Code," seen by many as offensive to the Catholic church.


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Laura answered on 02/08/06:

The Muslims are right in that no one should be allowed to distribute cartoons or anything else meant soley to insult their faith or beliefs..But it should also apply to "any" faith or belief, Jew, Christian, Muslim or otherwise. It's not funny and it should be offensive to anyone with even the smallest amount of moral values no matter what their personal beliefs.

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deardra asked on 02/08/06 - can you explain this to me

I hear more and more about god none of it makes sense to me. Im having a hard time understanding god and religion in the world the way it is right now.I hear some religious people say that we are all created by god. If muslims jews and christians all have the same god why are they fighting each other? Does the same god tell each of these groups to go after and kill the others? Would god do that would he create all these people and then to instruct them and sponsor them to destroy each other? People who believe in god say god is perfect and he knew everything even before he created the whole world with all the things and people. If god is perfect this must all be part of his plan right? I was taught to respect all people but just so I know please let me know in your answer if it is christian ideas or other ideas.

Laura answered on 02/08/06:

Everyone has to search for their "own" truth. I know what I believe to be truth. I am compelled by my God to tell others of the truth of Jesus Christ. But ultimately I can only make decisions for myself. But I would be disobedient to the God that I trust in if I didn't tell others the "truth" of Jesus Christ. God does not "make" us do anything that we do not want to do.

Violence within different religious circles occurs because we don't follow Jesus' command. Love God with all of your heart and soul and love your neighbor "AS" yourself.. Maybe some people just don't love themselves very much..We should pray for them.

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excon asked on 02/08/06 - A teaching moment missed


Hello Christians:

President Bush hates the press even when he should be loving the press. Through his mouthpiece Scott McClelland, here’s what he said:

"We support and respect the freedom of the press, but there are also important responsibilities that come with that freedom."

This is wrong - dangerously wrong. The guarantees of free expression (such as the First Amendment in our own country) include no "if," no "also," no "but." The guarantees do not ordain a "responsible" press, but a free press. This is what the Muslims, who often show no respect for the beliefs of others, must learn even if they learn it the hard way. Followers of the prophet are entitled to believe that a caricature of the man they revere is wrong. If they believe that, they should neither draw such a caricature nor look upon one drawn by someone else. They have no right to impose that belief on anyone else, Hindu, Christian or Athiest.

This is what I tell YOU all the time. This is what George W. Bush should be telling the Muslims.

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Laura answered on 02/08/06:

My persnal opinion is that the media, in whatever form it takes should be made to have limits. It is one thing to express one's opinion. It is another to express it at the expence of another's religious beliefs or even political ones with the kind of obvious and vile disrespect that these pics show. Those charicatures should have been offencive to anyne who looked upon them and our outrage at them should be expressed. Not with violence but with a call for changes and limits as to what the media can and cannot do. This goes for alot more than just this. I can think of alot lately that the media should have been ordered to supress..not only for the wellbeing (moral, religious, etc) of everyone in the world but also for the safety and security of everyone in the world.

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deardra asked on 02/06/06 - ratings and things

When I ask questions why are they already rated when I read them? Why do some of the experts give me answers that dont have anything to do with christianity?

Laura answered on 02/06/06:

Answers are allowed to be rated by people other than the person asking the question. For instance, Maggie rated my answer to your most recent question about baptism. But you, as the questioner can still rate the answer as well.

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sarnian asked on 02/03/06 - More what's the fuss?

Further to my previous post on Muhammed cartoons :

Will the Phariseers here on this board please REFRAIN from following this link, to prevent them getting "disgusted". Fred : did you read this ?

Don't blame me, blame yourself : nobody is forced here to follow any link.

And a note for these "christian" protestors in the previous post : why did everyone of you checked all these "terrible" links? If you were real, the first photo would have been enough ....

I guess the Phariseeer level on this board is as high as that of these protesting Muslims in Europe and the mid-east.

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For the real people on this board : I forgot the best of all cartoons, the one on the lack of virgins in heaven!
Here it is

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Laura answered on 02/03/06:

Wasn't it you who all day yesturday griped out someone (Fred, I believe) for posting non-Christian oriented posts?? What's so "Christian" about your posts today? What's good for the goose............practice what you preach.....Do unto others.....yadda yadda yadda

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deardra asked on 02/02/06 - baptized

Are all christians baptized and do you believe you have to be baptized to go to heaven? What about babies and children what age do they get baptized? What happens if a christian dies before they get baptized? Can anyone be baptized even if they don't know what it means?

Laura answered on 02/03/06:

Jesus said that believers should be baptized. If you happen to become a believer but don't get the opportunity to get baptized and something happens there is nowhere in the Bible that says you won't meet God.

John 3:16 outlines the directive on how to get saved perfectly. The rest concerning babies and such is differant doctrines abopted by various churches.

Personally I don't see how a baby (or child under the age of accountability) who cannot reason could possibly ever be held accountable in this or any other area and I have found nothing in God's Word to suggest otherwise.

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revdauphinee asked on 01/27/06 - EARTHQUAKES IN DIVERSE PLACES!


Earthquake Rocks Eastern Indonesia
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/earthquake-rocks-eastern-indonesia/2006/01/28/1138319474351.html

A MAGNITUTE 7.7 earthquake rocked eastern Indonesia early today, meteorological agencies said.

It did not trigger a tsunami, and there were no immediate reports of injuries or serious damage.

The quake struck at 1:58 am (0358 AEDT) today in the Banda Sea, about 195 km south of Ambon city in the Maluku Islands, the US Geological Survey said on its website. It occurred at a depth of 342 km.

Hundreds of people fled their homes in panic in Ambon and in East Timor, 440 km to the south, according to witnesses and the Internet news portal Detik.com.

There were no immediate reports of injuries, said Amran, an official at Indonesia's meteorological agency, and damage from the two-minute quake appeared to be limited to cracks in some buildings.

It did not trigger a tsunami, probably because of its depth, said Fauzi, another official at the agency.

Laura answered on 01/27/06:

I do worry about the world and the condition that it is in today. Not only the earthquakes, storms, the possibility of coming flu pandemics as well as our inability to come up with medications to combat these illnesses and others that crop up all the time....

But also of the unrest in almost all of the world, especially in the middle east. Iran is trouble..Iraq we all know about. Palestine and Isreal are at it. North Korea. The EU and it's authority or lack of it. And every where in the world that is suffering from starvation and sickness and civil wars. All these rulers including our own who just seem to be making things worse..

It looks like in the U.S. anyway that it won't be long before we will have only the poor and the rich. The middle class are getting squeezed out by all these companies closing their doors or going overseas. Foriegn companies are taking over in our economy. It's probably the same in many other places on earth.

Morallity going down the tubes in place of awful perversness worldwide. Perhaps the prophesy is indeed coming to pass. Wouldn't suprise me a bit.

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sarnian asked on 01/26/06 - Peace and Kindness ....

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I did not discus this with Aton, nor was I asked to do so. Furthermore I left out any comments made to me personally directly. Note : this was posted over only 2 days ( Repeat : over only 2 days ).

The following comments were posted to the board by one of our self-proclaimed "christian" figureheads : Fred_Arcura. Similar comments by Ronnie Erewhom were left out to protect the more sensitive minds.



Arcura and his "peace and kindness"

  • 25-01-06 To Aton :
    You're not only sick in the head, you continue to be an insulting contemptuous bigot.

  • 25-01-06 To Aton :
    Rave on oh sick in head one.

  • 25-01-06 To Aton :
    You're not only sick headed and a bigot, now you are being a hypocrite.

  • 24-01-06 To Aton :
    You are as sick as is sarnian. Mental cripples, both of you

  • 24-01-06 To Deardra :
    Don't believe a word Aton or sarnian says. They are both Christian bigots

  • 24-01-06 To Aton :
    You are nothing but a Christian bigot and very sick.

  • 24-01-06 To Aton :
    You are nothing but a Christian bigot and very sick (in another comment).

  • 24-01-06 To Aton :
    You are sick in the head. An insulting, belittling, Christian hating, conceited, egotistical, mentally twisted sick. You are as bad as or even worse than Sarnian, Freethinker John. The only reason you two are on this board is because of your bigoted sickness.

This seems to provide an entire new look at what christian people mean with "peace and kindness", I guess.

Maybe someone can provide me with the appropriate bible text instructing the sheep to produce this type of filth and post it to the board.

Or is this what you get when "feeble minds" go round the religious twist, fanned by their anger and frustration ?

Can somebody inform board management that Fred Arcura needs to be kicked off the board, preferably for a long time ?

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Laura answered on 01/26/06:

While I may not agree with some of the answers or comments of Christians toward others on this board, you yourself bash Christians here all the time. You bash the God that they believe in. You bash the Christ that they trust in and you bash the Word that they try to follow if even they fail sometimes.. You are no better. But then again you don't have anyone to answer to other than yourself right? Christians would be well to remember that they have a higher standard of accountability.

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deardra asked on 01/24/06 - not ok to lie if you are christian

Ok it isnt ok to lie if you are christian but you wont go to hell if you do. If you are a christian you can lie and be sexually immoral and murder and not go to hell. But if you are not a christian you cant do any of that without going to hell. Is it impossible for a non christian to avoid hell no matter how good they try to be?

Laura answered on 01/25/06:

The Bible says that those who continually do the things that you mentioned above will not go to heaven. A professed Christian who continually lies, commits adultry, murders, and all other things that we as professing Christians are told to avoid by our Savior and do anyway are not really sincere in their conversion. An occasional slip or backslide is a differant story. We repent and try our hardest not to repeat the mistake. But we are still imperfect beings. What you imply is a Baptist doctrine and is incompatible with Biblical teaching.

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sarnian asked on 01/23/06 - Questions on Noah's Ark

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If the story of Noah was true, and there were two of each species aboard (which physically and timewise was impossible), what did all the predators eat after they were offloaded from the Ark?

Nowhere is there any record that :

  1. There was a worldwide flood 2900 BC
  2. There followed a mass extinction of many species afterwards (eaten by the predators).
  3. Have you any idea how many species, subspecies, and sub-sub species exist in the animal kingdom?
  4. How did Noah get hold of all the animals living at other continents?
  5. How did Noah manage to build the Ark, collect the animals, and get sufficient supplies, all in less than a year?
  6. How did they all fitt in one small Ark? (refering the size to the details provided in the bible).
  7. Where was the food stored that was needed for 40 days on-board?

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Laura answered on 01/24/06:

Obviously short of God miraculously providing at least two each of all the animals on the planet (which God is quite capable of) Noah took animals in his region of the earth nearby. 7 days is a pretty short time to pack in all those animals without help don't you think? Why do people limit God so. So nitpicky!

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revdauphinee asked on 01/18/06 - WHO IS IN THE RIGHT HERE???




State-Sponsored Medical Terrorism: Texas Authorities Arrest Parents, Kidnap Their Teenage Daughter, and Force Her through Chemotherapy against Her Will

http://www.newstarget.com/016387.html



Months after a Texas teenager was diagnosed with cancer, state authorities have finally decided to let her return home to her family after a long legal battle in which Texas officials – not the girl's parents – attempted to determine the course of treatment for her disease.

Thirteen-year-old Katie Wernecke was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease, a cancer of the lymph nodes, in January 2005. The teenager underwent chemotherapy after being taken to the emergency room with what her parents had suspected was pneumonia, and doctors recommended she also receive radiation treatments. However, Katie's parents, Michelle and Edward Wernecke, refused the treatments for fear it could cause complications such as an increased risk of breast cancer, learning problems or stunted physical growth. That's when Texas authorities intervened, making private matters public in a way that many feel violated parental rights as well as principles of health freedom.

In what amounted to an attempt to force the Werneckes to submit their daughter to radiation treatments, officials with Texas' Child Protective Services took Katie away from her parents in June, after receiving a tip that Katie and her mother were hiding out at a family ranch in order to avoid the radiation that doctors claimed she needed to survive. Authorities promptly took Katie into custody and arrested her mother on charges of interfering with child custody.

Although Michelle Wernecke was released on $50,000 bond shortly after her arrest, she returned home to find her family in shambles. The state had – in effect – kidnapped her daughter, placed her three sons in a foster home and labeled her and her husband neglectful parents, even though they were only trying to protect their daughter from conventional medicine's harsh cancer treatments. Thus began a long and difficult struggle for the family that received national attention and raised significant questions about medical freedom and parental rights.

On a June 9 episode of NBC's Today show, Michele Wernecke said of her daughter: "I think they should treat her for what her body calls for and not for standard protocol. Nobody will look at that. Not every cancer is the same. Nobody understands that. Her body is not standard, and her cancer is not standard." A videotaped statement, recorded by Katie's parents, shows the girl saying, "I don't need radiation treatment. And nobody asked me what I wanted. It's my body."

On Oct. 21, Texas District Judge Jack Hunter ruled that the Werneckes would be allowed, as they had hoped, to take Katie to Kansas for a consultation with a physician on alternative intravenous vitamin C treatments. However, the judge also ruled that, before her parents could pursue the alternative treatment, Katie must first receive five days of traditional chemotherapy at the University of Texas' M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. This once again thwarted her parents' efforts to protect their daughter from treatments they fear will result in side effects that are more harmful than her actual disease.

Throughout the Werneckes' battle with CPS and the Texas legal system, the family has maintained a blog dedicated to their daughter and her condition at http://prayforkatie.blogspot.com. There, they post news articles, charity information, letters and prayers from people concerned for Katie and disturbed by the drastic actions taken by Texas officials to keep her out of her parents' care.

An Oct. 23 post on the site reads, "Katie has been left all alone in M.D. Anderson undergoing this fourth round of chemotherapy. CPS has not allowed the parents to be present in the hospital during this treatment. I don't have the right words and enough words to express how awful I feel about that. It is unbelievably cruel and just sickening that Katie would have to suffer through that ordeal all alone with no parent beside her. That is emotional abuse and child abuse on the part of CPS."

Although the Werneckes have stuck to their beliefs about what they feel is best for their daughter's health, they have been continuously met by the threats and scare tactics used by CPS. As a result, their daughter has not only suffered through treatment she does not want – and arguably does not need – but she has done so without her parents comfort and support.

On Oct. 31, Judge Hunter finally ruled that Katie should be returned to her family, saying, "CPS and the Werneckes are never, ever going to agree," according to the New York Times. Katie will be allowed to go home after a round of chemotherapy in Houston, but what course her treatment will take after that is unknown. However, her father said at Monday's hearing that the family "wanted to try other treatments for Katie before considering radiation as a last resort," the New York Times reported.

The good news is, Katie will be able to return to her family and receive their love and support, but the decision seems long overdue. The Werneckes' situation over the past months is a prime example of how modern medicine has gotten out of control in this country. It seems we now live in a terrifying world where medical professionals are able to enlist the help of government agencies in order to force people into medical treatments that can actually pose significant health dangers. It is a climate in which diagnosis and medical treatment may be accompanied by threats and legal action for those who dare to select an alternative path of healing for themselves or their loved ones. It is an atmosphere in which parents can actually lose their sick children to the system of modern conventional medicine.

A disease like cancer is traumatic enough; it does not need to be complicated with the stresses of custody battles and legal threats. What a child really needs when suffering through something as daunting as cancer is her parents. The Werneckes may have been fighting to block the treatment of their daughter with conventional cancer treatments that can cause severe health problems, but Texas authorities, in the past months, were playing a much more dangerous game by fighting to remove Katie from the love and support of her parents, which is some of the best medicine

Laura answered on 01/19/06:

I have to agree with Katies parents on this. I know a woman who had cancer and went through the chemo and radiation only for it to weaken the arteries in her brain and she ended up with an aneurism that burst and almost killed her. About a year later doctors said that the cancer was now in another part of her body and wanted to do the chemo and radiation again. She chose alternative treatments instead. That was around twelve years ago and she is still alive and well. Though she does have some challenges because of her brain hemmorage. Katie is old enough to have a say in her treatment options. The state should butt out!

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arcura asked on 01/18/06 - Could you sincerely pray this Indian prayer??????

An Indian Prayer

O’ GREAT SPIRIT
Whose voice I hear in the winds
And whose breath gives life to all the world.
Hear me!
I am small and weak. I need your strength and wisdom.
LET ME WALK IN BEAUTY, and make my eyes ever behold
the read and purple sunset.
MAKE MY HANDS respect the things you have made
and my ears sharp to hear your voice.
MAKE ME WISE so that I may understand
the things you have taught my people.
LET ME LEARN the lessons you have hidden
in every leaf and rock.
I SEEK STRENGTH, not to be greater than my brother,
but to fight my greatest enemy – myself.
MAKE ME ALWAYS READY to come to you
with clean hands and straight eyes.
SO THAT WHEN LIFE FADES, as the fading sunset,
my spirit may come to you without shame.
(Attributed to Chief Yellow Knife)

Laura answered on 01/19/06:

Though I call God God, He is after all "The Great Spirit" It is a lovely prayer and I would pray it.

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excon asked on 01/18/06 - Death


Hello Christians:

Should one feel worse if a human friend dies than when an animal friend dies?

excon

Laura answered on 01/18/06:

Rainbow Bridge
Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

Author unknown...

I have cried as much for precious pets that have gone on as I have for my human friends and family.

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arcura asked on 12/30/05 - There is no question about this...............

I wish, hope, and pray that each one of you make it through the new year and beyond.
And that during 2006 you have all the good that you hope and pray for.
Let the good things you do and say give glory to God, laying up treasures in heaven, and the blessings that come from that to be here for you all year long.
Fred

Laura answered on 12/31/05:

Happy New Year and may God bless you. Laura

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curious98 asked on 12/31/05 - Hoping for the best

From the snowy mountains of Andorra I wish you all, Christians and no Christians, Believers and Atheists, friends, in short, our best wishes for a very prosperous 2006.

That tomorrow may be the start of a new and happier life for all of you together with those you love.

And may this 2006 bring to the whole world a well-deserved peace along with a little bit more justice and consolation for all the suffering souls of our lovely Planet!

Your friend,

Claude (aka Curious98)

Laura answered on 12/31/05:

Happy New Year to you as well.. Have a blessed year to come. Laura

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STONY asked on 12/31/05 - WISHING YA'LL THE BEST "NEW YEARS EVE"...

AND I'LL SEE YA'LL NEXT YEAR. NO ACCESS TO COMPUTER UNTIL TUESDAY........STONY

Laura answered on 12/31/05:

God bless you STONY...Have a blessed New Year. Laura

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paraclete asked on 12/27/05 - how true it is?

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Heaven's Entrance Exam

A man dies and goes to heaven. Of course, St. Peter meets him at the Pearly
Gates. St. Peter says, "Here's how it works. You need 100 points to make it
into heaven. You tell me all the good things you've done, and I give you a
certain number of points for each item, depending on how good it was. When
you reach 100 points, you get in."

"Okay," the man says, "I was married to the same woman for 50 years and
never cheated on her, even in my heart."

"That's wonderful," says St. Peter, "that's worth three points!"

"Three points?" he says. "Well, I attended church all my life and supported
its ministry with my tithe and service."

"Terrific!" says St. Peter. "That's certainly worth a point."

"One point?!!" "I started a soup kitchen in my city and worked in a shelter
for homeless veterans."

"Fantastic, that's good for two more points," he says.

"Two points!?!!" Exasperated, the man cries. "At this rate
the only way I'll get into heaven is by the grace of God."

"Bingo, 100 points! Come on in!"

Laura answered on 12/27/05:

There but for the grace of God go "I"... So true!!!

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paraclete asked on 12/27/05 - what did you do?

Ducks

Three women die together in an accident and go to heaven. When they
get there, St. Peter says, "We only have one rule here in heaven ... don't
step on the ducks."

So they enter heaven, and sure enough, there are ducks all over the place.
It is almost impossible not to step on a duck, and although they try their
best to avoid them, the first woman accidentally steps on one.

Along comes St. Peter with the ugliest man she ever saw. St. Peter chains
them together and says, "Your punishment for stepping on a duck is to
spend eternity chained to this ugly man!"

The next day, the second woman accidentally steps on a duck, and
along came St. Peter, who doesn't miss a thing, and with him is another
extremely ugly man. He chains them together with the same punishment
as the first woman.

The third woman has observed all this and, not wanting to be chained for
all eternity to an ugly man, is very, VERY careful where she steps. She
manages to go months without stepping on any ducks, but one day St.
Peter comes up to her with the most handsome man she has ever laid
eyes on ... very tall, tan, muscular, and with good hair. St. Peter chains
them together without saying a word.

The woman remarks, "I wonder what I did to deserve being chained to
you for all of eternity?"

And the guy says, "Well, I don't know what you did, but I stepped on a duck."

Laura answered on 12/27/05:

"This" would be my luck!" LOL

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HANK1 asked on 12/27/05 - JUST WONDERING ...

... how many Experts ACTUALLY read long posts and clarifications.

HANK

Laura answered on 12/27/05:

Sometimes I try. Usually the really long posts are frankly either political hum drum, military or civil unrest or religious "you need to join my church cause it's the best" kind of stuff. But if it starts out interesting and catches my attention then certainly I read it. If I answer a post I will usually read the follow up/clarifications.

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Tex78 asked on 12/26/05 - Thank You for Wiretapping Mr. President. You may have saved the lives of your critics, and others.<

Why the Founders made presidents dominant on national security.

Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST
Wisconsin Democrat Russ Feingold wants to be President, and that's fair enough. By all means go for it in 2008. The same applies to Lindsey Graham, the South Carolina Republican who's always on the Sunday shows fretting about the latest criticism of the Bush Administration's prosecution of the war on terror. But until you run nationwide and win, Senators, please stop stripping the Presidency of its Constitutional authority to defend America.
That is the real issue raised by the Beltway furor over last week's leak of National Security Agency wiretaps on international phone calls involving al Qaeda suspects. The usual assortment of Senators and media potentates is howling that the wiretaps are "illegal," done "in total secret," and threaten to bring us a long, dark night of fascism. "I believe it does violate the law," averred Mr. Feingold on CNN Sunday.
The truth is closer to the opposite. What we really have here is a perfect illustration of why America's Founders gave the executive branch the largest measure of Constitutional authority on national security. They recognized that a committee of 535 talking heads couldn't be trusted with such grave responsibility. There is no evidence that these wiretaps violate the law. But there is lots of evidence that the Senators are "illegally" usurping Presidential power--and endangering the country in the process.

The allegation of Presidential law-breaking rests solely on the fact that Mr. Bush authorized wiretaps without first getting the approval of the court established under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. But no Administration then or since has ever conceded that that Act trumped a President's power to make exceptions to FISA if national security required it. FISA established a process by which certain wiretaps in the context of the Cold War could be approved, not a limit on what wiretaps could ever be allowed.
The courts have been explicit on this point, most recently in In Re: Sealed Case, the 2002 opinion by the special panel of appellate judges established to hear FISA appeals. In its per curiam opinion, the court noted that in a previous FISA case (U.S. v. Truong), a federal "court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue [our emphasis], held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information." And further that "we take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."
On Sunday Mr. Graham opined that "I don't know of any legal basis to go around" FISA--which suggests that next time he should do his homework before he implies on national TV that a President is acting like a dictator. (Mr. Graham made his admission of ignorance on CBS's "Face the Nation," where he was representing the Republican point of view. Democrat Joe Biden was certain that laws had been broken, while the two journalists asking questions clearly had no idea what they were talking about. So much for enlightening television.)
The mere Constitution aside, the evidence is also abundant that the Administration was scrupulous in limiting the FISA exceptions. They applied only to calls involving al Qaeda suspects or those with terrorist ties. Far from being "secret," key Members of Congress were informed about them at least 12 times, President Bush said yesterday. The two district court judges who have presided over the FISA court since 9/11 also knew about them.
Inside the executive branch, the process allowing the wiretaps was routinely reviewed by Justice Department lawyers, by the Attorney General personally, and with the President himself reauthorizing the process every 45 days. In short, the implication that this is some LBJ-J. Edgar Hoover operation designed to skirt the law to spy on domestic political enemies is nothing less than a political smear.
All the more so because there are sound and essential security reasons for allowing such wiretaps. The FISA process was designed for wiretaps on suspected foreign agents operating in this country during the Cold War. In that context, we had the luxury of time to go to the FISA court for a warrant to spy on, say, the economic counselor at the Soviet embassy.
In the war on terror, the communications between terrorists in Frankfurt and agents in Florida are harder to track, and when we gather a lead the response often has to be immediate. As we learned on 9/11, acting with dispatch can be a matter of life and death. The information gathered in these wiretaps is not for criminal prosecution but solely to detect and deter future attacks. This is precisely the kind of contingency for which Presidential power and responsibility is designed.
What the critics in Congress seem to be proposing--to the extent they've even thought much about it--is the establishment of a new intelligence "wall" that would allow the NSA only to tap phones overseas while the FBI would tap them here. Terrorists aren't about to honor such a distinction. As Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," before 9/11 "our intelligence agencies looked out; our law enforcement agencies looked in. And people could--terrorists could--exploit the seam between them." The wiretaps are designed to close the seam.

As for power without responsibility, nobody beats Congress. Mr. Bush has publicly acknowledged and defended his decisions. But the Members of Congress who were informed about this all along are now either silent or claim they didn't get the full story. This is why these columns have long opposed requiring the disclosure of classified operations to the Congressional Intelligence Committees. Congress wants to be aware of everything the executive branch does, but without being accountable for anything at all. If Democrats want to continue this game of intelligence and wiretap "gotcha," the White House should release the names of every Congressman who received such a briefing.
Which brings us to this national security leak, which Mr. Bush yesterday called "a shameful act." We won't second-guess the New York Times decision to publish. But everyone should note the irony that both the Times and Washington Post claimed to be outraged by, and demanded a special counsel to investigate, the leak of Valerie Plame's identity, which did zero national security damage.
By contrast, the Times' NSA leak last week, and an earlier leak in the Washington Post on "secret" prisons for al Qaeda detainees in Europe, are likely to do genuine harm by alerting terrorists to our defenses. If more reporters from these newspapers now face the choice of revealing their sources or ending up in jail, those two papers will share the Plame blame.
The NSA wiretap uproar is one of those episodes, alas far too common, that make us wonder if Washington is still a serious place. Too many in the media and on Capitol Hill have forgotten that terrorism in the age of WMD poses an existential threat to our free society. We're glad Mr. Bush and his team are forcefully defending their entirely legal and necessary authority to wiretap enemies seeking to kill innocent Americans.

Laura answered on 12/27/05:

Have you ever heard the term "There is nothing new under the sun"....If anyone thinks that this is the first President to do this is nuts. He is NOT the first and will not be the last. Our government does what it does in what it thinks is in the best interests of honest average Americans. I personally don't have anything to hide so therefore I don't care. But I did hear a saying today. "Anyone who would give up freedom for security doesn't deserve either". It made me stop and think. Which IS more important? Freedom or security? I guess it's a question we all need to think about.

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paraclete asked on 12/25/05 - not your average Christmas mass?

Could this be a trendy way to get people back to church?


Naked teenager streaks through church mass
From:
By Greg McLean

December 26, 2005


A NORTHERN Territory teenager has run naked through a church and jumped up on the altar in the middle of a midnight Christmas mass.
About 150 Catholic churchgoers in Alice Springs were stunned by the prank yesterday but reacted quickly to hold the naked reveller until police arrived.

Father Brian Healy said the 18-year-old ran naked through the aisle before jumping up on the altar.

"He must have planned it," he said.

"As he ran into the church he was yelling something and then he ran around a bit and jumped on the altar.

"He wasn't a part of the congregation.


"Besides that I was quite pleased with the turnout - you always like to see more people at church but the people here had a lovely spirit and it was very Christ-like."

Police were quick to arrest the streaker and he was charged with indecent exposure and disturbing a religious worship.

He was granted bail on the condition that he not go within 200m of a place of worship.

Alice Springs police watch commander Henry Sattler praised the efforts of churchgoers who held the streaker until police arrived.

"As I understand it he was dancing around the altar provocatively," he said.

"Some of the church members lost patience with him after he started dancing around the altar and grabbed hold of him.

"I don't know if he was affected by alcohol or not.

"It was a pretty busy night for police but other than that it was just your usual drunken revelry on Christmas Eve."

Laura answered on 12/26/05:

Trendy?? Doubtful. Naked men (or boys) are kinda funny looking...Like an elephant if you know what I mean. LOL :-)

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deardra asked on 12/24/05 - aiming in the right direction

I hope everyone is enjoying this holiday season! My dad told me some things about christianity and I was hoping to get some feedback from you. He says all this stuff about christianity and most every religion was created by men to help them face their fears of death and dying. Instinct for survivle is what he calls it. Most people arent comfortable with the idea that when they die its over. He said they developed theories that he calls fairy tales about heaven and eternity. Laws created by men to control the actions of society were writen down and passed off as words and rules from god. It makes sense to me. I was wondering if you find out your belief isnt true will you regret your efforts to live up to the rules of getting into heaven? Will you rather spend all your energy on guilt and fear or living a good life? Do you think it is a sin to accept christmas presents if you don't believe in the christmas fable?

Laura answered on 12/24/05:

Jesus said that He came to set people free from guilt and fear as well as teaching them how to live in holiness...a good life. Must we have fear and guilt? I don't think so. That is self imposed..Jesus freed us from it. We now must free ourselves from our self imposed prisons of the mind.

I don't think it is a sin to recieve a gift from someone who is thinking of you. No matter what time of year it is.

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Choux asked on 12/23/05 - A Christmas Fable

"Imagine that Jesus is what they said He was: the Son of God who was born in poverty, an outsider born to an outsider people. The Israel of his time was a desolate outpost in the Roman Empire. No doubt some Centurions saw the Jews as "camel jockeys" - those oppressed citizens of a sand-strewn Imperial ghetto.

Jesus was an outcast among outcasts because of the questions of his parentage and His birth to a teenaged mother. He would eventually die a criminal, a political and spiritual revolutionary, a troublemaker.

Now imagine that He chooses to return again - not as the conquering White Horse Rider from Revelations, an image designed to appeal to Romans (who traditionally paraded conquering generals through Rome on a white horse), but the way He came before: as an outcast with a message about the immediacy and universality of God's love.

Ask yourself the question: How would Fox News cover His life?

Remember: He's coming back the way He came before, in secret. So He might be a Jew again, or He might pick an even more disliked minority religion - Muslim, maybe. Or Unitarian. He might be a woman this time. Would He be born to a teenaged mother again - maybe in Detroit this time, or in Watts?

He might come back as one of the "burakamin" in Japan, or as a Tibetan in China, a Pakistani in London, a Chicano in LA, a !Kung in Botswana. As a woman in Saudi Arabia, or a gay man in Idaho. Or an Arab in any American city. Maybe his family's last name would be the same as one of the villains from ൠ" or "Sleeper Cell."

He would say what He said before, when He turned the water into wine: Everything is sacramental if you're open to the divine, whether it's been blessed by the authorities or not. He would fight the Sanhedrin of his time - the Falwells and Robertsons, the television preachers in their shining megachurches (sorry, we'll be closed this Christmas!), those who would close off the doors to God and pretend to speak in His name.

And He would reject the politicians, too, and the wealthy. He or She ... this irritating, rebellious, subversive preacher from the ghetto or the soul.

"Happy Holidays," He would say. Why? Because for him all are welcome to the Kingdom of God, not just a few. He embraced the Samaritan last time he was here - that representative of an outcast religion. This time He would surely reach out to the Hindu, the Buddhist, the Muslim, the Jain, the Jew - and the atheist. He would welcome the stranger at the door. "Happy holidays," He would say.

"But aren't you the One this holiday is named for?" His followers would ask. "Yes," he would answer, "but the rejecters and haters aren't acting in My name, because they're not listening to my words." Since He had returned in a new human life, he would have a new name anyway. It would be the spirit, not the name, that mattered.

"This lunatic," O'Reilly and Gibson would say, "is an enemy of Christmas. And a terrorist who destroys moneychanger's property." With Falwell and Robertson nodding approvingly, they would call for extreme measures. "Time," they would say, "for an execution."

(And, just in case there's any doubt, let me be clear: Yes, I am saying that Bill O'Reilly would crucify the living Jesus if he ever had the opportunity. And that John Gibson would pat him on the back while he did it, with Falwell and Robertson's approval. Don't like it, guys? Too bad.)

And when that execution finally took place (because, remember, we have a government that's pro-death penalty and "tough on crime" - except the white-collar kind)? It would be carried live ... on Fox.

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Luke 8:58: And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.

UPDATE: To those who have written me to explain that Jesus would have acted fiercely toward our country today because of its "tolerance" of abortion and its rejection to prayer in the schools, I refer them to this source document: a searchable King James Bible. The words "abortion" and "prayer in the schools" do not appear. (And they call themselves strict interpreters of the Bible!)

To those who cite Bill O'Reilly's self-professed opposition to the death penalty I say, Tell it to the 30,000 Iraqi dead (probably more) as a result of the war he supports. Any guy who wants Al Qaeda to murder San Franciscans because he doesn't like the way they vote is not "opposed to the death penalty" - he'd impose it for the wrong politics. Oh, yeah - he'd take the Savior down if he had the chance ..."



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Laura answered on 12/23/05:

Merry Christmas Choux. First I have to say that those who profess Christianity have an understanding according to scripture that Jesus will return in the glorious manner described in Revelation and the Gospels.

Having said that if Jesus came back in the way that you described He would be rejected just as He was the first time. Even more so because He would not be fulfilling prophesy as He did when He came the first time.

Those who believed in Him the first time around understood that He was prophesy of Messiah come to pass. Those who rejected Him thought he would come as a King, someone great and mighty (which He was, but not the way that they imagined).. They didn't understand what He was about or even the purpose behind how and why God sent Him the first time the way that he did.

Probably "all" news networks would describe Him as a nut case.

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sapphire630 asked on 12/22/05 - Balance God/you

I boiled my problem with the lose of my truck down to
realizing that maybe I just can't find the balance.
My truck was only worth about 500. and my mechanic is about as poor as me, so if he makes payments it will be some time before I can afford to buy anything.

I was thinking last night about how maybe God is trying to show me that I am always trying to get ahead of him instead of letting him work things out. But then if I don't be 'pro-active' and push to get ahead I get in a bigger mess to with my bills and so forth.
I am so used to pushing to get ahead and only end up further behind. I feel like if I don't push I feel like I am procrastinating and I hate that.
When something tells me just wait I feel like it is only me being lazy.

I just can't seem to find the balance.
What are some things that help you know when to push and when God is telling you to 'Let go and let God'?


Laura answered on 12/22/05:

We as well have been under a tremendous amount of tension as of late. After learning that my husband is losing his job of 28 years we are not sure what the future holds. But I am learning never to count on anything in life as a sure thing. We've lived with rose colored glasses for all these years thinking that we would have a secure pension like our parents before us. That may not turn out to be the case. If not I don't know what in the world we will do. But I know that life will go on. God will provide. Alot of mistakes we made over the years finacially are coming now to haunt us. It's a scary feeling. I pray for all of us for God's peace during these tough times. God bless you.

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arcura asked on 12/18/05 - Is this fair OR unfair or WHAT?......................

College Students Sue California Over Preferences for Illegal Aliens
Jim Kouri, CPP

Attorneys representing college students from 19 states filed a class-action lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars from officials for charging them significantly more than illegal aliens pay to attend state-run colleges in California.
The state allows illegal aliens to pay in-state tuition, while making out-of-state American citizens pay higher tuition fees.

The 42 plaintiffs allege that California lawmakers and members of the board of regents for the University of California "knowingly violated a federal law enacted in 1996 that says any state that offers discounted in-state tuition to its illegal aliens must provide the same lower rates to all US citizens."

Some of students in the University of California system could be eligible for as much as $300,000 in total damages, according to plaintiffs' attorneys.

The students state that the lawsuit was filed in a state court in Yolo County on behalf of over 50,000 US citizens who have paid out-of-state tuition to attend public colleges and universities in California since 2002.

They also claim that out-of-state students are paying $20,000 more than illegal aliens per year to attend schools in the University of California system. That's $11,000 more than illegal aliens pay for the same education.

"And in the community college system in California, which has a total of 1.5 million students, the tuition differential is $6,000 a year," said attorney and legal scholar Kris Kokach..

California is among the eight states that have laws charging lower in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens who qualify as in-state residents.

Opponents of illegal alien preferences say that those state laws violate a federal statute, which took effect in 1998, that says any state that offers discounted in-state tuition rates at public colleges to illegals living in the state must provide the same lower rates to all US citizens who attend. The legislation was sponsored by Rep. Lamar Smith, Texas Republican, and Sen. Alan K. Simpson, Wyoming Republican.

One angry student said, "These illegal aliens may live in California, but they broke the law to do it. Why should they get preferential treatment over citizens?"

Allegedly, the administrators of the University of California system also recognized that the state law was invalid, and they refused to implement it unless they were "given immunity." As a result, he said, California lawmakers enacted an "immunity statute," which says that if the state tuition law is declared illegal or unconstitutional, schools in the University of California system would not be held liable for retroactive tuition differences.

The bill which gave lower tuition to illegal aliens was signed into law by Governor Gray Davis, a Democrat who was ousted from office by a state recall vote.

Laura answered on 12/19/05:

Now are these "illegal alians"?? Or foriegners with legal status to be here? First of all, how can an illegal alian even go to one of our colleges? If they are here legally then the state that they live in can provide them with lower state rates.. If they are not here legally then they should be made to be formally documented so that they can.

Many students in our public schools are illegals and children of their parents who work the fields at pitiful wages. When they are ready to enter higher education they have contributed to our society, they have become active members of the community. Why shouldn't they be entitled to higher education? I think that they should but I also think that they should be documented and made "legal".

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Choux asked on 12/17/05 - Female Genital Mutilation

For those who are confused, the intent of Female Genital Mutilation is to cut the pleasure nerve in half, the nerve that gives sensation to the clitoris, SO THAT THE WOMAN MUTILATED WILL NOT EXPERIENCE SEXUAL PLEASURE from clitoral stimulation. A mutilated woman is considered in some Islamic circles more desireable as a wife if she had no sexual feeling in her clitoris.

Laura answered on 12/18/05:

I watched a special about this the other day. To some it is a serious religious practice. They believe that the foreskin of the man is a remnent of the female anatomy (the labia)and therefore must be removed by circumsision as a man should not possess any feminine traits. In turn the clitoris is a remnent of the male anatomy (the penis)and is actually cut off (female circumsision)in some circumstances to remove male traits. I think it is horrible. They showed little girls being subjected to this operation with their mother's approval. They were awake throughout the process with only a shot to numb the pain and that was only if they would stay still long enough.

In one instance a young girl had married and was afraid of the terrible pain that intercourse would cause because she had been "circumsised". She had refused to have sex with her new husband. She went to a doctor but her husband refused to allow her to have a minor operation that would greatly reduce her pain. The husband said that he would take care of it himself. I felt so sad for that young girl.

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arcura asked on 12/17/05 - Spin it left - Spin it right - Which spin is correct?

Official: Bush authorized spying multiple times
Associated Press

Senior intelligence officer says President personally gave NSA permission
NEW YORK - President Bush has personally authorized a secretive eavesdropping program in the United States more than three dozen times since October 2001, a senior intelligence official said Friday night.

The disclosure follows angry demands by lawmakers earlier in the day for a congressional inquiry into whether the monitoring by the highly secretive National Security Agency violated civil liberties.

“There is no doubt that this is inappropriate,” declared Republican Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He promised hearings early next year.

Bush on Friday refused to discuss whether he had authorized such domestic spying without obtaining warrants from a court, saying that to comment would tie his hands in fighting terrorists.

In a broad defense of the program put forward hours later, however, a senior intelligence official told The Associated Press that the eavesdropping was narrowly designed to go after possible terrorist threats in the United States.

The official said that since October 2001, the program has been renewed more than three dozen times. Each time, the White House counsel and the attorney general certified the lawfulness of the program, the official said. Bush then signed the authorization.

Risk to the country At each review, government officials have provided a fresh assessment of the terrorist threat, showing that there is a catastrophic risk to the country or government, the official said.

“Only if those conditions apply do we even begin to think about this,” he said. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the intelligence operation.

“The president has authorized NSA to fully use its resources — let me underscore this now — consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution to defend the United States and its citizens,” the official said, adding that congressional leaders have also been briefed more than a dozen times.

Senior officials asserted that that the president would do everything in his power to protect the American people while safeguarding civil liberties.

“I will make this point,” Bush said in an interview with “The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer.” “That whatever I do to protect the American people — and I have an obligation to do so — that we will uphold the law, and decisions made are made understanding we have an obligation to protect the civil liberties of the American people.”

Senators want more information The surveillance, disclosed in Friday’s New York Times, is said to allow the agency to monitor international calls and e-mail messages of people inside the United States. But the paper said the agency would still seek warrants to snoop on purely domestic communications — for example, Americans’ calls between New York and California.

“I want to know precisely what they did,” said Specter. “How NSA utilized their technical equipment, whose conversations they overheard, how many conversations they overheard, what they did with the material, what purported justification there was.”

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said he wanted to know exactly what is going on before deciding whether an investigation is called for. “Theoretically, I obviously wouldn’t like it,” he said of the program.

Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., a member of the Judiciary Committee, said, “This shocking revelation ought to send a chill down the spine of every American.”

Times: Cheney told of program Vice President Dick Cheney and Bush chief of staff Andrew Card went to the Capitol Friday to meet with congressional leaders and the top members of the intelligence committees, who are often briefed on spy agencies’ most classified programs. The Times said they had been previously told of the program. Members and their aides would not discuss the subject of the closed sessions Friday.

The intelligence official would not provide details on the operations or examples of success stories. He said senior national security officials are trying to fix problems raised by the Sept. 11 commission, which found that two of the suicide hijackers were communicating from San Diego with al-Qaida operatives overseas.

“We didn’t know who they were until it was too late,” the official said.

Some intelligence experts who believe in broad presidential power argued that Bush would have the authority to order searches without warrants under the Constitution.

In a case unrelated to NSA eavesdropping in this country, the administration has argued that the president has vast authority to order intelligence surveillance without warrants “of foreign powers or their agents.”

“Congress cannot by statute extinguish that constitutional authority,” the Justice Department said in a 2002 legal filing with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review.

Other intelligence veterans found difficulty with the program in light of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, passed after the intelligence community came under fire for spying on Americans. That law gives government — with approval from a secretive U.S. court — the authority to conduct covert wiretaps and surveillance of suspected terrorists and spies.

No comment from NSA In a written statement, NSA spokesman Don Weber said the agency would not provide any information on the reported surveillance program. “We do not discuss actual or alleged operational issues,” he said.

Elizabeth Rindskopf Parker, former NSA general counsel, said it was troubling that such a change would have been made by executive order, even if it turns out to be within the law.

Parker, who has no direct knowledge of the program, said the effect could be corrosive. “There are programs that do push the edge, and would be appropriate, but will be thrown out,” she said.

Prior to 9/11, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance activities to foreign embassies and missions — and obtained court orders for such investigations. Much of its work was overseas, where thousands of people with suspected terrorist ties or other valuable intelligence may be monitored.

The report surfaced as the administration and its GOP allies on Capitol Hill were fighting to save provisions of the expiring USA Patriot Act that they believe are key tools in the fight against terrorism. An attempt to rescue the approach favored by the White House and Republicans failed on a procedural vote.

Laura answered on 12/17/05:

Bush Acknowledges Approving Eavesdropping in U.S. Dozens of Times Since Sept. 11 Attacks


President Bush delivers his live radio address from the Roosevelt Room at the White House, Saturday, Dec. 17, 2005, in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)
12-17-2005 10:07 AM
By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer

Listen to audio
WASHINGTON -- President Bush said Saturday he has no intention of stopping his personal authorizations of a post-Sept. 11 secret eavesdropping program in the U.S., lashing out at those involved in revealing it while defending it as crucial to preventing future attacks.

"This is a highly classified program that is crucial to our national security," he said in a radio address delivered live from the White House's Roosevelt Room.

"This authorization is a vital tool in our war against the terrorists. It is critical to saving American lives. The American people expect me to do everything in my power, under our laws and Constitution, to protect them and their civil liberties and that is exactly what I will continue to do as long as I am president of the United States," Bush said.

Angry members of Congress have demanded an explanation of the program, first revealed in Friday's New York Times and whether the monitoring by the National Security Agency without obtaining warrants from a court violates civil liberties. One Democrat said in response to Bush's remarks on the radio that Bush was acting more like a king than the elected president of a democracy.

Bush said the program was narrowly designed and used "consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution." He said it is used only to intercept the international communications of people inside the United States who have been determined to have "a clear link" to al-Qaida or related terrorist organizations.

The program is reviewed every 45 days, using fresh threat assessments, legal reviews by the Justice Department, White House counsel and others, and information from previous activities under the program, the president said.

Without identifying specific lawmakers, Bush said congressional leaders have been briefed more than a dozen times on the program's activities.

The president also said the intelligence officials involved in the monitoring receive extensive training to make sure civil liberties are not violated.

Appearing angry at points during his eight-minute address, Bush said he had reauthorized the program more than 30 times since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and plans to continue doing so.

"I intend to do so for as long as our nation faces a continuing threat from al-Qaida and related groups," he said.

The president contended the program has helped "detect and prevent possible terrorist attacks in the U.S. and abroad," but did not provide specific examples.

He said it is designed in part to fix problems raised by the Sept. 11 commission, which found that two of the suicide hijackers were communicating from San Diego with al-Qaida operatives overseas.

"The activities I have authorized make it more likely that killers like these 9-11 hijackers will be identified and located in time," he said.

In an effort by the administration that appeared coordinated to stem criticism, Bush's remarks echoed _ in many cases word-for-word _ those issued Friday night by a senior intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity. The president's highly unusual discussion of classified activities showed the sensitive nature of the program, whose existence was revealed as Congress was trying to renew the terrorism-fighting Patriot Act and complicated that effort, a top priority of Bush's.

Senate Democrats joined with a handful of Republicans on Friday to stall the bill. Those opposing the renewal of key provisions of the act that are expiring say they threaten constitutional liberties.

Reacting to Bush's defense of the NSA program, Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., said the president's remarks were "breathtaking in how extreme they were."

Feingold said it was "absurd" that Bush said he relied on his inherent power as president to authorize the wiretaps.

"If that's true, he doesn't need the Patriot Act because he can just make it up as he goes along. I tell you, he's President George Bush, not King George Bush. This is not the system of government we have and that we fought for," Feingold told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

The president had harsh words for those who talked about the program to the media, saying their actions were illegal and improper.

"As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have," he said. "The unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk."


Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


So sue me.. I redistributed this.

Just what is it that we want our President to do?? Risk our freedoms or squelch them??? I don't have the answer.. But I can't personally blame him for taking the higher ground and protecting U.S. freedoms. Perhaps I am wrong.

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revdauphinee asked on 12/17/05 - for those who dissagree with me !

I realize there are many who call me biggoted and even crazy It bothers me not a whit,I am at least truthfull in that i state how I realy feel and never try to hide behind the political correctness of the day .sure scripture tells us tlo love even our enemies and I do for every one whoGod created is worthy however I am not told to accept what they believe withing that love !I am in various places told to reject false teachings and it is the teachings that I hate !Yes i used the word hate ,sory I am not perfect none of us are I am just a sinner saved by the grace of Jesus Christ.I just ask all to read about mohammed then read the following taken from scripture then try to understand the differences between islamm and Christianity
concerning Islaam and Mohamed
(Deut.13:1-5
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder,
2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known such as Alah) "and let us worship them,"
3 YOU MUST NOT!!! listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. (((The LORD your God is testing you))) to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.

so I ask you do you realy love him or do you love what you yourself percieve him to be???


(EMPHASIS ARE MINE)


Laura answered on 12/17/05:

Yes, these days are a test to the willingness to be obedient to God, forsaking the world and the things in it. It is hard. So hard. Yesturday I watched Philadelphia on tv. I cried for ever after watching it. My daughter laughed at me because I have seen that movie so many times and yet it affects me the same way every time. We see sin the way we want to and we overlook our own. I had to ask God to forgive me..For my predjudice..for my shortcomings...for my own sin.. ANY sin keeps us from the presence of the Holy One. God does not seperate one sin from another. We have to trust in the blood of the Savior Jesus Christ who redeemed ALL sin on the cross.. Thank you Jesus..Thank you!!!

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/16/05 - Let's move Christmas out of the holiday season!!!!

Go ahead, move his day

December 16, 2005
by Andrew Greeley

A long time ago a very wise teen told me that she thought it was a shame that Christmas came during the holidays. She had a point. I've often thought that the ancient church made a mistake when it tried to convert the Roman feast of the Saturnalia (or Lupercalia as it was also called) into the celebration of the birthday of Jesus. It didn't quite work. In Britain, for example, from Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol to Dylan Thomas's "A Child's Christmas in Wales," there is not the slightest mention of Jesus.

When I watch folks pummel one another as they fight their way toward Wal-Mart's bargains, I'm not sure there's all that much left of Bethlehem and the holy family and the angels and the shepherds and the magi -- nor of the love for one another that Christmas should sustain. Neither do the frantic and frenetic efforts to accomplish the required shopping and the ill tempers and sensitive egos of the feast day itself render much honor to the Light of the World. So maybe we should move the birthday of Jesus out of the holidays and celebrate it with the Festival of the Magi on Jan. 6, as did the Greeks in the church of long ago.

Then we solve the problem of what to say this time of the year. Having given the holidays back to the pagans, we could wish one another a "Festive Lupercalia" or even a "Fertile Saturnalia." The tree could revert to its pagan title of the Tannenbaum, the sacred fir tree of the Teutonic tribes, the passionate tree that unites heaven and earth in love and brings down the warm spring rains necessary for life to continue on earth.

Crypto Christians could content themselves with the secret that the birth of Jesus did unite earth and heaven and that the lights represent the Light of the World and the fruits (ornaments) represent ourselves, the spiritual offspring of the love between earth and heaven. As long as we keep that a secret, neither secularists (who don't like religion at this time of the year) or the "Christians" (who think fertility symbols to be obscene idolatry) will mind at all.

The president, a Christian to whom God gives instructions about wars, could hardly mind. A born-again Christian he might be, yet his holiday card is totally irreligious.

The Madonna Christmas stamp would have to go, however. It almost disappeared during the Clinton administration when a bureaucrat at the Postal Service decided it was not politically correct. The (Jewish) mother of Jesus and her (Jewish) child survived on a stamp only because of direct presidential intervention. If my reform of the festival is to succeed, the Jan Gosseart Madonna and Child -- from Chicago's Art Institute, be it noted -- will be her last appearance on a stamp. Besides, real "Christians" should consider honoring her on a government stamp an act of federally sponsored idolatry.

I can't be serious, you say? Well, no. Nonetheless, I find the controversy about Christmas and the holidays unedifying and creepy. The sneaky tricks of the politically correct to remove Christ from the holidays are doomed to failure. There are many more evangelical Christmas shoppers and voters than there are secularists. Logically, Christmas is a politically incorrect festival that causes embarrassment to those Americans who are not Christians (though not to Islamic shoppers, since for them Jesus is the greatest of the prophets before Mohammed and his birthday deserves to be celebrated). However, Christmas is an intricate element in American culture and cannot be extirpated.

The last such attempt was made by the New England Puritans -- ancestors, one suspects, of many of the contemporary secularists -- who forbade it by law. School attendance on Dec. 25 was required in Massachusetts until the 1880s, and Thanksgiving was designated the late autumn festival to replace the Popish idolatry of Christmas. The Papists responded by enthusiastically celebrating both feasts.

The gift exchange at Christmas -- however often blighted by human weakness -- represents the intense love that should flourish this time of the year. The darkness-turning-into-light spirit of the season would be best reflected by respect for the traditions of others, majority and minority. Those of us who know what all the symbols mean will keep our secrets to ourselves.

And to paraphrase slightly Tiny Tim: "Bon Noel everyone!"

[end of column]

Laura answered on 12/16/05:

CeeBee.............I am amazed at the things that you post...seeing as how you profess Christianity and such. And how your dad is a minister......Are you rebelling or what???!!! Go back to your roots baby doll...regardless of the grudges that you hold..or held...or whatever.. God needs you on His side!!

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arcura asked on 12/15/05 - Do dogs go to heaven? Is this the answer?

To see the answer go here...
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~cypert/dick/inheaven.html

Laura answered on 12/16/05:

I sure hope so Fred. But there are a few cats that i'm not sure about :-).

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curious98 asked on 12/15/05 - Some good news for a change (at least for me)


Hey folks, here I’m, back to being a pain in your necks.
My doctor has decided that for my 81 birthday (today, btw), it would be a good idea to tell me that, after all the analyses, gammagraphies, nuclear medicine and what have you, that I have been undergoing lately, the final diagnosis is that I will probably keep on growing in wisdom and science for a few more years.
So I’m unpacking (at least for the time being, for one never knows when the last train is going to leave) while getting ready to debate with all of you any subject you care about.

When I was 15, I always thought of the new millennium as something I would not be able to see at all, full of wonders and people traveling to the remotest planets. Well, indeed here I’m. Wonders, we do have a few, though traveling in outer space is not yet very popular!
But in other aspects, ethics mostly, we have not really advanced much. In fact, I think we have gone backwards…

However, the Sun still shines and the birds sing for all those who really want to acknowledge those facts and thank God for them (I do) and some of us still have hopes that there will come a day when things will be different and we shall really be holding hands in a big circle encircling the whole world…

So, I take this opportunity to sincerely wish you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year 2006!

Claude (aka Curious98)

Laura answered on 12/15/05:

81!!! You are old enough now that you can act like a kid again and get away with it! God bless and have a very happy birthday Claude..Laura

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excon asked on 12/15/05 - Money


Hey Christians:

I've got a great idea. This should work well for you. On our money, how about we change "In God We Trust", to "In Intelligence We Trust"? It would work for me too.

excon

Laura answered on 12/15/05:

LOL! Since I don't have alot of faith in "man's" intelligence, i'm not sure if I could trust the source of the money. But then again, money is money..The Bible says that the day will come when gold and money will be worthless and that a loaf of bread will be much more valuable.. Perhaps we should put "In God we trust" on the bread bags!

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paraclete asked on 12/14/05 - Was the night before christmas

'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck...
How to live in a world that's politically correct?
His workers no longer would answer to "Elves",
"Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves.
And labor conditions at the north pole
Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul.

Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety,
Released to the wilds by the Humane Society.
And equal employment had made it quite clear
That Santa had better not use just reindeer.
So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid,
Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid!
The runners had been removed from his sleigh;
The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A.

And people had started to call for the cops
When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops.
Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened.
His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened."
And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows,
Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose
And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation,
Demanding millions in over-due compensation.

So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife,
Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life,
Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz,
Demanding from now on her title was Ms.
And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion
That making a choice could cause so much commotion.

Nothing of leather, nothing of fur,
Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her.
Nothing that might be construed to pollute.
Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot.
Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise.
Nothing for just girls. Or just for the boys.
Nothing that claimed to be gender specific.
Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific.
No candy or sweets...they were bad for the tooth.
Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth.

And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden,
Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden.
For they raised the hackles of those psychological
Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological.
No baseball, no football...someone could get hurt;
Besides, playing sports exposed kids to dirt.
Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe;
And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away.

So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed;
He just could not figure out what to do next.
He tried to be merry, tried to be gay,
But you've got to be careful with that word today.
His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground;
Nothing fully acceptable was to be found.

Something special was needed, a gift that he might
Give to all without angering the left or the right.
A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision,
Each group of people, every religion;
Every ethnicity, every hue,
Everyone, everywhere...even you.
So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth...
"May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth."

To which I will add Happy Christmas

Laura answered on 12/14/05:

Paraclete....Peace on earth surely is the most important thing on earth today... P.S. I like unions.. They have supported us over the years.. Granted, they may not be of much help now the my hubby is losing his job of 27 years though he was protected by the union for all these years.. His job is going to India... They make 1/5 of what my husband made.. I guess his employer can live with that here in the ole U.S. of A. !!!!

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revdauphinee asked on 12/14/05 - good for mc Donnalds

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Everyone celebrates religion and holidays in their own individual ways, but currently there are questions about whether the two should be more connected. One of the latest places involved in the controversy is a McDonald's restaurant in Raleigh.
The sign at McDonald's on the corner of Falls of Neuse and Spring Forest Road reads: "Merry Christmas, Jesus is the Reason for the Season." It is a holiday message that Amanda Alpert thinks comes on a little too strongly.
"It offends me because it specifically talks about Jesus, Merry Christmas. It doesn't give credit to anyone else," Alpert said. (who else can claim credit?)

Alpert called the McDonald's corporate office in Atlanta and requested that the sign be changed to the politically correct Happy Holidays. The response was the owner has the right to do what she wants with the sign.
"I care because I'm Jewish, and the reason for the season is upsetting to me," Alpert said.(saying happy chanuka dosent upset me why should she be upset)

None of the drivers WRAL spoke to were offended by the sign.

"I've always known it to be Merry Christmas, and it is Jesus' birthday," said Tom David of Smithfield.

It's a debate that's struck a chord nationally and locally. The White House Christmas card surprised some with its "Happy Holiday Season" message. A proposed nativity scene in Raleigh recently drew a crowd at council chambers.
McDonald's managers say the sign has been good for business. They say church groups have stopped by to eat, and some people who usually don't eat food from McDonald's have stopped by because of the sign. The store's owner did not return WRAL's calls.



Laura answered on 12/14/05:

GOOD for the employees of that McDonalds!!! Good for business or not.. It's the truth! That is what I care about.. God bless everyone who teaches the truth and stands by it no matter what!

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deardra asked on 12/14/05 - ingraining religious beliefs in kids

I've got some questions about how christian parents feel about exposing their kids to other views.

Do you have any concerns about your kids hearing different ideas about religion including atheism?

Would you be comfortable letting someone from outside your religious belief discuss the topic of religion with your kids?

As a christian parent would you let an atheist babysit your kids?

Would it be harmful to a christian child to hear that some people think all that christian stuff is nothing more than a fairy tail?


Laura answered on 12/14/05:

My children are grown now so I don't have much say in what they hear or choose to believe. I taught them to have faith in Jesus Christ and to teach their children faith in God and in Jesus Christ. If they choose to do otherwise, there is not much I can do except to instill in my grands a love of God and the sacrafice that Jesus made in their stead.

If my kids disagree with what I do...well I don't personally care as it is my obligation to my God and my Savior. But I know that they don't object so I do what I do. The world is so different today. There is the potential that I could be arrested for what I do, if not now then shortly in the future.. I'll take that chance. What better way to die than to die for the preaching of Jesus Christ to all of the world.

Some may say that I'm paranoid.. They need to read Jesus' Words. I'm a realist.

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revdauphinee asked on 12/14/05 - todays Joke



Can We Have a Hanukkah Tree?

Admiring the Christmas trees displayed in his neighbor's windows, a child asks his father, "Daddy, can we have a Hanukkah Tree?"

"What? No, of course not." says his father.

"Why not?" asks the child again.

Bewildered, his father replies, "Because the last time we had dealings with a lighted bush we spent 40 years in the wilderness."

Laura answered on 12/14/05:

LOL!!! Where do you come up with these jokes!! Have you seen the upside down trees? Supposed to be easier to put gifts under.. I think they look kinda silly.

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kindj asked on 12/14/05 - How NOT to share your faith

There was a barber that thought that he should share his faith with his customers more than he had been doing lately. So the next morning when the sun came up and the barber got up out of bed he said, "Today I am going to witness to the first man that walks through my door."

Soon after he opened his shop the first man came in and said, "I want a shave!" The barber said, "Sure, just sit in the seat and I'll be with you in a moment." The barber went in the back and prayed a quick desperate prayer saying, "God, the first customer came in and I'm going to witness to him. So please give me the wisdom to know just the right thing to say to him. Amen."

Then quickly the barber came out with his razor knife in one hand and a Bible in the other while saying, "Good morning sir. I have a question for you..........Are you ready to die?"

Laura answered on 12/14/05:

LOL...Bet he lost some customers that day!! I remember the first time I mustered up the courage to witness to someone in public. He turned out to be a minister and invited me to his church!! I was blessed but I don't know if he was..After all, he was experienced!

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revdauphinee asked on 12/13/05 - todays joke




Christmas Eve Accident

Three men die in a car accident Christmas Eve. They all find themselves at the pearly gates waiting to enter Heaven. On entering they must present something related to or associated with Christmas.

The first man searches his pockets and finds mistletoe, so he is allowed in.

The second man presents a candy cane, so he is also allowed in.The third man pulls out a pair of stockings.

Confused at this last gesture, St. Peter asks, "How do these represent Christmas?"

"They're Carol's."

Laura answered on 12/13/05:

Cute!! Three kids sitting outside the principals office. One says "I just said the sh-- word..another says "I just said the F word.. The other one..."I just said Christmas"..:-(

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 12/11/05 - For Hank! Reincarnation!

Reincarnation is taught as a belief in Buddhism, Jainism, and Hinduism.

There are many people who believe that the earlier christians actually held the belief of reincarnation and that even Jesus himself has taught about reincarnation.

I am an open minded person and I do believe the possibilities that some form of reincarnation does exist.

Joe

Laura answered on 12/12/05:

In every point that Jesus made concerning life after death he talked about heaven or hell. Yes, Jesus taught that we would live again, but that our life would not be re-lived on this planet in a mortal human form again after death. Reincarnation the way I see it is coming back to live on this earth either as a mortal again or as an animal as some believe.. I do not believe that the Bible in any way teaches this.

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hOPE12 asked on 12/12/05 - What next?

Hello Everyone,

The other day here at the Miami Florida airport and international flight was landing when a man ran down the isle yelling he had a bomb. His wife was running behind him yelling, "please help me, my husband didn't take his medicine. He is sick, he's bi-polar."

There was two security marshalls on the plane and they told him to stop or they would shoot. The man being mentally disturped did not stop. The marshalls shot five time and the man is dead.

Was this fair? The man was mentally ill? The wife was running behind him saying he was sick. Did they need to shoot five (5) times? What is this world coming to? Will they shoot children next? Could they have handled this better?

BTW- There was no bomb or any weapons found on the man or in his bags.

What is you take on this situation. This is what is taking place now due to man's fear of man. Could the scriptures have been right?
Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 12/12/05:

How about this scenario...A man is running down the isle yelling that he has a bomb. His wife is running behind him "please help me, my husband didn't take his medicine. He is sick...The two security marshalls on the plane hesitate because of the woman's claims.....KABOOM!!! Both of them blow up the plane! In this world today unfortunately you can't take chances.

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/10/05 - If a licensed (Christian) pharmacist has the right to

"say no whenever he/she chooses -- in some cases, denying patients the ability to fill the prescriptions elsewhere," do public (degreed) librarians have the right to select and order only those books they approve of and want to appear on the library shelves?

(Isn't that censorship - abridging the rights of patrons, those people whose tax dollars fund that library? - and actually abridging the rights of anyone who comes in to use the library?)

And btw, there are throughout the world many atheist, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim and, gosh darn, liberal librarians. Do you want the aforementioned filling your library shelves only with material that is aligned with their belief systems and worldviews?

Laura answered on 12/10/05:

There was a discussion with our public libraries as to "where" certain books should be put in the library but I haven't heard that they can't order certain books.

I still think that when it comes to the abortion or the day after pill that it should be allowed to be personally given to patients by their doctors.. That would solve the whole mess. If doctors are allowed to hand out samples of prescription medication, why shouldn't they be allowed to hand out these?

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arcura asked on 12/08/05 - This is for Tex and those who like this sort of post.

A Baby's Hug
We were the only family with children in the
restaurant. I sat Erik in a highchair and noticed
everyone was quietly sitting and talking.

Suddenly, Erik squealed with glee and said, "Hi."
He pounded his fat baby hands on the high chair
tray. His eyes were crinkled in laughter and his
mouth was bared in a toothless grin, as he
wriggled and giggled with merriment.

I looked around and saw the source of his
merriment. It was a man whose pants were baggy
with a zipper at half-mast and his toes poked out
of would-be shoes. His shirt was dirty and his
hair was uncombed and unwashed. His whiskers were
too short to be called a beard and his nose was so
varicose it looked like a road map. We were too
far from him to smell, but I was sure he smelled.
His hands waved and flapped on loose wrists.

"Hi there, baby. Hi there, big boy. I see ya,
buster," the man said to Erik.
My husband and I exchanged looks, "What do we do?"

Erik continued to laugh and answer, "Hi."

Everyone in the restaurant noticed and looked at
us and then at the man. The old geezer was
creating a nuisance with my beautiful baby.

Our meal came and the man began shouting from
across the room, "Do ya patty cake? Do you know
peek-a-boo? Hey, look, he knows peek-a-boo."

Nobody thought the old man was cute. He was
obviously drunk.

My husband and I were embarrassed. We ate in
silence; all except for Erik, who was running
through his repertoire for the admiring skid row
bum, who in turn, reciprocated with his cute
comments.

We finally got through the meal and headed for the
door. My husband went to pay the check and told me
to meet him in the parking lot.

The old man sat poised between me and the door.

"Lord, just let me out of here before he speaks to
me or Erik," I prayed.

As I drew closer to the man, I turned my back
trying to sidestep him and avoid any air he might
be breathing. As I did, Erik leaned over my arm,
reaching with both arms in a baby's "pick-me-up"
position.

Before I could stop him, Erik had propelled
himself from my arms to the man's. Suddenly a very
old smelly man and a very young baby consummated
their love and kinship. Erik in an act of total
trust, love, and submission laid his tiny head
upon the man's ragged shoulder. The man's eyes
closed, and I saw tears hover beneath his lashes.
His aged hands full of grime, pain, and hard
labor, cradled my baby's bottom and stroked his
back. No two beings have ever loved so deeply for
so short a time. I stood awestruck.

The old man rocked and cradled Erik in his arms
and his eyes opened and set squarely on mine. He
said in a firm commanding voice, "You take care of
this baby." Somehow I managed, "I will," from a
throat that contained a stone.

He pried Erik from his chest, lovingly and
longingly, as though he were in pain. I received
my baby, and the man said, "God bless you, ma'am,
you've given me my Christmas gift." I said nothing
more than a muttered thanks.

With Erik in my arms, I ran for the car. My
husband was wondering why I wa s crying and holding
Erik so tightly, and why I was saying, "My God, my
God, forgive me."

I had just witnessed Christ's love shown through
the innocence of a tiny child who saw no sin, who
made no judgment; a child who saw a soul, and a
mother who saw a suit of clothes. I was a
Christian who was blind, holding a child who was
not.

I felt it was God asking, "Are you willing to
share your son for a moment when He shared His for
all eternity.

The ragged old man, unwittingly, had reminded me,
"To enter the Kingdom of God, we must become as
little children."
If this has blessed you, please bless others by
sending it on

Laura answered on 12/09/05:

While these kind of stories are mushy and needless to some, I like them. I like them because some of us have forgotten our roots. We are so hung up on presenting Christ in a certain manner that we forget that it is exactly situations like this that we see the kind of love that Jesus asks of us. The innocent non-judgemental love of a child.

We need to take a trip back to our roots, back to the first time we asked Christ into our lives and remember the awe that we felt when we realized that we had total forgiveness and acceptence. If the story is true then God sent a little bit of heaven into that mans heart for just a moment through the innocence of a child. A salve for the human heart. A lesson for the human heart.

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ETWolverine asked on 12/07/05 - Aton's rules of war:

The following is based on my understanding of comments that Aton has made over the past couple of years.

Aton's rules of war:

1) Don't attack first. In fact, don't even attack after you have been attacked. In fact, no matter what provocation there is, in the form of bombings, terrorist activities, broken UN sanctions, broken cease-fire agreements, and intelligence on enemy WMD possession and enemy intentions, you may not attack, ever, under any circumstances.

2) Any war is automatically a quagmire, no matter how much progress is made.

3) All soldiers are "terrorists". Breaking down doors to find enemies hiding among the civilian population is "terrorism". All guards of POW camps are "torturers". Forcing POWs to wear underwear on their heads or to wear women's clothing is "torture".

4) All terrorists are "insurgents". Beheadings, kidnappings, bombings of innocent civilians, using human shields, hiding in holy sanctuaries, etc. are all "insurgency".

5) All wars are America's fault. (Read: Bush's fault.) It doesn't matter is America was attacked first or what UN sanctions and cease-fire agreements have been broken and by whom.

6) All acts of terrorism, no matter how heinous and no matter where and against whom they are perpetrated are America's fault. (Again, read: Bush's fault.)

7) Any intelligence reports should be ignored. No matter what they say, about the existence of WMDs in enemy hands, they should be ignored. Bush always lies about intelligence reports, no matter their source.

8) Anyone who wishes to engage in war against anyone else must first get permission from the UN, the EU, and France. Furthermore, all of those bodies must withhold that permission no matter what provocation there is from the other side.

9) Nobody is allowed to go to war alone. All wars must be conducted with a coalition of at least 100 other countries, to be approved by the UN, the EU, France, and the Arab League. These bodies must, of course, withhold such approval.

10) No intelligence may be gathered from POWs for the purpose of conducting the war. Any attempts to gather such intelligence are "torture", no matter what methods are used. Bush is the one who ordered such torture to take place. The Geneva Conventions are not strong enough: we must always go further in protecting POWs than the Geneva Conventions require, and we must apply those newer stricter rules to those that are specifically excluded from the Geneva Conventions.

11) When searching the homes of people suspected of terrorist activities or harboring terrorists, you must always be polite, quiet, and ask permission to search the property. Any attempts to surprise and overwhelm the enemy to catch him off guard are automatically "terrorism" because they might scare children.

12) When dropping bombs on enemies, you must first go into enemy territory and evacuate any innocent bystanders. The same should be done with those who are only harboring terrorists... excuse me, "insurgents", since they are not really terr... er, "insurgents" themselves. People who are only bombmakers rather than bomb throwers are a grey area, and attempts should be made to either capture or evacuate them before any bombing activities as well.

13) POWs must be given their own Qurans, even if your country has a policy of sepparation of Church and State. Of course, no such rule exists for Bibles, only Qurans.

14) POWs must be treated as hotel guests rather than prisoners. This means that they must receive food prepared according to their religious requirements by a cordon bleu chef, preferably one trained in France. They must be given comfortable beds with warm quilts and fancy sheets, and a full 8 hours per night of sleep. They must also be given comfortable, fashionable clothing. Cells.. er, bedrooms must be well-heated, and artfully decorated. In fact, they must be treated in every way on an order of magnitude better than US soldiers... sorry "terrorists".

15) Politicians MUST at all opportunities call for the immediate withdrawal of all troops from the theater of operations in front of as many cameras as possible, no matter what such negative media attention might do to the morale of the troops. The troops must be accused, as publicly as possible, of every violation of the rules of war, from terrorism to torture, to rape, to theft of private or friendly government property, no matter how true or false such accusations are, and the top levels of government must be blamed for those violations.

16) Retreat as soon as possible.

Elliot

Laura answered on 12/07/05:

Surely there are some wars that have taken place in the world that ATON would agree were neccesary. It is obvious that he has disagreed with this recent war against Iraq. But I don't recall him boo hooing the war against Bin-laden or terrorism in general. I don't recall him saying he was against WW1 or 2.

I haven't read alot of his views but I do agree with one. Retreat as soon as possible...but surely not until the job is done when the war was justified.

Perhaps the war in Iraq was wrong. I think that most of us have doubts about it, But either way I think that ATON may not support the war but he supports the troops and wishes them well and most importantly safety.

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ATON2 asked on 12/07/05 - Anyone care to take a stab at 'explaining' this quote from Simone Weil???

"Christ likes us to prefer truth to him, because, being Christ, he is truth. If one turns aside from him to go to the truth, one will not go far before falling into his arms."

I promise not to comment on your responses, [as difficult as that may be :) :)] only rate them as they relate to the question? I reserve the right to respond to any clarifying question you may ask :)

To obiviate the necessity for any of you to post long biographical cut and pastes I append the following:

Weil was a French philospher and mystic, of Jewish ancestry, who claimed a mystical experience of Jesus, but who refused to be baptized into any Christian denomination.

Laura answered on 12/07/05:

The most simple deduction to this reasoning would most likely be that since Jesus said that He is the way, the truth and the life and that no man comes to the Father except by Him, then anyone who knows that excerpt from the scriptures is forced back to it in their search for truth. It's hard to discount such a bold and to the point statement such as this one that Jesus made...and a hard one to forget. IMHO

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Ccl471 asked on 12/05/05 - Giving an Offering by Check

My dad says that if you are giving an offering at church by check, you have to put it in an envelope. He makes it sound like if you just put the check into the offering basket without putting it in an envelope first, it is a serious breach of etiquette.

Well, during the collection of tithes and offerings at my church, the pastor says if you want to receive a record of your offering for the purpose of getting a tax deduction, to raise your hand and an usher will hand you an offering envelope.

Well, I don't file taxes because I am on disability and like the income of seniors on Social Security, that income is not taxable.

So if I just drop my check into the offering basket, is that all right, or should I raise my hand in order to get an offering envelope?



Many thanks,

C.L.

Laura answered on 12/05/05:

I don't understand that because on the outside of the envelope it usually has a place for you to put your name and the amount of the offering anyway so what is the difference.. I was at one church awhile back and I likeed the system they had. At the back of the church were two boxes. You could put your offering there either coming in or leaving the church. They didn't have a time of offering during the service.. No one felt pressured that way. I liked it. But I didn't like the service. The preacher hardly talked and we saw video's and stuff like that on a big screen almost the whole service.. Plus people were eating donuts and drinking soft drinks like they were anywhere but church.. Maybe I'm just a fuddy duddy.

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arcura asked on 12/03/05 - Are you ready to take a positive stand for Christmas?

Christmas Making a Comeback
Annual Battle Starts With Victories

WASHINTON, D.C., DEC. 3, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Christmas, it seems, is no longer a taboo word. This Tuesday, the Washington Times reported that U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert told federal officials that the tree on the West Lawn of the Capitol will be renamed the "Capitol Christmas Tree." In recent years it has gone under the name of the "Holiday Tree."

Calling a Christmas tree a Christmas tree has become a hot issue in many communities, the article noted. In Boston last week the city's Web site referred to a tree erected on Boston Common as a "holiday tree." After protests and threatened lawsuits, Mayor Thomas Menino announced it would be referred to as a Christmas tree, a change also implemented on the city's Web site.

The regular battle over Christmas decorations, carols and terminology started in early November, in a number of countries. The controversy got off to a start in the United States when Wal-Mart defended its practice of greeting people with "Happy Holidays" instead of "Happy Christmas." The company came in for strong criticism from Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.

In a press release dated Nov. 9 Donohue also criticized a Wal-Mart statement which claimed that Christmas was a composite of ancient traditions, made up of elements such as Siberian shamanism, Celt and Goth customs, and the worship of Baal. Donohue called for a boycott of the retail giant.

The dispute quickly finished. Donohue announced two days later that Wal-Mart was withdrawing its statement about the origins of Christmas, as well as making some changes to its Web site. The company will, however, maintain the "Happy Holidays" greetings.

In Australia, defenders of Christmas successfully reversed last year's defeats. Victoria state Premier Steve Bracks gave his official backing for public schools to have Nativity scenes, carols and other celebrations, the Herald Sun reported Nov. 21. The newspaper noted that last year several schools banned Nativity scenes and carol singing for fear of offending non-Christian children.

PC gone crazy

"Those who don't wish to participate don't have to, and those who wish to celebrate in their own way can do so," said Bracks. He added: "Even those from other faiths, of course, accept Christian celebrations and the government is keen to ensure there are no bans on any of these sorts of activities."

The Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne's vicar general, Monsignor Les Tomlinson, said bans on Nativity scenes and Christian themes were political correctness gone crazy, reported the Herald Sun.

And in Sydney, the Lord Mayor, Clover Moore, announced a stronger Christian message in this year's celebrations, the Sydney Morning Herald reported Nov. 24. Last year's efforts were heavily criticized for being both low-key and not Christian enough, the paper said.

For its part the Archdiocese of Adelaide organized a ceremony to bless figures destined for Nativity scenes, noted a press release Nov. 27. Archbishop Philip Wilson is importing the custom started by Pope John Paul II in Rome. The Holy Father used to invite Italian children to bring the figures from their Nativity scenes for a special blessing. Since 2003, the special blessing has been held in Adelaide on the first Sunday of Advent.

"This is a wonderful tradition," said Archbishop Wilson, "reminding children and parents during the hectic Christmas period of the significant message of hope, peace, tolerance and forgiveness in the story of God incarnate in a baby born to a poor couple sheltering in a stable."

Guilty feelings?

Conflicts over Christmas celebrations are a theme of a recently published book. In "The War on Christmas," published by Sentinel, journalist John Gibson describes how restrictions on Christmas have increased in the United States, in spite of the fact that the population is overwhelmingly Christian.

In schools Christmas trees are now commonly referred to as friendship trees, giving trees, or holiday trees. Children cannot hold Christmas parties, but instead have winter parties. Some schools, Gibson relates, have even banned the traditional colors of red and green in their zeal to change Christmas into a winter celebration.

According to Gibson the majority of those in the forefront of banning Christmas are "liberal guilt-wracked Christians," aided by assorted secularists, humanists and cultural relativists. And organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) provide the legal back-up.

Often local officials will receive threatening letters objecting to any public display of Christmas. Faced with high legal costs if a court action results, school and municipal authorities are quick to comply, banishing any mention of Christmas.

Gibson argues that the liberal mentality that seeks to eliminate Christmas regards religion as a completely personal activity that should be rigidly confined to private practice. But, curiously, it is only Christianity that is the target. Celebrations of Jewish, Hindu or Muslim feasts are not regarded as a threat, but as a welcome sign of cultural diversity. By contrast, any public display of Christian symbols or feasts is held to be culpable of excluding other groups, or imposing beliefs.

The book gives ample space to a number of examples where Christmas symbols have been eliminated. In Covington, Georgia, in 2000 the school board was prevented from putting the word "Christmas" in the calendar, to identify the vacation period.

ACLU lawyer Craig Goodmark argued that the use of "Christmas" in the calendar to describe the December vacation would be unconstitutional and conveyed a hostile message to non-Christian families.

Seeing red

The following year, in the Texas town of Plano, the elementary schools set about banning any possible Christmas symbols. The December holidays had already been deprived of their title of Christmas holidays, and the Christmas party renamed as a winter party. In 2001 school authorities prohibited students from writing "Merry Christmas" on the cards they gave to fellow students. And for the winter party the cups, plates and napkins could not use the red and green colors, as they were deemed to be Christmas symbols.

Last December the Oklahoma town of Mustang saw a dispute over the content of the Christmas pageant at the local elementary school. For the last two decades the school had celebrated a pageant that included a Nativity scene, and also references to Kwanzaa (an African-American cultural festival) and Hanukkah (the Jewish Feast of Lights).

But fears over possible legal action were raised. As a result, the superintendent of schools, Karl Springer, gave the order to remove the Nativity scene from the pageant, but the other, non-Christian, religious elements were allowed to remain.

Gibson states that underneath the annual tussles over Christmas lurks a war against Christians. "It's open season on the constitutional rights of Christians," he writes.

Defenders of the war on Christmas contend they are upholding the U.S. Constitution. This is incorrect, Gibson maintains, as what they are seeking to impose goes far beyond what the Supreme Court has determined.

The Supreme Court, in fact, has never declared that a Christmas tree is unconstitutional or that the singing of carols should be prohibited. Likewise, it has never said that using the word "Christmas" on a public document is unconstitutional. Still, campaigners regularly declare these symbols should be banned because they violate the separation of church and state.

The book concludes by noting how a reaction to the anti-Christian campaigns is now under way. An early gift for fans of Christmas.

Laura answered on 12/03/05:

Good God Almighty!! All we really ask for is two days a year to celebrate what we hold near and dear.. Easter...the death and ressurection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and Christmas..An honor of the birthday of our Lord and Savior.. Though it's not the exact day of His birth..EVERYONE knows that!!! It is a day chosen to honor His birth.. Let us have these days... Do what you like with the rest..you..you..secular ungodly world...but let us have our days!!! God bless those who believe...And may God bless even more those who don't...so that in doing so they may come to believe in the Holy One...The Son of the Everlasting God!!!!!!!

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Liz22 asked on 12/03/05 - Are Politics Taking sides with Christianity?

Did Jesus once say’ Pay our tax’s Mt 22:17 Tell us therefore, what thickest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mt 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, why make ye trial of me, ye hypocrites
Show me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a denarius’s and he saith unto them, whose is this image and superscription Mt 22:21 they say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesars; and unto God the things that are God’s.
So my question is why doesn't the Church I use to go to never have to pay their Tax’s?
Would not paying unto the Government be against the Law of Jesus?
Thank you,

Laura answered on 12/03/05:

I don't know about the rest of the world but churches in the U.S. are considered charities because they collect money to pay bills, to support missions, to send out the message of Jesus and to pay their clergy so that they can live etc. Technically they are not supposed to collect money for personal gain though we all know that some obviously skirt their way around that.. But if the church is doing what it is supposed to be doing, I personally don't feel that being excempt from taxes is against the law of Jesus. The people who attend the church continue to pay taxes for everything from their homes to their food. And in reality the "church" is the body of believers in Jesus Christ. We pay our taxes.

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paraclete asked on 12/02/05 - it's so hard to get a liberal education these days

University cancels creationism class

Friday, December 2, 2005 Posted: 1509 GMT (2309 HKT)

TOPEKA, Kansas (AP) -- A University of Kansas course devoted to debunking creationism and intelligent design has been canceled after the professor who planned to teach it caused a furor by sending an e-mail mocking Christian fundamentalists.

Twenty-five students had enrolled in the course, originally called "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and Other Religious Mythologies," which had been scheduled for the spring.

Critics of intelligent design say it is merely creationism -- a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation -- camouflaged in scientific language.

Professor Paul Mirecki, chairman of religious studies, canceled the class Wednesday, the university said.

Mirecki recently sent an e-mail to members of a student organization in which he referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course depicting intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face."

He later apologized, and did so again Thursday in a statement issued by the university.

"I made a mistake in not leading by example, in this student organization e-mail forum, the importance of discussing differing viewpoints in a civil and respectful manner," he said.

Chancellor Robert Hemenway said Mirecki's comments were "repugnant and vile."

"It misrepresents everything the university is to stand for," Hemenway said.

The class was added to the curriculum after the Kansas Board of Education decided recently to include more criticism of evolution in science standards for public school students.

State Sen. Kay O'Connor, a Mirecki critic, said the university did the right thing.

"I'm glad they decided to listen to the public. The public response was so negative because of what seemed to be so hateful coming from the KU professor," said O'Connor, a Republican. "I am critical of his hatefulness toward Christians."

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press.

Laura answered on 12/02/05:

The title of the course was offensive to me!! Why should creationism be considered a myth when evolution is not any better proven..no matter that some evolutionists might say... Good!! Glad it was cancelled!!!

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Tex78 asked on 12/02/05 - Your Birthday


Dear Lord Jesus,
as the time approaches, once again, to celebrate your birthday. Some will gather once again in your house to worship.

They will feel much love. Some will gather at the homes of friends and family, around cozy fireplaces. Some will eat a little too much. They will buy each other many gifts, which are not needed. Some will sing praise songs to you and they will feel much love. All will be filled physically, spiritually, or both.

But sadly, many will not gather in your house, to honor and worship you, nor will they gather with family. For they have no family. They will not eat too much, and some will not eat at all. They will not buy things they do not need, or even those they do need.

Some will not feel warmth, for they will have no fire. They will not feel love, for they have no family or friends to love them. Dear Lord Jesus, how do I convince them that they have you, and that you love them so much?

Yes Lord, I know that you will be there waiting, and that you love them anyway. Amen.
Thank you Father, for
Your revelations


Laura answered on 12/02/05:

:-( Makes one truly think of the blessings that one has.. Merry Christimas to all...and to all...peace and fulfillment!!! (Those who can..can help with that..Isn't that the message of Christ after all?!!)

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Choux asked on 12/02/05 - Second Coming of Jesus

"Taking the Bible literally makes no sense to moderate and liberal Christians, and one of the most urgent tenets of literalism, that Jesus will soon return to Earth to render judgment and save the righteous, seems like a fantasy. Secular society has no need for Jesus to return. It leaves each citizen to privately choose a religion, or not to choose one, and all other maters fall outside the realm of faith.

So it came as a shock to secular society when millions of people couldn't take their minds off the return of Jesus, so much so that Judgment Day colors everything else they think about--family, relationships, morals, business, politics. Speaking for myself, I came to terms with this issue in the following way:
We are indeed waiting for the return of Jesus, and in this "we" I include those non-Christians who want to live in a tolerant, compassionate relationship with everyone. But if Jesus returns, there are three choices of who he will be.

The first Jesus was historical, a rabbi living in first-century Palestine whose life profoundly changed religious belief in the West. The second Jesus is the core of a religion, which has its particular dogmas, rituals, priests, churches, and scriptures. These two Jesuses are undeniably real, but the second one--the Jesus of organized religion--has been subject to human whim and change. Right now, if you are not a fundamentalist, he seems to have been hijacked in the service of intolerance, bigotry, and war. A religion that began in the name of love has reached almost its exact opposite--not for the first time, of course.

The third Jesus is not rigidly sectarian. He falls into the world tradition of spirituality. This Jesus speaks for peace and love; his morality includes all peoples; his Father is a universal deity. I was well acquainted with the third Jesus as a child in India. I could love and revere him. It never occurred to me that he would ever become an enemy. This Jesus doesn't speak of non-Christians as pagans. He raises human nature to its highest ideal, along with the saints and sages who have guided humanity for centuries.

I don't think that well-intentioned fundamentalists mean to pervert the third Jesus; I suspect they've never heard of him. He has one great disadvantage, however. You can't own him. You can't say "he's all mine and nobody else's." The third Jesus won't work if you need to justify a war, if you need evil enemies, or you want to brand "them" as godless.

Sadly, many fundamentalists need Jesus for all these purposes. So the third Jesus might not return to them, but if Christianity is to survive among moderate and liberal believers, who used to be the mainstream of the religion, ****won't it take the return of the third Jesus****? The first one is long deceased, the second has fallen prey to politics and narrow-mindedness. What alternative is there? Loss of faith and a slide into deeper and deeper meaninglessness. that would be a terrible fate for all of us, not just the Christians.""-Deepak Chopra asterisks mine.


I AM INTERESTED IN THOUGHTFUL RESPONSES TO THE POINTS MR CHOPRA MAKES IN THIS ESSAY.

I AM SPECIALLY INTERESTED IN HOW HE POINTS OUT THE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS ALIENATE MODERATE AND LIBERAL CHRISTIANS AND HOW THAT WEAKENS CHRISTIANITY.

ALSO, COMMENTS ABOUT THE THREE PERCEPTIONS OF JESUS. AND CONCLUSIONS CHOPRA DRAWS.

OTHER COMMENTS FROM YOUR WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE.

Thanks in advance.

Laura answered on 12/02/05:

Gosh Choux..If I believe the words of Jesus in the four gospels, then I have to believe that He is the truth, the way, and the life and that no one comes to the Father except by Him (Jesus)..So this I say: Oh Father God...I believe..Help my unbelief!!! I believe deep in my heart that those who believe but have doubts about certain things will be honered by God. We are not perfect human beings (yet!!) At least that is my hope..Hope in Christ. God bless. Laura

I think that covers just about every question you have asked. If not, I am not offended to know it.

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Choux asked on 12/02/05 - US Postal Service

In the mail today, I received an order-by-mail form for "Holiday Stamps".

The choices are...madonna and child, gingerbread men, hannkah, Santa Clause, EID(?), Kwanzaa. Three, I think, are from the Christian tradition.

Are any of you up in arms and hopping made over this??
Is this of the least bit importance at all?

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Laura answered on 12/02/05:

Don't get mad..Get glad!! I'm glad others are recognized. I just hope they continue to recognize what I hold as sacred.

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arcura asked on 12/01/05 - Here's that politcal vs moral issue again by a different column writer.

Thursday, December 1, 2005
ELIZABETH HOVDE for The Columbian
Conservatives and Republicans are anti-abortion while Democrats and liberals are for abortion, right?
This conventional wisdom has not come about haphazardly. If you ask people why they identify with one party or the other, abortion (or "women's rights," as liberals prefer to call the issue) is usually at the top of the list. In fact, sometimes abortion is the sole issue people use to determine their party preference, however faulty that might be.
That's probably because abortion is a topic people get passionate about as early as middle or high school long before they have opinions about taxes, Social Security, welfare or growth management.
As teens turn into legal voters, their thoughts about abortion drive them straight into a Democratic or Republican tent, where they stay put for years, however awkward the fit.
So passionate are people about abortion that a lot of voters hold their noses when it comes to a politician's other beliefs, so long as he or she votes their way on abortion issues. Given how little so many elected positions have to do with laws surrounding abortion, "abortion voting," as I call it, can be unreliable and even comical especially for positions at city and county levels of government.
But just as Republicans are tired of Democrats thinking they own issues that concern the poor or minorities, some Democrats are tired of Republicans thinking they own morality issues, such as abortion.
Democrats for Life of America is a refreshing break from the conventional wisdom, or should I say conventional assumption, when it comes to abortion. The group is reminding people that not all Democrats are pro-choice. Some members wear buttons that say, ൳% of Democrats can't be wrong," referring to a December 2004 Zogby poll that found 43 percent of Democrats agreed with the statement that abortion "destroys a human life and is manslaughter."
Strength in numbers
Forty-three percent. Combine that with the majority of Republicans who oppose liberal abortion laws and we just might get somewhere on common-sense approaches to abortion, such as parental-notification laws and bans on partial-birth abortions.
Democrats for Life share those goals and its overriding agenda is to make abortion rare. That's an objective mainstream Democrats give lip service to but little else. Maybe Democrats for Life can change that.
The national organization now has 41 state chapters. The one in Washington meets monthly in the Seattle area (visit washington.democratsforlife.org for more information). And the Oregon chapter just formed this summer. Visit oregon.democratsforlife.org.
Democrats for Life offers more than the group's "Just another pro-life Democrat" T-shirt and bumper sticker to its contributors. The group has pitched a multi-point plan to reduce abortions by 95 percent in the next 10 years. It calls the plan the ට-10 Initiative," and a handful of pro-life, Democratic House members are on board. Read more about that at www.democratsforlife.org.
In an April press release from DFLA, former congressman and 9/11 commissioner Tim Roemer said of the 95-10 Initiative and abortion in general, "Our party has made more progress on this issue in the last three months than we have in the last 10 years."
I don't agree with some of DFLA's policy proposals, such as requiring insurance coverage of contraceptives or banning pregnancy as a pre-existing condition in the health care industry. Several of the policy changes smack of big government solutions to problems only individuals themselves can solve.
But DFLA is on the right track with its suggestion to make adoption tax credits permanent as well as its idea to start a public awareness program for connecting adoption centers and women who are considering carrying their children to term.
At the very least, Democrats for Life, much like the Log Cabin Republicans and other groups that swim against their party's tide, is making people rethink their allegiances to parties and putting principles back in focus. That's progress no matter the ideology.
Elizabeth Hovde's column appears on the Other Opinions page each Thursday. Reach her at ehovde@earthlink.net.

Laura answered on 12/02/05:

Why can't there be a policital party that doesn't make you choose your fights? While I am pro life and happen to be a Republican, there are many Democrat views that I hold to as well. Perhaps it's time that "party lines" be disolved.

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excon asked on 12/02/05 - Christmas


Hello my Christian friends:

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

You can say it to me, and I won't be offended. Wish me a Happy Chanuka, a great life, a good dinner, whatever. I'll appreciate it all.

excon

Laura answered on 12/02/05:

Thank you excon..And a "Happy Holidays" to you as well. P.S. Hoping you have many good dinners this Christmas/Chanuka/Kwansa/etc season. I feel the same way, Though it's Christmas for me and mine I respect everyone's right to celebrate..or not..in their own way. Laura

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Choux asked on 12/01/05 - Stunning Alzheimer's Breakthough


Study: Is Alzheimer's a Type of Diabetes?

"In a stunning research development, scientists from Brown University Medical School have announced that Alzheimer's disease may be a form of diabetes. The big clue? Insulin production in the brain decreases as the disease progresses, reports HealthDay News.

"Insulin disappears early and dramatically in Alzheimer's disease," senior researcher Suzanne M. de la Monte said in a prepared statement. "And many of the unexplained features of Alzheimer's, such as cell death and tangles in the brain, appear to be linked to abnormalities in insulin signaling. This demonstrates that the disease is most likely a neuroendocrine disorder or another type of diabetes."

It's only recently that doctors even knew the brain produced insulin. Now de la Monte's team has figured out that the brain levels of insulin fall dramatically during the early stages of Alzheimer's and then continue to drop as the disease becomes more severe--all of which may mean it's a different form of diabetes. HealthDay News reports that low levels of acetylcholine, which is a symptom of Alzheimer's, are also linked to low levels of insulin. "In the most advanced stage of Alzheimer's, insulin receptors were nearly 80 percent lower than in a normal brain," de la Monte said.

"We're able to show that insulin impairment happens early in the disease," de la Monte said. "We're able to show it's linked to major neurotransmitters responsible for cognition. We're able to show it's linked to poor energy metabolism, and it's linked to abnormalities that contribute to the tangles characteristic of advanced Alzheimer's disease. This work ties several concepts together and demonstrates that Alzheimer's disease is quite possibly a Type 3 diabetes," she said. The study findings were published in the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease." -News Story on my ISP Home Page.

I think this is going to be it---the breakthrough needed against a very nasty disease.

Comments?

Laura answered on 12/01/05:

I know from personal experience (my late mother and my mother in law) that within 5 years of being diagnosed with diabetes they both suffered from effects in their mind that lead to forgetfullness, confusion, etc that goes along with the first stages of Alzheimer's disease. Toward the end of my mom's life she was terribly disoriented and my mother in law is getting worse and worse all the time. So this post makes sence to me. I hope they make the link and get a breakthrough that will help many people.

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/01/05 - Homeless People.........................

Our library homeless man (Jerry) tells me that every now and then he will be offered a hot meal or even a night's shelter at the local motel, but invariably the person offering this tells him that he must first attend church with the giver.

Is this how Christians should give to the homeless - with strings attached?

Laura answered on 12/01/05:

No. An offer of prayer or an invite to the church maybe, but certainly not a "must"..

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Choux asked on 11/30/05 - Resuming God Love

I'm going to take God back into my life and enjoy the pleasure of knowing God. God is a mystery....I shouldn't let that bother me when loving God is such a pleasure.

Shocking news of the day!!

Mary Sue

Laura answered on 11/30/05:

Congratulations! May the road with Him be an adventure. God bless!

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 11/30/05 - Board name change?

Do you think the time has come to change the name of this board to:
The I can't think of anything interesting to say, so I'll paste some my net browsings board?

Laura answered on 11/30/05:

:-) Pete, hardly anyone goes to any of the other boards. We KNOW when we post here experts will answer. That's about all I can say about it. It's not that annoying is it??

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HANK1 asked on 11/30/05 - COUNTING $$$:



I've asked several young check-out clerks at a local Super Market to manually count my change back to me after adding up my purchases. None could. Back to the computer they went.

Why can't some of our young people count change?

HANK

Laura answered on 11/30/05:

Because of the computer Hank. :-) In school (at least here in my area) they teach the kids to count change in the elementry years but as they get older they switch to calculators and computers. I guess it's just easier. But it's not neccesarily better for thier young minds.

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/29/05 - I'm still stuck on this one..............

The University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire (UWEC), in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, has banned resident assistants (RAs) from leading Bible studies in their own dormitories. The university claims the ban is necessary because some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable."

As I understand it --

Religious study is not forbidden in the dorms.

It is forbidden only if an RA is the leader of the study group.

RAs can belong to any religious study group, as long as they don't lead it.

Religious groups can meet in the dorm hallway, activities room, or in a student's room.

No religious rights are being taken away.

Please explain if I am incorrect.

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

Okay...So now I'm confused now more than ever.. Usually it's "public" areas where they don't want us professing our faith or talking about it.. Now in college dorms it's "private" areas where we are not allowed to talk about it. OK. Somebody needs to make up thier minds.

If this were second grade I could understand.. But it's grown up college students who are adults and should have the right to talk about anything they want in their "private" space.. They invite anyone who wants to attend and those who want to do..and those who don't want to don't...

Something is terribly wrong here!!!!

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sapphire630 asked on 11/29/05 - things posted here can be closer to home than you think

This morning I was with the Moon detectives and asked them why the channel 4 news was there at my neighbors house. They said, "there was an incident" and left it at that. I just looked up one of the sites that Tomder has posted in the past to see what all they had for news today and here is my neighbor and the incident.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/5426229/detail.html

Mom Allegedly Spikes Mac & Cheese With Bleach

POSTED: 10:59 am EST November 29, 2005

CORAOPOLIS, Pa. -- A mother has been charged with trying to poison her adult daughter and her daughter's family after allegedly pouring bleach into their macaroni and cheese.
Nancy O'Donnell, 56, of Moon Township, Pa., was charged with four counts each of aggravated assault and recklessly endangering another person after the reported incident Saturday night, police said.
O'Donnell's adult daughter, Victoria Lynn O'Donnell, 24, was preparing dinner around 6:30 p.m. for her live-in boyfriend, Jamal Scott, 30, and their 6-year-old son and 2-year-old daughter. The four share a home with Nancy O'Donnell.
Victoria O'Donnell went upstairs while the food was cooking, and police said that when she came back downstairs, she could smell bleach in the food. She tried the macaroni and cheese and immediately spit it out after tasting the bleach, police said.
No one else tasted the food.
Victoria O'Donnell then confronted her mother about the allegedly tainted dinner. According to court records, Nancy O'Donnell said she wanted to sicken her daughter because "you don't deserve those children."
Police reported a strong odor of bleach when they arrived to investigate. Nancy O'Donnell later denied pouring bleach into the pasta, police said.
Nancy O'Donnell is being held in the Allegheny County Jail on $25,000 bond. A judge ordered that she receive a mental health evaluation.

And to think, a couple weeks ago, one of my other neighbors told the mother who put the bleach in the food "why don't you move in with Linda" when she
said she that she didn't want to live with her daughter any more!

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

After what we've been through as well as what is generally going on in the world today....It doesn't suprise me a bit, sadly..Isn't that sad that people are not suprised by what others do these days?? I'm just glad that you are safe and sound. Of course I'm glad that this family was spared the wrath of this obviously ill grandma.

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Tex78 asked on 11/29/05 - Who believes that Jesus is God, or ever claimed to be God?

I hear some saying that Jesus is not a God. I just want to clear that up. No where does it say that Jesus is God. He is the God the Son. Which is clearly meant, He is the Son of God. It like saying, if your name is Smith, your Father is Smith, and you are the Son of Smith. I don't see how that could be misunderstood. When Jesus says, that He and the Father are one. He does not mean that they are the same. He is saying that what ever He says, does, or thinks, it is what the Father says, does, or thinks.
It is like when you and your spouse were married, you became one, or as one..

Here is a scripture, which will explain it very clearly that Jesus was not God.

1Corinthians 15:24-28
24. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26. The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27. For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
28. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Love in Jesus' name. M.L.

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

Jesus may never have come right out and said that He was God but He sure implied it. He said that He and His father were one. He said that He was with God before the beginning of time. He said that He had the same power and status as God. He had the power to forgive sin which the Jews knew only God had the power to do. At least one of his diciples called him "My Lord and my God" and He didn't not rebuke it or deny it.

This is why most traditional Christian religions agree with the concept of the Trinity.. There is much (as arcura obviously pointed out :-) ) to support it. If it's wrong, we will find out soon enough.

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revdauphinee asked on 11/29/05 - Lost in the Service

Lost in the Service

One Sunday morning, the pastor noticed little Johnny standing in the foyer of the church, looking at a large plaque that hung there. After the young man of seven had stood there for some time, the pastor walked up beside him and said quietly,

"Good morning, son."

"Good morning, Pastor," replied the youngster, not taking his eyes off the plaque. "Can I ask you, Sir, what is this for? Why are all these names listed on here?"

"Well, son, these are all the people who have died in the service," replied the pastor. Soberly, they stood together, staring up at the large plaque.

Little Johnny's voice barely broke the silence when he asked quietly, "Which one, Sir, the 8:30 or the 10:30?"

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

Cute!

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revdauphinee asked on 11/29/05 - Church membership

many folks talk about church membership as if this automatically opens the Pearly Gates to sinners. Friends, a church role is not God's book of life. Occupying a pew will not make one a child of God. A rusty wheelbarrow does not become a Cadillac by occupying space at the G. M. dealership. A woman does not become an old hen by sitting in a chicken coop. She may do a lot of cackling, but she is still a Miss-or is it Mrs., or is, it Ms. People and things, are not changed (presto) by such situations, and sinners are not saved by sitting on sanctified, foam padded pews. It takes an experience with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

Sadly alot of people do indeed feel that because they go to church on Sunday they somehow have a kind of shield around them and they can do as they please the rest of the week. It may sound bad but I don't go to church on a regular basis. Can't seem to find one that hasen't gotten almost as bad as the commercialism of Christmas has. Maybe it's just bad timing but every time I try a new church they are preaching on tithing!! Or maybe God is trying to tell me something.. What say you? :-)

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arcura asked on 11/28/05 - No religious studying in private! What's next????

Did you hear about the University of Wisconsin -- Eau Claire (UWEC) banning resident assistants (RAs) from leading Bible studies in their own dormitories
An UWEC official sent RAs a letter forbidding them from leading Bible studies because students might conclude that such RAs were not "approachable." Don't laugh. Violators, warned the letter, would be subject to disciplinary action. Of course, the letter also purported to prohibit Koran and Torah studies.
So much for freedom of religion! Students cannot study their religion even in the privacy of theie dorm rooms.
What’s next?

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

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Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005 2:17 p.m. EST
College Bans Dormitory Bible Studies


In a shameful attack on freedom of religion, the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire (UWEC) has banned resident assistants (RAs) from leading Bible studies in their own dormitories.

The university claims the ban is necessary because some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable.”

"As a state university, UWEC has no business forbidding RAs or any other students to engage in religious activities in their own rooms and on their own time,” declared David French, president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), which has written UWEC to protest the ban.

The controversy began on July 26, when UWEC Associate Director for Housing and Residence Life Deborah Newman sent a letter saying RAs could not lead Bible studies in their dorms at any time. Her reason for this was that students might not think Bible study-leading RAs were sufficiently "approachable.”


The letter was sent to RAs who were members of the Student Impact religious group and who had been leading Bible studies—not as official residence hall activities, but in their own dorm rooms and on their own time.
Newman’s letter added that Koran and Torah studies would be similarly prohibited and that RAs who did conduct a Bible study in their dorms would face "disciplinary action.”

Shocked by the ban, undergraduate RA Lance Steiger inquired further via e-mail. In a Sept. 22 reply, Newman reiterated the ban and told him, "[a]s an RA you need to be available to your residents both in reality and from their perspective.”

Steiger contacted FIRE, and on October 10, FIRE wrote UWEC Interim Chancellor Vicki Lord Larson to ask her to lift the Bible study ban.

FIRE reminded Larson of UWEC’s own acknowledgement that RAs are students first, and that "every university student at a public university such as UWEC enjoys the full panoply of First Amendment rights, including freedom of religion and freedom of expression.”

FIRE also pointed out a 2004 article in UWEC’s student newspaper in which the Office of Housing and Residence Life praised an RA who for three years in a row staged the controversial feminist play "The Vagina Monologues" as an official "residence hall activity.”
This praise came despite the RA’s acknowledgement that "with the Vagina Monologues ... she [did not have] as much time as she would have liked for her wing.” UWEC has failed to respond to FIRE’s letter.

"UWEC’s position that leading a Bible study is more likely to make students uncomfortable than leading a controversial play like 'The Vagina Monologues' simply doesn’t hold water,” noted FIRE’s French. He continued, "The First Amendment doesn’t end with a Bible study or with 'The Vagina Monologues' — it guarantees a student’s right to perform both.”

"While RAs have a responsibility to be approachable to students, this cannot extend so far as to bar their own religious or political expression,” added FIRE Director of Legal and Public Advocacy Greg Lukianoff. "No state institution has a right to demand that others not hold any beliefs or engage in any expression that might possibly be offensive.”

FIRE has expressed concern about the status of constitutional rights at UWEC before. In April, FIRE revealed that UWEC’s Student Senate had forbidden any student-organized activity that promotes a "particular ideological, religious, or partisan viewpoint” from receiving student-fee funding - a policy that directly contradicts the university’s First Amendment obligation to distribute student funds regardless of viewpoint and violates the rights of all UWEC students.

FIRE is a nonprofit educational foundation that unites civil rights and civil liberties leaders, scholars, journalists, and public intellectuals from across the political and ideological spectrum on behalf of individual rights, due process, freedom of expression, academic freedom, and rights of conscience at our nation’s colleges and universities.
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Soooo how's your vagina today??? But oh God don't talk about Jesus Christ or Allah!!! Good grief!

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paraclete asked on 11/29/05 - US actions on climate change are next to none!

What an extraordinary statement, Does this actually mean the US is doing nothing? What a great attitude from a government led by a Christian. we are next to none and yet we don't take the most basic step of lining up with the rest of the world. I think this is a bad case of not made here.

U.S. defends climate change position
Biggest global warming conference since Kyoto begins in Canada

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 Posted: 0325 GMT (1125 HKT)


MONTREAL, Canada (AP) -- U.S. officials told a U.N. conference on climate change that their government was doing more than most to protect the earth's atmosphere.

In response, leading environmental groups blasted Washington for refusing to sign the Kyoto Protocol, a global treaty that aims to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Canada opened the 10-day U.N. Climate Control Conference on Monday, with about 10,000 experts from 180 nations, to brainstorm on ways to slow the alarming effects of greenhouses gases and global warming. The conference aims to forge new agreements on cutting poisonous emissions, considered by many scientists to be the planet's most pressing environmental issue.

Dr. Harlan L. Watson, senior climate negotiator for the U.S. Department of State, said that while President George W. Bush declined to join the treaty, the U.S. leader takes global warming seriously. He noted greenhouse gas emissions had actually gone down by .8 percent under Bush.

"With regard to what the United States is doing on climate change, the actions we have taken are next to none in the world," Watson told The Associated Press on the sidelines of the conference.

He is leading a delegation of dozens of American officials at the conference and will be joined by U.S. Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky next week, when 120 government ministers arrive for the high-profile final negotiations.

Watson said the United States spends more than US$5 billion (euro4.3 billion) a year on efforts to slow the deterioration of the earth's atmosphere by supporting climate change research and technology, and that Bush had committed to cutting greenhouses gases some 18 percent by 2012.

Elizabeth May of the Sierra Club Canada, however, accused the world's biggest polluter of trying to derail the Kyoto accord.

"We have a lot of positive, constructive American engagement here in Montreal -- and none of it's from the Bush administration, which represents the single biggest threat to global progress," May said, adding that Washington had "continually tried to derail" the Kyoto process.

The United States, the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, saying it would harm the U.S. economy and is flawed by the lack of restrictions on emissions by emerging economic powers such as China and India.

In the first ever meeting of all 140 signatories of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, Canada's Environment Minister Stephane Dion is juggling the presidency of the 11th U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Control while facing the imminent collapse of his country's government.

No-confidence vote

Opposition leaders have garnered enough votes in the House of Commons to topple Prime Minister Paul Martin's minority government in a no-confidence vote Monday night, forcing him to dissolve Parliament and set a day for national elections in January. (Full story)

Though Dion would remain in office, he would also be called upon to begin campaigning for his Liberal Party and could be mightily distracted. Opening the conference, Dion vowed to stay the course and described climate change as "the greatest environment hazard" facing mankind.

"Tragic experiences in many countries over the last year have once again reminded us of the world's vulnerability to climate-related disasters and highlighted the urgent need for adaptation" to rising sea levels, glacial melting and warmer atmospheric temperatures, he said.

The Kyoto accord, negotiated in Japan's ancient capital of Kyoto, targets carbon dioxide and five other heat-trapping gases blamed for rising global temperatures that many scientists say are disrupting weather patterns.

The treaty, which went into effect in February, calls on the top 35 industrialized nations to cut emissions by 5.2 percent below their 1990 levels by 2012.

This conference will set agreements on how much more emissions should be cut after 2012, when the Kyoto Protocol expires, though signatories are already falling short of their targets.

Canada is up there with Spain, Ireland, Greece and five other nations as having the biggest increases in gas emissions. According to the United Nations, Spain is the worst, with a nearly 42 percent increase in emissions between 1990 and 2003; Canada stands at 24 percent and the United States experienced an increase of 13 percent.

The Kyoto accord was delayed by the requirement that countries accounting for 55 percent of the world's emissions must ratify it. That goal was finally reached -- nearly seven years after the pact was negotiated -- with Russia's approval last year.

The targets vary by region: The European Union initially committed to cutting emissions to 8 percent below 1990 levels; the United States agreed to a 7 percent reduction before Bush denounced the pact in 2001, saying it would cost too much and exacerbate an already bothersome energy problem for the world's largest consumer of fossil fuels.

Beyond the Kyoto deadline, the European Union appears to be taking the lead, endorsing a plan in June to bring emissions of greenhouses gases down 15 percent to 30 percent below 1990 levels by 2020.

As signatories to Kyoto's parent treaty, the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, Washington is still an active participant at the conference, even if it says it prefers investments in climate science and technology rather than mandatory emissions caps.

Many had hoped Canada would persuade its neighbor to join the Kyoto fold, though Washington no longer has that option.

"I will certainly welcome any idea that may bring the United States closer to Canada, Europe, Japan, England and other countries as partners in this convention," Dion said. "We cannot do without the Americans because they represent 25 percent of emissions, and an even greater percentage of the solution."

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

The whole issue is confusing to me.. From some of what I have read, it will cost billions upon billions of dollars to implement. Russia and a few other countries stand to gain while if the U.S. joins stands to lose substantially. Also there are no guarentees that the plan will even work. Developing countries are exempt..Do we think that they well be forever poor? The day will come when they are expending as much enery into the atmosphere to affect greenhouse gasses negatively. What then? The U.S. is hesitent to invest into something that is not proven, that will most likely not work and as usual the U.S. would be footing a huge portion of a bill that in the end could end up being a stinker.

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arcura asked on 11/28/05 - No religious studying in private! What's next????

Did you hear about the University of Wisconsin -- Eau Claire (UWEC) banning resident assistants (RAs) from leading Bible studies in their own dormitories
An UWEC official sent RAs a letter forbidding them from leading Bible studies because students might conclude that such RAs were not "approachable." Don't laugh. Violators, warned the letter, would be subject to disciplinary action. Of course, the letter also purported to prohibit Koran and Torah studies.
So much for freedom of religion! Students cannot study their religion even in the privacy of theie dorm rooms.
What’s next?

Laura answered on 11/29/05:

Similar bans have been going on in the public school system for years. What I don't understand is what the harm is in young people "ON THEIR OWN TIME" participating in Bible studies or any other religious study in a campus setting, especially one in which they are residents of the campus in the privacy of their own rooms? WHO are they hurting? Are non-believers required to attend? NO! The whole thing is just stupid.

College campuses are a kind of society. There are many people from many different backgrounds with differant social views. They talk about many diverce issues in social settings. Issues that might offend some who attend. What do those who don't want to hear a particular view do? They DON'T attend the rallies or meetings.

This is just another way for the far left to deprive believers of their rights and these colleges (along with so many others) are playing right into their hands.

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arcura asked on 11/28/05 - This has happened many times. Some fake. Some not.

Do you believe this one????????
Believers Flock to Crying Virgin Mary
By JULIET WILLIAMS, Associated Press Writer Sun Nov 27, 3:23 AM ET
Carrying rosary beads and cameras, the faithful have been coming in a steady stream to a church on the outskirts of Sacramento for a glimpse of what some are calling a miracle: A statue of the Virgin Mary they say has begun crying a substance that looks like blood.
It was first noticed more than a week ago, when a priest at the Vietnamese Catholic Martyrs Church spotted a stain on the statue's face and wiped it away. Before Mass on Nov. 20, people again noticed a reddish substance near the eyes of the white concrete statue outside the small church, said Ky Truong, 56, a parishioner.
Since then, Truong said he has been at the church day and night, so emotional he can't even work. He believes the tears are a sign.
"There's a big event in the future — earthquake, flood, a disease," Truong said. "We're very sad."
On Saturday, tables in front of the fenced-in statue were jammed with potted plants, bouquets of roses and candles. Some people prayed silently, while others sang hymns and hugged their children. An elderly woman in a wheelchair wept near the front of the crowd.
A red trail could be seen from the side of the statue's left eye to about halfway down the robe of concrete.
"I think that it's incredible. It's a miracle. Why is she doing it? Is it something bothering her?" asked Maria Vasquez, 35, who drove with her parents and three children from Stockton, about 50 miles south of Sacramento.
Thousands of such incidents are reported around the world each year, though many turn out to be hoaxes or natural phenomena.
The Diocese of Sacramento has so far not commented on the statue, and the two priests affiliated with the church did not return a telephone message Saturday.
The Rev. James Murphy, deacon of the diocese's mother church, the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament, said church leaders are always skeptical at first.
"For people individually seeing things through the eyes of faith, something like this can be meaningful. As for whether it is supernatural or a miracle, normally these incidences are not. Miracles are possible, of course," Murphy said. "The bishop is just waiting and seeing what happens. They will be moving very slowly."
But seeing the statue in person left no doubt for Martin Operario, 60, who drove about 100 miles from Hayward. He took photos to show to family and friends.
"I don't know how to express what I'm feeling," Operario said. "Since religion is the mother of believing, then I believe."
Nuns Anna Bui and Rosa Hoang, members of the Salesian Sisters of San Francisco, also made the trek Saturday. Whether the weeping statue is declared a miracle or not, they said, it is already doing good by awakening people to the faith and reminding them to pray.
"It's a call for us to change ourselves, to love one another," Hoang said.

Laura answered on 11/28/05:

Not to sound skeptical because I do believe in miracles but I would hope that tests are being done on the substance. Sometimes concrete statues contain rebar that could have been exposed to moisture and begin to rust.. water mixed with rust could "look" like blood. But we should always try to change those things that need changing in our lives and to love one another.

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hOPE12 asked on 11/28/05 - Followup on "What would be your Choice?"

Hello Experts,

My question yesterday was placed on this board to see how many of us really read what is posted and understand the questions fully. I did this because this is a board for Christian questions and when we answer questions as an expert we need to know what we are telling others. We are responsible for what we say to others in reply. I wanted to see just how many really read the posts carfully and use discernment in giving their replies. What we say in reply to other can either help them or hurt them. So we need to think about what we say.

What if my question about the two joined babies yesterday really came from a person having such a decision to make? Would your answer help them? Now think about the question I posted yesterday.
QUOTED:
(What would be your choice? hOPE12 11/27/05
Hello Everyone,

Two children are joined together at the back. The doctor offers surgery but one child must die in order to save the other. Both children have the same chances of survival but the doctor can only save one. Which one would you personally choose to save and how would you reach that choice? Remember now that both children have the same survival chance, however the doctor can only save one of them.


This question is to see how discerning you can be when reading the post put on this board.

Take care,
Hope12
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Did you discern the question?

First there are two children and the doctor offers surgery. The doctor never said the babies would die without the surgery

Then the doctor said he could only save one baby. The doctor never said that both babies could not be saved. The doctor said “he” could not save both babies only one would survive that he could save.

Then at the end of my question I state that “This question is to see how discerning you can be when reading the posts put on this board.>

There were four experts that were discerning in their comments. CeeBee, Hank, Dorothy, and drgade.

To you four experts, you show yourselves to be discerning and really reading the posts on this board. You choices were great and would have been helpful to anyone truly having a similar choice to make. This shows true concern for others and it also shows that you all take the time to give good answers. I personally thank you and if I ever need help I know where to go. :0)

Some might get angry when they read this post but that is okay because I still have been able to show that if we do not discern the question being asked we can do more harm in the replies we give. Remember how we reply to a question, can have influence on a persons choices.

There were three very good choices a parent in such a situation could make.

1)Because the doctor could only save one child, a second opinion would be in order. If they both have the same survival chances and the one doctor knows he could save one of the babies, then why not try and see if it is possible to find another doctor who could save the other child. Maybe there is a certain time needed to save each child. If the one doctor is working on one child and the other doctor working on the other child, then there is a chance both children could be saved. Remember there was nothing said about organs nor did the doctor say the other child could not be saved. He only said he could save one child and the other one would die. If there is another doctor involved in the surgery, is it not possible the child could live. So the first choice would be to ask if this would be possible, and if so find another doctor who could save the other baby.

2)There is also the possibility that the babies could live without surgery, No where did the post say that they could not. Then the reply should have been, “Does the doctor feel they could survive without the surgery?”


3)Maybe the doctor was not proficient enough at his skills to deal with this kind of surgery and at his level of skills this was all he could do. Also remember when it comes to our loved ones, never take one opinion as fact. Always get another opinion. What one cannot do, others may be able too.

When we give replies on this board to questions asked remember the same can apply if one answer is not sufficient keep searching for another. Where there is life there is always hope.

Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 11/28/05:

Your post does not make me angry.. I was making some current day assumptions so in my mind I was discerning. I "assumed" that because of modern medicine the way that it is today the delemna would have already been discussed by more than one doctor. Thus I felt that an important question was missing in your original question..What would be the fate of the children without surgery to seperate them? I thought it was reasonable to include a prognoses. We all have different ways of looking at things. It doesn't mean we are not discerning.

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hOPE12 asked on 11/27/05 - What would be your choice?

Hello Everyone,

Two children are joined together at the back. The doctor offers surgery but one child must die in order to save the other. Both children have the same chances of survival but the doctor can only save one. Which one would you personally choose to save and how would you reach that choice? Remember now that both children have the same survival chance, however the doctor can only save one of them.


This question is to see how discerning you can be when reading the post put on this board.

Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 11/27/05:

One question that I would have is: Will both children die without the surgery? If not then why make a choice at all? Let them live together. That's playing life boat. I don't like that game.

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Erewhon asked on 11/26/05 - Wise sayings for no particular reason ...

~ The person who knows everything has a lot to learn

~No man can think clearly when his fists are clenched

~ It’s not what we don’t know that hurts, it’s what we know that ain’t so – Will Rogers

~ Never mistake motion for action – Ernest Hemingway

~ One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one’s work is terribly important – Bertrand Russell

~ Only the mediocre are always at their best – Jean Giraudoux

~ If you haven’t any charity in your heart you have the worst kind of heart trouble – Bob Hope

~ The difference between a hero and a coward is one step sideways

~ Marriage should be a duet – when one sings, the other claps – Martha Grimes

Well, enjoy. Comment of you feel like it.

Laura answered on 11/26/05:

#1 I really don't know sh****

#2 I can agree with that

#3 should be revised. "It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we do know that hurts so much!"

#4 Yeah... Motions are only pretend...Actions are authentic!!!

#5....One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that NO one thinks or even remotely acts like your work is terribly important.

#6 Yeah well... mediocre is the best I can do.

#7 Charity...You give until you realize that no one really gives a crap.. YOU realize you are only being used to the benifit of others.

#8 I am both a hero and a coward..Depends on who's looking at the time!!

#9...If only we could get "something" that sounds like harmony....

These are my comments today.. They may change tomorrow depending on my mood!!!

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belle33 asked on 11/26/05 - Jacob and Leah

Why do you suppose Jacob crawled into a tent and didnt take a peek first? No talking evidently, or anything. Some lover he must have been>.

Laura answered on 11/26/05:

In that time women could cover their faces on the wedding night though it was not an enforcible requirement.. Obviously "you know who" didn't want him to see her.. He wouldn't have consumated the marriage if he had. Back then, men were generally respectful of the woman's wishes. It did not mean he was a bad lover.. Ignorant..Yes!!

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Choux asked on 11/25/05 - Priorities

""" Some people have lost track of the important priorities in life but ... that's their problem.""" quote from Hank on previous question.


Just wondering what everyone thinks are the most important priorities in life.

Comments...

Laura answered on 11/25/05:

Oh Choux..What a loaded question!!! At this point in my life....Everybody else has opinions as to what our priorities in life are supposed to be.....according to what is convenient for them.. I need the answer to this one as much as you do!!! I am interested in seeing the responces.

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arcura asked on 11/24/05 - Of the many things I have to give thanks for is...


That all of you and the boards here are a part of my life.
I thank you all with heartfelt gladness.
Fred (arcura)

Laura answered on 11/24/05:

Have a blessed holiday Fred. Laura

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JesseJamesDupree asked on 11/24/05 - Happy Thanksgivin'

Hope everyone has a great "Turkeyday" Peace and God Bless.

Laura answered on 11/24/05:

Happy Holidays to you as well.. Eat hardy!!

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paraclete asked on 11/23/05 - So! it's come to this?

Buy your way to immortality
From:

November 24, 2005


A CATHEDRAL is offering people the opportunity to have their face immortalised in stone on its spires.
St Paul's Cathedral in Melbourne has come up with a novel fundraising plan for people to have their likeness carved on one of about 170 stone figures - for an estimated $50,000 each.

Anglican Dean of Melbourne David Richardson hoped people would jump at the chance to have their likeness on earth forever as a "kind of immortality".

"People aged 60 would like to say to their grandchildren, 'Up there is your grandfather carved in stone'," he said.

Buyers have three options: a realistic sculpture, a caricature, or a grotesque - a bizarre gargoyle-like sculpture.

Now which do you think would be the way you want to be remembered?

Laura answered on 11/23/05:

Hopefully my grands can live on "hand me down" memories cause that's all they'll get. :-) I would hope they would be good ones. If I could afford such a thing i'd want my memory to be as realistic as it could be, good or not so good.. I never cared for fakes.

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arcura asked on 11/23/05 - Who likes really good Mincemeat pie?........??

For the holidays try this one. It is superb!!!
Old Fashioned Mincemeat Pie
A traditional family favorite ... a treasured recipe from Grandma. This pie is present at each family gathering, especially around the holidays. We like it lean and slightly sweet. Plan to take all day preparing it, which is almost as enjoyable as eating it!
Boil or cook in a steamer, a 3-4 pound venison -(preferred)- or beef rib roast in 3 or 4 cups water, until the meat is so tender it falls apart. Cut into bite-sized pieces and return to the broth and continue to simmer on the stove top. Add the following, stirring each in as you go:
3 cups apple cider
a 1# box of raisins
1 cup chopped dried mixed candied fruit peel
about 1/4 cup of sugar
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon * 1 teaspoon cloves
5-6 meduim apples, chopped to bite size
Continue to simmer and stir occasionally as the raisins and apples absorb the liquid.
Grandma's Hint: Keep tasting ... add a little more sugar, spice or apple juice as suits you. The idea is to have a semi-tart but spicy base. But do it gradually until you find it to your liking. The raisins should swell up to take up the meat liquid, and more apples are always good.
This will make enough for 3-4 pies. (It stores well in the freezer.) Use the crust recipe below, or your own. Spoon the cooked and cooled mincemeat filling into the unbaked crust, use a sharp knife to make vents in the top crust, and bake at 425 degrees about 20 minutes, or until your crust is golden brown.

Tasty Tip: For hearty Holiday Pies substitute 1 cup brandy or rum for a cup of the apple juice.

As you can see Grandma cooked more by tasting than by measuring, but it always seemed to pay off! She also sometimes added a handful of walnut meats to the mincemeat just before baking. If you enjoy the recipe, feel free to print and share it!
For hearty Holiday pies substitute 1 cup brandy or rum for a cup of apple juice.

Flaky Pie Crust
1/2 cup oil * 1/4 cup milk
Stir in 2 cups flour and 1 tsp salt. Roll out and you have it!

Laura answered on 11/23/05:

One of my husbands favorites except in a cookie version.. My mom used to make the filling and put it in a sugar cookie like dough and cover it with another layer. Bake and you have little mini mincemeat pies!!!

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ATON2 asked on 11/23/05 - Happy Thanksgiving

Back in New York, just in time to wish every disfunctional member of our cyber family, a healthy and happy Thanksgiving.

Laura answered on 11/23/05:

New York!! Do you still see the beautiful fall colors or has it gotten too cold? May God bless and keep you. Ditto for a happy and healthy Thanksgiving to you too!! A bit odd for Oklahoma but today our high is supposed to be 75. Tommorow around 60. Have a good one! Laura P.S. I long for the first snowfall.

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HANK1 asked on 11/23/05 - A BIT ABOUT THANKSGIVING:



This national holiday commemorates the harvest of Plymouth Colony in 1621, following a winter of great hardship. Colonists and neighboring Indians shared the first feast. A national day of thanks was proclaimed by George Washington for Nov. 26, 1789. Lincoln revived the custom in 1863. Since 1941, according to a joint resolution of Congress, the holiday falls on the fourth Thursday in Nov. Customary turkey is a reminder that four wild turkeys were served at the Pilgrims' first Thanksgiving. I like the white meat.

HAPPY THANKGIVING EVERYONE!

HANK

Laura answered on 11/23/05:

Let us give thanks for all we are blessed with, and pray for those who are without.

I saw a show on the food channel where they made a chicken inside of a duck inside of a turkey with stuffing between each layer... I don't know..Would that taste right together?

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Erewhon asked on 11/22/05 - Autobiography going online

Commencing next Tuesday,my autobiography will be serialised weekly at:


A Shout From the Attic

Laura answered on 11/23/05:

Of course I will check it out. I enjoy everything that you send via email and have shared your stories with others. You are one of the few really talented people that I know and I feel privilaged that you consider me a friend. Laura

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Tex78 asked on 11/22/05 - Corruption in government.


I just read this post. It brought to mind other questions, which I am sure others have.

When a policeman is disrespectful us you, do we just go on, and assume that all police are like that?

Are we holding a grudge against someone from another country, because one person from that country did us wrong?

If we are black, or white, and one of them does something to us, do we then hate all black, or white, people?

If a person, from another state, does something to us, do we feel angry at all people from that state?

When a Catholic, Protestant, or other religious organizations, does something wrong, do we assume that all people of that denomination are the same?
I believe that we should ask ourselves, if we have any of these traits? And if so, should we not get rid of them, if we can? If not, then should we not ask God for help in doing this? Because all of these traits are not pleasing to Him.

P/S An example, Just because ATON does something, like use filthy words, and nasty remarks to me, I do not dislike all FAT people.. ;^)

Laura answered on 11/23/05:

People shouldn't judge others dependant upon the actions of one or two in their respective occupation/gender/race/religion or political views.

You know...You have REALLY got to get over your issues with ATON.. Years ago when AskMe was our regular habitat, ATON was there. Lots of people liked him. Lots of people didn't..Let me rephrase that. Lots of people didn't like his views. Lots of people didn't like my views.. I was the sweet dear Laura who was so good...(if they only knew) You would be surprised at the people who were totally annoyed with me. I made them sick with all my sugar and spice. WHO CARES!!! I don't care what they think and I KNOW that ATON doesn't care what you think of him.

The world is made up of all kinds of folks. It would be nice to figure out a way to get along with all of them. You don't have to agree to get along.

P.S. I doubt ATON is fat. I agree with Erewhon..The post was good till that last jab that I assure you, you didn't phase ATON one way or the other.

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HANK1 asked on 11/20/05 - JUST WONDERING ...


... if you want to renew your faith in God? Here's your chance:

Prayer for Renewal:

"Hide Your face from my sins, And blot out all my iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, And uphold me by Your generous Spirit." - Psalms 51: 9-12

Source: Beliefnet

HANK

Laura answered on 11/20/05:

I don't have a clue as to what Ronnie means.. But for me "create in me a new heart" is a daily request from me to God.. I am beginning to think that I am being repeticious(sic). Ohh what a wretched man am I!!!.. You know the rest of the quote.

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denise asked on 11/18/05 - effects

what are the effects of shooting up the drug vicodin.

Laura answered on 11/19/05:

Unless you have a serious medical problem that requires this type of medicine I would avoid it like the plaque. It is at the top of the list of addictive medications right now because it is cheap and easily available.

I'm not sure what the effects of shooting up vicodin would be but if you did it alot eventually you would blow the veins..Within a few years you would look about ten years older than you are.. People who abuse this drug tend to take little care of their physical self.. It is attributed to tooth decay and loss. You would certainly get addicted to the drug faster.

I know someone who has lost her family because of her addiction to this medication as well as the mental problems that she has. Her whole world was torn apart because of this medication and she is now addicted to the methadone that she gets at a clinic weekly to keep her off the vicodin.. Going down this road could send a person to a self-inflictd hell on earth.

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Choux asked on 11/18/05 - What is Moral; What is Immoral

"" ***Nobody is immoral just because someone else says they are.*** Keeping this in mind is important. It comes in handy when self-righteous moralists take the stage and try to denigrate and punish those who disagree with them. ......


...... morality is personal conscience. That's why hiding a runaway slave before the Civil War, though totally immoral and illegal by Southern standards and Supreme Court dictate, was moral. That's why hiding a dissident from the state police was moral under Stalin, and harboring persecuted Jews under Hitler. It's moral to oppose unjust laws, as Rosa Parks and Gandhi did. One of the key ways that society advances is by having enough "immoral" people who follow their conscience.

This all seems so basic, but we face a generation that is being pounded by reactionary belief to the contrary. It would be all too easy to grow up in present-day America to believe that

--Hurricane victims, being poor and uneducated, are better off having their lives ruined so that they can collect government aid.

--Any Muslim-American should be regarded as a potential terrorist.

--Whatever deception it takes to get into a war is morally justified.

--Atheists are bad people. So is anyone who won't let a child pray in school.

--Abortions defy the command of God (even though the Bible is totally silent on the matter).

--Patriotism is more important than individual conscience. Likewise, the need for law and order is absolute.

--Free speech should be squelched in dissidents because they are troublemakers.

--Liberalism is the same as laissez-faire sexual behavior and tolerance for social losers. (Liberals also smoke pot.)

The list could go on ad infinitum, for once the moralists are in the saddle, their critique of everyone unlike themselves knows no limits. They ignore the fact that the majority of the public doesn't believe the Bible literally, backs the right to choose an abortion, and opposes the current war. What moralists want to do isn't convince anyone, however; they want to intimidate and crush them. How moral is that?"" Cut and Paste


Any comments?

Laura answered on 11/18/05:

Morality is such a sticky subject and like you said...subject to the views of the person involved.

I know someone who makes good money but after paying his bills he is left with $56 a month to buy gas for his car and food for his kids and not elegible for any help from the state for his prediciment because the state doesn't take into account a car payment and insurance...even though you have to have a car for work.. emergencies.. etc. and insurance for that car is mandatory. Who can afford the cost of a cab for everything?? I know that I can't!! The public bus doesn't go to his area.

If he went to school full time being a single father/veteran he could get a free college education and he could get a part time job making less than he is now but the state would give him food stamps, medical for his kids, free daycare and he would end up better off for at least a few years plus get a college education to boot.

What is the moral solution?? I know that he would surely like to know.. because he hasen't made up his mind about it yet...Any answers??

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HANK1 asked on 11/18/05 - A CHRISTIAN THOUGHT ABOUT SELF-ESTEEM:



Well-being virtually depends on the illusions of overly positive self-evaluations, exaggerated perceptions of control and unrealistic optimism. These illusions are not only characteristic of normal human thoughts, but also necessary for the usual criteria of mental health ... the ability to care about others, the ability to be contented and the ability to work productively. Since I have a positive view of the world, it is better to maintain illusions at all costs since they protect my self-esteem.

Does this descriptive prose fit your personality?

HANK

Laura answered on 11/18/05:

Hank..Some people who have overly positive self-evaluations and exaggerated perceptions of control and unrealistic optimism have a form of mania.. If they don't get it under control they can go in the opposite direction and end up terribly depressed. It's called manic-depressant disorder. These people can usually only work producively when going through a manic cycle.

You have a positive view of the world. That makes you an optimist.. But if you or anyone else has to hold on to unrealistic views of the world in order to maintain a possitive outlook, then they need to speak to a doctor about it.

I think i'm somewhere in the middle..Always hoping for the best.....

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Choux asked on 11/16/05 - Beastiality

Cut and Paste from Answers dot com::

Bestiality is ***legal*** (or at least not expressly outlawed) in these U.S. states:

* Alaska
* Arizona
* Colorado
* Connecticut
* Florida
* Hawaii
* Iowa
* Kentucky
* Louisiana
* Missouri
* Nebraska
* Nevada
* New Hampshire
* New Jersey
* New Mexico
* Ohio
* Oregon
* South Dakota
* Texas********************LOL!!!
* Vermont
* Washington
* West Virginia
* Wyoming

Bestiality is a confirmed misdemeanor in these states:

* California (Penal Code Section 286.5 Misdemeanor)
* Minnesota (Minn. Stat. @609.294, (1993) Either fine of not more than $3,000 or sentence of not more than 1 year.)
* New York (NY CLS Penal @130.20 (1994) Class A misdemeanor)
* Utah (Bestiality 76-9-301.8 Class B Misdemeanor)

Bestiality is a confirmed ***felony*** in these states:

* Delaware (11 Del. C. @777 (1993) Class D Criminal felony)
* Georgia (O.C.G.A. @16-6-6 (1994) 1-5 yr. jail sentence)
* Idaho (Idaho Code @18-6605 (1994) "length of imprisonment in excess of 5 years is in discretion of court.")
* Kansas (K.S.A. @2103506 (1993) Aggravated crime, sodomy, security level 2 felony)
* Maine (17-A M.R.S. @ 251 (1994) Class C Crime; 3-5 yrs)
* Maryland (Unnatural/Perverted Sexual Acts Article 27, Section 553. Up to $1,000 fine, max of 10 years prison)
* Massachusetts (Mass. Ann. Laws ch. 272 @34 (1994) Jail sentence of not more than 20 years)
* Michigan (MCL @750.185 (1992) Jail sentence not more than 15 years)
* Mississippi (Miss. Code. Ann., @97-29-59 Sentence of not more than 10 years)
* Montana (Mont. Code. Ann., @45-5-505 (1994) 10 year sentence and/or $50,000 fine)
* North Carolina (N.C. Gen. Stat. @14-177 (1994) Class I felony. 3-10 yrs)
* Oklahoma (21 Okl. St. @886 (1994) "imprisonment not to exceed 10 years")
* Rhode Island (R.I. Gen. Laws @11-10-1 (1993) 7-20 years)
* South Carolina (S.C. Code Ann. @16-15-120 (1993) 5 yrs jail and/or fine of at least $500)
* Virginia (Va. Code. Ann. @18.2-361 (1994) Class 6 Felony)
* Washington D.C. (DC Code @22-3502 (1994) ("Sexual Psychopath" chapter) Fine not more than $1000 and/or sentence of not more than 10 yrs)

Bestiality is illegal in these states but the exact penalty varies or is unconfirmed:

* Alabama (Code of Ala. @13A-6-63 (1994) "sodomy in 1st degree" criminal offense)
* Arkansas (Ark. Stat. Ann. @13A-6-63 (1994) "sodomy in 1st degree" criminal offense)
* Illinois (720 ILCS 5/12-12 (1994) Crime)
* Indiana (Burn Ind. Code. Ann. @35-42-4-2 (1994))
* North Dakota (N.D. Cent. Code @12.1-20-03, 12.1-20-07, 12.1-20-12 (1993) Various penalties, & can be considered either "gross sexual imposition", "sexual assault" or "deviate sexual act")
* Pennsylvania (18 Pa. C. S. @3101, 3123 and 3124 (1994))
* Tennessee (Tenn. Code. Ann. @39-13-501 (1994))
* Wisconsin (Wis. State. @944.17 (1993))



WELL HOW INTERESTING FACTS ARE!!!!!!!!

I'm the one who looked up beastiality and will probably go on some FBI List, darn it...

NOTE:::

BEASTIALITY ISN'T EVEN A CRIME IN HALF THE STATES.

MASSACHUSETTES IS ONE OF THE FEW STATES WHERE BEASTIALITY IS A FELONY.


IN TEXAS, BEASTIALITY IS LEGAL!!! lolol!!!

Laura answered on 11/16/05:

I have to admit that the facts are suprising! You know how them cowboys like to ride them steers!! Yuk Yuk..Just kidding LOL I didn't just say that!

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paraclete asked on 11/16/05 - Wake up America, is this what you are fighting for?

Secret Baghdad torture centre found by troops

By Omar Fekeiki in Baghdad
November 17, 2005

US officials have denied any responsibility for a newly revealed prisoner abuse scandal, with Iraq's Government saying it is shocked by the discovery of more than 170 prisoners in an underground Baghdad prison, many of them malnourished and showing obvious signs of torture.

The prisoners were found in a locked Interior Ministry bunker beneath a well-to-do area of the Iraqi capital. Many had been severely beaten, some were paralysed and others had skin peeling off their bodies.

The Government has ordered an inquiry into the prison, discovered during a US-led raid.

Revealing that 173 detainees were found in the secret prison, the Iraqi Prime Minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, declared his government would work to root out such practices by the country's new police force, which is operated by the Interior Ministry.

The ministry is thought to have been heavily infiltrated by Iraq's most potent Shiite factional militia, the Iranian-backed Badr Organisation, during the past six months. It was the first time the Government had acknowledged the apparent abuse of prisoners by its officials.

Separately, a Sunni Arab leader accused the Baghdad government of involvement in the kidnapping and killing of 46 Sunni men.

Sunni Arabs have long complained that Shiite militias close to political parties that dominate Iraq's ruling coalition are engaged in shadowy vendettas against perceived political and sectarian foes. The discovery on Sunday of the makeshift prison lent credibility to those charges.

Soldiers of the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division and Iraqi troops found the prisoners when, acting on a tip and searching for a missing teenager, they demanded to enter the building in a quiet suburb near Baghdad University.

Talk of a secret detention centre at the Interior Ministry compound surfaced in Baghdad in recent weeks. Officials of the ministry, whose ranks are made up mainly of former members of Shiite militias, have acknowledged some human rights abuses but never confirmed the rumours of the torture centre run with the help of intelligence agents from neighbouring Iran.

Standing outside the building on Tuesday night, the Interior Ministry's undersecretary for security, Major-General Hussein Kamal, blamed the prisoner abuse on inexperienced and untrained officers brought into the police force during the chaotic days after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

General Kamal refused to allow journalists to inspect the building which was built as a bomb shelter during the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war.

"We have pictures and evidence of the prisoners who were harmed, and every Iraqi citizen has the right to punish those who mistreated those prisoners," General Kamal said. "Those cases have been handed over to the Iraqi courts to decide."

In Washington, a US State Department spokesman, Adam Ereli, called the allegations of abuse "troubling" and said Iraq should punish the personnel responsible.

"We don't practise torture, and we don't believe that others should practise torture," he said.

Sunni leaders have accused the Government of waging a "dirty war" of disappearances and killings of Sunnis.

On Tuesday police confirmed the discovery of 28 bodies dumped in Jassan, near the Iranian border. The men were all dressed in civilian clothes and had been shot in the head and chest. All were Sunni Arabs.

The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Reuters


Well there you have it, the "regime" is back in business, courtesy of George W Bush and his cronies. When it's all said and done an arab is still an arab and vendettas are a part of the culture. Where I come from they have a saying, you can't make a silk pursue out of a sow's ear, and you can't make a democrat out of a camel driver.

Laura answered on 11/16/05:

Sunday, November 13, 2005

Iraq wheat boycott angers Australian govt

SYDNEY: The Australian government reacted angrily Saturday to a report that Baghdad had suspended wheat imports worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year over oil-for-food kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein’s regime.

Prime Minister John Howard said contracts could not be disregarded “willy-nilly”, while Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said Australians would be irritated by a boycott as they had contributed troops to the US-led invasion that ousted Saddam.

The Australian newspaper quoted Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Ahmed Chalabi as saying all future orders for Australian wheat had been suspended and Iraq was demanding compensation for kickbacks paid to Saddam’s regime under the UN’s oil-for-food programme. The Australian wheat orders are worth up to 800 million dollars (600 million US dollars) a year.

A spokesman for Trade Minister Mark Vaile said the government had received no formal notification of the suspension and had asked its ambassador in Baghdad to seek clarification.

Howard said that as far as the government was concerned, wheat trade with Iraq was proceeding as normal. “AWB (Australian Wheat Board) does have a contract with the Iraqi government so there are obligations and those obligations just can’t be torn up willy- nilly,” he told reporters.

Downer said that because of Australia’s active military role in removing Saddam from power, a boycott of the country’s wheat would annoy many Australians. “A lot of people certainly would make that argument,” Downer said.

“Australia is one of the coalition of the willing, one of the three countries that moved decisively to rid Saddam Hussein’s regime from Iraq so there’s no doubt about the principled position Australia has taken against Saddam Hussein and his regime.

“Our wheat trade in Iraq has been progressing at a steady pace and we’ve heard nothing about it being disrupted.” Chalabi told the newspaper in a telephone interview from Washington that he expected the AWB to compensate the new Iraqi government for 290 million dollars in kickbacks paid to the former regime.

The money was sent by AWB, Australia’s monopoly wheat exporter, to a Jordanian trucking group, Alia, that was in fact a front company for the former Iraqi president. AWB, which sold 2.3 billion dollars worth of wheat to Iraq under the oil-for-food programme, admits making the payments to Alia but denies that it was involved in corruption, saying it was duped.

Chalabi said, however, that he and the new Iraqi government believed the AWB must have known that the money was being funnelled to Saddam’s regime.

“The excuses they are making are lame,” he was quoted as saying.

“I don’t want to be specific but they should organise compensation, because that money belonged to Iraq and to the Iraqi people,” Chalabi said. AWB spokesman Peter McBride said wheat exports to Iraq would continue and officials would seek an explanation from the Iraqis.

“We’ve got a contract in place and we are delivering against that contract,” he said. “That will take us into the new year.”

The Australian government last week announced the appointment of a commission of inquiry into AWB’s alleged involvement in the oil-for-food scandal.

A UN report found that AWB, the largest humanitarian provider under the programme, did not directly pay bribes to the Iraqi government but that some of its officers probably knew what was going on.

The 18-month UN probe named AWB as one of more than 2,200 firms that paid kickbacks to the Iraqi government under the programme that ran from 1996 to 2003, allowing sanction-hit Iraq to export oil and import humanitarian goods. afp


Hmmmmmmm....what is Australia fighting in this war for??

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Choux asked on 11/14/05 - "Good Christian"

There has always been discussion of what is a good Christian, and recently, more so.

What are the qualities of a Good Christian?

Are these qualities any different from a Good Buddhist, or a Good Jew, or just a plain good person??

What is a Good Christian?

Laura answered on 11/14/05:

I think that the qualities of a good Christian would be to trust in the sacrafice that Jesus made, to love God and to love our neighbors as ourselves.. If we really really did that then any other "rules" would be fullfilled as a natural consequence to these actions. We would also be nicer people.

There is no difference between the Good Buddhist, Jew, person or Christian except what they believe their ultimate end is according to thier individual beliefs.

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revdauphinee asked on 11/14/05 - not a christian question!but!

folks I know many of you are getting on in years I would like your honest oppinion of the new medicare prescription plan .It will affect me and whilst I dont claim to be any genious I do consider myself fairly intelegent but this mess is beyond my understanding and I at first attempt to understand it am not to much in favour of it .How about the rest of you to whoom it will aply? seems like its not going to be a big help and is at the least confusing

Laura answered on 11/14/05:

Hello Revdauphinee.. I've been looking at this as well because my mother in law would be affected. I will use her as a reference because I know her situation.



When you get Medicare prescription drug coverage, you pay part of the costs, and Medicare pays part of the costs. You pay a premium each month to join the drug plan (generally around $37 in 2006 for standard coverage). If you have Medicare Part B, you also pay your monthly Part B premium. If you belong to a Medicare Advantage Plan or a Medicare Cost Plan, the monthly premium you pay to the plan may increase if you add prescription drug coverage.

Your costs will vary depending on which plan you choose. Your plan must, at a minimum, provide you with a standard level of coverage as shown below. Some plans offer more coverage or lower premiums.

Standard Coverage (the minimum coverage drug plans must provide):

If you join in 2006, for covered drugs you will pay

a monthly premium (varies depending on the plan you choose, but estimated at about $37).
the first $250 per year for your prescriptions. This is called your "deductible."


After you pay the $250 deductible, here's how the costs work:

You pay 25% of your yearly drug costs from $250 to $2,250, and your plan pays the other 75% of these costs, then
You pay 100% of your $2,850 in drug costs, then
You pay 5% of your drug costs (or a small copayment) for the rest of the calendar year after you have spent $3,600 out-of-pocket. Your plan pays the rest.

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My MIL pays about $500 a month right now for her meds. If she uses this plan, the first month she will pay $250 (the deductible)towards her meds plus the $37.00 fee and then $62.50 of the balance of her remaining $250 for meds for the month. So in all for that month she will pay $359 instead of $500.

It will take her about five months (give or take alittle) to reach the $2250 mark and she will be paying about $162.00 a month for her meds including the $37.00 monthly fee for the plan.

So far she will have spent about $1009 in actual dollars but will have met the $2250 mark. But remember she has only paid $1009 toward that $3600 out of pocket required in the plan.

She will have to pay full price plus the $37.00 a month for her meds for the next five months or so (give or take alittle) after that to reach the total $3600 out of pocket for the year.

Then she will pay about $62.00 a month including the monthly $37.00 fee for her meds for the remaining two months.

So in all instead of paying $6000 a year for her meds, she will be paying approximately $3819.00 for the year including the $37.00 monthly fee. These numbers are approximate so don't hold me to them but they're close.

That's a pretty good savings.. Certainly better than nothing if you have no medication coverage!! If you divide it by 12 to average it out she'll be paying about $318.25 instead of $500.00 a month (that includes the monthly fee for having the plan).

I don't like the way they set it up because she'll get a break...then she'll pay more...then she'll pay alot less for the last couple months. Seems they could have figured out a way to make it even through out all 12 months but it's still a savings of almost $200 a month for her over all. That's food on the table or much needed clothing or whatever.. It will help those who have high prescription costs per month for sure.

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revdauphinee asked on 11/14/05 - not a christian question!but!

folks I know many of you are getting on in years I would like your honest oppinion of the new medicare prescription plan .I twill affect me and whilst I dont claim to be any genioue i consider myself fairly intelegent but this meaa is beyond my understanding and I at first attempt to understand it am not to much in favour of it .How about the rest of you to whoom it will aply?

Laura answered on 11/14/05:

Hello Revdauphinee.. I've been looking at this as well because my mother in law would be affected. I will use her as a reference because I know her situation.



When you get Medicare prescription drug coverage, you pay part of the costs, and Medicare pays part of the costs. You pay a premium each month to join the drug plan (generally around $37 in 2006 for standard coverage). If you have Medicare Part B, you also pay your monthly Part B premium. If you belong to a Medicare Advantage Plan or a Medicare Cost Plan, the monthly premium you pay to the plan may increase if you add prescription drug coverage.

Your costs will vary depending on which plan you choose. Your plan must, at a minimum, provide you with a standard level of coverage as shown below. Some plans offer more coverage or lower premiums.

Standard Coverage (the minimum coverage drug plans must provide):

If you join in 2006, for covered drugs you will pay

a monthly premium (varies depending on the plan you choose, but estimated at about $37).
the first $250 per year for your prescriptions. This is called your "deductible."


After you pay the $250 deductible, here's how the costs work:

You pay 25% of your yearly drug costs from $250 to $2,250, and your plan pays the other 75% of these costs, then
You pay 100% of your $2,850 in drug costs, then
You pay 5% of your drug costs (or a small copayment) for the rest of the calendar year after you have spent $3,600 out-of-pocket. Your plan pays the rest.

-----------------------------------

My MIL pays about $500 a month right now for her meds. If she uses this plan, the first month she will pay $250 (the deductible)towards her meds plus the $37.00 fee and then $62.50 of the balance of her remaining $250 for meds for the month. So in all for that month she will pay $359 instead of $500.

It will take her about five months (give or take alittle) to reach the $2250 mark and she will be paying about $162.00 a month for her meds including the $37.00 monthly fee for the plan.

So far she will have spent about $1009 in actual dollars but will have met the $2250 mark. But remember she has only paid $1009 toward that $3600 out of pocket required in the plan.

She will have to pay full price plus the $37.00 a month for her meds for the next five months or so (give or take alittle) after that to reach the total $3600 out of pocket for the year.

Then she will pay about $62.00 a month including the monthly $37.00 fee for her meds for the remaining two months.

So in all instead of paying $6000 a year for her meds, she will be paying approximately $3819.00 for the year including the $37.00 monthly fee. These numbers are approximate so don't hold me to them but they're close.

That's a pretty good savings.. Certainly better than nothing if you have no medication coverage!! If you divide it by 12 to average it out she'll be paying about $318.25 instead of $500.00 a month (that includes the monthly fee for having the plan).

I don't like the way they set it up because she'll get a break...then she'll pay more...then she'll pay alot less for the last couple months. Seems they could have figured out a way to make it even through out all 12 months but it's still a savings of almost $200 a month for her over all. That's food on the table or much needed clothing or whatever.. It will help those who have high prescription costs per month for sure.



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Erewhon asked on 11/13/05 - What would you do?

Would you persuade your wife/husband.cat to join you in a suicide attack on anyone if you really believed that by doing so you would further the case of Christianity/humanism/atheism?

Laura answered on 11/13/05:

If I was so brainwashed to the point that I believed that such a suicide would further the case of Christianity/humanism/atheism then I suppose that I would probably ask my spouse to join me in such a mad venture.. I would hope that he would decline and have me committed.

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HANK1 asked on 11/13/05 - ANNIVERSAY:



On this date three years ago (Nov. 13, 2002), I joined ANSWERWAY. I have learned alot from all of you! The Bible says God made human beings good. I have found this to be true since joining ANSWERWAY and my favorite Board. This one! My participation has given me a chance to build a great degree of the simple magic of affirmation and appreciation that's required to progress as a God-fearing person with high self-esteem. I have become emotionally involved and I do have a common destiny which goes beyond the personal. Thanks to all of you, I have a greater connectedness with Jesus and the Almighty. To appreciate is to love.

HANK

Laura answered on 11/13/05:

According to my stats I was here a few days before you... I thought you were here first but maybe not!! Anyway, it's sure been an experience so far..There are a few people I kinda miss.. ;-)

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/12/05 - Priest/ministers/rabbis as celibate?

Which would be better - that a man of the cloth marry and have a family or remain single and celibate?

My mother once told me that, before they were married, my father said to her that once he became a minister, the church would always come first, even before her and any children they had. She agreed, and was our mainstay at home. My father was always the last one out of the church and the one to lock up after Sunday morning service/Sunday School and after weekday evening meetings. He attended every parish meeting, even those for the youth - he was very visible and involved. He spent his days visiting the sick and tending to other ministerial duties. When he was working on a sermon at his home office, we kids had to play quietly. Yet, some of my best memories are the times he spent with us kids playing board games, making popcorn, playing word games during meals, and our family devotions after supper each evening (except for Sunday). Holidays were special because he found ways to make them special for our family. He devoted his life to the church, to God, and was still able to find time and energy for his family. I suspect though, from knowing other ministers' families, that my father was somewhat of a rare man.

Is that spreading a man of the cloth too thin? Maybe ministers and rabbis shouldn't marry. Maybe the Catholic Church is right in not allowing its priests to marry. Yet, being married with a family would give a priest/minister/rabbi a very important point of view about life and would allow him to better understand his parishioners' joys and sorrows in their marriages and with their children.

What do you think?

Laura answered on 11/12/05:

I believe that it's a decision that only the individual can make.. Paul reccomends that a man who wants to devote his life to the Lord is better off to remain single..probably for the reasons you have mentioned, the added responsibility of a family and their needs. Yet he also says that if a man has strong urges to marry and mate then he should so he won't be tempted.

But I do believe that the spouses or future spouses of these men should be aware of the commitment their husbands are making when joining the ministry. It is a big job. I've personally seen marriages of ministers fail because they could not seem to balance those responsibilities or their wives simply could not handle the pressure, responsibilities and image that the wife of a minister needs to live up to. I do think that your father was a rare gem of a man who figured out how to do both well. Your mother must have been equally wise.

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Erewhon asked on 11/11/05 - Answer me this, please.

Does anyone think that participation on the Christianity Board is about "Winning and losing?"

I thought it was about "Question and answer."


Where have I gone wrong?

Laura answered on 11/11/05:

I don't think it's about winning or losing, question or answer.. This is a unique board..though that may not have been it's original purpose.

I have noticed over the last several months that we often refer to each other as a kind of family.. Families share all kinds of things with each other.. It seems fitting to me that we share whatever we think might bring the need for thought and reflection, debate, and perhaps disagreement, and a smile or two now and again.. Would someone like to tell me what is wrong with "that"!!??

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/10/05 - John Shelby Spong and a Second Reformation

[During the first Reformation,] the time had not arrived in which Christians would be required to rethink the basic and identifying marks of Christianity itself.

It is my conviction that such a moment is facing the Christian world today. The very heart and soul of Christianity will be the content of this reformation. The debate which has been building for centuries has now erupted into public view. All the past ecclesiastical efforts to keep it at bay or deny its reality have surely failed and will continue to do so. The need for a new theological reformation began when Copernicus and Galileo removed this planet from its previous supposed location at the center of the universe, where human life was thought to bask under the constant attention of a humanly defined parental deity. That revolution in thought produced an angle of vision radically different from the one in which the Bible was written and through which the primary theological tenets of the Christian faith were formed."

In this new millennium, should the Christian church rethink and and then reinvent itself? Why would it need to?

Laura answered on 11/10/05:

Actually no...It should go back to it's roots.. The roots of faith in God and His Word and the truth of the need of salvation through Christ and Christ alone. It should not stumble and it should not fall by the whims of those who would seek to reduce the truth to a mere fairytale or something that is somehow wrong and needs to be fixed. We need to stop dumming down and smarten up!! I for one will not allow the works of the devil to blind me. He has been attempting this with man for more than two thousand years. He will continue to do so and he will ultimately fail and faithful belief and trust in Christ will NEVER fail. To say that Christianity needs some kind of reformation or reinvention is to call the God of the Bible a liar...

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paraclete asked on 11/08/05 - christmas is coming, so here's a thought

# No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.

# There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 25% of the total - 500 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 151.8 million homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each.

# Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 1000 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 151.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 100 million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding and etc.

This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 800 miles per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second; a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.

# The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 400,000 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal anoint, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 300,200 reindeer. This increases the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 600,000 tons. Again, for comparison - this is six times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

# 600,000 tons traveling at 800 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 18 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 3.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 20,000 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 5,000,000 pounds of force.

In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's dead now.

Based on the research of SPY magazine,

Laura answered on 11/09/05:

Santa's not a youngster anymore and this is the new millenium.. He has contracts with ToysRus and Walmart along with the help of several million people called "parents(and sometimes silent angels who care about underprivileged kids)" who help with the finances and delivery...

IT'S MAGIC DON'T YOU KNOW!! LOL :-)

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revdauphinee asked on 11/04/05 - Are there any Jews in China??

Chinese Jews

Sid and Al were sitting in a Chinese restaurant.

"Sid," asked Al, "Are there any Jews in China?"

"I don't know," Sid replied. "Why don't we ask the waiter?"When the waiter came by, Al said, "Are there any Chinese Jews?"

"I don't know sir, let me ask," the waiter replied and he went into the kitchen.

He quickly returned and said, "No, sir. No Chinese Jews."

"Are you sure?" Al asked.

"I will check again, sir." the waiter replied and went back to the kitchen.

While he was still gone, Sid said, "I cannot believe there are no Jews in China. Our people are scattered everywhere."

When the waiter returned he said, "Sir, no Chinese Jews."

"Are you really sure?" Al asked again. "I cannot believe there are no Chinese Jews."

"Sir, I ask everyone," the waiter replied exasperated. "We have orange jews, prune jews, tomato jews and grape jews, but no one ever hear of Chinese jews!"

Laura answered on 11/04/05:

LOL!!!! :-)

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HANK1 asked on 11/03/05 - JUST WONDERING ... AGAIN ...


how many Experts copyread their posts, answers, clarifications, comments and follow-ups for correct spelling, sentence structure, abuse, personal attacks and EXACTLY what you mean to say?

HANK

Laura answered on 11/03/05:

I try but i'm sure i've messed up once or twice! I KNOW that i've said things i've regretted. Don't we all?

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hOPE12 asked on 11/03/05 - With much appreciation to all:

Thanks Everyone for you speedy replies and the help you guys offered. I now have something to work with. I am ignorant to the laws and all your replies were really helpful.

S0 far there are 68 bauildings in my county that have been declared unsafe. We also found out it could take a few monthes before they inspect all those buildings with roof damage and other damage. Broward county is a very large area with only about 360 inaspectors for thousands of homes that were damaged.

Again thanks for everyones response and may you all be blessed by the Creator as kind and caring people.

Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 11/03/05:

I would also suggest that because this damage was due to a hurricane there may be mitigating circumstances which gives the landlord more time to remedy the problems. Especially if multiple units are involved and the complex is not condemed. If it is concemed you can move out anytime.. The problem it appears is that the property has not been inspected as of yet so you don't know whether it will be condemed or not. I would follow the rules of the law that I put in my previous reply and put your rent money away just in case. Don't spend it.

It sounds like for the time being the property is livable. If I were you I would put up with the leaky ceiling and wet carpets for the time being but write the necessary letters and withhold rent (Only after you have consulted with an attorney or the county and they say that you can, but be sure to save that money) until you know the fate of the building. Keep in mind though that if the landlord doesn't get rent from the some 40 residents that you spoke of, it will be hard for him to make the needed repairs unless he had adequate insurance coverage for the property. It could even be the insurance company holding him up from doing the repairs.

It all comes down to whether the building is going to be condemed. I can sure understand your delemna.. I would not want to pay rent and then end up with the apartment condemed..You wouldn't get your money back for some time...if at all.

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/03/05 - Should it be Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas?

To: (Chicago-area) public schools.

The fact that you may not sponsor religious devotions or celebrations does not prevent you from presenting holiday programs that include music and other elements from such devotions.

The purpose of such programs should be to educate all students about history, culture and religious traditions in our society, not to promote or inhibit any one belief system.

It's appropriate for holiday-related programs in December to include music related to Christmas and Hanukkah. Public schools should, in fact, recognize and teach about the cultural aspects of these important holidays. But they should always do so in the context of education, not celebration, and strive for a comprehensive representation of the major religious and secular traditions at this time of year.

Teachers and administrators should devise programs that do not cause students to feel excluded based on their religious beliefs or to feel as though they must identify with a religion not their own in order to participate. The preferred method to accomplish this is to be more inclusive of traditions and expressions rather than less.

Students who ask, based on their beliefs, to be excused from talks or activities related to particular holidays, should be excused without penalty.

Signed: Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas.

(Eric Zorn, Chicago Tribune columnist, 11/03/05)
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Can we agree with the above?

Laura answered on 11/03/05:

I believe that there are also some other religious/historical/cultural based holidays around this time of year as well..

The only other alternative would be to exclude "anything" having to do with any holiday removed from the school environment and I think that would be a shame So I say: Happy Holidays!!

I agree with the above to answer your question.

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hOPE12 asked on 11/02/05 - Help please!

Hello Everyone,
Please if there is anyone who knows the law, what are my rights.

We pay $950.00 Rent and because of the huricane Wilma we has significant roof damage and now last night it rained and water came into the third floor hallway. The carpet is wet. Now our landlord wants his rent and our building has not been inspected for safety. Many of the buildings in the area have been condemed and rated unsafe and tenate have a few hours to move. We as renters do not feel comfortable paying our rent if we are going to be asked to leave due to danger and unsafe building. What can my family and others renters due legally to protect ourselves?

I know this is not spiritual or religious matter but it is important and I really would appreciate anyone who can help us know what to do.

Thanks ahead of time,
Hope12

Laura answered on 11/02/05:

You may want to contact the Florida PIRG 926 E. Park Ave.• Tallahassee • FL 32301 • 850-224-3321
about your problem.. Here is just a part of the responsibilities between landlord and tenent...



THE LANDLORD'S RESPONSIBILITIES


* Florida Statutes, Section 83.51, require a landlord to comply with the local
Property Maintenance Code. This means:

1. The roof must not leak.
2. The walls must be weather-tight, and in good repair.
3. The stairs must be safe for normal use and maintained in good repair.
4. Windows and doors must be basically weather-tight, water-tight, rodent-proof,
and kept in sound working condition. Outside doors have to have proper
locks.
5. Window panes cannot have cracks and holes. Outside windows must have
screens.
6. Inside floors, walls, ceilings must be basically rodent-proof and kept in sound
condition and good repair, and should be safe.
7. The house or apartment must have hot water, which is connected to the
kitchen and bathroom sinks, tub or shower.
8. All houses or apartments must have a flush toilet in good working condition.
9. When cooking and heating equipment are provided by the landlord, they must
be safely installed and in good working order.
10. There must be adequate garbage disposal facilities or garbage storage
containers.
11. Every habitable room must have at least two separate floor or wall electric
outlets and, additionally, every kitchen, bedroom, bathroom and hallway
must have a ceiling or wall-type fixture, or an outlet controlled by a wall
switch near the entrance to the room.
12. All electrical systems must be in good repair and good working order.


IF THE LANDLORD DOES NOT COMPLY


* If your landlord has failed to comply with the previous listed code responsibilities,
and has ignored your request to undo their unlawful action, you can contact The
Code Enforcement Branch of city or county in which you reside and
request that they contact your landlord and explain that their action is illegal and
violates your local code.

* If your landlord fails to do what the law or lease requires, you may be able to
withhold the rent. You must give notice of your intention by certified mail at
least seven days before the rent is due to allow time for the landlord to remedy
the problem. If the problem is not corrected within seven days and you withhold
the rent the landlord may take you to court to collect it. You must them pay the
rent into the court registry pending the judges determination of the case.

* Always call the Consumer Affairs Division in your city or county regarding your landlord/tenant rights before withholding rent!!!


RENT WITHHOLDING FROM LANDLORD

* You must be very careful to do what the law requires for a proper rent
withholding!!! ALWAYS call the Consumer Affairs Division of your county
or city regarding your landlord/tenant rights before withholding your rent.

* If your landlord will not fix a condition which is in "material non-compliance"
with the your local city or county property maintenance code, you may stop paying rent
(rent withholding). Material non-compliance means that there are major
problems in your house or apartment which your landlord refuses to fix.

* Under Florida law, you cannot do the repairs yourself and then deduct that cost
from your rent.

* You can do a rent withholding so that you are protected by the law by taking the
following steps:

1. Make a written complaint to your local city or county enforcement office.


2. Make a list of all the things which are wrong with your rental unit and violate
the local code (for example, plumbing not working, roof leaks, etc.).

3. Write the landlord this letter:

Date

Dear (name of landlord):

Pursuant with Florida Statutes, Section 83.60, I am notifying you of your
material non-compliance with Florida Statutes, Section 83.51(1), and the
(insert the name of your local code).

Unless the listed repairs are made within 7 days of delivery of this notice,
I will not pay rent, because of your failure to maintain the premises.

List all things that are wrong

Sign you name ___________________
Print your name and address.

4. Mail or deliver this letter to your landlord at least seven days before the
next rent is due. *It is recommended that this letter be sent certified mail,
return receipt requested. This is an extra protection for you in the event
the landlord denies he ever knew about the material non-compliance.
KEEP A COPY OF THE LETTER.

5. You must save the rent as it becomes due. Do not spend it, because, if the
landlord fixes the house or apartment, you must pay him at least a portion
of the rent, and, if he tries to evict you, you must deposit all of the money
you have saved with the court until the eviction case is over.


Follow the law to a T so that you are covered.. Read the above VERY carefully and follo the suggestions.. You will not be re-imbursed for work that you do that is supposed to be done by the landlord!!! Take care, Good luck!!! God bless.

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HANK1 asked on 10/27/05 - CATCH 22:



Guys and dolls, my brain is trying to combine REALITY with CHRISTIAN thinking. How can I be a REALIST and a CHRISTIAN at the same time? Twenty stars to the person who makes the most sense!

HANK

Laura answered on 10/27/05:

Being a Christian means giving your heart to Christ and following His example. If His example according to the Bible(if you believe the Bible to be inspired by God)does not jive with what we see in the world we are to follow God and not the world. Our idea as Christians of REALISM compared to what the world sees as REALISM I am sorry to say just doesn't go hand in hand. So if you are a Bible believing Christian you cannot be a realist in the worldly sense anyway..But you can be a realist in the Biblical reality of Christ and His teachings. This is just my humble opinion. Does that make any sense!! I hope so. I know what I'm saying.

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revdauphinee asked on 10/25/05 - why are hurricanes with womens names the worst

why are hurricanes with womens names the worst?
they blow into town ,give you a whirl and leave you spinning, disrupt your life ,take everything you got then blow out again!

Laura answered on 10/25/05:

LOL!! I've heard many people comment on just the same observation!! Maybe most men(and the tornatoes named after them) are just wimps! LOL

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STONY asked on 10/25/05 - A HALF HOUR WEST OF DAYTONA BEACH....

SUNDAY NIGHT ABOUT 10:30 IT STARTED RAINING AND NEAR 11 A.M. IT STOPPED. BY 1 P.M. MONDAY THE SUN WAS SHINING AGAIN AND WE HAD VERY LITTLE DAMAGE HERE WHERE I LIVE. 60 MILES SOUTH AND EAST OF HERE IT WAS QUITE A DIFFERENT STORY, THEY GOT THE HURRICANE. ALL SEEMS TO BE WELL AND BACK TO NORMAL.

Laura answered on 10/25/05:

I'm glad that you are safe!!! Also glad that you didn't get much damage. God bless. Laura

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excon asked on 10/23/05 - Time to step up


Hello Christians:

Bucker posed a question about some mythical person. This person disagrees with bucker on a number of issues, and apparently because of that, he accuses this person (or persons) of some pretty vile things. Many/most of you signed on to buckers comments. So, my question is for all of you.

Just who were you and bucker talking about?

You should excuse me if I thought much of what he was saying was directed at me. While I take personal offense at some of the remarks, this isn’t about hurt feelings. I want to know about your politics. If these thoughts were NOT directed at me, who were they directed at? After all, I disagree with bucker on most issues. And, I am the antithesis of bucker - a liberal, Jewish/atheist, left coaster, marijuana smoker, and an exconvict to boot. I fit the bill perfectly. Could I be the mythical person? If not me, who? Aton, clete, choux, sarnian? All of us are against the war.

By the same token, bucker is not mythical to me. I imagine him to be white, old, southern, evangelical and red necked. He fits the bill perfectly. I have no problem naming him.

So, I’m asking you to put a face on buckers comments. Please, again - not a personal face, but a political one.

Here’s why I don’t think you will. Because the accusation of treason is so over the top, that none of you have the gumption to name names. What? That person isn’t on this web site? Bull!

I’m calling your bluff. Name the traitor. Or forever hold your tongue.

excon

Laura answered on 10/23/05:

I didn't reply to his post but I am assuming you meant this one:

Why do we as Americans, and also Christians, tolorate people who put down everything America does? They look for everything bad they can find to bash our men and women who are fighting for us. Trying to win a conflict, which has been going on for years. Have you thought about the reason behind this? I say that they are tying to turn the American people against our Government, against our leaders, it would not matter if they were Democrats or Republicans, and against our fighting men and women. This divides a country, and this is what they want. As an American, I know that there are some good things about our country. But I never hear these people say one single good thing about America. We must ask ourselves, why do I listen to these people, when I know that they only want to hurt me. These are not our friends! These are our enemies,
But the worst kind. They are sneaky. They use fine words, enticing words, and confusing words. They will play one of us against the other. They will play up to one, and make them think they are on their side. Then they will use them to bash another. Somewhere down the line, it will be you getting bashed. This whole thing is to divide, and conquer. If they can keep Americans fighting among ourselves, then we become an easy target. Remember what President Lincoln said, United we stand, divided we fall. Let us never for get this.

Your quote: "By the same token, bucker is not mythical to me. I imagine him to be white, old, southern, evangelical and red necked. He fits the bill perfectly. I have no problem naming him".

I take it there are no black, young, western, eastern or central, (evangelical I can accept) Red neck is a racial slur...as bad in my opinion as racial slurs toward blacks or any other race.... that believe as he does??? You don't know him..how can you name him?

Is it at all possible that some of his points could be valid?? No comment.

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Choux asked on 10/21/05 - Scared Straight

Last week, my physician gave me a copy of the Gospel of John suring our visit in my apartment. My blood pressure was in stroke out range, my blood sugar sky high as usual, and other alarming symptoms. I took it as that I was in "God's Hands".

Well, I have gained control of my blood sugar, and now instead of posting here with my blood sugar in the 300-400 range, it is in the 90-150 range.

I'm thinking my posts and answers may exhibit a little more sense going forward. Having blood sugar that high is kinda like being drunk.

But then, hey, maybe not! :=D



Dudes, have a series of great days till the day you die, that's what I'm going to do.

Laura answered on 10/21/05:

Please Choux..Be careful and take good care of yourself if you are taking medicine for your blood sugar..Eat when your doc says to eat.. My mom had high blood sugar and when she started taking meds she didn't follow all the rules..One night she started acting wierd..of course I wasn't home but my daughter was.. Mom started seeing things and couldn't even figure out what the TV controler was.. My daughter called 911 and moms blood sugar was 38!!! Talk about seeing things!! she was hallusenating..They gave her a shot and she was fine..but she learned a good lesson. You HAVE to eat several small meals a day or your blood sugar could go too low..That can put you into a coma..Please take care..Laura

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HANK1 asked on 10/21/05 - ROLE MODELS:




"Children need models rather than critics." - Joseph Joubert

That's ROLE models, folks. Are you a role model? (Tell the truth)

HANK

Laura answered on 10/21/05:

Sometimes I wonder Hank...sometimes I wonder. I've been successful in some areas and a miserable failure in others. Maybe I can do better by my grandchildren.

Someone posted this on another board that I frequent and I think that it really does have some merit.


I WISH FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN...


We tried so hard to make things better for our kids that we made them worse.
For my grandchildren, I'd like better.

I'd really like for them to know about hand me down clothes and homemade ice cream.
I really would.

I hope you learn humility by being humiliated, and that you learn honesty by being cheated.

I hope you learn to make your own bed and mow the lawn and wash the car -- and I really hope nobody gives you a brand new car when you are sixteen.

It will be good if at least one time you can see puppies born and your old dog put to sleep.

I hope you get a black eye fighting for something you believe in.

I hope you have to share a bedroom with your younger brother or sister -- and it's all right if you have to draw a line down the middle of the room, but when he or she wants to crawl under the covers with you because he's scared, I hope you let him.

When you want to see a movie and your little brother or sister wants to tag along, I hope you'll let them.

I hope you have to walk uphill to school with your friends and that you live in a town where you can do it safely.

On rainy days when you have to catch a ride, I hope you don't ask your driver to drop you two blocks away so you won't be seen riding with someone as un-cool as your Mom.

If you want a slingshot, I hope your Dad teaches you how to make one instead of buying one.

I hope you learn to dig in the dirt and read books.

When you learn to use computers, I hope you also learn to add and subtract in your head.

I hope you get teased by your friends when you have your first crush, and when you talk back to your mother that you learn what ivory soap tastes like.

May you skin your knee climbing a mountain, burn your hand on a stove and stick your tongue on a frozen flagpole.

I don't care if you try a beer once, but I hope you don't like it, and if a friend offers you dope or a joint, I hope you realize he is not your friend.

I sure hope you make time to sit on a porch with your Grandma or Grandpa and go fishing with your Uncle.

May you feel sorrow at a funeral and joy during the holidays.

I hope your mother punishes you when you throw a baseball through your neighbor's window and that she hugs you and kisses you when you give her a plaster mold of your hand.

These things I wish for you, to me it's the only way to appreciate life.

Sealed with a kiss..... Grandma

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Ccl471 asked on 10/19/05 - Discount Sellers of Christian Media

I found a website called Discount Christian Software. Their URL is:

http://www.christian-software.org/index.html

They are selling the Logos Scholar's Library Silver Edition for $749.96.

I used to think Christianbook.com had good prices, but they're selling the same item for $799.99.

Logos Bible Software's site is selling the item for full retail at $999.95.

Can you recommend me a website of Christian books, video, software, etc., that has even better prices than Discount Christian Software? (If such a site even exists)



Many thanks,

C.L.

Laura answered on 10/20/05:

Be VERY careful about buying this software from a source other than Logos. Authorized dealers can sell the Logos library online but they cannot sell the upgrade to silver. You have to go online to the Logos website and download the upgrade for $300. I have seen the library for as low as $449 but then you have to buy the upgrade. Read the small print.

Have you thought about Biblesoft? They have a very good program called PC Study Bible version's 1 through 5. I got version 4 and it's excellant. Retails at Mardels for $349. I got it online brand new for 155.50 at Ebay, but then again you have to be careful who you buy from.

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CeeBee2 asked on 10/19/05 - Are the Ten Commandments the basis for American Law?

One of the arguments most frequently given for the creation of Ten Commandments plaques, monuments, or displays on government property is that they are the foundation of American (or Western) law. Having the Ten Commandments displayed is thus supposed to be a way of acknowledging the roots of the US legal system. Is this really true?

Laura answered on 10/19/05:

There was a time when all of the commandments were honered and even by businesses on Sunday concerning the Sabbath. This is no longer the case in most business.

The first five relate to the relationship between man and God. The last five relate to the relationship between men toward one another.. I would think that at least those seem sensible to most anyone Christian or not.

I personally think that our founding fathers did use the ten commandments as a basis for our law. At least the last five anyway.

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ROLCAM asked on 10/19/05 - A VERY VEXED QUESTION ??

Tony, an 82-year-old expatriate with advanced lung cancer, had an overweening desire to go home there to lay his bones to rest. Unfortunately, he developed secondary cancer in his throat which prevented him taking food by mouth. The question posed to his carers was whether to give this person artificial nutrition and hydration to enable him to achieve his last wish and travel to his native land. Would this procedure be considered as "ordinary and proportionate and as such morally obligatory" or would it be considered to be unnecessary interference with the normal process of dying?

rolcam

Laura answered on 10/19/05:

Tony is able to make sound decisions as to his care. Of course his wishes should be honored. Inserting a feeding tube is a relatively simple procedure and he could provide himself with nutrients through it. For a person who is of sound mind and expresses a desire to have artificial nutrition it would be considered ordinary and proportionate. It would be illegal in the U.S. to deny it.

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ATON2 asked on 10/18/05 - "Not in Florida and Not in my State"!!!

For those of you who are as appalled as I over the new Shoot First Law in Florida, there is something you can do. Log on to www.ShootFirstLaw.Org and sign the petition to Jeb Bush to correct his horrendous mistake. "Tell Governor Bush he made a mistake. The people of Florida deserve better than to be gunned down by the short-tempered and trigger happy. They deserve better than to have the law put into the hands of private citizens."
The danger is that this criminally negligent law will not stop in Florida but will become, in today's climate of 'fear and loathing'...the law of the land.
America will become an armed camp of 'vigilantes' shooting at anything that moves....and that could include YOU!!!!! Stop the cowboys, NOW!!!!!

Laura answered on 10/18/05:

So...you are saying that although Florida has always been a haven for every criminal wishing to find anonymity in the sun.....that innocent law abiding citizens are not entitled to protect themselves, their loved ones and their property from this element??

This is not a disgraceful law.. It should be the law in every state..

The bad guys would think twice about assulting innocents in any fashion.

Yes there would be those who might kill in an attempt to fall back on the new law, but they had better have compelling evidence to prove that they were justified..Just as in a legal shooting under the new law..The evidence has to be clear and convincing.."I thought he might hurt me just wouldn't cut it"..

But there will also be fewer rapes, assults and thieves and murderers going about their business of terrorizing innocent people. They would think twice!!! Because justice for them might not have to wait until a trial and continuencss and such that last months and sometimes years while the innocent victim suffers the physical and emotional trauma.. Justice is served right there!! We'd save alot of tax dollars too.. No more lengthy trials, appeals...Every state should follow suit!!!

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STONY asked on 10/15/05 - IS GLUTTONY A SIN??

AND DOES SIN ULTIMATELY LEAD TO DEATH? LAST WEEK HERE IN FLA. A 13 FOOT LONG PYTHON CAPTURED AND ATE A 6 AND A HALF FOOT LONG ALIGATOR. THE SNAKE HAVING STRETCHED IT'S SKIN AS FAR AS POSSIBLE TO INGEST THE GATOR FOUND IT COULD NOT DIGEST THE ANIMAL AND EXPLODED. BOTH SNAKE AND GATOR WERE DESTROYED. DON'T KNOW IF THIS HIT THE NAT'L NEWS BUT IT WAS A "BIG" STORY DOWN HERE. SEEMS LIKE IF THE LAWS OF SIN AND DEATH CAN WORK ON ANIMALS THEN WE SHOULD BE EXTRA-WEARY THAT THEY APPLY TO US ALSO.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AND/OR OBSERVATIONS...

Laura answered on 10/15/05:

I saw that on the news this week. They showed a picture. It was gross. Gluttony in any form is a sin. Over eating leads to large weight gains, diabetis, heart troubles and a multitude of other problems that certainly can lead to an untimely death. Same with over indulging in alcohol and other harmful substences.

But the Word says that we die because of sin. The whole world is cursed because of sin. If sin had never entered the world, we would have lived eternally on this planet. But God in his mercy gave us a time limit. I wouldn't want to live in this sin cursed world forever. But I do want to live in the eternal perfect place that God has prepared for those who love Him.

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HANK1 asked on 10/14/05 - OLD AGE:



This is a new era when only masochists and the uninformed put up with the changes of aging. Masochists like pain and the uninformed don’t know any better. Do you concur?

HANK

Laura answered on 10/14/05:

Well..yeah...except for those who pay tons of money for crappy health care that doesn't cover much, those who don't HAVE health care, those who can't afford the cost of their medications, those who can't afford plastic surgery. Only the rich can defy the changes of aging.. And only to a degree..Everyone will die at some point.

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godot asked on 10/12/05 - Halloween

Halloween had a pagan origin and became secularised later. Should Christians participate in Halloween celebration?

Laura answered on 10/12/05:

We don't celebrate for our own personal convictions. But our children take their children to the zoo on Halloween. They celebrate and don't agree with us. I take it in stride. My husband gets annoyed and has to speak his peace. It's a matter of one's own personal views. Thankfully we haven't heard of pins in apples and razor blades in candy for some years now. I hope it stays that way. For awhile there it seemed downright dangerous to take part in Halloween.

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ATON2 asked on 10/10/05 - Strike up the band..Big Daddy is back!!!!

Still a bit jet lagged, but could not resist checking up on what you've done in my absence. What I find is pretty much what I left....still bashing Muslims, still posting Bible trivia, still arguing whether homosexuals can be Christians, still sticking the knives in each other over silly doctrinal differences...and still cutting and pasteing instead of offering thoughtful, personal responses!!! Nothing new except for some apallingly racist nonsense...and the mind-boggling assertion that God wiped out New Orleans because of gambling :) :) :) I was disappointed that the obscenities from our resident red necks were not more firmly censured...but not enough to break in on the game-playing...:) :) :)
No way I can catch up on all the questions posted in my absence; fortunately most were not worth answering anyway. However I will respond to some of the more interesting posts.
For those who missed me...Thanks!!! For those who did not...Live with it!!! :) :) :) I missed all of you..and that surprised me...a bit!
Sorry I did not get a chance to thank you for your good 'bon voyage' wishes. You all get five stars...as soon as I can dig up the posts.

To those NEW family members...welcome: I'll be either your worst nightmare or you your new best friend...Time alone will tell :) :) :)


Laura answered on 10/10/05:

Hello. Welcome back. Hope you had a great time!!!

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godot asked on 10/09/05 - disappointment

Were you disappointed with God when you lost a loved one? Maybe just a little bit?

Laura answered on 10/09/05:

When my father was diagnosed with cancer I wished that he had decided to do nothing about it except to take pain meds to keep the pain away.. The doc told him that with chemo and radiation he might have ten months to live but to leave it alone he might have three....He chose the chemo and radiation which took away his strenth and his mind...AND still he died within three months. NO pain, but no mind or strenth either... I would have rather him and us had fond memories of his last months.

When my mother was diagnosed terminal, she was given ONE month...... But she wanted to be with her family and cherish the last remaining time...She lived SEVEN months longer than the doctors had thought that she would... My only wish was that my mother's delemna would have ended sooner. Not that she was in pain, but that she would have been so much better off in the arms of God sooner.

I have NO ill will toward God at all. The choices we make are what we make. God gives peace and a sence of comfort when making those choices. I felt much more pain than my parents did.. Because I was NOT dying and because I had to learn to deal with it all. They had peace with their decisions... With me it was another matter... But I put that more upon myself and my selfishness than God..

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curious98 asked on 10/06/05 - Hurricane Stan

How come nobody seems to be paying any attention to Hurricane Stan?

Close to 300 dead between Guatemala and Mexico, and countless damages to property?

We have spent hours on a stretch discussing the problems created by Katrina and, to a lesser extent, by
Rita.

Stan was no less violent, but it did not hit the USA, fortunately for the Americans.

But those Hispanics are also human beings. And we are sending helping equipment to them too,,,

Any comments?

Curious98

Laura answered on 10/07/05:

Death toll from Hurricane Stan rises to 225 in Central America, Mexico

www.chinaview.cn 2005-10-07 12:45:55

A grief-stricken mother is crying for her dead children at the funeral in El Salvador Oct. 6, 2005. The pounding rains in El Salvador have already claimed 65 lives over the past days and the number of people evacuated reached 54,308, according to the authorities.
MEXICO CITY, Oct. 7 (Xinhuanet) -- The number of people killed by relentless downpours due to Hurricane Stan in Central America and Mexico rose to 225.

The death toll, however, could continue to climb, said the authorities Friday.

The death toll in Guatemala surged to 126 after another 47 bodies were found in the rural area of Santiago Atitlan.

Meanwhile, the pounding rains in El Salvador have already claimed 65 lives over the past days and the number of people evacuated reached 54,308, according to the authorities.

******** Salvadorean President Antonio Saca expressed his gratitude to the nations which have offered El Salvador assistance, including Mexico, France, the United States, Italy, Colombia, Germany, Panama and Venezuela. **********

The authorities confirmed that the death toll in Mexico rose to 18 as of Thursday and Stan also left at least two dead in Costa Rica, four in Honduras, including three children.

Hurricane Stan, ranking at category one, the lowest on the five-step Saffir-Simpson scale, also affected Cuba, where no victims have been reported yet.

This year's Atlantic hurricane season, which runs from June 1 to Nov. 30, has been one of the deadliest and most active on record.

Hurricane Katrina, which slashed the US Gulf Coast on Aug. 29, was one of the worst natural disasters in the country's history, killing at least 1,212 people, displacing millions of others and costing the country up to 200 billion US dollars. Enditem

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arcura asked on 10/06/05 - Here are some questions about Atheism ...........

How loyal to the idea that there is no God is the person who claims to be an atheist?
Does he insist on the right to express his non deist views?
Will he argue and discuss deism insisting that there is know scientific evidence that God exists?
Does he enthusiastically reject other forms of proof such as logic or philosophy about the existence of a deity?
Does he argue that religion is the worship of a deity?
Does he believe that there is no god?
If so one can conclude that, yes, the person is and atheist.
Also that he has a system of beliefs even if it in a belief in nothing.
In 1965 the Supreme Court of the United Sates of America held that belief in a deity is not essential for a system of beliefs to be a religion under our laws.
Isn’t that interesting?

Laura answered on 10/07/05:

First of all, I don't see how anyone could say "unequivicolly" that there is no God. There is no evidence to disprove the existence of God. So IMHO there cannot be any athiests in the world. Not if they approach the question logically and honestly. At least believers have something to fall back on..."their faith".

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sarnian asked on 10/05/05 - More questions for christians ...............

Accordingly to the bible : "How should a rebellious and stubborn son be treated by his parents?"

Laura answered on 10/05/05:

"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; Then shall his father and mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)

We live in a society today that would never tolerate this kind of behavior from parents..Now we are taught to tolerate the behavior of the children. Maybe God was TRYING to make a point rather than a written in stone command..Perhaps he was trying to get us to understand that dicipline and love given in the proper amounts to a child from the beginning will PREVENT anyone from ever having to do something like that to a child. After all, if I had that kind of command I would see to it that my children behaved because I love them and wouldn't want that to happen to them.

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excon asked on 10/05/05 - The Right to Die


Hello Christians:

If I were terminally ill, headed for a painful death within six months, should I be allowed to end my life? Should a doctor be allowed to prescribe medicines (drugs) that will end my life? If a doctor does that, should he be prosecuted by the DEA as an illegal drug dealer? Should a state decide what medical procedures it allows or should the feds? How will Roberts vote? Will the Oregon "Death with Dignity Act" be affirmed? Is there a Christian position on the matter?

excon

Laura answered on 10/05/05:

Doctors over the last several years have made great advancements in the management of pain in the terminally ill. They have finally gotten it through their heads that giving a patient enough pain medication to effectively relieve pain when they are terminally ill is not a bad thing. I used to laugh when I would hear of doctor's fear of causing a patient to get "addicted"..So what!! They are dying.

I saw my father go through cancer. He had it in his lungs, liver, brain...His pain management was excellent. I never saw him in unmanagable pain at all. I saw my mother go through heart failure and COPD. She as well never had severe pain. The doctors saw to it.

I think that the only benifitial thing about a person recieving medicines to end their life is that they would not feel the actual discomfort of the dying process. Actually it is usually more painful for loved one's than for the patient.

Our former neighbor (my husbands best friend) had cancer as well and his pain management was great.

I know these things because of my experiences with hospice.

As a Christian I believe that the dying process is simply an inevitable crossing over from mortality to immortality. Death to life. I personally would want the dying process to go naturally. I personally believe that it would be suicide to end your life with these medications. Thou shalt not kill I believe includes one's self. I cannot speak for others.

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paraclete asked on 10/04/05 - Did you get the message?

We in the west have missed the point of all the Muslim based mayhem throughout the world, appearently in the opinion of Muslims, they are God's messengers. Could this be why they are so slow to denounce terrorism and suicide attacks?


Bashir calls Bali attacks warning from God
October 5, 2005 - 1:18AM

A Muslim cleric jailed for the 2002 Bali bombings says the latest attacks on the Indonesian resort island are a warning from God.

No one has claimed responsibility for the suicide attacks that struck popular restaurants in Bali at the weekend, killing 22, but suspicion has fallen on the al-Qaeda linked regional terror group Jemaah Islamiah.

JI has also been blamed for the 2002 Bali bombings that killed 202 people, mostly foreign tourists, the Australian embassy attack in Jakarta last year and the Marriott bombing the year before.

From his prison cell, Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir - the group's alleged spiritual leader - condemned the attack but also said in a statement yesterday that last weekend's attacks were a sign of God's displeasure with the Indonesian government.

"I suggest the government bring themselves closer to God by implementing his rules and laws because these happenings are warnings from God for all of us," said Bashir, convicted of conspiracy over the 2002 Bali attacks.

Meanwhile, News Ltd newspapers reported today that Bashir's name is on a list of prisoners eligible to have their sentences cut.

In August, Bashir's 30-month sentence for his part in the 2002 Bali bombings was cut by four and a half months to commemorate Indonesia's independence day.

It could now be cut by a further 30 days, News Ltd said.

A Cipinang prison official in charge of compiling the list of prisoners eligible for remission to mark the end of Ramadan on November 4, said Bashir's name was on the list, along with those of 27 other convicted terrorists.

The list is to be submitted to justice officials next week.

A spokeswoman for the Australian embassy in Jakarta said it was maintaining efforts to keep Bashir in prison.

AAP, AP

Laura answered on 10/04/05:

From his prison cell, Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir - the group's alleged spiritual leader - condemned the attack but also said in a statement yesterday that last weekend's attacks were a sign of God's displeasure with the Indonesian government.

Doesn't that sound a bit "two faced"!!!!..I could be wrong...............

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ROLCAM asked on 10/03/05 - Simple Questions ?? A YES or A NO would suffice.

An important follow on to a previous post.

God had to make that choice!

1)Did GOD send HIS SON to earth to save us?

2)Did JESUS die on the cross?

3)Was JESUS resurrected on the third day?

Just to help you:-
The above three questions are rhetorical.

ROLCAM.

Laura answered on 10/04/05:

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes

Why would you say they are rhetorical questions?

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godot asked on 10/03/05 - Salvation

The thief who was crucified beside Jesus was promised salvation and paradise in his final moments of life although he committed many sins and was not baptized.
This shows that when a person repents of his/her sins and believes in Christ, the person would receive salvation, and it is never too late for the person to do that.
Do you agree?

Laura answered on 10/04/05:

If a person believes and trusts in Christ he should follow the instructions the Bible gives and get baptized. But if he or she is in a situation (as the thief on the cross was)where they believe but are not in a position to be baptized I hardly doubt that God would reject that person's faith. P.S. I'm sure that God knows if the person coming to Him is sincere and that is what counts.

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bucker asked on 10/02/05 - What would you do?

There was a man, who was a switchmen for the railroad. At a certain time each day, he had to cross this long railroad trestle each day to switch the rails. If not this train would go down the bank into the lake. All people on board would have been killed. One day he heard the train coming, and bent over to switch the rails, when looking up, he saw something that almost stopped his heart. He little boy was coming to his dad. He was half way across the trestle.
He had a choice. Not switch the train and save his son, and let all the people on the train die. Or he could switch the rails, and save all the people, but that would kill his son... What choice would you make? God had to make that choice!

Laura answered on 10/03/05:

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one.....In alot of ways in this country it's becoming the opposite. I read about a Jewish school in N.Y. that back in 2001 decided not to celebrate Mothers day or Father's day anymore in their arts and writing program. Officials claim their decision was based on a number of factors but one parent boasted that he had persuaded the board to change their policy because he is a gay father who felt that his child, whom he and his partner had adopted might be "uncomfortable" with it.

Is that meeting the needs of the many? NOPE..the few.

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CeeBee2 asked on 10/02/05 - Clickable link

1. First know that AW has its own rules on how to make a clickable link. What you do on AW won't work elsewhere.

2. Find the web site or web page (url) that you want to use. I will use the MSN homepage address.

3. Copy that url from the address box at the top of your screen: http://www.msn.com/

4. Paste that url in an AW answer box and delete the final backslash if there is one: http://www.msn.com

5. Surround the url with: <(no space)A(space)H(no space)R(no space)E(no space)F=http://www.msn.com(space)>MSN Home Page(space)<(no space)/A(no space)>

6. With appropriate spaces deleted or left in, you will get: MSN Home Page

Laura answered on 10/02/05:

Actually it worked on your previous post too!! :-) I tried it. Thanks for the info.

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excon asked on 10/01/05 - Bill Bennett


Hello Christians:

What do you think of the man of the right, the guy who wrote a book on virtue - Bill Bennett? He thinks you could lower the crime rate by aborting all the black babies. He gambles his ass off, and he thinks I should be in jail for the rest of my life because I smoke pot.

No wonder the country's gone to hell in a handbasket.

excon

Laura answered on 10/01/05:

My eyes about popped out of my head when I saw a newscast with his comments about black babies. Doesn't he know that white folks are involved in the more serious drug culture like crack than black folks? There are more white people in jail due to drug related offences.. BTW I am a Christian. If pot was legal, i'd probably smoke it. Responsibly and in moderation of course :-).

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arcura asked on 09/29/05 - Please pray for me..................................

I have double pneumonia and with my diabetes it’s very difficult to heal up.
I’m very sick and in pain.
So I ask all my friends here to please keep me in your prayers.
Thanks,
May God bless you all!
Fred

Laura answered on 09/29/05:

You are in my prayers and in my thoughts.. Please feel better soon.. Laura

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HANK1 asked on 09/28/05 - JUST WONDERING ... AGAIN:



What do you think about not allowing any copy and paste questions, answers, comments, clarifications and follow-ups for one week on this Board? Would you be 'dead in the water' or would you be able to 'swim?'

Please comment ... if you will!

HANK

Laura answered on 09/28/05:

I wouldn't mind, with the exception of scripture..I don't need carpel tunnel. I don't cut and paste much. But I also don't have a problem with cut and paste..

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sarnian asked on 09/26/05 - Question on Christianity (5) .................................


Accordingly to the Bible : where does God live?
Note : it is NOT in heaven, nor on a planet between the sun and the stars (the Mormon answer)
Actually there are TWO totally opposing answers to this question.
But than that's normal in the bible .....

Laura answered on 09/27/05:

Actually God lives in seventh heaven...He also lives in darkness. You need to stop doing so many "freedom from religion" quizzes :-)

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Erewhon asked on 09/26/05 - Sin - rebelling against God's will

Origen said,

'no one is clean from sin, even if his life has only been for one day.'

He bases his doctrine on the LXX version of Job 14.4-5.

Is a child having been alive for but one day capable of sin.

If so, what manner of sins can the babe commit?

Laura answered on 09/26/05:

Well I've read several differant versions of Job 14. None of the other one's that I read gave me the impression that this reffered to an infant:

NIV
1 "Man born of woman
is of few days and full of trouble.
2 He springs up like a flower and withers away;
like a fleeting shadow, he does not endure.
3 Do you fix your eye on such a one?
Will you bring him [a] before you for judgment?
4 Who can bring what is pure from the impure?
No one!
5 Man's days are determined;
you have decreed the number of his months
and have set limits he cannot exceed.
6 So look away from him and let him alone,
till he has put in his time like a hired man.
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KJV
[1] Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble.
[2] He cometh forth like a flower, and is cut down: he fleeth also as a shadow, and continueth not.
[3] And dost thou open thine eyes upon such an one, and bringest me into judgment with thee?
[4] Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.
[5] Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;
[6] Turn from him, that he may rest, till he shall accomplish, as an hireling, his day.
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Amplified
1MAN WHO is born of a woman is of few days and full of trouble.
2He comes forth like a flower and withers; he flees also like a shadow and continues not.
3And [Lord] do You open Your eyes upon such a one, and bring me into judgment with You?
4Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one!(A)
5Since a man's days are already determined, and the number of his months is wholly in Your control, and he cannot pass the bounds of his allotted time--
6[O God] turn from him [and cease to watch him so pitilessly]; let him rest until he has accomplished as does a hireling the appointed time for his day.

I won't pretend to understand exactly what the reference is to but I don't think that it is geared toward an infant. A newborn has no knowledge of "sin" and therefore cannot commit it. Until the age of accountability (which differs from person to person)a child is innocent in the eyes of God.

The LXX is the only one that I found that put it like that!!

14:1 For a mortal born of a woman is short lived, and full of wrath. 2 Or he falls like a flower that has bloomed; and he departs like a shadow, and cannot continue. 3 Hast thou not taken account even of him, and caused him to enter into judgment before thee? 4 For who shall be pure from uncleanness? not even one; 5 if even his life should be but one day upon the earth: and his months are numbered by him: thou hast appointed him for a time, and he shall by no means exceed it.

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Erewhon asked on 09/26/05 - Was Doctor AA Hodge right?

AA Hodge, Doctor of Divinity, and author of such works as: "Commentary of the Confession of Faith with Questions for Theological Students and Bible Classes," ventured his opinion that:

"It is capable of exact demonstration that if every party in the State has the right of excluding from public schools whatever he does not believe to be true, then he that believes most must give way to him that believes least, and then he that believes least must give way to him that believes absolutely nothing, no matter in how small a minority the atheists or agnostics may be.

It is self-evident that on this scheme, if it is consistently and persistently carried out in all parts of the country, the United States system of national popular education will be the most efficient and widespread instrument for the propagation of atheism which the world has ever seen."

Is this happening in the USA now? If so, why?

Laura answered on 09/26/05:

Just by what the doctor wrote along with Choux's statistics in her answer leads me to believe that we are well on the road to concluding that his statement will ultimately "become" correct.

My reasoning for this is that 90% of Whites, 88% Hispanic and 93% Black are having their right to pray taken away from them in the public school setting. As well as their ability to have an alternate view other than evolution taught, as well as anything that resembles a religious icon of any kind whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim or any othr faith. And every day something else is taken away from the majority by the minority.. That is the point the good doctor was trying to make.

It is self-evident that on this scheme, if it is consistently and persistently carried out in all parts of the country, the United States system of national popular education will be the most efficient and widespread instrument for the propagation of atheism which the world has ever seen."

Looks like the end result to me!


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Lazlow asked on 09/22/05 - Homosexuals- What will we do without them

A hot topic in christianity today, or religion in that matter, is homosexuals and homosexuality. Though I have made some crude jokes about them, I've never made a post directed to the subject. To be honest, I don't think it's such a taboo anymore. There have been queers among us for centuries, friends, but today we discuss our cold feelings toward it more than ever because we're bombarded with it every passing day, and do I blame you? No. Not at all. You have every right to speak your mind just as they do, but my Lazlow half says they have every right at attempting to persuade you into accepting them and treating them equally, which they deserve; they pay taxes too, serve their country in many ways, even serve in religious things (gay bishops?). So why not let them be as miserable as we are? They're called Gay for a reason.
Anyway, what made me think of this post wasn't all the other topics about fags, but a commercial I saw last night. As I said, we are being bombarded with the message "We are gay, accept us or die you pig facist", and this is what I disagree with them the most. You may not know this, but gay people hate heterosexuals. And I know this not just by statistical reasons, but by knowing several gay people.
Is it right to shove your business and sexual preferences down every one's throat?
No? Then why is it right to shove religious beliefs and warnings of impending doom down everyones throat?
--- That's the only opposition I have with christians on this subject. If the bible says "Men shall not lie with men", then it is said, obey it. So christians have every right to oppose it, and I say to you "FIGHT THE POWER!"... But being we're in america, you should think about what I asked in my last paragraph.
Okay, I'm carrying on. I just want to hear some reactions to what I said. I always appreciate the ones who reply with an answer more than the ones badmouthing me. And that's how I will rate all of you. Sarnian complains of grey stars, well if you reply to me and stick to the subject you'll get five stars, if it strays from the subject, you get grey. THERE.
Now, getting back to that commercial, you have to hear this. It was on FOX or something late at night, around 2:00AM, you know, when all those 1-800-WET-HOT-JAILBAIT-ASS commercials come on... There was one for gay men... It was funny. It went something like "I'm looking for a man that can satisfy my needs", EW! What do you think about this behaviour? I'm not asking if gay people SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do this, I'm asking if their being respectful to themselves, or mocking themselves?
My opinion, is their mocking themselves. They know they will never be accepted into this culture, that they're not going to persuade us into liking them, why don't they just stay in the closet where it's safe? Or at least not make a big deal about it.
In response to Hope12's armaggedon question, I replied with something along the lines of, what we have to go through today is nothing like the events Lot encountered, so I'm not worried of impending doom... something like that. Anyway, is America turning into Sodom and Ghomorah (help w/spelling pl), is the devil using homosexuals like this to turn America into a gay nation? Commercials are there to corrupt the minds, this is not my insanity talking, this is just plain fact.
It seems the human mind is more vulnerable when placed in front of a high priced advertisement, whatever the product may be, it's goal is to make you want it, crave it, sell your children to buy whatever it is they're trying to sell you. My christian half says that GAY PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND THEY WANT TO CORRUPT YOU, and they're doing it people! Just look at what your teenagers are watching on TV, homosexuality turned into a fad in the early 2000's, now with the gay marriage thing, it's going to be a major lifestyle among YOUR YOUTH.

Laura answered on 09/23/05:

Stony brought up a point that God did not create anything defective..Yet we live in a fallen world and indeed there are flaws. What about hermaphrodites? Some of these people were surgically altered before doctors came to realize that they were gender oriented the other way.. What about them? Do they live their lives in a body that they were given not of their choosing and yet have the emotions and feelings of someone of the opposite sex? If they have not been altered how do they live? There is alot that we just don't understand.. I will leave all of this to God to judge. He can do a much better job than I. I will try my best to live my life the way that I feel God wants me to..Judgement is His. Not mine.

If I see something that I do not approve of on TV I will turn the knob. I have taught my children what I believe to be truth. It is up to them to do what they believe to be truth. That's all anyone can do.

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Erewhon asked on 09/22/05 - Do all Christians agree with this statement?



"We desire the good will of all mankind, and we desire the advancement of all mankind, and we pray God to bless every man that is striving for the betterment of humanity in any walks of life; and we say of every man who believes that Jesus is the Christ and who proclaims it: O God, bless that man. But we cannot pray for those who pretend to preach the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and deny the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, and who proclaim that he was only a man. Jesus is the Redeemer of the world, the Savior of mankind, who came to earth with a divinely appointed mission to die for the redemption of mankind. Jesus Christ is literally the Son of God, the Only Begotten in the flesh. He is our Redeemer, and we worship him, and we praise God for every individual upon the face of the earth who worships our Lord and Master as the Redeemer of the world"


-- Heber Jedediah Grant

Do all Christians agree with this statement? Please to make your answer from a Christian perspective.

:)

Laura answered on 09/22/05:

No I do not agree at all. We should pray "especially" for those who don't believe in the hopes that they will come to the knowledge and truth of the Gospel. Goodness!!!

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sarnian asked on 09/21/05 - Question on Christianity (3) ...................

Does God have a name? And if so, what is God's name?

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

There are many refferences to how people have addressed God in the Bible.. He says "I am that I am". A most reverent reference by God Himself concerning Himself.

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Choux asked on 09/21/05 - Plane Crash

A jet plane is going to make a "crash landing" in Southern California. On CNN live. They have to dump fuel and find the softest possible place to land.

Offering up good thoughts.

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

I'm going to stop watching the news and tune in to you every day instead! LOL I'm just teasing.. I think your great Choux. Grumpy Laura P.S. I saw that they landed safely.

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Choux asked on 09/21/05 - Galveston

On cable TV, I just say film of the city of Galveston from the air and the tall cement wall protecting the island city. On the weather map, a level 5 hurricane bearing down on the city, people evacuating....If Galveston gets the hit like NO, those walls won't be enough. Here we go again.

"Galveston, oh Galveston, I still hear your sea winds blowin'
I still see her dark eyes glowin'
She was 21 when I left Galveston

Galveston, oh Galveston, I still hear your sea waves crashing
While I watch the cannons flashing
I clean my gun and dream of Galveston

I still see her standing by the water
Standing there lookin' out to sea
And is she waiting there for me?
On the beach where we used to run

Galveston, oh Galveston, I am so afraid of dying
Before I dry the tears she's crying
Before I watch your sea birds flying in the sun
At Galveston, at Galveston"

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

I've been humming that song all day long.. Wierd...My thoughts are with all those in the path. I saw a computer generated pic of what would happen if this hurrican hits Galveston at it's current strenth or even a little less and the city would be under water almost completely. Gosh..We may get up to fifteen inches of rain and some tornadoes from this storm. They expect it to stall over Oklahoma for about three days or so.. Preparing just in case.

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MaggieB asked on 09/21/05 - Pray for Bobbye

Please pray for those along the Gulf Coast and Texas Panhandle as Rita roars toward them as a category 5 hurricane. Pray that they will have the means to leave and will respond to evacuating plans. Bobbye, an expert that many of us have known for 4-5 years lives in Houston and her last e-mail to me today between 3-4 pm said she was getting ready to leave for another town in TX for safety, keep her in your prayers as well as her family for safe traveling.

Thank you,
MaggieB

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

Thank you for letting us know Maggie. Bobbye is in my prayers as well as anyone else in the path of this storm.. Gosh!! I can't believe another one so soon. We are having to prepare to some degree as well. Our weather people are telling us that the storm will likely stall over Oklahoma and we could get as much as three days of possible tornadoes but mostly heavy rain and up to 15 inches of it. Preparing just in case. God bless. Laura

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 09/21/05 - The return of Jesus

Some of you guys talk a lot about Christ's imminent
return to earth. I would love to know how you would recognise & receive him.

Please spare me the clouds & trumpets! stuff.

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

But Pete!! Without the clouds and trumpets some of us might not recognize His return! No...really.. There are alot of people who appear to walk the walk and talk the talk.. As Jesus would.. Perhaps that is exactly why the use of "clouds and trumpets"..Litterally!!!! No one else could do that! And no one else has promised to. Just a thought :-)

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Itsdb asked on 09/21/05 - Rita

Is Bush sending hurricane Rita to Texas to finish off the poor and/or black evacuees or to show how efficient he can be this time?

Steve

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

ROTFLMAO!!!!Somehow I don't think that Bush has "that" much control!!! :-)

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hOPE12 asked on 09/21/05 - The time of the end!

Hello Everyone,

Do you believe that we are living in the last days of this world as we know it?

Do you believe that we are living in the last days that Jesus spoke about?

If so, what makes you believe we are?

If not, what is your reasoning on this matter?

Take care,
Hope12

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

"Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, ' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. [Matthew 24:4-14]

I believe that we are in the midst of the "birth pains" of the last days. We can see today by the lack of tolerence and general dispising by people who don't believe towards those who faithfully follow the Lord and His Word that we aren't far from worldwide persecution of Christians. Already we are seeing people falling away from true Chrisitanity and leaning towards false religions "anti-christ" practices all in the name of the God of the Bible.

I don't believe that Jesus would have warned us about this if it wasn't going to happen at some point.

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paraclete asked on 09/21/05 - Time for the Church to get real about where it's money comes from?

Mexico warns church on drug-tainted money

Wednesday, September 21, 2005 Posted: 0150 GMT (0950 HKT)

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- A spokesman for President Vicente Fox on Tuesday warned that no one may accept illegal funds, responding to a Roman Catholic bishop's statement that the church has no obligation to investigate whether donations come from drug trafficking.

The exchange between church and state officials came the week after Pope Benedict XVI lamented that Mexican society was troubled by corruption, drug trafficking and organized crime, during a meeting with bishops from northern and central Mexico at the Vatican.

"At no time, under no condition, may anyone receive illegal money," said Fox spokesman Ruben Aguilar. "No one may in this way aid in the laundering of money, and nobody can be in favor of organized crime acting with impunity."

Aguilar was responding to comments made Monday by Roman Catholic Bishop Ramon Godinez, of the central state of Aguascalientes, who said that donations linked to drug trafficking are not out of the ordinary -- and that it's not the church's responsibility to investigate their origin.

"If they have money, they have to spend it; I don't know why such a scandal has been made of this," Godinez said in a follow-up interview with the Televisa television network Tuesday. "If a drug trafficker gives, we are not going to investigate if he's a trafficker or not.

"Let me explain: We live on this, on the offerings of the faithful. And we do not investigate where they acquired the money."

On Monday, the bishop said money can start out being dirty but "can be transformed" when it enters the church, Mexican news media reported.

Church officials could not be reached directly for comment Tuesday.

Mexican Attorney General Daniel Cabeza de Vaca downplayed the bishop's comments.

"I don't interpret it as a confession," Cabeza de Vaca said. "There is no clear intention of money laundering. ... What the bishop said is that they could be receiving money from drug trafficking."

Pope Benedict XVI last week described the danger posed to Mexican society by drug trafficking and corruption.

"All this leads to various forms of violence, indifference and contempt for the inviolable value of life," the pope said.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press

is another scandal in the making, the Church on the make? or is it the take?

Laura answered on 09/21/05:

I have never been to a Catholic or Protestent church that asked me where my contributions to the church were coming from. I'm not saying that it's right to accept money if it's origin is questionable but I can't see how they could prevent it.

The moral question remains.. Is it right to use something aquired of which it's origins were evil and use it for good??

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bucker asked on 09/18/05 - ----- LETTER FROM A LA. RESIDENT


Those of us in La. know who screwed up this disaster. Our Governor, the levee board, the Corps of Engineers and the New Orleans Mayor are primarily to blame with the incompetence of FEMA being secondary. By the way, things have improved significantly. We give credit to our armed forces who have taken the pressure off of local law enforcement allowing them to regain control of our cities. I've often wondered why New Orleans police have a reputation for being tough, no nonsense guys -- I now Understand.

The looting here has been bad. You won't see it on TV, since we're not even close to being newsworthy considering all the deprivation, death and suffering being reported. Our parish took in the first 600 evacuees, and put them up in one of our brand new high schools located next to I-10. In l0 hours they had trashed the school, torn out urinals, ripped the bleachers out of the gym and trashed the classrooms and computers. We moved them, plus 600 more to a place across the Interstate at an expo center. By Tuesday night, there were 3 car jackings and 3 armed robberies. So we had to call in our deputies, police and Nat'l Guard troops to guard the evacuees.

Most of our law enforcement had been down in NO working the rescue mission. The same stories apply to BR, only multiply the numbers 10 fold. My godson/nephew is the chief of the K-9 Department in Shreveport, 250 miles north of BR. He had been in NO working on the rescue till now, except he has been called back to Shreveport tonight to protect against the looting there.

Mandy works for a doctor in a clinic next to our small hospital in Gonzales. It's situated across the Interstate from the evacuee center. At 11 AM yesterday (Thursday), the police locked down the hospital and the clinic to protect them from looters. The clinic closed down at 2 PM and the medical staff got escorts out of the vicinity.

The national news seems to carry a constant theme of Louisiana politicians crying "shame, shame America". "Where's the government?" It's the mantra de jour. Our governor had the power to declare martial law and commandeer school buses to evacuate the N.O. folks. She did not. Her news conferences are unscheduled, unformatted ramblings, punctuated with tears and calls for help and prayers......but not much information or direction. She has been noticeably absent from sight today since the President toured.

Maybe I can't see the forest for the trees here, but I don't want any of you "Americans out there" to accept any blame for the lack of immediate response when it was clearly the responsibility of local and state government officials.

Frank H. Kean, III1614 LaSalle ParcBaton Rouge, La. 70806













































Laura answered on 09/19/05:

All you have to do is to type "looting in baton rouge" into Google and you will see article after article saying that these allegations and rumors are FALSE!!! But sadly you will also read how some in BR don't really want the evacuees in their town.. So much for neighborly kindness.

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Najam asked on 09/15/05 - Sin Eater?

Dear Expert,
I watched a movie with a story which revolved around a concept of "Sin Eating". A Sin Eater is a person who performed a ritual on a dying peron and took up that person's sin. Can you explain if any such thing exists in Christianity or any of it different beliefs??

Najam Riaz

Laura answered on 09/15/05:

I saw an x files episode about a sin eater.. It was gross.. He would litterely "eat" people who had terminal diseases, puke them back up and they would re-form in perfect health.. While he took on the grotesque pain and the appearence of their diseases. It was pretty pitiful.. The people of the town actually kept him captive to meet their selfish needs at his expence. They don't exist in reality. Actually it's a terrible thought!

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sissypants asked on 09/12/05 - prayer request

please keep itgolf in your prayers in the next few days. he is in the hospital

Laura answered on 09/13/05:

My prayers are with Leon. Stay strong!! Laura

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Liz22_The_Terrorist asked on 09/12/05 - This is not a library! booga booga booga

Booga jihad! Shirpa Lar! Booga Jihad! Dirk Dirka lar! Shirpa shirpa booga gravy! I said this is not a library my friend, leave store now!

Laura answered on 09/12/05:

DaH HIHoH

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sarnian asked on 09/10/05 - Teaching Americans what to do ! :)

At the moment I tell the compuetr to type this it is 9-11.
Already 4 years. It's hard to believe. And now we have the Gulf disaster again.

I just saw an ARD short tv documentary on American media coming to Europe ivo the New Orleans disaster.
Specially in the Netherlands US teams of ABC, NBC, and CNN have reported on the dutch sea walls, specially there because the Netherlands suffered a similar disaster in 1953 , when dykes broke in a hurrican-type situation, and lot's of land flooded.

Richard Quest of CNN made a documentary there on how the dutch reacted, and build a complex system of new dykes and sluices to protect their polders from flooding again.
It's good to see that the media are interested in overseas solutions to common problems.
Only problem is that the costs of these meassures at today's prices would be in the order of 300-400 billion dollars.

Have you seen this CNN documentary?

Laura answered on 09/10/05:

I heard on a news report the other day that the U.S. was going to consult with the dutch engineers about the N.O. dykes.. I don't know if it was true or not.

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Choux asked on 09/09/05 - Is this Ethical?

The paramedics left about a half hour ago, and while they were here, one of them told me that last night in New Orleans, the police patroling came across a criminal shooting at a medivac vehicle. They took positions and shot the sniper dead.

Then, they left the sniper in the street as a warning to others.

Do you think leaving the sniper in the street was moral/ethical??

Laura answered on 09/10/05:

Glad you aren't hurt Choux. I don't know if it's moraly/ethically right to do that. I don't feel right about it.

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kindj asked on 09/09/05 - Why?

In recent times when disaster has struck--be it man made or natural--we have seen communities pulling together for the common good. Stories of personal sacrifice and heroism abound.

So why is this one different?

Are there no such stories to tell? Did the city of New Orleans fall too far into their "do your own thing" lifestyle, so that when disaster came, their attitude was "I'm doing my own thing for me, and to hell with you?" Why are we hearing so many stories of looting, rape, murder, gang activity, drug use/dealing, etc? Did these not ever go on in the other disasters, or is something different this time?

I have some ideas, but I'm just curious what your take is on it.

DK

Laura answered on 09/09/05:

I won't get into all the politics of the situation..We've been discussing that all week and there's plenty of blame to go around..

1. I really think that part of it was geography.. Florida, Mississippi and other coastal states don't have cities built like a fish bowl. Unfortunitely Louisiana has New Orleans. After the dykes broke it became a logistical nightmare.

2. Neither race or poverty is an excuse for criminal behavior at the expence of the lives of others expecially. Against your own city and your own neighbors no less!! The criminals have no excuse in my opinion. Unfortunitely because of the delay in getting help, more people had more time to commit their crimes. Under the same or similar circumstances there are probably many cities that would fall prey to the same fate.

3. Help because of whoever or whatever came too little too late for alot of people who lost their lives because of the delay..We may never know exactly how many that is because we don't know who died when the flood came or during the storm during the first or second day. The only one's we know for sure are those poor folks who died at the dome waiting for help to come..Or those on the streets that were dry who were waiting for help to come.. It's so very sad isn't it.

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revdauphinee asked on 09/08/05 - 7 day wonder

plese dont let this be like 9/11! forgoten so soon I dont mean to harp on this but the suffering is still going on and will be for months and I am so afraid people will tire of hearing about the destruction and so soon forget !I am truly worried about this !People are still suffering down here!go on with your lives but please dont forget we still cant and many never will!

Laura answered on 09/08/05:

Dorothy. It sounds to me like you might be suffering from some post traumatic stress.. And I mean that seriously and not in jest. Please take care of yourself. I don't think a day goes by in America that we are not reminded of 9/11. And I know that until all the states effected by Katrina are back on track and folks back home, we will not soon forget..It is part of America now. It's one for the history books for sure. Take care and God bless you and give you peace of mind. Laura

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sapphire630 asked on 09/08/05 - From what I understand

1. Clinton cut much of the budget for the levee way before Bush cut it some more....and much of what WAS meant for the levee money THE MAYOR used toward culture activities, water fountains and other landscaping and architechial type things.
2. It is the local governments (THE MAYORS) job to evacuate its people; NOT Washington's.
3. New Orleans DID have an evacuation plan; but THE MAYOR and governor did not think (or maybe even didn't care) how serious the damage would be.
4. FEMA and the Red Cross could not do anything to help the situation until THE MAYOR or governor signed for them to have the go ahead....which didn't happen til way too late.
5. While us outsiders are trying to find ways in to help THE MAYOR is forcing the residents out...instead of getting their help as well.
6. Instead of coming together and focusing on dealing with the problem the focus is diverted to the blame game; AND THE MAYOR is more concerned about sending his police force to Las Vegas since they are so stressed...(shouldn't that come after the immediate problems are resolved)
7. 'They' are *better off now* because they were impoverished anyway....(Barbara Bush)
and now the government can go in there and build expensive condo's without worrying what to do with these *impoverished* people....
...So it is a win-win situation since many of these *impoverished* walked off with T.V.'s, jewelry and other items they otherwise couldn't afford to even touch...(Celine Dion)
and the local government THE MAYOR has Eminent Domain due to nature...no fault of their own...they can now build million dollar mansion,etc...and attract the rich....while *the impoverished* are distributed throughout the U.S.A. no longer the mayors concern....
I could go on about all this mess...

but bottom line:
seems to me THE MAYOR has the brunt of the blame
...talk about making my head spin.

Well if my *impoverished* truck miraculously heals
I hope to go to somewhere between the Mississippi mud and the ragin' cajun's to help whatever way I can....so please pray for my luck to change enough that I can manage it.

Laura answered on 09/08/05:

This view IMHO is a bit harsh.. First of all many of the people of New Orleans, while poor "owned" their homes and the land they are on.. I don't think any government can take that away from them without a darn good reason. Somehow I think that the american people would rise up strongly in protest if anyone tried. When that city is livible again i'll bet that most will return. It is their home.

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revdauphinee asked on 09/07/05 - donations

folks if you donate to the red cross during this crisis do not do so on line many scam sites are appearing and the money is being diverted to Brazil somewhere if you can donate do it to your local red cross office and not by credit card on line .Thank you
Dorothy

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

I have given to www.redcross.org That is a legit site.!!! From here on out I am giving to my dog. Otherwise I will "donate" my time to organizations in my area which I can visually "see". I SEE Plenty.....God bless. Laura... P.S. Tonight I have made my bed.. I must lie in it now. P.P. S.S. Only "I" know what I am talking about here.. So ..so.......so.....................so................so.................

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Choux asked on 09/07/05 - Iran Offers Huge AMount of Oil

Iran has offered the United Stated a very large amount of free oil to help us through the current crisis in Louisiana, Miss, Alabama.

Just one catch. America lift trade sanctions.

What decision would you make???

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

Isn't there "always" a catch!!! If they really cared about our people there would "be" no catch!!! But it's politics as usual...:-( I'm glad to be a member of your group Choux. :-) Gosh am I GRUMPY today!!!!

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Erewhon asked on 09/07/05 - Speaking of Venting (2) -

UK News Report"

The head of the United States disaster response agency waited five hours after Hurricane Katrina struck before sending workers to the area, it has emerged.

Michael Brown then suggested staff should be given two days to get to the devastated region, according to leaked internal documents.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has been sharply criticised for its slow response to the unfolding tragedy. Several politicians have called for Mr Brown's resignation.

In a memo to Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff, he proposed sending 1,000 staff within 48 hours and another 2,000 within seven days.

The delay was attributed to the need for adequate training.

Mr Brown described Katrina as a "near-catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language, the New York Post reveals.

On the same day, August 29 - the day the hurricane hit land - he urged fire and rescue services outside Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama not to send in emergency workers unless specifically asked for help from local authorities.

He told FEMA staff that one of their duties was to make the agency look good.

"Convey a positive image of disaster operations to government officials, community organisations and the general public," he wrote.

Meanwhile, patience is running out with New Orleans residents who still refuse to leave their homes.

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Good response or bad one?

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

OMG!!! Repeat....re-relate... re-hash...let us know again... let the government know AGAIN... Geez!!!!

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Pete_Hanysz asked on 09/07/05 - Can't be true......can it?

Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore
to George W. Bush

Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of
Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New
Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could
you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you
need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears
parking lot. Man, was that a drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers
are? We could really use them right now for the type
of thing they signed up to do like helping with
national disasters. How come they weren't there to
begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside
head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty
nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were
still homes without power. That night the weatherman
said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That
was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't
want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you
don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers
to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and
smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane,
instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego
to party with your business peeps. Don't let people
criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was
over and what the heck could you do, put your finger
in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days,
will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army
Corps of Engineers' budget fo! r New Orleans this summer
for the third year in a row. You jus t tell them that
even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees,
there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix
them anyway because you had a much more important
construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN
IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I
have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force
One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New
Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the
disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a
bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.
There will be those who will try to politicize this
tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your
people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing.
Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would
happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexic! o is
getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this
inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming
Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a
hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one
F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.


No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your
fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty
or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get
out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not
like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine
leaving white people on their roofs for five days?
Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to
do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of
our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the
people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near
Tikrit.
&! gt;
Yours,

Michael Moore


It apeared in my 'in box' from a good source.

Opinions welcome.

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

C'mon Pete... Michael Moore is about as far left as Robertson is far right... Do you really take anything he says seriously??? WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS TOO....WAY TOOO SLOW IN RESPONDING...How many times do we have to be told?? Now we need to FIX it!! And we are.. I am quite sure that there will be hearings and meetings and discussions over the next several weeks and months as to what went wrong... YOU didn't have to add to what we already KNOW! Geez!!

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Erewhon asked on 09/07/05 - A Triumph for Sanity and Good Sense over Idiocy and Blind Hatred - (In a village where I once lived

Muslim teacher backed in poison pen letter row

Sep 7 2005

By The Huddersfield Daily Examiner


A SCHOOL has been overwhelmed
by messages of support after one of its teachers was attacked in a racist poison pen letter.

The letter about the female Muslim teacher at Honley Infant and Nursery School sparked controversy when it was sent to Kirklees Council and chairman of the school's governing body, the Rev David Barnes, last week.

The letter claimed it was unsuitable for a Muslim teacher to be at a Church of England school "in the current climate".

It also alleged that her presence could lead to the erosion of Christianity and festivals such as Christmas at the school.

The anonymous writer claimed to represent a group of parents.

But many parents have come forward to publicly give the teacher their full backing.

And headteacher Christine Lancaster said the school has been overwhelmed by messages of support from people.

She said: "We have not had a single message supporting the person who sent the letter.

"Yet we have been inundated with people giving the school and the teacher their full support, which has restored our faith in human nature. It has really heartened us and helped us to get over this.

"We are so grateful that so many people have taken the trouble to be so kind. Many parents have come to see me and said they are fully behind the teacher.

"And again this morning, I have a pile of letters on my desk from people expressing support.

"Honley is a lovely, caring school and the teacher is a real asset to the school."

The teacher - who does not want to talk publicly about the issue - has been at the school for 12 months. Parents says she is talented and caring.

Jeanette Dyson, of Honley, has a daughter in Year 1.

She said: "This teacher taught my daughter in the early years unit last year.

"She is a caring individual, an excellent teacher and absolutely brilliant with the children.

"I was disgusted by the letter. The biggest insult was that the writer was claiming to represent the parents at Honley. That's blatantly untrue. The first most of us heard of it was when we saw the article in the Examiner.

"I was astonished that something like that would be said by anyone with children at the school. It's so narrow-minded. I haven't come across anybody who agreed with the letter."

Mrs Dyson said she is hoping her daughter will end up in the teacher's class again as she moves up through the school.

She said: "We are crying out for good teachers in this country. For people to do this to someone who is a great teacher is outrageous.

"I am really pleased that the majority of people have come out in support of the teacher. I hope she knows that those who support her out-number those who do not by a long way."

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Goodness, sanity, and good sense do not always triumph over hatred, idiocy, and blind bigotry.

Three cheers for the vilagers of a place where I once lived.

What would Jesus think about them?

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

It's completely silly...that is unless she would raise a fuss at Christmas time trying to say that she doesn't approve of celebrating a Christian holiday.. I think it's time that we all stop fussing about what each other celebrates.. Or believes..but have the backbone to applaud the different beliefs and celebrate the sincerety behind them.. I think the teacher should stay!!!

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excon asked on 09/07/05 - Now the Senate passes gay marriage.


Hello Christians:

Well, it's happening, and not by an activist judge either..... It's gonna be in your town - get used it. Gay marriage is here to stay.

However, please let me know what I'm in for. Below is what Assemblyman Ray Haynes, a Republican from Southern California, said. "We are throwing the dice and taking a huge gamble, and we are gambling with the lives and future of generations not yet born."

I've heard that before. But, nobody has ever been able to explain EXACTLY what will happen. Can you spell it out for me? I'm just a dumb exconvict.

excon

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

Do you want a Biblical answer that will most likely anger alot of people or do you want a human answer from those of us whose ways are "far" below God's ways or intentions.?.?!!!...??

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Itsdb asked on 09/07/05 - Speaking of venting...

Friends,

There is much to be said and done about the manmade annihilation of New Orleans, caused NOT by a hurricane but by the very specific decisions made by the Bush administration in the past four and a half years. Do not listen to anyone who says we can discuss all this later. No, we can't. Our country is in an immediate state of vulnerability. More hurricanes, wars, and other disasters are on the way, and a lazy bunch of self-satisfied lunatics are still running the show.

So, in the next few days, I will write to you about what must be done about Bush and Co.

But today I want you to join with me in bypassing the colossally inept and incompetent Bush administration and get help DIRECTLY to the people of the New Orleans area -- right now.

A lot of you have written me to ask what you can do. Many don't know who to trust. Many want to do more than write a check. You are right to think that writing checks to relief agencies will not get water and aid to people in the next 48 hours. Checks will be needed later and can be written later.

I have a way, though, for each and every one of us to do something today that can affect people's lives TODAY.

For the past few days I've been working with a group that, I guarantee you, will get direct aid to the people who need it most.

Cindy Sheehan, the brave woman who dared to challenge Mr. Bush at his summer home, has now sent her Camp Casey from in front of Bush's ranch to the outskirts of New Orleans. The Veterans for Peace have taken all the equipment and staff of volunteers and set up camp in Covington, Louisiana, on the shores of Lake Pontchartrain. They are accepting materials and personally distributing them to those in need.

This is where we come in. We need to ship supplies to them immediately. Today they need the following:

Paper plates, paper towels, toilet paper, baby diapers, baby wipes, baby formula, Pedialyte, baby items in general, powder, lotion, handy wipes, sterile gloves, electrolytes, LARGE cans of veggies, school supplies, and anything else to lift people's spirits.

You can ship these items by following the instructions on VFPRoadTrips.org. Or you can deliver them there in person. The roads to Covington are open. Here's how to get there. You can drop them off or you can stay and participate (if you stay, you'll be camping so bring your own tent and gear and mosquito spray).

If you can't ship these items or go there in person, then go to VFPRoadTrips.org and make an immediate donation through PayPal. Camp Casey-Covington will have immediate access to this cash and can buy the items themselves from stores that are open in Louisiana (all donations to Veterans for Peace, are tax deductible).

Each day I will post up-to-the minute information as to what is needed and the progress Camp Casey is making. Please visit MichaelMoore.com often and do what you can to help.

Many other groups are also doing good work. MoveOn.org has set up a system for people to offer rooms in their homes to the survivors.

There is no time to waste. People are suffering and dying. Each of us can do something. There is no other alternative.

Thank you in advance for your help. Tomorrow, we will take care of the other work we need to do about the ideologically hamstrung incompetents in charge.

Yours,
Michael Moore
Mike@MichaelMoore.com
MichaelMoore.com

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Help the victims, yes, but...sighhhhhhhhh.

Need anything else be said about the left's seizing Katrina as a platform for their agenda? A "manmade annihilation of New Orleans" by Bush? "In the next few days, I will write to you about what must be done about Bush and Co."? Does Moore not realize "the ideologically hamstrung incompetents in charge" are named Nagin and Blanco...who is by the way the authority in charge of all National Guard troops in Louisiana?

Is this game the left is playing about helping the victims or destroying a president? Be honest now.

Steve

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

With all due respect..I think that we are all doing what we can to help.. If we are not..we should be.. But the problems with the dykes in N.O. existed during the Clinton administration and long before that under democrat Presidents....... To soley blame the Bush administration is "nuts" in my humble opinion... I don't take alot that Michael Moore says seriously.. He has so much hatred towards Bush that he is simply not effective.. All republicans know what they "should" do.. It's what they actually do that matters..DITTO for democrats!!

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curious98 asked on 09/06/05 - A nice scoop!


How would you rate these statements from one to ten, according to Christian standards?

From Ryan Parry in New Orleans
BUNGLING Barbara Bush yesterday claimed poverty-stricken refugees who lost everything in Hurricane Katrina are actually better off thanks to the devastating floods.
The 80-year-old former first lady piled more pressure on her under fire son George's administration by declaring that the victims are so happy in their makeshift camps they would rather stay than go back to their impoverished communities.
Her gaffe came after a visit with husband George Snr to the Astrodome stadium in Houston, Texas, where thousands of evacuees from New Orleans and other affected areas are being housed.
Barbara chuckled as she said: "So many of the people here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.”

Would you say that we should congratulate all these “poverty stricken” for their excellent luck and bless the Lord for sending the Katrina over N.O.?
Curious98

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

Mrs Bush should have used her words more carefully. I choose to take into account her age, the era she comes from, and the fact that it "is" after all at least in part true. This was an awful way (I would not have wished this on my worse enemy)for the poor and destitute to be given a chance for a better life, but it is true non the less. When and if they rebuild N.O. These people will go home to better built homes, a safer city, and probably more job opportunities. And hopefully dykes that will withstand a catagory 5 hurricane if God forbid they are faced with another one in the future.

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FormerJesusHelper76 asked on 09/06/05 - I Love God. Do You Love him Too?

God is so awsome.

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

Yes I do!!

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Choux asked on 09/06/05 - I Love Emeril!

Do you like him too?

Laura answered on 09/07/05:

Well I don't "love" him ;-) but he sure seems like a nice guy and a great cook! We watch the food channel more than the news. I like what he did for the childrens school in New York. Redoing their cafateria and kitchen! Did you see that show?

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Choux asked on 09/06/05 - What's Next???

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"Federal health officials and global health authorities have been clear: It is not a question of if, but rather when the next pandemic will occur. H5N1 is a good candidate and it could be this next flu season. The virus is still largely confined to birds, but it is has spread up from Southeast Asia and is
now expanding across Russia. This particular flu virus will be new to humankind, making it particularly virulent. It interacts in a mixing bowl of other species that come into contact with the birds, including domestic fowl and pigs, and if it mixes with a flu strain already adapted for human-to-human transmission ... presto.

An H5N1 influenza outbreak could mimic the 1918 pandemic. That could mean 1.7 million deaths in the United States and 360 million dead worldwide, perhaps more. But the numbers don't tell the full story. People, and thus the disease, can move much faster than in 1918. With a majority of the adult working population sick and others attending them, as much as 35 percent of the U.S. population may be immobilized. If people venture out, it will be with a mask and a suspicious eye. Schools, businesses and services will grind to a halt as workers get sick or stop showing up. Our utilities, communications, financial systems and government services could also shut down. The tide of the sick and dying will overwhelm hospitals. The health care professionals who are themselves not sick will be too few to treat the millions seeking make-shift beds in high school gymnasiums and community centers. And this will occur globally.""

Each of my parents had siblings who died in the flu epidemic of 1918. Today, it is difficult for us to imagine such widespread epidemic due advances in modern medicine.

What are your feelings about a global flu epidemic?
Any other comments?

Laura answered on 09/06/05:

Who knows Choux.. Maybe it is the beginning of the end of days! :-(

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Choux asked on 09/06/05 - Fundi-Christian Senator Speaks

From Action 4 News At 11 PM
WTAE-TV CH 4 (ABC) Pittsburgh

[CC] 00:05:40 Senator Rick Santorum is criticizing the government's emergency response to hurricane Katrina victims. But he's also criticizing the ones who chose to ride out the storm. "I mean, you have people who don't heed those warnings and then put people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a need to look at **tougher penalties** on those who decide to ride it out and understand that there are consequences to not leaving."

What are your comments?

Laura answered on 09/06/05:

For those who absolutely could not leave becasue they had no way of doing so, I hardly think that they can be blamed for anything!! So in this sence I believe that the senator is in err. But for those who could have left and didn't...well they are accountable to a degree for their own welfare. I don't see how anyone could deny that..

For a republican senator to admit failure within his government seems like something that people would want to hear. Especially people who don't believe that anyone who is republican or a consertive Christian would dare to contradict those in government who deny a share of responsibility and accountability.

And see...from some of the comments you have already recieved...I've said it before about other things (and this) You are damned if you do and damned if you don't..It's a no win situation.

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bucker asked on 09/05/05 - If, if, if, if..

There is nothing like a Monday morning quarterback. Who is to say what we would have done.. Some may not have know what bad shape the dike was in. It is easy to set and criticize someone. For what reason. Is to make us look smarter, because we hate them, or is it deeper than that? I wonder..

Laura answered on 09/06/05:

The Louisana Governor is saying this morning that "before" the storm hit the Mayer told her that he had police escorted busses going through the streets urging everyone to leave..She says they were being urged to go to safe shelters and also from what I understood from her busses were available to get people out. But that alot of people simply didn't want to leave.

Now since they thought they might have some problems with the dykes, they thought that it would be in the form of small cracks or breaches, and not the huge pieces that broke.

When the dykes broke the city was essentially cut off and rescue became very complicated. It didn't help that looters (not the one's out for food, but the greedy) as well as bad guys with guns and snipers were taking pot shots at people "trying" to help.

The government should have acted sooner and as I understand it the federal government could not act until word from the locial government..(Dumb in my opinion as everyone could see what was going on). The "blame" game will go on for some time.. And it is a good thing actually.. Because though this was such a confusing mess, EVERYBODY will learn from this how to prepare and hopefully prevent a repeat experience..

It's sad that people had to lose their lives..some unnecessarily. Their tragedy will prevent this in the future..If that is even some kind of comfort. I don't know.

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Choux asked on 09/04/05 - Is This Device Ethical/Moral??

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"A South African inventor has unveiled a new anti-rape female condom that hooks onto an attacker's penis and aims to cut one of the highest rates of sexual assault in the world.

"Nothing has ever been done to help a woman so that she does not get raped and I thought it was high time," Sonette Ehlers, 57, said of the "rapex", a device worn like a tampon that has sparked controversy in a country used to daily reports of violent crime.

Police statistics show more than 50,000 rapes are reported every year, while experts say the real figure could be four times that as they say most rapes of acquaintances or children are never reported.

Ehlers said the "rapex" hooks onto the rapist's skin, allowing the victim time to escape and helping to identify perpetrators.

"He will obviously be too pre-occupied at this stage," she told reporters in Kleinmond, a small holiday village about 100km east of Cape Town. "I promise you he is going to be too sore. He will go straight to hospital."

The device, made of latex and held firm by shafts of sharp barbs, can only be removed from the man through surgery which will alert hospital staff, and ultimately, the police, she said.

It also reduces the chances of a woman falling pregnant or contracting Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases from the attacker by acting in the same way as a female condom.

South Africa has more people with HIV/Aids than any other country, with one in nine of its 45 million population infected.

Ehlers, who showed off a prototype yesterday, said women had tried it for comfort and it had been tested on a plastic male model but not yet on a live man. Production was planned to start next year.

But the "rapex" has raised fears amongst anti-rape activists that it could escalate violence against women.

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

That would be my biggest fear..that violence would escalate.. Imagine if the man did keep his wits about him.. He'd kill her instead of just rape her.. I don't know.

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Erewhon asked on 09/04/05 - Laura

What was the name of the group and why did it strike you as funny?

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

The Devils in baggy pants... I don't know why it stuck me as funny.. Just an odd name for a group of folks going in to save lives.. But does it really matter the name..as long as they were helping?? That is why I ended my original question on the subject.. It was a no brainer..

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Erewhon asked on 09/04/05 - Nasty Muslims ...

I have just heard on CNN's Wold Blitzer that those nasty Muslims in Kuwait are asking their parliament to approve $500,000,000 to be given to the USA in aid for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

How nasty is that?

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

Anyone that thinks that "all" muslims are bad are just as mis-informed as those who think that all "Christians" are bad because of a few far right frieks!!!! My personal thanks to all who help us at this time of tragedy and grief!!!

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STONY asked on 09/04/05 - LAURA...

DID YOU MEAN GERALDO RIVERA?

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

Yes. :-) He was talking about a group of military that came in to help. The name of the group kinda struck me funny.. That's all. It wasn't really a big deal.

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arcura asked on 09/04/05 - Today’s Scripture readings.What do these words of God mean to you?

Have you ever done according to them?
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Ezekiel 3: 17. I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me.
18. When I say to a wicked man, `You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood.
19. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself.
20. "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood.
21. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself."

Matthew 18: 15. "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
16. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that `every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
17. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector (that is a robber).

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

This just shows that as Christians we have a duty to God and to man to tell of the good news of Jesus Christ. And that is where our burden ends. We can only do so much.. After that.. It is up to the individual to make a choice.. We always pray that it is the right one, and we never stop trying.

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curious98 asked on 09/04/05 - On the Katrina Aftermath

The confidence of average Americans in their Administration seems to be impaired to a great extent.

According to a RealClear Politics poll last Thursday, 2 out of 3 persons consulted believe their Government have not done enough to help the victims of Katrina. For instance, FEMA Director Michael Brown did not deem it necessary to interrupt his holidays until last Wednesday.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 2: At least one prominent Republican is critical of President Bush and his administration for their response to the ravages of Hurricane Katrina.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich urges Bush to appoint Rudolph Giuliani to head relief efforts. Gingrich told The Associated Press that no one is better prepared for the job than Giuliani, who was mayor of New York on Nine-Eleven.

Gingrich says the pace of the federal disaster response puts into question Homeland Security and Northern Command planning over the last four years. He rhetorically asks why the government believes it's prepared for a nuclear or biological attack when it can't respond to an event that was predicted days in advance.

Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved

To the best of my knowledge Mr. Gingrich could hardly be referred to as anti-Bush.


WASHINGTON Sept 3rd: -- Some members of Congress are starting to question why it took so long to get National Guard troops on the ground in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans.

Several states say they were willing to send troops to help in the Gulf-Coast relief, but didn’t get a go ahead until days after the storm struck. The governor of New Mexico says he offered troops before Katrina hit but didn’t get clearance from Washington until Thursday. The head of the Michigan National Guard says he was ready to send in police units but couldn’t without a request.

Nebraska Republican Senator Chuck Hagel says there will have to be some “accountability” after the current crisis is taken care of. The state’s other senator, Democrat Ben Nelson, says it makes him question earlier assurances that sending National Guard troops to Iraq wouldn’t affect the Guard’s traditional role of responding to natural diasters at home.”

Courtesy of wkcy.com.

In this case, a Democrat and a Republican, both Senators, seem to agree that something was not properly done,

U.S. Senator Chuck Hagel served nobly and honorably in Vietnam. He still carries shrapnel from the wounds he suffered there, while serving in Vietnam.


Courtessy of THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON 3rd Sept. -- In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Americans must start "asking tough questions" about their safety, a House member from Louisiana said in the Democrats' weekly radio address.

"We are engaged in a massive effort under difficult circumstances to save lives and stabilize this crisis so that we may begin to restore our communities," Rep. Charlie Melancon said. "This is job one."

"We must also be about the job of asking tough questions, my fellow Americans - questions about the health of our infrastructure and emergency response capabilities," Melancon said. It was an apparent reference to the federal government's widely criticized handling of relief efforts after New Orleans levees broke and flooded the city.

The freshman lawmaker said "long-sought-after coastal restoration projects matter not just for commerce, but safety."

"We have always known these things along the Gulf Coast," he said. "Resources for these crucial projects are not just something nice to do, they are essential."
General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also admitted that “many of our fellow citizens are simply not receiving they help they should, and this is totally unacceptable.”


Jamie Coomarasamy, New Orleans, Louisiana, 1206GMT

“From a city on the edge of chaos, New Orleans is now coming to resemble a ghost town.

The massive deployment of the National Guard is having an effect, bringing a sense of order and speeding up the evacuation of the thousands still in the city.
The convention centre and the Superdome, scenes of lawlessness and the focus of much of the anger and frustration of recent days, have now been cleared.

The authorities still face the problem of reaching the areas worst affected by the flooding and of how to convince the people who have refused to leave, that it is in their best interest to do so.

Now that it has started in earnest though, the evacuation is proving to be swift and relatively efficient, throwing into even sharper focus how slow and inefficient it was initially”.


This last horrible week I have been denouncing how Katrina aftermath was being handled by your authorities while people were dying.

And many experts have come to the conclusion that I was spreading negative propaganda possibly because I hate America.

The above excerpts are just a few of the hundreds I could gather only in Internet, and I think they show that I do not hate America; on the contrary, I love it, and because I do, it pains me immensely to see the inefficiency which your authorities have so far been treating this disaster with

Any comments?
Curious98

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

It is clear "now" that help came a day late and a dollar short.. But if I had to blame anyone...it would be Louisiana officials.. They live there for God's sake.. They knew the risk and they should have prepared for this more appropriately "before" the storm hit!! The blame game will go on for months.. Officals of Louisiana will refuse to take accountability.. So it falls to Bush as usual.. In this case, sh.. roles uphill!!

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Erewhon asked on 09/04/05 - Children at risk ...

Should parents who kept their childrenin NO be charged with child endangerment?

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

No no no!!! They are scared...They are confused!!! Just get them out!! Once they are in a safe place with some good food and a clean environement...they will understand the need to have left..Sad as it is, NO is not a viable place for them anymore..Not for now anyways.

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revdauphinee asked on 09/03/05 - Im Baaaaack!

Hi folks i finaly got back in here am real buisy so wont be on as much for a while thanks for all the kindness relayed to me by ronnie.your comments make it a little easier.when all this is over im going to sleep for a week ,threw my back out throwing ice off the back of a copter but got to keep going folks are in dire straights down here your prayers are needed and if you have a little cash to spare please give it to the red cross we need all the help we can get.thanks folks !
Dorothy

Laura answered on 09/04/05:

So glad to hear from you and to know that you are safe. Please take care of yourself. You are an angel to those you are helping. God bless. Laura

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Erewhon asked on 09/03/05 - Hurricane Katrina

A round-up of Hurricane Katrina-related rumors Snopes has collected so far:

Just learned that the Terrorists had bombs planted in the levees and intended to detonate them to destroy the Mississippi levees altogether. They found the bombs. The terrorists couldn't get to them to detonate them because of the water.

We have seen no reports of terrorist-planted bombs being discovered on levees around the Mississippi area.


Is it true that there has been video footage of sharks swimming in the floods in New Orleans?

Various news accounts have reported people claiming to have seen sharks swimming in the floodwaters around New Orleans, but the reliability of such accounts is difficult to ascertain.


Before NBC, MTV or anyone else puts on a telethon to help victims of Hurricane Katrina, they might want to explore some ancillary issues. To wit: New Orleans is a city famous for its famous musicians, but many of them are missing. Missing with a capital M.

To begin with, one of the city¹s most important legends, Antoine "Fats" Domino, has not been heard from since Monday afternoon. Domino¹s rollicking boogie-woogie piano and deep soul voice are not only part of the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame but responsible for dozens of hits like "Blue Monday," "Ain¹t That a Shame," "Blueberry Hill" and "I¹m Walking (Yes, Indeed, I¹m Talking)."

R&B legend Fats Domino was missing in New Orleans, but he has since been rescued.


Perhaps this is only the first unfounded rumor to come out of the New Orleans area, but I was told that some residents who remained behind have said that the city used dynamite on the levees at certain points in an attempt save the French Quarter and Business District by flooding other areas.

Go figure.

Reports indicate numerous fraudulent requests for donations to aid hurricane Katrina relief efforts. These requests typically arrive via mass-mailings and appear to originate from legitimate charitable organizations. The messages are designed to entice users to access a web site and make a donation via a credit card. When the user attempts to access the site, the browser is redirected to a malicious web site. In addition to accepting a donation, these sites are likely to attempt to install malicious code on the system.

Users are advised to verify the organization and URL to which they are donating money. A listing of contact information for various charitable organizations is available at the following link: FEMA.

Users are advised to not respond to e-mails requesting donations for relief efforts, as legitimate organizations typically do not request funds in this method.

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The flying rumours gathered as they rolled.
Scarce any tale was heard before 'twas told.
And all who heard it added something new,
And all who told it made enlargements too.

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And so it goes ...............

Laura answered on 09/03/05:

ONLY donate to charities that you know!!! The story about Dominoe was in USA today.. Don't know if it was true or not. But if it was.. I sure am glad that he is safe.. I don't listen much to rumor...until it is reported as fact!!!!!