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kwilkins2 asked on 06/24/10 - CHEMISTRY

Acetylene gas, C2H2, reacts with oxygen according to the following equation. 2C2H2 + 5O2 = 4CO2 + 2H2O. If 2 moles of acetylene react completely with sufficient oxygen, how many grams of carbon dioxide are produced?

Bobbye answered on 08/04/10:

Are you working on your homework?

Keep up the good work!
You'll get there.

Bobbye
P.S. This is the "Christianity Board," rather than the "Chemistry Board." The brains ont he Chemistry Board will be able to assist.

I understand your equation, but it appears that the 4CO2 is your answer -- if you are dealing with "grams" in the above equation rather than "parts".

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avi130892 asked on 06/27/10 - electrostatics

electric charge is distributed on the surface of a conductor of any arbitary shape

Bobbye answered on 08/04/10:

And your questions is???

However, thanks for sharing a "nugget."

Bobby

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dmpotter asked on 07/30/10 - My mom has Lupus

My mom just found out she has Lupus and now im scared. My question is will this take my moms life?

Bobbye answered on 08/04/10:

Not if believing Christians on this Board will pray.

You and your Mom are in my prayers this night!

Bobbye

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Sherry33 asked on 09/12/09 - the Trinity Question

I am taught that Jesus is God the Creator. If this be so, how does Rev chapter 3 verse 14say Jesus is the beginning of the cretion of GOD. Also always told to refer to John..In the beginning was the Word ect. Since God had no beginning how does this fit?

Bobbye answered on 08/04/10:

"...in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD!"
John 1:1 KJV

"Beginning" in Scripture refers to a specific point or time -- OF WHICH MAN HAS NO CLUE concerning God.

Therefore, "beginning" in Scripture is simply a backward glance at an AWESOME GOD -- wherever and whenever! Man will never explain it!

John 1:1-3, "In the beginning was the Word (Gr. Logos) and the Word was with God (Gr. Theos), and the Word was God.
"The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were MADE BY HIM: and without him was not any thing made that was made."

All things were made by Jesus and "without Him was not anything made...." Jesus was in Creation with the Father AND The Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the creation of the Father; The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Living God and the Loving Saviour and He indwells the believer.

The Father sent His Beloved Son (Jesus) to earth to save mankind from his sin. Immediately prior to The Resurrection, Jesus prayed to the Father to send "another comforter" -- The Holy Spirit -- as Jesus was soon to return to the Father.

In Acts 2 you will find the account of the Holy Spirit's being poured out upon the corporate body, the church,fifty days after The Resurrection!

A simple analogy:
There are two people in ONE marriage.
There are Three Persons in The Trinity, completing The GODHEAD -- "...hear, O, Israel, the Lord thy God is ONE GOD!"

Be blessed in your search for truth!
Bobbye

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STONY asked on 04/17/10 - MAGGIE & BOBBYE....

NOW I CAN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH EITHER ONE OF YOU. WHAT'S UP? I KNOW THE STORY ABOUT "A REASON, A SEASON AND A LIFETIME" BUT I NEVER AM PREPARED FOR IT WITH NO NOTICE.

When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed outwardly or inwardly. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally, or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend, and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrong -doing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. Sometimes they die. Sometimes they walk away. Sometimes they act up or out

and force you to take a stand. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled; their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and it is now time to move on.

When people come into your life for a SEASON, it is because your turn has come to share, grow, or learn. They may bring you an experience of peace or make you laugh. They may teach you something you have never done. They usually give you an unbelievable amount of joy. Believe it! It is real! But only for a season.

LIFETIME relationships teach you lifetime lessons; those things you must build upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation. Your job is to accept the lesson, love the person/people (anyway); and put what you have learned to use in all other relationships and areas of your life. It is said that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant. Thank you for being a part of my life

Bobbye answered on 08/04/10:

Stony, I'm busy this evening but I just felt led to see if the sight were still here. Thanks be to God that it is.

Do you still have my e-mail on ATT.net? If not, call info in my town. I'm listed on Memorial Drive. You know my name. Bobbye is my nick-name.

"Friendship is priceless." We lost my nephew this February (unexpectedly with a thrombosis) and I'm spending 2-3 days/week assisting my sister (his nother). And, thank God, I'm still busy with all that I was doing the last time we communicated, so the Board has been put aside in my life for a season. However, I need the strength from you folks. It has been friends who have stood by us in the past months, as our family is not that large.

Be blessed. Great to know that you cherish such great memories that we all shared on Answerway and AskMe. You've been there for me and my family and it's great to hear from you.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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Hwood asked on 07/10/09 - Mark of the beast.

Rev.13-16. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

My question is this, what if the mark is entered into one's hand, or forehead, while they are uncounscious. Are they still guilty of receiving the mark?

Bobbye answered on 07/16/09:

For comparative purposes, if you examine the legality of anyone's signing a document or performing any task while uncounscious (an impossibility), the answer is "no!"

However, with such a diabolical ruler at the helm, there is no civility, legality or rational judgment guaranteed.

But not to worry, the church (eklesia) will be raptured prior to the appearance of the "Beast."

Blessings,
Bobbye

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STONY asked on 05/28/09 - A PRAYER REQUEST...

ONCE AGAIN I AM ABOUT TO LOSE MY PLACE TO LIVE. 6/1 IS SO CLOSE AND I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND ANOTHER PLACE I CAN AFFORD. I REALLY NEED TOUR PRAYERS..........T.

Bobbye answered on 05/28/09:

Tony, you are in my prayers. Please get in touch.

Expect a miracle.
Bobbye

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Hwood asked on 05/16/09 - Are we all equal?

Have you ever had any doubts that we all are equal? I don't care if some have fine cars, have high paying jobs, and live in big mansions.

All you have to do is drive by any city dump yard. You will notice that they all stink the same... They stink!! I hope that has answered your question.
;-) M.L.

Bobbye answered on 05/18/09:

Created equally in the eyes of our Creator. However, everyone arrived in inequality at its finest when that first breath was taken -- if the parents were not wealthy; prominent, etc -- BUT FOR GOD AND HIS WATCHCARE OVER HIS CREATION!

THE STATUS OF THE "GREATEST MIRACLE" CHANGED IMMEDIATELY (for better or for worse; for richer or for poorer) ONCE THAT BUNDLE OF JOY LANDED ON PLANET EARTH AS AN ENTITY.

Bobbye
P.S. Try asking the homeless this question. It would be a "hard sell!" But again, "BUT FOR GOD!"

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bal317 asked on 04/07/09 - Happy Easter

I Pray all will have a Blessed Good Friday and a very joyest Easter in the Name of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Bobbye answered on 04/08/09:

It will be most joyful, Bal, as "HE IS RISEN, INDEED!"

Be blessed,
bobbye

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paraclete asked on 04/05/09 - I have to ask?

Is there anyone out there?

I mean; has the rapture happened, or what?

I'm beginning to think something important happened and I missed it

Bobbye answered on 04/08/09:

"It was in the first four months of the reign of Obama-Biden and all America went to be taxed -- everyone according to his preference of tax preparers...."

Palm Sunday and Easter should be reserved for this special time of year -- with a moratorium on taxes until whenever!!!! LOL Too much to do!

I prepared a simple drama (writing the music) for Palm Sunday; then began preparations for Easter -- while finalizing my taxes. I'm sure most on this Board have the same busy schedule at this time of year.

Thanks for inquiring.

Bobbye


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bal317 asked on 03/11/09 - Cleaning Your Own House?

As a Christian. What do you feel this message means?

Bobbye answered on 03/12/09:

The same as "getting your house in order":i.e.,check your walk with God; your relationship to the Saviour; and as the old hymn goes, "Nothing between my soul and the Saviour!"

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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bal317 asked on 03/11/09 - Cleaning Your Own House?

As a Christian. What do you feel this message means?

Bobbye answered on 03/12/09:

The same as "getting your house in order":i.e.,check your walk with God; your relationship to the Saviour; and as the old hymn goes, "Nothing between my soul and the Saviour!"

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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paraclete asked on 01/15/09 - Mary and Jesus in a lamp

This one is sure to light you up

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24916527-13762,00.html

another manefestation of the image of the virgin or at least the outline of an image.

What I wonder about such things, is ; does God really need this to get his message across?

Bobbye answered on 01/20/09:

Why do these things seldom happen to Bible teachers? Interesting!

Bobbye

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Mathatmacoat asked on 01/02/09 - What kind of Christian is this?

Carer abandons disabled man on bus

January 3, 2009 - 11:17AM

A severely disabled New Yorker is lucky to be alive after being left alone for 17 hours on an icy bus.

Ed Rivera, 22, spent New Year's Eve night in minus nine degrees Celsius temperatures strapped into an empty bus after his overseer allegedly decided to leave him behind, police said on Friday.

Rivera suffers from cerebral palsy and reportedly has the mental capacity of a two-year-old.

Police have charged the bus matron, who was meant to bring Rivera back home from a special school, with reckless endangerment, a police spokesman told AFP.

CNN television reported that the woman had been fired. No one could be reached immediately at the bus company, Outstanding Transport, to confirm this.

The bus matron left Rivera sleeping in his seat "because she was late for church," the Daily News quoted sources as saying. "She knew he was there. She was hoping one of the other workers would notice him."

The bus driver apparently failed to notice Rivera when he left his bus at the depot, abandoning the young man to a potentially fatally cold night.

Police launched a search after Rivera's sister reported him missing but overlooked the lot at the depot where he was sitting helplessly, the Daily News reported.

Rivera's sister, Khristine Rivera, told the Daily News that he smiled and said "Hi" when he was found. "That just warmed my heart. Who knows what could have happened?"

AFP

What a sad exposition of religiosity is this, how could she think she would be acceptable before God when she failed to show responsibility and charity to this person and placed his life in jeopardy.

Bobbye answered on 01/03/09:

One who needs to grow in Christ, which is the work of The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit causes us to grow in Christ -- as we allow Him to do so -- by studying God's word; through prayer, and Holy living.

Her pastor needs to have a talk with her concerning her responsibility as a Christian to her fellow man.

Happy New Year.
Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 01/01/09 - When do you think Israel will replace the church?

Acts 1:6-7 6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Zechariah 8:22-23 22Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the LORD. 23Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

When will this happen? What are the theological implications?

Bobbye answered on 01/01/09:

NEVER! The "Church" is the Bride of Christ. Acts 1 and Zechariah 8 refer to two different events.

I. The "Church" ("Ecclesia"- "called out ones") will have been raptured (Gr. harpedzo; "snatched away") long before Zechariah 8 is fulfilled.

In Acts 1:5 Jesus was referring to the outpouring of The Holy Spirit to enable believers in carrying the Gospel to the uttermost parts of the earth (Acts 1:8).
The Jews thought Jesus was referring to the Millennial ("thousand-year) reign of Christ AFTER The Great Tribulation as referenced in Zechariah 8. This was "not for them to know at that time!"

II. In the "Seven Judgments" you will see the sequence of events more clearly:i.e.,

(1) Our sins were judged at Calvary.

(2) Self judgment: "If we judge ourselves, we'll not be judged."

(3) OUR DEEDS ARE JUDGED. The Church is raptured and appears before one of the three Thrones mentioned in Scripture.

= First Throne (but 3rd Judgment): "THE BEMA" or "Judgment Seat of Christ," where the Saved receive rewards for "deeds done in the body." Some rewards will be burned as "wood, hay, and stubble."

NEXT, THE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB AND
THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB.
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THEN THE GREAT TRIBULATION, OUT OF WHICH 144,000 JEWS WILL BE SAVED!

(4) "THE THRONE OF CHRIST'S GLORY!" (Second Throne: 4 & 5th Judgments).

= 4th Judgment: Nations will be judged according to their treatment of Israel during The Tribution.
= 5th Judgment: Israel will be judged for not taking the Gospel to the nations.

THEN THE MILLENIAL REIGN OF CHRIST FOR 1,000 YEARS: This is where Zechariah 8 will be fulfilled: when Christ shall reign and Israel will be restored.

"GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT"
-- Nations who forgot God will be judged (6th Judgment).
7th: Judgment of Wicked Dead("Dead in Christ" ascended in The Rapture w/believers.)

Bobby

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STONY asked on 12/25/08 - BEEN A LONG TIME....

BUT WISHING ALL OF YOU A BLESSED CHRISTMAS AND A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.

Bobbye answered on 01/01/09:

Happy New Year, Tony. May this be the best year ever -- health, wealth, happiness!

Bobbye

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paraclete asked on 10/07/08 - Question or Statement, you decide

Does tithing work or will the blessings of God overtake you whether you tithe or not?

Yesterday my daughter asked me to help her as she had a bill coming up for $800 repair to her car. This was a quote and no committment made until she found the cash. So Dad said yes but she rang today to say you know since I took that car in for a quote it runs perfectly and I asked; have you been praying? The response was; I was talking to the Pastor the other day about our problems and he said your problems are financial, you should be tithing, and she said we tithed last Sunday, it was difficult but we did it. Now that is probally an instant return of maybe ten times the sum tithed.

So Blessing or a rebuked destroyer, what do you think?

Bobbye answered on 12/13/08:

I've tithed since a child, as God commanded it in Malachi 3:9-10; and Jesus taught tithing in the New Testament.

Show me your blessings without tithes AND offerings and I'll show you mine! I wouldn't think of not tithing, as well as adding an offering.

"There was a man, some thought him mad.
But the more he gave, the more he had!:
Paul Bunyan, author of "Pilgrim's
Progress!"

Blessings,
Bobbye

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paraclete asked on 12/06/08 - Answers in dire times?

Do you find your answers in Christ?

God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. col 13-15

Bobbye answered on 12/13/08:

Yes!

"For in Him we live, and move and have our being: as certain also of your own poets have said, For WE ARE ALSO HIS OFFSPRING!" Acts 17:28KJV

What a blessing! What a revelation of our promises "in Him!"

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 09/12/08 - The unpardonable sin

Did the Apostle Paul commit the unpardonable sin?
The Apostle Paul led a worship service (he preached and broke bread) on the first day of the week
Acts 20:6-7 6And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. 7And upon the first day of the week, {Sunday} when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Ellen White revealed that those who worship God on Sunday take the mark of the beast.
"If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls "My holy day," you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God." Ellen G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 980.
Since those who take the mark of the beast are destined to hell, did Paul commit the unpardonable sin?
Revelation 14:10-11 10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Are those of us who worship God on the Lord’s Day all condemned to hell?

Bobbye answered on 10/05/08:

And what is the title of Ellen White's Bible???????

We worship on the first day of the week because HE IS RISEN -- on the first day of the week!

The Apostle Paul was not saved until AFTER The Resurrection--when He came face to face with THE RISEN CHRIST on the road to Damascus. PAUL HAD MUCH TO CELEBRATE ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK -- just as all Christians!

Bobbye

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STONY asked on 10/04/08 - AN ACT OF GOD OR JUST A GOOD JURY?

O.J FOUND GUILTY TODAY ON THE NEWS. COULD GET LIFE IN PRISON. AMAZING HOW THIS HAPPENED TO THE DAY YEARS AFTER HIS PREVIOUS ACQUITTAL ON CHARGES STEMMING FROM HIS WIFE'S MURDER.

Bobbye answered on 10/05/08:

God keeps a good set of books.

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 08/31/08 - YHVH

Is it a sin to use the word Yahweh, or Jehovah in church?

VATICAN (CISA) - The Vatican has ruled that the word Yahweh must not "be used or pronounced" in songs and prayers during Catholic masses.

"Notwithstanding such a clear norm, in recent years the practice has crept in of pronouncing the God of Israel's proper name," the letter said. "The practice of vocalizing it is met with both in the reading of biblical texts taken from the Lectionary as well as in prayers and hymns, and it occurs in diverse written and spoken forms," including Yahweh, Jahweh and Yehovah.

Holy See Stops Use of 'Yahweh' in Catholic Worship

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=28949 August 20th, 2008

Bobbye answered on 10/01/08:

I heard recently a series of sermons from Ephesians 4 entitled "Are You
Growing Old in Religion or Are You Maturing in Christ?" This pretty well covers your post.

If you do an indepth study of the inscription on The Cross (INRI -- "I" Yesoos (Jesus) of Nazarea or "ton Nazarean" "Rex" or "Basileus"-- King; of the Jews -Ioudaion: INRI), you will also find much info re "YHVH," along with the explanation of "INRI."

Also, what will Rome do about the passage: "Behold I send an Angel before thee to keep thee in the way and bring thee into the place which I have prepared." Exodus 23:20KJV

"Yahweh" or "Jehovah" is that "Angel" that was leading the Israelites out of the wilderness into the promised land. But, folks will say, "that's Old Testament." For sure, but it remains in my Bible.

The name "Jehovah" means "deliverer" or "Saviour." I depend daily upon Jehovah-Shalom; Jehovah-Nissi; Jehovah-Tsidkinu; Jehovah-Rohe' Jehovah-Jireh, etc., etc, etc. to "...keep me in the way and bring me to the place that God has prepared" for me.

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Ch.Petrus.82 asked on 09/17/08 - Prayer lists?






Does your god have priorities?

Does he/she work work on the number of requests received?

What about the poor guys in the jungle who are not on line yet?

I ask this question after reading, my friend, MaggieB's post.

Pete

Bobbye answered on 10/01/08:

Does your god have priorities?
Does he/she work work on the number of requests received?
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Pete,"DOES GOD HAVE PRIORITIES?"

NO!

An "omniscient," "omnipotent," "omnipresent" God doesn't have to prioritize. God is Spirit; therefore, not bound by limitations of time or space.

However, God honors FAITH and it is our faith or lack thereof that oftentimes determines when the response is received.

Also, we look to the story of Daniel who prayed but the answer came 21 days later. The Arch Angel Gabriel appeared to him and said: "I would have arrived 21 days earlier but I was buffeted by the Prince of Persia (demon of the heavenlies), and I had to call in Michael the Arch Angel to fight the battle for me (paraphrased)."

Oftentimes, our prayers have been answered, but have been delayed due to the spiritual warfare around us, but GOD WILL ANSWER. Peter preached that "we have the assurance that when we pray, He hears us!" DELAY DOES NOT MEAN DENIAL.

The "poor guy in the jungle has the privilege as all others" -- "Lord, be merciful to me a sinner and God will answer." "Mercy" not only means "grace and salvation," but "...help in time of need."

Some will disagree with me concerning the "only prayer a sinner can pray," BUT I STAND AMAZED AT HIS AMAZING GRACE! It's called "MERCY." NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT GOD DOESN'T ANSWER THE SINNER BEFORE HE COMES TO JESUS OTHER THAN "THE SINNER'S PRAYER." It's called "MERCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I love the old gospel hymn:
"There's a miracle in the making.
One just for you. The Father is working
it right now.
Your prayers have been heard. The answer's on the way.
THERE'S A MIRACLE IN THE MAKING FOR YOU TODAY!"

Bobbye







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Hwood asked on 09/26/08 - those already dead?

I have a question about the ones who died before Jesus came to earth. What saved them, or how did they get saved?

Are they saved today,or are they still in hell?

Bobbye answered on 10/01/08:

A study re "Hades" and the two compartments (Abraham's Bosom/Paradise and Sheole) will provide the answer.

"Now this, 'He ascended' -- what does it mean but that he also first descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things." Ephesisna 4:9-10. NKJIV

Those who "believed 'the Promise'afar off" were in "Paradise" (Abraham's Bosom), and those who rejected "the Promise" were in Sheole (the compartment for the wicked dead).

When Jesus told the thief, "This day thou shalt be with me in Paradise," He was referring to His descension into Paradise to claim those who had believed and it was then that Paradise changed places from beneath the earth into the Heavenlies -- "...leading captivity captive." (While in Hades, Jesus "preached to those who were in prison" -- unbelievers from Noah's day who had 120 years to repent/believe).

Also, the "women who received their dead" that day (saints appearing in Jerusalem) were soon without them again), as most commentators agree that those who appeared when the graves were opened joined the group from Paradise as they ascended into the Heavenlies -- Paradise (the present-day holding place until we see Christ)!

"When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men" (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers).
Ephesians 4:8

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 09/15/08 - Please Pray

Bobbye, a frequent poster on this board lives in Houston, TX which has had some major damage due to
hurricane Ike. I ask the Christians on this board to pray that she and her family are safe and pray for the families who have lost loved ones, homes, and jobs there. May Almighty God give them strength and courage to face the days ahead.

I called Bobbye on Thursday to pray with her for Texas and their safety but could not get through.

God bless,
MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 09/27/08:

MAGGIE, YOU'RE A BLESSING! I just knew you had tried to reach me. A neighbor loaned me a "clunker" telephone (as my 'phone with the lights, etc., had no power)a few days ago, so I was able to communicate with my family.

A great big "God Bless You" to all who lifted us in prayer. GOD IS FAITHFUL!

No damage to our church or School -- or our home. Just the "common" fence behind our home and the neighbor's home fell. We were planning to replace it with a brick wall days before the storm hit. Now, we will save a few hours in having the fence removed before installing the wall.

"GREAT IS HIS FAITHFULNESS! ALL THAT WE'VE NEEDED, HIS HAND HATH PROVIDED! GREAT IS HIS FAITHFULNESS."

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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bal317 asked on 08/19/08 - Your Christian Work goes Un-noticed?

It seems many times those who feel they are doing their very best as working on being a Christian. That when disappointment comes out of your positive actions.(Which can be many areas). Your emotional feelings get drained. And you go along seemingly disappointed at yourself.
On the Christian Radio Show, this situation came up. And the answer that was given seemed very proper to me.
They said,"One might become discouraged in life when we've spoken to our children, and they still seem to not correct their bad actions. We try to help other's out of harms way, and they still might continue the negative. Which leaves Christian's believing all their work goes un-noticed. Well on earth it might, but your reward will be there when your called Home."
How do you all feel about this?
Pshycologically, is this to keep us in check?

Bobbye answered on 08/21/08:

God keeps a good set of books -- always! No good deed goes unnoticed.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Ch.Petrus.82 asked on 08/08/08 - The old question....again

Do any of you really believe that the world began 6,000 years ago on a "divine drawing board"?

Bobbye answered on 08/12/08:

On a "Divine Drawing Board?"
YES! It's called the "thought(s) or mind of God."

6,000 years?
NO! Much scientific proof that the world is 15+ billion years old. HOWEVER, that's Genesis 1:1 in retrograde.

Genesis 1:2 forward, God said: "Let there be LIGHT," (this is where the term "Big Bang Theory" originated) and the waters parted; land rose; and in six (6) days God revitalized the planet "Earth." On the seventh day God "rested": "CEASED CREATING THE WORLD/MANKIND; stepped back, observed and approved ("...and God saw (observed) that it was good!")

WHAT A MIGHTY GOD WE SERVE!

The clue to Genesis 1:2? THE TERM "...REPLINISH!" "Re" in this regard implies "something that preceded was to be restored!"

Be blessed, Pete.
Bobbye

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curious98 asked on 07/22/08 - Red telephone with God?

John McCain or Barak Obama!
Does anyone believe that whoever of these two persons wins the White House will claim -as G.W.Bush did- that he is in direct touch with GOD Almighty who told him to fight the Axis of Evil?
BTW hoe come that God seems to have change his mind and told GWB to remove Northern Korea and Iran from that Axis?
Curious98

Bobbye answered on 07/22/08:

God gets blamed for many things He has not done! Perception" is in the "eye of the beholder!"

Bobbye

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Ch.Petrus.82 asked on 07/22/08 - Message from ATON/DOMINO

My old buddy is doing just fine and he asked me to pass on this message

"Let my friends know I miss them, and my enemies can kiss my butt."

IMO, he is needed on this board, what do you think?

Pete

Bobbye answered on 07/22/08:

We're bloody and bruised from "the righteous!" LOL

Yes, we need him!

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 07/02/08 - How will you answer this question???????????????????

(Mt 8:28-34): When Jesus reached Gadara on the other side, He was met by two demoniacs who came out from the tombs. They were so fierce that no one dared to pass that way. Suddenly they shouted, "What do you want with us, you, Son of God? Have you come to torture us before the time?". At some distance away there was a large herd of pigs feeding. So the demons begged him, "If you drive us out, send us into that herd of pigs".
Jesus ordered them, "Go". So they left and went into the pigs. The whole herd rushed down the cliff into the lake and drowned. The men in charge of them ran off to the town, where they told the whole story, also what had happened to the men possessed with the demons. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus; and when they saw him, they begged him to leave their area.
The question: From your point of view and understanding why did the town's people want Jesus to leave the area after he had performed such a marvelous miracle?

Bobbye answered on 07/02/08:

Here in Gadara the people were from the tribe of "Gad." In the Book of Joshua when the land was divided among the tribes of Israel, the tribe of Gad was one of the tribes that stayed on the East side of the Jordan River -- which was not God's plan from the Twelve Tribes.

What did this tribe do? They went into the "pig business," from which, as Jews, they were prohibited.

When Jesus entered their country, He was met by two demon-possessed men. The demons within the two "...besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the heard of swine." Matthew 8:30-31

And Jesus said, "Go." This angered the towns people, as the swine were their food and livelihood.

The moral to this stody: The Jews' disobedience to the Law caused this turmoil for the entire town. Our disobedience to the laws of God affect not only ourselves but those around us.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 07/01/08 - The amazing Jesus - do you believe it????????????

(Mt 8:23-27): Jesus got into the boat and his disciples followed him. Without warning a fierce storm hit the lake, with waves sweeping the boat. But Jesus was asleep. They woke him and cried, "Lord save us! We are lost!". But Jesus answered, "Why are you so afraid, you of little faith?". Then He stood up and ordered the wind and sea; and it became completely calm. The people were astonished. They said, "What kind of man is he? Even the winds and the sea obey him".
What do you think Jesus meant by "Why are you so afraid, you of little faith?" in this instance?

Bobbye answered on 07/02/08:

He meant, "You've seen the miracles. I'm here with you. WHY ARE YOU AFRAID WHEN THE GREATEST MIRACLE WORKER OF THE AGES IS IN THE BOAT WITH YOU?"

Doubt, unbelief, and "little faith" caused them to overlook the greatest Power of the universe right in their midst -- THE MIGHTY CHRIST! Comparable to having a loaded gun in your hand; you're an expert marksman, and then you panic at the sight of an intruder. MAKES NO SENSE!

Many of us are guilty of "little faith" or "unbelief" when confronted with an "apparent" disaster. Thank God for His watchcare over us!

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 06/17/08 - Can you love your enemy???????????????????????????????

Here Jesus tells us to love and love without measure.
Matthew 5:43. `You have heard how it was said, You will love your neighbour and hate your enemy.
44. But I say this to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;
45. so that you may be children of your Father in heaven, for he causes his sun to rise on the bad as well as the good, and sends down rain to fall on the upright and the wicked alike.
46. For if you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even the tax collectors do as much?
47. And if you save your greetings for your brothers, are you doing anything exceptional?
48. Do not even the gentiles do as much? You must therefore be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect."

Bobbye answered on 06/18/08:

ONLY THE CHRIST "WITHIN" CAN LOVE AN ENEMY!
Then, at best, we must practice the Christ-love and peace will spring forth.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 06/16/08 - I have some sad news for those who are interested......

I just received a POOF copy of my novel.
It has an error that makes it hard to read.
The print runs deep into the center of the open book's pages.
So that means that the print will need to be readjusted.
That will take another 4 to 5 weeks before it will be available for sale.
Sigh......

Bobbye answered on 06/17/08:

Fred, I posted earlier. I have no idea where my post landed. LOL

You should have gone to BookSurge. You can negotiate the price/book; they provide the template for your computer; they will do the cover/artwork, etc., if you like. Also, will secure the ISBN number and copyrite if you prefer.

One of my students just published and now has her book (not a novel, of course) in mega churches. Professionally written.

Be blessed in your writing endeavors.
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 06/16/08 - What do you see in this passage????????????????????


Mt 5:38-42): Jesus said to his disciples, “You have heard that it was said: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I tell you this: do not oppose evil with evil; if someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn and offer the other. If someone sues you in court for your shirt, give your coat as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. Give when asked and do not turn your back on anyone who wants to borrow from you”
Do you see, as I do, that Jesus is telling us that love over comes hate?
Also that love overcomes revenge; this is how He expressed it when, on his Cross, He interceded for his executioners: “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do” (Lk 23:34).

Bobbye answered on 06/16/08:

"Render good for evil!"

"Father, forgive them...!" "If that isn't love...?"

Blessings,
Bobbye

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STONY asked on 05/30/08 - DEAR BAL, WHAT WAS YOUR MESSAGE TO ME?

"WHEN YOU COME DOWN OFF THE CEILING, DON'T FALL TO HARD?"
I DO NOT THINK MARRIAGE IS IN MY FUTURE NOW. MY LADY ASKED MY TO CASH A CHECK FOR HER. NOW, I'M A TRUSTING KIND OF GUY BUT I'M NO IDIOT EITHER. I HAD THE CHECK RUN THRU A CHECK READER AT MY BANK BEFORE EVER TRYING TO CASH IT. I AM LOOKING FOR THE MICRO-ENCAPSULATED SECURITY CODE IMPREGNATED IN THE PAPER ON ALL CHECKS IN THE U.S.A. TO BE BLUNT, THERE WAS NO SECURITY CODE. THE CHECK IS A FRAUD!! HAD I TAKEN THAT CHECK DIRECTLY TO THE TELLER AND CASHED IT, MY ACC'T WOULD HAVE BEEN FROZEN, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET TO MY FUNDS. AND THEN IT GETS BETTER. I WOULD HAVE BEEN "RED FLAGGED" AS A FRAUDULENT CHECK PASSER, UNABLE TO OPEN ANOTHER ACC'T ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES BANKING SYSTEM.
MY DEAR, I DID FALL HARD BUT I KNOW HOW TO BOUNCE BACK..............................................TONY

Bobbye answered on 06/13/08:

Tony, did you ever speak with this "lady" over the 'phone or face to face? The purpose of my question is that DateLine has run quite a number of stories over the past several years re "ladies" and their "photos," which were actually submitted by men as "bait," in order to perpetrate such a ruse on unsuspecting males.

Sorry that I wasn't available to counsel with you when you first contacted me. That was the day or so after my brother passed. I'm just now getting back on schedule.

You are in my prayers!

Bobbye



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arcura asked on 06/12/08 - It is a struggle for you to try to meet this new

Standard for righteousness as set by Jesus Christ?

Matthew 5:20. `For I tell you, if your uprightness does not surpass that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never get into the kingdom of Heaven. 21. `You have heard how it was said to our ancestors, You shall not kill; and if anyone does kill he must answer for it before the court. 22. But I say this to you, anyone who is angry with a brother will answer for it before the court; anyone who calls a brother `Fool' will answer for it before the Sanhedrin; and anyone who calls him `Traitor' will answer for it in hell fire.
23. So then, if you are bringing your offering to the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24. leave your offering there before the altar, go and be reconciled with your brother first, and then come back and present your offering. (NJB)

We Christians are all brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus.
I do hope than there are none who have something against me.
I have none against any one for I have forgiven any and all who have sinned against me whether by thought word or deed whether I know about it or not.
I do that all the time in my daily prayers.
How and when do you forgive?
How big a struggle is it to meet the standard Jesus set?

Bobbye answered on 06/12/08:

"HOW AND WHEN?" "When you stand praying FORGIVE!" (Mark 11:25). Also, WHEN you recall the wrongs someone has done; when bitterness arises within you toward another; when hatred consumes you and causes illnesses within your mind, body, and soul! TIME TO FORGIVE! Easy? Certainly not! Oftentimes, it takes "time" to sort things and work on "FORGIVENESS!" But if we want to be forgiven, we must forgive.

"HOW BIG A STRUGGLE?" The Apostle Paul answered it for us: "...and that which I would do, I do not...."

Also, The Apostle taught: "We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities...."

Be blessed, Fred.
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 06/11/08 - Jordan archaeologists unearth 'world's first church'. Any Comments below?


AMMAN (AFP) - Archaeologists in Jordan have unearthed what they claim is the world's first church, dating back almost 2,000 years, The Jordan Times reported on Tuesday.

"We have uncovered what we believe to be the first church in the world, dating from 33 AD to 70 AD," the head of Jordan's Rihab Centre for Archaeological Studies, Abdul Qader al-Husan, said.

He said it was uncovered under Saint Georgeous Church, which itself dates back to 230 AD, in Rihab in northern Jordan near the Syrian border.

"We have evidence to believe this church sheltered the early Christians -- the 70 disciples of Jesus Christ," Husan said.

These Christians, who are described in a mosaic as "the 70 beloved by God and Divine," are said to have fled persecution in Jerusalem and founded churches in northern Jordan, Husan added.

He cited historical sources which suggest they both lived and practised religious rituals in the underground church and only left it after Christianity was embraced by Roman rulers.

The bishop deputy of the Greek Orthodox archdiocese, Archimandrite Nektarious, described the discovery as an "important milestone for Christians all around the world."

Researchers recovered pottery dating back to between the 3rd and 7th centuries, which they say suggests these first Christians and their followers lived in the area until late Roman rule.

Inside the cave there are several stone seats which are believed to have been for the clergy and a circular shaped area, thought to be the apse.

There is also a deep tunnel which is believed to have led to a water source, the archaeologist added.

Rihab is home to a total of 30 churches and Jesus and the Virgin Mary are believed to have passed through the area, Husan said.

Bobbye answered on 06/12/08:

Great, info, Maggie. Thanks for sharing.
I trust all is well with you and yours.
Bobbye

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bal317 asked on 06/10/08 - Jesus's Father?

Can someone explain please.
How can Jesus be said to be the son of Abraham or also David?
Why, isn't Joseph or wasn't Joseph the more logical one since he was married to Mary?

Bobbye answered on 06/10/08:

If you read Matthew 1, you will find the genealogy of Jesus.

Matthew 1:17, "so all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen,

from David to Baylonian exile fourteen generations,

from the Babylonian exile to the Christ fourteen generations."

It is the genealogy of Christ (Joseph, PRESUMED to be his "earthly" father/guardian)from Abraham to Christ. A most interesting study from the Jewish genealogical viewpoint. Please keep in mind Jesus' Father, as Scripture states: "...begotten of The Holy One!"

Joseph as "father" was from the Jewish, legal standpoint. How could mere mortals grasp "begotten of The Holy One?" Joseph? Yes, they could accept an earthly father as the "legal father."

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 01/04/08 - Well, how did the Iowa Caucus

go for you? With Huccabee and Obama winning there, how do you think they will do in New Hampshite?

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 01/07/08:

(1) Better than I expected! I think Huccabee will have problems in N.H. As one lady stated: "I'm not voting for a pastor; I'm voting for a President." The folks in N.H. appear to share her sentiments.

Obama will surge ahead, as he did in Iowa. People are sick of Washington and its style of politics.

In fact, Joe Palooka or Huckleberry Hound would be better candidates than "politics as usual."

(2) I think McCain and Romney will be neck-and-neck. The debate last evening certainly belonged to Romney.

Blesings,
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 12/21/07 - HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK

1. Open a new folder on your computer.
2. Name it "Hillary Clinton"
3. Send it to the trash.
4. Empty the trash.
5. Your PC will ask you, "Do you really want to get rid of "Hillary
Clinton?"
6. Firmly Click "Yes."
7. Feel better!
Tomorrow we'll do Giuliani.....

Bobbye answered on 12/22/07:

I start each day with a positive outlook -- a passage from God's Word!

Christmas blessings,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 12/19/07 - Peddlar, the truth is out:

You really are Ruth Baker who terrorized me on the ASKME board. READ THIS: You will never bother me again as I will continue to lift you up in prayer because my heart is concerned for you. I am posting the following to you and these are the exact same words from you (Peddlar) that Ruth Baker posted on ASME.:

peddlar
It is intersting to note that New Agers always talk down to me and yet they have no problem with supporting openly or by ignoring people talking about my dead mother, calling me a child molster etc.
________________________________________________

No more will I think that peddlar is you I now know. You always accused people of talking about your dead mother.

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 12/20/07:

Maggie, according to Colossians 1:20, the Blood of Jesus reconciles all things in Heaven and in earth! Ruth is not too big for God! You know that, as well as I.

I will continue to join with you in prayer regarding this venom.

Merry Christmas (and we have the air-conditioning on tonight)! LOL

Bobbye

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grayeagle_50 asked on 12/19/07 - Could it be?

I am thinking that the languages spoken In these two different times are the same . Can I get some insite as this is one of the rare times I imput thoery.

Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Bobbye answered on 12/20/07:

GrayEagle, the earth was of ONE LANGUAGE until the Tower of Babel (long "a') there at the Tigris River -- when Nimrod implemented the building of a tower (ziggurat) consisting of a lofty pyramidal structure built in successive stages with outside staircases and a shrine at the top.

The Tower was for the worship of the Moon, the stars, etc., but actually, Nimrod's ultimate plan was to have it as a gathering place of the peoples for self-glorification and self-worship.

It was in the building process of the Tower of Babel that GOD confounded their languages, and I'm sure you know the rest of the story.

From the Tower in Genesis until The Upper Room in Acts mankind spoke in various languages. We would probably have whacked those folks, but God chose to confound their languages -- HOW SMART IS OUR GOD! It's difficult, at best, to build alongside another without understanding the language. I go through this with my housekeeper and yard crew. I draw pictures, point, make signs and gyrations --to no avail at times.

P.S. The ONE LANGUAGE was obviously "Hebrew" according to most scholarly commentators.

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Ch.Pétrus.82 asked on 12/18/07 - Answer my question Peddler2


please!

Bobbye answered on 12/18/07:

She can't.

Bobbye

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peddler2 asked on 12/18/07 - Maggie-Who do you think you are?

This image of yourself as a kind, loving,intelligent human being is a pile of rubbish.
You give me this holier than thou bs about what I made clear was simply a facietius remark to demonstrate the insanity of Joy's jumping on Fred's bandwagon of calling me and all Babtists KKK members, abortion clinic bombers etc.
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Then you turn around and jump on the bandwagon yourself with your New Age buddies. In response to the New Agers hero, the God hating atheist domino ,while you were groveling at his feet you supported him against me.
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My mother was not a liar and was always involved with her church. She was well respected in our neighborhood
and she told how frightening it was to see a cross burning in a neighbors yard and she new men from the church that her mom and dad told of, they were afraid of them. My great-grandparents new these men of the church because they worked with them and went to church with them, no guessing about it.

MaggieB

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Where you posted this was deliberately intended to imply that Fred is right because your mother was the only human who never lied and therefore I am a child molester,nurse murderer etc.
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No one denies that the KKK exists. If it was as big as it seems the New Agers here think it is it would simply take over. The KKK is a horrible thing and I have been told certain people were members and when I checked them out 90% of them were not , the other 10% may have been. I have never known anyone in my entire life that I knew was a KKK member. No one I ever associated with was,that I am positive of.
If you study the history of the KKK you will find they are occultists like their hero Hitler. They justify abusing people of color with the theory of evolution. If you stop and think about it the KKK got going after the War between the States which ended in 1865 just 6 years after Darwin published the Origin and 4 years after Huxley's Man's place in nature. A few tears later Darwin published the Decent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex.
If you want to blame a group of Christians for the existence of the KKK the New Agers who accept millions of years and evolution are the ones to blame. If you actually read and then come to your conclusions instead of following others around like a sheep you might come to actually understand where Satan's best hope is. If people believe the Bible then no matter how different they see another to be they are their kinsman. We are all one big family and some are simple blessed with a bit more melanin than others. The KKK is famous for drawing blacks as apes.

I am 100% against abortion except to save the life of the mother but I not harm anyone for any reason other than to protect myself or an innocent person.
I fail to see the logic in killing a mother and her baby to "save" the baby. The baby goes to heaven . The mother may in time repent and rejoin her child.
But if she dies unsaved there is no hope for her.
No true Christian could ever kill another human being for being a sinner, we all are.
I do not bomb abortion clinics and would turn anyone into the law I had reason to believe did or was planning to.
I love nurses ,my grandmother was a nurse, my aunt is a nurse, my cousin, a nurse saved me from certain death. I never even hit a nurse much less killed one.
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You think highly of yourself but you are willing to join the crowd and make these horrible accusations without a shread of evidence.
I am not impressed.
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Bobbye answered on 12/18/07:

MaggieB is the same loving, caring, kind-hearted friend to all of us that she has been for the five-plus years that my family and I have known her.

Ruth, get to the altar quickly and repent of the hatred you have for God's people.

Bobbye
P.S. I couldn't care less about your opinion of me or Maggie, but, AS YOU WELL KNOW, I stand with friends when they are right -- regardless of the consequences.

Also, "I KNOW IN WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED AND AM PERSUADED THAT HE IS ABLE TO KEEP THAT WHICH I'VE COMMITTED UNTO HIM AGAINST THAT DAY!"

Ruth, are you ready to meet Jesus -- TODAY OR ANY DAY? THINK ABOUT IT!

Bobbye

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Ch.Pétrus.82 asked on 12/18/07 - To peddler2

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Where did MaggieB say that she thought "highly of herself"?

Bobbye answered on 12/18/07:

It didn't happen -- AND NEVER WILL COME FROM MAGGIE!

Pete, you're a great friend to all of us.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Mary_Susan asked on 12/17/07 - IS MIKE HUCKABEE THE ANTICHRIST????

IS MIKE HUCKABEE THE ANTICHRIST? by Marty Kaplan, Blogger.

1. Think about it. Have you ever seen the two of them in the same place?

2. Revelation 13 says that the Antichrist's kingdom will be both a political and an ecclesiastical power. Huckabee, a Baptist minister, is running for president.

3. That's right: President. Haven't you seen The Omen, people? (Is it just a coincidence that "Mike Huckabee" is an almost perfect anagram for "I am Damien"?)

4. No normal American man over the age of 40 loses 110 pounds. It's not natural.

5. Read this: "And that is why part of me, I confess, wants Huckabee to win. So he can lose. So the GOP can lose - as spectacularly and humiliatingly as possible. If we are to rid conservatism of this theocratic cancer, we need to start over. Maybe it has to get worse before it can get better." Who said it? Andrew Sullivan. Have you ever heard of the psy-ops mind trick called "negative psychology"? If Sullivan -- a gay Catholic -- says he wants Huckabee to get the Republican nomination so he can lose, you can bet your beanie that what the secret cabal of Romish sodomites really wants is for Huckabee to win.

6. Why do fundamentalist evangelicals support Israel? So that (Ezekiel 38-39) the forces of Gog and Magog can do battle in the valley of Megiddo in the 70th week of the End Times. No land of Israel, no Armageddon; no Armageddon, no Second Coming of Christ. Okay, so now tell me this: why has Tim LaHaye endorsed Mike Huckabee? Same reason. No Antichrist, no Left Behind. (By the way, is it just an "accident" that this point is number 6 on this list, and that there are 6 sentences in this point, and that the number of the beast is 666?)

7. Bill Clinton is from Hope. Mike Huckabee is from Hope. Do you really need someone to connect the dots?

8. Huckabee's sudden rise in the polls has been nothing short of miraculous. But II Thessalonians 2 points out how there will be a striking outward similarity between Antichrist and Christ. Did Christ support His claim to be God with signs and wonders? Check. So Antichrist, too, will perform signs and wonders. (Zogby 12:16).

9. The secular progressive liberal "New York" media love Huckabee. They have said repeatedly that he is "charming," that he is likable, authentic, comfortable in his own skin. But the devil who used a serpent to deceive the woman in the garden was also charming (Genesis 3). The devil is comfortable in his own skin, too. Sure, Huckabee's rhetoric is beguiling; none dare call it parseltongue.

10. 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11

Paid for by Anyone But Huckabee, an independent 527 group with no affiliation to any other Republican candidate.

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Well, is he, folks?

Bobbye answered on 12/17/07:

NO! And the soon-to-be-exposed skeletons in his closest will confirm this.

I know very little of him, but some T.V. reports are demanding explanation. If the ashes are smoldering, the fire was once there. But, I'll give him a chance to defend himself.

As WebGuy stated in another response (my paraphrase): "Could anyone be worse than Bush?"

Merry Christmas,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 12/17/07 - How many Christians here believe in "faith" healing?

Peddler doesn't per his/her own words:
The Babtist history goes back to the time of the apostles and they never participated in the charlaton faith healing or the emotionalism and self gratification of the tongues movement.
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Comments?

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 12/17/07:

How can you know what "BABTIST" believe if you can't spell the name? LOL

"Charlaton faith healing?" Really!

Christ the Healer has healed me and mine too many times to doubt His power now.

Re "tongues movement," did PEDDLER and the Baptist tear Acts 2 out of their Bibles?

Peddler also needs to study "blasphemy" quite seriously -- "...which will not be forgiven in this world nor the world to come!"

But again, is the one using the handle re the above the teen-ager/young adult or whoever????????? Ruth's grammar, etc. was a bit more mature, so she's not using the handle today. It's only when Ruth says, "Bobbye, haven't you read the Bible?" that I know for sure that Ruth's in tirade mode! LOL

Merry Christmas, Maggie.
Be blessed,
Bobbye
P.S. "Babtist history goes back to the tongues movement?" WHEN I WAS IN THE LARGEST SOUTHERN BAPTIST SEMINARY STUDYING "CHURCH HISTORY" (of course, "BaPtist church history in volumes), it would have surprised even the "BABTIST" to know that THEIR history goes back to the Apostles. LOL

Peddler, oh, Peddler. There is a difference in "church history" and historical Bible facts!

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Liz22 asked on 12/16/07 - Earth to peddler?

Are you a nice lady in your Baptist Church? Or one of those Holy Rollers:)))
Can you share with what you post on here, to your local Baptist Church?

Bobbye answered on 12/16/07:

Liz, the "Holy Rollers" don't pour out such venom as we see here.

Merry Christmas.
Bobbye

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peddler2 asked on 12/10/07 - Does the Bible say Mary Magdelan was a Whore?the

The Pope says no, Stony says yes and apparently believes that Jesus wanted her to be his woman.


Stony said:
AND CONSIDER IF YOU WILL THE WOMAN JESUS LOVED, MARY OF MAGDALA, A COMMON PROSTITUTE.


I agree with the Pope. No where in the Bible does it say she was a whore.
Your thoughts?
Can you back up your belief with scripture?

Bobbye answered on 12/10/07:

No! If you read the passages correctly, the passages concerning "Mary" is inferring Mary of Bethany. The immediate paragraph concerns Mary Magdalene, out of whom Jesus cast seven devils.

Bobbye
P.S. This debate over Mary Magdalene's being a prostitute has been going on for centuries. Jesus cast seven devils out of her. She was not the prostitute.

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PrinceHassim asked on 12/01/07 - Christmas Message from the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints .....

Thge LDS Church's First presidency sends this Christmas message:



In remembrance of the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, we express our heartfelt Christmas greetings at this festive season of the year.

We rejoice in the Savior's loving invitation: "Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me" (3 Nephi 9:14).

Jesus Christ is the Savior and Redeemer. We testify that He lives and that He loves our Heavenly Father's children. It is our sincere prayer that this knowledge will be a source of comfort and peace to one and all, and that each of us will seek His invitation to come unto Him.

May the spirit of Christmas, which is the spirit of Christ, bless and sustain each of us.

Bobbye answered on 12/02/07:

And may all who think you worship a "pagan god" read: "In remembrance of the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ...."

Ronnie, you and I will never agree theologically, but the common thread among all on this Board who claim to be "Christian," is Jesus Christ!

Blessings,
Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 11/30/07 - Is there any principle

or practice of your religion that you would refuse to compromise in a life or death situation?

Bobbye answered on 11/30/07:

To deny Jesus!

Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 11/28/07 - School Time - - - -

Promulgate ..............

Promulgate - 'To make known'

Bobbye answered on 11/28/07:

c-a-t = CAT

And then some will not comprehend!

Bobbye

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Jesushelper76 asked on 11/27/07 - Police,

How many of you had experiences with police? Be honest now.

How many of you think that Police officers, justice when getting hired. What kind of questions and training do they have.

Do you believe it is important for police to be objective and also not have any part in being racist towards anybody no matter what?

What do you think about the texas incident where the person called 911 thought his neighbours house was being burglerized. He said he has his gun ready and he is going to use it. Apparently 8 minutes later he already went over and killed whoever he thought was over there. Is there any justification for somebody to be so trigger happy? What took the police so long to show up? This is a big debate.

Well I am just throwing these questions in, I know I have a few spelling errors but that does not bother me and I think you know what exactly I mean. So here goes. many questions in one.

Bobbye answered on 11/27/07:

That was in my city. Eight minutes or eight seconds for the police to arrive (it doesn't matter), the dispatcher told him three times "DO NOT GO OUTSIDE!" He advised the dispatcher: "I'm not going to let them get away with this."

As the country song goes: "MIND YORE OWN B'NESS!"

He should be prosecuted.

Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 11/27/07 - A Joyous and Glorious Christmas - and, if you are in the area ......

..... then do look in in the greatest Christmas spectacle in Arizona - and it is free

Details Here

Ronnie

Bobbye answered on 11/27/07:

You tempt us to travel! I love Christmas lights and displays.

Also, while there, travelers should stop in at Tempe, Arizona and have a date shake! DELICIOUS!

Blessings,
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 11/24/07 - The Catholic Church does not only believe..........

in Purgatory but also teaches the same belief.

Some will confuse purgatory and limbo, but these are not the same. Here is the Catholic Churches teaching on Purgatory from, who else, the Catholic Church via the Catechism of the Catholic Church Articles 1030-1032:

1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. 606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: 607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come. 608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin." 609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God. 610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them. 611

These can even be found online to check at the following website:

http://www.kofc.org/faith/catechism/catechism.cfm

Bobbye answered on 11/24/07:

Hebrews 9:27 NKJV, "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but AFTER THIS THE JUDGMENT, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. to those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time; apart from sin, for salvation."

1 John 1:8-10 NKJV, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Fred, the greatest apologetics teach John 3:16 in refutation of "purgatory." "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH --

SHOULD NOT PERISH

SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE."

Fred, when Christ died "once for all," the sin question (the mistakes; our imperfections) were covered in the NEW CONTRACT -- N.T., WHICH CONTAINS BETTER PROMISES!

As the old hymn goes, "What can wash away my sin? NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!"

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 11/22/07 - Did Adam have ....................................................

Red hair? ..................................

Bobbye answered on 11/23/07:

"Adam" (Ah-dahm) means "red man" -- just as we call American Indians "red-skinned -- yet most do not appear "red" at all.

We have a "tribe" in our church -- but no red hair unless they have visited Erik (one of our resident hair stylists).

Bobbye

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domino asked on 11/23/07 - Isn't it uncanny....

The way the Unholy holly shows up with her redundant stupidites every time domino pins Peddliar's ass to the wall??? Why isn't our Christian prophetess, the UNHOLY HOLLY hanging her head in shame over her repeated and, obviously, assinine predictions that, 'come Thanksgiving' we would all be banned from the Christianity board. Just another psychotic liar, or another demented fundamentalist deciever???????

Bobbye answered on 11/23/07:

Thanks for identifying "Holly" for me.

'nuff said!

Bobbye

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STONY asked on 11/21/07 - THIS IS HILARIOUS...



HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYBODY


A young man named John received a parrot as a gift. The parrot had a bad attitude and an even worse vocabulary. Every word out of the bird's mouth was rude, obnoxious and laced with profanity.

John tried and tried to change the bird's attitude by consistently saying only polite words, playing soft music and anything else he could think of to "clean up" the bird's vocabulary.

finally, John was fed up and he yelled at the parrot. The parrot yelled back. John shook the parrot and the parrot got angrier and even ruder. John, in desperation, threw up his hand, grabbed the bird and put him in the freezer. For a few minutes the parrot squawked and kicked and screamed. Then suddenly there was total quiet. Not a peep was heard for over a minute. Fearing that he'd hurt the parrot, John quickly opened the door to the freezer.

The parrot calmly stepped out onto John's outstretched arms and said, "I believe I may have offended you with my rude language and actions. I'm sincerely remorseful for my inappropriate transgressions and I fully intend to do everything I can to correct my rude and unforgivable behavior." John was stunned at the change in the bird's attitude.

As he was about to ask the parrot what had made such a dramatic change in his behavior, the bird continued, "May I ask what the turkey did?"


HAPPY THANKSGIVING

Bobbye answered on 11/21/07:

Stony, I had received this from MaggieB and I just yelled when I reached the punch line!

Thanks for another good laugh.

Be blessed this Thanksgiving Season!

Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 11/19/07 - Abraham was neither Jew nor Israelite ... "The Movie"

. Abraham was chosen to enter into a personal covenant with God. Abraham's son Isaac was also the beneficiary of a personal covenant with God, and Isaac's son Jacob, whose name was changed by God to Israel, was also put under personal covenant by God.

In this respect, the grandfather, son and grandson were chosen by God to be the ancestors of a whole people that God would choose.

Jacob/Israel became the father of twelve sons and one daughter, and each of these sons became the leader or head of a tribe.




All the twelve sons of Jacob - born to wives Leah and Rachel, and their handmaidens Zilpah and Bilhah were blessed to be a part of the nation of Israel.

They would all enter the land of Canaan and receive an inheritance there.


According to prophecies and blessings on the head of each of his sons made by Jacob, some would receive a greater blessing than others, but even those who were rebuked were blessed.


The first four sons were born to Leah. In order of arrival, these are Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah. The descendants of Reuben are Reubenites. The descendants of Simeon are Simeonites. The descendants of Levi are Levites, and this tribe, of whom Moses and Aaron were members was singled out to bear the priesthood to the other the eleven tribes. The descendants of Judah were called Judahites of Jews.


Rachel, Jacob’s favourite, gave her handmaiden Bilhah to Jacob and she subsequently gave birth to Dan, whose descendants are Danites, and then to Naphtali, whose descendants are called Naphtalites.



The seventh and eighth sons were born to Zilpah, Leah's handmaiden. The first was Gad, whose descendants are Gadites, and the descendants of the second son, Asher are called Asherites

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The ninth son was born to Leah, and was named Issachar whose descendants are called Isaacharites. The tenth son, Zebulun, was also born to Leah, and his descendants are the Zebulunites.



The last two sons were born to Rachel. The first was the famous Joseph, whose descendants are Josephites. Joseph was Jacob [or Israel's] favourite. The second and youngest of Israel's twelve sons was Benjamin, whose descendants are known as Benjaminites.




When the tribes of the twelve patriarchs were led out of Egypt on their way to the Promised Land, they wandered forty years in the Wilderness of Zin until they were accepted as sufficiently purged to enter Canaan. On the way there, they were put under covenant as the whole of the twelve tribes of Israel but God, and thus was all the House of Israel [or Jacob] chosen by God to be the recipients and repository of God's truth, and through them all the Gentiles would see the blessings and benefits Israel enjoyed, and would then come to serve God.

To facilitate this, God separated the tribe of Levi and to them exclusively he gave the responsibility of the priestly offices.


God then divided the tribe of Joseph into two half-tribes,. One each named for the two sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, known as Ephraimites and Manassehites. When we take into account the dispersal of the Tribe of Levi into their fellow tribes, and the establishment of Josephites into the half-tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh, each of which was dealt with as a full tribe, we then have a total of twelve active, discrete and identifiable entities called Tribes, and among each a dispersed group, often large, of Levites assigned as priests and ministers, etc, but no longer having its own entity as a tribe, and apportioned no inheritance of land.

When the children of Israel entered Canaan they did so as discrete tribes each occupying separate tribal lands.

In course of time due to political machinations connected with discrete claims for kingship, they divided, with ten tribes occupying the northern part of Canaan, and two tribes settling in the south. These two kingdoms were known as the Northern Kingdom of Israel, and the Southern Kingdom of Judea.

The two tribes in the Southern Kingdom of Judea were the major tribe of Judah, from which name the nation and the people became known as JEWS, or JUDAHITES. The small tribe of Benjamin, of which Paul, formerly Saul, was a member settled with and mango the JEWS. Also found within the Kingdom of Judah was a contingent of Levites that had been appointed to mister the priestly offices and temple rites on behalf of the eleven tribes that were excluded from holding the priesthood by God.

In course of time, those who lived in the Southern Kingdom,. Judea, became known commonly as Judahites or JEWS, irrespective of whether they were descendants of Judah, Benjaminites, or Levites. Although this was largely a secular, political, cognomen and was not strictly accurate.

However, those people known today as Jews are descended from the Judahites, and could be either Judahites, Benjaminites, or Levites. A further point of interest is the fact that not all Levites were priests. Some Levites were temple workers but were not members of the courses of priests. Those Levites that were holders of the priesthood were known in Hebrew as ‘kohan,’ which is Hebrew for ‘priest.’ Their descendants may be recognised today by those bearing the name of Cohan or Cohen.


The ten tribes comprising the Northern Kingdom of Israel were finally defeated after a long siege – about three years – the Assyrian, by Tiglath-Pileser III, in 712 BC. The Israelites were taken captive and led to Assyria, where they were settled on the land, forced to give tribute to the monarch out of their yearly crops and herds and mostly forgotten. Some made their way back to Israel after many years and settled in the region known as Samaria.


Almost a century later, some Jews were released from their own, captivity [Babylonian] and allowed by Xerxes [Cyrus] to return to Judea and rebuild the city walls and construct the Second, or Zerubabbel’s, Temple. During this reconstruction some of the Israelites approached and asked to be allowed to assist in the rebuilding work. The Jews denied their request on the grounds that they were probably mongrels who were part Israelite and part Assyrian, or even full-blooded Assyrians, and their religion had been perverted by their captivity, and it was none too pure before they were exiled! This was the beginning of the ancient feud between Jews and Samaritans.


And there they sit: Israelites, Jews, and Samaritans. Although it is not inaccurate to describe Jews as Israelites, it is highly inaccurate and grossly simplistic to classify all Israelites as Jews.

Ronnie


Bobbye answered on 11/19/07:

"...and each of these sons became a leader or head of a tribe?"

Ronnie, where is the tribe of "Joseph" located?

Inquiring minds want to know. LOL

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 10/22/07 - Jesus died for the entire world

Scriptures tell us that Jesus died for the entire world. We are all sinners whether we admit it to ourselves or anyone else. None of us is any better than the other as far a human beings go, Jesus loves us all. That is why He died, the sins of the world.

You either except Him as Saviour and Lord of your life or you don't, but He still loves you. He didn't die just for certain people so we are to share His love with all and if they don't except Him then that is their loss.

Why keep quibbeling about it?

God bless,
MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 10/22/07:

Thank God for Jesus!

I stand amazed -- AT THIS AMAZING GRACE!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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ladybugca asked on 10/15/07 - christian

what is a true christian

Bobbye answered on 10/15/07:

"TO DO JUSTLY; LOVE MERCY, AND WALK HUMBLY WITH THY GOD!" A true Christian is one who walks in these precepts!

Of course, a "Christian" is a follower of and believer in "The Christ!"

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 10/13/07 - A sincere open question for Tom J Smith ..........................




Tom,

I drew your attention to the Charge of Jesus to the apostles when he delivered to the his charge in The Great Commission, and asked you to not that he did not send them forth on a persecuting ministry for the express purpose of discomforting those who rejected their message, which is your modus operandum. He told them to witness and go.

Can you say in your heart of hearts that any of the posts you have directed to me during the past two years have been intended to save my soul in love and have not been attempts to embarrass me or to make me look small in your eyes and in the eyes of other people?

I have read where in a response to another person you attempted to vindicate your bitterness and abuse towards me and my sacred faith by saying that you are doing it for the salvation of my eternal soul.

If you are speaking the truth about that, why are you always so hostile and demeaning, and is that the best way you can think of to bring me to Jesus and his salvation?

Ronnie - who is admittedly confused by the way you do what you say you are doing and why you cannot think of any better way to do it when the perfect example of Jesus stands before you.



Bobbye answered on 10/13/07:

"Honey draws far more flies than vinegar!"

Love will cover a multitude of sins -- if anyone here thinks you are a sinner.

JESUS PROVED THE ABOVE!
"Jesus and Love had a will to win" -- US!
"He drew a circle that took us in" -- AT CALVARY!

Ronnie, stay saved; love people, and THIS WILL KEEP YOU IN PERFECT PEACE, ACCORDING TO ISAIAH 26:3.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 10/13/07 - The A-Bomb


It's time to REALLY get tough on Iraq and Iran. Let's use the A-Bomb and drop it on the central perimeters of these adjacent countries after dropping leaflets two weeks ahead of time telling all civilians and those who want a Democracy to migrate. It worked for Truman, but he didn't drop leaflets.

Disclaimer: This is just one scenario. I'm neither for or against it. I'd like your input.

Leslie



Bobbye answered on 10/13/07:

Hank, if you're going to drop bombs, come up to date. The nuclear bomb superceded the A-bomb. In my younger years I worked for one of the developers of the Manhattan project (the Atomic bomb).

Dropping any nuke destroys the innocent, as well as the guilty. Have you not kept pace with the stories of those scarred for life?

Staying out of the affairs of other nations would eliminate most global confrontations.

Bobbye

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peddler2 asked on 10/12/07 - Does Ronnie have magic rocks in his hat?

Clarification/Follow-up by PrinceHassim on 10/11/07 11:19 pm:

Dydimus the Doubter,

Joseph Smith taught you something that you didn't know and something you don't believe. Jesus had the same experience in the meridian of time during his earthly ministry. There were disbelievers than just as you disbelieve today.


Seeing as there is no evidence for this bit of Bray Gnosticism Ronnie must have magic rocks like Joe the man who said god told him to sleep with other men's children and there wives or perhaps a Dick Tracy decoder ring?



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Bobbye answered on 10/12/07:

Peddler, please lay this down. Ronnie is a Mormon; will always be a Mormon, and NOTHING YOU POST WILL CHANGE HIS BELIEFS.

ALSO, HE HAS A RIGHT TO BELIEVE AS HE DOES -- THE SAME AS YOU HAVE YOUR RIGHTS. AND I HAVE MY RIGHTS TO MY BELIEFS -- AS ALL ON THIS BOARD!

Please, let's lay this religious debate aside and post useful, insightful, helpful, intelligent questions/answers.

In years past, many would post, "I'VE LEARNED FROM THIS BOARD!" That can no longer be said.

PLEASE, PLEASE STOP THESE ATTACKS. If Ronnie posts something that ruffles your feathers, MOVE ON! And vice-versa!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 10/12/07 - Brigham Young: President of the USA? or False prophecy?

"The Church and kingdom to which we belong will become the kingdom of our God and
his Christ, and brother Brigham Young will become President of the United States."
(Source: Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, 5:219)

Bobbye answered on 10/12/07:

That will never happen; but if possible, even in spirit form, it would beat what's in the White House now!

BILLIONS FOR IRAQ! NOT ONE CENT FOR CHILDREN'S HEALTH INSURANCE!

And this is our beloved merica??????????????


Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 08/25/07 - Flooding throughout the country.

Just checking in and hoping CeeBee and Mary Susan are safe in Chicago land. Also, hope Bobbye is not flooded in Texas.

You guys check in and let us know how you are.

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 08/25/07:

Maggie, I've been trying to get a moment to e-mail you re our "flooding." It has rained since June 15. Still raining this afternoon.

We've had to cancel a Thursday function for the past 2 weeks. Hope next week will have some sunshine.

Thanks for caring!
Be blessed,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 07/24/07 - pete,

Pray you are not in the flood prone area of UK.

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 07/24/07:

Yes! Great post, Maggie.

Pete, we look forward to hearing from you soon!

Blessings and prayers.
Bobbye

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domino asked on 07/02/07 - Isn't it ironic....

That Jesse Jane Dupree, whose postings are littered with references to mens asses, sodomy, penis size, who seems to know, intimately, what homosexual practices are, and whose files seeme to be filled to the brim with photos, that he has posted on this board, of every single 'gay pride' parade EVER, and who post websites of gay rock groups, still tries to convince us that he is not a repressed homosexual, without the courage to come out of his closet??? I can't imagine two 'users' more obsessed with Sodomy, than Jesse Jane and Peddler. Go figure!!!! ROTFLMAO

p.s. For those who care to do the search of Wetellyou....you may be lucky enough to find JESSE JANES 'confession'!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bobbye answered on 07/02/07:

Aton, who is "Holly?"

Thanks.
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 06/30/07 - To set the record straight:

Bobbye does not lie. We became friends in 2000 via AskMe and have corresponded through e-mails and phone during that time.

We have shared each others pains and problems, prayed for each other, prayed for many, many others. She has sent me booklets she has written.

She has helped some on these boards financially; hands out clothing etc. on Saturdays to the needy; plus taking foods to some also. It would be nice if some of you only knew what other Christians do instead of sitting in front of their computers all day and downing everyone that logs on no matter what they say.

It has been a pleasure to learn to know her and love her. She is a Christian leader that is respected in her hom town.

Thank God for Bobbye, the
world would be better off with many more like her.

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 06/30/07:

Thanks, Maggie. Together, you and I have weathered many storms since our meeting on AskMe.com. That was a blast or two!!! Whew!!!!!! LOL

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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domino asked on 06/29/07 - Silence means consent!!!

In a public response to Domino, the Nazi Peddler states that she would favor the death penalty for gay men and women...."better to exterminate the sodomites, than have them destroy society"!!!

Since not ONE CHRISTIAN on this board has come forward to deny the Hitler-inspired filth of this bigoted little NAZI, do we assume that CHRISTIANTIY is in favor of her 'final solution' for the "problem" of gay men and women in our society???????

Bobbye answered on 06/29/07:

I'm just getting here since Thursday a.m.

"GOD SO LOVED THE WORLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The world" includes whosoever will. What kind of God would we have if he were bigoted? No on on this Board would be saved!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't anyone say I am condoning sodomy. I state most emphatically: "I SERVE A GOD WHO LOVES; FORGIVES; SHOWS MERCY" and "HIS MERCY ENDURETH FOREVER!"

If anyone on this Board can prove that God loves everyone except those committing a specific sin, I'll forget about mercy and grace! GOD HATES SIN, BUT HE SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE FOR SINNERS -- AND YES, THAT INCLUDES PUDDLES, ET AL.

Be blessed and in health,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 06/28/07 - 2 Timothy 4:7-8 NKJV

2 Timothy 4:7-8 NKJV


I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

Bobbye answered on 06/28/07:

Thank God, Maggie, that the great and righteous Judge will judge us -- and not those who look outwardly.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Jn17.3 asked on 06/27/07 - Christians stand aginst this spoling.

In the wonderful name of Jesus make them stop

Bobbye answered on 06/27/07:

Aton, I'm still on this Board!
Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 06/26/07 - Bobbye-Is Jesus God?

Your defense of Mormonism makes me question your Christianity. If you believe that you can be saved by believing that god used to be a man and Jesus was Satan’s older brother and a created being then you yourself are not saved.
Jesus Christ made it absolutely clear that if you don't believe He is the God-man you perish in your sins.

Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Go to your local LDS center and ask the preacher if Jesus Christ was Satan’s brother and find out the truth. That is what they teach.

You are encouraging Ronnie and others to reject Christ and turn their back on salvation. Is that your intention? I don't think it is but it matters not why. Ignorance is no excuse. Even the United Methodist and the RCC as wildly liberal as they are reject Mormonism.

Maybe you think you are being a loving Christian by accepting these pagans as Christian brothers but encouraging people to reject salvation is the cruelest thing a human can do.

Bobbye answered on 06/27/07:

I did not defend Mormonism. I defended Ronnie's Christianity. I STAND ON THE ACTIONS OF THE HEART -- not someone's theology.

Bobbye
P.S. Peddler, you are not my judge nor my God.

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MaggieB asked on 06/26/07 - KEEP IN MIND


“He hath showed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” (Micah 6:8).

Bobbye answered on 06/26/07:

Amen!

And I thank God for HIS MERCY TOWARD US!

"Mercy there was great!
And grace was free at Calvary!"

Thanks for sharing.
Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 06/26/07 - The Mormon Jesus is the Bible Jesus



I know some pettifogging bigots imagine they know better than I do which Jesus is my Jesus and the Jesus of Mormons, but I yield to none of their specious and twisted arguments, and here for all to see I set out exactly who my Jesus and the Mormon Jesus is.





We believe in Christ with a fixed purpose that defies earth and hell; we are Christians in the true full, literal, and complete sense of the word. We are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- Mormons, if you will -- and as such we have power to become the sons and daughters of God by faith. We are all these things and much, much more because we believe the truth and have a hope of eternal life. ???

I have the real Jesus. You have any other jesus you like.


The Mormon Jesus



The ‘Mormon Jesus’ – as bigots like to call Him – was born as a babe in Bethlehem of a mortal mother, Mary, and a divine father, identified in scripture as ‘The Highest,’ and was thus the incarnation of deity. He is not the father but he is the Son of the Father, and his Only Begotten in the Flesh.

The ‘Mormon’ Jesus Christ is our Saviour and Redeemer. He it is that healed the blind, the lame, and the halt, he raised the dead, walked on the water, turned water into wine, who led men to God and who taught that there is no other way to God except through himself, the Son of God.

The Mormon Jesus was attacked by religious bigots who accused him of keeping bad company with taxmen, whores, gluttons, drunkards, and of letting his disciples work on the Sabbath when all they did was rub ears of corn between their palms and eat the kernels.

The Mormon Jesus was ridiculed, despised, and bigots and hypocrites tried to take him to kill him, eventually succeeding to kill the Son of God.

By his death on the cross of Calvary and by the shedding of his innocent blood, the Mormon Jesus paid the price for the sins of all mankind – including the sins of bigots – and enabled every man who would be clean from his sins to become clean by following his example and being baptised for the remission of sins, and thus be able to stand in a right relationship to God the Father, and having had his sins remitted, to enter into his presence and kingdom of heaven and enjoy full salvation.

The Mormon Jesus rose from the dead after three days in the tomb, and appeared to many, including Thomas who doubted that Jesus was literally resurrected, to whom Jesus gave infallible proof that he was in his own resurrected body by letting him feel him, and by eating fish and honeycomb.

The Mormon Jesus appeared to as many as five hundred brethren in his post resurrection ministry, and we know not to how many women and children.

The Mormon Jesus appeared to Paul at least six times, as recorded in the New Testament.

The Mormon Jesus neither practised nor encouraged bigotry.

The Mormon Jesus ascended to heaven in sight of his eleven apostles, who were told by an attendant angel that he would return ‘in like manner.’

The Mormon Jesus is the promised Messiah, who was to come and save the people from their sins.

The Mormon Jesus was exalted by God the Father and now sits at the right hand of the Father.

The Mormon Jesus is not God the Father, but his Firstborn and his Only Begotten.
The Mormon Jesus is that same Jesus who is found in the Old and New Testaments as Jehovah in the Old, and as Jesus in the New.

The Mormon Jesus is the Word of God who was with God in the pre-existence, and who emptied himself of the glory he had with the Father to come to earth as man-God and sacrifice his life for the sins of many.

The Jesus of the Bible is the Mormon Jesus.

The Mormon Jesus said, “My Father is greater than I!”

The Mormon Jesus said, “Not my will, but thine be done.”

The Mormon Jesus created the worlds, and is Lord of Lords, and, as the Psalmist said: "judgeth among the gods." (Psalm 82:1.) Moses might have said with propriety, he is the "living God," and the Mormons Jesus, speaking of the flesh, could say: I am the son of man. Peter, enlightened by the Holy Ghost: could say “Thou art the son of the living God,” meaning our Father in heaven, who is the Father of all spirits (Hebrews 12.9)

The Mormon Jesus said: " … I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one."

No intelligent person will construe these words to mean that Jesus and his Father are one person, but that they are one in knowledge, truth, wisdom, in understanding, and purpose, just as the Mormon Jesus himself admonished his disciples to be one with him, and to be in him, that he might be in them. (see John 17.

The Mormon Jesus himself was not perfect at first; he received not a fullness at first, but he received grace for grace, and he continued to receive more and more until he received a fullness.

[The Mormon Jesus] … in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; and being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him. (Hebrews 5.7-9)

The Mormon Jesus, our Saviour, was a God before he was born into this world, and he brought with him that same status when he came here. He was as much a God when he was born into the world as he was before. But as far as this life is concerned it appears that he had to start just as all other children do and gain his knowledge line upon line. Luke says be "increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." (Luke 2.52) John records that "he received not of the fullness at the first," but had to progress "from grace to grace, until he received a fullness." (D&C 93:12).

Before he was 12 years old, the Mormon Jesus astonished the doctors and wise men in the temple. He had learned a great deal about his Father's business. This knowledge came to him by revelation, by the visitation of angels, or in other ways. But his knowledge, so far as this life was concerned, had to come line upon line and precept upon precept.

It was the Mormon Jesus' full obedience that fully ransomed us all: "So by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" (Romans 5:19).

Marvellous as the Mormon Jesus was, " … yet learned he obedience by the things that he suffered," and thereby the Mormon Jesus was made perfect. (Hebrews 5:8-9.)

I echo the words of Bruce McConkie, speaking a few days before his death:

”And now, as pertaining to this perfect atonement, wrought by the shedding of the blood of God, I testify that it took place in Gethsemane and at Golgotha; and as pertaining to Jesus Christ, I testify that he is the son of the Living God and was crucified for the sins of the world. He is our Lord, our God, and our King. This I know of myself, independent of any other person. I am one of his witnesses, and in a coming day I shall feel the nail marks in his hands and in his feet and shall wet his feet with my tears. But I shall not know any better then than I know now that he is God's Almighty Son, that he is our Saviour and Redeemer, and that salvation comes in and through his atoning blood and in no other way.”


Brian, if there is one thing that I will not permit you or any other bigot to do, it is to unilaterally foist on me a sub-standard Jesus of your, own manufacture that does not satisfy my personal faith and is unrecognisable to me after almost sixty years of devotion to He - whom you in your sneering cynicism refer to as “The Mormon Jesus” – who is the Lord of Creation and stood with his Father God to make the world on which we stand.

The Mormon Jesus, who is MY Jesus, is the Bible’s Jesus. He is the Jesus who is revealed throughout its pages, and he and he alone is My Jesus, the Mormons Jesus, my Saviour, the Mormon Saviour, my Redeemer, the Mormon Redeemer.

Mr Bigot,

You can repeat the lies you believe until you are blue in the face, but nothing you or anyone else can say is able to alter one yod of the truth that the Mormon Jesus is the Jesus found in the Holy Bible, and may God confound all who dissemble and prevaricate to try to have it otherwise.

Mr Bigot,

Whatever Jesus you choose to believe in, I leave entirely to you. But do not fashion a false Jesus and thrust him on me. Wear your own concoctions, and limit your dishonesty, your loathing, your hatred, your bigotry, and your silliness, to yourself and your immediate family. I’ll none of it!

Ronnie Bray - Christian and Mormon



Bobbye answered on 06/26/07:

And based upon the above statement, I have defended you through the years regarding your Salvation through Christ Jesus!

In spite of our differences, I have stood firm in that you are Christian!

I thank God that sinful flesh cannot judge my Salvation, for mortal sees his own imperfections when TRYING to judge the heart or another.

Be blessed for sharing,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 06/23/07 - It is finished


“It is finished.” God will spare the sinner because He did not spare His Son. God can pass by your transgressions because He laid those transgressions upon His only begotten Son nearly two thousand years ago. If you believe in Jesus (that is the point), then your sins were carried away by Him who was the scapegoat for His people.

Bobbye answered on 06/23/07:

Yes! IT IS FINISHED!

Christ satisfied the demands of The Law -- for us! "WHAT THE LAW COULD NOT DO in that it was weak through the flesh (OUR FLESH), God sending His own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, for sin, condemened sin in the flesh." Romans 1:3

Thank you, Jesus.

Beautiful, Maggie.

Reminds me of a little chorus The Holy Spirit gave me a couple of years ago:
"Oh, the Blood. Oh, the Blood that sets the sinner free.
Oh, the Blood. Oh, the Blood STILL FLOWS FROM CALVARY!

"Oh, the Blood. Oh, the Blood that washes white as snow.
Oh, the Blood. Oh, the Blood, no greater Power I know!"

Be blessed,
Bobbye



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Ccl471 asked on 06/19/07 - Name of Minister

Wikipedia says in its article about Led Zeppelin's song "Stairway to Heaven" that in 1982 a prominent Baptist minister preached a message on the radio saying that the song contained backward sublimnal messages. You know, the message with the words "my sweet Satan," and "sad Satan," that some call a Satanic message?

So, just what was the name of the Baptist minister who preached the message?


Many thanks,

C.L.

Bobbye answered on 06/19/07:

Probably Falwell.

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 06/13/07 - Who is it that has Holy Spirit?

The Bible is simple enough that even a child can understand it in many ways, but it is also a very difficult book. It is difficult because it does not reveal its secrets to those who are not spiritually discerning and open to Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:1-16 NIV
When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or superior wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit's power, so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power. We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" -- but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
With Holy Spirit residing in us and illuminating the truth of the Word, it opens up to us in all its majesty and wonder. You don't have to be a scholar to discern God's truth when Holy Spirit is leading you.

On the flip side, even the greatest of scholars will never understand simple biblical truths if Holy Spirit is not there to illuminate for them. Churches, Bible colleges and seminaries are full of scholars who know about the Word in great depth but they never comprehend the truth of it.

I find it interesting that when Jesus was resurrected the Scriptures tell of Him being seen by hundreds of believers. I may be wrong but I cannot seem to find an account anywhere of the resurrected Jesus ever being seen by an unbeliever. Perhaps like God's Word, the truth was revealed only to those who were sealed by Holy Spirit and had the spiritual eyes to see.

Who is it that has Holy Spirit? Only a true believer. All true believers have Him.

Romans 8:9b NIV
if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

C/P

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 06/13/07:

"Words fitly spoken...."

Great!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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revdauphinee asked on 06/12/07 - belief in God

A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed.

As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation.

They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists."

"Why do you say that?"asked the customer.

"Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist.

Tell me, if God exists,would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine loving a God who would allow all of these things."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument.

The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and un-kept.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist."

"How can you say that?"asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber.And I just worked on you!"

"No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside."

"Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."

"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world."

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Bobbye answered on 06/12/07:

Amen! A "sermon in a nutshell!"

Thanks for sharing, Dorothy.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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domino asked on 06/12/07 - Is this why the rest of us have to pay taxes????

A freakish evangelical preacher, in Tampa, Florida, Bill Keller, has advised his listeners that, Republican/Mormon Presidential Candidate, Mitt Romney is "part of a satanic Mormon cult" and "If you vote for Mitt Romney, you are voting for Satan"!!!!!

Americans United for Separation of Church and State has asked the IRS to investigate Keller. They would like to take away his 'tax-exempt' status with his non-profit ministry.

Do you think hate merchants like Keller should enjoy TAX EXEMPTION for preaching anti-Mormon hate rhetoric, and trying to bastardize the U.S. election process??????

Full story can be read at:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2007/6/10/259173.html.

p.s. On a personal note: Mitt Romney is the ONLY Republican candiate for whom I would ever consider voting!!!! He is a man of honor and compassion; a humanitarian and a man of true Presidential timbre. No other Republican canidate can match his ethical and moral reputation.

Bobbye answered on 06/12/07:

Disgusting! Keller should review the Constitution of the United States: "No test of faith...."

President Kennedy faced the same bigotry -- AND HE WON THE ELECTION! Who knows???

Keller is merely a "sounding brass and tinkling symbol" of stupidity; ignorance, and bigotry! His time would be better spent studying the comments of Jesus regarding his fellowman.

Thanks for the info.
Bobbye

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jjgoss asked on 06/06/07 - ..Israel Displays Rare Biblical Manuscript..

.. JERUSALEM (AP) - A rare Old Testament manuscript some 13-hundred years old is on display for the first time at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem.

The manuscript, containing the "Song of the Sea" section of the Book of Exodus and dating to around the seventh century A-D, comes from what scholars call the silent era -- a span of 600 years between the third and eighth centuries from which almost no Hebrew manuscripts survive.

The parchment is believed to have been left in a vast depository of medieval Jewish manuscripts discovered in the late 1800s in a previously unknown room at an ancient Cairo synagogue. It was in private hands until the late 1970s, when its American owner turned it over to Duke University.

The manuscript is now on display in the Israel Museum's Shrine of the Book, which also houses the Dead Sea Scrolls...

Bobbye answered on 06/06/07:

Thanks for sharing.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 06/03/07 - Roll call.............................................

Joy doesn't think any of the regulars are here any longer.

Please stand up and be counted!

CeeBee - present and accounted for!

Bobbye answered on 06/04/07:

Present!
Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 06/01/07 - Is it possible to rid the board of spammers and flamers?

This is no longer a good place to be with all this stupidity. can anything be done about it? Moderated boards are much better, because flaming is nixed and spamming is not permitted.

It is time to fix it or forget it.

This look slike a good one, and there seem to be a couple of well-known names on it.

http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/


Bobbye answered on 06/01/07:

Ronnie, how many years or months ago did I nominate you as a "monitor," only to be blown out of the water??????????

The present condition of this Board proves that it would have been better than what we're experencing at this time.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 05/31/07 - Comment to Bobbye

I cannot respond in that clarification area because hOPE has me blocked.

Bobbye,

My apologies for mis-understanding your comments. I thought that you were saying that hOPE has never been rude.

I do know that you are not in the dark about JWs and that is why I was surprised when I read what I understood to be your intent - again, my apologies.

Tom

Bobbye answered on 06/01/07:

No problem, Tom. The biggest problem here is spam. I've waded through 10 pages to get here.

I realized what was happening after I posted a comment to you. Also, CeeBee's clarification comment was posted as I was "sending," so all is well.

Be blessed.
Bobbye
P.S. Do you or anyone know how to contact the owners of this site to get them to stop the spamming?

Thanks.

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jjgoss asked on 05/31/07 - .. THE JESUS TOMB? ‘TITANIC’ TALPIOT TOMB THEORY SUNK FROM THE START..

..Remember the tale of the Titanic? How it was supposed to be impregnable, and nothing could poke holes in it? How it would never be sunk? Well all I can say is that human hubris knows no bounds, and that hasn’t changed in the last century. On April 15th 1912 the supposedly leak proof Titanic rammed into an iceberg and sank—sank like a giant stone. Sank quickly, with great loss of life.
Why do I bring this up? Because in one of the interesting ironies in recent memory, James Cameron the movie director who made the enormously successful film “Titanic”, on the night after the Oscars, will give an Oscar winning performance at a news conference along with Simcha Jacobovici who have now produced a Discovery Channel special on the discovery of Jesus’ tomb, ossuary, bones, and that of his mother, brothers, wife, and his child Jude as well! Who knew! The show will air on March 4th. In addition we are now regaled with a book by Simcha and Charles Pellegrino entitled The Jesus Family Tomb: The Discovery, the Investigation, and the Evidence That Could Change History just released today by Harper-Collins timed to co-ordinate with their news conference and the Discovery Channel special. Why should we be skeptical about this entire enterprise?

First of all, I have worked with Simcha. He is a practicing Jew, indeed he is an orthodox Jew so far as I can tell. He was the producer of the Discovery Channel special on the James ossuary which I was involved with. He is a good film maker, and he knows a good sensational story when he sees one. This is such a story. Unfortunately it is a story full of holes, conjectures, and problems. It will make good TV and involves a bad critical reading of history. Basically this is old news with a new interpretation. We have known about this tomb since it was discovered in 1980. There are all sorts of reasons to see this as much ado about nothing much:

1) The statistical analysis is of course only as good as the numbers that were provided to the statistician. He couldn’t run numbers he did not have. And when you try to run numbers on a combination name such as ‘Jesus son of Joseph’ you decrease the statistical sample dramatically. In fact, in the case of ‘Jesus son of Joseph’ you decrease it to a statistically insignificant number! Furthermore, so far as we can tell, the earliest followers of Jesus never called Jesus ‘son of Joseph’. It was outsiders who mistakenly called him that! Would the family members such as James who remained in Jerusalem really put that name on Jesus’ tomb when they knew otherwise? This is highly improbable. My friend Richard Bauckham provides me with the following statistics:

Out of a total number of 2625 males, these are the figures for the ten most popular male names among Palestinioan Jews. the first figure is the total number of occurrences (from this number, with 2625 as the total for all names, you could calculate percentages), while the second is the number of occurrences specifically on ossuraies.

1 Simon/Simeon 243 59
2 Joseph 218 45
3 Eleazar 166 29
4 Judah 164 44
5 John/Yohanan 122 25
6 Jesus 99 22
7 Hananiah 82 18
8 Jonathan 71 14
9 Matthew 62 17
10 Manaen/Menahem 42 4

For women, we have a total of 328 occurrences (women's names are much less often recorded than men's), and figures for the 4 most popular names are thus:

Mary/Mariamne 70 42
Salome 58 41
Shelamzion 24 19
Martha 20 17

You can see at once that all the names you're interested were extremely popular. 21% of Jewish women were called Mariamne (Mary). The chances of the people in the ossuaries being the Jesus and Mary Magdalene of the New Testament must be very small indeed.

By the way, 'Mara' in this context does not mean Master. It is an abbreviated form of Martha. probably the ossuary contained two women called Mary and Martha (Mariamne and Mara).

There are so many flaws in the analysis of the statistics themselves, that one must assume the statistician did not have the right or sufficient data to work with.

2) there is no independent DNA control sample to compare to what was garnered from the bones in this tomb. By this I mean that the most the DNA evidence can show is that several of these folks are inter-related. Big deal. We would need an independent control sample from some member of Jesus' family to confirm that these were members of Jesus' family. We do not have that at all. In addition mitacondrial DNA does not reveal genetic coding or XY chromosome make up anyway. They would need nuclear DNA for that in any case. So the DNA stuff is probably thrown in to make this look more like a real scientific fact. Not so much.

3) Several of these ossuaries have very popular and familiar early Jewish names. As the statistics above show, the names Joseph and Joshua (Jesus) were two of the most common names in all of early Judaism. So was Mary. Indeed both Jesus’ mother and her sister were named Mary. This is the ancient equivalent of finding adjacent tombs with the names Smith and Jones. No big deal.

4) The historical problems with all this are too numerous to list here: A) the ancestral home of Joseph was Bethlehem, and his adult home was Nazareth. The family was still in Nazareth after he was apparently dead and gone. Why in the world would be be buried (alone at this point) in Jerusalem? It’s unlikely. B) One of the ossuaries has the name Jude son of Jesus. We have no historical evidence of such a son of Jesus, indeed we have no historical evidence he was ever married; C) the Mary ossuaries (there are two) do not mention anyone from Migdal. It simply has the name Mary-- and that's about the most common of all ancient Jewish female names. D) we have names like Matthew on another ossuary, which don't match up with the list of brothers' names.
E) By all ancient accounts, the tomb of Jesus was empty-- even the Jewish and Roman authorities acknowledged this. Now it takes a year for the flesh to desiccate, and then you put the man's bones in an ossuary. But Jesus' body was long gone from Joseph of Arimathea's tomb well before then. Are we really to believe it was moved to another tomb, decayed, and then was put in an ossuary? Its not likely. F) Implicitly you must accuse James, Peter and John (mentioned in Gal. 1-2-- in our earliest NT document from 49 A.D.) of fraud and coverup. Are we really to believe that they knew Jesus didn't rise bodily from the dead but perpetrated a fraudulent religion, for which they and others were prepared to die? Did they really hide the body of Jesus in another tomb? We need to remember that the James in question is Jesus' brother, who certainly would have known about a family tomb. This frankly is impossible for me to believe.

5) One more thing of importance. The James ossuary, according to the report of the antiquities dealer that Oded Golan got the ossuary from, said that the ossuary came from Silwan, not Talpiot, and had dirt in it that matched up with the soil in that particular spot in Jerusalem. In fact Oded confirmed this to me personally when I spoke with him at an SBL meeting. Why is this important? Well because the ossuaries that came out of Talpiot came out of a rock cave from a different place, and without such soil in it. To theorize that there was a Jesus family tomb, and yet the one member of Jesus' family who we know was buried in Jerusalem for a long time did not come out of the ground from that locale contradicts this theory. Furthermore, Eusebius reports that the tomb marker for James' burial was close to where James was martyred near the temple mount, indeed near the famous tombs in the Kidron valley such as the so-called tomb of Absalom. Talpiot is nowhere near this locale.

6)What should we make of James Tabor’s being co-opted into this project? You will remember his book which came out last year The Jesus Dynasty. In that book he had quite a good deal to say about the Talpiot Tomb, and about Panthera being the father of Jesus, and about Jesus being buried in Galilee, and of course nothing about a ossuary which claims that Joseph is the father of Jesus. Why such a quick reversal of his earlier opinions? This makes him appear very quixotic, not a very reliable witness who sticks by his guns when he draws a conclusion, for he has now reversed himself not just on one or two minor points, but on several major ones. My advise to James, whom I respect and who has not only done some fine archaeological work but is a nice guy, is to disassociate himself from this speculative and flawed theory just as quick as possible if he cares for his reputation as a scholar.

In the Toronto Star article from Sunday’s paper, we find that the unraveling has begun before they even hold the news conference today--- here is a brief quote from the article written by Stuart Laidlaw---

“But there is one wrinkle that is not examined in the documentary, one that emerged in a Jerusalem courtroom just weeks ago at the fraud trial of James ossuary owner Oded Golan, charged with forging part of the inscription on the box.

Former FBI agent Gerald Richard testified that a photo of the James ossuary, showing it in Golan's home, was taken in the 1970s, based on tests done by the FBI photo lab. The trial resumes tomorrow.

Jacobovici conceded in an interview that if the ossuary was photographed in the 1970s, it could not then have been found in a tomb in 1980.

But while he does not address the conundrum in the documentary, he said in an interview that it's possible Golan's photo was printed on old paper in the 1980s.”

Here is the link to the Toronto Star article.

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/185708

In fact the same article reports that Professor Amos Kloner from bar Ilan University has already told the German press “It's a beautiful story but without any proof whatsoever." He is important since he did extensive work and research on this very tomb and its ossuaries and came to negative conclusions published in a journal in 1996. In short, this is old news, to which has been added only the recent DNA testing and statistical analysis neither of which makes the case the film makers want to make.


I feel sorry for Simcha, but I know how these things happen. One’s enthusiasm for a subject propels one into over-reaching when it comes to drawing conclusions. The problem with keeping these ideas secret for the sake of making a big splash of publicity, and lots of money, is that peer review by a panel of scholars could have saved these folks a lot of embarrassment down the road. ‘C’est la vie.'

So my response to this is clear--- James Cameron, the producer of the movie Titantic, has now jumped on board another sinking ship full of holes, presumably in order to make a lot of money before the theory sinks into an early watery grave. Man the lifeboats and get out now.
For those wanting much more on the historical Jesus and James and Mary see now my WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH JESUS? (Harper-Collins, 2006).

NEW ADDENDUM

And one more thing to add---Eusebius the father of church history (4th century) tells us that there had been since NT times a tomb of James the Just, the brother of Jesus, which was near the Temple mount and had an honoric stele next to it, and that it was a pilgrimage spot for many Christians. It was apparently a single tomb, with no other Holy family members mentioned nor any other ossuaries in that place. The locality and singularity of this tradition rules out a family tomb in Talpiot. Christians would not have been making pilgrimage to the tomb if they believed Jesus' bones were in it-- that would have contradicted and violated their faith, but the bones of holy James were another matter. They were consider sacred relics.

Here is part of the passage from Eusebius on Jesus' brother--- James "was buried on the spot, by the Sanctuary, and his inscribed stone (stele) is still there by the sanctuary." (Hist. Eccles. 2.23.18). This is clearly not in Talpiot, and remember to claim there is a Talpiot family tomb means that Jesus would have been buried there long before James was martyred in A.D. 62. In other words, the James tradition contradicts the Talpiot tomb both in locale and in substance. James is buried alone, in another place...

~By Dr. Ben Witherington

Bobbye answered on 05/31/07:

ANYTHING OUT OF HOLLYWOOD CONCERNING JESUS IS USUALLY RUBBISH!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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hOPE12 asked on 05/31/07 - For CeeBee2

Hello CeeBee2,
You are correct in you comments, I can never listen to someone who does not treat me as an individual person. CeeBee2, be honest with yourself, would you personally listen to someone if they kept posting negative things on the board about your religion and treat you badly because of what someone in your church did?

You said:
Clarification/Follow-up by CeeBee2 on 05/30/07 9:27 pm:
Suggestions to Tom --

Please stop dialoguing or trying to dialogue with hOPE. She will misunderstand and accuse you of some misdeed even if you tell her "Good morning." She has her beliefs and has no intention of changing or even seriously considering that you might have a valid point or two. Save your evangelizing efforts for someone who is open (or seems to be open) to what you have to say.

This is true, I will never listen to Tom until he treats me as an individual person. I am not the group of JW’s,.

I am a Jehovah Witness. One single person.
How would you like it if Tom posted stuff to the board that someone else in your church
Did, would that make you feel loved?

The religion known as Jehovah Witnesses didn't do these things. Some people who belonged to the denomination called Jehovah Witnesses, are accused of a matter, not me personally. Why keep throwing up all this stuff in my face?

Why does Tom do this, does he really think by doing this you will make me even listen to what he has to say?

WHAT RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION DOES TOM BELONG TO? I BET IF HE TELLS ME, I COULD FIND MANY NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT SOME OF IT'S MEMBERS. THEN IF I POST IT ON THE BOARD, AND ACCUSE HIM OF BELONGING TO PHONEY RELIGION BECAUSE ANOTHER MEMBER/MEMBERS DID SOMETHING WRONG. HOW WOULD HE FEEL ? CEEBEE, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ?WOULD THAT DRAW YOU CLOSER TO LISTENING TO ME.

I appreciate all your little suggestions and cute illustrations, but lets be fair. If Tom777, was posting negative things about your religious affiliation, and treating you as if you did something wrong, would you feel good about it and run with open arms towards his teachings? But it is not for me nor will I ever listen to Tom as you said, until he treats me as an individual and not according to what others say and do.

BTW: I would always say "good morning" to any who say good morning to me. I also would never find fault with a friendly and kind good morning. Try saying "good morning" to me sometimes CeeBee and you would see for yourselve. :)

Have a nice day.
Take care,
Hope12

Bobbye answered on 05/31/07:

CeeBee may disagree with your theology, but SHE HAS NEVER BEEN RUDE OR DISRESPECTFUL TO ANYONE!

Hope, everyone on these Boards in the past 5-6 years has been maligned in some manner.
It's a "given" when you enter into a religious discussion. Please note that I did not use the term "theological" discussion. Religion is divisive!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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jjgoss asked on 05/31/07 - ..Has the tomb of Jesus been found?..

.....FOR TTFNUAS........

..by Matt Slick, www.carm.org....

..James Cameron, the Oscar winning Hollywood director who brought us the Terminator and Titanic movies, along with Simcha Jacobovici a producer-director have made a documentary (to be aired March 4, 2007) that alleges they have found the tomb of Jesus and that the evidence therein shows Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, had at least one child named Judah, and, of course, that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead.

On March 28, 1980, just outside of Jerusalem in the neighborhood of Talpiyot, construction workers tombaccidentally uncovered a 2000 year old cave holding 10 ossuaries. An ossuary is a burial box used to store bones. Six of the 10 ossuaries had names on them: "Jesus, son of Joseph; Maria; Mariamene; Matthew; Judas, son of Jesus; and Jose, a diminutive of Joseph.ŕ The allegation is that Jesua is Jesus, one of the Maries is his mother, the second is his wife, Mariamene is Mary Magdalene, that Matthew is a disciple, and Judas is Jesus' son; hence, the claim that it is the tomb of Jesus.

When the ossuaries were first discovered, the bones were removed and buried. (I could not find out what happened to them, but it appears they are lost.) Later, scientists examined the ossuaries and found "forensic evidence" inside the containers. They did DNA tests on the remnant biological material and found that Jesua and Mariamene are not genetically related. This implies that they were a couple, not siblings. In other words, it would be similar to having a mother, a father, and a son buried in the same tomb. The child would be related genetically to the mother and the father. But, the mother and the father would not be genetically related to each other; that is, they wouldn't have the same parents. The facts seem to be there, but what does it mean?

Note: At the end of this paper are important issues and questions regarding the tomb and the ossuaries that argue against this being the actual tomb of Jesus.
What should be our reaction to the find?

What I'm going to say here may surprise a lot of Christians, but we should be open minded about the evidence and not dismiss it in a knee-jerk reaction ossuaryand say it is a hoax, or a conspiracy. If the evidence is factual and stands up to cross examination, then we need to deal with it as the set of facts they are. If Christianity is true, then it should fear no facts -- and neither should its adherents.

However, please understand that if the archaeological evidence is verified, the tomb and ossuaries do not disprove Christianity. They only demonstrate that there is a family tomb from the time of Jesus with the same names of those found in the gospel accounts -- which can have other explanations, as you'll see below. Remember, the gospels are eyewitness accounts and are substantially different in evidentiary value than empty ossuaries with biblical names inscribed on the outside. There is a huge difference between them regarding their interpretive and evidentiary significance.
Examine the evidence

The evidence needs to be examined! If it stands, it stands. If it falls, let it fall. But, what would be substantial evidence against Christianity is if bones were discovered in an ossuary, or tomb containing something like Jesus' name on it, stating he was the son of Nevertheless, for Christians to automatically dismiss the evidence without first examining it, is to forfeit credibility in the eyes of unbelievers, many of which already think that Christians are irrational and refuse to believe facts. Joseph, from Nazareth, and that those bones had nail marks in the wrists. But, without a body, it is difficult to establish Jesus' death, burial, and lack of resurrection. In fact, not having a body is exactly what the gospel accounts say is the case and that seems to be the case with the ossuaries. Remember, they did have bones in them, but they are lost and cannot be examined. So, it cannot be stated which bones they were or if the bones matched the genetic material found within. They might not since families used ossuaries to hold more than one generation. Sometimes they held up to six.

Nevertheless, for Christians to automatically dismiss the evidence without first examining it, is to forfeit credibility in the eyes of unbelievers, many of which already think that Christians are irrational and refuse to believe facts. We have an opportunity to present a rational, non-emotional position and demonstrate that our faith is not so weak that our first reaction to the claim that Jesus' tomb has been found is to dismiss before even looking at it.

Remember, looking at evidence and using logic is what Jesus taught us to do. Jesus said to doubting Thomas in John 20:27, “Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing.” Jesus himself urged Thomas to examine the evidence and believe based on that evidence. In other words, Jesus taught to examine evidence and make a logical conclusion based up it. Of course, the Bible verse presupposes Jesus' resurrection is a fact, but still the principle to examine evidence is taught in Scripture. Shouldn't we do what Jesus taught?
Christians, don't make these mistakes

The initial response by a lot of Christians will be to react emotionally. But, I have some suggestions.

1. Don't make the mistake of saying that the evidence can't be true because a Hollywood movie director made the documentary.
1. Just because an unbeliever makes a film claiming he has found the tomb of Jesus, doesn't mean what is in it is false. Unbelievers can discover truth. So, don't dismiss it outright.
2. Don't make the mistake of saying the evidence is false because it disagrees with your beliefs.
1. Beliefs don't make something true -- for example, Mormons believe God came from another planet. Believing it doesn't make it so. Nevertheless, Christian beliefs are based on evidence, i.e., the eyewitness accounts in the gospels, the resurrection of Christ, etc. So, if we look at facts in one area, we should continue to do so in other areas.
3. Don't make the mistake of concluding that if the evidence is verified under cross examination, that it means Christianity isn't true.
1. At best all it shows is that there is a family tomb with common biblical names inscribed on ossuaries. This isn't proof of anything contrary to the gospel accounts. There are no bones in the ossuaries. In other words, there is no body and this cannot be demonstrated to be Jesus' tomb.
4. Don't blow a good witnessing opportunity
1. This topic will generate discussion. So, print up a few copies of this article, have them ready to give to people, and discuss the real issue of Christ's resurrection which demonstrates who he was and what he did. This way you can then have an opportunity to present the gospel.
2. Again, don't just dismiss it outright. Use it.

Critics, don't make these mistakes

Likewise, I suspect the initial response by critics of Christianity will be to jump on the bandwagon and say that Christianity is proven false without examining the evidence, or considering counter arguments and questions. So, I have some suggestions for the critics as well.

1. Don't assume that what is presented in a documentary is automatically fact.
1. Wait until it is cross examined before making assertions. In other words, get both sides of the argument before making judgments.
2. Make sure your conclusions are logical, not merely inferential
1. If the evidence is factual, what does it mean? Does it prove that it was Jesus in the ossuary? Not at all. Does it prove Christianity is false? Hardly. If you are eager to find contradictory evidence, don't let your eagerness blind your objectivity.
3. Don't jump on the band-wagon and start condemning Christianity because the findings can be interpreted against it.
1. There are important issues and questions to be raised as you will see in the next section. Those questions and others like them are relevant to the discussion on what the evidence means and need to be addressed before drawing "absolute" conclusions.
4. Don't make the mistake of concluding that if the evidence is verified under cross examination it means Christianity is false. It doesn't.
1. It only means that a family tomb with ossuaries containing biblical names has been discovered. This is evidence, but it can be legitimately interpreted in different ways - see below. But, is it conclusive proof that Christianity is false? Not at all. It isn't proof they have found the tomb of Jesus.

Important issues and questions

Following is a list of issues and questions that I think are worth examining in regard to this recent discovery.

1. The names on the ossuaries were very common at that time.
1. "Charlesworth of Princeton Theological Seminary says he has a first-century letter written by someone named Jesus, addressed to someone else named Jesus and witnessed by a third party named Jesus.Ŗ This demonstrates the commonality of the name Jesus. Isn't it likely that other names would be common as well? Think about it. The name "Mary" occurs in the gospels several times in reference to different women. Also, If Christianity were on the rise in the culture, it makes sense that people would adopt Christian names as they eagerly moved away from the imposing Roman Empire's rule. This would increase the name frequency.
2. "'Jesus' and 'Joseph' were common names of the time, and another ossuary bearing the same inscription [Jesus son of Joseph] was revealed by archaeologist Eleazar Levi Sukenik in a 1931 lecture in Berlin. However, this ossuary is set apart by its presence in a tomb alongside others bearing names associated with Jesus' family...ŗ The fact is that "Jesus son of Joseph" exists elsewhere in archaeological findings.
3. 25% of the Jewish women in the first-century Judea had the same name of Mary.4 Again, this is evidence of a very common name usage.
2. The ossuaries are inscribed in different languages: Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
1. Jesus, James, Judah are inscribed in Aramaic. Yose (Jose, Joseph), Maria, and Matthew are in Hebrew. "Marianmene e Mara" (Mary Magdelene) is the only one written in Greek. If the tomb is of Jesus' family, why are the inscriptions in different languages?
2. Does this suggest that different individuals, perhaps in different times, and of different backgrounds were buried in the tomb? Remember, families used the same tomb and ossuaries for generations. Therefore, we can expect to find the same tomb to have ossuaries with different inscriptions, in different languages, along with similar DNA since the same families would be using them. See point 5 below.
3. The Inscription dates are from 1 B.C to 1 A.D.
1. "Frank Moore Cross, a professor emeritus in the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations at Harvard University, told Discovery News, "The inscriptions are from the Herodian Period (which occurred from around 1 B.C. to 1 A.D.). The use of limestone ossuaries and the varied script styles are characteristic of that time.ř
2. This is important because the gospel accounts record Jesus' life up to 33 years of age. If Jesus lived long enough to get married, have a child, etc., it would be after he was 33. If Jesus died around 50 A.D. (just picking a date), then how do we account for Jesus' bones being buried in an ossuary that has an inscription dated from about 1 B.C.? Shouldn't the inscription be dated to some time after, say 33 A.D.?A. This is solid evidence against the ossuaries being of Jesus family.
4. Families were buried in their home towns.
1. In this case it would have been Nazareth, not Jerusalem. Jesus was known as Jesus of Nazareth. If this really is the tomb of the biblical Jesus, then why is he buried somewhere other than his hometown, Nazareth? This would have gone against Jewish culture and custom.
2. Also, shouldn't the burial inscription have read "Jesus of Nazareth" or "Jesus of Nazareth, son of Joseph" if it were the Jesus of the New Testament?
3. There was a two day burial window under Jewish law. This meant that a person had to be buried within two days of death. Therefore, he might not be buried in his hometown. However, after the body decomposed and only the bones were left, it would appropriate to move them. Since ossuaries contained only bones, why is it located in Jerusalem and not Nazareth?
5. The same ossuaries were used for generations to store bones
1. Point two is supported by the fact the same ossuaries were used for several generations to house bones, sometimes containing as many as six sets. This would mean that the contents therein could be of family members long after the time of Christ. It could even be of non genetically related individuals, by marriage, who get added to the tomb later on – which might explain why the inscriptions are in different languages.
2. Having similar genetics in the ossuaries doesn't prove it is Jesus' tomb. It only proves there are similar genetics. There is no known way to establish that the genetics in the ossuaries are those of Jesus. At best, it can only be inferred and inferences are not fact.
6. The family of Jesus was poor. Joseph was a carpenter and couldn't afford such an elaborate burial.
1. To have a tomb and various ossuaries made was an expensive undertaking. Since Joseph was a carpenter, Jesus would've learned his trade from his father. Carpenters were not rich. Therefore, how is the existence of an expensive tomb with ossuaries explained in light of this information if it is supposed to be at the family of Jesus? This does not support the idea that it was Jesus’ tomb. In fact, it speaks against it.
7. What of the existing documents (gospels).
1. The gospels in the New Testament are excellently preserved historical documents that are consistent with the time, place, and culture in which they claim to describe. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, then what about the gospels accounts? Are they fakes, compilations, lies, forgeries, or legitimate and accurate historical documents?
2. Are these eyewitness accounts contained in the gospels less valuable than names on ossuaries found in a tomb? Surely, an explanation needs to be established to account for the claims of the gospel accounts if in fact they were lies or fabrications.
8. If the gospels are used to verify the names on the ossuaries, why are they not also used to verify that Jesus rose from the dead?
1. There seems to be an inconsistency in using the Gospels to verify the names on the ossuaries but then deny the claim of those same Gospels concerning Jesus' resurrection. Why accept the names but reject the resurrection when both are described in the same documents? Is it because the presuppositions of those who examine the evidence do not allow for the miraculous? If that is the case, then beliefs are forced upon evidence and the evidence is interpreted in light of those beliefs.
2. Please see the articles related to this topic: Since the New Testament writers were biased, can we trust their testimony?; The Christians were mistaken about Jesus' resurrection; The Disciples stole Jesus' body and faked His resurrection.
9. The Acts of Phillip
1. In the book The Acts of Phillip is the term "Mariamene" which some scholars think it refers to Mary Magdelene. Therefore, the inscription in the tomb which uses that term has been linked to the biblical Mary Magdelene via this old document. However, the oldest copy of the Acts of Phillip is from the fourteenth century and is a copy of a fourth century text.5 How reliable is the document known as the Acts of Phillip? "The text is generally considered to have been a late 4th or early 5th century fantasy, involving miracles and supposedly clever dialogue, which it claims caused Phillip to win many converts.Ś So, is phrase in a fantasy-based document evidence that Jesus married Mary Magdelene?
10. Why aren't there any accounts of Jesus having a family recorded in any reputable ancient writings?
1. This is, essentially, an argument of silence and is not the best argument. Nevertheless, there is no credible historical evidence suggesting that Jesus had a family. If Jesus were that important of a figure and if he had a family, in contradiction to the gospel accounts, then why are there no reliable records of this recorded anywhere?
2. If Jesus had a son, and a wife, and was walking around Israel, it would have been around the time that the gospels were being circulated which were initially written anywhere from the 40's to the 60's, with John possibly written later. See "When were the gospels written and by whom?". You'd think that the Jews and Romans would have countered the circulating gospels by simply saying, "Hey, Jesus lives with his wife and son over in Jerusalem."
3. Also, after the gospels had been circulating and Jesus' son was alive and well (as the ossuary evidence has been interpreted to support), certainly someone (Jewish and/or Roman) would have documented that Jesus indeed had a son in contradiction to the widening distribution of the gospel records. After all, both the Jews and the Romans had reasons to not want Christianity to flourish. So, why are there no such accounts of Jesus' son in existence?
11. Why didn't the critics of Christianity produce Jesus' body?
1. This is similar to point ten. Since the Jewish culture as well as the Roman authorities did not want Jesus' resurrection to be believed, since it contradicted both of their theological and social power structures, and if Jesus did get married and have children, then why is their no record of those authorities producing the person and/or body of Jesus? You'd think this would have been settled long ago if Jesus really did live and breathe after the gospels' recorded resurrection and Acts account of his ascension.
12. Statistical analysis of the names
1. How do they know which names were and were not common in those days? Isn't this a relevant question to ask when making statistical analysis? Joseph, Jesus, and Mary were very common names at the time. As Christianity grew, it would make sense that people would take the names of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, etc., as a sign of respect for and identification with their Christian beliefs.
2. Statistics can be manipulated. We're not suggesting that these statistics were, but there needs to be an explanation dealing with how common the names were in the culture at that time and the criteria needs to be examined.
3. Even if the statistical analysis shows the coincidence to be improbable, it still does not demonstrate that Jesus was in the ossuary. After all there are too many other questions and problems that counter that conclusion.
13. Counter evidence
1. Archaeologist says it isn't Jesus' tomb. "In 1996, when the BBC aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea [of the tomb being that of Jesus] fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television....It was an ordinary middle-class Jerusalem burial cave...The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time...The cave, it [Kloner's report] said, was probably in use by three or four generations of Jews from the beginning of the Common Era. It was disturbed in antiquity, and vandalized. The names on the boxes were common in the first century (25 percent of women in Jerusalem, for example, were called Miriam or a derivative).ś
2. Incorrect reading of names? "Pfann [a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem] is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name 'Hanun.'Ŝ
3. Alternate burial site locations. "James Tabor, a Biblical scholar at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte and the leading academic voice who lends enthusiastic, if qualified, support to Jacobovici's claims, wrote that he looked for, and found, a legendary tomb of Jesus near the city of Safed.ŝ

End Notes
1. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17328478/site/newsweek/page/2/
2. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17328478/site/newsweek/page/4/
3. http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/explore/explore.html
4. http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/explore/explore.html under Maria
5. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/
02-25-2007/0004533923&EDATE=
6. http://www.answers.com/topic/acts-of-phillip
7. http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02/26/jesus.sburial.ap/index.html
8. http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/02/26/jesus.sburial.ap/index.html
9. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17328478/site/newsweek/page/4/





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Bobbye answered on 05/31/07:

Why would anyone believe anything coming from Hollywood that has to do with Jesus?

Nonsense.

Bobbye

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tropicalstorm asked on 05/04/07 - Toms/Lglynn can you explain

the trinity by answering these
Are there three distinct entities as one
or is there one that acts as three
if Jesus has a glorified body yet God and the Holy Spirit have no body how do they exist as ONE being?


Lglynn
You used Jesus told Mary..NOT to touch him..(purification) for he had not yet ascended..unto his Father FOR Christ passed from flesh..to a glorified body. 1 Corinthians 15:45-46,51-54.

Yet Jesus LATER told Thomas TO TOUCH him so what do you do with that?

Bobbye answered on 05/04/07:

THREE IN ONE! ONE IN THREE!

(1) "THREE DISTINCT ENTITIES AS ONE!"
God the Father; God the Son; God The Holy Spirit (Yes, "God" The Holy Spirit).

I have been challenged in times past re "God The Holy Spirit." The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Living God and the Loving Saviour. CAN HE BE ANYTHING OR ANYONE OTHER THAN "GOD?"

Trop, is your spirit someone other than you? Of course not, so this clarifies that confusion.

(2) ONE THAT ACTS AS THREE. BETTER YET, ONE WHO IS "THREE."
Just as you have two people in ONE MARRIAGE (you do not have two marriages), in The Trinity you have THREE IN ONE Who compose THE GODHEAD, WHO IS GOD!

ONE GOD!
(THE GODHEAD: Father, Son, Holy Spirit)

(3) IF Jesus has a glorified body, yet God and the Holy Spirit have no body how do they exist as ONE being?

AS SPIRIT!

Trop, a "glorified body," such as all believers will receive is a "glorified" or "spirit" body. The Greek word "phantos" (phi, alpha, nu, tau, omicron, outside Sigma) means "ghost" or "SPIRIT."

Thus, Jesus, at the Right Hand of The Father, is in Spirit form (or "glorified" body). "'GOD' IS A SPIRIT AND THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH." John 4:24

(3) RE MARY MAGDALENE'S NOT TOUCHING JESUS, YET THOMAS WAS ALLOWED TO TOUCH HIM.

A. Jesus said to Mary Magdalene: "Touch me not, for I HAVE NOT YET BEEN TO MY FATHER."
John 20:17

At this point Jesus had not:

(a) PRESENTED HIMSELF TO THE FATHER AS THE SURPRME SACRIFICE (study the sacrificial animals presented at The Tabernacle in The Wilderness) UPON THE BRAZEN ALTAR IN THE "ORIGINAL TABERNACLE" IN HEAVEN.

(b) NOR HAD HE YET SPRINKLED HIS BLOOD ON THE MERCY SEAT AS OUR GREAT HIGH PRIEST.

After presenting Himself as "The Eternal Sacrifice" (once and for all), He then entered into the Holy of Holies in The Tabernacle in Heaven (study the Book of Hebrews for this comparison) to sprinkle His Blood on The Mercy Seat -- once and for all!

B. When Jesus told Thomas to "reach hither thy finger," John 20:27, he (Jesus) HAD RETURNED in His Glorified Body (you may recall from Scripture that the disciples thought Jesus was a "GHOST" (or phantom) when He prepared the fish on the shores at the Sea of Galilee. He was in His "Glorified Body."

Jesus was now FREE to be touched, as the Levitical priests could not be touched AFTER CLEANSING FOR THE DUTY OF OFFERING SACRIFICIAL ANIMALS AND THE SPRINKLING OF BLOOD FROM THE ANIMALS (particularly, Aaron, the High Priest, could not be touched while on his way into the Holy of Holies to sprinkle the blood of sacrificial animals seven times with his finger upon The Mercy Seat). If the priests were touched, they would deemed "unclean" and would have to again go through the process of "cleansing" before performing their duties.

(If you study "The Molten Sea," you will find that it was a huge partitioned vat for the cleanings of the priests (one section) and of the animals, the remaining portion.)

Jesus remained on earth for 40 days AFTER PRESENTING HIMSELF AS THE SUPREME SACRIFICE ("The Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world), and AFTER sprinkling His blood on The Mercy Seat!

At the end of 40 days He Ascended, where He now sits at the Right Hand of The Father ("right hand," a POSITION OF AUTHORITY) "making intercession for us!"

Be blessed,
Bobbye











or is there one that acts as three

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Toms777 asked on 05/02/07 - Do we need to be born again?

In a comment to an answer, hOPE said:

"Very good except being born again. I was born once and the first time worked good enough for me.
Take care,
Hope12"

Jesus said:

John 3:3
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
NKJV

Which is right?

Bobbye answered on 05/02/07:

JESUS SAID: "YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN!"

"DO NOT MARVEL THAT I SAID TO YOU, 'YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.' The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. SO IS EVERYONE WHO IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT." John 3:7 NKJV

THIS IS SPEAKING OF THE "SPIRITUAL BIRTH."

John 3:6 explains the natural and the spiritual: "..., Most assuredly, I say to you unless ONE IS BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT, HE CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD. That which is born of FLESH IS flesh, and that which is born of the SPIRIT IS SPIRIT. "

Hope's comment is dealing only with the flesh, the natural birth.

Be blessed,
Bobbye



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Toms777 asked on 05/01/07 - Bible Conference Pictures and Downloads

The downloads of the talks (including madddawg's talk) and pictures from the conference are available at Last Days Bible Conference

Bobbye answered on 05/01/07:

Thanks. I'll check it out.

BTW, who is "Madddawg?" Was this person on AskMe? Thanks.

Bobbye

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lglynn5 asked on 05/01/07 - Where is the bride...

when the seals is opened, revealing the antichrist?

Have a good day, all.

In Christ, Lynn

Bobbye answered on 05/01/07:

Raptured! (Yes, "rapture" is in Scripture. The term rapture comes from the Latin word, "rapio," which means "a snatching away.")

At the Marriage Supper -- having a great day!

Blessings,
Bobbye

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lglynn5 asked on 04/30/07 - The Mount of Olives..

Do you know why...

The Mount of Olives will SPLIT..when Jesus stands upon it? Zechariah 14:4.

Have a good day.

In Christ, Lynn

Bobbye answered on 05/01/07:

ISRAEL'S DELIVERANCE! The Mount of Olives, located East of Jerusalem where the Messiah will return, is the very Mountain from which He ascended after His time on earth: ACTS 1:10-11.

ON THE DAY OF MESSIAH'S RETURN THE MOUNT WILL BE SPLIT BY A DEEP EAST-WEST VALLEY.

The splitting of the Mount of Olives will provide a way of escape for the besieged and defeated people in Jerusalem. The site of Azal has not been identified, but must be somewhere in the desert east of Jerusalem -- toward the Jordan River; toward Mt. Olivet.

The flight of the surviving remnant from Jerusalem is likened to what took place following the earthquake in the days of Uzziah. The saints are literally the "holy ones," angels who will accompany Jesus at his return: Mark 8:38; II Thessalonians 1:7.

By what means is the Mountain split? HIS GREAT POWER -- THE POWER OF HIS WORD! He spoke the worlds into existence. No where in Scripture is there a specific as to the type of Power used to SPLIT THE MOUNTAIN other than the "earthquake" in the days of Uzziah.

AS GOD SPEAKS, POWER IS EMANATED! You may recall that the graves were opened in Jerusalem as Jesus -- in death throes -- asked: "My God, My God, why has Thou forsaken me?" AT THAT MOMENT THE VEIL OF THE TEMPLE WAS TORN IN TWO FROM TOP TO BOTTOM; AND THE EARTH QUAKED, AND THE ROCKS WERE SPLIT, AND THE GRAVES WERE OPENED; AND MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHO HAD FALLEN ASLEEP WERE RAISED; AND COMING OUT OF THE GRAVES AFTER HIS RESURRECTION, THEY WENT INTO THE HOLY CITY AND APPEARED TO MANY. MATTHEEW 27:51.


Blessings,
Bobbye



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holly_ asked on 04/23/07 - True Religion

Hello Christians
I have been on a quest to find the true Religion, with the World becoming in such a paralyzing state, where people have grown cold towards one another, how can we tell what is a "True Religion" or is there such a thing such as a "true Religion"?
Thank you, Experts.
Holly.

Bobbye answered on 04/24/07:

Hope, this type post is the thing whereby you and I have agreed to disagree.

Why, why, why so many handles -- when all the while the syntax is the "alarm?"

Hope, you always begin with "Hello" or some type greeting. It's the "alarm."

Why not just be Judonna?

What's with these names?

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 04/23/07 - The God of the Bible

God answers prayer and He does so plainly. Does He give me everything I want? Of course not! Nor do I give my children everything I want either, sometimes what they want is not in their best interests.

There are a lot of people out there with strange ideas about God. There are deists who believe God exists but He is not involved in day to day things. He set the universe to run then left us alone. There are people who see God only as some form of cosmic killjoy out to ruin everyone's fun and stomp on them with a giant Monty Python-ish foot when they disobey. Such a God does not answer prayer. There are some who say there is no God. Personally, I think that take way more faith than to believe in God. There are people who think of God as a cosmic genie there just to give them their every wish and want to disregard His call to holiness.

The God of the Bible, the God whom me and my family serve is a holy, righteous, and loving God who is involved in every aspect of our lives. Yes He is a God of wrath as well, holiness cannot abide sin, but He loves His children. Anyone who preaches or teaches a different God does not know the truth. Anyone who teaches that we cannot understand the Bible or encounter God personally teaches lies.

Yes there are some gray areas where godly men and women can disagree but the idea that He is distant or unknowable is straight from the pit of hell.

He is personal and He is knowable. He has made His will abundantly clear in His Word. He has shown us our need for a redeemer and who that redeemer is in His Word. He has given us easily understood truth in His Word. Sound doctrine and biblical literacy have not lost their place.

People invent their own "gods" that serve them. Beware of such people and teachers.

2 Timothy 3:1-4-4 NIV
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth--men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings--what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths

Bobbye answered on 04/24/07:

You've exalted His Name today, Maggie!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 04/23/07 - Is Jesus Michael?

holly_ says:

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In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the bible says Jesus will return to earth with "the voice of the archangel." And Jude 9 talks about "Michael the Archangel." Now these are the only two times that the bible mentions "archangel". Therefore, Jesus must be the Archangel Michael.
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First of all, this is not true and the Bible addresses it directly:

Heb 1:5-6
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
"You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You"?

And again:

"I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son"?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
"Let all the angels of God worship Him."
NKJV

The Son of God is not an angel, but rather all the angels of God must worship Him. That destroys that theory right there.

Now as for your claim that 1 Thess 4:16 says that Jesus is Michael, let's look at it:

1 Thess 4:16
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
NKJV

Using your logic, if He must be Michael because He has the voice of an archangel, then He must be God because He has the trumpet of God.

Note also that archangel (which means chief angel) is singular but we see in Daniel 10:13 that michael is only one chief amongst many:

Dan 10:13-14
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.
NKJV

Thus Michael cannot be Jesus.

Let's look at Jude 9:

Jude 9
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
NKJV

Notice that Michael does not take authority over Satan, but rather points to the lord and says "The Lord rebuke you". Thus Michael is not the Lord.

Jesus is God:

Heb 1:8
8 But to the Son He says:
"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
NKJV

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Bobbye answered on 04/24/07:

NO!!!! "...AND YOU SHALL CALL HIS NAME JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."
===.

Matthew 1:23, "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they sahll call His name IMMANUEL!"

Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore, the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel." ("Immanuel:" "GOD with us.")
===.

Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder.

"And HIS NAME will be called Wonderful, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace."
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No where in Scripture will you find that the Saviour is to be called "Michael."

No where in Scripture will you find that the name "Michael" means "GOD WITH US," or "MIGHTY GOD," OR "EVERLASTING FATHER."

Blessings,
Bobbye

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peddler2 asked on 04/23/07 - Why is black skin a curse?

For behold, the Lord shall acurse the land with much heat, and the barrenness thereof shall go forth forever; and there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people


Bobbye answered on 04/23/07:

Whatever the origin of the above, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN "SUN TAN" (much heat) and pigment.

If sun tans cause "despise" among people, Heaven deliver anyone from our beaches in America where some skin is as dark as leather.

BTW, GOD DOESN'T CAUSE PEOPLE TO BE DESPISED. PEOPLE DESPISE PEOPLE -- OUT OF JEALOUSLY, ENVY, LOW SELF-ESTEEM, BIGOTRY, ETC., ETC., ETC...................!

Also, the descendants of Ham were not cursed (as I've heard from many for years), as Ham WAS NOT CURSED!

"Black skin" is not a curse -- no more than a person with black hair. "...AND God is the maker of them all!"

Bobbye

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STONY asked on 04/20/07 - IN HIS OWN WORDS...



This is a real wakeup call. Forward it if you agree,delete if you don't. It does not matter if he said it or not, it is right on.



JAY LENO." HITS THE NAIL ON THE HEAD"T

The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the president. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, ''What we are so unhappy about?''

Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter? Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job? Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?



Maybe it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move through each state? Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter? I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.



Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes , an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90 percent of teenagers own cell phones and computers.



How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world? Maybe that is what has 67 percent of you folks unhappy.



Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S. , yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have , and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.



I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks?



The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me? Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?



Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the "Media" told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.



Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go.

They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.


So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells , and when criticized, try to defend their actions by "justifying" them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!



Stop buying the negativism you are fed everyday by the media. Shut off the TV, burn Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad.



We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.



"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, "Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"

Jay Leno

Bobbye answered on 04/20/07:

Jay is talking apples and oranges.

TO BE UNHAPPY ABOUT THE WAR AND THE PRESIDENT'S INEPTNESS DOES NOT EQUATE AND NEVER WILL EQUATE TO OUR BEING UNGRATEFUL FOR THE BLESSINGS IN AMERICA SUCH AS "RUNNING WATER, ETC."

We are blessed and grateful, but are we ungrateful if a mad dog appears on our front lawn and we have to deal with the issue??? I think not.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Pericles asked on 04/19/07 - To all Christians who want "to spread the word" .......

Please be assured : till I get serious answers I'll do my best to make this post a very VERY frequent board topic : just to show your "christian" phoniness and emptiness where it really counts !



THE FACTS :

I asked for any objective support for God's existence, but nothing has been forthcoming.


MY OBSERVATIONS :

1. There is no proof for God's existence.
2. All religion is based on belief only.
3. Note : the worst abusers of religion are other religious believers.


MY QUESTIONS :

a. Why should I BELIEVE in something that does not exist?

b. Why should I BELIEVE in something that does not seem to exist?

c. Why should I BELIEVE in something that has no reason to exist?

d. Why should I ACCEPT that something "that has no reason to exist and for who's existence there is no support what-so-ever" created everything - though there is a perfectly logical reason for everything to exist without that something anyway ?

Can I have an answer on these questions please?





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Bobbye answered on 04/19/07:

MY QUESTIONS :

a. Why should I BELIEVE in something that does not exist?

YOU SHOULDN'T! BUT GOD EXISTS! I spoke with Him early this morning!

b. Why should I BELIEVE in something that does not seem to exist?

YOU SHOULDN'T! "Seem to exist" has been
verified by too many "WITNESSES" -- witnesses to God's love; His power; His mercy, His giving of life!


c. Why should I BELIEVE in something that has no reason to exist?

AND WHAT REASON HAVE YOU TO EXIST? Have you created an Adam (and where will YOU get the dirt)? Created a tree? Created a universe? Creation is not the reason for His existence, but one of His acts!

d. Why should I ACCEPT that something "that has no reason to exist and for who's existence there is no support what-so-ever" created everything - though there is a perfectly logical reason for everything to exist without that something anyway?

AND WHO GAVE SCIENCE THE ATOMS, ETC., TO PRODUCE THE CHAIN THAT TropicalStorm POSTED?

THE ONE WHOM YOU CLAIM DOES NOT EXIST!

My purpose in responding to this query is to state most emphatically:

"IN HIM I LIVE AND MOVE AND HAVE MY BEING!"

Be blessed in your quest!
Bobbye

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Pericles asked on 04/19/07 - April is God-Hating Mass Murder Month? (2)...............

Ref.: topic "April is God-Hating Mass Murder Month" by peddler7118

Daily hundreds of people worldwide are killed directly or indirectly by US produced weapons and ammunition.
From guns to landmines. By civilians to (US) army staff. In the US or any other location on this planet.

When will America wake up to the fact that when you teach kids that everything is allowed as long as it is done "in the name of the Lord" and/or as long as you can make a fast buck out of it, you should accept that most of these same kids inherit the same attitude and have no reason to START THINKING FOR THEMSELVES!

If you teach them they are human beings created in the image of God WITHOUT SHOWING THEM AT THE SAME TIME THE VALUE OF - AND HOW TO HONOUR - THESE FEATURES, they won't value human life and respect it , even their own.

That may sound terrible to you, but it is the truth!


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Bobbye answered on 04/19/07:

Perc, a "true Christian" does not teach his/her children that everything is allowed as long as it is done "in the name of the Lord." TO THE CONTRARY! RIGHT IS RIGHT, AND WRONG IS WRONG!

CHRISTIANS AND NON-CHRISTIANS (and yes, I've seen non-Christians respect the things of God greater than some Christians) WOULD BE WISE TO TAKE HEED OF THE PRECEPTS YOU HAVE STATED:i.e.,

"If you teach them they are human beings created in the image of God WITHOUT SHOWING THEM AT THE SAME TIME THE VALUE OF - AND HOW TO HONOUR - THESE FEATURES, they won't value human life and respect it, even their own."

And America won't wake up as long as Hollywood's violence is influencing our youth! Many Christians enjoy a good mystery, but the violence fed to youth today is appalling -- Hollywood, T.V., and the easily-accessed filth and violence on the computer! You can go to the computer and learn to make explosives! Where are the lawmakers of our land???????

PARENTS AND LAWMAKERS HAVE HAD YET ANOTHER WAKE-UP CALL IN THE LAST FEW DAYS!

A good post!
Bobbye


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JesseJamesDupree asked on 04/19/07 - Hello Linda K...........

I saved you to my contact list...........you know who you are!:)

Bobbye answered on 04/19/07:

Jesse, Jesse, Jesse! So long have you been among us that you do not realize that we have Sherlocks on this Board who can trace a gnat!

From reading just a few pages prior, you have identified the young lady here.

LOL

Bobbye

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tropicalstorm asked on 04/19/07 - LOGIC 1-01

How can nothing
turn itself into


which turns ITSELF into



which turns itself into




AND everything else

ADD individuality, intelligence, emotion, etc....

Bobbye answered on 04/19/07:

GOD!

And on the spiritual side:

"SOMETHING" found "nothing," and "nothing" became "something," because of "SOMETHING!"

Bobbye
P.S. The monkeys are not in "my link," but it makes for interesting analysis as you have posted.

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MaggieB asked on 04/17/07 - I thank Domino, Perc and whoever

for caring about my soul, you all have the nicest, friendlist jestures to lead a Christian who has gone astray back to the way of Christ.

My boat is not floundering becauae I have such "spiritual" leaders as you to guide me.

I can never thank you enough!

MaggieB

BTW: My Christianity is not a pose as you call it, my God is the one who judges me.


Clarification/Follow-up by domino on 04/17/07 12:03 pm:
MaggieB:

Boring, Boring, Boring, Boring. Is vindictivness one of the commandments from your god??????

Is there something about: "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" that you failed to comprehend?????

Has your Christianity been a pose, all along, like Hanks??????

Get back on course, MaggieB....your Christian boat is about to flounder!!!!!

Bobbye answered on 04/18/07:

Maggie, those of us who KNOW YOU are standing tall with you!

This is shades of AskMe -- if you ask me! LOL. Remember the days of name calling of you and me by the one who had someone in government hack our computers (or at least mine was hacked and the e-mails you and I exchaged were hacked)? In fact, a female and a male (not necessarily connected) hacked our e-mails.

Oh, those were the "good ole days!" LOL

Maggie, you are a blessing to the Body of Christ and a true Christian knows this.

BTW, I plan to call when I get a moment between now and Graduation! LOL

Blessings,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 04/16/07 - Christians, PLEASE PRAY!

Today, there were 21 people killed and 21+ injured on the campus of Virginia Tech University by a lone gunman who is also dead. Please pray for peace, strength, and understanding for those involved and for healing for those injured.

Thank you,

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 04/16/07:

Thanks, Maggie. I began praying early a.m. when the news first broke.

Thanks for caring.
Bobbye

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jjgoss asked on 04/16/07 - ..Gunman Kills 21 on Virginia Tech Campus!!!!!!!!...

..BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people in the deadliest campus shooting rampage in U.S. history. The gunman was killed, bringing to death toll to 22, but it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.

"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."

The name of the gunman was not immediately released, and investigators offered no motive for the attack. It was not immediately known if the gunman was a student.

FBI spokesman Richard Kolko in Washington said there was no immediate evidence to suggest it was a terrorist attack, "but all avenues will be explored."


The bloodbath took place at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a coed dormitory that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building, authorities said.

Police said they were still investigating the shooting at the dorm - and the campus was under lockdown, with students to stay indoors and away from the windows - when authorities got word of gunfire at the classroom building.

Some of the dead were students. One student was killed in the dorm, and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.

Up until Monday, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history was a rampage that took place in 1966 at the University of Texas at Austin, where Charles Whitman climbed the clock tower and opened fire with a rifle from the 28th-floor observation deck. He killed 16 people before he was shot to death by police. In the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo., in 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.

The deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history was in Killen, Texas, in 1991, when George Hennard drove his pickup into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death, then himself.


Founded in 1872, Virginia Tech is nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains of southwestern Virginia, about 160 miles west of Richmond. With more than 25,000 full-time students, it has the state's largest full-time student population. The school is best known for its engineering school and its powerhouse football team.

The rampage took place on a brisk spring day, with snow flurries swirling around the campus, which is is centered around the Drill Field, a grassy field where military cadets - who now represent a fraction of the student body - once practiced. The dorm and the classroom building are on opposites sides of the Drill Field.

A gasp could be heard at a campus news conference when the police chief said at least 20 people had been killed. Previously, only one person was thought to have been killed.

Investigators from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began marking and recovering the large number of shell casings and will trace the weapon used, according to an ATF official who spoke on condition of anonymity because local authorities are leading the investigation.

A White House spokesman said President Bush was horrified by the rampage and offered his prayers to the victims and the people of Virginia.


"The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms, but that all laws must be followed," spokeswoman Dana Perino said

After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed, and classes were canceled through Tuesday. The university set up a meeting place for families to reunite with their children at the Inn at Virginia Tech. It also made counselors available and planned a convocation for Tuesday at the basketball arena.

After the shootings, students were told to stay inside away from the windows.

"There's just a lot of commotion. It's hard to tell exactly what's going on," said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.

Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.

"They had us under lockdown," Kanode said. "They temporarily lifted the lockdown, the gunman shot again."

"We're all locked in our dorms surfing the Internet trying to figure out what's going on," Kanode said.

Madison Van Duyne, a student who was interviewed by telephone on CNN, said: "We are all in lockdown. Most of the students are sitting on the floors away from the windows just trying to be as safe as possible."

Police said there had been bomb threats on campus over the past two weeks by authorities but said they have not determined a link to the shootings.

It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.

Last August, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus. The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges....

Bobbye answered on 04/16/07:

I began praying as soon as I heard the first news early a.m. today.

Thanks for the post.
Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 04/16/07 - Was Christ's Atonement Once and for All?

1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

The resident Catholic apologist says that there are many ways to lose your salvation. Unforgiveness is the one he mentioned.
If Christ's atonement paid our sin debt then how can we lose our salvation? If unforgiveness sends you to hell then dying in the act of flipping someone off on the freeway means an eternity in hell? What a sad life to believe that.

Atonement means to cover. Christ's blood covered our sins so that they are forgotten.


Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

If you don't believe the Bible how can call yourself a Christian?


The RCC and many liberal churches do not accept this. They will not accept the blood of Christ for the final atonement.








Bobbye answered on 04/16/07:

THE ATONEMENT WAS "ONCE AND FOR ALL!"

However, what we do with the Blood of Jesus; His sacrifice at Calvary, etc., is apart from what HE DID!

We will fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EVEN IN THE GRAVE HE DIDN'T FAIL!

Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 04/15/07 - Before They Fly, Spiders Check the Weather”

6. LiveScience: “Before They Fly, Spiders Check the Weather”

Stunning examples of God’s awesome capacity for design abound all around us—even in the lowly spider! Research published recently in Biology Letters explains how spiders take to the air, “flying” by “casting out a ‘dragline’ of silk thread, which gets carried by the wind, along with the attached critter.” But the truly amazing aspect of spider flight, as reported in the research, is how spiders determine “the best flight weather” before casting their lines. Spiders are most likely to “soar” on cloudy fall and spring days, avoiding breezeless summer days as well as the other extreme, stormy and wintry conditions.

This is where the design aspect comes in; after all, spiders lack the tools available to meteorologists! But as lead study author Andy Reynolds explains, “The literature on spider sensing points to tarsal organs and hairs as having roles in, respectively, the detection of temperature and wind speed.” While evolutionists wonder how such an integrated weather-determining system would have evolved, creationists can recognize the wonderful mechanism as part of God’s design.

Bobbye answered on 04/15/07:

Most interesting!

Thanks for sharing.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 04/14/07 - Jesus Tomb Film Scholars Backtrack



Check out this article in the Jerusalem Post:

Jesus Tomb Film Scholars Backtrack

Here is an excerpt:

"Several prominent scholars who were interviewed in a bitterly contested documentary that suggests that Jesus and his family members were buried in a nondescript ancient Jerusalem burial cave have now revised their conclusions, including the statistician who claimed that the odds were 600:1 in favor of the tomb being the family burial cave of Jesus of Nazareth, a new study on the fallout from the popular documentary shows."

Bobbye answered on 04/15/07:

Thanks for sharing. And no one who reads God's Word is surprised. The "Scholars" (ho-ho) should have done some reading and research before making themselves look so foolish.

Children in our Youth Church know better than the nonsense they were perpetrating!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 04/11/07 - SURVIVAL:



Many times, human enthusiasts will cite some of our unique characteristics, such as sentience, complex emotions, and a sense of right and wrong. Personally, I think such arguments betray a deep, ingrained speciocentricity. We, as humans, note a bunch of our characteristics and then deem them value-adding traits. Why? The answer is obvious: We, as humans, have a self-interested stake in our own survival. Therefore, we have selfish reasons for fabricating the notion that humans have greater intrinsic worth.

Do you agree?

HANK

Bobbye answered on 04/11/07:

Hank, I DO HAVE a "greater intrinsic worth!" I AM MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD! It is not a fabricated notion!!!!!!

Also, as the Apostle Paul preached: "YE ARE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE" -- THE BLOOD OF JESUS!"
Therefore, I have greater than "self worth." I have a value placed on me by my Creator!

Also, it is our Creator who gave us "survival" skills. It's inborn. It comes with the DNA.

Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 04/11/07 - How could a Christian organisation like the KKK do these terrible things, and how could juries comp




Scores of civil-rights activists were murdered in the American south in the 1950s and 60s. Their killers mostly went unpunished. But now cases are being reopened, as a new generation resolves to see justice done at last. Suzanne Goldenberg reports

Wednesday April 11, 2007
The Guardian

Michael Schwerner, James Chaney and Andrew Goodman, the three civil-rights campaigners were beaten and shot dead by Ku Klux Klan members in Philadelphia, Mississippi, in June 1964.

This is a Mississippi story. On January 11 1966, a gold-toned Plymouth Fury carrying a group of voting-rights activists crashed on a stretch of road near the small town of Sidon in the west of the state. Two African-American women, Birdia Keglar and Adlena Hamlett, were killed on that day. That much is certain. But in their deaths is buried a painful question that has gnawed at three generations of their families.

Was this an ordinary car wreck, or were the two women, who had previously been threatened, shot at and burned in effigy because of their efforts to register black voters, targetted on that road? Engineered car crashes were a known tactic by the Ku Klux Klan in Mississippi in the 1950s and 60s.

Violent crimes against African-Americans were rarely investigated or punished. And even if the women were murdered by white supremacists, was it better, as some members of Keglar's own family believed, to leave such suspicions left unspoken?

Now, 41 years after that crash, Keglar's cousin, Gwen Dailey, is campaigning for the FBI to open an investigation into her death. Despite the passage of time, the lack of recorded evidence, and the death of what few witnesses there may have been to that accident long ago, it is not an entirely unreasonable hope.

On February 27, the FBI announced at a press conference in Washington that it was going to take a new look at more than 100 unsolved murder cases from 1954 to 1968, the height of the struggle over racial integration and voting rights, when thousands of black and white activists in the south took on a culture fiercely opposed to any notion of equality or change.

The agency's director, Robert Mueller, said he had directed 17 field offices across the south to look into the files and determine which cases could still lead to a feasible prosecution despite the intervening years - in Mississippi, one new trial gets under way next month.

The move is an acknowledgment of a new generation in Mississippi that wants to put the past behind it, not by forgetting, but by trying to render some form of justice. Since 1989, the authorities in seven states have reopened investigations into 29 killings from the civil-rights era, leading to 28 arrests and 22 convictions. The true number of such murders could easily run into the hundreds. Shortly before the FBI announcement, the Southern Poverty Law Centre, which reports on hate crimes from its base in Montgomery, Alabama, put forward its own list of more than 70 suspicious killings that were never investigated by the authorities.

During those violent years, there was very little interest from state police or the FBI in investigating or even recording the suspicious deaths of African Americans, let alone those who were activists.

But the past has caught up with Mississippi. In most cases, relatives of those victims have set the pace for change by putting pressure on the authorities for an investigation. In others, investigative journalists or prosecutors have taken it upon themselves to reopen so-called cold cases. In Gwen Dailey's case, it was a question of putting to rest the doubt surrounding the true manner of her cousin's death, doubt that had been buzzing for almost all of her life. "I never stopped thinking about it. It wasn't a constant everyday thing, but I never stopped wondering: why did it happen, why does this kind of thing happen?"

Dailey is 57 now. As a child growing up in a close-knit family on a farm in the very rural Tallahatchie County in Mississippi, she was eager to spend her days tagging along after Birdia Keglar. Unusually for those days, Keglar was an active businesswoman. She ran a funeral parlour in town, belonged to several service organisations, and raised two sons practically on her own after husband's early death.

By the time Dailey knew her, Keglar was well into middle age and had earned a reputation as a persistent activist for voting rights in Tallahatchie County. The poor north-western corner of the state, flat and low-lying, was one of the most recalcitrant when it came to recognising the rights of African-Americans who, then as now, formed a majority in the county. It was here that Emmett Till, a 14-year-old African-American boy from Chicago, was kidnapped by a group of white men after he was accused of whistling at a white woman in a grocery store in 1955. When his body was dragged out of the Tallahatchie river three days later, there was a bullet in his skull and a heavy processing fan from a cotton gin attached to his body with barbed wire as a weight.

A jury of 12 white men deliberated for 67 minutes before acquitting the two suspects in the crime; a few months later the pair confessed to murdering Till in a magazine interview.

In those days, Keglar was one of the few African-Americans in Tallahatchie, male or female, who dared to be active in the civil-rights movement. She travelled to the Mississippi state capital of Jackson and to Washington, DC, marched in Alabama, and spent more than 10 years battling the local authorities at home to be allowed to register to vote. Her family says she was the first black woman to cast her ballot in the county. "She was a tiny little lady. She must have been four foot nine. She wasn't afraid," says Margaret Block, a civil-rights activist who was 18 when she met Keglar in the early 60s. "She was about the only one over there organising and leading organisations. Mrs Keglar was real serious. Everybody came to her for advice."

That activity created dangerous enemies for Keglar. Dailey says Keglar was often forced to change her route home from work after receiving threats. The lights were shot out at her home, and she was once forced off the road by a speeding blue truck. On the evening of January 11 1966, Keglar was returning from a meeting of civil-rights activists in Jackson when a local taxi driver turned up at the Dailey family home to pass on word of a car crash. The story in circulation was that Keglar had been killed on the spot in a head-on collision with another vehicle with a single white occupant. What the family could not entirely grasp on that day was that Mississippi was in the throes of a new statewide campaign of cross-burnings and violence organised by the Klan to protest at the start of investigations by Congress into civil rights abuses.

But, says Dailey, even then some things did not entirely add up. The two women in the car were horribly mutilated, the family says. Keglar was decapitated, which the family saw as a signature of a Klan killing. The car, a new model that belonged to and was driven by a relative of Keglar's named Grafton Gray, was never returned to the family from the crash site by the authorities. Neither were Keglar's briefcase or her prized fur coat. There was no coroner's report.

Dailey and other family members believe the car was deliberately rammed, and that the women were hauled out and tortured by the ambushing gang in front of the men who had been with them in the car. Despite surviving the crash and living for some years afterwards, Gray never spoke of what happened on that day. Neither did the other African-American survivor, who has also since died, nor a white activist from Massachusetts whom the family cannot locate. Over the years, Keglar's surviving son, Robert, now 82, pressed his cousin Gray, who lived on the neighbouring farm, for details. But he says his relative was terrified. "He wouldn't talk. I pressed him, but he just wouldn't talk," he says. "For months and years afterwards he would just go out to the edge of the field and cry," Dailey says.

Some details did seep out, Dailey says. A few days after the crash, the local white sheriff turned up at the family home to warn her father against asking too many questions. Robert Keglar received a similar visit. A few months later, his brother's house was set on fire. His brother died. Then Robert Keglar was dismissed from his teacher's job, as was Grafton Gray. The family decided it was best to set aside their doubts - or at least not voice them publicly.

Dailey moved to Chicago to work in healthcare; other family members, shocked and frightened, retreated into silence. Over the years, on visits home, Dailey asked her family about trying to investigate Keglar's death. "My dad said the climate here was still the same and if I was not going to live here and pursue this, I shouldn't do it," she says. In 2000, Dailey did give up her job in Chicago. When she moved home, she was nearly as old as Keglar was when she died - and suddenly she understood her father's fear and reluctance.

Dailey began writing to local representatives regardless, and visited the authorities asking for records on her aunt's death. On June 1 last year, her home town held a Birdia Keglar day. There are also plans to rename a strip of highway. "I have just been kind of pushing for something. I knew there could never be justice, but to get the incident recategorised so that it wasn't just saying that it was an accident where two women were killed - then I think I can sleep at night," Dailey says.

It is an impulse that Jerry Mitchell understands. On the computer in his cubicle in the newsroom of the Clarion-Ledger newspaper in Jackson, Mitchell keeps his own reminder of the importance of dealing with the past. It's a screensaver with the image of three young civil-rights workers: James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. The three, who were in the south registering blacks to vote, were in Philadelphia, Mississippi, in June 1964, investigating the torching of a black church, when they were arrested for speeding. After their release, late at night, they were ambushed on a remote road by two carloads of Klan members. They were beaten before being shot dead, their bodies buried in an earthen dam, and their car set on fire. "It's kind of them saying to me: 'Don't forget about us.' So I kept writing about it," Mitchell says. "I don't know if there is enough there to prosecute, but there is enough there to keep looking at it."

And enough to keep writing. A white southerner who is now 47, Mitchell had stumbled into what has turned out to be his life's work when he got a ticket to see the 1989 film Mississippi Burning, about the three civil-rights workers. Eight months later, he had a front-page story in the Clarion-Ledger about how a secretive state agency called the Sovereignty Commission had spied on Schwerner before his death, and circulated the registration number of his car around the state.

Over the years, Mitchell's investigations would help persuade the authorities that it was possible to bring ageing white supremacists to justice. His stories led to successful prosecutions in some of the most notorious cases of the civil-rights era, starting with the murder of the state secretary of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People, Medgar Evers, who was shot dead on the doorstep of his home in 1963. In the files of the Sovereignty Commission, Mitchell unearthed documents showing how the agency surreptitiously helped in the defence of the Klansman Byron de la Beckwith, who was on trial for Evers' murder. The revelation led to a new trial for Beckwith and his conviction on murder charges in 1994.

A subsequent Mitchell story exposed the holes in the alibi of Klansman Bobby Frank Cherry, leading to his conviction in the 1963 firebombing of a church in Birmingham, Alabama. Then Mitchell started combing the state's history archives, discovering a conversation with a Klan wizard that implicated a preacher named Edgar Ray Killen in organising the mob that killed the three civil-rights workers. Mitchell had a new target and, in 2005, he got him. Killen was convicted of the manslaughter of the three, and sentenced to 60 years in prison. Initially, the preacher, then 80, was freed on bail pending an appeal after pleading that he was confined to his wheelchair and needed oxygen to survive. However, a month after the verdict, Mitchell wrote a story on how Killen had been seen filling up his car unaided at a local petrol station. The preacher was ordered to remain in jail. But even after that victory, Mitchell says he is not done. "I continue to look at the three civil-rights workers' case," he says. "A number of these guys are walking around still."

Persuading readers and editors that there was an interest in pursuing these long-buried cases was a challenge at first. "I got a lot of calls saying, 'What are you doing writing about this dead N-word?' " he said. "I even had people I knew tell me: 'Jerry, why are you writing about this old stuff? Leave it alone.' "

Mitchell is rarely told to leave things alone now that he has won his paper a string of awards, but he says the work does not get easier. Though he continues to come across large numbers of suspected hate crimes from the past, he says he is forced to focus only on the most viable - those with an FBI paper trail, or where surviving witnesses offer a hope of eventual prosecution. But time is running out. "It just takes so much energy to do one of these cases. It's hard to crank it back up again," he says. "The window is closing. If there are going to be cases brought, then they have got to be brought fairly quickly."

In Tallahatchie County, where Birdia Keglar and Emmett Till died, the past 20 years have brought the emergence of an elected African-American political class, shifting the balance of power within the communities. Fifty years after the sham trial for Till's killers, it would be unheard of for an all-white male jury to sit on a murder trial. The most senior elected official in the county - Jerome Little, chairman of the board of supervisors - is African-American. Little is one of many people in Mississippi who has visions of turning the sites associated with Till's death into a tourist trail. He says his ambition is for the county to offer a formal apology to Till's relatives for his murder. In Philadelphia, where the three civil-rights workers were killed, black and white citizens have spent years working towards reconciliation. Now they are concerned with making sure that school textbooks have chapters on the civil-rights movement, and they have political support. These days, Mississippi has more elected black officials than any other state in America.

These changes have helped lay the foundation on which it is now possible to prosecute the crimes of the past, says Douglas Jones. He was instrumental in the prosecution of one of the most horrific crimes of the civil-rights era: the 1963 bombing of the Birmingham church, which killed four girls attending Sunday school in the basement. Although the authorities had identified four prime suspects within days of the bombing, only one man had ever been successfully prosecuted - until Jones took up the case. In April 2001, he secured the con- viction of Klan member Thomas Blanton for driving the men to the church in the middle of the night to lay a dozen sticks of dynamite on the window ledge. A year later he helped to secure a life sentence against another accomplice, Bobby Frank Cherry, who is believed to have set the fuse. "Today these old civil-rights cases will get a much more adept and critical review in terms of trying to open cases than they would have 15 or 20 years ago," Jones says. "I think most prosecutors would say: "I would give it a look.' "

But as Jones learned with the Birmingham bombing case, obtaining new evidence was almost impossible. Memories fade, witnesses die. In many instances there is no documentation. And despite Jones's optimistic outlook about race relations in the south, he found very little evidence of latter-day conscience in former associates of the Klan. His investigators interviewed 30 to 40 former Klan members, but found none genuinely willing to talk. Instead, Jones focused on mining the contacts Cherry and Blanton made in the years after the bombing. He discovered that Cherry had admitted to a granddaughter that he had had a hand in the girls' death. Then, through a process he describes as "the hand of God or something", one of Cherry's five former wives came forward to say he had told her he had lit the fuse on the explosives.

Jones admits, however, that his greatest asset was simply the chance to put evidence before a jury that was not blinkered by racism. PowerPoint presentations helped, as did television screens to view images of the girls' broken bodies, but the main thing was timing. "People were ready. Not only has there just been a general shift in attitudes in people who sit on juries, but there has been a seismic shift in communities, communities who have tried for so long to hide their past," he says.

So how does it feel to bring some measure of healing to one of America's great injustices? Jones is still troubled by the bombing. "As good as it feels to convict a guy and put him in prison, the tragic part of this case is that I never can really tell the story. I can't tell who built the bomb, and who took the bomb and planted it in Thomas Blanton's car. Did it go off at the right time that morning? Or was there a bad fuse, and it didn't go off when it was supposed to? All these questions are unanswered."

Gwen Dailey's questions about the way Birdia Keglar died are just beginning.

My Question: How could a Christian organisation like the KKK do these terrible things, and how could juries composed of Southern Christians acquit the obviously guilty murderers?

Is it time American Christians were made to face their hatred and bigotry?


Bobbye answered on 04/11/07:

KKK -- CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION? Ronnie, surely you jest.

But, of course, you don't live in the South/Southwest!

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 04/11/07 - TRANSITION:



What makes a person become an ATHEIST?

HANK

Bobbye answered on 04/11/07:

UNBELIEF -- IN GOD!

They have a "belief," however -- "THERE IS NO GOD!"

Bobbye

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Itsdb asked on 04/10/07 - At Bobbye's request

Bobbye had a request to my reply to Hank, to wit:

    "this board is a question and answer forum on the subject of Christianity, nothing more. It is not a Christian website and was never intended to be such."


Bobbye's request:

    "ITSDB, please provide to me in writing that this website was NEVER INTENDED to be a "Christian Board."


This is not stated 'explicitly' though it should be understood:

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    By allowing people with specific expertise to answer questions posted by people looking to learn, we bring together knowledge providers and seekers in a free and uncomplicated manner.


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Sharing of knowledge, a "person-to-person question & answer forum," this is the purpose of Answerway. It is NOT church, it is NOT Sunday School, it is NOT exclusive to Christians, it is NOT a "Christian board," it is NOT a "Christian website." It is ONLY a question and answer forum on the subject of Christianity. That is there should be no objection to atheists, agnostics and other skeptics participating, the only criteria is a knowledge of Christianity and following the rules.

Now, if any of you want to complain about folks not following the rules then be my guest, but in my opinion you need to accept that this is NOT a "Christian website."

Let the fur fly...

Bobbye answered on 04/10/07:

CHRISTIANS HAVE NEVER CLAIMED EXCLUSIVENESS -- ONLY EQUAL TIME AND EQUAL RESPECT!

Thanks.
Bobbye
P.S. I ask you once again: "Where does it state that it is not "Christian" and the sole purpose is to expose or bash Christianity?"
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IT IS A SHARING OF KNOWLEDGE! Knowledge about something of which you know "something!" Pagans and atheists know little about Christianity. In fact, no more than the "Christians" here trying to expose another's beliefs.
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HANK1 asked on 04/10/07 - TRANQUILITY:



We all need tranquility in our lives. We must view this state of personal satisfaction as being an end result of the POSITIVE influences we have come by over the years. Posting negatives shouldn't be conducive to happiness. There are some postives left! One 'biggie' is our futures at ANSWERWAY. You must know, really know, what makes you content while participating as an Expert and then be able to recognize the benefits of this transition. Just accept your drives with reservation and keep all common culprits at a distance. Be a private person by keeping your desires within your realm of proportional importance. Christians are in the majority on this Board but ... where are they? This is what bothers me. Loyalty among the majority against the radicalism of its opposite is what really counts. None of us are subject to the authority of another.

Bobbye's very sincere post today prompted this message. Most of us are just fumbling with the residue of intelligence. Why do we fight and snarl amongst ourselves? THAT'S MY QUESTION!

HANK

Bobbye answered on 04/10/07:

Thanks, Hank.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 04/10/07 - Can't we end this?



Clarification/Follow-up by Pericles on 04/09/07 11:53 pm:

"TS

If you are a Christian you are not supposed to call someone's wife a whore, unless you have very solid proof for that (and even than it is not very wise to do).
Your support for peddler tells me what type of "christian" you are ....."

If you know you're wrong, why don't you apologize? Then forget it. It's the Christian thing to do! If you're innocent, the opposite applies. Who needs this bickering? None of us do!

HANK

Bobbye answered on 04/10/07:

ITSDB, please provide to me in writing that this website was NEVER INTENDED to be a "Christian Board."

THIS IS A SINCERE REQUEST, AS I HAVE HEARD THIS FROM THE INCEPTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN ACTUAL PRINT "THIS IS NEVER TO BE A 'CHRISTIAN BOARD.'"

From Answerway to this Board people have posted "with vigor" that this is not a "Christian Board."

My question: "Why have Christians not been granted the same liberty as others to discuss things pertaining to Christ? Is He not part of 'Christianity?'"

When management of all the boards asked for suggestions for new categories, I do not believe they intended for "Christianity" to be a board where pagans and atheists were given carte blance to attack Chrsitians. This should be a board of enlightment -- not expose'!

Again, I ask for written proof of your statement.

Be blessed, and "thank you."
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 04/07/07 - Just Wondering ...


if we are punished for our parents' sins?

HANK

Bobbye answered on 04/07/07:

JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS AND WHO WILL EVER BE PUNISHED FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER! WE CELEBRATED HIS VICARIOUS SUFFERING YESTERDAY, GOOD FRIDAY!

Isaiah described it most prophetically and profoundly:

Isaiah 53:5, "He was wounded for OUR transgressions; He was bruised for OUR iniquities, and the chastisement of OUR peace was upon Him, and by His strips WE are healed!"

A blessed Resurrection Day!
Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 04/07/07 - Joseph Smith - the way to God?

Brigham Young stated,
No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the Celestial Kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith.

From the day that the priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith as a passport to their entrance into the mansion above where God and Christ are - I with you and you with me.

I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys to rule in the spirit world and he rules triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh. Journal of Discourses, Ed Decker and Dave Hunt, The Godmakers, page 41

But the infallible word of God says
Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father, but by me. John 14:6

Who should we believe? Jesus or Brigham Young?

Bobbye answered on 04/07/07:

Joel Osteen and Brigham Young are worlds apart; yet on the same beam!
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Joel Osteen to Larry King: "Larry, I can't say that Jesus is THE ONLY WAY!"

Larry King: "Doesn't your FAITH teach that?"

(Mr. King threw him a soft ball by the phrase "your FAITH." Of course, Joel Osteen doesn't teach that Jesus is the Only Way! He is a motivational speaker;e.g., "I guarantee that before you leave today and walk through the front door, I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I will make you feel good!" But he could have answered concerning the teachings of his father's faith! His father was the founder of Lakewood Church.)

Joel Osteen: "But I can't say that!!! We have Muslims and Jews in our congregation (Full-Gospel; Pentecostal; Charismatic congregation) and we don't want to offend them.

((My question: HOW CAN THEY BE OFFENDED? They know more about Joel Osteen's beliefs than Joel Osteen or they wouldn't be in his congretation. In fact, they RESPECT HIS FAITH more than he!!!!!!!!!)

Larry King: For the second and third time? "DOESN'T YOUR FAITH TEACH THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY?"

Joel Osteen: Well, at the end of each service we give an invitation for people to be saved?

DUH! ANSWER THE QUESTION! "IS JESUS THE ONLY WAY, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE THAT YOU CLAIM THAT YOU PREACH?"
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Brigham Young: "No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the Celestial Kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith."

Mr. Young, surely you jest! Jesus is the One -- THE ONLY ONE -- who will claim or deny entrance to anyone into HIS FATHER'S KINGDOM!

Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 04/07/07 - New Poll

WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Brian Braiker
Newsweek
Updated: 2:04 p.m. CT March 31, 2007
March 30, 2007 - A belief in God and an identification with an organized religion are widespread throughout the country, according to the latest NEWSWEEK poll. Nine in 10 (91 percent) of American adults say they believe in God and almost as many (87 percent) say they identify with a specific religion. Christians far outnumber members of any other faith in the country, with 82 percent of the poll’s respondents identifying themselves as such. Another 5 percent say they follow a non-Christian faith, such as Judaism or Islam. Nearly half (48 percent) of the public rejects the scientific theory of evolution; one-third (34 percent) of college graduates say they accept the Biblical account of creation as fact. Seventy-three percent of Evangelical Protestants say they believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years; 39 percent of non-Evangelical Protestants and 41 percent of Catholics agree with that view.
Although one in ten (10 percent) of Americans identify themselves as having "no religion," only six percent said they don’t believe in a God at all. Just 3 percent of the public self-identifies as atheist, suggesting that the term may carry some stigma. Still, the poll suggests that the public’s tolerance of this small minority has increased in recent years. Nearly half (47 percent) of the respondents felt the country is more accepting of atheists today that it used to be and slightly more (49 percent) reported personally knowing an atheist. Those numbers are higher among respondents under 30 years old, 62 percent of whom report knowing an atheist (compared to just 43 percent of those 50 and older). Sixty-one percent of the under-30 cohort view society as more accepting of atheists (compared to 40 percent of the Americans 50 and older).

Poll

Bobbye answered on 04/07/07:

Great info.

However, if no one else believes, I believe and I'll keep on believing.

Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 04/05/07 - John 1:1 - Does it Say Jesus is "a god"?

One of the key arguments that the Watchtower Society puts forward to try to argument against the Biblical teaching that Jesus is God is to try to alter the translation of John 1:1. The Watchtower Society New World Translation (1) (NWT) states the follows for John 1:1:

"In [the] Beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god"

The same passage reads as follows from the NKJV (2) :

John 1:1
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
NKJV

The key portion of this passage that we need to focus on is the part which states "..the Word was God.".
Because of the fact that both Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians acknowledge that the reference to the
Word is a reference to Jesus, this is a critical passage. If this does indeed say that Jesus is God, then this is a major blow to one of the most important doctrines of the Watchtower Society. The rest of this
article therefore will focus on this part of the passage and what the passage actually says when we look at the passage in the original Greek.

The original passage in Greek reads:
kai theos en ho logos.

The definite article applies to the subject, which is this case is the Word. The Word is the subject, not God.

Second thing to understand about Greek is that the word order may vary, but is important for the purposes
of emphasis. In the original Greek, theos is the first person or item mentioned, and though the words may
be in any order, the word which is put first is placed in that position for emphasis. The "word" comes later
in the sentence. Thus, in Greek, it would read, "What God was, the Word was". In English, we translate
this to "The Word was God".

The Jehovah witnesses translate this to read "the Word was a god" based upon a mis-translation of the
Greek, making the assumption that "ho" translates to "a" in English as definite article while when "theos" does not have an definite article, it should be assumed to have an indefinite article (Greek does not have an indefinite article). Without trying to get into details of Greek translation, we can demonstrate that this is not correct by simply showing that in Greek, the one true God is referred to elsewhere in the New Testament by the term "theos" without the definite article. Examples:

Matt 1:23
23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,"
which is translated, "God with us."
NKJV

Matt 15:4
4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother' and, 'He who curses father or
mother, let him be put to death.'
NKJV

Mark 2:7
7 Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
NKJV

Luke 20:38
38 "For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him."
NKJV

There are many more examples throughout the New Testament which could be given. In each example
given, the Watchtower Society New World Translation translates the word "God" with the exception of
Luke 20:38 where they translate it as "a God" (note the capital "G").

The problems with this are numerous. First and foremost, this creates two gods and yet scripture is abundantly clear throughout that there is only one true God (Deut 6:4, Zech 14:9 and many others). Secondly, they are inconsistent in their translation of passages which lack the definite article. Indeed, to claim that there is more than one god mentioned in this passage from John 1:1, then the Greek would have to read as follows:

kai ho logos en theos.

Note how logos now becomes the emphatic and God is demoted? This teaching is a heresy which is known
as Arianism, and when you mis-translate the Greek in this manner, you end up with two gods, instead of the
one that scripture says exists. Another mistake would have been to word it as:

kai ho logos en ho theos.

Which reads "..and the Word was the God", which in Greek would say that the Word was God the Father,
rather than simply God. This is another heresy. But John was quite specific in his wording to be clear that Jesus is God, but not God the Father. Thus John 1:1 says that the Word (Jesus) is God, and though He is God, the one true God, He is not God the Father. John 1:1 is thus presenting the doctrine of the trinity nicely.

Now of course the JWs have an issue if they say that Jesus is "a god", because that now means that have denied monotheism and have become polytheistic. Scriopture tells us that there is only one God, and if there is only one, all other god are, according to scripture, false gods, idols and demons. What would the JW doctrine say about Jesus in this case?

Now, much of the problems that JWs have with respect to understanding the nature of God has to do with their rejection of what the Bible says about the trinity. hOPE indicates that she does not understand why one person of the trinity can be seen and another cannot be. that is exactly the point - we know that Jesus is God because scripture says so, but no one has seen the Father.

Bobbye answered on 04/06/07:

Never has! Never will!

If Jesus is just "a god," how can John 1:9 be true?

John 1:9, "That was the true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.'

There is no "light" (or "eternal life") in just "a god." The Archangel Michael (to whom they compare Jesus) CANNOT; DID NOT; AND WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GIVE ME ETERNAL LIFE!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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jjgoss asked on 04/06/07 - ..Has anyone seen God or not?..

..Has seen

1.(Gen. 17:1) – “Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty ; Walk before Me, and be blameless;


2. (Gen. 18:1) Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”


3. (Exodus 6:2-3) – “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty , but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”


4. (Exodus 24:9-11) – “Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”


5. (Num. 12:6-8) – “He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision . I shall speak with him in a dream. 7"Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?"


6. (Acts 7:2), "And he [Stephen] said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran. . . "


..Has not seen


1. (Exodus 33:20) – “But He [God] said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live !"


2. (John 1:18) – “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”


3. (John 5:37) – “"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.”


4. (John 6:46) - "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”


5. (1 Tim. 6:15-16) – “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion ! Amen.”


It is evident above that God was seen. But, considering the "can't-see-God" verses, some would understandably argue that there would be a contradiction. Once explanation offered is that the people were seeing visions, or dreams, or the Angel of the LORD (Num. 22:22-26; Judges 13:1-21) and not really God Himself. But the problem is that the verses cited above do not say vision, dream, or Angel of the LORD. They say that people saw God (Exodus 24:9-11), that God was seen, and that He appeared as God Almighty (Exodus 6:2-3).
At first, this is difficult to understand. God Almighty was seen (Exodus 6:2-3) which means it was not the Angel of the Lord, for an angel is not God Almighty, and at least Moses saw God, not in a vision or dream, as the LORD Himself attests in Num. 12:6-8. If these verses mean what they say, then we naturally assume we have a contradiction. Actually, the contradiction exists in our understanding, not in the Bible--which is always the case with alleged biblical contradictions.
The solution is simple. All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the people of the OT were seeing God, the Almighty God, and Jesus said that no one has ever seen the Father (John 6:46), then they were seeing God Almighty, but not the Father. It was someone else in the Godhead. I suggest that they were seeing the Word before He became incarnate. In other words, they were seeing Jesus.
If God is a Trinity, then John 1:18 is not a problem either because in John chapter one, John writes about the Word (Jesus) and God (the Father). In verse 14 it says the Word became flesh. In verse 18 it says no one has seen God. Since Jesus is the Word, God then, refers to the Father. This is typically how John writes of God: as a reference to the Father. We see this verified in Jesus own words in John 6:46 where He said that no one has ever seen the Father. Therefore, Almighty God was seen, but not the Father. It was Jesus before His incarnation. There is more than one person in the Godhead and the doctrine of the Trinity must be true.....

~Christian Apologetics

Bobbye answered on 04/06/07:

Genesis 17:1, "Deity in Angelic form." Thus, Abraham did not see God face to face.

Nor did Moses: "Exodus 33:22-23, KJV "And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my and while I pass by:

Vs. 23, "And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."
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However, Jesus said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father." John 14:9 KJV

"Christ: The Seen God!"
God, The Father: "The Unseen God!"
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John 1:18, "NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME; THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, WHICH IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER, HE HATH DECLARED HIM."

A blessed Resurrection Day!
Bobbye

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Rosekeeper asked on 04/06/07 - Who is the word?

Hello Experts
Now that I have left the NWT, and went back to read the King James Version, I am still at lost, of who God is?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
(Correct me Please, if I am wrong?) Is this Scripture saying, that Jesus Christ, is God, or simply a god, the way I was taught, when I was younger?
Thank you all.

Bobbye answered on 04/06/07:

"WORD" (Greek: "Logos") - JESUS!

Joy, if you will insert "Jesus" for "Word," you will have a simple meaning of the truth of John 1 (which is my favorite book and chapter in the Bible).

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EXAMPLE:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (JESUS), and the Word (JESUS) was with God (the Father), and the Word (JESUS) was God (equal with The Father).

John 1:2 The same (JESUS) was in the beginning with God (the Father).

John 1:3 All things were made by him (JESUS); and without him (JESUS) was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:4 In him (JESUS) was life; and the life was the light of men.

Now, skip down to

John 1:6, "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist).

1:7, "The same (John the Baptist or "Baptizer") came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light (JESUS), that all men through him (JESUS) might believe.

1:8: He (John the Baptizer) was not that Light (Jesus), but wAs sent to bear witness of that Light (Jesus).

1:9, That was the true Light (Jesus), which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

1:10, "He (JESUS) was in the world, and the world was made by him (JESUS), and the world knew him (JESUS) not.

1:11, "He (Jesus) came unto His own (JESUS' own: The Jewish nation), and his own (The Jewish nation) received him (JESUS) not.

1:12, "But as many was received him (Jesus), to them gave he (JESUS) power to hecome the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name (JESUS).

Now, skip to

John 1:14, "An the Word (JESUS) WAS MADE FLESH (as a babe in a manger) and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth!

A Blessed Easter! HE IS RISEN -- INDEED!
Bobbye
P.S. John used the term "Word" to describe Jesus in John 1, as he was writing to Greeks who understood "words," as the Greek language then had 250,000 words compared to 50,000 Hebrew words.

"WORD:" "THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF GOD, WHO 'COUNTED IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD!'"


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Toms777 asked on 04/02/07 - Must One Submit to the Roman Religion to be Saved?

Since PH has started bring up the Roman Religion, I thought that I would reference a talk given by the Pope this past week, Here is an interesting excerpt:

"Pope Benedict said, "Because of its antiquity, the church of Rome has the greater apostolicity; it traces its origin from the pillars of the apostolic college, Peter and Paul. All the churches must be in accord with the church of Rome, recognizing in it the standard of the true apostolic tradition, of the one, common faith of the church."

Who on here other than those who are part of the Roman Religionm would be willing to submit themselves to the authority of the Pope and the Roman Religion?

Where in scripture does it say that we must submit to a manmade institution?

Bobbye answered on 04/02/07:

When does the Pope think this will happen?

"Because of its antiquity, the church of Rome" should have won the world to its beliefs ere now! What hath hindered it?

IT'S NOT IN SCRIPTURE. But, here again, the Pope doesn't believe in Sola Scripture.

Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 03/31/07 - Importance of the Resurrection

We dealt with the importance of the cross, and with the importance of the crucifixion, but the gospel does not end there. If it did, there would be no gospel since Christ would not be who He said that He was. Paul expresses it this way:

1 Cor 15:14-19
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
NKJV

There are those who believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead. There are various theories, including that he died and never rose and that the body was simply stolen and hidden, or that Jesus died to remain dead and that the Arch-Michael rose instead of Jesus, or that Jesus did not rise in the flesh but only as a spirit, and all sorts of other heresies.

But Paul is clear that if we deny that Jesus resurrected from the dead, then there is no hope for us. Because Jesus is resurrected, we who are born again know that we can also rely on the promise of God that we will also be resurrected to eternal life with Him.

1 Peter 1:3-6
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
NKJV

Jesus was asked by the Sadduccees about the resurrection of the dead and here is what He said:

Matt 22:23-33
23 The same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, 24 saying: "Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. 25 Now there were with us seven brothers. The first died after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother. 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, even to the seventh. 27 Last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her." 29 Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven. 31 But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God, saying, 32'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living." 33 And when the multitudes heard this, they were astonished at His teaching.
NKJV

Jesus taught the resurrection of the dead as an essential. But does this mean that all who are resurrected are saved? No.

John 5:28-30
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
NKJV

All men and women will be resurrected and all will stand before God but only those who are saved by having received the true gospel and the true Jesus as Saviour will receive the resurrection of life.

Rev 20:5-6
6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
NKJV

The others will go to the resurrection of death that we read about in the book of Revelation:

Rev 20:13-15
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
NKJV

Unfortunately, there were those in Paul's day and even those today who deny and mock the belief in the resurrection.

Acts 17:30-32
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead." 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter."
NKJV

Some today deny the existence of hell and the lake of fire, other believe in annihilationism (the belief that when you are dead, you have no future). Other believe in variances of this called soul sleep, and one very strange variant on this is that when we die, God stores the data of who we are and our lives in a database, and at some future time, if we are lucky, may choose to upload that data into a different body. Again, a denial of the resurrection.

No matter how it goes, to deny the resurrection is heresy. To deny the resurrection of the dead denies that Jesus Christ rose, and means that we have no hope. To deny the resurrection of the dead means that we also will not rise to new life and have no hope.

For those who are born again, the resurrection is great hope that we look forward to, knowing that when we are resurrected that we will have a new glorified body and will be spending eternity with God.

It is important to receive Christ as Saviour in this life and be born again. There is no second chance.

Bobbye answered on 03/31/07:

THANK GOD, GRACE DID NOT END AT THE CRUCIFIXION! There is more! Much, much more!

BLOOD SHED MUST ALSO BE BLOOD SPRINKLED BEFORE IT ATONES (O.T.): Hebrew: "kaphar") OR REMOVES SIN PERMANENTLY (N.T.).

"And if Christ be not risen...!" BUT "HE IS RISEN, INDEED(an absolute)!"

The Power of The Cross brought Reconciliation with a Loving God; the Power of The Resurrection brought Life; BUT The Power of The Gospel of Christ (as The Apostle Paul stated) brought "Salvation; to the Jew first and also to the Greek (barbarian)." And I continue to stand amazed -- AT HIS AMAZING GRACE!

A blessed Palm Sunday to you!
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 03/31/07 - Have you heard this on the TV or radio?????????????

HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE TWO DUCK HUNTERS FROM WISCONSIN?
ABSOLUTELY A TRUE STORY HEARD ON A WISCONSIN RADIO STATION REPORTING
ON THE INCIDENT.

A guy buys a new Lincoln Navigator for $42,500.00 (with monthly
payments of $560.00).

He and a friend goes duck hunting in upper Wisconsin. It's mid-
winter; and of course all of the lakes are frozen. These two guys go
out on the ice with their GUNS, a DOG, and of course the new NAVIGATOR.
They decide they want to make a natural looking open water area for
the ducks to focus o n, something for the decoys to float on.

Now making a hole in the ice large enough to invite a passing duck is
going to take a little more power than the average drill auger can
produce.

So, out of the back of the new Navigator comes a stick of dynamite
with a short 40 second-fuse. Now our two Rocket Scientists, afraid
they might slip on the ice while trying to run away after lighting
the fuse
(and becoming toast, along with the Navigator), decide on the
following course of action: they light the 40 second fuse; then, with
a mighty thrust, they throw the stick of dynamite as far away as
possible.


Remember a couple of paragraphs back when I mentioned the NAVIGATOR,
the GUNS, and the DOG...???

Let's talk about the dog: A highly trained Black Lab used for
RETRIEVING; especially things thrown by the owner. You guessed it:
the dog takes off across the ice at a high rate of speed and grabs
the stick of dynamite, with the burning 40-second fuse, just as it
hits the ice.

The two men swallow, blink, start waving their arms and, with veins
in their necks swelling to resemble stalks of rhubarb, scream and
holler at the dog to stop. The dog, now apparently cheered on by his
master,
keeps coming.

One hunter panics, grabs the shotgun and shoots the dog. The shotgun
is loaded with #8 bird shot, hardly big enough to stop a Black Lab.
The dog stops for a moment, slightly confused, then continues on.
Another shot, and this time the dog, still standing, becomes really
confused and of course terrified, thinks these two geniuses have gone
insane. The dog takes off to find cover, UNDER the brand new Navigator.

The men continue to scream as they run. The red hot exhaust pipe on
the truck touches the dog's rear end, he yelps, drops the dynamite
under the truck and takes off after his master.


Then " "" "" "" "" " BOOOOOOOOOOOOM " "" "" "" "" "" " ! ! ! !

The truck is blown to bits and sinks to the bottom of the lake,
leaving the two idiots standing there with "I can't believe this just
happened" looks on their faces.

The insurance company says that sinking a vehicle in a lake by
illegal use of explosives is NOT COVERED by the policy. And he still
had yet to make the first of those $560.00 a month payments.

The dog is okay...doing fine. And you thought Rednecks lived in the
South......








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Bobbye answered on 03/31/07:

Heard it on the news! I've tried to tell everyone that the South and Southwest are not home to all the "rednecks!" LOL

A good one.
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 03/31/07 - Tomorrow is Palm Sunday:


The meaning of Palm Sunday can best be understood through the events leading up to it. Palm Sunday is the Sunday, which comes before Easter. It is the feast referred in the church calendar of the Roman Catholics and the Protestant Christians. The Palm Sunday is also regarded as the First day of the Holy week, commemorating Jesus’ coming to Jerusalem. On this day, Jesus came back to Jerusalem riding on a donkey. Watching Him riding on an ass His followers shouted “Hossana” or ‘save us now’, and scattered palm in His path to welcome the ‘Messiah’, the saver.

You can understand the meaning of Palm Sunday by referring to all four canonical Gospels that are Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. It was the time for the Jewish priests to celebrate the Passover. Jesus too joined the feast in Jerusalem. The Palm Day is of a great significance to His followers. They stood on the roads and were holding palm branches in hands in order to welcome Jesus. For them, His return to Jerusalem was cause enough to celebrate.

According to the New Testament, before entering in Jerusalem, Jesus was staying at Bethany. He too had dinner with Lazarus and His two sisters Mary and Martha. According to the Gospels, John and the Synoptic Jesus also sent two of His disciples to Bethany in order to search for a colt, which was later found to be wandering in Bethany. Jesus later rode the colt and reached Bethany. The local people welcomed Him singing the Psalm 118, which goes on like this: Blessed is He who comes in the name of ‘Yahweh’.

The Roman Catholic Church call this Sunday the Second Sunday of the Passion. In this Passion Week Liturgy, people enter the church with blessed Palms in hands, and later enacts Jesus’ entering in Jerusalem. These Palms are burned in some churches in order to store ashes for the upcoming ‘Ash Wednesday’.

Symbolism
In the Jewish tradition, the Palm branches are symbols of triumph and victory. Hence, the act of spreading Palms in His path and carpeting the way with the branches are quite symbolical and expresses their veneration towards Jesus. The song that the Jewish people sang was the Benediction song of the Passover meal. It thus presents the figure if Jesus as the symbolic Passover Sacrifice.

The Traditions and Meaning of Palm Sunday

It is customary for the patrons to receive Palm leaves on Palm Sunday.
In Elx, Spain, which is the biggest Palm forest, you can find people tying the palm leaves up to protect them from sunlight and later braid them in different shapes.
On Palm Sundays the Spanish people wear new clothes and shoes.
In churches, Palm crosses are distributed and processions are held.
Celebrations
In the Christian countries, Palm Sunday is also regarded as the Holy Sunday. The Holy week begins with the Palm Sunday and culminates in the Easter Sunday. On this day children are given crosses made of single Palm leaves. Many churches hold processions, and people sing songs praising Jesus. In Israel, Christians carry palm leaves from Bethpage, and take on a procession from Jericho to Jerusalem, in order to re-explore the path taken by Jesus.

Thus, the Palm Sunday begins with cherishable memory of Jesus’ return to Jerusalem, but ends with a melancholic note with the thought of His ultimate crucifixion.

C/P

Just a reminder that we are entering into a very Holy week amd I pray that tomorrow, Palm Sunday will be a very special spiritual day, a day of awakening and remembrance of who we are and who our Father is and that we take inventory of our lives for His sake.

God bless,
MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 03/31/07:

Maggie, how thoughtful to share with us as a reminder of Jesus' one last time to offer Himself as King.

I often ponder, "'WHAT KIND OF WORLD WOULD THIS WORLD BE' HAD THEY ACCEPTED HIM KING OF ISRAEL THAT DAY?"

Truly, "Jerusalem," or "the Jews' Salem," would have known peace for eternity! The Melchizedek Priesthood would have ruled eternally in the City of Peace!

A Blessed Palm Sunday to you, Maggie.

Bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 03/31/07 - Could the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the flesh"

have been that he was a homosexual?

Whether your answer is no or yes, please give Biblical, historical, cultural, or any other evidence/documentation you deem useful.

Bobbye answered on 03/31/07:

"NEAR BLINDNESS," due to his stoning at Lystra: Acts 14:19, KJV.

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"Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there, and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposng him to be dead. However, when the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe."
Acts 14:19-20 KJV.
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Galatians 4:13-15 recalls how the Galatians had cared for him in his illness, treating him as they would an angel, or even Christ Himself. In fact, Paul told those in the Church of Galatia: Galatians 4:15, "...if possible you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me" -- referring to his eye problems.
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STONING IN BIBLICAL DAYS:
The procedure for stoning was to lead one to the brow of a hill (or highest point, wehther it be hill-sized or larger) where each man took a stone (boulder in size) and thrust it upon the victim. The last two boulders were thrust upon his head (destroying his skull, eyes, facial features)and upon his heart -- assuring death.

(Mary, Joseph, and the unborn Christ were candidates for this type stoning, thus Joseph's fear and "wanting to put Mary away privily.")

Acts 14:19, "...supposing him to be dead...he rose up...," Luke (Paul's friend, physician, and the writer of Acts) was possibly saying that PAUL DID DIE BUT WAS RESURRECTED BEFORE THEIR EYES. However, he was left impaired. Many scholars believe that The Apostle actually died and was resurrected before the eyes of the disciples.

There are further references in The Apostle's writing to "...whether in the body or out of the body: I know not which," implying that he was caught up into Heaven (of which we have no record as we have of John the Revelator's being "caught up into Heaven" or "being in the spirit on The Lord's Day); RATHER, the Apostle's alluding to his DEATH AT LYSTRA!"
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While the unlearned teach/preach that The Apostle's thorn was "homosexuality," there is no Scriptural basis for such. However, history records and describes stoning during Biblical days, of which Paul was a victim.

PROOF OF BLINDNESS:
Galatians 6:11, "See with what large letters I have written to you with my own hand."

The Book of Acts gives account of Paul's Damascus Road experience (his Salvation); thus the beginning of his ministry. Moving on into ministry, the Book of Galatians is possibly one of his earliest writings (48 A.D.) -- not long after the stoning at Lystra in Acts 14.

The Apostle prayed many times for God's healing, whereupon God reminded His faithful servant, "My grace is sufficient!"

Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 03/31/07 - Please Help Out Pete

Pete has requested that people check out this link on my website:

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Please do me a favor and go to:

http://welcome.to/tomsmith

click on:

Click here for a Welcome Message

and let me know if you hear anything

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(Source: http://www.answerway.com/viewques.php?pgtitle=Christianity&category=633&msection=0&quesid=59816) and http://www.answerway.com/viewques.php?pgtitle=Christianity&category=633&msection=0&quesid=59807 )

I encourage you to help Pete out on this one.

Here is a clickable link to the website:

Tom Smith's Homepage

Everyone is welcome to check it out and help out Pete.

Also, take the tome to check out these other two websites with downloadable audio:

Discern.ca

Last Days Bible Conferences

I hope that this helps, Pete!

Bobbye answered on 03/31/07:

As Will Rogers was reported to have stated: "I don't care what they are saying, as long as they are talking about me. It's great publicity."

Be blessed, Tom, in your preaching and teaching of The Gospel of Jesus Christ -- regardless of the voice problems. The Twelve died horrible deaths, except The Beloved Apostle John (whom God allowed to live to 100+ in order to disseminate The Revelation).

As with The Apostle Paul: "I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto Salvation, to the Jew first and also to the Greek (barbarian):" Romans 1:16.

We have a pastor(?) in our city who preaches to 20,000/service, yet denied Jesus THREE TIMES on "Larry King Live."

Be blessed at this Blessed Easter Season!
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 03/30/07 - Interesting Study!

architect claims to solve pyramid secret By LAURENCE JOAN-GRANGE, Associated Press Writer

PARIS - A French architect claimed Friday to have uncovered the mystery about how Egypt's Great Pyramid of Khufu was built — with use of a spiral ramp to hoist huge stone blocks into place.

The construction of the Great Pyramid 4,500 years ago by Khufu, a ruler also known as Cheops, has long befuddled scientists as to how its 3 million stone blocks weighing 2.5 tons each were lifted into place.

Ending eight years of study on the subject, architect Jean-Pierre Houdin released his findings and a computerized 3-D mockup showing how workers would have erected the pyramid at Giza outside Cairo.

The most widespread theory had been that an outer ramp had been used by the Egyptians, who left few traces to help archeologists and other scientists decode the secret to the construction.

Houdin said he had taken into account the copper and stone tools available at the time, the granite and limestone blocks, the location of the pyramid and the strength and knowledge of the workers.

According to his theory — shown in a computer model available at http://www.3ds.com/khufu — the builders put up an outer ramp for the first 141 feet, then constructed an inner ramp in a corkscrew shape to complete the 446-feet structure.

Houdin said he based his theory partially on work by fellow Frenchman Gilles Dormion, who has studied pyramid construction for more than 20 years.

Houdin also postulated that King's Chamber, situated 43 meters above the pyramid's base and capped with granite ceilings, was hoisted into place through a system of counterweights.

Houdin said he plans to verify his theories through non-invasive tests on site

Bobbye answered on 03/30/07:

Thanks, Maggie. More plausible than explanations offered heretofore.

INTERESTING!

Blessings,
Bobbye

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Toms777 asked on 03/29/07 - Why would Study of the Bible be detrimental?

The Watchtower stated that even if a person were to study using Watchtower materials for 10 years, even 2 years of studying the Bible alone would cause them to fall away. (Watchtower, September 15, 1910. Page 298, near the bottom of the left hand column)

What is it that the Watchtower teaches which is so dramatically different from the Bible that study of the Bible would cause them to leave the JW organization?

Bobbye answered on 03/29/07:

Sola Scripture (for ONLY 2 days) would cause them to fall away -- AND RUN DIRECTLY TO THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD!

They are correct in their assertion.

GOD'S WORD IS "LIFE TO THOSE WHO FIND IT!'" (Proverbs 4:20-22)

May they find the truth that JESUS IS GOD --and not a created spirit like Michael.

May they find the truth that God's Word "is forever settled in Heaven."

Blessings,
Bobbye

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Pete. asked on 03/23/07 - Heaven

What do you expect to feel, as Christians, when you or your loved one is diagnosed with a terminal disease

Bobbye answered on 03/24/07:

Fear, hopelessness, anger (yes, the medical field has provided much discussion re anger's following fear and hopelessness after such a diagnosis); questioning, etc., etc.

After experiencing the above from one end of the spectrum to another, you pick yourself up and THEN, and only then, you realize you have no where to turn but to your faith.

Yes, I believe in modern medicine for help; yes, I believe in trusting and following the doctor's advice, but you know in your heart that only God can see you through such a nighmare! And, Pete, that's what God does!

The outcome may not be as hoped, but I know that I know that God doeth all things well! We have nothing but our faith, hope, and trust in a loving God at such a time!

Bobbye

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PrinceHassim asked on 03/23/07 - Could you be an Israelite and not know it?

"Here's a paradox, a most ingenious paradox: an anthropological fact, many Christians may have much more Hebrew-Israelite blood in their veins than most of their Jewish neighbors."
Alfred M. Lilienthal

Could this possibly be so? If so, it would mean that the majority of Christendom and the rest of society has misidentified the people most prominent in the Bible. If Israel has been misidentified there is no doubt that major errors in doctrinal interpretation and application of biblical prophecy have been made! Take a look at a truly remarkable study of Assyrian tablets that reveal the fate of the Lost Tribes of Israel. This is the book considered by most to be Capt's finest of all his vast and excellent literary achievements!

An archaeological study of the origin and history of the so-called "Lost Tribes of Israel" and the Assyrian tablets that reveal the fate of these same people chosen by God to be the "light-bearers" to the nations. When clay cuneiform tablets were found in the excavations of the Assyrian Royal Library of Ashurbanipal in ancient Nineveh, their relevance to the nation of Israel was overlooked at the time. This was undoubtedly because they were in complete disorder and among hundreds of miscellaneous text dealing with many matters of State. Contributing to this situation was the fact that the Assyrians called the Israelites by other names during their captivity.

Some of the tablets found were dated around 707 B.C. and reveal the fate of the Israelites as they escaped from the land of their captivity and"disappeared" into the hinterland of Europe. These tablets form the "Missing Links" that enable us to identify the modern-day descendants of the"Lost Tribes of Israel". In doing so, we increase our knowledge of Bible history and experience a dramatic revision of our preconceived ideas of Bible prophecy.

In this authoritative book, the author has attempted no more than a brief review of the origin and history of the Israelites; a survey of the Assyrian inscriptions and cuneiform tablets that record the deportations of Israel as related to Biblical and secular history; their sojourn in captivity, and a synopsis of their migrations to their new homelands (British Isles, France, Germany, Scandanavia, Canada, America, etc.). "Missing Links" is the book that opened the eyes of thousands of Christians (Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Church of Christ, and more) to their Israelite heritage and how that one single discovery has changed the way they now view all Bible doctrine and prophecy!

Bobbye answered on 03/24/07:

APPLES & ORANGES ("Here's a paradox, a most ingenious paradox: an anthropological fact, many Christians may have much more Hebrew-Israelite blood in their veins than most of their Jewish neighbors." Alfred M. Lilienthal)!!!

HOW CAN A CHRISTIAN (A "BELIEF") HAVE MORE JEWISH BLOOD (DNA) THAN A HEBREW? ABSURD!

And of what tribe are we???? P-I-T-I-F-U-L!

Bobbye




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PrinceHassim asked on 03/23/07 - Ron Wyatt 'proves' Bible truths

Ron Wyatt was an amateur archaeologist whose work has gained wide attention in Christian circles before and after his death in 1999 because his efforts were claimed to yield tangible "proof" of many of the events in the Bible. His findings were presented by himself and others in person and on tape to many church groups in the US and around the English-speaking countries of the world. They gained particular popularity in Australia and New Zealand through the efforts of Wyatt associate Jonathan Gray. Wyatt's archaeological claims continue to be aggressively promoted in the US and around the world by both the official Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR) organization which he founded, and a variety of independent ministries and interested individuals. A number of "prophetic" ministries, such as that of Michael Rood, [see the Profile of Michael Rood elsewhere on this Field Guide website] use Wyatt's materials extensively in establishing and promoting their own prophetic scenarios.

Wyatt seemed to have adopted a swashbuckling "persona" not unlike that of the fictional archaeologist "Indiana Jones" from the movies, and his exploits have become almost legendary in some Christian circles. The news of his claims has been widespread, and many Christians have swallowed those claims whole. They are unaware that almost all of Wyatt's most flamboyant claims are highly controversial and hotly contested. It is the purpose of this material to give an overview of the claims and provide documentation on the challenges to those claims by credible investigators.

The Claims

Ron Wyatt claimed to have discovered (or positively identified--at least to his own satisfaction--for the first time in modern history) a large number of locations and objects in the Middle East which would corroborate the events of the Bible. Some lists of such discoveries by Wyatt include close to 100 such claims made by him. The most significant of these are:

Noah's Ark

"Anchor stones" used by Noah for the ark

The Post-Flood house and tombs of Noah and his wife

The location of Sodom and Gomorrah

Sulfur balls from the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah

The point of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea in Exodus

Debris from the pursuing army of Pharoah at the bottom of the sea

The site of the Biblical Mt. Sinai

A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's temple

The Ark of the Covenant

The stones on which God carved the Ten Commandments

The exact site of the crucifixion of Jesus

An earthquake crack under the crucifixion site made at the time of the death of Jesus

Blood of Jesus, which dripped down this crack onto the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located in a chamber directly beneath the cross



Wyatt's Theology

Although in many of his public presentations Wyatt did not emphasize his personal theological underpinnings, he was in fact a devoted Seventh Day Adventist. Many of his "conclusions" about the results of his efforts were based on SDA theology, and specifically the alleged visions and teachings of Ellen G White. White has historically been viewed by the SDA denomination as the only modern "prophet," whose prophetic ministry validated the identity of their organization as the Remnant True Church. [For details on the claims of the SDA denomination and their prophetess EG White, see the Profile of Seventh Day Adventism elsewhere on this Field Guide site.] When sharing the news of his exploits with SDA audiences, Wyatt emphasized the spiritual, doctrinal and prophetic implications of his alleged finds. But when sharing those same finds with non-SDA audiences, he emphasized the value of archaeological validation of Bible facts. Still, one of his avowed ultimate goals was to eventually persuade people to accept the claims of Seventh Day Adventism, and he believed that the combination of evidence he gathered would ultimately lead to that goal.



Many of Wyatt's claims have been challenged by numerous investigators, including archaeologists, scientists, Bible teachers and commentators, Israeli officials, and others with an interest in establishing or refuting those claims.

Wyatt and his promoters have, in general, refused to answer the questions raised by such detractors. Instead, they have most often chosen to address the questions in general by calling into question the sincerity or honesty of the questioner. They have typically done this by categorizing these individuals into several groups, all implied to have less than honest and reasonable causes for their attempts to refute Wyatt's claims:

Atheists who don't want to admit the truth of the Bible

Disgruntled rival archaeologists looking for glory for themselves

Religious people who disagree with Wyatt's theology and thus his conclusions about the significance of some of his "finds"

Disgruntled religious people who resent that the glory for discovery is going to a Seventh Day Adventist, rather than "one of their own"

In addition, Wyatt claimed in a number of instances that he could not reveal certain facts and evidence that would substantiate some of his claims because he was privately asked--or ordered--by unnamed Israeli authorities to withhold that information as it was believed to be "dangerous" for Israeli security.



Adapting to the Audience

The claims listed above are typical of those that Wyatt's promoters make in lectures and videos made for the general public. What is often missing are the somewhat more "supernatural" claims. These are reserved for unabashedly "religious" audiences … and some of them for particularly Seventh Day Adventist audiences.

For Wyatt claimed that many of his finds have been related to direct, divine intervention rather than standard archaeological methods. And he has claimed at times during his activities in the Middle East to have had direct visitations from both angels and Jesus Christ himself--in person, not "vision."

In addition, he claimed in relation to his alleged discovery of the Ark of the Covenant and the Ten Commandment stones that the stones would be "brought out" for the world to see in fulfillment of "end time prophecy" as it is taught by the Seventh Day Adventist denomination. When not directed to a strictly SDA audience, this prophetic scenario was couched by Wyatt (and now by his successors) in quite general terms, which might be accepted by many non-SDA Christians. The scenario indicates that some day in the very near future, the Anti-Christ and his system will take over rule of the world. He will impose the "Mark of the Beast" on everyone, except those brave Saints who refuse to accept that mark and are willing to be martyred instead. And at that point the Ten Commandment stones will be brought out as a witness to the world of the True Religion.

What Wyatt's promoters seldom mention openly in such public gatherings is that Wyatt (as all loyal SDA members) believed that the Mark of the Beast is "Sunday-keeping."



The Allure

Research in many fields, from language studies to anthropology, during the past 100 years has brought many confirmations of the accuracy and dependability of the Bible as it relates to human history. Still, many events, places, people and objects described in the Bible are not corroborated by any external written documents or physical evidence. Many Christians find themselves at a disadvantage when trying to share their beliefs about the Bible with non-believers. So much in their belief system must, ultimately, rely on "faith" that the Bible's claims are true. Thus the notion that there might be real, tangible "proof" of some of the most exciting portions of the Bible can be exhilarating.

The materials put out by Ron Wyatt's promoters, especially the videos, are designed to sweep the viewer along to an almost inescapable conclusion that here, at last, is the hard evidence so many have so long sought. When you can "see it with your own eyes" on tape, it is very difficult to even worry about the fact that the tape may not be sharing "the whole story" about some of the evidence offered. Promotional ads for the tapes and lectures emphasize wildly enthusiastic hype about what to expect, and it is no doubt difficult to be in an audience of wide-eyed fellow Christians and not be swept along by the zeal and excitement.

From a one-minute spot radio ad for a lecture by Wyatt associate Richard Rives:

Hold in your own hand pieces of brimstone from Sodom and Gomorrah…

Learn of the conspiracy to conceal the truth about the prophetic significance of the Ark of the Covenant and its contents.

Who doesn't love to be "in with the in crowd" who know all about the latest conspiracy theory, whether it's about the death of JFK or Princess Di, or about the government cover-up of UFOs? The huge sales of supermarket checkout Tabloid Newspapers show how fascinating this kind of hype is in the secular world. And in recent years, this same kind of use of sensational headlines and allegations of nefarious cover-ups has been used by Ron Wyatt and others to appeal to Christian audiences.

Concerns

Science Vs Ron Wyatt

Ron Wyatt was neither a professional archaeologist nor a specialist in any scientific field that would help him in evaluating the sites and items he claimed to have found. He was a nurse-anesthetist by trade, embarking on amateur archaeological expeditions as time and finances permitted. This amateur status certainly does not preclude the possibility that he could have found many interesting items in his travels. What it does indicate is that he was not necessarily equipped to subject his speculations about sites and objects to rigorous scientific scrutiny. In the opinion of many who have investigated his claims, his speculations were often based on not much more than wishful thinking and scientific misconceptions. But once he had settled on a conclusion about what he had found, and had begun sharing those findings with the public, he and his supporters seemed extremely hostile and unreceptive to any questions about the accuracy of the scientific documentation that would have substantiated those finds. As Wyatt promoter Bill Fry puts it on the Anchorstone website …

He believed in the sciences but felt that often the scientist could not see past his own education and "think out of the box". He was concerned that today too many of us let the "people of letters" do our thinking for us.

For this reason Ron never relied on scientists or professionals to confirm his work. He employed scientific testing and then presented the results along with the biblical, historical, archaeological and scientific evidence in the belief that each person was capable of making their own decision.

The problem with this reasoning is that Wyatt did claim to use "scientific testing." And it is the scientific validity of that testing which is often the source of questions about Wyatt's claims. The "belief that each person was capable" denies the reality that the average person is utterly unequipped to evaluate Wyatt's claims in a vacuum. It is only when those claims are challenged by alternative scientific information that the average person would have the slightest clue that Wyatt's claims might even be questionable. It would appear that Wyatt's promoters extensively rely upon the fact that most audiences for videos, lectures and articles about Wyatt's claims seldom come into contact with any "contrary" information about those claims. It has only been with the advent of the Internet that the average person has access to do meaningful comparison between the claims of Wyatt and the alternative explanations and evaluation of his critics. Unfortunately, a significant proportion of those who come under the influence of Wyatt's claims are so enamored of them … as "proof of the Bible" … that they may reject out of hand any contrary information as being "critical of the claims of the Bible."

This notion is reinforced by the efforts of Wyatt's supporters to categorize his critics as falling into the types mentioned in the "Claims" section above. But close examination of these categories shows that they are not persuasive:



Categorizing the Critics?

Most atheists would not bother to refute the details of Wyatt's claims, as they would dismiss him out of hand as a crackpot. The reality is that the vast majority of websites addressing the claims critically appear to be sponsored by Bible-believing Christians.

While there may indeed be some rivalries among amateur archaeologists such as Wyatt, most professional archaeologists have found so many discrepancies in Wyatt's claims that they do not appear to take him seriously at all.

Religious people critiquing Wyatt's claims who disagree with his theology seem to be able to distinguish between the two issues of scientific validity and theological orthodoxy. It would be possible, for instance, to believe that he actually had found the Ark of the Covenant if he provided any tangible evidence for the claim, and yet still disagree with his assertions about the theological significance of the find. It would appear from the variety of websites about the claims of Wyatt on the Internet that the majority of those offering criticism are Bible-believers who would be happy to see the Biblical accounts validated by solid evidence from archaeological finds. They are just not persuaded that Ron Wyatt has indeed found such evidence.

The most effective and thorough investigation of Wyatt's claims was not compiled into a book by anyone from a "rival religious group" … but rather by two men who are themselves dedicated SDA members. See the Bibliography at the bottom of this webpage for Holy Relics or Revelation by Russell and Colin Standish.



As for the excuse that a certain amount of his evidence and facts had to be withheld at the request of authorities in Israel--a number of Israeli authorities have categorically denied that such restraints were put on Wyatt. And at least one such authority publicly challenged Wyatt on the Internet to go ahead and make available the evidence he claimed was "classified."

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Zias.html

Wyatt offered so many excuses over the years for why he could not provide the public with any really substantial evidence to support many of his claims that it is necessary to believe in a massive conspiracy and cover-up by hundreds of unrelated people around the world in order to accept Wyatt's claims.



Getting the Stories Straight

Another area of concern regarding Wyatt's claims involves the varying and sometimes conflicting reports about the details of his adventures. For instance, Mary Nell Wyatt, Ron Wyatt's wife, wrote a long, detailed description of the whole saga of the discovery of the chamber with the Ark of the Covenant. It is posted as an official record on the Wyatt Archaeological Research website. In this elaborate telling of the events, there is no mention of angels.

http://www.wyattnewsletters.com/ArkCov/search.htm

Yet in a description written 5/16/2000 regarding the same saga and time period on a rival "Wyatt Discoveries" site, Anchorstone.com, Wyatt associate Bill Fry goes into elaborate detail about Wyatt's claims that he saw four angels in the chamber. He said that they "cleaned up" the chamber and set out the Temple artifacts, that they removed the cover of the Ark exposing the Ten Commandment stones, that he was told by one of them to take out those stones, and that he discussed with that same angel a number of times how he should deal with the discovery.

http://www.anchorstone.com/aoc_update05.html

Why the discrepancy? Fry's article is not the only source of information about Wyatt's angelic encounters. A number of websites include transcriptions of talks Wyatt gave at SDA meetings over the years in which he acknowledged the angelic stories. Here is one sample, an excerpt from a transcript of a sermon given by Wyatt in New Zealand 2/13/99:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/Talk2-13-99.htm

Now this chamber where the Ark of the Covenant was placed - that is the temple of God on this earth. The Ark of the Covenant is His earthly throne. And although the Shekinah glory is not present there any longer, it has not been abandoned. The four angels that were placed on duty at the time the 10 commandments were put in the ark [4 S.G. p.102] are still there. That chamber has been cleaned out. All the furnishings of the tabernacle (of the temple - which were the same) are set in perfect order. The only difference is that the Ark of the Covenant is sitting against the end of the chamber wall. The staves have been removed. And to my understanding that means it's not going to ever be moved again. And behind the Ark of the Covenant is a beautiful wall of transparent crystal, glass, or something and the colors of the rainbow are radiating out above the earthly throne of God. I haven't seen the one in heaven but I know it's described as a rainbow over it.

The following comment on the revelation to the world of the Ark of the Covenant is part of the FAQ page of the Anchorstone: Wyatt Archaeological Discoveries website as of 7/1/2003.

http://www.anchorstone.com/aoc_faq.html

When will the Ark be revealed to the world?

We get a lot of pressure from various people about this question but it is God that will dictate the timing of the revealing of the Ark of the Covenant and the tables of stone to the world. No man will make that decision. The timing of that revelation has been revealed to Ron Wyatt. However that revelation will be associated with certain events, not a specific date or time.

The time of the revealing of the Ark is not scheduled to coincide with any dedication or building of a temple or anything associated with it. However, there is an event that will be the signal for Ron to bring out the tables of stone from the place where they have been hidden for over 2500 years. That event will be when man's law forces a form of worship upon people that is contrary to God's law.

The obvious problem with this statement is that Ron Wyatt has been dead since 1999. So how will it be possible for him to "bring out the tables of stone"?

Kevin Fisher, on the Arkdiscovery.com website offers his speculation on how to reconcile this problem. Fisher quotes the 5/16/2000 material above by Fry, and inserts a bracketed comment of his own:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/ark_of_cov_,_pt__2.htm

Fry had written …

"He [the angel in the chamber] then walked back over to Ron and told him two things. The first was that if Ron remained faithful, he would have a part in bringing out the tables of stone so that they might be put on display. The second was that the Ark was not to be revealed to the world or the tables of stone put on display until shortly after a law was passed that would attempt to enforce the mark of the beast upon people."

Fisher speculates:

This statement by the angel is most interesting in that Ron died on August 4, 1999. If "he was to have a part in bringing out the tables of stone," what did the angel mean? There are two possibilities. One is that Ron would have to be resurrected to do this, the other is that the angel meant that Ron's work in finding the ark (his part) would be brought to light when the tables would be put on display. Only the first one is really feasible to me, for the angel said that "if he remained faithful he would have a part." Now Ron was faithful to the end of his life, therefore, the second possibility is not applicable, for they will be brought out whether Ron was faithful or not. Time will tell.

The second part of the angel's comment "that the Ark was not to be revealed to the world or the tables of stone put on display until shortly after a law was passed that would attempt to enforce the mark of the beast upon people." If Ron is to be raised up to be a part of this scenario, this means that it would have to be at the time of the first Sunday law. The angel said that the tables of stone would be put "on display SHORTLY AFTER a law was passed that would attempt to enforce the mark of the beast upon people."

Shortly there will follow a death decree against all true Sabbath keepers and the time described as the time of Jacob's trouble would commence. This ends in the deliverance of the saints who refuse to receive the mark of the beast by keeping Sunday. At that time we are told by Ellen White, all those since 1844 who died keeping the third angel's message will be raised from their graves with their immortal bodies. This would of necessity be after the time of Jacob's trouble and at the time of the deliverance of the saints from the death penalty connected with the Sunday law and the mark of the beast. Thus if Ron is to have a part in the bringing out of the tables of stone, It seems like it would have to happen before the first resurrection of the saints after the death decree is issued. This would mean that he is to be raised before the others are raised. Again, time will tell!

References to Wyatt's angelic encounters appear on sites in a number of places on the Internet. So why would Mary Nell Wyatt leave out such astounding information from her official account of the events?

Examination of the Claims and Concerns

The Major Archaeological Claims

Click on the following link to go to a detailed Field Guide overview of the claims by Ron Wyatt and his supporters for his discovery Noah's Ark.

The "Real" Noah's Ark

Supernatural claims of Ron Wyatt and his promoters

Many of those who have only seen a video, perhaps even made by a commercial TV network, about Wyatt's alleged discovery of Noah's Ark may be totally unaware of the numerous claims Wyatt made about supernatural incidents that happened throughout his career, including visits and discussions with angels and Jesus Christ. For an examination of these claims, to go to the following Field Guide article.

Overview of the Supernatural Claims Made for the Work of Ron Wyatt.

Other Claims

It is beyond the purpose and scope of this Overview of Wyatt's work to examine every single claim that he made. The documentation that is included should be enough to convince the average reader that many of Wyatt's claims need to be investigated through material outside of that published by his promoters before accepting the claims as "proven".

See the Documentation section at the end of this webpage for links to a number of websites which do a thorough job of examining and evaluating Wyatt's claims regarding the following, and much more:

The location of the Biblical Mt. Sinai

The location where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea

The underwater remains of Pharoah's army

In addition, the book Holy Relics and Revelation (see Bibliography entry at the end of this webpage) provides considerable careful and persuasive documentation on the challenges to these and other claims.

Players

Major outreach efforts currently promoting the claims of Wyatt



Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR) : "official" organization carrying on the Wyatt projects

Wyatt's wife, Mary Nell Wyatt, endorses and works directly with WAR.

Long-time Wyatt associate Richard Rives is the President of WAR.

WAR spreads information regarding the alleged discoveries of Ron Wyatt on the web via several domain names. It's primary website is:

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/

Introductory comments:

You have reached the official source of all information that is found on the internet concerning the discoveries of Ron Wyatt: presented by Richard Rives, President of Wyatt Archaeological Research and subject to the unanimous approval of the Board of Directors, Wyatt Archaeological Research.



Mary Nell Wyatt had the following to say about Richard Rives:

http://www.wyattmuseum.com/meetings.htm

"Ron used to say that Christians must have a burden for souls. When Ron passed away, there was only one man to step into his shoes, a man who also possessed a true burden for souls. Richard Rives worked closely with Ron on the archaeological research and field work in Turkey, Egypt and Israel from 1990 until Ron’s death in 1999. Richard Rives has devoted his life to the work that God has given him- to get the knowledge of the archaeological evidences that have been given to mankind for these last days to the public, along with the message of salvation and truth. A man of endless energy, integrity and enthusiasm for the work, Richard also possesses a boldness for proclaiming God’s truth that must surely rival that of the Apostles and the early Christians."

HOWEVER--Not all supporters of the claims of Ron Wyatt are so enthusiastic about Rives. It appears that after Wyatt's death, a major split occurred between the official WAR group and the majority of other outreaches that had previously cooperated with WAR during Wyatt's lifetime. See Kevin Fisher's comments below.



Arkdiscovery.com: Web presence of Kevin Fisher, president of a non-profit organization called Voice of Truth, Inc., Johnson City, Tennessee.

Kevin Fisher comments on the rivalry among Wyatt promoters after the death of Ron Wyatt in 1999:

Excerpt from: "Position on WAR" (Wyatt Archaeological Research)

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/war.htm

Before Ron died, he stated to fellow supporters that God had not impressed him to choose a successor to his position as president, and thus remained quiet on the issue. A WAR board meeting was held shortly after Ron’s death, where Mary Nell asked that Richard Rives be appointed president, because she assumed Ron would want Richard in that position.

Mr. Rives, representing WAR, then pursued an aggressive policy of threatening associates who had worked with Ron for years, or who had been promoting the discoveries independently. These included among others Jonathan Gray (surprising discoveries), Jim Pinkoski (pinkoski.com), Bill Fry (anchorstone.com), etc. WAR threatened them with lawsuits if they did not cease from using Ron’s photos and newsletters. Jim Pinkoski had operated Ron's first museum in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, drawn numerous illustrations for Ron, and was an active advocate of the discoveries. Mr. Fry had in his possession, a signed statement from Ron giving him authorization to use any of the photos and newsletters, but the new WAR refused to acknowledge this. Before Ron's death, more than 50 percent of all sales generated through the website operated by Mr. Fry and Anchor Stone, was donated to WAR, but this was not acceptable to the new board. Apparently after losing Ron and his outside income to support the ministry, a financial crisis was foreseen, thus an aggressive policy was pursued to hamper others from selling videos or books which contained any of Ron’s photos or newsletters.

Elsewhere on the Arkdiscovery site Fisher notes:

There are many negative statements on the Internet concerning Ron Wyatt. They are untrue and are part of Satan's attack on the discoveries of God. By attacking the man, the authenticity of the discoveries is then compromised.

There are no doubt some statements on the Internet which shed a negative light on Ron Wyatt. But careful examination of many of them would seem to indicate that it is the question of the "authenticity of the discoveries" that puts Wyatt in that negative light, not the other way around. If Wyatt and his promoters had provided legitimate documentation all along to establish that authenticity, then the light on Wyatt would be positive.



Anchorstone.com: Website of former Wyatt associate Bill Fry. It can also be reached by using ronwyatt.com .

http://www.anchorstone.com

http://www.ronwyatt.com

Introductory comments to the site:

The Anchor Stone web site was one of the first established (April 1997) to feature Ron's Discoveries. It is the oldest remaining web site that contains virtually all of the material and newsletters he released during his lifetime.

From the beginning it was started with Ron's full approval and cooperation. We believe it contains the best and most accurate information on his work. We are constantly updating our material. It has become our goal to continue Ron's work and to conduct it in the same spirit he did.

Description of Bill Fry from the site:

Internationally known speaker Bill Fry has been sharing these discoveries around the world for over 5 years. Bill was a personal friend of the late Ron Wyatt, worked with him on several projects and has continued his work since 1999.



Pinkoski.com: Website of Jim Pinkoski, curator of Wyatt's first museum, illustrator for a number of Wyatt's publications, created the official picture of the Ark of the Covenant according to the description given by Wyatt, used on some of the Wyatt literature.

http://www.pinkoski.com

From the introduction to the site:

Welcome to the one and only website on the Internet that contains an extensive "behind the scenes" look at the museums and work of the late Ron Wyatt! I met Ron Wyatt in 1989 and worked with him for 10 years -- I am an artist and a Christian, and to a large degree this website contains my own personal testimony of my involvement with Ron Wyatt's extremely important Biblical archaeological discoveries. I believe it is important for those of us who worked with Ron to step forward and carry on his work.

This website contains around 300 of my own personal photos!



Surprisingdiscoveries.com: Website of Jonathan Gray, Australian associate and major promoter of Ron Wyatt in Australia and New Zealand both before and after Wyatt's death.

http://www.surprisingdiscoveries.com



Updates on the feuding between WAR and others promoting Wyatt's discoveries.

Excerpt from 9/5/2001 Anchorstone newsletter update (posted on Arkdiscovery.com)

QUESTIONS ABOUT EXODUS VIDEO

Speaking of Ron Wyatt's "Discoveries" getting national air time, a video has recently been produced on the Exodus and the Red Sea crossing site. This was a project by Dr. Lennart Moeller of Sweden. This video is being distributed internationally by Campus Crusade for Christ and other affiliated organizations. In my opinion it is the best work on this subject that I have seen to date. However some of you have contacted me about why Ron Wyatt was not given any credit on this video. In fact his name is not even mentioned. Since so many are asking I need to tell you the story behind this. First of all I want to say that Dr. Moeller consulted with Ron on gathering the information for this video and Ron worked cooperatively with him giving him photos and video to use. The fact that Ron is not given any credit is not Dr. Moeller's fault. In fact, when the video was first being edited Ron was to receive mention several times in the video as well as the credits. However, the leadership of Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR) contacted Dr. Moeller and the production company (after Ron's death) and told them that they had decided that since they had no control over this video that they would not allow Ron's name or WAR to be mentioned at all. WAR also withdrew their permission for them to use any video clips or photos of Ron's even though this was Ron's intention. This created a situation where the video had to reedited so that all references to Ron and his work was removed. In watching the video one is left with the distinct impression that Dr. Moeller and company is attempting to take credit for this discovery. But that is not the case. They are simply following the request of Ron's old organization which is another reflection of their continuing problems. Therefore, Ron's dream of having this "Discovery" distributed to millions has been tainted. While I am thankful that the information will get out through this well-done video, Ron will not get any credit at all. The only allusion to anything pertaining to Ron Wyatt is in the credits where one of the WAR board members is thanked for his personal "help" in contributing to this video and "Mary Nell Wyatt, Spring Hill, TN" is mentioned in passing. What a sad situation.

6/6/2003

http://anchorstone.com/aoc_update07.html

Bill Fry questions the decision by WAR to begin excavations related to the Ark of the Covenant again. Fry shares what he evidently intends to be viewed as "confidential" information Wyatt gave him before his death, which he believes to warn that any attempt to do what WAR claims it plans to do could lead to disaster for those involved.



Who's Who of Ron Wyatt's World

Trying to sort through the conflicting claims of Ron Wyatt and his promoters, and the critiques and criticism of his detractors, can be a complicated task. Trying to keep track of the names of various "Israeli authorities," amateur and professional archaeologists, scientists, authors, rivals, and associates whose paths crossed Wyatt's during the years of his expeditions can easily lead to confusion.

Click here to go to a Who's Who in the World of Ron Wyatt that provides a brief description of a number of the significant of the players in this ongoing saga.

Personal from the Webauthor

At some point in the distant past, I remember hearing the name of Ron Wyatt. But it was only in passing, and I never saw any videos or read any material by him. The first time his claims were actually presented to me forcefully was at a five hour "Rood Awakening" prophetic seminar presented by Michael John Rood in 2001. [For details regarding that seminar, and information on the prophetic claims of Rood, see the profile of Michael Rood elsewhere on this Field Guide website.] Much of Rood's presentation that night consisted of slides regarding a number of Wyatt's alleged findings. A significant proportion of Rood's own prophetic speculations seemed to be very dependent on the validity of Wyatt's claims.

Rood brought up the fact that he was aware that some had questioned Wyatt's claims, but bombastically declared that his audience ought to pay absolutely no attention to such doubters. He particularly indicated that the primary reason that some were criticizing the claims was that the critics were not from Wyatt's religious background (he didn't clarify what that was) and thus they were jealous that he wasn't "one of their own."

At that point in time, I had been looking into Michael John Rood's own very controversial prophetic claims for some time, and found much that troubled me. I therefore was very curious to know if all of the material Rood was pushing that night about Wyatt's astounding finds was really substantiated by documentation and scientific verification.

Rood evidently has made the same sort of defense of Wyatt's claims in other seminars. Here is a quote from an audio tape available from his ministry, "In Everything Give Thanks: An Introduction to Archaeology."

If any of you are aware of any of the disparaging works or comments that have been written about any of his [Wyatt's] discoveries, I have seen them all and I have researched them all. And some of them I have believed until, until digging further found that many of them were just outright lies and they were made to discredit. They were a Cain job trying to discredit his brother Abel. It's the accuser of the brethren at work to keep these things hidden.

It is highly unlikely that Rood had "seen all" of the critiques of Wyatt's work, and "researched them all." He did not give any details in this tape regarding what the answers were to the questions surrounding Wyatt's evidences, nor can any such answers be found in other material by Rood. After further investigation of Rood's claims, I have found them not credible. And after further investigation of Wyatt's claims, I have to conclude that either Rood was lying about having "researched all" of the criticisms of Wyatt's works, or he is unable to reasonably evaluate the extensive amount of contrary evidence by reputable and credible investigators.



Evaluation

Bernard Bradstater knew Ron Wyatt personally and accompanied him on one of the archaeological projects aimed at taking others to see the alleged Ark of the Covenant hiding place. He provides a candid perspective on Wyatt's methods in ARCHEOLOGY WITH RON WYATT: a personal account at the following link.

http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.html

Excerpt:

Over several days we were able to excavate our way down into the same cave system that Wyatt had explored two years before. I'm sorry to report that in the end we came up empty-handed. The connecting channel through which Wyatt had claimed to see the furniture was not there. On the final day of excavation, when we could not see the internal cavern landmarks that Wyatt had predicted, Ron himself finally climbed down into the dim space. After a long time he emerged, looking confused. As we waited respectfully to hear his report, he mumbled a few words like: "It's not the same; it's changed. It's not the way I remember it." There was no opening to be seen, giving a view into an adjacent cavern. There was nothing. In the process of our digging we had come up with a few interesting little objects from Roman times, but they were irrelevant to our main goal.

Our team was disappointed, puzzled, disillusioned. We had enjoyed ten days of close fellowship, with daily shared prayer times, and an excited anticipation of momentous events just before us. Now all those hopes came crashing down. And sadly, Wyatt was not man enough to come clean, to apologize for bringing us on a wild goose chase, or to attempt any kind of explanation. We kept expecting some sort of statement, but he just remained silent, withdrawn. And we were too stunned, and perhaps too sorry for him in his confusion, to demand that he explain.

To this day I cannot give a rational account for the extreme misguidedness that Wyatt revealed. What was happening in his head? His participation in our group worship times had left all of us in no doubt about his sincerity and his devotion to Scripture. He was a competent Bible scholar. He was a brother. Yet he had misled us terribly, and had offered no words of regret or apology or explanation. I have reviewed the whole story many times since then, and am convinced that the church administrator was right: Wyatt might be mistaken, but he himself believed that what he had originally shared was true.

From medical school I remember hearing of a rare state of mind, with a long Latin name, that led its victims to concoct marvelously detailed accounts of events that were pure fabrications, yet which the story-teller himself had come to believe were absolutely true. I am inclined to believe that Wyatt was a florid example of this disorder. He was not a deliberate liar, a fraud. And some of his observations had merit. But I am convinced that some of his "discoveries" were matters which underwent transcription in his mind, and he came to believe as true certain ideas and observations that in fact were his own inventions.



Few people, even the most skeptical regarding Wyatt's more controversial claims, have been willing to label the man an outright charlatan and fraud. Many testify, just as Bradstater does above, to Wyatt's sincerity, devotion to God, zeal for the Bible, and dedication to what he believed to be his calling. Perhaps, after all, Bradstater is correct in evaluating the cause of the incredible record of discrepancies in Wyatt's career.

The history of religious movements for centuries has been overflowing with just such men and women … with charisma and enthusiasm so great that they are able to sweep many otherwise sensible people along into believing their own delusions.



Documentation

PLEASE NOTE: Inclusion of links to the following websites is not a blanket endorsement by the author of this Field Guide profile of all of the material on these websites. It is, rather, an indication that the investigation and commentary on these websites specifically regarding the claims of Ron Wyatt appear to be carefully documented and soundly reasoned.



The following link is to the Answers In Genesis website documentation regarding Wyatt's Noah's Ark claims. This website is specifically aimed at proving and promoting the Biblical account of Creation, and would be expected to be enthusiastic about any real "proof" for any of the material in the Book of Genesis.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1154.asp

The article on this webpage investigates in detail Wyatt's claims about Noah's Ark. The following is the introduction to the article.

Spectacular claims, a misleading video, people misquoted and misrepresented … It’s no wonder many have asked the question …

Could this be Noah’s Ark? by Andrew Snelling
First published in: Creation Ex Nihilo 14(4):26–38 September–November 1992

No matter where you live, if you haven’t already heard about it, the promoters and the media have been making sure you will. What then is the massive boat-shaped formation which rests at 6,300 feet above sea level in Eastern Turkey, about 12–15 miles (15–24 kilometres) from the summit of Greater Mount Ararat?

The Main Claims at a Glance

True/False?

Radar shows man-made (boat) structure..........FALSE

There is a regular metallic pattern............FALSE

Lab tests show petrified laminated wood........FALSE

Turkish scientists found metal rods............FALSE

Metal artefacts have been proved by lab........FALSE

There are 'ship's ribs' showing................FALSE

There is lots of petrified wood................FALSE

Turkish Commission says 'it's a boat...........FALSE



A Great Christian Scam, article by Gary Amirault of the Tentmaker website, challenging Ron Wyatt's claims regarding the Noah's Ark discovery. The author of this material is a Biblical literalist, and would be expected to be enthusiastic about endorsing and promoting substantiated claims of discovery of items which would authenticate the Biblical accounts.

http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7-AGreatChristianScam.html

After publication of the article linked above, Ron Wyatt's Wyatt Archaeological Research organization challenged Amirault's facts. As a result, Amirault created a page on his website titled:

Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation page:

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/index.html

Here are the introductory comments from that page:

Since the magazine "Dew from Mount Hermon" published the article "A Great Christian Scam" exposing the so-called discoveries of Ron Wyatt as nothing more than a great hoax perpetrated upon the Christian community for money and fame, Joel Davenport, the manager of WAR's Internet site has published an article located at their web site accusing me, Gary Amirault, of not telling the truth. In the article I did not disclose the names of my sources since the article only went to a few hundred subscribers who trusted my reporting. I didn't feel providing names and addresses was necessary. But since Mr. Davenport's extremely distorted assessment of the accuracy of "A Great Christian Scam," and since WAR and associates are continuing to defraud the Christian community by selling videos, books, speaking engagements, trips to Israel, enticing investors in further digs, etc., all based upon discoveries which were never made, I feel it is time to lay out enough evidence to make it perfectly clear to any sane individual that we are dealing here with nothing short of an outright scam.

I have telephone interviewed most of the people on WAR's Noah's Ark video. Not one single person I spoke with on that video presently believes that Ron Wyatt's site is Noah's Ark. Some are outraged that Wyatt is still using film clips which make them look like they are substantiating Wyatt's claims when, in fact, the opposite is the case. Listed below are some of the individuals who appear on the video. Compare the story WAR continues to sell with the actual words written by the scientists after doing extensive research on the site. They no longer believe it is Noah's Ark. They believe it is a natural geological formation. As to the so-called discoveries on Ron Wyatt's video entitled "Presentation of Discoveries," those interviewed whom Ron Wyatt presented with his "facts" put little or no archaeological value on any of the material. "Fraud" was the word most often used when discussing these so-called discoveries. Read the letters from archaeologists within Ron Wyatt's own denomination, Seventh Day Adventist, and you will see that even those who would have an interest in substantiating Ron Wyatt's claims find little or no scientific evidence to support any of these discoveries.



David Merling, SDA archaeologist, has created a site which goes into detailed evaluation of some of Wyatt's claims. Here are his introductory comments:

http://www2.andrews.edu/~merling/

Since 1986 I have been employed by Andrews University as an archaeologist. I have a Ph.D. in archaeology and teach Old Testament, ancient history and archaeological classes. As the administrative, associate director of the Institute of archaeology, I am also the curator of the Horn Archaeological Museum and the Co-director (with Dr. Randall Younker, the Institute of Archaeology director) of the Tell Jalul, Jordan Excavations. I have traveled extensively in the Middle East, conducting excavations , leading tours and visiting archaeological sites

Since I have been an archaeologist, I am often asked the same, few questions over and over again. Due to the frequency of these questions, to provide easy access to lay readers, and to use a medium that can easily updated with new information, I have created this web site.

Of particular interest would be his evaluation of the Noah's Ark claims, and then, at the end of that material, a useful list of seven "Guidelines for Evaluating Claims:

http://www2.andrews.edu/~merling/newpage21.htm

Guidelines for Evaluating Claims

The Institute of Archaeology at Andrews University regularly receives letters from those who make claims of discoveries. For example, during the last few years several individuals have claimed they know exactly where the ark of the covenant is located--all proposing different places! Yet, all are positive as to its whereabouts. Sometimes these individuals claim that they have been divinely led in their discoveries, and occasionally, they even warn us that if we fail to help it may lead to God's disapproval. The following guidelines are useful in evaluating claims of discovery.



Other sources of information "Pro" and "Con" regarding the claims of Ron Wyatt



CON

Institute for Creation Research (ICR)

Links to FAQs on Wyatt's research

http://www.icr.org/faqs/sgp53.html



David Fasold's recantation of his former support of Wyatt's claims

http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html



NoahsArkSearch.com

Ongoing research regarding various proposed sites for "the real Noah's Ark". Includes separate descriptions, documentation and evaluation of the claims of Wyatt and others.

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/index.htm

The article regarding the Durupinar ark site on this webpage has a large collection of links to webpages for and against Wyatt's claims

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/durupinar.htm



PRO

Bill Fry's comments shortly after death of Wyatt

http://www.biblerevelations.org/afewwords.htm



Jim Pinkoski's attempt to refute the Standish book

http://www.pinkoski.com/holyrelics.html



Bibliography

The definitive work examining the claims of Ron Wyatt is:

Holy Relics or Revelation--
Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated

Standish, Russell R. and Colin D.
Hartland Publications, Rapidan VA
© 1999

Seventh Day Adventist authors Russell and Colin Standish examine the claims of Ron Wyatt methodically and carefully. And they include extensive documentation and quotations from first-hand sources, including Israeli authorities, scientists from a number of disciplines, people who had worked directly with Wyatt, and more.

The 300 page paperback book is available for order via the web at

http://www.hartlandpublications.com/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?51X311787





Unless otherwise noted, all original material on this Field Guide website
is © 2001-2006 by Pam Dewey.

Careful effort has been made to give credit as clearly as possible to any specific material quoted or ideas extensively adapted from any one resource. Corrections and clarifications regarding citations for any source material are welcome, and will be promptly added to any sections which are found to be inadequately documented as to source.

Bobbye answered on 03/24/07:

Ronnie, are you back? LOL
~~~~~

BTW, a post doesn't have to be eternal to be everlasting. However, great info. I'm going to copy and paste into my wordprocessing documents to digest bit by bit -- particularly the part re "Blood of Jesus, which dripped down this crack onto the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located in a chamber directly beneath the cross."

I heard a sermon recently that included thie above-referred-to item. However, I believe Hebrews 9:12-14, whereby Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies (to sprinkle His own blood on the Mercy Seat in the original Tabernacle in Heaven, which is mentioned in Hebrews), BY THE ETERNAL SPIRIT; rather than the above sufficing as the event whereby Jesus' blood was sprinkled on the Mercy Seat in the Ark of the Covenant by the "dripping" down a crack onto the Mercy Seat -- located beneath The Cross on the ridge of Mt. Moriah.

I CONTINUE TO STUDY AND RESEARCH THE ABOVE!

Great to have you back.

Bobbye



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tropicalstorm asked on 03/14/07 - my ex mother in law

I am going to see my ex mother in law tomorrow they are removing her breathing tube tomorrow and she decided she doesn't want a tube in her throat to keep her breathing. The upper part of her throat is pretty much collapsed. She will most likely die since she can only take about 30 breaths a minute on her own. She would be okay and able to go home if she would take the tube. She does have other medical problems like advanced diabetes and I kind of think she is tired of living with her medical problems. I don't know if I should just visit or try and convince her to have the breathing tube.

Bobbye answered on 03/14/07:

You and she are in my prayers. What a decision!

Are you the only one to assist with such a decision or will there be other family members? If so, you'll probably be out-voted whatever decision you make.

I have confidence that you will do what you think is best for her. She's blessed to have you in her corner.

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 03/14/07 - Why do some people not believe in the Holocaust?

WARSAW, Poland -
A 97-year-old woman credited with saving 2,500 Jewish children during the Holocaust was honored by parliament Wednesday at a ceremony during which Poland's president said she deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

Irena Sendler, who lives in a nursing home in Warsaw, was too frail to attend the special session in which members of the Senate unanimously approved a resolution honoring her and the Polish underground Council for Assisting Jews.

The group's members, mostly Roman Catholics, risked their own lives to save Jews from the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Poland.

Sendler was cited for organizing the "rescue of the most defenseless victims of the Nazi ideology — the Jewish children."

President Lech Kacyzinski said in an address to senators that Sendler is a "great hero who can be justly named for the Nobel Peace Prize."

"Every child saved with my help and the help of all the wonderful secret messengers, who today are no longer living, is the justification of my existence on this Earth, and not a title to glory," Sendler said in a letter read by Elzbieta Ficowska, who was saved by Sendler as a baby. "Over a half-century has passed since the hell of the Holocaust, but its specter still hangs over the world and doesn't allow us to forget the tragedy."

Sendler led about 20 helpers who smuggled Jewish children out of the Warsaw Ghetto to safety between 1940 and 1943, placing them in Polish families, convents or orphanages.

She wrote the children's names on slips of paper and buried them in jars in a neighbor's yard as a record that could help locate their parents after the war. The Nazis arrested her in 1943, but she refused — despite repeated torture — to reveal their names.

Anyone caught helping Jews in Nazi-occupied Poland risked being summarily shot, along with family members.

"I think she's a great lady, very courageous, and I think she's a model for the whole international community," Israeli Ambassador David Peleg said after the ceremony. "I think that her courage is a very special one."

In 1965, Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial awarded Sendler one of its first medals given to people who saved Jews, the so-called "Righteous Among the Nations."

She was given the honor in 1983, after Poland's Communist authorities finally agreed to allow her to travel abroad.

Decent comments welcome!

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 03/14/07:

IGNORANCE AND BIGOTRY! Simply stated, but impossible to eradicate in any lifetime. BUT GOD!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Itsdb asked on 03/14/07 - Which is it?

Personally I had never heard of Post-abortion Stress Syndrome, though I have witnessed those with all the symptoms. Ms. Magazine says:

    Post-abortion stress syndrome" — PASS or PAS — sounds scientific, but don't be fooled — it's a made-up term. Not recognized as an official syndrome or diagnosis by the American Psychiatric Association , the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority, it is a bogus affliction invented by the religious right. Those who claim its existence define it loosely as a raft of emotional problems that they say women suffer after having an abortion — nightmares, feelings of guilt, even suicidal tendencies — and compare it to post-traumatic stress disorder.


National Abortion Federation quotes Henry P. David, phD:

    "Severe psychological reactions after abortion are infrequent...[T]he number of such cases is very small, and has been characterized by former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop as 'minuscule from a public health perspective'...For the vast majority of women, an abortion will be followed by a mixture of emotions, with a predominance of positive feelings.


Planned Parenthood says:

    Some people who oppose a woman's right to make her own reproductive decisions claim that abortion often causes long-lasting emotional problems, or "post-abortion syndrome." There is no scientific proof for these claims.


Now we have Exhale, a group of "mostly" pro-choice women that have had abortions, dedicated to "meet women’s after-abortion needs, provide an alternative to politically motivated counseling agencies and create awareness that abortion, and having feelings afterward, is normal."

So this PAS is "bogus," yet we now have an organization of mostly pro-choice women dedicated to meeting those rare after abortion emotional needs. Heck, you can even send a post-abortion e-card:



I have no scientific proof other than experience. One of my best friends and my daughter had abortions, both suffered from long-lasting emotional problems stemming directly from their abortion - my daughter still does years later. Would anyone care to relate their experience in this area?

Steve

Bobbye answered on 03/14/07:

I've counseled with women who have chosen abortion over the life of a precious child. THE GUILT IS GREATER THAN STRESS!

Whatever the mother experiences -- once she has chosen abortion -- we should show mercy and compassion! Beating another human being over the head for a mistake (any mistake) is a cheap shot! Counseling, while showing mercy and grace, will HEAL!

Bobbye

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MarySusan asked on 03/14/07 - In a Terrible Quandry

I'm all upset by a situation that developed recently in my private life. I need some input for those interested in giving their opinion.

I have a new homemaker (for the last 2 weeks) that I really like. She does anything and does it in five minutes. I wanted to rearrange my living room furniture for the Spring/Summer months(I ordered two wedgewood blue throws for the old furn), take down my wall pictures sweep the floor.....it took her fifteen minutes AND SHE WASHED THE FLOOR with a combination of clorox and water!! Then, she washed my dishes, replaced burnt out light bulbs, went to the laundromat, and stopped at Mickey D's for me(:P). What a gal, of Polish descent, three young sons and her husband(Mexican) is in prison 15 to life. I really like her. On Law and Order, a person gets 15 to life for manslaughter or maybe drugs. Anyway...

My dear friend Doris once left with my laundry at one and came back at eight o'clock! NO lie!! Doris is not a hard worker, but we have a bond.

Doris is a little concerned. She called the homemaker company and told them the date she would be back to work for me. She asked me twice if she was coming back.

Pretty hard decision to make, eh???

Doris doesn't know that I need my laundry done three times a week now, the least, two times a week.

Now, I'm hoping that the new girl, Wendy, will quit and get a full time job within the next ten days.

What is your opinion???

Bobbye answered on 03/14/07:

Mary Sue, simply explain to Doris what you expect, while reinforcing the friendship/bond between the two. Once she agrees to the terms, then make your decision.

You'll know. Soak the decision in prayer and go from there!

Circumstances in life often dictate that we must forfeit a little if we hope to gain greater! I've been there with decisions re my staff: Loyalty vs. ability/decisiveness!

I'll pray with you that you make the proper decision.

Bobbye

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tropicalstorm asked on 03/14/07 - here is a good one

How do eternity and time manage to co exist?

For example, the argument people being out of the body are present with the Lord when they die and if so how is it in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I figured out the answer listening to too much
Coasttocoast with George sNoory.

Bobbye answered on 03/14/07:

Time is in the "earth realm," while Eternity is in the Spiritual realm. How can we exist in parallel (co-exist) with angels? Same explanation: one is earthly; one etheral.

BTW, Pericles had a great point until the denial of eternity.

Oh, well. Everyone will believe in eternity one day, in one state or the other. The grave is not finality of existence.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Rosekeeper asked on 03/14/07 - Women Preachers?

Peddler brought up something that is important, and needs to be straighten out, for this seems to bother storm, although, I may be wrong.

As a woman I am happy, that I am the "weaker vessel" my husbands babies me, and treats me as if I’m am gold, and I deeply appreciate that, but when he will ask me to Pray as for grace, as at Thanksgiving, some think it is silly (when I cover my head) although, that is what I do, and although, not a Moslem I will continue to obey that Laws that God wrote.

1co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

I can not understand why I see women preachers on television, when this "Scripture" is so plain and simple
In my opinion it is wrong for a woman to preach according to

1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


Although, all men should remember this scripture..
1co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

So, plain and simple, we are the complement of man, we are beautiful, we don't need to dress like the world, or adorn with big diamond rings, I see nothing wrong with that. Although, Peddler You are under Christ, as women under men, as Christ is under the Father...


What is your truthful answer to why women preach, when they know of these scriptures?

Bobbye answered on 03/14/07:

IT IS A SHAME FOR MEN TO SPEAK IN THE CHURCH -- if they are speaking during the homily, as the women were doing.
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YOUR POST:
ŕst Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
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The proper interpretation of I Corinthians 14:35 can be explained quite easily and eliminate the controversy re females.

It was customary in Bible times for the men to gather after the work/chores of the day were completed; the women and children would retire (oftentimes with the animals in the same room), while the men would gather to debate or discuss "the weightier matters," to which Jesus referred when instructing re tithing (NEW TESTAMENT!).

The men would gather much knowledge and info from those present re the interpretation of The Law; Wisdom, etc. The men, in turn, would instruct their wives, who were not privy to such meetings. Thus, "...LET THEM ASK THEIR HUSBANDS."

In the Apostle Paul's meetings the women sat on one side and the men on the other. If a theological teaching arose that the women did not understand, they would shout across the way to the husband, "What does that mean?" They were accustomed to asking the man, so it was natural to do so.
However, it was disruptive to The Apostle, as well as the congregants.

Thus, my statement: "MEN SHOULD ALSO KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCH." No one should be talking while the homily is being presented.

Simple as a-b-c. MAY THIS "WOMAN QUESTION" BE FOREVER SETTLED. If it were not for the women and children, churches would have closed centuries ago.

Also,I Cor. 11:5 was speaking concerning the long hair of the day. I won't waste time discussing long hair vs. short hair for that day. You know, I'm sure, the custom. BTW, several years ago (as a guest), I played the piano for a church that believed in "long hair" only for females. THE WOMEN WERE BEAUTIFUL! THE HAIR WAS BEAUTIFUL! I could see their point. (BTW, I'm female and wore long hair as long as age and style allowed. I still have mid-length, dark curly hair, so I see the point of the Scripture. However, we're "UNDER GRACE!" THANK GOD!)

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 03/07/07 - How many of you thought I was gone for good??????

We’ll I nearly was - twice.
Here is an update of what happened to and with me from February 9th on.
I provide this for those who are curious and as reminder that we can suddenly come to an end.
I just got home from St. James hospital this afternoon, March 7.

On Feb 9, I began to feel terrible with some stomach pain.

Bonnie took me to the emergency room at St. James Hospital. There they examined me and right away put me through a Cat scan.

That is the LAST I remember for over 2 weeks. Mentally I was somewhere in the land of the living but knew or remember none of it.

I was informed that they nearly lost me a couple of times.

I was diagnosed as having diverticulitis.

Along with that I had a bad hart attack and conditions that required I have a colostomy. One thing led to another.

I was successfully treaded as such and now have a colostomy bag attached to my stomach. My lifestyle and the ability to relieve myself has changed dramatically.

Though I just turned 74 years old there were several people in that hospital with the same (or very similar) conditions I had, several of the patients were much younger than I am.

Yes something like that can happen to just about anyone including folks like Spamming J.J.D. who apparently does not consider that a day of “owning up” and dramatic change might be tomorrow.

Even while in hospital bed I prayed for you all in hopes for the best for you with peace and kindness.


Now you are up to date about be. Obviously I have had little time to go through all the posts since I left.

In fact I do not know how much time I will have for this board for awhile. I need to get both rest and exercise. I’m surprised at how weak I am.

God bless,
Fred













Bobbye answered on 03/08/07:

Welcome home, Fred. Maggie and I were greatly concerned over your health and prayed for you. We continue to pray for you in the regaining of your health and strength.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Pericles asked on 03/03/07 - ...relationship turned sour ???? .......................



jjgoss claims "I used to have a good relationship with sapphire...I liked her Space and I often joked with her...But the relationship turned sour when she decided to join the cronies, and started to ridicule others...and since then I have lost my respects for her....."

What a nonsense !!!

jjgoss managed to turn almost everyone on this board against her intolerant, rude, moronic, and hypocrite approach.

Than she blocked her most outspoken opponents, openly lies and claims that they blocked her, and than start posting derogatory remarks about them on the board (expecting nobody will react to that).

The best ways to counter the hypocrites of the JJD group of dishonour is to just comment on people like jjgoss and JesseJamesDupree in new topics and everywhere in other topics where they posted - just to show their hypocrisy where it is most obvious.

And you can to do the same by rating comment to every reply in these two people's own topics by rating - that is if anyone reacts of course! Often it is JJD replying to jjgoss and vice versa ....

Just let them and all others see what you think of them !!! Do not miss any opportunity to do that as it irritates the hell out of them !!!

Any comments?



Bobbye answered on 03/03/07:

WHO IS "JJGOSS"? There is a reference to "her?"

Thanks.
Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 02/26/07 - Amazing Island

Surtsey Island of Fire

Bobbye answered on 02/26/07:

I was discussing something of this nature recently and folks just glared at me. THANKS FOR THE PROOF! The website is worth the click!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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jjgoss asked on 02/26/07 - ...The Bible does not teach that the earth is flat!!!...

... The flat-earth idea is a relatively recent invention that reached its peak only after Darwinists tried to discredit the Bible, according to Professor Jeffrey Russell, a professor of history at the University of California in Santa Barbara, in his book Inventing the Flat Earth....The Bible actually teaches a spherical shape for the earth. In Isaiah 40:22 God is said to sit above "the circle of the earth" (the Hebrew word for circle can also mean a sphere). Also, in Luke 17:34–36 Christ's Second Coming is portrayed as occurring while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities — which means a rotating earth with day and night at the same time..........

Bobbye answered on 02/26/07:

FLAT????? Anyone believing this needs to look at NASA's photos.

Bobbye

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Rosekeeper asked on 02/22/07 - Miricles

Can I ask this question'
Has anyone here, ever witnessed a true miracle, I have, and I know it came from Jesus, I was wondering if you have any, no need to explain, sometimes it is just up lifting to hear good things about Christ?
Thank you experts.

Bobbye answered on 02/23/07:

Many! I serve a God of Miracles! In fact, that's the title of my weekly radio broadcast.

Be blessed and keep believing in miracles!
Bobbye
BTW, I attended the stage play of "Twelve Angry Men" last week and we "just happened" to pass the stage door en route to the parking garage when out stepped "John Boy" (Richard Thomas), who gave us his autograph. He and I also spoke for a moment about his highly-successful T.V. series "It's a Miracle!"

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belle33 asked on 02/23/07 - Please give me an answer to this question.

What did Saul mean when he told jonathan :"'you have chosen David to the confusion of your mother's skirts?" (paraphased.) I thought it sounded as though David and Jonathan were lovers but was told by my sunday school class it did not mean that, but they did not know what it meant..

Bobbye answered on 02/23/07:

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JONATHAN AND SAUL'S BEING LOVERES. THAT IS FAR FROM THE TRUTH OF THAT SCRIPTURE.
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I Samuel 20:30 NASB (Zondervan): "Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, 'Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?"

"The mother" or "one who succored Jonathan" in this instance is "rebellion." (Just as "wisdom" in Proverbs is feminine.)
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FROM "THE COMPANION BIBLE (The Authorized Version of 1611): Kregel Publications.
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Re the phrase "son of a perverse, rebellious woman," THE HEBREW IDIOM INTENDS TO CHARACTERIZE JONATHAN, NOT HIS MOTHER.

Now that we have established that Jonathan's behaviour is the issue at hand, the verse simply means that "Jonathan is a rebl like his friend David: son of rebelliious perversity."

"Mother's Nakedness" is simply a metaphorical expression describing the "open rebellion" (rebellious perversity) of Jonathan and David -- as viewed by Saul.

TO REITERATE THIS VERSE: "Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, 'Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?"

I'll paraphrase for you:
"Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he (Saul) said unto Jonathan, YOU ARE A REBEL, WALKING IN REBELLION, AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN DAVID (not good news to Saul) TO AID AND ABET (encourage) YOUR REBELLION, ARISING FROM THE CONFUSED BEHAVIOUR (the mother or origin of your rebellion) THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN -- WHICH IS OBVIOUS OR OPEN (NAKED).

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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richturner asked on 02/20/07 - Definition, please

For all those debating whether or not atheism is a religion, please define religion.

Bobbye answered on 02/20/07:

How can one be called a chef if he doesn't believe in food or cooking?

RELIGION: You believe in a Deity (even the small "d's" believe in something or someone).

ATHEISM: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN A DEITY (lower case or upper case ).

'nuff said!

Bobbye

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Pericles asked on 02/20/07 - US Pastor claims to be divine ...........................


From CNN : Pastor with 666 tattoo claims to be divine

• Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, a minister, says he's God
• De Jesus preaches that there is no devil and no sin
• His church claims thousands of members in more than 30 countries

"The spirit that is in me is the same spirit that was in Jesus of Nazareth," de Jesus says.
De Jesus' claims of divinity have angered Christian leaders, who say he is a fake. Religious experts say he may be something much more dangerous, a cult leader who really believes he is God.
De Jesus says he learned he was Jesus reincarnate when he was visited in a dream by angels.
"The prophets, they spoke about me. It took me time to learn that, but I am what they were expecting, what they have been expecting for 2,000 years," de Jesus says.

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De Jesus preaches there is no devil and no sin. His followers, he says, literally can do no wrong in God's eyes.

Well whatever you think de Jesus is wrong about, that at least makes some deistic sense .... More than the hateful fundamental "christian" dribble that presently seems to ooze out of this board.

What are your thoughts?

Link to CNN article

 

Bobbye answered on 02/20/07:

Money and power! Remove these ingredients from the equation and even he will forget about being God!

Pitiful! This has been in the news for the past few months. My prayers are with the people who believe him. Another Jim Jones debacle in the making.

Bobbye
P.S. Pericles, the "dribble" on this Board is "FAITH" to millions throughout the world. We accept your posts (or at least many of us respect others on this Board), so why trivialize our beliefs? You're too intelligent for such tactics.

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domino asked on 02/20/07 - No bible scholars????

It seems there are no bible scholars willing to tackle the riddle of why Luke contradicts the other three Gospel authors, regarding his TALE of the converted thief at the crucifixion. A TALE that is contradicted by Matthew and Mark, and receives not even a mention in John..,

Well maybe this one will be easier. Why does JOHN contradict, Matthew, Mark and Luke, by placing Jesus' cleansing of the temple at the BEGINNING of Jesus ministry, rather than at the end, as the Synotic gospels do?????

Couldn't these guys agree on ANYTHING???????

Bobbye answered on 02/20/07:

John was an eye-witness,having grown up in the Capernaum/Nazareth, Galilee area with Jesus. He ultimately followed Jesus as a disciple and was the one to whom Jesus entrusted with the care of Mary. John was just a teen-ager when He became a disciple of Jesus (ultimately becoming one of The Twelve) and was a mere 20 years old at the time of The Crucifixion.

Luke WAS NOT one of The Twelve, thus his information was gleaned from Mary; Mark's writings (who documented Peter's teachings), et al.

I prefer John's account over the Synoptics of any incident. Nothing beats a lifetime of witnessing first-hand the accounts of which you are reporting.

I believe much confusion has been caused by those who divided Scripture into books, chapters, verses.

Bobbye
P.S. Example: The placement of John 5 and John 6 seems to have been the error of those who placed the writings into books, chapters, verses. John 6 should have been placed ahead of John 5.

Also, the "error of insinuation" has caused multitudes to believe that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. Not so!

The account should have ended with the washing of Jesus' feet with the tears (most Bible students know the meaning of "tear bottles" in Scripture) of "Mary" (not The Virgin). THEN, the account should have been followed by a fresh chapter, which would have placed Mary Magdalene in her proper setting in Scripture (of whom Jesus cast out seven devils).

I'm sure most on here know that "the Mary" who washed Jesus' feet was POSSIBLY a sister of Martha and Lazarus! Now that should stir things for tonight! So, "Mary of Magdala, where art thou accusers?"

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Choux... asked on 02/16/07 - Madonna OR Whore

Those are the two roles Christianity assigned to women in order to classify, control, dismiss or otherwise undermine a woman's sense of self, A WHOLE SELF.

The Catholic Church even went to far as to spread lies about Mary Magdeline, an accomplished woman for her time, preaching that she was a prostitute! The Catholic Church has been in the process of rehabilitating Mary M. from THEIR LIES!!

I am even told by posts of a couple of members of the Board that Martin Luther was a woman degredator, too(not to mention Jews).

Today, these, whore OR madonna, powerful tentacles of the white male domination of our cultures still undermining the spiritual wholeness of women.

WHORE OR MADONNA, women, take your pick. Just don't get uppity and difficult to control.

So long Anna Nicole, ambitious, but from a lowly background in a backwater state, Texas. You chose the only road to fame and fortune....being a whore in a white man's world.


Mary Sue

Bobbye answered on 02/16/07:

I live in that "backwater State." NOTHING "BACKWATER" ABOUT IT! Would you care to know my neighbors? You might be surprised as to how "backwater" we are not!

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 02/07/07 - Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, urged Islamic nations to retaliate against Israel

JERUSALEM - Police scuffled Wednesday with an Israeli Islamic leader and several of his followers near a disputed holy site in the Old City of Jerusalem where Muslims have been protesting excavations and repairs.

Raed Salah, the fiery leader of the Islamic Movement in Israel, and six supporters were taken for questioning after "a brawl" with police guarding work near the hilltop compound known to Jews as the Temple Mount and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary, home of the Al Aqsa mosque complex, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.

It wasn't clear whether charges would be brought, Rosenfeld said.

Rosenfeld said about 2,000 Israeli police — double the usual number — were on duty in the city to quell any violent protest against Israel's plan to build a new walkway up to the compound where Islamic tradition says Muhammad ascended to heaven and which Jews revere as the site of their ancient temples.

Israel says the project is needed to replace a centuries-old earthen ramp that partially collapsed in a snowstorm three years ago. It has promised the work would cause no harm to Islamic holy sites, but those assurances have not calmed Muslim outrage over the project.

On Wednesday, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, urged Islamic nations to retaliate against Israel. Khamenei did not say what sort of response he intended, but he said the Islamic world should make Israel "regret" what it is doing.

OK guys, if Iran has no problem with Israel why Is Khamenei urging the Islamics to retaliate against the Israeli's?

Cool, collected comments only.

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 02/08/07:

Should Israel be successful in this "excavation and repairs," CAN THE RED HEIFER BE FAR BEHIND?

Be blessed,
bobbye

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arcura asked on 02/07/07 - My request for your prayers…………………..

I’ve been sick this last week and now it is getting worse.
Lower abdomen cramps and chest pain put me nearly out of commission.
So tomorrow morning early I’ll be taken to the VA Hospital in Helena 75 miles north of here.
I already have appointments for lab tests and to see a doctor.
And so I humbly ask for you prayers for me and those who will be treating me.
Thank you and God bless you all with much peace and kindness for and with one another.

Bobbye answered on 02/08/07:

Fred, you are in my prayers.
Bobbye

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belle33 asked on 02/02/07 - AMOS

Will someone put AMOS ch 7 vs 7 " Thus he showed me:and behold, the Lord stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline his hand." in context for me?

Bobbye answered on 02/02/07:

Amos 7:7-9: Must read three verses to understand the purpose of the "plumb line!"

A "plumb line" is a string with a weight tied to one end, used to establish a vertical line SO THAT A WALL CAN BE BUILT STRAIGHT.

"WHAT DO YOU SEE?" Unlike the first two visions of natural disasters, the visions of the plumb line and the basket of summer fruit (vs. 8), were not self-explanatory.

God asked Amos what he saw; then explained the vision's meaning. Also, unlike the first two visions, GOD DID NOT GIVE AMOS OPPORTUNITY TO INTERCEDE, NOR DID HE RELENT. THESE JUDGMENTS WOULD BE EXECUTED!

The "plumb line of God's revelation in the Law" had been set in the midst of Israel for many generations. NOW, GOD WOULD STRETCH A PLUMB LINE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW CROOKED THE PEOPLE'S OBSERVANCE OF HIS COMMANDS HAD BEEN.

THE "HIGH PLACES" REFERS TO TEMPLES, GROVES, AND OTHER SHRINES DEDICATED MOSTLY TO PAGAN DEITIES.

Isaac, the father of Jacob, represents all Israel in Amos' day.

Good question, Belle.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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Choux... asked on 01/30/07 - Once Upon a Time...

....there was an old woman who lived on a pension. She had a friend who got very sick, so she spent her last money on a flowering plant for her friend's bedside.

The plant brought happiness to the sick woman who enjoyed the beautiful flowers.

Now, she doesn't have enough money for the co-pay for the 8 medicines(of 10)he need refilled, and has started going into withdrawal as the first two medicines ran out.

She e-mailed her brother who said he would pick up the medicine and pay for it. So far, no show.

The moral of the story:::: I won't get my medicine until Friday unless my brother goes and gets it, so I'm not going to participate in answering questions because I'm **really** on edge, and my head will explode if I don't take it easy. :), so I'm going to, "OOOOmmmmmm" AND TOTALLY RELAX sans any irritation until I'm back on my medicines. God knows, AW is totally irritating enough let alone when one holds unpopular positions like anti-Iraq War and Secular Humanism(Atheist). :)

Have fun!
Mary Sue

Bobbye answered on 01/30/07:

Mary Sue, you have my e-mail. Therefore, as in the past, all you have to do is send me an e-mail when you are in dire need.

Just send me an e-mail if I can help.
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 01/25/07 - PURSUIT OF LOVE:



Within the Lord's economy, the pursuit of love requires us to consider the counsel of our hearts, but also our minds and our souls. Being receptive to the wise counsel of family and friends doesn't hurt.

Your interpretation ... please!

HANK

Bobbye answered on 01/28/07:

You are Scriptural in this thought;i.e., Proverbs 11:14 KJV (Prov. 24:6), "Where no counsel is, the people fall: BUT IN THE MULTITUDE OF COUNSELORS THERE IS SAFETY."

When the "counsel" doesn't coincide with our desires or thoughts, that may be the very net that saves us from destruction!

Blessings,
bobbye

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Pete. asked on 01/25/07 - For your information.

It seems that the "new Answerway" is really trying to emulate the Christian faith...Forgiveness & rebirth!!

I have now registered my old name ( well close:) & old email address.

Misha. is retired.

Pete. is back.

Bobbye answered on 01/28/07:

Great! May others do likewise.

Be blessed, Pete.
bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 01/27/07 - FAITH:



When a believer has FAITH, it is God's way of giving him confidence and assurance that what is promised will be experienced!

Just an AGREE or DISAGREE will do!

HANK

Bobbye answered on 01/28/07:

Agree! Mark 11:24 KJV, "... What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe (FAITH) that you receive them, and ye shall have them."

Re your clarification/follow-up;i.e., "...that will allow you to act accordingly," if you believe you have received the answer, YOU WILL ACT ACCORDINGLY! That's where faith "calls those things that be not as though they were."

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 01/24/07 - ARE YOU AN ICONOCLAST:

"What's an ICONOCLAST?" you ask. This is someone who attacks traditional beliefs or institutions. Do you know anyone who's guilty in this domain?

HANK

Bobbye answered on 01/25/07:

The term "iconoclast" is not always a negative. It can definitely be a positive;i.e., "one who breaks traditions."

To use the term "attack" with the term "iconoclast" is not necessarily a truism. You can "break a tradition" without "attacking," thereby producing much good as an iconoclast.

JESUS WAS AN ICONOCLAST! He definitely broke traditions!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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hOPE12 asked on 01/17/07 - An explaination and apology for my c/p but not my beliefs.

To Whom It May Concern:
Throughout some time now, I have had to put up with attacks because I cut and paste some of my articles from the magazine called the Watchtower. I have done so due to the fact that I have Cerebral Palsy and it is hard for me to do a lot of typing most of the time. . My hands do not want to always do what I want them to. I suffer from partial paralysis See Cerebral Palsy causes movements that are involuntary muscle contractions. There are some days when it is better then others. I need special equipment to do things that a normal person takes for granted.
On the days that I do C/P some Watchtower articles it is because I can not use my hands very well. I figure many here have C/P articles from their religious beliefs and from newspapers and such, so that it would be okay for me to do the same. In the fact that I believe in what the Watchtower says because this is my religious beliefs and I agree with what the Watchtower publishes, otherwise I would not be a Jehovah Witness.
Many on here attack not really me but my religion. This is like attacking me because this is my belief and opinion on the matters presented on the board. Why then do some attack the Watchtower and not just me? If it is the cut and paste that you do not like, I understand that, and I will try to not C/P. But when giving me correction on my C/P why must you attack my religious beliefs? Do I not have the same right as all of you do, to choose and practice whatever faith I wish to?
There are those on this board seem to want me to not be a Jehovah Witness and make statements such as:

I quote:
01/16/07 Mathatmacoat
Oh did someone tell you the truth. We can all do with less JWBS in our lives.
Clarification/Follow-up by Itsdb on 01/16/07 9:49 am:
Hope,
“You see Hope, whether you like my style or not, my responses to you are with the 'hope' you will some day 'get it' and expand your horizons. Sometimes the truth hurts Hope, and I bet most participants on this board think as I do that whatever comes out of the Watchtower is mind-numbingly dull, simplistic, patronizing, condescending and just plain wrong.
Even when you're not copying/pasting/rearranging Watchtower materials you tend to speak to us in the same manner, and I know there is more potential inside Hope than that. Let it out, Hope. Break free of the Watchtower's grip and talk to us like intelligent adults.
I don't hate Witnesses, I don't hate anyone, but I do hate an organization that takes a productive, intelligent human being and indoctrinates them to the point they don't seem to be able to speak for themselves. If I didn't respect you and recognize your potential I wouldn't say that. So come on, show us the real Hope - you'll be surprised at how liberating that is.
Steve
Itsdb 01/11/07
Hope,

I would have hoped that after all these years you might have gone beyond merely reporting the Watchtower's official word on a subject.
What exactly is the value in posing a question only to return with another virtually verbatim Watchtower answer? Do you learn anything from it, or are we all supposed to just put our answers out then submit to Watchtower doctrine?
Steve

First of all Steve I am an intelligent adult and I do have my own ideas and opinions.
This is just a few examples of those who say they respect all other religions and that they just want me to not C/P. Couldn’t these ones comment just on the C/P and not down my religion or my choice of what I believe? If anyone feels the need to correction in my cut and paste only, that is your opinion and I respect that. By all means feel free to readjust or critique my ability to type, and if you have some Ideas on what might help in my continued participation on Answerway, please share your ideas with me. I am willing to learn a new way of making comments if you guys can tell me how I can do that with my Cerebral palsy and partial paralysis in my hands. I welcome any suggestions.
I do feel though that there is a difference between not wanting C/P on the board and downing my religion. We all have a right to believe as we choose and to have our opinions on different topic about religion, however, it is the way we give our opinion that is constructive and not disrespectful of the person’s choice of religion. One can also disagree but yet not be rude about how they disagree.
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Steve: you have attacked me many times over the years and I just try to over look it, I do apologize for the C/P, I should have stated it was from the Watchtower and the Bible and from my own ideas and opinions. Not all my comments come from the Watchtower. For that II apologize,
However, I never apologize nor will I ever change what I believe, as I would never invite you to change if that is not what you want. Please show me that same respect, because I choose to be a Jehovah Witness and I will respect whatever you choose, but please do not tell me what to believe and not believe. Feel free also to give your opinion and comments about my religion but in a respectful way. I
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Now that I have stated that and apologized for not giving all those involved in my comments the credit, which I felt that everyone knew. Having had stated my condition and disabilities before and thought that everyone here knew. Oh well, I guess some forgot. I will in the future remember to give credit to myself for my ideas, which by the way are the same as what the Watchtower brings out because they quote scriptures and I even do the extra work of not using my own Bible but the New King James Version, so some won’t say that is just what the New World Translation of the scriptures say. Rather then some appreciate the effort I put into my answers to make them as accurate and comprehensive as possible, they down my religion as shown as above.
I will be happy to just leave the board, however, I have given it some thought and that would just make those who are rude to me,win. I won’t let that happen. I will comment and when some down my religion again, as they always do, please remember you are also downing me because these are my opinions and my beliefs, it just is much easier for me to cut and paste then to take the five hours this post has taken for me to type.
Thank you for reading this, and have a great day,
Hope12

Bobbye answered on 01/18/07:

Hope, this is proof that you are Judonna from AskMe. I have no problem with that, but each time I've asked you about "Judonna," you denied knowing her.

I've gone to people behind the scenes, asking them to lay off the attacks on you because of your illness. I've interceded for you many times; yet, you have not accepted my kindness to you.

When I question a situation, it is not for entrapment, but for TRUTH!

I agree with Pete that you need to "keep doing what you do best -- answering questions." Forget the attacks. We've all been maligned on this "Christianity" Board.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Hwood asked on 01/13/07 - Gossiping

A Pastor, Rev. Brooks, called for the congregation’s attention. "I have something important to tell you. A new Pastor is being sent to replace me." A deep silence fell over the congregation. "I do not know why they are replacing me, but I will let you know when I find out."

The pastor then turned and left by the back entrance. As he entered the baptismal area, a lady from the church, Mr’s Bloomsfield, met him. She said, "Pastor, I hope they never let you enter the pulpit again. I am bringing charges against you today. The police will be picking you up shortly."

Pastor Brooks looked at her with a puzzled half smile. He said, "what on earth are you talking about Mr’s bloomsfield?" She said, "you know very well what I am talking about! Your kind always puts on a front. You know you kissed my little girl, and there is no use in you denying it!"

The Pastor began to shake his head in denial, then he stopped. "Mr’s Bloomsfield, he said, where did she say I kissed her?" Mrs Bloomsfield said, "she didn’t say and it doesn’t matter, you have no business kissing her at all."

Pastor Brooks said, "Mr’s Bloomsfield, would you go and ask her, and then ask her why, then come back and tell me what she said?"

The Pastor went into his office and sat down. He waited for a long time, thinking about the situation, and how he would handle it.

Then he heard an uproar in the sanctuary of the Church. As he entered the podium, he noticed Mr’s Bloomsfield standing in front of the congregation talking and crying at the same time.

She said how sorry she was for the grave mistake she had made. She said her little girl told her what had happened. She had hurt her hand, and she told the Pastor. He then took her hand and kissed it. She said, like always, the kiss made it feel lots better.

Turning she saw the Pastor. She ran and put her arms around him and asked him to forgive her. The Pastor took her hands and assured that she was forgiven.

He then turned to the congregation and said, "Let this be a good lesson to all of us. We all have made quick, and rash decisions. Mr’s Bloomsfield is not to be thought bad of. She was just concerned about her little girl, which is a right and just decision. But like we all, have sometimes done, she didn’t stop and ask God about it first.


Like this situation, we should all take a lesson. We should always go to God first, and then to the one who is accused of something. Most of the time it can be taken care of right away. Also it could stop a lot of gossip.


Bobbye answered on 01/13/07:

Thanks, Milton. I've seen this very thing far too many times.

A great reminder.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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Misha. asked on 01/08/07 - Young Earth Theory

One of the greatest dilemmas for the "young earth" view is in astronomy. We can see light from stars that took 14 billion years to get here. To say that God created them with the appearance of age does not satisfy the question of how their light reached us.

We have watched star explosions that happened billions of years ago, but if the universe is not billions of years old, then we are seeing light from stars that never existed because they would have died before Creation.

The old earth view seems to fit the evidence better and causes no problem with the Bible

Why would "God" mislead us with the evidence?

Bobbye answered on 01/09/07:

The only plausible explanation!

BTW, the above explanation doesn't exclude God. A careful study of Genesis 1:1 past (billions of years) and Genesis 1:2 (6,000 years forward) concurs with your post. (However, a cataclysmic event must be acknowledged to reationalize the gap. Yes, the "New Earth" theorists will have to acknowledge "The Gap Theory" within the concept of your post -- which they have not acknowledged since the days of AskMe. This should fluff a lot of feathers.)

Be blessed, Pete. You and your family remain in my prayers.
Bobbye

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Pericles asked on 12/24/06 - Merry Christmas, all!




Whatever you believe, doubt, or reject : have a wonderful and merry Christmas to all of you.







Bobbye answered on 12/24/06:

And may you have a blessed Christmas!

Bobbye

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Misha. asked on 12/23/06 - Seasons Greetings

Dear All,

My heartfelt appreciation goes out to all of you who have taken the time and trouble to send me "forwards" over the past 12 months.

Thank you for making me feel safe, secure, blessed and Healthy.

Extra thanks to whoever sent me the email about rat crap in the glue on envelopes - 'cause I now have to go get a wet towel every time I need to seal an envelope. Also, I scrub the top of every can I open for the same reason.

Because of your genuine concern, I no longer drink Coca Cola because I know it can remove toilet stains, which is not exactly an appealing characteristic.
I no longer check the coin return on pay phones because I could be pricked with a needle infected with AIDS.

I no longer use cancer-causing deodorants even though I smell like a water buffalo on a hot day.
I no longer go to shopping centres because someone might drug me with a perfume sample and rob me.
I no longer eat KFC because their "chickens" are actually horrible mutant freaks with no eyes or feathers.
I no longer worry about my soul because at last count, I have 363,214 angels looking out for me. Thanks to you, I have learned that God only answers my prayers if I forward an e-mail to seven of my friends and make a wish within five minutes.

I no longer have any savings because I gave it to a sick girl on the internet who is about to die in the hospital (for the 1,387,258th time). I no longer have any money at all in fact, but that will change once
I receive the $15,000 that Microsoft and AOL are sending me for participating in their special on-line email program.

Yes, I want to thank you all so much for looking out for me that I will now return the favour! If you don't send this e-mail to at least 144,000 people in the next 7 minutes, a large pigeon with a wicked case of diarrhoea will land on your head at 5:00 PM (GMT) this afternoon. I know this will occur because it actually happened to a friend of my next door neighbour's ex-mother-in-law's second husband's cousin's beautician.

Merry Whatever & Happy New Year.

Pete



ps. "Progress is impossible without change; and those who cannot change their
minds cannot change anything"


George Bernard Shaw


Bobbye answered on 12/23/06:

Pete, you are too much! LOL

Thanks for expressing the sentiments of many of us.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Bobbye

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paraclete asked on 12/22/06 - I just wanted to know?

In this season of goodwill, has anyone here heard of any other Christian denomination but Catholic? It is becoming tiring rehashing these Catholic issues over and over again

Bobbye answered on 12/22/06:

Brian, do you now understand why I was so offended when you accused me of "using this Board as a classroom" -- when all I was doing was posting and responding to matters pertaining to the Christian faith?

Yet, I have seen, repetitively, postings by others (several denominations) that was nothing more than "preaching their gospel." I admire them for their efforts, and have yet to accuse them of using this as a "classroom."

Also, I've seen more grammar and punctuation classes on this "Christianity" Board than I've seen positives for the Christian faith; yet, no one insulted another over it.

Merry Christmas, Clete. There's room here for everyone -- even if we disagree.

Bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/15/06 - How would the world be different if Adam and Eve

had instead eaten from the Tree of Life?

(This question was posed on another site.)

Bobbye answered on 12/16/06:

THEY DID! The result is covered in my response to your similar questions.

However, had they continued to eat from The Tree of Life, rather than the forbidden Tree, they would have lived forever in The Garden; walking and talking with God; not having to work by the sweat of man's brow; no pain in childbirth; no evil present; etc., etc., etc.

The serpent would have continued to walk uprightly; the ground would produce lush vegetation; there would be no need for Human Government; no need for the Eight Biblical Covenants; no need for The Ten Commandments, no need for a Redeemer, etc., etc., etc.

It was The Knowledge of The Tree of Good and Evil that changed mankind's lifestyle forever -- until The Return of The Lord and we enter The New Jerusalem, where there is a Tree of Life (Revelation 22).

As Dr. Phil would ask: "What were they thinking?"

Bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/15/06 - Why did God create?

He didn't have to.

Bobbye answered on 12/16/06:

ONE INTERPRETATION: In ancient times an emperor might command statues of himself to be placed in remote parts of his empire. These symbols would declare that these areas were under his power and reign.

So God placed humankind as living symbols of Himself ("Let us make man in Our image....") over all the earth to represent His reign.

This interepretation fits well with the command that follows: "To reign over all ("have dominion") that God has made; according to Our likeness."

As God is Spirit (John 4:24), there can be no "image" or "likeness" of Him in the normal sesne of these words. Indeed, image-making was later strongly prohibited because of the clear ties with idolatry: Exodus 20:4-6.

WE ARE MADE TO REFLECT HIS MAJESTY ON EARTH!

CeeBee, this is ONE interpretation (not Fundamental rhetoric).

Another interpretation is "fellowship." That is weak in its apologetic defense -- in my opinion.

Season's greetings,
Bobbye

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Misha. asked on 12/15/06 - What do I call my dad!

This is not meant as a silly question. I need to know what Christians call the "being" that "sired" them/

(prompted by a question from daft Tom)

"Matt 23:8-10
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
NKJV"

Bobbye answered on 12/16/06:

Jesus was speaking from a spiritual standpoint:e.g., to paraphrase: "Call no man father if you are equating him with God, as ONLY ONE IS YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER!"

To call our earthly parent "father" or "dad" is of the natural realm: No comparison to God the Father, or reference to God when addressing our dad as "father."

Good question, Pete.

Season's blessings,
Bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 12/15/06 - 1) Did Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Life

at ALL before The Fall?
2) Wasn't it a permanent fixture in the Garden?
3) Could its fruit be eaten more than once?
4) Why weren't there any rules established about it?

Bobbye answered on 12/16/06:

OBVIOUSLY, THEY DID!
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Did Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Life at ALL before The Fall?
CeeBee2 12/15/06

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2) Wasn't it a permanent fixture in the Garden?

YES. Also, the New Jerusalem, the habitation of God's people in the future, will have a river, AS WELL AS A NEW TREE OF LIFE: REVELATION 22:1-2.
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3) Could its fruit be eaten more than once?
Obviously, it was necessary to eat from the Tree of Life, and eat from it often in order to sustain "life," as well as PERMANENT "Zoe" LIFE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN.
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4) Why weren't there any rules established about it (Tree of Life)?

(1) THERE WERE RULES ESTABLISHED: OBEDIENCE: Genesis 3:16-17, NKJV, "And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, 'OF EVERY TREE (this includes the Tree of Life) of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL YOU SHALL NOT EAT, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

(2) CONSEQUENCES: Adam and Eve did eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, resulting in their being expelled from The Garden of Eden.

God slew an animal and made coats (covering) of skins for Adam and Eve to cover their nakedness.

This was the first Blood Sacrifice for sin. This was a type and shadow of the covering (clothing) of Christ's righteousness when we accept Him as Saviour!

(3) PURPOSE OF EXPULSION: Had they been allowed to remain in The Garden, they would have continued to eat of The Tree of Life, resulting in ETERNAL LIFE IN SIN!


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The Expulsion was God's Mercy, Lest Adam and Eve live forever in sin by continuing to eat from The Tree of Life.

GENESIS 3:24, "So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, TO GUARD THE WAY TO THE TREE OF LIFE!"

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Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 12/16/06 - Here is a note from Tammy Faye Bakker Messner

December 13, 2006



Dear Friends;

Its little ole me. Just wanted to give you an update. So many of you have sent me e-mails and cards with well wishes and notes of encouragement, which mean so much to me, thank you for keeping me in your thoughts and prayers.

Im doin' ok. Still have some good days and some not so good. Trying to eat to get my strength back and to put some meat on my bony butt. Ha Ha!

Thanksgiving was uneventful this year - everybody behaved themselves. Had a wonderful time with my kids and grandkids. It is such a blessing to have my family here to spend time with me.

Sorry this is so short again this time, but I just wanted you to know that I am still around, maybe not shopping as much as I usually do but still try and get out every once in a while. Dont believe all the garbage you read in the tabloids & hear on TV.

I am still believing in the Lord for a complete healing. Please keep me in your prayers. To all of you who have e-mailed me with prayer requests, I am keeping you in my prayers as well.

God bless you all. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone.

Love,
Tammy
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Tammy is now under Hospice care in Charlotte, NC and is down to 68 lbs.

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 12/16/06:

God is able! Expect a miracle!
Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 12/10/06 - Black skin:

Is black skin the mark of Cain?

The following quote from Brigham Young sparked my curiosity:
Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so. Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, page 110.
Cain slew his brother and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. That curse will remain upon them, and they never can hold the priesthood, or share in it until all the other descendents of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the priesthood and the keys thereof. Journal of Discourses, Volume 7, pages 290-291

Bobbye answered on 12/11/06:

NO! Cain was quite a number of years ahead of Noah; Shem, Ham, Japheth.

(You know, Adam and Eve just "out of the garden," and a generation down the road East toward Nod we hear of Cain.)

The "mark" of Cain has nothing to do with the erroneous belief of black people's being "marked" with black skin.

However, many have taught erroneously that the black-skinned people were cursed, based upon Ham's drunkedness.

HAM WAS NOT CURSED! CANAAN WAS CURSED! The curse was that he would serve his brethren.

Time lines are of the essence when researching Biblical histories.

Also, a simple course in Biblical hermeneutics would help.

Season's blessings,
bobbye

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Pericles asked on 12/08/06 - Has God committed suicide?

The following post is by Adrian Barnett

Just some thoughts for serious consideration, I guess.


Has God committed suicide?

Quite a reasonable question, I think.

Look at it like this :

God is (allegedly) all-knowing, in all places, infinitely intelligent and powerful.
Who is he going to have to talk to? You? Do you think you could have anything to say that could possibly be of interest to God?


you: God, hi. I'd like to tell you about my latest invention - it's a time machine that generates free electricity, is powered entirely by Syrup of Figs and can also translate French into Welsh. Good, eh?

God: (YAWN....) BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.

you: Erm... well, how about this : my friend has discovered the secret language of snails and is, at this very minute, discussing the theories of Freud and Jung with a collection of garden molluscs!

God: OH WHAT'S THE POINT? I INVENTED THE SECRET LANGUAGE OF SNAILS IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOT TO MENTION THE THEORIES OF FREUD AND JUNG. I'M SOOOO BORED.


How can a mere human come up with anything that God would ever be interested in hearing. Especially as he knows everything anyway, including whatever it is you're about to say to him.
He must be bored out of his multidimensional mind!

No friends, nobody to have a friendly debate with, no creature in the entire universe that has even the tiniest fraction of his intelligence and knowledge. It would be like you trying to have a conversation with some dust on the floor.

The only conclusion I can reach is that if a being such as God ever did exist, he must have killed himself a very, very long time ago.



Anyone any comments on this?

Bobbye answered on 12/08/06:

IF GOD IS DEAD, WHY WASN'T I INVITED TO THE FUNERAL? I'M THE NEXT OF KIN! I'M HIS CHILD!

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 12/06/06 - The Rosary

Is it true that the Rosary is a strong chain to pull us to heaven?

"Your rosary is the rope, or more properly the strong chain, by which Mary, your guide, will pull you up to heaven." Getting to Know Mary, page 88

Bobbye answered on 12/08/06:

I'm heading for the hardware store for great lengths of chain -- IF ONE CAN GET TO HEAVEN BY A CHAIN (ROSARY)! I'll pass them around until all are saved (if such were possible).

"FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH, AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES. IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD. NOT OF WORKS (or rosaries), LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST." Ephesians 2:8

I suspect Mary would turn over in her grave if she were ware of such heresies attributed to mere mortal.

Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 12/05/06 - Is it finished?

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Freds words:
I provided a vivid example of an actual apparition of Mary and you come up with you silly protestant post about a sandwich.
When Jesus said, "It is finished" was the statement that His last Passover Seder on earth was finished. It is the traditional ending to the Jewish Passover.
See, you are even twisting the words of Christ to be something other than what and why Jesus said it.
Shame on you.


I find this reasoning bizarre. Your thoughts?


Bobbye answered on 12/07/06:

HE HAD FULFILLED THE LAW (which no mortal could fulfill)! THE WORK OF REDEMPTION WAS FINISHED! The veil separating man from The Holy of Holies was rent in twain at that moment down at The Temple. Now we "may come boldly to The Thorne of Grace to obtain mercy and help in time of need."

Bobbye

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Choux... asked on 12/06/06 - Stunning Rebuke for Bush and Cheney

WASHINGTON, Dec. 6 "A bipartisan commission warned Wednesday that the situation in Iraq is grave and deteriorating, and it handed President Bush both a rebuke for his current strategy and a detailed blueprint for a fundamentally different approach, including the pullback of all American combat brigades over the next 15 months.

A bipartisan commission urged stepped-up diplomatic and political efforts to stabilize that country.

In unusually sweeping and blunt language, the panel of five Republicans and five Democrats issued 79 specific recommendations.

These included a call for direct engagement with Syria and Iran as part of a new diplomatic offensive, jump-starting the Israeli-Palestinian peace effort, and a clear declaration that the United States would reduce its support to Iraq unless Baghdad made substantial progress on reconciliation and security.

Mr. Bush has refused to deal with Syria and Iran, and as recently as last week, he assured Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki that the American commitment to Iraq would be undiminished until victory was achieved.

But the commission, led by James A. Baker III and Lee H. Hamilton, argued that while Americans might be in Iraq for years, the Iraqis must understand that the American military commitment was not open ended. It is time, the panel said, for the United States to begin to move its combat forces out of Iraq responsibly.

The detailed prescription called for much more aggressive diplomatic efforts in the Middle East than the Bush administration has been willing to embrace. Its calls for reconciliation and reform in Iraq and an overhaul of the American military role would also mark major departures in the American strategy.

Members of the commission said they believed that their recommendations would improve prospects for success in Iraq, but they said there was no guarantee against failure.

The current approach is not working, and the ability of the United States to influence events is diminishing, Mr. Hamilton said at a news conference on Capitol Hill. Our ship of state has hit rough waters. It must now chart a new way forward.

Administration officials said they expected President Bush to announce his own way forward this month. They were careful not to take issue with the reports findings in public, and said Mr. Bush had yet to make firm decisions. But some suggested that the diplomatic strategy in the report better fit the Middle East of 15 years ago, when Mr. Baker served as secretary of state.

What played out on Wednesday morning, from the White House to Capitol Hill, was a remarkable condemnation of American policy drift in the biggest and most divisive military conflict to involve American forces since Vietnam. It was all the more unusual because Mr. Baker was secretary of state to Mr. Bushs father, and because the bipartisan group managed to come up with unanimous recommendations....."

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How do you feel about the Bi-Partisan Commission's Report?

Bobbye answered on 12/07/06:

Yes, a "stunning rebuke." However, as one commentator pointed out today: "The report should not only be read, but an ear given by The President to the voice of the American people, who spoke loudly and clearly in November! It is The President who must take note of the Report. Otherwise, it is merely a piece of paper."

BTW, did you hear the President's comments to the Report today? E.g., "There are many reports written, most of which are never read. However, this Report should be read!"

DUH! DUH! DUH!

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 12/06/06 - Mary

Where is Mary buried?

Bobbye answered on 12/07/06:

Ephesus, possibly.

Tradition has it that Mary lived her remaining days in Ephesus, along with the Apostle John. John was the one standng at the foot of The Cross to whom Jesus said, "Behold, your mother." And to Mary: "Woman, behold thy son." John 19:25, NKJV.

Irenaeus (one of early Church fathers); who was a native of Asia Minor, who knew Polycarp, a disciple of John and also Bishop of Smyrna (who was burned alive for refusing to declare "Caesar is Lord"), claims that John lived at Ephesus until the time of Trajan, who became emperor in A.D. 98. In Ephesus there is the "House of St. Mary" where the mother of Jesus supposedly lived under John's care.

In studying "The Master's Men" many traditions or theories are offered regarding the last days of The Twelve.

Bobbye



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peddler7118 asked on 12/07/06 - Do Nun's ever get saved?

A Former Nun's Testimony
by Mary Ann Pakiz

God's Word Needs No Authority Other Than Itself

God's Word needs no authority other than itself. When I comprehended that principle, I was free--free to search the Scriptures for truth! In them, I found the way to God. Man gets to God, God's way, through Jesus Christ, as revealed in the Bible. "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me" (John 14:6).
THE AUTHORITY ISSUE

For many years, I had been led to believe that the Catholic Church was the final authority of my faith, and that I had no right to question its teaching. The Roman Catholic system teaches that all authority comes from God, but that God has appointed the Catholic system to be the guardian of His authority. Therefore, everything has to be weighed in the light of Catholic tradition and teaching, as theirs is held to be the only system in which truth is deposited. A Catholic cannot believe in the Scriptures without the authority of the Church to accredit the Scriptures! The Roman Catholic Church declares that God's authority is not sufficient to oblige men to believe and bow to it; it seeks to place church authority above God's authority. True faith is faith in what God has said because God has said it! Faith in God is belief in God's Word, the Bible, without any authority other than itself. "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve" (Luke 4:8).

CATHOLIC BAPTISM

I came under Catholic authority in 1948 when I was re-baptized and converted to Catholicism. I was born in 1930 to Finnish immigrant parents of a Lutheran persuasion. Our neighbors, who were immigrants from Yugoslavia and Italy, had a strong influence on my formative years. As exemplary Catholics, who witnessed to us about their faith, and who lived lives of good works and good deeds, of which we often were the recipients, they were committed to bringing the neighborhood under the headship of Rome. They reached out to us with what they thought was the truth. They were sincere, but sincerely wrong. It is important to remember that individual Catholics are not our enemies; rather, they are precious souls whom God loves and for whom He commands us to reach with the Gospel of His Grace. Salvation is by grace. Grace is unmerited favor. We cannot earn grace, nor do we deserve grace. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).

FAITH'S OBJECT

The Roman Catholic believes that salvation is based on water and works. Baptismal regeneration is the cornerstone of the Catholic system. The Church teaches that no one can enter the kingdom of heaven unless he or she is baptized. The source of Catholic faith is the Church. Its object is loyalty to the Church. Therefore, Catholic faith is in itself. The Christian, however, knows that salvation is based on Christ's work alone, a finished work to which nothing can be added. The source of Christian faith is the Bible. Its object is Jesus Christ. Therefore, true faith is in a Person. In order for faith to be operative, it must be anchored to the person of Jesus Christ.

BLIND ACCEPTANCE

Rather than searching the Scriptures for truth to find out if Catholic teaching was in line with God's Word, I blindly accepted everything the priest told me during my instructions to become a Catholic, except for one request. He asked me to bring my King James version of the Bible to the rectory which he said had to be burned because it was not the official Catholic version. Instead, I gave it to my mother.

During my instructions, the stress was on papal supremacy and infallibility. I was told that Christ made Peter the first pope to head the Church on earth with infallible authority. The Pope, as Christ's representative on earth, guided all people, Catholic or not, into all truth (Vatican Council, 1870). Presently, as I reflect on this Church tenet, I do not find any evidence from Scripture that Christ actually gave any such authority to Peter or even that the apostles considered Peter to have a special position of authority. Furthermore, Peter would have known that he was a pope and certainly would have said something about it. If he had known it, how is it that he did not act as pope?

BECOMING A "BRIDE OF CHRIST"

In 1950, I took another step to come further under Catholic authority by entering the Order of St. Benedict to become a sister. I had been working as a nurse's aide at a local hospital run by the Benedictine Sisters, and, as I was so impressed with their gracious service to the patients and staff, I decided that I, too, wanted to spend my life serving others.

My first year in the convent, as a postulant, was one of the happiest years of my life. Our postulant mistress was a kind, fair, and understanding woman. There were eighteen girls of various ages and backgrounds in our group. They were eager and excited to serve the Catholic Church and to live by the rule of St. Benedict. We shared many happy times together. There were more serious moments for me, too, when I prayed in the chapel and gazed up at the crucifix wondering why Jesus had to die on Calvary's Cross.

Before we became novices, we marched down the church aisle in bridal attire to become "brides of Christ". Nothing much was said about Jesus as we prepared for this event. Rather, our emotions were at high pitch over the changes in our names. I went from Miss Mary Ann to Sr. M. Laurian, O.S.B. I was a bride of Christ, and I knew little about Him other than He was the Son of God.

A STOCKPILE OF GOOD WORKS

During the five year preparation period for our final vows, we studied the Rule of Saint Benedict, canon law, church history, a bit about Jesuit causistry (the end justifies the means), and the lives of the saints. The emphasis was on self-denial and submission of one's will to the authority figure under whose charge we were. St. Therese, the Little Flower, was held up before us as a role model so we would emulate her way to God. It was a way based on "offering up" the daily vexations of life to make up for our sins or the sins of others. We were busy trying to build a stockpile of good works by which we could make ourselves more acceptable to God. We were offering our self-made sacrifices to God because we did not know that we could get to God because of the offering Jesus Christ made of Himself in our behalf at Calvary. When Jesus said to God, "I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do," He meant the work He did in behalf of sinners was complete and could not be added to (John 17:4).

BACK IN THE WORLD

In our last three years as scholastics, some of the group left the motherhouse for teaching assignments in the diocese. We returned in the summer, and it was great to be back together again. I needed the rest and relaxation after my first year of teaching forty- five students in grades five and six combined. I had no training in elementary education but was told there would be a blessing in obedience. In 1955, five months before my final vows, I left the convent due to health problems and returned to the home of my parents.

Back in the world, I was able to get on with my life, by completing my education at the University of Minnesota, earning a Bachelor of Science Degree in Elementary Education, and in 1957, married a man from a staunch Catholic family. We were blessed with two children. My husband's brother is a priest in our diocese; a humble, sweet man who writes poetry about nature, God, and his church.

SALVATION'S MEANING BROUGHT HOME

In 1972, my children, then ages twelve and five, were invited to a neighborhood backyard Bible club. We asked our priest-uncle if they could attend; he didn't seem to be concerned about it and gave his consent. This had to be the work of God! From that point on, our lives were dramatically changed!

The children came home each day with Bible verses to memorize. When they recited them, God touched my heart as well as theirs. I learned the most important truth about myself--I was a sinner, and, as such, was separated from God! Because God permits no sin or sinner in heaven, I was lost! How was I going to solve this sin issue? I wanted to be sure I would go to heaven when I died. I decided to study the Bible on my own. John 17:17, in which Jesus said to God, "Sanctify them through thy truth; thy word is truth", was the first verse the Holy Spirit used to undergird my study of salvation.

My search for answers began in Acts 16:31, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved", and Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Moving on to Romans, I learned that Christ satisfied the just demands of a Holy God for judgment on sin by His death on the Cross. "Therefore, we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law" (Romans 3:28).

It was an overwhelming realization that none of my past sins had ever been dealt with, even though I had confessed them to the priest and performed the prescribed penance! Going to confession had given me a counterfeit peace and security that my sins had been forgiven by the words of the priest plus the doing of penance. Actually, the priest does not have the power to forgive sins even if he claims he does so in the name of Jesus. Our sins are forgiven only by appropriating the shed blood of Jesus in our place.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God" (Romans 3:23-25).
God has never given authority to any person to make the decision as to whether another person's sins will be forgiven or not, as He is the only one who truly knows what is in that person's heart. My search caused me to be able to answer the question I asked of myself while in the convent as to why Jesus had to die on the Cross. Jesus paid the price for my sin by His death on the Cross! Jesus paid our hell-death penalty in full. Yes, we deserve hell for our sins. Remember, under no circumstance, will God allow sin or a sinner in His heaven. Jesus paid the penalty for our sin so we can spend eternity with God in heaven. The time had come for me to make a decision. Acting on the Bible, as my sole, absolute, and final authority of faith, I received Christ as my Savior in May of 1973. I wanted to shout from the roof tops so all the world could hear what Jesus has done for them by His substitutionary atonement and shed blood. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).

TRUE CHRISTIAN FAITH AND THE ROMAN SYSTEM

As I witnessed to my Catholic friends and relatives, I saw more clearly that the eternal destiny of many souls was at stake here. I was grieved by their response to the Gospel, they continued to believe that the Catholic Church was the one true church and they trusted it for salvation regardless of what the Bible said. In other words, they had been brought up allowing other human beings or a set of man-made rules to do their thinking for them. In 1545, the Council of Trent declared that church tradition was of equal authority with the Bible. To put anything on a par with or above God's Word is idolatry! In fact, the "leaven" of the Catholic system is the discrediting of the Bible as the sole, absolute, and final authority of faith.

We must think of God rightfully as He is revealed to us through His Word. God the Father and God the Son are one. In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." Because Jesus Christ is God, our sins have been cleansed in the blood of God; only the perfect blood of God could wash them completely away in order to thus satisfy the demands of a holy and righteous God. The ground of my salvation or the basis of my justification is the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ, and, when I, by faith, receive (appropriate) the substitutionary atonement of Jesus in my place as full payment of my hell-death penalty, God imputes the righteousness of Jesus Christ to me. That is, He reckons me as righteous. In no way am I righteous of myself, and as such in no way can I save myself or keep myself saved; it is all of Jesus! Jesus Christ is my righteousness. It is only "in Christ" that I am righteous. I am not worthy to approach God of myself. However, when I approach God in my substitute, that is, in Christ, I am accounted worthy to do so by God because He sees me in the perfect righteousness of His Son! Justification of the believer is instantaneous.

The Catholic system denies that we are justified by that faith which receives and rests on Christ alone for salvation which is freely offered to us by grace. Instead, they teach we are justified, not simply by faith in Christ, but by faith which has become activated by good works. This faith, as taught in the Catholic system, is said to justify the sinner, not because it rests on the righteousness of Christ, but because it is a righteousness inherent in man, a righteousness which is the product of baptism which makes an individual capable of obedience to the teaching of the Catholic system of divine grace through the sacraments. Justification is not of faith, but of the sacraments. So, therefore, the justification of the Catholic individual is progressive, being regenerated by baptism, being purified from time to time by confession and penance, growing in grace and holiness through the reception of the other sacraments, so that one day he or she will be holy enough to make it to purgatory! So, then, the Catholic believes he is accepted by God by his inherent righteousness which has been sacramentally infused at baptism and nourished by the worthy reception of the other sacraments. As the Catholic receives sanctifying grace attached to each sacrament, he or she is taught that he or she actually becomes righteous or holy on the basis of his own intrinsic word without any righteousness imputed.

MY MISSION FIELD

The differences between the true Christian faith and the Roman Catholic system were becoming so obvious to me that in 1976, I left the Catholic Church and took my place with Bible-believing Christians. When I was saved in 1973, I told the Lord that I would be willing to go to the mission field anywhere. He took me at my word, and, in 1994, sent me to my mission field--dialysis. He permitted my kidney to fail first, and in order to survive, I need dialysis therapy three times a week. I thank and praise God in these circumstances as He has given me the opportunity to share His precious Gospel of Grace with seriously ill patients who need to prepare to meet God!

Taken from: The Truth Set Us Free: Twenty Former Nuns Tell Their Stories



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Richard Bennett, Editor With Mary Hertel

The Book

Under the title The Truth Set Us Free: Twenty Former Nuns Tell Their Stories, this important new collection is now available. The testimonies give authentic first hand documentation of how under the authority of the Bible by the grace of God alone, these women saw through the Roman Catholic system.

Many Catholics exhibit intense, consistent, and often covert interest in the testimonies of nuns who have left "Holy Mother Church". It stands to reason that the drawing card for these readers, haunted by their own lack of peace with God, is that in these testimonies of the Catholic system's own dedicated women leaving her and surviving, there may be a clue for them personally. Indeed, they may be right--since the thread which binds the testimonies together is the witness of the truth of the Bible as the factor which converted each nun from Roman Catholicism to true faith in God through Jesus Christ alone.

The second purpose of the collection is to inform truthfully all Bible believing churches and people about the realities of the Roman system. These converted women straightforwardly articulate the deception which they had been taught, the form of the deception which they had lived, and the truth which has set them free.

In form, the book is classic: each woman tells her own story. Strong draught which destroys today's proffered ecumenical sop, these testimonies of conversion from the Roman Catholic system to Biblical faith which these women voice are wrung from their hearts, by the Spirit. Thus the conflict--some of it of long duration, some of it quite intense--reflects clearly the light of Scripture as each tells of how that light circumcised her own heart.

Bobbye answered on 12/07/06:

Yes, many have! My aunt has witnessed to nuns for years, with many accepting Jesus as Saviour. Their commitment and dedication are great in The Master's Vineyard!

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 12/05/06 - Priests and the Eucharist

Do priest really have the power to change bread into God?
Elevation of the Host: At his ordination the Priest received from Jesus the power to change bread and wine into his Body and Blood. The priest uses that power at the consecration of the Mass. We look at the Host and say, My Lord and My God. The New Saint Joseph Sunday Missal, Canadian Edition, page 30

Bobbye answered on 12/05/06:

NO! And no where in Scripture did even Jesus "turn bread into God," so this eliminates priests/ministers, etc. (Yes, "etc.," as Ted Kennedy served the Eucharist at the home of Ethel Kennedy the day the news came of John Kennedy, Jr.'s death. However, he nor anyone there turned bread into God!)

Season's blessings,
Bobbye
P.S. If the priests have received this power, why not other ministers? "God is no respector of persons!"

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MaggieB asked on 11/27/06 - I find the following to be true, what say ye?

There have always been those who distort the Gospel message - always
those who remove the sufficiency of the Cross or the necessity of a
repentant heart. The "world" rewards those who dilute the truth of
Christ with the philosophy of man and his methods of
success. Unfortunately, false teachers will continue to abound and
will always have an audience.

But we must refuse to compromise! We have been given the Word of God -
a message of truth. And while this message is a wonderful blessing, it
also carries an incredible responsibility. We are called to know this
message and apply its principles of forgiveness, grace, and love as we
live a life devoted to holiness, thanksgiving, and praise. We then
must share this message of absolute truth with others at every opportunity.

Our time here is very, very short. We are "a mist that appears for a
little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14). Some of us may vanish in
a few days, others not for many years - but we will ALL vanish. What
remains in the end will ONLY be that which is done according to truth
and for the glory of God

p/c

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 11/27/06:

As Scripture admonishes us: "Let it be yea and amen!"

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Misha. asked on 11/27/06 - The Message

If the god of the Jews & the Christians wanted his good news spread far & wide why did he not make his "word" clear for all to see?

Pete

ps.... and why did he appoint a pair of tossers like Tom & Pedder to be his ambassadors?

Bobbye answered on 11/27/06:

Pete, I've often complained of the confusing work of the "translators." Just from studying N.T. Greek (Koine, not classical Greek), I've been frustrated at times at some of the words chosen, rather than their choosing another (simpler word) for clarity. But the translators were not necessarily thinking "English" during translation sessions.

However, the message of God's Word is clear and IT IS TRUTH! It is revealed to us through the Power of The Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "When He (The Holy Spirit) is come, He will lead and guide you in all truth."

Each day I pray that the truth of God's Word will be revealed CLEARLY to me by The Holy Spirit.

And why does He appoint any of us to be His ambassadors? IT'S CALLED MERCY! The Bible tells us that "we are ambassadors for Christ." That's any believer. However, many of us have to be honed, polished, and hammered for years to get it right.

Be blessed, Pete.
Bobbye

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Misha. asked on 11/24/06 - Toms777

I think Toms777 is low life. He hides under "rocks" & uses his family to "bash" nice people.

What do you think?

Be brave:)

Bobbye answered on 11/24/06:

Pete, you know I'm in your corner, thus my pointing out that Toms is not related to "he/she/it," nor to Maddawg. I've deducted the Maddawg info while examing the distance between Canada (Toms)and Kentucky (or somewhere in that area for Maddawg).

Toms will post and the others in question join in. Toms speaks much truth. However, we don't always agree, as we didn't agree recently re a post. Toms said, "No." I and Dr. Gade responded "Yes," and we were outnumbered; while others posted their belief. No fireworks. Just posting, as it should be.

Pete, as I said above, "I'm in your corner." In fact, I continue to pray that you will find peace through your loss; and in that peace you will return to that which you once believed.

Finally, ALL OF US ON THIS BOARD NEED TO WORK ON THE WAY WE PHRASE OUR RESPONSES! I will concede that point to you. There are instances where responses come through as anger; attack, etc., when all we were doing was questioning. The Apostle Thomas has been accused of "unbelief" or "doubting," when all he was doing was INQUIRING! HIS INQUIRY HAS GIVEN US MUCH TRUTH CONCERNING THE RESURRECTED CHRIST!

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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Mich3 asked on 11/23/06 - The old Testiment

Can anyone tell me if there were two brothers, who wrote two different books in the old testment...

Bobbye answered on 11/24/06:

O.T., father and son: David and Solomon.
However, no brothers are credited with authoring any of the Old Testament books.

N.T., James and Jude, the Lord's brothers. However, neither refers to himself as such in his epistle -- choosing to call themselves "bondservants of Jesus Christ."
(See Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:31.)

They were not apostles, and did not believe in Jesus until after The Resurrection.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 11/24/06 - Is Mary still a Virgin?

There seems to be a conflict on whether Mary is still a virgin. Which source should be accept?

The Roman Church states:
"O God, You were pleased to honor the Order of Carmel by the singular title of Your most Blessed Mother, Mary ever Virgin." Mary My Hope, page 61
"You are blessed among women, chosen above all others to be the Mother of God and yet remain a Virgin. Ibid. Mary My Hope page 110
We honor Mary, the Ever-virgin mother of Jesus Christ our Lord. Living with Christ Sunday Missal 1988, page 26.

But the Bible says:
Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1:25 And KNEW HER NOT TILL she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Matthew 13:54-57 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

Bobbye answered on 11/24/06:

"And KNEW HER NOT 'till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus." Matthew 1:25

This is found in the same passage that termed her a "virgin." Then after the birth of Jesus her husband (Joseph)"knew her."

Very clear that Mary was not a perpetual virgin.

BTW, Misha, virgins DON'T give birth -- unless your child is "born of The Holy One!"

As the old pop tune goes: "Who can explain it? Fools give you reasons; wise men never try."

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 11/19/06 - Since Peter was married would he have been disqualified from being the "first pope"?

This question came to mind as I have been following the Vatican's debate upon celebacy.

Here is the Scriptures that show Peter was married
Luke 4:38 And Simon's WIFE'S mother was taken with a great fever.


Here are recent articles on the debate on celibacy:
The Associated Press VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict and top Vatican officials will hold a meeting to discuss requests for lifting the celibacy requirements made by Roman Catholic priests seeking to marry or who have already married, the Vatican said Monday.
The summit will take place on Thursday and was called because of the recent excommunication of Archbishop Emmanuel Milingo, the Vatican said in a statement.
The Pope called the meeting to examine the implications of the disobedience of the Zambian prelate, who was excommunicated in September for installing four married men as bishops.
Milingo had previously angered the Holy See in 2001, when he was married tgo a South Korean acupuncturist chosen for him by Rev. Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church, in a group wedding ceremony in New York.
Upon appeal from Pope John Paul II a few months later, he renounced that union.
Milingo disappeared from his residence outside Rome in June resurfacing a month later in Washington D.C., to announce that he was back with his wife and was championing the cause of married priests through his new advocacy group Married Priests Now.
The Synod of Bishops in October 2005 rejected suggestions that the manditory celibacy requirement for priests be dropped.
But Milingos excommunication has brought the issue back into the spotlight. Pope to discuss priests marriage celibacy Calgary Herald, November 14, 2006, page A10.

Richard Foot, CanWest News Service - Hundreds of Roman Catholic priests across Canada, who left their clergical ministries to get married, were expected to hold private prayer vigils Wednesday night on the e3ve of an extraordinary meeting at the Vatican, to discuss the churchs centuries old rule on celibacy.
Pope Benedict has summoned senior Vatican officials today for a reflection on the traditional Catholic ban on priestly marriage, one of the most contentious issues facing the church
While no one expects the Pope to lift the ban any time soon, some hold hope that change is in the air.
This meeting could be a sign that attitudes are changing in the upper levels of the Vatican, says Jim Noonan, a member of the Ottawa chapter of Corpus, a North American organization of married Catholic priests who want the church to relax its rules on celibacy.
I think the Pope is beginning to realize that with the extreme shortage of priests around the world, he has to do something, says Noonan. Many of us have been saying for years that if you accept married priests, youll get many more people who are prepared to serve. It may be an answer to a very serious problem.
The Vatican has warned todays meeting has not been called to make quick changes to its celibacy rules, but to discuss the disobedience of Milingo.
Yet, the Vatican also said the meeting will consider requests for exemptions to the rules, particularly for priests who left the church to get married and now want to come back. Vatican reflection on celibacy raises hopes for change, Calgary Herald, November 16th, 2006, page A13

Frances DEmilo, The Associated Press, VATICAN CITY - The Vatican on Thursday reaffirmed the value of celibacy for priests after a summit led by Pope Benedict that was spurred by a married African archbishop who had been excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church.
The Three-hour meetings conclusions were not a change in how the present rules on celibacy are applied, Rev. Federico Lombardi, a Vatican spokesman, said by telephone.
The summit yielded no change in the current disciple of the church on the celibacy requirement, he said.
The value of the choice of priestly celibacy, according to Catholic tradition, has been reaffirmed, the Vatican said in a brief statement summing up the meeting of top prelates for joint reflection with the Pope.
The statement did not cite any figures, but there are estimated to be at least 100,000 married priests worldwide, with about 25,000 of them in the United States and around 400 in Canada. Papal summit refuses to flinch on celibacy, Calgary Herald, November 17th, 2006, page A26


Bobbye answered on 11/19/06:

Arcura:

The Jews knew from the old scriptures that the "Son of God" denoted Deity and that the Lord is called "a Rock": "He is THE ROCK... the Rock that begat thee... our Rock. Deut.32:4,18,31. "Who is a rock save our GOD?" Psalms 18:31.

Thus the apostles had no misunderstanding of Christ's words after Peter's confession, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God," that not on a mere man, not on Peter ("Petros," a stone), but on this Rock ("Petra," a great rock, Christ) "I will build my church." Matt. 16:16,18.

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 11/19/06 - Can a bishop be celibate

The following qualifications are required for a bishop.

1 Timothy 4:1-2: This is a true saying, If a man desire to be a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop must be blameless, the HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE

Bobbye answered on 11/19/06:

Dawg, this has been debated for centuries;i.e., that "a bishop must be married."

The term "husband of one wife" was addressing polygamy. NO ONE HAS TO HAVE A WIFE TO DO ANYTHING FOR GOD -- NOR A HUSBAND. "If ye be WILLING and OBEDIENT, ye shall eat of the good of the land." Some who serve (even pastors) are obedient, but complain every step of the way. You have to be "willing" also to qualify for "the good of the land!"

However, a marriage partner in any office (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher) is not only a helpmeet, but great protection from "the very appearance of evil" should false witness be offered against a minister.

If the inference I'm seeing from your post is that "marriage is mandatory for the office of a bishop," the Apostle Paul certainly would not qualify. Of course, that would be a step down, as a "bishop" is merely an overseer. Apostleship embraces not only oversight, but ability, the call of God, and God's special anointing -- for myriad subjects, events, and circumstances.

Blessings,
Bobbye

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Mich3 asked on 11/19/06 - What is sin?

can anyone tell me exactly what sin is? Are there different kinds of sin, or is sin just that, sin?

What I mean is, are there little sins and big sins? Do we go to hell for all kinds of sin, no matter what?

Bobbye answered on 11/19/06:

NO! Mankind will not enter Hell because of sin. Hell was designed for the Devil and his angels.

Mankind's only sin that will cause him to miss Heaven (thereby choosing Hell as his eternal destiny) is REJECTION OF JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOUR.

Does God's mercy give us a license to sin?

OF COURSE NOT! God's mercy to us through Salvation by His Son, Jesus Christ, is that which restrains us from "sinning all the more," as explained by the Apostle Paul.

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Perhaps this will help:

I. SIN is a term used mainly in a religious context to describe an act that violates a moral code of conduct or the state of having committed such a violation.

In monotheistic religions, the code of conduct is determined by God. Colloquially, any thought, word, or act considered immoral, shameful, harmful, or alienative might be termed "sinful".

SEVEN DEADLY SINS:
Many people fear a list of seven sins that God supposedly will not forgive. This list is known as the seven deadly sins.

Is the idea of seven deadly sins Biblical? YES AND NO!

Proverbs 6:16-19 declares: There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination (detestable)to him:

(1) haughty eyes

(2) a lying tongue,

(3) hands that shed innocent blood,

(4) a heart that devises wicked schemes,

(5) feet that are quick to rush into evil,

(6) a false witness who pours out lies,
and

(7) a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

However, this list is not what most people understand as the seven deadly sins.

Most people understand the list of the seven deadly sins to be: pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed, and sloth. ALTHOUGH EACH OF THESE ARE UNDENIABLY SINS, THEY ARE NEVER GIVEN THE DESCRIPTION OF "THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS" IN THE BIBLE.

The traditional list of the seven deadly sins can function as a good way to categorize the many different sins that exist. Nearly every kind of sin could be placed under one of the seven categories. More importantly, however, is that we realize these seven sins are no more deadly than any other sin.

ALL SIN RESULTS IN DEATH (ROMANS 6:23). PRAISE BE TO GOD, THAT THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, ALL OF OUR SINS, INCLUDING THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS, CAN BE FORGIVEN (MATTHEW 26:28; ACTS 10:43; EPHESIANS 1:7).

II. INIQUITY : EVIL
Synonyms: abomination, baseness, crime, evildoing, heinousness, immorality, infamy, injustice, misdeed, offense, sin, sinfulness, tort, unfairness, unrighteousness, wickedness, wrong, wrongdoing

III. TRANSGRESSION: TO BREAK GOD'S LAW!
VIOLATION OR BREAKING OF A LAW.

Synonyms: breach, contravention, crime, defiance, disobedience, encroachment, erring, error, fault, infraction, infringement, iniquity, lapse, misbehavior, misdeed, misdemeanor, offense, overstepping, sin, slip, trespass, vice, wrong, wrongdoing.
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Mich, when we sin we have an ADVOCATE (One who pleads our case for us) with The Father (God The Father). Jesus is seated at the right hand of The Father, making intercession (pleading our case) for us! THANKS BE TO GOD!

Therefore, according to I John 1:9, "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness."

When you sin, just confess it to God, through Jesus Christ, and then turn from the thing that is causing you to stumble.

True repentance prevents us from repeating the same sin time and again.

Glad you posted this question. You obviously have some thoughts about sin, or someone has instilled fear in you. God's perfect love for us casts out fear! Thank God!

Be blessed,
Bobbye







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CeeBee2 asked on 11/18/06 - Thanksgiving. What are your thoughts?

In the U.S. the fourth Thursday of November is set aside as a holiday, Thanksgiving Day. Americans gather to share a meal and to give thanks for all the blessings they have received during the past year.

What is ONE blessing you are especially thankful for this Thanksgiving?

Bobbye answered on 11/18/06:

I'm thankful that God spared my niece's life recently. She is a college professor of English in CA. Recently, someone ran a stop sign and her car was T-boned. She had but hours to live (hole in her heart and lung; pelvis shattered, etc., etc., according to her twin brother's report from the doctor), but God spared her after much prayer all over America for her. She is recovering and we look forward to her return to the classroom, though it may be the late Spring.

I thank God for this miracle!
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JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE WHAT MY SISTER HAS POSTED ON OUR FAMILY WEBSITE RE THANKSGIVING:

THE FIRST THANKSGIVING IN AMERICA: 1621

The Pilgrims were a group of Puritans who landed at Plymouth Rock, in what is now Massachusetts, United States, in 1620. In 1621, Governor William Bradford of New England proclaimed a day of thanksgiving and prayer to celebrate the Pilgrims' first harvest in America.

United States president Abraham Lincoln, following the precedent of a number of states, designated a national Thanks-giving Day in 1863.

Now, Thanksgiving Day is the fourth Thursday of November.
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HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Bobbye

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richturner asked on 11/17/06 - Inquiring Minds Want to Know

This is actually an Old Testament question about Noah and the Ark, but I figured that we have enough people here who are knowledgeable about the Bible to make it worth asking.

I understand that, after the flood receded and the ark made landfall, Noah sacrificed some animals to give thanks to God for warning him about the flood and saving the lives of his family and thousands of diverse animals. Now, Noah had loaded the animals two by two into the ark, presumably to ensure the survival of each kind of animal. While I can understand Noah's reverential act of sacrificing animals after the flood, wouldn't this be rather foolish for wouldn't it mean the extinction of whatever kinds of animals Noah chose to sacrifice (unless the females were already pregnant, and he sacrificed the males)? Wasn't that contrary to the plan? Could those who take the Bible literally enlighten me on this point?

Now, I admit to being a skeptic about the ark story, partly because I could not conceive of Noah's building an ark big enough to hold a pair of all existing animals at the time (excepting, of course, those that could survive in water for 40 days and 40 nights). However, some websites I've visited point out that the ark was huge: 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high (that's based on conversion of Egyptian cubits into modern measurement). It just might have been feasible, though conditions must have been quite crowded. I'm not sure how Noah kept animals from devouring or at least fighting with each other. I'm also not sure how the animals could have been fed, though there must have been plenty of fish in the water for those that would eat fish. And the situation with animal excrement must have been a formidable challenge. Yet I suppose that anyone in that day with the skills to construct an ark that huge might have had the genius to solve all these problems.

All these things, I'm sure, can be explained. However, it's the animal sacrifice piece that is keeping me awake at nights. Could someone explain that and perhaps also shed some light on the other details I've mentioned, such as how Noah and his family kept the animals fed and under control during the 40-day/40-night duration of the flood?

Bobbye answered on 11/18/06:

No. 1: "...wouldn't it mean the extinction of whatever kinds of animals Noah chose to sacrifice (unless the females were already pregnant, and he sacrificed the males...?"

NO! Why did God say TWO of each kind and then SEVEN of THE CLEAN BEASTS?

TWO of each kind assured the perpetuation of the animal kingdom (clean and unclean).

"Then SEVEN" guaranteed the perpetuation of clean beasts, as Noah was to offer sacrifices, leaving two of each "clean animal" for perpetuity. (However, we don't know the number sacrificed, but we know that at least 2 were left.)

Although The Flood eradicated everyone but Noah and his family, the practice of sacrificial animals was instituted in The Beginning (thus Cain's dilemma) and was to be continued UNTIL Christ's sacrifice at Calvary -- The Lamb without spot or blemish -- whereupon animal sacrifices were no longer required.
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NO. 2: ANIMALS NOT CARNIVOROUS:

A. I'll first discuss the animals and why they did not devour each other.

UP TO THE FLOOD, APPARENTLY BOTH MEN AND ANIMALS WERE NOT FLESH-EATING SPECIES. There were no carnivorous animals. This premise is based upon Isaiah 11:6-7 where we are told that in the Millennium the lion and the lamb will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like an ox -- indicating the "original state of aniamls."

Man will not be the only one (thing) returned to the "original state" during The Millemmium. The curse will be removed from the earth (the ground); the judgment of mankind will be removed (placed upon Adam and Eve for their disobedience); and there will be perfect peace, among man and beasts.

B. FEEDING THE ANIMALS: Genesis 6:21-22, "And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and and for them." NO NEED TO FISH. Noah was instructed to take feed into The Ark for man and animals. "Hay" (straw) is covered above, so obviously quite a bit of hay was consumed.

C. RE THE REMOVAL OF EXCREMENT: Scripture does not discuss this aspect, but when God gave Noah instructions for such an original fete, we can be sure that no detail was overlooked.

Please remember that The Ark was 4 stories, so animals and family were separated. "The ventilation as covered herein re the window around the entire Ark (The Ark floated atop the water) brought in fresh air and provided proper ventilation.

D. DISCIPLINE OF THE ANIMALS: Just as God led the animals to The Ark, God kept them "under control." Also, they were not flesh-eating as mentioned above. It wasn't until Noah, his famly, and the animals alighted from The Ark that man began eating meat. So we can assume that animals began to devour other animals.

Also, common sense and experience with animal husbandry teaches that "when animals are in fear, they run to man." Look at the wild animals appearing in neighborhoods; swimming pools, street corners, etc., when hungry or frightened, particularly of forest fires. The recent Tsaumi proved this poiint. If the people had paid attention to the action of the animals, they would have moved to higher ground with the animals and thousands would have been spared.

E. THE ARK: The word "ark" means "box." An Egyptian word from which this term may be drawn means "chest" or "coffin;" the same term is used of the "box" in which the baby Moses was placed in the Nile: Exodus 2:3.

Gopher wood: Almost indestructible.

"Rooms" has the idea of nest. The elephone would need a room, but the mole would not need quite that much space.

We usually picture a boat or ship with bow and stern. But a ship is designed to move through the water as a conveyance; the ark was built mere TO FLOAT ON THE WATER. Therefore, Noah was building the largest "floating box" to ever exist.

Genesis 6:15KJV "And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The LENGTH OF THE ARK SHALL BE 300 CUBITS, THE BREADTH OF IT 50 CUBITS, AND THE HEIGHT OF IT 30 CUBITS.

Note: The cubit is about 18 inches (1-1/2 feet). Hence, the ark was about 450 FEET LONG; 75 FEET WIDE, AND 45 FEET HIGH.

Length: 300 cubits (450 ft. long)
Breadth 50 cubits ( 75 ft. wide)
Height 30 cubits ( 45 ft. high)

In Word War II the "New Mexico," one of the U.S. battleships, was built 624 feet long; 106-1/4 feet wide, and with a mean draught of 29-1/2 feet. BY COMPARISON, the ARK had practically the SAME RATIO. So with the ARK you had a boat that would compare favorably with the way they build ships today.

"THE NEW MEXICO"
624 ft. long
106-1/3 ft. wide
29-1/2 feet deep

THE ARK: THE IDEA OF "NESTING" DESCRIBES "ROOMS" FOR THE ANIMALS AND NOAH'S FAMILY.

The length was 450 feet (1 1/2 times the lnegth of a football field), it was 75 feet wide and 45 feet high (about the height of a 4 story building.

75 ft. wide
45 ft. high (Depth: the water was going to be deep enough to cover the entire earth, BUT THE ARK WOULD FLOAT ATOP THE FLOOD WATERS.)

Also, there was a window at the top of the Ark. Genesis 6:16 "A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit (18 inches) shalt thou finish it above...."

THE WINDOW WAS NOT A LITTLE SLIT MADE IN THE SIDE OF THE ARK. The "window" was an "opening." The need for circulation of air, yet protection from the torrents of water demanded a good deal of engineering and crafting. This opening could be covered by the overhang of the roof.

The window was 18 inches (one cubit)and went obviously overlapped the window quite a bit. This is the way you would ventilate a gymnasium today. Also, when you house animals, as at a circus, the buildings in which animals are housed have the same type window that goes AROUND THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. Even with all the animals they had in the ark, it was not an unpleasant place to be. GOD THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING IN HIS MASTER BLUEPRINT FOR THE ARK!

Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives were eating and sleeping in the ark for one year -- so the window that wound around the ark provided proper ventilation.
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You have answered your own posts with your own words;i.e., "Yet I suppose that anyone in that day with the skills to construct an ark that huge might have had the genius to solve all these problems."

And all the problems were solved -- before Noah hammered the first nail. God's omniscience covered it all!

This is one of my favorite Bible lessons. Though some may not believe in the Biblical account of The Flood, these same people will refute the possibility of a Biblical Flood with "such accounts are given in other literature and beliefs." Why believe those accounts and omit The Biblical account?
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YOU CAN NOW SLEEP, KNOWING:

(1) Seven clean animals provided the sacrifice, while retaining two for perpetuity of each species. Sacrifice was instituted after The Fall of Man and was continued until Calvary. The first sacrifice was when God provided the "covering" from the slain animal for Adam and Eve -- a type and shadow of Christ's righteousness as our covering.

(2) God instructed Noah concerning "food."
No fishing necessary, as they could not leave The Ark, nor were they instructed to bring fishing poles to use from the window.
Noah brought the food with him.

(3) Just as the animals were peaceful upon entering The Ark, they remained peaceful during The Flood. The same God Who led them in peacefully, kept them in peace. Just as God will do during The Millennium reign of Christ on earth: "...the lion shall lie down with the lamb..."

BTW, Noah was 600 years old (Gen. 7:6-9) when The Flood began (40 days and 40 nights it rained); yet the total time of the events of The Flood was 371 days. In the first month of "the six hundredth and first year, the waters were dried up from off the earth." Genesis 8:13. Noah was 600 when he went into The Ark (500 years old when Shem was born). Methusaleh died when Noah was 600 years old -- the time of The Flood. One of the meanings of Methusaleh's name is: "And when he is gone then will it come." IT DID!

In the seventh month (Gen. 8:4) the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Yet, the waters decreased continually until the 10th month, when the tops of the mountains were seen. Then 40 days later Noah opened the window of The Ark.

BUT GOD! No way to explain such an event!

Be blessed,
bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/18/06 - Pilate asked Jesus, "What is truth?"

The question was probably rhetorical, delivered with a deep sigh.

So I ask you, What is truth?

Bobbye answered on 11/18/06:

The actual facts of any question or subject matter at hand. Jesus said, "I am the way; the truth...." TRUTH OF HIS DEITY; HIS VIRGIN BIRTH; HIS IDENTITY, ETC., ETC.,ETC.

Pilate was seeking "truth" concerning Jesus' claims; His miracles; His purpose on earth, etc.

There is truth of anthropology; truth of science; truth of all matter; truth of any belief system; truth of a particular legal system; truth of linguistics; truth of relationships; truth in evidence; truth in testimony, etc.

There can also be "truth" concerning (exposing) erroneous information or facts.

As stated above, "... actual facts of any question or subject matter."

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 11/16/06 - Officialy how many planets are there?????????????

Officially Our Solar System is made up of:

1.Gas giant Planets.
2.Rocky mid sized planets
3.Dwarf Planets

The Gas Giant planets are:
1. Jupiter
2. Saturn
3. Uranus
4. Neptune.

The rocky mid sized planets are:

1. Earth
2. Venus
3. Mars
4. Mercury

The Dwarf planets are:
1. Pluto
2. 2003 UB313
3. Ceres
4. 2003 EL 8t
5. 2005 FY9
6. Sedna
7. Orcus
8. Quaoar
9. 2002 TX300
10. 2002 AW197
11. Varuna
12. Ixion
13. Vesta
14, Pallas
15. Hygiea
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Total: 23 so far.
Likely there are more to be discovered.

Bobbye answered on 11/18/06:

Eight (earth is a "given," so not counted among the eight)! Pluto was kicked to the curb recently.

Bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 11/18/06 - What if someone believes that Jesus was a real,

historical person who died on the cross to take away the sins of the world, but doesn't believe there was a world-wide flood.

Does his not believing in a world-wide flood cancel out his belief in Jesus and his faith that Jesus is his personal Savior?

Bobbye answered on 11/18/06:

NO! Not every one believes every account in the Bible. The Rev. Billy Graham obviously does not beieve in I Corinthians 12 ("The Nine Gifts of The Holy Spirit" and the manifestation of these Gifts present day), as he does not advocate The Baptism With The Holy Spirit. Does this cancel his Salvation? Of course not.

John 3:16 answers your question most specifically: "For God so loved the world -- that whosoever believeth IN HIM should not perish...." Nothing more! Nothing less!

Jesus said: "I am the way ("the gate"), the truth and the life...." Nothing more! Nothing less!

Happy Thanksgiving.
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 11/12/06 - WHERE'S GOD ...



... when you're in pain? Test your FAITH and you'll find out!

HANK

* Have you ever seen/heard the Gaither family perform on Public Television? Once you do you'll never forget the experience!

Bobbye answered on 11/12/06:

He's there all the time!

Yes, I've enjoyed the Gaithers' music for years;i.e., "He Touched Me;" "So Glad I'm a Part of the Family of God," etc., etc., etc.

Bobbye

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Choux... asked on 11/11/06 - War Casualties and Religion

Follow-up from previous comments to Hank's question.

From achives dot gov:::

US Casualties VietNam (1963-1973) **56,938**

By Race:::

Native American 226
Caucasian 50,120
Mayaysian 252
Mongolian 116
Negro 7,264
Unk 215

Most By relig:::

Bapt, other 9,478
Luth, Mis Sy 2,251
Method 4,079
Prot, no pref 16,664
Cath 16,815

Jewish(for excon) 269

Many other religions represented in lesser #'s

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As I mentioned in my answer, from the period 1963-1973 when the peace agreement was ironed out, there were no significent changes in the terms of the peace agreement...for ten years!! And, as you see, FROM 1963-1973 over 56,000 men and women DIED FOR NOTHING.

This is THE HORRIFIC RESULT of a policy of ENDLESS WAR, ENDLESS WAR, MINDLESS WAR, MINDLESS WAR.

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Bobbye answered on 11/11/06:

Yes! "Endless, mindless war!"

Thanks for the info.
Bobbye

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STONY asked on 11/10/06 - A GOOD STORY FROM THE LIBRARY OF LIFE...

Subject: Which flower are you?

Why do I always have to be the one that starts to do laundry and there's no detergent? I guess it was time for me to do my "Dollar Store" run, which included light bulbs, paper towels, trash bags and Clorox. So off I go.

I scurried around the store, gathered up my goodies, and headed for the checkout counter only to be blocked in the narrow aisle by a young man that appeared to be about sixteen-years-old. I wasn't in a hurry, so I patiently waited for the boy to realize that I was there.

This was when he waved his hands excitedly in the air and declared in a loud voice, "Mommy, I'm over here". It was obvious now, he was mentally challenged, and also startled as he turned and saw me standing so close to him, waiting to squeeze by.

His eyes widened and surprise exploded on his face as I said, "Hey Buddy, what's your name?" "My name is Denny and I'm shopping with my mother," he responded proudly. "Wow," I said, "that's a cool name; I wish my name was Denny, but my name is Hal". " "Hal like Halloween?" he asked. "Yes," I answered. "How old are you Denny? "How old am I now Mommy?" he asked his mother as she slowly came over from the next aisle. "You're fifteen-years-old Denny; now be a good boy and let the man pass by."

I acknowledged her and continued to talk to Denny for several more minutes about summer, bicycles and school. I watched his brown eyes dance with excitement because he was the center of someone's attention. He then abruptly turned and headed toward the toy section.

Denny's mom had a puzzled look on her face and thanked me for taking the time to talk with her son. She told me that most people wouldn't even look at him, much less talk to him. I told her that it was my pleasure and then I said something I have no idea where it came from, other than by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. I told her that there are plenty of red, yellow and pink roses in God's garden, however, "Blue Roses" are very rare and should be appreciated for their beauty and distinctiveness. You see, Denny is a "Blue Rose" and if someone doesn't stop and smell that rose with their heart and touch that rose with their kindness, then they've missed a blessing from God. She was silent for a second, then with a tear in her eye she asked, "Who are you?" Without thinking I said, "Oh, I'm probably just a "daffodil or maybe even a dandelion," but I sure love living in God's garden.

Pastor Hal Steenson This real life story took place July 12, 2006.

HOPE THIS STIRS YOUR HEART ALSO.

Bobbye answered on 11/11/06:

Thanks, Tony. Most of us are too busy to take time for such a simple thing that lifted the heart of this young man -- and his mother.

Be blessed,
Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 10/25/06 - Christianity, what does it mean to you?



Also, has anyone heard from JudgementDay?

Thanks,

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 10/25/06:

LIFE -- MORE ABUNDANTLY! "In Him (Christ Jesus) was life; and the life was the light of men." John 1:4KJV.

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 10/22/06 - Peter Marshal on Gossip:

Peter Marshal on Gossip:
I need Thee, O Lord, for a curb on my tongue; when I am tempted to making carping criticisms and cruel judgments, keep me from speaking barbed words that hurt, and in which I find perverted satisfaction. Keep me from unkind words and unkind silences. Restrain my judgments. Make my criticisms kind, generous and constructive. Make me sweet inside, that I may be gentle with other people, gentle in the things I say, kind in what I do. Create in me that warmth of Mercy that shall enable others to find Thy strength for their weaknesses, Thy peace for their Strife, Thy joy for their sorrow, Thy love for their hatred, Thy compassion for their weaknesses. In thine own strong name. Amen

If we want God to be real to us..we have to meet His terms
And those terms arent for cowards who want cushioned lives

Just a reminder,

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 10/23/06:

A grat reminder, Maggie! There's room for everyone's comments on this Board.

Be blessed,
bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 10/21/06 - POSTS!



Can't we make them SHORT and 'SWEET?' Who has time to read and then comprehend 20 paragraphs? It also takes time to scroll down and click the ANSWER button. The same goes for clarifications. How about it, guys and gals? These long c/p posts are the pits.

HANK

Bobbye answered on 10/21/06:

"Words fitly spoken...."

Thanks for the post. Greatly needed!


I'd like to explore some of these "newspapers," but have to get my news from T.V. and radio due time crunch! LOL

Some lengthy posts are necessary for clarity, but the majority cause a sudden exodus! It's called "clicking the mouse!" Most folks are to the punch line long before the conclusion.

Bobbye

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OneGodFurther asked on 10/21/06 - Introduce Myself

I'd like to introduce myself. A friend recommended this Board on this website because of heavy traffic and strong conversation.

My name is OneGodFurther. Guess I'll just answer some questions and see how it goes.

Sincerely,

OGF

Bobbye answered on 10/21/06:

FRUIT AND NUTS! We have both. We also have a few who are as sturdy as root vegetables.

Regarding "fruit," some here exhibit the fruit of love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. Others will be offended if you dare disagree.

But, as you say, "...see how it goes."

Welcome!
Bobbye
P.S. Haven't we met?

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peddler7118 asked on 10/20/06 - Is it possible for God to be outside of eternity and infinity?

This idea was given to me by a local "expert" by using the argument that all things are possible with God.

The definition of eternity is an endless period of time. Can even God be outside of endless? What is greater than infinity? Is this concept logically possible?

Bobbye answered on 10/21/06:

As nonsensical as, "How can we help God, Who is so busy?" -- which has been posted on this Board in times past!

LOL
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 10/21/06 - Where' a who's who question........................

Who all here have kept the monikers they had since Askme.Com?

Bobbye answered on 10/21/06:

I have, and it's my name.
Bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 10/15/06 - JOHN THE BAPTIST:



Was JOHN the forerunner of Christ?

HANK

Bobbye answered on 10/15/06:

MOST DEFINITELY! Webster defines "forerunner"
thusly:

(1) "ONE GOING OR SENT BEFORE TO GIVE NOTICE OF THE APROACH OF OTHERS."

(2) "ONE WHO GOES BEFORE OR ANNOUNCES THE COMING OF ANOTHER."

JOHN AS "FORERUNNER" QUALIFIES IN BOTH OF THE ABOVE!
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The "word of the Lord" came to John the Baptist in the wilderness to "make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

JOHN RECEIVED MARCHING ORDERS FROM GOD. John the Baptist did not announce that he was "the forerunner." GOD GAVE JOHN INSTRUCTIONS TO "PREPARE THE WAY OF THE LORD!"
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ISAIAH 40:3, "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."

LUKE 3:4; (Also Mark 1:3; John 1:23): "As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, PREPARE YE THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT."

WILLIAM BARCLAY (world-renowned Scottish New Testament interpreter) describes in his scholarly New Testament commentaries: "It was customary in Jewish customs and cultures when royalty was to visit for workmen to smooth (prepare) the rugged, dusty roads ('make straight'). A red carpet was then spread, upon which royalty would enter the city or town over a 'smooth path.'" Thus, John's preparing the way or "making straight the path of the Lord" -- a "FORRUNNER" WHO ANNOUNCED "THE COMING OF THE LORD TO THE JEWS:" MESSIAH!

The Jews had not heard from God in "open vision" (direct communication from God to prophets and priests) in 430 years, for when the Book of Malachi closed, there was no "voice from God" until John the Baptist arrived on the scene -- announcing the coming of Messiah, whereby he "made straight the path." Thus the interest and concern of the Jews regarding his "message."
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MALACHI 4:5-6
"BEHOLD, I WILL SEND YOU ELIJAH THE PROPHET BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE lORD: AND HE SHALL TURN THE HEART OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, AND THE HEART OF THE CHILDREN TO THEIR FATHERS, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE."

The Jews believed that Elijah would return to declare the presence upon earth of the Christ. However, John denied their assumption (John 1;21), but when the multitude questioned Jesus, he said: "If ye will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come." MATTHEW 11:14

FORERUNNER! (The closest analogy in modern-times is "advance teams.")

Blessings,
bobbye
BTW, this is NOT "fundamental rhetoric" that I am parroting -- as some have labeled in the past re fundamental responses on this board. THE ABOVE IS FACT. JUST RESEARCH THE LIFE OF CHRIST AND THE THOUSANDS OF BOOKS AND COMMENTARIES RE THE LIFE OF CHRIST (THAT INCLUDE JOHN THE BAPTIST'S MINISTRY), WHICH WILL SUPPORT THE ABOVE.

"Fundamental rhetoric" on this Board by "illiterates who cannot think for themselves (implied by one who posted and rated others)" is no more fact than if fundamentalists labeled the Lutherans on this Board as citing "Lutheran rhetoric." We've seen some of that, but we classed it as "beliefs." Do fundamentalists not have the same freedom of belief and expression on this Board?

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arcura asked on 10/13/06 - I'll be leaving shortly for a few days.

We're going back up into the mountains away from civilization and working to fight the black evil of the Pine tree Bark Beetle.
When I get back Sunday night or Monday I'll enjoy reading you answers to my questions.
Good bye for now.
Enjoy some peace and kindness,
Fred

Bobbye answered on 10/13/06:

Enjoy the peace and quiet time alone with God and nature. And especially enjoy the turning of the leaves.

A safe trip.
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 10/13/06 - What do you think, was N. Korea's bomb a fake or a fizzle?

U.S. Officials: No Radioactivity Detected on Korean Peninsula
WASHINGTON Tests have failed to detect any radioactive fallout in or around the Korean Peninsula, U.S. officials said Friday.
A U.S. military official confirmed to FOX News that an Air Force plane capable of sampling the atmosphere for radioactivity was dispatched to the region from the Kadena air base in Okinawa, Japan, following North Korea's claim of carrying out a successful nuclear test. The WC-135 plane did not pick up any traces of a nuclear explosion, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Tests conducted by the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization, the U.N. agency that has monitoring stations around the world, also failed to detect radioactive fallout in the region, according to a spokesperson for the group.
A Japanese government official said measurements taken in the area following North Korea's claim showed no sign of radioactivity.
U.S. military and intelligence cautioned Friday that the absence of evidence was not definitive proof that North Korea had not conducted a nuclear test, pointing out that other factors could prevent radioactivity from being detected.
However, seismographic records of the explosion indicate that the blast was far less than that of a nominal bomb equal to 20 kilo tons of TNT.

Bobbye answered on 10/13/06:

Full-scale detonation is what fizzled -- I believe. Absence of measurable radioactivity is no guarantee a test did not take place.

You can be sure that radioactivity was released in small measure prior to our Three Mile Island disaster. Therefore, we're not to be lulled into "dull hearing" from news sources or lack of evidence.

A Fox News debate last evening pointed out that all those nations that have nuclear capability gained it from the U.S., when we armed them to protect themseles from surrounding enemies. ARE WE FACING THE SAME MISTAKE BY ARMING JAPAN? It's on the table as I type.

May God have mercy on us all as nations rattle nuclear rockets!

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 10/11/06 - The queen of heaven

God's wrath was poured out against God's chosen people, for worshipping the queen of heaven. Who was she? Are there any pagan religions that still venerate her?

Here is the Biblical passage speaking about the queen of heaven.
Jeremiah 44:15-23 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queene of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our menf?  Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying, The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind? So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day. Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

Bobbye answered on 10/12/06:

ISHTAR, QUEEN OF HEAVEN! Jeremiah 44:19

As Ishtar, Queen of Heaven, was a Babylonian goddess of fertility, women played a major role in her worship

According to verse 19, "...When we burned incense to the Queen of Heaven" and poured out drink offerings, did not our husbands know that we were making cakes like her image and pouring out drink offerings to her?"

To have validity a religious vow made by a married woman (verse 25) had to be confirmed by her husband (Numbers 30:10-15). Also, Jeremiah 7:18 discusses this pagan worship of Ishtar.

Bobbye

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madddawg asked on 10/11/06 - Does Mary reign over God?

Was Saint Louis Marie de Montfort in error when he wrote:
When we read then in the writings of St. Bernard, Bernadine, Bonadventure and others, that in heaven and on earth, everything, even God Himself, is subject to the blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God has been well pleased to give her is so great that it seems as if she had the same power as God; And her prayers and petitions are so powerful with God that they always pass for commandments with His Majesty, Who never resists the prayer of His dear Mother. True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, pages 17 and 18.

Note: The May 1996 issue of Inside the Vatican, a conservative Roman Catholic Publication, is dedicated to Pope John Paul IIs relationship with the Catholic Mary. The cover shows the pope meditating or praying, and in the background is a full cover sized image of Mary accompanied by the Words, The Most Marion Pope in history has entrusted his pontificate - and his life - to the Virgin Mother of God At the bottom of the cover are the words Totus Tuus, which means totally yours. These are the words the pope has used to describe his devotion to Mary.
Totus Tuus. This phrase is not only an expression of piety or simply an expression of devotion. It is more. During the Second World War, while I was employed as a factory worker, I came to be attracted to Marion devotion. At first it had seemed to me that I should distance myself a bit from the Marion devotion of my childhood to focus more on Christ. Thanks to Saint Louis of Montfort I came to understand that true devotion to the Mother of God is actually Christocentric, indeed, it is very profoundly rooted in the mystery of the blessed trinity, and the mysteries of the incarnation and redemption. O Timothy, Volume 14, Issue 9, 1997, page 6.

Bobbye answered on 10/11/06:

WHO CREATED MARY?

These posting re Mary are getting wild!

Scripture does not support such.

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 10/11/06 - Did it really happed?..........................

Bobbye answered on 10/11/06:

ච REASONS JESUS IS COMING IN 1988!" What happened? LOL

"No man knoweth the hour.... Therefore, watch and pray!"

Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 10/09/06 - Was there really a Worldwide Flood?

I believe there was for 3 reasons.

1. Gen 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

2.Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

3. If there really was a worldwide flood what would the evidence be? Billions of dead things in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth. What do we find ? Billions of dead things in rock layers laid down by water all over the earth.

If the Bible is true and Jesus is God there was a worldwide flood.

Bobbye answered on 10/09/06:

IF NOT, someone failed to inform the etymologists; geologists, and ANTHROPOLIGISTS!

IF NOT, what are we going to do about Shem, Ham, and Japheth -- whom we have discussed, and back to whom many on this Board have traced our roots since the days of AskMe?

Toms was right re "ice." The waters covered the face of the earth before Genesis 1:2. Yet, the icy encasement of the planet is the bellwether of cryogenics, as the earth was encased in an icy mist, which preserved the fossil and plant life until the revitalization of the planet earth when God said: "Let there be light." (The sun, moon, and stars were still in the Heavens during the dormancy of earth from its original cataclysmic destruction. The earth's icy mist and darkness that covered the earth did not yield to the "GREATER LIGHT" until God said: "Let there be light.")

AND MANKIND IS STILL TRYING TO IGNORE GOD; DECLARE HIM DEAD; REFUTE HIS EXISTENCE, AND, MOST UNREASONABLE OF ALL -- TO IGNORE HIM!

"Yes, Virginia (as in the classic), there is a God -- whose WORD IS TRUTH!"

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 10/08/06 - Now that fanatic North Korea has det off an A-Bomb

1. Do you think the world is a less safe place?
2. Is that news frightening to you?

Bobbye answered on 10/09/06:

(1) Less safe than, say, "Heaven?" No comparison!

Less safe than the world? There is no "safe place" on a planet "where hate's so wrong, BUT (God's) love so strong! THIS IS MY FATHER'S WORLD!"

(2) No!
"ELOHIM!" "A Controlling God!"
God has the world in control! He has given us free will, but HE CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE that He created!

"And thou wilt lay me down in peace and sleep; for thou, Lord, art with me." The Psalmist David released all his fears to the Only One who could handle them! AND THIS I DO!

Be blessed,
bobbye

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arcura asked on 10/08/06 - Just for your health information......................

Heart Attack Info from an RN

This is a very good article. Not only about the warm water after your meal, but about ladies and their heart attacks.

This makes sense.... the Chinese and Japanese drink hot tea with their meals...not cold water... maybe it is time we adopt their drinking habit while eating!!! Nothing to lose, everything to gain...

For those who like to drink cold water, this article is applicable to you. It is nice to have a cup of cold drink after a meal. However, the cold water will solidify the oily stuff that you have just consumed. It will slow down the digestion.

Once this "sludge" reacts with the acid, it will break down and be absorbed by the intestine faster than the solid food. It will line the intestine.

Very soon, this will turn into fats and lead to cancer. It is best to drink hot soup or warm water or milk after a meal.

A serious note about heart attacks: Women should know that not every heart attack symptom is going to be the left arm hurting. Be aware of intense pain in the jaw line.

You may never have the first chest pain during the course of a heart attack.

Nausea and intense sweating are also common symptoms.

60% of people who have a heart attack while they are asleep do not wake up.

Pain in the jaw can wake you from a sound sleep. Let's be careful and be aware. The more we know the better chance we could survive.

Take one whole 325 or 500 mg aspirin. Take some deep breaths, relax and see your doctor or a cardiologist quickly.

Bobbye answered on 10/08/06:

I top off a meal with freshly-brewed coffee!

Thanks for the info, Fred. For those who disagree, much of this has been around for years. We just ignore it and we're seeing the results in Americans' health.

Be blessed,
bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 10/08/06 - Is Jesus God?

When Jesus made statements in the New Testament about hell , creation, historical events like the flood and the judgement to come could He have been wrong? If He was wrong could He still be God?

Bobbye answered on 10/08/06:

Wrong??????
PEDDLER!!!!!!! YOU KNOW BETTER!

John 1:1KJV
"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word WAS GOD!"

John 1:2KJV
"The same was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE!"

As the classical goes, "Oh, who can make a flower? NO ONE BUT GOD, 'TIS TRUE!"

ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM (JESUS)!
OF COURSE, HE'S GOD. NO ONE BUT GOD CAN CREATE -- FROM NOTHING!

As God, He is OMNISCIENT (all-knowing)! Therefore, it is impossible for Jesus to have been wrong about anything. In fact, He is not only God, but He said while on earth: "I speak only what my Father speaks." THAT SHOULD COVER ALL BASES!

Be blessed,
bobbye

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arcura asked on 10/07/06 - When was Jesus Born????????????......................

When was Jesus Born?
Best Guess: September 29, 5 B.C.
Want the details? Read more below.
Biblical scholars readily tell us that it was most likely NOT on December 25th, A.D. 0. Why?
When were shepherds in the fields?
Israeli meteorologists tracked December weather patterns for many years and concluded that the climate in Israel has been essentially constant for at least the last 2,000 years. The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible states that, "broadly speaking, weather phenomena and climatic conditions as pictured in the Bible correspond with conditions as observed today" (R.B.Y. Scott, Vol. 3, Abingdon Press, Nashville, 1962, p. 625).
The temperature in the area of Bethlehem in December averages around 44 degrees Fahrenheit (7 degrees Celsius) but can drop to well below freezing, especially at night. Describing the weather there, Sara Ruhin, chief of the Israeli weather service, noted in a 1990 press release that the area has three months of frost: December with 29 F. [minus 1.6 C.]; January with 30 F. [minus 1.1 C.] and February with 32 F. [0 C.].
Snow is common for two or three days in Jerusalem and nearby Bethlehem in December and January. These were the winter months of increased precipitation in Christ's time, when the roads became practically unusable and people stayed mostly indoors.
This is important evidence to disprove a December date for Christ's birth. Note that, at the time of Christ's birth, the shepherds tended their flocks in the fields at night. "Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields," wrote one Gospel writer, "keeping watch over their flock by night" (Luke 2:8). A common practice of shepherds was keeping their flocks in the field from April to October, but in the cold and rainy winter months they took their flocks back home and sheltered them.
One commentary admits that, "as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were still in the fields by night. On this very ground the nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by night in the fields is a chronological fact, which casts considerable light upon this disputed point" (Adam Clarke's Commentary, Abingdon Press, Nashville, note on Luke 2:8).
Another study source agrees: "These humble pastoral folk are out in the field at night with their flocka feature of the story which would argue against the birth [of Christ] occurring on Dec. 25 since the weather would not have permitted it" (The Interpreter's One-Volume Commentary, Abingdon Press, Nashville, 1971, note on Luke 2:4-7).
The Companion Bible, Appendix 179 says:
Shepherds and their flocks would not be found "abiding" (Gr. agrauleo) in the open fields at night in December (Tebeth), for the paramount reason that there would be no pasturage at that time. It was the custom then (as now) to withdraw the flocks during the month Marchesven (Oct.-Nov.) from the open districts and house them for the winter.
The census described by Luke
Other evidence arguing against a December birth of Jesus is the Roman census recorded by Luke. "And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered... So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city. Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem..., to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son..." (Luke 2:1-7).
The Roman and Judean rulers knew that taking a census in winter would have been impractical and unpopular. Generally a census would take place after the harvest season, around September or October, when it would not seriously affect the economy, the weather was good and the roads were still dry enough to allow easy travel. According to the normal dates for the census, this would probably be the season of Christ's birth.
One author states that this census "could hardly have been at that season [December 25], however, for such a time would surely not have been chosen by the authorities for a public enrollment, which necessitated the population's traveling from all parts to their natal districts, storms and rain making journeys both unsafe and unpleasant in winter, except in specially favorable years" ("Christmas at Bethlehem," Holy-Days and Holidays, Cunningham Geikie).
Luke's account of the census argues strongly against a December date for Christ's birth. For such an agrarian society, an autumn post-harvest census was much more likely.
The year of Christ's birth
Jesus wasn't born in A.D. 0 either. In 525 Pope John I commissioned the scholar Dionysius Exiguus to establish a feast calendar for the Church.. Dionysius also estimated the year of Christ's birth based upon the founding of the city of Rome. Unfortunately because of insufficient historical data he arrived at a date at least a few years later than the actual event.
The Gospels record Jesus' birth as occurring during the reign of Herod the Great. Herod's death is recorded by Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus, Book 17, Chpt. 8) and occurred in the spring of 4 B.C. (New Testament History, F.F. Bruce, Anchor Books, p.23). Therefore, Christ's birth had to take place at least four years before the traditional date!
Jesus was not born on December 25, A.D. 0. [Actually there is no such year as A.D. 0. Our calendar jumps from 1 B.C. to A.D. 1 with no intervening year of zero.]
The celebration of Christ's birth in the the early church
In the first 200 years of Christian history, no mention is made of the calendar date of Jesus' birth. Not until the year 336 do we find the first mention of a celebration of His birth.
Why this omission? In the case of the Church fathers, the reason is that, during the three centuries after Christ's life on earth, the event considered most worthy of commemoration was the date of His death. In comparison, the date of His birth was considered insignificant. As the Encyclopedia Americana explains, "Christmas... was, according to many authorities, not celebrated in the first centuries of the Christian church, as the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth..." (1944 edition, "Christmas").
Speculation on the proper date began in the 3rd and 4th centuries, when the idea of fixing Christ's birthday started. Quite a controversy arose among Church leaders. Some were opposed to such a celebration. Origen (185-254) strongly recommended against such an innovation. "In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world" (Catholic Encyclopedia, 1908 edition, Vol. 3, p. 724, "Natal Day").
During this time eight specific dates during six different months were proposed by various groups. December 25, although one of the last dates to be proposed, was the one finally accepted by the leadership of the Western church.
A summary of the debate on the dates of Christ's birth appears in The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church: "Though speculation as to the time of year of Christ's birth dates from the early 3rd century, Clement of Alexandria suggesting the 20th of May, the celebration of the anniversary does not appear to have been general till the later 4th century. The earliest mention of the observance on Dec. 25th is in the Philocalian Calendar, representing Roman practice of the year 336. This date was probably chosen to oppose the feast of the Natalis Solis Invicti [nativity of the unconquerable sun] by the celebration of the birth of the 'Sun of Righteousness' and its observance in the West, seems to have spread from Rome" (1983 edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 1983, p. 280, "Christmas").
Around 200, when Clement of Alexandria mentioned the speculations about Christ's birthday, he said nothing about a celebration on that day. He casually reported the various ideas extant at that time: "And there are those who have determined not only the year of our Lord's birth, but also the day..., the 25th day of Pachon... Furthermore, others say that He was born on the 24th or 25th of Pharmuthi" ("The Stromata, or Miscellanies," The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 2, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, 1986, p. 333).
Later, in 243, the official feast calendar of the time, De Pascha Computus, places the date of Christ's birth as March 28. Other dates suggested were April 2 and November 18. Meanwhile, in the East, January 6 was chosen, a date the Greeks had celebrated as the birth of the god Dionysus and the Egyptians as the birth of the god Osiris. Although pagans commonly celebrated the birthdays of their gods, in the Bible a birthday is never celebrated to the true God (who, of course, had no birth or day of origin).
December 25 popularized
In Rome December 25 was made popular by Pope Liberius in 354 and became the rule in the West in 435 when the first "Christ mass" was officiated by Pope Sixtus III. This coincided with the date of a celebration by the Romans to their primary god, the Sun, and to Mithras, a popular Persian sun god supposedly born on the same day. The Roman Catholic writer Mario Righetti candidly admits that, "to facilitate the acceptance of the faith by the pagan masses, the Church of Rome found it convenient to institute the 25th of December as the feast of the birth of Christ to divert them from the pagan feast, celebrated on the same day in honor of the 'Invincible Sun' Mithras, the conqueror of darkness" (Manual of Liturgical History, 1955, Vol. 2, p. 67).
Protestant historian Henry Chadwick sums up the controversy: "Moreover, early in the fourth century there begins in the West (where first and by whom is not known) the celebration of December 25th, the birthday of the Sun-god at the winter solstice, as the date for the nativity of Christ. How easy it was for Christianity and solar religion to become entangled at the popular level is strikingly illustrated by a mid-fifth century sermon of Pope Leo the Great, rebuking his over-cautious flock for paying reverence to the Sun on the steps of St. Peter's before turning their back on it to worship inside the westward-facing basilica" (The Early Church, Penguin Books, London, 1967, p. 126).
The Encyclopedia Americana makes this clear: "In the fifth century, the Western Church ordered it [Christ's birth] to be observed forever on the day of the old Roman feast of the birth of Sol [the sun god], as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ's birth existed" (1944 edition, "Christmas").
Is there any evidence from the Bible that will help us fix the date and year of Christ's birth?
Actually from the Bible, we can at least determine the probable season and year of His birth. The most convincing proof of when Jesus was born comes in understanding the evidence that is presented in the book of Luke concerning the birth of John the Baptist.
Luke 1:5-17 says:
In the days of King Herod of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly order of Abijah. His wife was a descendant of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. Both of them were righteous before God, living blamelessly according to all the commandments and regulations of the Lord. But they had no children, because Elizabeth was barren, and both were getting on in years. Once when he was serving as priest before God and his section was on duty, he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to enter the sanctuary of the Lord and offer incense. Now at the time of the incense offering, the whole assembly of the people was praying outside. Then there appeared to him an angel of the Lord, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. When Zechariah saw him, he was terrified; and fear overwhelmed him. But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will name him John. You will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He must never drink wine or strong drink; even before his birth he will be filled with the Holy Spirit. He will turn many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. With the spirit and power of Elijah he will go before him, to turn the hearts of parents to their children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
Zechariah was of the division of Abijah (Luke 1:5,8). Back in King David's day, the priests had been separated into 24 turns or divisions. These turns began in the first month of the Jewish calendar (1 Chronicles 27:2), March or April of our modern calendar. According to Talmudic and Qumran sources, the turns rotated every week until they reached the end of the sixth month, when the cycle was repeated again until the end of the year. This would mean that Zechariah's division served at the temple twice a year.
We find in 1 Chronicles 24:10 that Abijah was the eighth division of the priesthood. Thus, Zechariahs service would be in the tenth week of the Jewish year. Why the tenth week? Because all divisions served during primary feast weeks of the Jewish year. So all of the divisions of the priesthood would serve during Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread (the third week of the year). Likewise, all of the divisions of the priesthood would serve during the Feast of Weeks or Pentecost (the ninth week). Thus, the eighth course of the priesthood would end up serving on the tenth week of the year.
Now we must make an assumption here. Remember we said that Zechariah's division served at the temple twice a year. The Bible does not specify which of the two shifts of service it was. Regardless, nine months after one of the two dates John the Baptist was born. This would place his birth in March or September.
We will assume that Luke is recording Zechariah's first shift of service for the year. We will find that assumption tends to prove true as we discover the dates of John the Baptist's and Jesus' birth. Therefore, the date of Zechariah's service would be the Jewish date of Sivan 12-18 (See the Companion Bible, Appendix 179, Section III).
Picking up the story in Luke 1:23-25:
When his time of service was ended, he went to his home. After those days his wife Elizabeth conceived, and for five months she remained in seclusion. She said, "This is what the Lord has done for me when he looked favorably on me and took away the disgrace I have endured among my people."
After his service in the temple, Zechariah went home to his wife. Due to the laws of separation (Leviticus 12:5; 15:19,25), two additional weeks have to be counted. Now I don't know about you, but if an angel had told me that I was going to have a special child, I would get to it just as soon as the law allowed. So we will make a second assumption, that Elizabeth conceived a child two weeks after Zechariah's return.
Allowing for this and going forward a normal pregnancy places the birth of John the Baptist at the time of the Passover (Nisan 15)! The Jews always looked for Elijah to return on the day of Passover. Even in modern times there is an empty chair and a table setting for Elijah whenever Passover is celebrated. Little children also go to the door of the home and open it in anticipation of Elijah's coming. The Old Testament prophets had said that God would send Elijah before the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 3:1; 4:5-6). According to these calculations John the Baptist was born at Passover. Remember the angel's words to Zechariah? The angel said that John the Baptist was to come "in the spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17). Elijah came at Passover!
Continuing in Luke 1:26-36:
In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin's name was Mary. And he came to her and said, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you." But she was much perplexed by his words and pondered what sort of greeting this might be. The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And now, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his ancestor David. He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end." Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"
The angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be holy; he will be called Son of God. And now, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month for her who was said to be barren.
Luke tells us that Elizabeth was six months pregnant when the angel Gabriel visited Mary. The beginning of Elizabeth's sixth month would have been the celebration of the Jewish feast of Hanukkah, which occurs in December of our modern calendar. Hanukkah (Chanukkah) is known as the "Feast of the Dedication" (John 10:22) because it is connected with the dedication of the second Jewish temple and the rededication of the temple after the Maccabean revolt. Mary was being dedicated for a purpose of enormous magnitude: God's presence in an earthly temple, i.e. a human body (John 2:18-21).
If Mary did conceive on Hanukkah, John the Baptist would have been born three months later at Passover. And assuming a normal pregnancy of 285 days, Jesus would have been born on the 15th day of the Jewish month of Tishri (September 29 by modern reckoning). This is significant because it is the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot). It is a high day, a special Sabbath, a time of great rejoicing.
The Feast of Tabernacles and Jesus
As you have seen, the birth of our Lord can be reasonably shown to have occurred in the autumn of the year on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. The Feast of Tabernacles is a joyful feast. Jewish believers would build a tabernacle or booth known as a "sukkah" out of green tree branches. They would eat their meals and sleep in this sukkah for eight days.
There are some very interesting connections in Scripture with Jesus and aspects of the Feast of Tabernacles.
John 1:14 says:
And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. [literal translation of the Greek]
Look at what Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi has to say concerning this verse:
To introduce the nature and mission of Christ, John in his Gospel employs the metaphor of the "booth" of the Feast of Tabernacles. He explains that Christ, the Word who was with God in the beginning (John 1:1), manifested Himself in this world in a most tangible way, by pitching His tent in our midst: "And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, as of the only Son from the Father" (John 1:14).
The Greek verb skenoo used by John means "to pitch tent, encamp, tabernacle, dwell in a tent." The allusion is clearly to the Feast of Tabernacles when the people dwelt in temporary booths. In his article "The Feast of Tents: Jesus Self-Revelation," published in Worship (1960), David Stanley notes that this passage sets the stage for the later self-revelation of Jesus at the Feast of Tabernacles in John 7 and 8. Stanley writes: "The most basic clue to the mystery pervading this entire narrative [John 7 and 8] is provided by the symbolic action that gives this feast its name: the ceremonial erection of little bowers, made with branches of trees, in which every Jew was expected to live during the festival. These shelters were commemorative of the forty years wandering in the desert when Israel had lived as a nomad in such intimate union with her God. For John this dwelling in tents is a primordial symbol of the Incarnation: Thus the Word became a mortal man: he pitched his tent in the midst of us (John 1:14). It is this insight which presides over the composition of Johns narrative which we are considering [John 7-8]. All that happened, all that Jesus said on this occasion has some reference to the Incarnation."
In seeking to describe the Messiahs first coming to His people, John chose the imagery of the Feast of Booths since the feast celebrates the dwelling of God among His people. This raises an interesting question on whether or not John intended to link the birth of Jesus with the Feast of Tabernacles.
[from: Gods Festivals in Scripture and History Part II: The Fall Festivals, page 241.]
According to the Companion Bible, Appendix 179:
The word tabernacled here receives beautiful significance from the knowledge that "the Lord of Glory" was "found in fashion as a man", and thus tabernacling in human flesh. And in turn it shows in equally beautiful significance that our Lord was born on the first day of the great Jewish Feast of Tabernacles, viz. the 15th of Tisri, corresponding to September 29 (modern reckoning).
The Circumcision of our Lord took place therefore on the eighth day, the last day of the Feast, the "Great Day of the Feast" of John 7.37 ("Tabernacles" had eight days. The Feast of Unleavened Bread had seven days, and Pentecost one. See Lev. 23).
From The Seven Festivals of the Messiah by Eddie Chumney we read this:
As we have stated earlier in this chapter, the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles) is called "the season of our joy" and "the feast of the nations." With this in mind, in Luke 2:10 it is written, "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings [basar in Hebrew; otherwise known as the gospel] of great joy [Sukkot is called the 'season of our joy'], which shall be to all people [Sukkot is called 'the feast of the nations']." So, we can see from this that the terminology the angel used to announce the birth of Yeshua (Jesus) were themes and messages associated with the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles).
Light was also a prominent feature of the Feast of Tabernacles. At the end of the first day of the Feast, the Temple was gloriously illuminated. According to the Mishnah (Succah 5:2), gigantic candelabras stood within the Court of the Women in the temple. Each of the four golden candelabras is said to have been about 75 feet tall. Each candelabra had four branches, and at the top of every branch there was a large bowl. Four young men bearing 10 gallon pitchers of oil would climb ladders to fill the four golden bowls on each candelabra. And then the oil in those bowls was ignited. Picture sixteen beautiful blazes leaping toward the sky from these golden lamps. There was not a courtyard in Jerusalem that was not illuminated by this light (Succah 5:3).
According to Alfred Edersheim (Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah, chpt. 8):
...the Court of the Women was brilliantly illuminated.... In connection with this we mark, that the term 'light' was specially applied to the Messiah. In a very interesting passage of the Midrash we are told, that, while commonly windows were made wide within and narrow without, it was the opposite in the Temple of Solomon, because the light issuing from the Sanctuary was to lighten that which was without.
This reminds us of the language of devout old Simeon in regard to the Messiah, as 'a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of His people Israel.'
John 1:6-9 says:
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness to testify to the light, so that all might believe through him. He himself was not the light, but he came to testify to the light. The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world.
In these verses John refers to Jesus as "the light" and as we have also seen, verse 14 says that he "became flesh and tabernacled [literal meaning of the Greek] among us". Since John chapter one is a passage about Jesus' coming, these verses could be references to the Feast of Tabernacles at which time Jesus was born.
Magi from the east
The Scriptures tell us that there were wise men (scholars) who came from the east looking for the birth of the Messiah, saying "we have seen his star in the east". Who were these scholars from the east? Why were they looking for a Jewish Messiah?
Matthew 2:1-6 says:
In the time of King Herod, after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, asking, "Where is the child who has been born king of the Jews? For we observed his star at its rising, and have come to pay him homage. When King Herod heard this, he was frightened, and all Jerusalem with him; and calling together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Messiah was to be born. They told him, "In Bethlehem of Judea; for so it has been written by the prophet: 'And you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for from you shall come a ruler who is to shepherd my people Israel.'" [cited from Micah 5:2]
Babylon was known as "the land to the east." At the time of the birth of Jesus, the largest Jewish population was actually in Babylon, not in Palestine! Nearly five hundred years earlier, the entire nation of Judah had been carried away captive into Babylon by King Nebuchadnezzar. Only a small colony of Jews returned to Palestine after sixty-three years of captivity. The greater number of them remained where they had established homes in the land of Babylon.
The Greek for "wise men" is magoi. Daniel was referred to by this same title (Daniel 4:9). The word is somewhat equivalent to the Jewish term "rabbi." It is possible that the wise men from the east were Jewish rabbis who had been anticipating the coming of the Messiah because of Daniels seventy weeks prophecy [Daniel 9:24]. They had spotted a new star in the sky and took it to be a sign of the coming of the Messiah.
At the very least, even if the wise men were not Jewish, they would have been influenced by Daniel's writings. At an earlier time, Daniel had been the Master of the Magians of Babylon (Daniel 2:48; 4:9; 5:11), so anything Daniel wrote would have been important to even Gentile magoi. Parts of the book of Daniel are even written in Aramaic (the international language of the eastern Gentiles), so that it could be read by them.
The star and the Feast of Tabernacles
There is one time of the year when Jews would typically look at the stars. That time was during the Festival of Tabernacles. As we already said, Jewish believers would build a tabernacle or booth known as a "sukkah" out of green tree branches. They would eat their meals and sleep in this sukkah for eight days. It was customary to leave a hole in the roof of the sukkah so that one could look at the stars. If the magoi were Jewish, then Jewish "wise men" celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles would have noticed the appearance of a new star.
Of course, if the magoi were Gentile, it is still likely that a new star would have been noticed by them rather quickly. The Babylonian magoi excelled at astrology. As a matter of fact, the Babylonians are generally credited with the birth of astrology.
The year of Jesus' birth
Jesus was born while Herod the Great was still living (Matthew 2:1). Wise men appeared in Jerusalem asking about "one who has been born king of the Jews?" Of course, this upset Herod, who had been given the title "King of the Jews" by the Roman Senate. Herod talked to the wise men secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared (Matthew 2:7). The wise men then journeyed to Bethlehem and found Jesus, Mary, and Joseph in a house (Matthew 2:11) and they bowed down and worshiped Jesus.
When the wise men did not return to give Herod a report, "Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the wise men. He was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the wise men" (Matthew 2:16).
This tells us that Jesus may have been born two years before the appearance of the wise men and the death of Herod. Herod died the spring of 4 B.C. (according to the Jewish historian, Josephus). Let's assume that the star appeared at Jesus' birth. Let's also assume that Herod was already close to death when the wise men appeared. It was the custom in ancient Israel to count the years of one's age from the date of conception - in other words, when a child is born he is one year old until his first birthday (this is still a practice in some oriental cultures). Therefore, Herod actually killed the children one year old and under according to the way that age is calculated today. This would mean that Jesus had to have been born in 6 B.C. (if Jesus was one year old) or 5 B.C. (if Jesus was under one year and Herod was just being extra careful).
This date for Jesus' birth fits with other Biblical data such as Jesus being "about thirty years old" when He began his ministry (Luke 3:23). From evidence given to us in John 2:20 about the construction of the temple, we know Jesus' ministry began in A.D. 26. Counting forward from 6 B.C. to A.D. 26 (one year has to be subtracted because there is no year zero) would make Jesus 31 years old when he began his ministry -- that is, about thirty years old. Counting forward from 5 B.C. to A.D. 26 would make Jesus 30 years old when he began his ministry. The birth years of 5 or 6 B.C. also fit with the best date for the crucifixion, that is A.D. 30. Personally I opt for the 5 B.C. date, because I assume the wise men would want to come at once and the time for a journey from Babylon to Jerusalem takes only four months.
When was Jesus born? Nothing is absolutely certain, because we are dealing with implications and assumptions, but a good guess from the Scriptures and history is September 29, 5 B.C.
Sources of Information for this Article:
The Biblical Festivals: God's Appointed Times from Hebraic Roots of Christianity by Eddie Chumney.
The Gospel of Luke by William Hendriksen, Baker Book House.
When was Jesus born? by Christian Renewal Ministries International.
New Testament History by F.F. Bruce, Anchor Books.
When Was Jesus Christ Born? by Mario Seiglie, The Good News, United Church of God, 1997.
Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah by Alfred Edersheim, 1890.
The Companion Bible, Published by Kregel Publications.
Gods Festivals in Scripture and History, Part 2 by Samuele Bacchiocchi, PhD.
Available from: Biblical Perspectives
4990 Appian Way
Berrien Springs, MI 49103

The purpose of this article is NOT to suggest that we change the day of Christmas or the year of our calendars! It is to give added meaning and insight to our Lord's birth, particularly from a Jewish perspective. But shouldn't we celebrate Jesus' birthday on the correct day? If it really mattered to Jesus when we celebrate His birth, then He would have made the exact day crystal clear with absolute certainty. What we celebrate is far more important than the day we celebrate it one. For example, in the United States we celebrate Presidents Day in February, but this doesn't mean that all the presidents were born in February.
The essential fact is that God did enflesh Himself in time and space (1 John 4:2). He was born from a woman on a specific day in a specific year, walked among us, died for our sins, was raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven. This is what we celebrate at Christmas: God was (and is) with us!

Bobbye answered on 10/08/06:

Latter 6 B.C. or early 5 B.C., around April 1st.

Reese's Chronological Bible places Christ's birth in 5 B.C. If so, John the Baptist was born at the end of 6 B.C.

If you study Herod's death (4 B.C., which is fact), you will come closer to the birth of Jesus, who was approximately 1-1/2 to 2 years of age when Herod issued the edict of "The Slaughter of the Innocents" (2 years of age and under). HEROD DIED SOON THEREAFTER!

Many Christians believe that Jesus will return at Passover around the time of His earthly advent, as He promised: "I will not drink this cup with you again until I drink it new in my Father's kingdom."

Bobbye

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jackreade asked on 10/07/06 - Lesson in Mature Forgiveness for All of Us


Amish Mourn Gunman in School Rampage
By MARK SCOLFORO

GEORGETOWN, Pa. (AP) - Dozens of Amish neighbors came out Saturday to mourn the quiet milkman who killed five of their young girls and wounded five more in a brief, unfathomable rampage.

Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, was buried in his wife's family plot behind a small Methodist church, a few miles from the one-room schoolhouse he stormed Monday.

His wife, Marie, and their three small children looked on as Roberts was buried beside the pink, heart-shaped grave of the infant daughter whose death nine years ago apparently haunted him.

About half of perhaps 75 mourners on hand were Amish.

``It's the love, the forgiveness, the heartfelt forgiveness they have toward the family. I broke down and cried seeing it displayed,'' said Bruce Porter, a fire department chaplain from Morrison, Colo., who had come to Pennsylvania to offer what help he could and attended the burial. He said Marie Roberts was also touched.

``She was absolutely deeply moved, by just the love shown,'' Porter said.

Leaders of the local Amish community were gathering Saturday afternoon at a firehouse to decide the future of the schoolhouse, and of the school year itself.

The prevailing wisdom suggested a new school would be built...."

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Bobbye answered on 10/08/06:

Choux, the Amish are an example to all regarding "forgiveness!"

Greta VanSusteran presented one of the most poignant portraits of the Amish this week-end regarding their demonstration of "true forgiveness!"

MAY WE ALL LEARN FROM SUCH AN EXAMPLE!
Mark 11:25KJV:
"And when you stand praying, forgive that your Father in Heaven may forgive you."

WHAT AN EXAMPLE OF THIS SCRIPTURE IN ACTION!

Bobbye

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Laura asked on 09/29/06 - This is addressed to Christians for the moment

How many professing Christians on this board believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God?

How many professing Christians believe that Jesus is the same yesturday, today, and forever according to that inspired Word of God.

How many professing Christians believe Jesus Christ to be "God"?

Simple yes or no answers will do. Five stars no matter what the answer is and no comments will be made by me concerning your answers.

Bobbye answered on 09/29/06:

YES, YES, YES! Toms777 used support Scriptures. I'm typing with my left hand, so I'll borrow from him tonight.

I agree that this is not a place to grade papers nor to correct English usage or phrasing. Just an exchange of info.

Be blessed, Laura, for your stand for Christ!
bobbye

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Laura asked on 09/11/06 - Amazing Grace

It's such a lovely song. This is my question. In the second verse of the song it says:

Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear...and Grace my fears releaved.How precious did that Grace appear...
the hour I first believed.

How can Grace cause one to fear but also for that fear to be releaved? What does Grace mean to you and just how essential is it in terms of salvation?



Bobbye answered on 09/11/06:

Laura, "'Twas grace that taught my heart to fear...." THIS IS REVERENT AWE! The fear of God is "reverence" toward a loving and merciful God. God is love!

"...and Grace my fears relieved...," thank God! The fears of life; of death; of hell; of emptiness, etc., etc. Grace and mercy bring peace! A gift of God!

As the old hymn goes:
"Grace, grace. God's grace!
Grace that will pardon and cleanse within.
Grace, grace. God's grace!
Grace that is greater than all my sin."

Be blessed,
bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 08/31/06 - How soon after Creation did the Fall take place?

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Bobbye answered on 09/01/06:

"The Genesis Record" by Henry M. Morris (worth the reading); Baker Book House; Grand Rapids, Michigan; Pg 116.

Re "The Fall of Man," Mr. Morris states:

""God was 'walking in the garden in the cool of the day.' How long this period of fellowship between God and man lasted, we have no way of knowing. It was at least long enugh for the Satanic rebellion and explusion to have taken place in heaven (see Revelation 12). However, it was not long enough for Adam and Eve to have begotten children. It was probably a few weeks, though it is not possible to be certain."

This is as close as any source I've referenced.

Blessings,
bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 08/30/06 - Is this true, that "without original sin,

Christ died for nothing."

I'm having trouble with that phrase in quotes. Every day, every second in fact, each of us has a choice to do good or to do evil, to be loving or to be unloving.

Doesn't a Christian believe that Christ died for him, to pay the price for his sins, the sins that he himself commits, the unloving choices he makes?

Are we actually blameless because, after all, we do unloving things because of original sin, so it's not really OUR fault, but is really Adam and Eve's fault--the result of original sin?

Wouldn't each of us have been just as disobedient as Adam and Eve were, would have made the same choice they did?

Do you understand what I'm trying to work out in my head? To me, the idea of original sin sounds like a cop out, a way to avoid personal responsibility (like, "the devil made me do it" or "I was unloving because of original sin - just couldn't help myself").

Bobbye answered on 08/30/06:

Adam was the representative of the human race, for he was given dominion over all that God had placed in the Garden of Eden. Thus when Adam sinned, his "innocence" (innocent of sin) was replaced with a "conscience," whereby he became aware of sin -- sin that had corrupted and entered into the "human" race. Thus it was passed down to all mankind. FROM WHOM DID WE ALL DESCEND? ADAM! A&E produced a most intriguing documentary re this "one man" a few months ago.

No, we can't blame Adam for our sin, anymore than we can blame our parents if we inherit a genetic defect. Sin became part of human nature the moment Adam's eyes were opened -- called "conscience" -- and has remained in the species since that moment.

But there is a fact of rejoicing when we think of "original" sin:

Romans 5:12KJV, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (God intended for Adam to live forever, but physical death came as a result of Adam's sin: flesh became corrupted and immortality no longer existed except through a Redeemer.)

Romans 5:15KJV, "But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one, many be dead, much more the grace of God,and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto man." THIS IS GOOD NEWS!

Blessings,
bobbye

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Laura asked on 08/30/06 - Yeah I know. Who cares, it's funny!

To be posted very low on the refrigerator door - nose height.

Dear Dogs and Cats,

The dishes with the paw print are yours and contain your food. The other dishes are mine and contain my food. Please note, placing a paw print in the middle of my plate of food does not stake a claim for it becoming your food and dish, nor do I find that aesthetically pleasing in the slightest.

The stairway was not designed by NASCAR and is not a racetrack. Beating me to the bottom is not the object. Tripping me doesn't help because I fall faster than you can run.

I cannot buy anything bigger than a king sized bed. I am very sorry about this. Do not think I will continue sleeping on the couch to ensure your comfort. Dogs and cats can actually curl up in a ball when they sleep. It is not necessary to sleep perpendicular to each other stretched out to the fullest extent possible. I also know that sticking tails straight out and having tongues hanging out the other end to maximize space is nothing but sarcasm.

For the last time, there is not a secret exit from the bathroom. If by some miracle I beat you there and manage to get the door shut, it is not necessary to claw, whine, meow, try to turn the knob or get your paw under the edge and try to pull the door open. I must exit through the same door I entered. Also, I have been using the bathroom for years --canine or feline attendance is not required.

The proper order is kiss me, then go smell the other dog or cat's butt. I cannot stress this enough! To pacify you, my dear pets, I have posted the following message on our front door:

To All Non-Pet Owners Who Visit & Like to Complain About Our Pets:

They live here. You don't.
If you don't want their hair on your clothes, stay off the furniture. (That's why they call it "fur"niture.)
I like my pets a lot better than I like most people.
To you, it's an animal. To me, he/she is an adopted son/daughter who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly.
Remember:

In many ways, dogs and cats are better than kids because they:

Eat less
Don't ask for money all the time.
Are easier to train.
Normally come when called.
Never ask to drive the car.
Don't hang out with drug-using friends.
Don't smoke or drink.
Don't have to buy the latest fashions.
Don't want to wear your clothes.
Don't need a gazillion dollars for college, and last but not least ,
If they get pregnant, you can sell their children.


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Bobbye answered on 08/30/06:

A GOOD ONE! My sentiments! We love our animals. I have a new Yorkshire, who now weighs 3 lbs. The vet told me to be sure to "keep his weight down!" LOL, LOL, LOL (I asked: "At my house? No way! The Science Diet for him is daytime food. The "fridge" takes over past 9:00 p.m.")

Be blessed,
bobbye

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Judgment_Day asked on 08/30/06 - How are you today my fellow Christians?

Before I followed Christ I'd go Christianity boards just to cause disruption. Often posting disrespectful, anti-Christian rhetoric, trying to develop a non-Christian cheering section, used demeaning posts, and copying graphics just to mock Christians. Before I was living it up on my terms to ammuse myself and the worlds was accepting.

Now as a Christian I understand my past folly. Everyone one of us before coming to Christ were part of such actions in way or the other. I thank God for forgiveness through Jesus my Lord and Saviour.



Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are you when others revile and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account."

Matthew 10:25 "If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more they will malign those of his houselhold."



Bobbye answered on 08/30/06:

I STAND AMAZED -- AT HIS AMAZING GRACE!

Thanks for making my day! What a testimony to the grace and mercy of a loving and forgiving God!

Blessings,
bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 08/29/06 - Polygamist sect leader caught!

Polygamist sect leader held By Steve Gorman

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Warren Steed Jeffs, the fugitive leader of a polygamist sect and one of the FBI's 10 most wanted, was arrested in a routine traffic stop outside Las Vegas, authorities said on Tuesday.

Jeffs, 50, considered a "prophet" by his estimated 10,000 followers, is wanted for alleged sexual misconduct with minors in Arizona and as an accomplice to rape in Utah, the FBI said on its Web site.

He was stopped by the Nevada Highway Patrol on Monday night for expired license plates on his vehicle, and the patrolman recognized Jeffs, holding him at the scene until FBI agents could arrive to positively identify him, according David Nanz, an FBI special agent in Las Vegas.

Jeffs was traveling with one of his wives and a brother at the time of the arrest, which occurred about 6 miles north of Las Vegas, Nanz said, adding that Jeffs was being held in a county jail in Las Vegas awaiting extradition to Utah or Arizona.

Jeffs assumed control of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, from his now-deceased father when the elder leader suffered a debilitating stroke in 1998.

The sect, long based in an enclave on the twin border towns of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona, split from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when the mainstream Mormon Church banned polygamy more than a century ago.

Jeffs, who had been on the run for at least two years, is accused of arranging marriages between older men and underage girls in the FLDS settlement, which is generally closed to outsiders. At the enclave, young men and boys are often forced out to ensure a supply of young brides for male elders.

His group is believed to be one of the largest polygamist sects that exist in the United States. A joint Utah-Arizona attorneys general report has estimated that 20,000 to 40,000 Americans still engage in the outlawed practice of plural marriage.

Elaine Tyler, the head of the Utah-based group HOPE, which helps people leave polygamist homes, hailed Jeffs' arrest.

"I cant believe they found him," she told Reuters. "He has broken up families. He has married off young girls against their will. It is time he started paying for what he did."

QUESTION: What should be the punishment for Warren Jeffs? Who will get all the millions he has acquired over the years? Who will be the next leader of this so-called cult?

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 08/30/06:

"CATCH OF THE DAY!" One of the FBI's biggest fish caught on the desert!

And may he and his kind be eradicated from society. His dastardly deeds will impact these families for decades.

Thanks for the post, Maggie.

Be blessed,
bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 08/29/06 - Were Neandertals Human Beings?

Note for Judgment day.
"Dr. Safati is a Messianic Jew. He is a true genius. He plays chess with 6 people simultaneously, blind folded!"

Neandertals were fully human in thinking:
Symbolic items show human cognition and symbolic thinking
by Jonathan Sarfati

30 August 2006
Introduction
We have often showed that Neandertals were varieties of modern man. This comes from both morphology (body form), because their features are within the full range of living humans; and intelligence, because of their associated artefacts (their brains were even bigger than ours on average, for what its worth).

Thus biblical creationists regard them as post-Babel descendants of Noah. This is one point of disagreement with progressive creationists (such as Hugh Ross)their compromise on ages means that any human-like fossils before their date of Adam are relegated to soulless hominids. See Related Articles for more information on these issues.

What was found
A recent paper in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) USA reports on more evidence that the Neandertals had genuine symbolic thought.1 This paper, by Neandertal expert Joo Zilho of Bristol University and his coworkers, re-analyzed a well-known Neandertal culture known as the Chtelperronian. This is named after the cave called Grotte de Fes at Chtelperron in Central France. This cave was first excavated in the 1840s; similar culture is found in Spain and France, and is radiocarbon dated to 44,000 evolutionary years old.

Neandertals and other varieties of humans show human cognition and symbolic thinking, which date back to before these varieties split at Babel.
The artefacts include ornaments and decorated bone tools. But many had dismissed the Neandertal origin of these artefacts, because of the stratigraphy. That is, the rock layers were allegedly proof that modern humans had replaced the supposedly more primitive Neandertals at the site. But higher rock layers, above the undisputed modern human layers called the Aurignacian, were supposedly evidence that the Neandertals had returned. Thus they were accused of merely borrowing or imitating the cultural novelties from modern humans.2

However, Zilhos team showed that the nice stratigraphic pattern was illusory. Indeed, some of the Neandertal levels overlying those belonging to the modern humans were just backdirt from nineteenth-century fossil hunting. And some of the Aurignacian artifacts were actually isolated intrusions into the Chtelperronian, while bones were assembled by carnivores.

What it means
Zilho concluded:

This discovery, along with research on the rock strata at other cave sites, has huge implications for how we view the European Neandertals and, more widely, human evolution. The differences between Neandertals and modern humans may be much less than had been previously thought, suggesting that human cognition and symbolic thinking may date back to before the two sub-species split around 400,000 years ago.2
Removing the evolutionary interpretive lens from that, biblical creationists could conclude from the same data:

Neandertals and other varieties of humans show human cognition and symbolic thinking, which date back to before these varieties split at Babel. This is consistent with all humans, including Neandertals, being descended from Adam and Eve, whom God created in His image (Genesis 1:2627, 3:20, 1 Corinthians 15:45).

Bobbye answered on 08/30/06:

NEANDERTHALS & GOLF CLUBS:

The golf club was the first tool used by primitive man, thus distiguishing him from the apes. See "Nean-der-thal erectus" in the "Grove Encyclopedia of the Ascent of Man."

Just a tidbit for the soup! LOL

Bobbye

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Coup_de_Grace asked on 08/21/06 - Baptist Minister Fires Female Sunday School Teacher

Church Fires Teacher for Being Female

WATERTOWN, N.Y. (Aug. 21) - The minister of a church that dismissed a female Sunday School teacher after adopting what it called a literal interpretation of the Bible says a woman can perform any job - outside of the church.

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The First Baptist Church dismissed Mary Lambert on Aug. 9 with a letter explaining that the church had adopted an interpretation that prohibits women from teaching men. She had taught there for 54 years.

The letter quoted the first epistle to Timothy: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

The Rev. Timothy LaBouf, who also serves on the Watertown City Council, issued a statement saying his stance against women teaching men in Sunday school would not affect his decisions as a city leader in Watertown, where all five members of the council are men but the city manager who runs the city's day-to-day operations is a woman.


"I believe that a woman can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that she desires to" outside of the church, LaBouf wrote Saturday.

Mayor Jeffrey Graham, however, was bothered by the reasons given Lambert's dismissal.

"If what's said in that letter reflects the councilman's views, those are disturbing remarks in this day and age," Graham said. "Maybe they wouldn't have been disturbing 500 years ago, but they are now."

Lambert has publicly criticized the decision, but the church did not publicly address the matter until Saturday, a day after its board met.

In a statement, the board said other issues were behind Lambert's dismissal, but it did not say what they were."

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Pathetic, just pathetic.


Any comments?

Bobbye answered on 08/22/06:

I wonder if that pastor's church were on fire if he would refuse to let a female carry the water hose???? But, of course, she could spray the outside of the building -- not the inside! LOL

"Ignorance," all wool and a yard wide.

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 08/21/06 - Here is a poll peddler7118 asked for

Peddler said As far as I can tell everyone here except me and Dgrade hate Tom. They say I am his daughter who they hate as well.
Maybe you can do a poll and see who they hate more, me or Tom.
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So here is the questions.
1. Do you HATE Toms777?
2. Do you Hate peddler?
My answer is I hate neither one of them. I hate no one.
But apparently peddler thinks they hate him and Toms (that is his use of the word they whoever they are)
So please, let them know how many here hate them of do not hate them.
Thanks a bunch,
Fred

Bobbye answered on 08/22/06:

I HIGHLY RESPECT TOM. In fact, in times past when darts were flying, I stood with him. I still admire his scholarly approach to Scripture. His Choleric approach gets him in hot water from time to time, but it's those same traits that make him a leader! (I know wherein I speak. I'm a Choleric temperament!)

Re "Peddler," she commented to MaggieB on this OPEN Board that she was not "Ruth."

In one of my responses to one of her queries I referred to her as "Tom's daughter." SHE SAYS SHE IS NOT RUTH, NOR TOM'S DAUGHTER. DOES THAT IMPLY HATE FROM ANYONE WHO MIGHT SUGGEST SUCH? Of course not! In fact, I apologized for not recalling her name. Tom's daughter was on another Board only briefly before it went another direction. At the time she was quite young, while expressing responses as a mature Bible student.

There are a number on Answerway who not only cut and pasted -- in the days of another Board -- to our wordprocessor, but kept HARD COPIES of responses -- particularly the scholarly responses of Professor1000, et al.

THE COMPARISON THAT MAGGIE MADE TO RUTH, AND THAT I MADE TO "TOM'S DAUGHTER," WAS BASED UPON "SUBJECT MATTER!" Some of you from days of yore might recall some of the same material, particularly "new earth," etc., etc., etc................

HATE? No one here "hates" anyone. Many disagree, but I don't know of anyone who "hates!" In fact, when I asked an "expert" why he hated Jesus and the Blood of Jesus, I was slapped down by several well-meaning Christians for asking such. He still hates the Blood of Jesus. How do I know? This is not the only Board he traverses. I didn't accuse him of hating anyone -- just Jesus and His Blood. I STAND BY MY STATEMENTS! (And, "Yes, he is still among us on this Board!")

BTW, to the above-referened "expert" and to Freethinker I am not "Fritz." I have never used any handle other than "Bobbye" on this Board or any other Board. In fact, MaggieB and I are two of the few who use our own names, other than Laura. If you know my city of residence, you can locate me in the telephone directory -- as some of you have and have called me. I'm highly visible!

Bobbye

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TTRalph asked on 08/21/06 - Necessary for salvation????

How many experts, Christian and non-Christian, believe that one cannot (to use a Christian idiom) 'be saved' without believing that every single word, jot and tittle of Genesis is the inerrant, inspired word of God, which MUST be taken literally????
Be as succint or voluble as you choose! But please do not fall back on the old circular reasoning: "I believe the Bible because the Bible tells me to believe the Bible". You might just as well say " I believe the Quran because the Quran tells me to believe the Quran".

Bobbye answered on 08/21/06:

TT: That's a given when I quote Jesus!

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TTRalph asked on 08/21/06 - Why?

As an avid student of Biblical history and exegesis, I have always been fascinated by the millenialist belief of many Christians that Christ will return to establish, on earth, a thousand year reign.

My questions:

1) WHY???

2) Does this not imply that Jesus Christ left something unfinished when he died on the cross??? As many Christians have recently posted "Mission Accomplished"...what else could be gained by returning to earth?

3. What could possibly take 1,000 years to accomplish???

4. What happens at the end of those thousand years....does Jesus Christ go back to being some amorphous entitity in a celestial kingdom????

5. Why has this return been falsely predicted more than a hundred times since Christ's death?????

6. Or is this simply wish fullfillment on the part of many Christians.

Bobbye answered on 08/21/06:

(1) WHY?

MERCY! In the sequence of events 144,000 Jews will be saved: 12,000 from each Tribe. These will come out of The Great Tribulation.

(2) God has never left anything undone. However, He is a God of order and everything will follow in "its time." Therefore, the events concerning God's Plan of Redemption of Mankind includes "The Millennial Reign of Christ" upon the earth.

(3) WHAT HAPPENS? "A day is as a thousand years with The Lord." No one can correctly identify the 1,000 years" -- greater or less -- so it is best left to The One Who is in charge of the event.

4) I'll give you an outline at the bottom of this post that will answer most of the above.

(5) FALSELY PREDICTED? How so?
God doesn't work on our timetable. He works on His. This is a future event -- as "Mission Accomplished" can only be a positive when you identify the "Mission" with its conclusive evidence.

(6) A WISH FULFILLMENT? No, it is Biblical.

OUTLINE:

A. SEVEN JUDGMENTS:

1. OUR SINS JUDGED AT CALVARY

2. SELF-JUDGMENT: "If we judge ourselves, we shall not be judged."

= RETURN OF CHRIST FOR HIS SAINTS:
THE RAPTURE: "Harpazo" -- GREEK

= WE MEET JESUS IN THE AIR:


3. THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST : The Bema Seat: In The Heavenlies

= REWARDS OR LOSS OF CROWNS (DIADEMS). There are five crowns mentioned in Scripture that will be awarded at this Judgment.

= THE BRIDE IS NOW "MADE READY" WITH HER ADORNMENT OF CROWNS FOR HER GROOM!

= MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB

= MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB

= SEVEN-YEAR WEDDING FEAST.

= MEANWHILE, THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS TAKING PLACE ON EARTH. (The time will be shortened to 3-1/2 years for "the elect's sake:" Israel.)

THEN:

4. THE THRONE OF CHRIST'S GLORY: Proving that He is "King of Kings and Lord of Lords."

= JUDGMENT OF LIVING NATIONS (As to how they treated Israel during The Great Tribulation.) Judgment No. 4

= JUDGMENT OF ISRAEL: Judgment for not dispersing The Gospel. Judgment No. 5

6. THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT: IN HEAVEN: Revelation 20:11-15

"When Christ Returns WITH His Saints."

= JUDGMENT OF FALLEN ANGELS (We shall also judge angels.) Judgment No. 6

= JUDGMENT OF WICKED DEAD (Where every individual will be included who refused Christ as Saviour.) Judgment No. 7
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Bobbye



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TTRalph asked on 08/21/06 - Necessary for salvation????

How many experts, Christian and non-Christian, believe that one cannot (to use a Christian idiom) 'be saved' without believing that every single word, jot and tittle of Genesis is the inerrant, inspired word of God, which MUST be taken literally????
Be as succint or voluble as you choose! But please do not fall back on the old circular reasoning: "I believe the Bible because the Bible tells me to believe the Bible". You might just as well say " I believe the Quran because the Quran tells me to believe the Quran".

Bobbye answered on 08/21/06:

Jesus said, "Ye must be born again." He didn't say if you could read or write, or know anything of Hermeneutics or the genesis of anything or anyone: He merely stated a simple solution to man's fall in the Garden of Eden: "Ye must be born again."

Bobbye

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peddler7118 asked on 08/21/06 - Is Philosophy Christian?

The "modern" theory of "evolution" was taught by the Greeks who gleaned it from the Babylonians during the Hebrew captivity, the time David was in Mesopotamia.

Life started in a warm little pond , fish became people, the struggle for survival, one animal turning into another etc.
Is this what the bible teaches or is it an anti-God religion?

http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/evolutio.htm

Bobbye answered on 08/21/06:

DAVID IN MESOPOTAMIA? When?

Peddler (sorry I don't recall your name when you were on AskMe.com, but I do recall that you are Toms777's daughter and you were much younger at that time):

My question to you is, "When was David in Mesopotamia?" It couldn't have been during the "Hebrew captivity," as the folllowing time-line refutes same.

From Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary:
1040 B.C., Birth of David

1003 B.C., Became King of Israel.

1002- 995 B.C., Expanded His Kingdom.

975-970 B.C., Last years of life/reign.

970 B.C., Died, although one source indicates 961 B.C. as death.

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HEBREW CAPTIVITY: 586 B.C.

A bit of background re the "Hebrew Captivity:"

NORTHERN KINGDOM: 10 Tribes
"As a result of the spiritual rebellion of Israel, God permitted the Jews to be exiled from their homelands.

"Samaria, of the Northern Kingdom (land of Jacob, the patriarch, father of Joseph who became Prime Minister of Egypt in the time of the great famine), was overrun by the Assyrians in 721 - 720 B.C.,and the majority of the Samaritans were taken into captivity and deported into Media: II Kings 17:6."

SOUTHERN KINGDOM: 2 Tribes
"Although the Northern Kingdom (Samaria) led the rebellion, eventually, in 586 B.C., Judea (Jerusalem) and the Southern Kingdom fell prey to the same sin of the Northern Kingdom. Therefore, God allowed Judah (Judea) to be invaded and deported to Babylon.

"After 50 years of Babylonian captivity, in 538 B.C., under Shesh-bazzar, the exiles began to rturn. Seventy years later, under the leadership of Governor Zerubbabel and Joshua, the High priest, an additional remnant of the exiles journeyed back to Jerusalem. THESE WERE THE JEWS WHO HAD REMAINED "FAITHFUL JEWS" and had kept God's ordinance that no Jew was to marry outside the Jewish raace (although they were removed geographically from their Jewish race for many years). UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PROPHETS HAGGAI AND ZECHARIAH, THE TEMPLE WAS REBUILT BY THE RETURNING REMNANT: EZRA 1."

Source:
Robbins, Ray F. "The Life & Ministry of Our Lord." Convention Press; Nashville, TN, 1970.
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IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION:

NO! "The modern theory of evolution"..."taught by the Greeks," as you have posted, IS NOT BIBLICAL.

However, everything on the planet has evolved from its original state. Take a look at the obesity in America! And we continue to "evolve" -- for better or for worse.

Of course, evolution to which you refer above is opposed to God's Word.

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 06/15/06 - Does the objective universe exist???????????????

Before leaving to go up north to see our new family member I just had to take the time to share this with you.
Last night I was reading an article about Quantum Weirdness.
Heisnberg and Neils Bohr from observations came up with the idea that an atomic partial called an electron does not have a position or motion unless someone looks at it. That was back in the 1930s
So, in fact the particle does not become matter until it is disturbed by observation. Prior to that it is but an energy wave.
Now it is increasingly accepted by quantum scholars that no object in the universe exists, that "observations" are the cosmos. In other words, without your mind things do not exist.
Stephen Hawking and others presume that countless realities in addition to the world we observe exist.
It is all in the mind.
All that first exists is the mind then all else follows.
Then this thought hit me...
Now from where do our minds come? Answer: From the image of God in which we were created. Our minds exist in Gods infinite mind and therefore we exist and all that we image as matter and activities comes into existence for us to observe into a reality.
Theologians claim that the soul is a mind separate from the brain. In essence it is the entity which gives the brain its other functions.
If so, then, without the mind even our brain or the rest of our body does not exist.
Theology tells us that no one created God because he is existence itself.
Without the mind of God nothing would exist. God thinks therefore we and all else was, is, and will be.
Now I am beginning so see why so many who study Quantum Physics and Mechanics believe in a Supermind, or the Highest Power that people title as God.
How do you see that?
Do you see it as making sense or nonsense?
In my case it really makes me wonder.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Bobbye answered on 06/16/06:

Reminds me of my 10th grade Science class where it was debated daily: "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it, is there a sound?" Same principle as you have stated above in the first few paragraphs.

However, as you progress in your post toward "the mind of God," the answer is simple: "For in Him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, 'We are His offspring." Acts 17:28

We're connected to the Supreme Source called "God!" Therefore, we are and we shall be!

Bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 06/09/06 - "Getting the devil out" ... or "Murder in the name of Jesus"? ................ .....


A case before the court involves a 200 lb evangelist who laid and knelt on an eight-year old autistic boy's chest in an exorcism. The boy died. (Earlier attempts had included beating the boy with belts and bruising him.)

The evangelist's brother, the bishop or pastor of the congregation said that they were only doing what had been done in the Bible. In this connection he referred to:

9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.

10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.

11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.

12 And they brought the young man alive, and were not a little comforted.


The evangelist pressed so hard on this poor boy that he urinated and defaecated before he died - he was struggling for his poor little life and he lost the unequal struggle after two hours!

Is this kind of rite really sanctioned by the Bible as the Bishop cliams, or is it folly gone mad enough to murder?

Should churches such as this that practice rituals resulting in injury and death be outlawed as dangerous cults, or can you find some reasonable justification for this kind of activity in the name of Jesus?

My position is that I would lock the whole shebang of them up together and throw away the key.



Bobbye answered on 06/10/06:

IGNORANCE TURNED TO MURDER! They should be tried for murder, as anyone else would be.

Unless these ministers have a track record of "raising the dead," they chose the wrong time and wrong victim for "in-house training!" They had no anointing for such practice -- no matter how many Scriptures they quote! Even JESUS said: "This kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting!" I read of no mention of prayer and fasting concerning Scripture or the Will of God before attempting such brutality!

Where were other adults when the child was beaten and bruised with a belt? CRIMINAL!

Yes, such churches should be stripped of their Articles of Incorporation (from the State), as well as their 501(c)3 from the IRS.

WORSE THAN CRIMINAL! This child was defenseless -- while adults stood by and did nothing!

Bobbye

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jackreade asked on 06/07/06 - "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"

Above title, a sermon given by Jonathan Edwards. I pulled out a paragraph for everyone to read, but I suggest you google the name in the subject box and read it for yourself, if interested.

"The wrath of God is like great waters that are dammed for the present; they increase more and more, and rise higher and higher, till an outlet is given; and the longer the stream is stopped, the more rapid and mighty is its course, when once it is let loose. It is true, that judgment against your evil works has not been executed hitherto; the floods of God's vengeance have been withheld; but your guilt in the mean time is constantly increasing, and you are every day treasuring up more wrath; the waters are constantly rising, and waxing more and more mighty; and there is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, that holds the waters back, that are unwilling to be stopped, and press hard to go forward. If God should only withdraw his hand from the flood-gate, it would immediately fly open, and the fiery floods of the fierceness and wrath of God, would rush forth with inconceivable fury, and would come upon you with omnipotent power; and if your strength were ten thousand times greater than it is, yea, ten thousand times greater than the strength of the stoutest, sturdiest devil in hell, it would be nothing to withstand or endure it."

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I remember from American history class the talk about fire and brimstone sermons; this is the first one I have read.

What do you think?

Bobbye answered on 06/08/06:

A "classic" or it wouldn't continue to be discussed in every homiletical class since Rev. Edwards brought terror to the unsaved.

Bobbye

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belle33 asked on 06/07/06 - BeezleBush

I am having a little temporary trouble with my typing finger at the moment(the social finger actually, sure wish you could see the shape its in). I know you are a charter member of the intelligentsia amd I'm a twit so no need to try and contend with you and I don't want to anyway. I'm aware that you hve a lot of fawning over you because you are so intelligent and I'll just follow suit and fawn over you too. when in Rome

Bobbye answered on 06/08/06:

"Handles?" And I was just chastised by one of the "brilliant" on the Board for identifying "handles." LOL, LOL

Great sleuthing and clue-dropping Beelze!

Bobbye

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belle33 asked on 06/04/06 - End of the World

I've heard that at the end of the world, or when Jesus returns, the saved will be caught upin the air and taken to heaven. Then again, I've heard that Jesus will reign on earth a thousand years and all will have a chance to repent. Please help me understand this. ALso either way, I dont understand when the judgement of the living and the dead occurs.

Bobbye answered on 06/04/06:

Belle:

I will give you an outline re "timeline" concerning the things of which you are inquiring.
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(1) The Second Coming of Christ FOR His saints. "The Rapture" (Greek: "harpazo" -- "snatching away" of The Church (Blood-washed believers). ONLY BELIEVERS ARE IN THE RAPTURE.

The "dead in Christ shall rise first; and we which are alive shall be caught up with them to meet Him in the air."

= Dead in Christ rise first.

= Living saints join the dead in Christ in the air.

= "Caught up together" to meet Christ in the air.

(2) THE JUDGMENT SEAT (BEMA SEAT) OF CHRIST: Where Christ will distribute crowns/rewards to Christians only -- according to our works.

FIVE CROWNS: (1) Crown of Life (martyr's crown); (2) Crown of Glory (pastor or shepherd's crown); (3) Crown of Rejoicing (soul-winner's crown); (4) Crown of Righteousness (for those who love His appearing); and (5) Crown Incorruptible (victor's crown).

(3) TRE MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB and THE MARRIAGE SUPPER OF THE LAMB.

The Bride (the church)is part of the marriage ceremony; therefore, those "called to the marriage supper (the guests)" are the Old Testament saints who "believed the promise afar off."

(4) THE GREAT TRIBULATION (Christians will not take part in this, for they have been raptured prior to this time.)

= War on every continent shall occur; God's Wrath Poured Out!

(5) THE ANTICHRIST WILL BE REVEALED: His nature; his duration, and his doom is disussed in Scripture.

(6) THE RETURN OF THE LORD WITH HIS SAINTS.

= The Battle of Armageddon

(7) EVENTS THAT FOLLOW THE BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON:

= Conversion of Jewish nation.

= The beast and false prophet cast into the Lake of Fire.

= The chaining of Satan.

(8) THE THRONE OF CHRIST'S GLORY:

= Judgment of Living Nations (judged for the way they treat Israel during The Tribulation).

= Judgment of Israel (concerning the Messiah; the Gospel, and concerning their commission and refusal to take the Gospel "to all the world."

(9) THE MILLENIAL REIGN OF CHRIST: 1,000 YEARS

= Christ, Himself, shall rule the earth from Jerusalem.

= The world shall (during this time) be at peace!

(10) THE GREAT WHITE-THRONE JUDGMENT: For
Unbelievers only! No saved person will be in this judgment. The "final dispersal" of every living being on earth.

= Judgment of Fallen Angels [Saints (believers) will joins with Christ in judging the angels of Revelation 12 who fell with Lucifer. "What, shall we not also judge angels?"]

= Judgment of the Wicked Dead (Those who rejected Christ and WERE NOT RAPTURED WITH THE CHURCH, as well as those remaining on earth through The Tribulation and are present when Christ returns WITH His saints. NO BELIEVER WILL STAND IN THIS JUDGMENT.)

Be blessed,
Bobbye


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HANK1 asked on 06/03/06 - The Bible:



Is it POSSIBLE that the Bible was a work of fiction?

Bobbye answered on 06/04/06:

NO! God's Word is "...forever settled in heaven." No work of fiction can make this claim, nor prove this claim!

Also, God's Word is "...quick (alive), powerful, and sharper than a two-edged sword; dividing assunder to the joints and the marrow; judging the very thoughts and intents of the heart:" Hebrews 4:12. No other work can make or prove this claim!

Blessings,
bobbye

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HANK1 asked on 06/03/06 - Jesus:



Did Jesus escape death on the cross?

Bobbye answered on 06/04/06:

NO! That's why He came to earth!

"Without the shedding of blood there is no remission (forgiveness) of sin." NO WAY COULD HE HAVE ESCAPED DEATH (physically or volitionally), NOR DID HE!

Jesus could have called the angels, but He chose to "do the will of the Father" in completing His mission on earth.

Blessings,
bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 06/03/06 - How do you understand this Bible verse, especially

the phrase in bold:

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

Bobbye answered on 06/03/06:

"Little" refers to "time."

I questioned this passage in the past and found several sources that concur;i.e., "'...for a while' he was made a little lower than the angels."

"Who was made, 'for a little time,' lower than the angels" -- referring to His incarnation! For the brief time that He was on earth (33-1/2 years)He was made (wrapped in humanity) lower than the angels.

"And the word was MADE flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory...."
John 1:14

Bobbye

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jackreade asked on 05/25/06 - "Celebrity" Non-Believers

I ran across a website...celebrity atheists, agnostics, etc, and thought it was interesting.

Do Christians fell inclined to change their attitude towards any of the people they know on the list?.... Not read their books, go to their performances, or whatever? Feel free to name names or surprises. I didn't know that many of these "celebrities".

The only thing that surprised me, I guess, was that Bill Mayer was listed as ambiguous; I would have bet the rent he was an atheist.

The Atheist and the Materialist

those who have no need for gods and some who have no need for the supernatural

Douglas Adams, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Woody Allen, Lance Armstrong, Darren Aronofsky, Isaac Asimov, Peter William Atkins, David Attenborough, Iain M. Banks, Clive Barker, Dave Barry, Bill Bass, Ingmar Bergman, Bjrk, Lewis Black, Bill Blass, Jim Bohanan, Marlon Brando, Richard Branson, Berkeley Breathed, Bill Bryson, Peter Buck, Warren Buffett, George Carlin, John Carmack, Adam Carolla, John Carpenter, Asia Carrera, Fidel Castro, Dick Cavett, Noam Chomsky, Chumbawamba, Alexander Cockburn, Billy Connolly, Francis Crick, David Cronenberg, David Cross, Alan Cumming, Rodney Dangerfield, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, David Deutsch, Ani DiFranco, Micky Dolenz, Phil Donahue, Roger Ebert, Dean Edell, Greg Egan, Paul Ehrlich, Albert Einstein, Harlan Ellison, Brian Eno, Harvey Fierstein, Larry Flynt, Dave Foley, Jodie Foster, Janeane Garofalo, Bill Gates, Bob Geldof, Ricky Gervais, David Gilmour, Ira Glass, James Gleick, Seth Green, Harry Harrison, Robert Heinlein, Nat Hentoff, Katharine Hepburn, Christopher Hitchens, Douglas Hofstadter, Penn Jillette, Billy Joel, Angelina Jolie, Wendy Kaminer, Jonathan Katz, Diane Keaton, Margot Kidder, Neil Kinnock, Michael Kinsley, Ron Kuby, Milan Kundera, Richard Leakey, Bruce Lee, Tom Lehrer, Stanislaw Lem, Tom Leykis, James Lipton, H.P. Lovecraft, John Malkovich, Barry Manilow, Karl Marx, Todd McFarlane, Sir Ian McKellen, Arthur Miller, Frank Miller, Mike Mills, Marvin Minsky, Julianne Moore, Desmond Morris, Randy Newman, Mike Nichols, Jack Nicholson, Gary Numan, Bob Odenkirk, Patton Oswalt, Camille Paglia, Andy Partridge, Mark Pauline, Steven Pinker, Paula Poundstone, Terry Pratchett, James Randi, Ron Reagan Jr., Keanu Reeves, Rick Reynolds, Gene Roddenberry, Joe Rogan, Henry Rollins, Andy Rooney, Salman Rushdie, Douglas Rushkoff, John Sayles, Captain Sensible, Robert Silverberg, Bob Simon, Steven Soderbergh, George Soros, Richard Stallman, Bruce Sterling, Howard Stern, J. Michael Straczynski, Julia Sweeney, Matthew Sweet, Annika Srenstam, Teller, Studs Terkel, Tom Tomorrow, Linus Torvalds, Eddie Vedder, Paul Verhoeven, Gore Vidal, Kurt Vonnegut Jr., Sarah Vowell, James Watson, Steven Weinberg, Joss Whedon, Harland Williams, Ted Williams, Steve Wozniak, MORE...
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The Agnostic

those who declare themselves agnostic

Margaret Atwood, Susie Bright, Vincent Bugliosi, Robert X. Cringely, Clarence Darrow, Charles Darwin, Alan Dershowitz, Richard Dreyfuss, Umberto Eco, Timothy Ferris, Carrie Fisher, Stephen Jay Gould, Matt Groening, Bob Guccione, Robert (Bob) James Lee Hawke, David Horowitz, Bob Hoskins, Robert Jastrow, Matt Johnson, Jack Kevorkian, Larry King, Tony Kushner, Dave Matthews, Larry Niven, Neil Peart, Sean Penn, Roman Polanski, Bertrand Russell, Carl Sagan, Dan Savage, James Taylor, Charles Templeton, Uma Thurman, Ted Turner, Robert Anton Wilson, MORE...
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The Ambiguous

apparently skeptical of theism or religion -- need more info

Trey Anastasio, Richard Dean Anderson, John Perry Barlow, Michael Caine, Arthur C. Clarke, George Clooney, Billy Corgan, Dalai Lama, David Duchovny, Patrick Duffy, Danny Elfman, Kinky Friedman, Liam Gallagher, Noel Gallagher, Mikhail Gorbachev, Spalding Gray, Stephen Hawking, Hugh Hefner, Sir Edmund Hillary, Molly Ivins, Mark Knopfler, Stan Lee, Monica Lewinsky, G. Gordon Liddy, Bill Maher, Marilyn Manson, Sarah McLachlan, Mojo Nixon, Krist Novoselic, Emo Philips, Natalie Portman, Christopher Reeve, Andy Richter, Oliver Sacks, William Shatner, Neil Simon, Mira Sorvino, Donald Sutherland, Mark Twain, Gene Wilder, Bruce Willis, Edward O. Wilson, Terry Wogan.

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Bobbye answered on 05/26/06:

Choux, even when we elect a President, "There shall be no test of religious beliefs."

So why would anyone judge another in any profession on his beliefs?

When I hire a plumber, I want him to repair the plumbing -- not engage in a religious debate. So why should we boycott any of the above. If you enjoy their talent or services, go for it.

Christianity is not as "narrow" as some on this Board have painted us. "Perception" is the culprit.

Be blessed,
bobbye

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arcura asked on 05/24/06 - Is this a joke or not? Good or Bad? Your thots please.

Earthquake in Mexico
A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale has hit Mexico.

Two million Mexicans have died and over a million are injured.

The country is totally ruined and the government doesn't know where to start with asking for help to rebuild.

The rest of the world is in shock.

Canada is sending troopers to help the Mexican army control the riots.

Saudi Arabia is sending oil.

Other Latin American countries are sending supplies.

The European community is sending food and money.

The United States, not to be outdone, is sending two million replacement Mexicans.

Bobbye answered on 05/24/06:

Fred, "two million replacements Mexicans" = "TWO MILLION SOULS!"

I live in a city of 5MM, and I live in one of only TWO of the communities in this city that is not 98 percent Hispanic (or other ethnic groups). Therefore, I, of all people, understand the problems at the Border, which should have been addressed years ago.

However, in discussing the problem, we need to be SENSITIVE TO THE PEOPLE. WHAT IF YOU WERE SEEKING FOOD AND FINANCE TO FEED YOUR FAMILY? WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO ACCOMPLISH SAME? I won't mention rich PEMEX that should be taking care of the Mexican people.

This immigration problem is a problem that HAS A SOLUTION! We need to "search 'til we find it, and if we can't find it;" well, I'll NOT IGNORE IT NOR WILL I "NEVER MIND IT!" I will continue to search and hope until a fair and balanced solution is provided.

But above all, WDJD?

Bobbye
P.S. We should be looking NORTH of our borders at Canada. That's where the terrorists can simply walk through on "the honor system" and enter America. THIS IS A PROBLEM! I've heard no one joke about the terrorits (immigrants) entering from Canada.

Something to think about!

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belle33 asked on 05/24/06 - Is it a sin

to believe that Jesus is not God but His son? If one does not believe the trinity theory is it a sin?

Bobbye answered on 05/24/06:

Belle, to NOT BELIEVE that "Jesus is God" is comparable to saying, "Jesus can't save" -- FOR ONLY GOD CAN REDEEM; TRANSFORM; SAVE; RANSOM; RESCUE A HUMAN SOUL FROM DESTRUCTION! For "Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost."

Jesus Himself said: "I count it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD!" John 10:30
("One": In the GREEK "One" is neuter: "One thing," not "one person." THE TWO ARE ONE IN ESSENCE OR NATURE, BUT THEY ARE NOT IDENTICAL PERSONS. THIS GREAT TRUTH IS WHAT WARRANTS JESUS' "I AM" DECLARATION.)

Also, before Jesus ascended to The Father to be seated at the Father's right hand, Jesus said: "IF I GO NOT AWAY THE COMFORTER (The Holy Spirit) WILL NOT COME. BUT, IF I GO AWAY, I WILL PRAY THE FATHER AND HE WILL SEND YOU "ANOTHER" COMFORTER. And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin; of righteousness and judgment." John 16:7-8

(1) The Father (Creator)
(2) The Son: Jesus (John 1:1 AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD (logos: Greek) WAS GOD!
(3) The Holy Spirit: The Comforter, the ONLY Member of the Godhead here on earth today.

ADD THE MATH: 1+1+1=3 (TRINITY) Anything in 3's in the English language is a "trinity;" "triology;" "triune," etc. "Tri" means "three" in our English!

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Loving Father; the Living Saviour, and He indwells the believer today.

Belle, your TRANSLATION states in John 1:1 "...AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS a god."

Your translation is not an "AUTHORIZED" VERSION OF THE BIBLE. It is one man's interpretation. You've seen much discussion of Scripture in the last few days on this Board -- differences because we all study from various sources. HOWEVER, THE AGREEMENT OF OUR DISCUSSION ALWAYS COMES BACK TO THE "AUTHORIZED VERSION OF THE BIBLE!"

I do not mean to offend you, but you have asked; you are seeking, and all of us are trying to help.

Be blessed,
bobbye

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belle33 asked on 05/24/06 - HOW

in teh heck DOSES one get back to the question board after looking at the answers to their question? (or something like that)

Bobbye answered on 05/24/06:

Hit "BACK" on your toolbar, just above the address:http://www....... This is easier for me.

Bobbye

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hOPE12 asked on 05/23/06 - Armageddon

WHAT DO YOU THINK ARMAGEDDON IS?

A nuclear holocaust

An environmental disaster

A collision of a celestial body with the earth

Divine destruction of the wicked

When you hear about Armageddon what comes to your mind?
What is Armageddon to you?

Take care,
Hope12

Bobbye answered on 05/23/06:

ARMAGEDDON! The last point you have listed: "Divine Destruction of the Wicked!"

Revelation 19:15 tells us that the Lord shall destroy the army of the Antichrist with the word of His mouth. HE SHALL NOT EMPLOY THE WEAPONS DEVISED BY MEN. The same God who created the earth and the heavens by the power of His word shall likewise destroy His enemies by the word of His power: Hebrews 1:3.
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WHAT ARMAGEDDON IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE.

Scripture references: Joel 3:9-14; Reveelation 14:14-20; Revelation 16:15-16, and Revelation 19:11-21.

I. WHAT IT IS NOT:
It is not a coming battle between America and any other nation. NEITHER IS IT A COMING BATTLE BETWEEN ANY TWO NATIONS ON EARTH.

It is not the spiritual victory of faith in one's heart at the time of Salvation.

Nor is it the constant battle between the spirit and the flesh.


II. WHAT ARMAGEDDON SHALL ACTUALLY BE:
According to Scripture, we learn that it is A COMING CONFLICT BETWEEN THE GODLESS FORCES OF THE ANTICHRIST, UNDER SATAN, AGAINST THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND HIS SAINTS.

It will be Satan's one great efffort to pit the forces of evil agianst the returning King of Kings!

Satan, the god of this world, will not willingly relinquish dominion over this planet earth. This will not be Satan's first attempt to destroy Christ; BUT IT WILL BE HIS MOST FORMIDABLE EFFORT!

Satan's first attempt to destroy Jesus was by Jewish law that decreed that a woman with child out of wedlock should be stoned --- as well as the male. Thus Jesus would have died in the death of the mother.

The next attempt by Satan was when Herod the Great issued the edict of "The Slaughter of the Innocents."

Another attempt by Satan to destroy Jesus occurred when Satan tempted Jesus to "cast Thyself down from this pinnacle..." (in The Temptations).

Of course, we must also consider the stoning at Nazareth when Jesus preached His initial sermon immediately after His Baptism in the River Jordan and The Wilderness Temptations that immediately followed -- and the people "...led him to the brow of the hill to stone him...."

THE ULTIMATE ATTEMPT OF SATAN TO DESTORY JESUS WAS CALVARY! But, "thanks be to God ... HE IS RISEN, INDEED!"


III. THE OUTCOME OF ARMAGEDDON:
The complete annihilation of the immense army of the Antichrist shall take place instantaneously and their blood shall flow to the depth of the horses' bridles by the space of about 200 miles.

This fearful event shall occur in the Valley of Jezreel and the Plain of Esdraelon at the foot of Mt. Megiddo -- which was the scene of many decisive battles in the history of Israel: the victory sung by Deborah and Barak. This is the "treading of the winepress of the wrath of God."

II Thessalonians 1:7-8; "...the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Doubtless the Antichrist and his army shall be equipped with the best weapons of war available; the greatest army ever assembled on earth shall be under the command of the Antichrist, awaiting the coming of the King from Heaven.

As man has always rebelled against God, ignoring the inevitable judgment of the Lord -- so shall this vast host, confident of victory, await the eternal doom that shall be theirs!

BUT, THE LORD SHALL DESTROY THE ARMY OF THE ANTICHRIST WITH THE WORD OF HIS MOUTH: REVELATION 19:15.

CHRIST SHALL NOT EMPLOY THE WEAPONS DEVISED BY MEN; RATHER, THE SAME GOD WHO CREATED THE EARTH AND THE HEAVENS BY THE POWER OF HIS WORD SHALL DESTORY HIS ENEMIES BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER (HEBREWS 1:3).

Be blessed,
bobbye

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arcura asked on 05/23/06 - Are you a descendent of Ham, Shem, or Japheth?

Check it out here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah

Bobbye answered on 05/23/06:

Japheth. I've studied this for years.

Thanks.
Bobbye

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arcura asked on 05/23/06 - What is your personal Christian exegesis on this?

John 16:5. But now I am going to him who sent me; yet none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?'
6. But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your hearts.
7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
8. And when he comes, he will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
9. concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
10. concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more;
11. concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. (From the RSV)

Bobbye answered on 05/23/06:

The Greek word for "reprove" is "elegcho," which means "to convict." The words is used twenty-three times in "The Trial of Socrates," as recorded by Plato. IT IS A LEGAL TERM!

In Jesus' statement: "...when he (the Holy Spirit) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment" was Jesus's instruction concerning the Holy Spirit's work here on earth. SIMPLY PUT: THE HOLY SPIRIT BROUGHT JUDGMENT TO THE EARTH UPON HIS APPEARANCE ON EARTH TO THE CORPORATE BODY -- "ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST!"

Jesus was comparing the work of The Holy Spirit to the way in which a judge or a prosecuting attorney presents evidence to bring conviction. One of The Holy Spirit's purposes here on earth is to present evidence -- evidence of the Deity of Christ; evidence of sinful man's need of a Saviour; evidence of His (The Holy Spirit's)work in conviction.

(1) "Of sin because they believe not on me...." THE GREATEST SIN OF MANKIND IS "UNBELIEF." To reject the belief in Jesus as Saviour is the sin for which everyone who is not part of the "Rapture" (yes, the word "rapture" is in the Bible: Greek: "harpazo (omega): "caught up", raptured, or snatched up")will stand at the Great White Throne Judgment (the "final judgment) to be judged for the sin of "unbelief."

(2) "He will convict the world of righteousness." The world stands convicted by The Holy Spirit for lawlessness. Thus, it is not enough to have our sins forgiven, BUT WE MUST TAKE ON THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST (WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US THROUGH CHRIST: PHILIPPIANS 3:8-9), AS THE WORLD IS JUDGED FOR LAWLESSNESS OR "LACK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Because of the judgment upon the world we must take on the "righteousness of Christ" in order to escape this same judgment as an inhabitant of the world.

(3) The Holy Spirit convicts the world of judgment BECAUSE THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD IS JUDGED. We live in a judged world (the earth was cursed from the Garden of Eden); thus we have been judged and found guilty. However, The Cross of Calvary has removed our guilt -- while the Holy Spirit continues to convict the lost for their need of a Saviour in order to escape judgment.

The Apostle Paul reasoned with Felix concering "judgment to come."

Be blessed,
bobbye

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belle33 asked on 05/22/06 - BLoodline

I've heard all the hoopla about the Da Vinci code. Could there still be a blood line from Jesus's brothers and sisters? Where is Aton?

Bobbye answered on 05/23/06:

See Blueboy's response to Hank's post: "Who were Sarah's parents?" Therein lies "the missing in action."

BTW, bloodline from Jesus's brothers and sisters? Check Joseph's children, who would have been much older than Jesus, and you will eliminate your search for "bloodline."

I could say this much more explicitly, but some would think that I have embraced teachings from the Catholic church. (God forbid! Truth couldn't possibly come from any source other than the religious brainwashings of our own denominations!)

I have an open mind to truth -- whether it come from the Catholics or anyone else, particularly when it comes to genealogies, etc.

Bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 05/21/06 - When Is It Right To Abandon Our Personal Quest For Spiritual Truth?


It is evident that any open-minded search for truth requires courage, constancy, and humility. To quote an ancient prayer:

From the cowardice that shrinks from new truth,
From the laziness that is content with half truth,
From the arrogance that thinks it knows all the truth,
O God of truth, deliver us.

Is it ever right to abandon our quest for spiritual truth, and, if so, when is it right to do so?

Bobbye answered on 05/22/06:

"When we see Christ!"

As the old hymn goes, "But until then my heart will go on go on singing (searching): Until the day God calls me home."

Be blessed,
bobbye

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whitefawn_ asked on 05/21/06 - An Example Of The Father?

Could The LORD Jehovah had given us an example of how it would feel to give up your only Son as he had tested Abraham with his Son Isaac?
As even in the book of genesis The Father sadly already knew there would come a day when he would give us his only begotten Son our Lord Jesus Christ as a Ransom sacrifice?

Even though, the LORD as loving as he is did have his Angels stop Abraham knowing he would do it for his love of the LORD the "Father of Jesus."

How do you interpret this scripture?

Thank you. Joy.



Ge 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, your only son, whom thou lovest, even Isaac, and get thee into the land of Moriah. And offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains, which I will tell thee of.

Bobbye answered on 05/22/06:

Joy, in the study of Biblical typology you will find that Abraham was a type of our Heavenly Father; Isaac, a type of Christ -- even to the carrying of the "wood" (Jesus carried His own Cross until He stumbled and fell beneath the weight; whereby, Simon of Cyrene [a black man] was snatched from the crowd to assist Jesus. I'd like to have interviewed the Cyrenian after he reached Mt. Calvary. I'M SURE HIS LIFE WAS NEVER THE SAME AFTER CARRYING THE CROSS FOR THE SAVIOUR!)

Was the Father sad? Isaiah 53:10 tells us "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed,he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand."

Was the Father saddened? Or was He joyful that His Son was put to death for our sins?

REDEMPTION'S PLAN WAS THE PURPOSE FOR CHRIST'S SOJOURN ON EARTH; THUS, THE COMPLETION OF THE FATHER'S PLAN PLEASED NOT ONLY THE FATHER, BUT BROUGHT JOY TO JESUS: "...who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame...." Hebrews 12:2.

The word "pleased" does not mean glee; rather, the deeper thought is "satisfaction" over Redemption's Plan!

People think of Jesus as a "man of sorrows who was acquainted with grief." Again, we have placed the wrong interpretation upon this verse. Jesus was not a sorrowful person on earth who was constantly grieved. Rather, "He bore our sorrows, thus he became acquanted with our sorrows and grief." Once you take something from another, you become acquainted or identify with the object taken.

Genesis definitely gives us a type and shadow of Christ's sacrificial death -- some 4,000 years before Calvary.

Be blessed.
bobbye


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HANK1 asked on 05/20/06 - WHO ARE ...



... the father and mother of Sarah?

HANK

Bobbye answered on 05/20/06:

Which "Sarah?" The Biblical Sarah (Sarai)who was Abraham's wife or the most recent "Sarah" that is also covered herein by respondents.

There are two scenarios here.

To whom are you SPECIFICALLY REFERRING, Hank? Abraham or the latest media spin to denegrade Biblical accounts?

Thanks.
bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 05/19/06 - Christians and Jews to be identified by Yellow and Red respectively in Iran if proposed law is appro

New Iranian law to require Jews to wear yellow band
By JPOST.COM STAFF

A new dress-code law reportedly passed in Iran this past week mandates the government to make sure that religious minorities - Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians - will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public, the Canadian National Post reported on Friday.

Under the new law, which still awaits final approval from Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Jews will have to wear a yellow band on their exterior in public, while Christians will be required to don red ones.

Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter responded to the new law Friday night, saying, "Whoever makes Jews anywhere wear the yellow star again, will find themselves in a coffin draped in black."

Furthermore, according to the law, the Iranian government has envisioned that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions.

The purpose for the law was to prevent Muslims from becoming najis "unclean" by accidentally shaking the hands of non-Muslims in public.

Ophir Paz-Pines, minister-without-portfolio responsible for culture, sports, science and technology, who is also a member of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in the Knesset, called on the government's secretary to ensure the issue be immediately addressed during the next Cabinet meeting.

"The State of Israel was created after the Holocaust in order to ensure it would not be repeated. The yellow star is a bright red warning sign that obligates us to muster the entire world in the face of events there [Iran]."

Paz-Pines also called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to make the issue his top priority when he visits Washington D.C. next week to meet US President George W. Bush.

Meretz Chairman Yossi Beilin said, "Israel could no longer be satisfied with warnings, and that the moment Jews are forced to wear the yellow band, Israel must act to evacuate all Jews from Iran." He added that, "Israel must stand at the forefront of efforts to separate Iran's crazy and Hitlerite regime from government control."

"The new law resembles the Holocaust," said head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, Rabbi Marvin Heir, and warned that, "Iran was nearing Nazi Ideology."

According to Army Radio, Wiesenthal Center officials sent a letter to United Nations Director General Kofi Annan urging him "not to ignore" the new law, and reminded him that, "The world ignored Hitler for many years."

The new law was drafted during the presidency of Muhammad Khatami in 2004, but was blocked. That blockage, however, has been removed under pressure from current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

According to Ahmadinejad, reported the National Post, the new Islamic uniforms will establish "visual equality" for Iranians as they prepare for the return of the Hidden Imam.

The final shape of the uniforms is yet to be established but there is consensus on a number of points.

The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations released a statement saying, "We have been seeking to clarify these reports but do not yet have confirmation. There are clear indications that various Iranian government agencies, including the Ministry of Commerce and Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance, are working on new uniforms to be introduced in the fall.

"While such legislation would be reminiscent of dark periods in the past, like the Nazi era when Jews and others had to wear identifying badges, it is also consistent with the racist and extremist ideology propagated by President Ahmadinejad.

We are monitoring the situation and seeking to ascertain the facts in order to determine the appropriate response."

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Comments?

Bobbye answered on 05/20/06:

Ronnie, "premature" in condemning any leader of Iran who has threatened to remove Israel from the face of this planet?

Sorry, but I'm seeing a different picture than you. However, I respect your opinion.

Bobbye

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jjgoss asked on 05/20/06 - Pat Robertson Predictions...

...In another in a series of notable pronouncements, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said God told him storms and possibly a tsunami would hit America's coastline this year...Do you believe him?...I mean, God would talk to some people...but Pat Robertson?.....Would God talk to a person who said that American agents should assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for Israel's pullout from the Gaza Strip?...

Bobbye answered on 05/20/06:

Storms hit America's coastlines EVERY YEAR! In fact, late night/early a.m. weather reports last night compared the 1954 hurricane pattern to what is expected this summer -- particularly around the Gulf Coast area.

Tsunami? Well, ask the residents of New Orleans and Mississippi if there's anything worse than their disasters!

Bobbye

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ROLCAM asked on 05/20/06 - John's two Greek words ??

1) " agape " and

2) " phileo "

In your view what do these two words fully express?

Bobbye answered on 05/20/06:

Agape; phileo; eros; storge

(1) Agape: God's love: the ultimate in expression of emptying one's self for another!

(2) Phileo: Brotherly love, as mention in I John 4:7-8: "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God, and everyone that loveth is born of God."

(3) Eros: Sensual expression wherein "lust" is confused with "love."

(4) Storge: Love among siblings; family.

Blessings,
bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 05/19/06 - Christians and Jews to be identified by Yellow and Red respectively in Iran if proposed law is appro

New Iranian law to require Jews to wear yellow band
By JPOST.COM STAFF

A new dress-code law reportedly passed in Iran this past week mandates the government to make sure that religious minorities - Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians - will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public, the Canadian National Post reported on Friday.

Under the new law, which still awaits final approval from Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Jews will have to wear a yellow band on their exterior in public, while Christians will be required to don red ones.

Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter responded to the new law Friday night, saying, "Whoever makes Jews anywhere wear the yellow star again, will find themselves in a coffin draped in black."

Furthermore, according to the law, the Iranian government has envisioned that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions.

The purpose for the law was to prevent Muslims from becoming najis "unclean" by accidentally shaking the hands of non-Muslims in public.

Ophir Paz-Pines, minister-without-portfolio responsible for culture, sports, science and technology, who is also a member of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in the Knesset, called on the government's secretary to ensure the issue be immediately addressed during the next Cabinet meeting.

"The State of Israel was created after the Holocaust in order to ensure it would not be repeated. The yellow star is a bright red warning sign that obligates us to muster the entire world in the face of events there [Iran]."

Paz-Pines also called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to make the issue his top priority when he visits Washington D.C. next week to meet US President George W. Bush.

Meretz Chairman Yossi Beilin said, "Israel could no longer be satisfied with warnings, and that the moment Jews are forced to wear the yellow band, Israel must act to evacuate all Jews from Iran." He added that, "Israel must stand at the forefront of efforts to separate Iran's crazy and Hitlerite regime from government control."

"The new law resembles the Holocaust," said head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, Rabbi Marvin Heir, and warned that, "Iran was nearing Nazi Ideology."

According to Army Radio, Wiesenthal Center officials sent a letter to United Nations Director General Kofi Annan urging him "not to ignore" the new law, and reminded him that, "The world ignored Hitler for many years."

The new law was drafted during the presidency of Muhammad Khatami in 2004, but was blocked. That blockage, however, has been removed under pressure from current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

According to Ahmadinejad, reported the National Post, the new Islamic uniforms will establish "visual equality" for Iranians as they prepare for the return of the Hidden Imam.

The final shape of the uniforms is yet to be established but there is consensus on a number of points.

The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations released a statement saying, "We have been seeking to clarify these reports but do not yet have confirmation. There are clear indications that various Iranian government agencies, including the Ministry of Commerce and Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance, are working on new uniforms to be introduced in the fall.

"While such legislation would be reminiscent of dark periods in the past, like the Nazi era when Jews and others had to wear identifying badges, it is also consistent with the racist and extremist ideology propagated by President Ahmadinejad.

We are monitoring the situation and seeking to ascertain the facts in order to determine the appropriate response."

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Comments?

Bobbye answered on 05/19/06:

In the passing of time there arises a Nero; a Hitler and the "gang of three" during WWII, and now an Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Why are we surprised? You would think that such evil leaders would learn from history. However, the very nature of evil that causes one to become so sadistic blinds one to the consequences.

Bobbye

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lossiemouth asked on 05/17/06 - install a printer

since i had my pc worked i cannt reinstall my printer even with a disc U was told to disable my spyware is this ok or not?

Bobbye answered on 05/19/06:

Great info already given re "uninstall of spyware" or just "click" on the "allow" in your spyware screen.

Also, you can go to the site of most manufacturers of printers and download (free of charge) "drivers" for your printer. A simple thing. They will walk you through the procedure for their brand of printer.

Bobbye

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paraclete asked on 05/18/06 - mixing of the species

Hi just for purplewings. Now lets for get about cats and dogs and get down to the question of the evolution of the species.

I don't know about you but this article sickens me. No wonder God was specific about beastiality and that includes "mixing" the species.


Humans, chimps 'got it on'
From:
By Leigh Dayton

May 18, 2006


BEFORE they went their separate evolutionary ways, the ancestors of chimpanzees and people got up to plenty of, well, monkey business.
Moreover, this went on for about four million years.

The most detailed analysis conducted of human and chimpanzee DNA reveals that after an initial separation from a common ancestor, between five and six million years ago, the species continued interbreeding.

The implication is that speciation - the separation from a common ancestor - wasn't the simple process scientists previously believed.

Instead, it happened over millions of years during which "episodes" of hybridisation took place before the final separation into two distinct species, US researchers claim in a paper published online by Nature.

"For the first time, we're able to see the details written out in the DNA," said biologist Eric Lander, director of the Broad Institute at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge. "What they tell us at the least is that the human-chimp speciation was very unusual."

According to Dr Lander and colleagues at Harvard University, they didn't expect to find evidence of human-chimp hybrids. "Hybridisation is commonly observed to play a role in speciation in plants, but evolutionary biologists do not generally view it as an important way to produce a new species in animals," said team leader Nick Patterson, a biostatistician at the Broad Institute.

Geneticist David Reich, of Harvard Medical School, added: "That such evolutionary events have not been seen more often in animal species may simply be due to the fact that we have not been looking for them."

While some experts in human evolution remain sceptical of some of the details, they are impressed nevertheless.

"It's a totally cool and extremely clever analysis," said Harvard biological anthropologist Daniel Lieberman, who was not involved in the research.

"My problem is imagining what it would be like to have a bipedal hominid and a chimpanzee viewing each other as appropriate mates, not to put it too crudely," he said.

Previous studies comparing human and chimp DNA could only offer an estimate of how long ago the two species split by averaging the amount of divergence in their genes. Generally, those studies come up with a figure of about 7 million years.

But thanks to the completion of the chimpanzee genome project in September, the team had about 800 times more data.

That meant they were able to look at how specific sections of the genetic code evolved.

For one thing, the new data suggest the human-chimp split was much closer to the present than the seven-million-years date that fossils and previous studies indicated - certainly no earlier than 6.3 million years ago, and more likely around 5.4 million.

The data also show that the human-chimp split probably took four million years. That's because in some parts of the DNA sequence, the genetic difference between humans and chimps is so large that those genes must have been isolated from each other nearly 10 million years ago.

But in other places, the human and chimp lines are so close that they appear to have still been swapping genetic material at least until 6.3 million years ago. One of those areas is the x-chromosome. Female chimps and humans have two x-chromosomes, while males have an x and a y.

"The genes that are a barrier to speciation tend to be on the x-chromosome," team member Assistant Professor Reich said.

But as interbreeding is known to place strong selective pressures on sex chromosomes, that would explain the discovery that the x-chromosome is some 1.2 million years younger than the rest of human chromosomes, the team suggested.

Bobbye answered on 05/19/06:

LOL! Three Monkeys Agree 'Tis Man's Disgrace!

Three monkeys sat in a coconut tree
Discussing things as they are said to be.

Said one to the others, "Now listen, you two,
There's a rumor around that can't be true
That man descended from our noble race
The very idea is a great disgrace."

"No monkey has ever deserted his wife
Starved her babies and ruined her life
And you've never known of a mother monk
To leave her babies with others to bunk;
Or pass from one on to another
'Til they scarcely knew who is their mother.

"Here's another thing a monkey won't do
Go out at night and get in a stew
Or use a gun or club or knife
To take some other monkey's life.

Yes, man descended, the ornery cuss
But, brother, he didn't descend from us."

Author unknown
http://cyberparent.com/abuse/monkeys.htm

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ladybugca asked on 05/08/06 - EXPLANATION of GOD.


>
> THIS ONE IS FABULOUS!!! It was written by an
>8-year-old named Danny Dutton, who lives in Chula Vista, CA He wrote it
>for his third grade homework assignment, to "explain God". I wonder if any
>of us could have done as well?
>
> >
> "One of God's main jobs is making people. He makes
>them to replace the ones that die, so there will be enough people to take
>care of things on earth. He doesn't make grownups, just babies. I think
>because they are smaller and easier to make. That way he doesn't have to
>take up his valuable time teaching them to talk and walk. He can just leave
>that to mothers and fathers."
>
> "God's second most important job is listening to
>prayers. An awful lot of this goes on, since some people, like preachers
>and things, pray at times beside bedtime. God doesn't have time to listen
>to the radio or TV because of this. Because he hears everything, there must
>be a terrible lot of noise in his ears, unless he has thought of a way to
>turn it off."
>
> "God sees everything and hears everything and is
>everywhere which keeps Him pretty busy. So you shouldn't go wasting his
>time by going over your mom and dad's head asking for something they said
>you couldn't have."
>
> "Atheists are people who don't believe in God. I
>don't think there are any in Chula Vista . At least there aren't any who
>come to our church."
>
> "Jesus is God's Son. He used to do all the hard
>work, like walking on water and performing miracles and trying to teach the
>people who didn't want to learn about God. They finally got tired of him
>preaching to them and they crucified him But he was good and kind, like his
>father, and he told his father that they didn't know what they were doing
>and to forgive them and God said O.K."
>
> "His dad (God) appreciated everything that he had
>done and all his hard work on earth so he told him he didn't have to go out
>on the road anymore. He could stay in heaven. So he did. And now he helps
>his dad out by listening to prayers and seeing things which are important
>for God to take care of and which ones he can take care of himself without
>having to bother God. Like a secretary, only more important."
>
> "You can pray anytime you want and they are sure
>to help you because they got it worked out so one of them is on duty all
>the time." "You should always go to church on Sunday because it makes God
>happy, and if there's anybody you want to make happy, it's God!
>
> Don't skip church to do something you think will
>be more fun like going to the beach. This is wrong. And besides the sun
>doesn't come out at the beach until noon anyway."
>
> "If you don't believe in God, besides being an
>atheist, you will be very lonely, because your parents can't go everywhere
>with you, like to camp, but God can It is good to know He's around you
>when you're scared, in the dark or when you can't swim and you get thrown
>into real deep water by big kids."
>
> "But...you shouldn't just always think of what God
>can do for you. I figure God put me here and he can take me back anytime
>he pleases.
>
> And..that's why I believe in God."
>
>

Bobbye answered on 05/08/06:

"Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings shall praises be perfected!"

Incredible!

A great deterrent to Sunday morning absenteeism! LOL
"And besides the sun doesn't come out at the beach until noon anyway."

Thanks for sharing.
bobbye

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andile asked on 05/05/06 - Do you have the rosary?

To all those who feel that praying and meditating the mysteries of the rosary is a waste of time,think again pals,I have been meditating with the Sorrowful mysteries during the Lent period and believe it or not I have witness major changes in my life.This has once again prove that prayer is the most powerful tool any Christian or even non-Christians can use to get in touch with our loving God.It has once again showed that,if you really believe in the power that our most Holy Virgin Mother,Mary have nothing is impossible.So if you don't have those beading you better get hold of them,'cause they are the most powerful beads you will ever get in touch with.Remember that May is the month of crowning of Virgin Mary,so pray your rosary.Lastly I qoute on of my all time fovourite hymn:(verse 2:"What is it that you whisper into our ears,Mary?You are saying to us please recite the rosary..(chorus:we say hail,we say to you,we say hail Mary..")

Bobbye answered on 05/08/06:

No! Jesus said, "...and when you pray, say 'OUR FATHER'...." No where in Scripture do you find instructions to pray the rosary; pray to Mary or any other saint. We pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus -- that Name that is above every Name.

Blessings,
bobbye
P.S. I have prayers answered daily and hourly -- and have never used the rosary. Also, it is the transforming power of The Lord Jesus that brings MAJOR CHANGES TO OUR LIVES!

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Laura asked on 05/02/06 - Do you believe that God really does give signs?

The reason that I ask this is because for the last few months we have been faced with a daunting decision concerning my husbands work. The plant that he worked at shut down. He was offered several differant options in the way of severence/early retirement packages. None of which we felt really comfortable with.

He really is not ready to retire. He has been with his company for 28 years but is only 50. Last week after much soul searching and praying we decided that he would go ahead and apply for the pre-retirement. It was a hard decision to make. As we prayed about this we decided to just give it to God. We both asked God to lead us in the right path. I know that my hubby was very anxious at the thought of looking for other employment after 28 years at the same place. And being 50, he wasn't sure how hard/easy it would be to find work. The pre-retirement would neccesitate a suplimental income.

He signed his papers and we decided that it could only be God if something as astounding as an offer to another plant came through in the next 7 days (we litteraly said that to each other because any re-assignments weren't expected until late June after everyone had to make a decision one way or the other or take a chance an offer might come when we didn't know if one would or not. He wasn't sure he would even have enough seniority to qualify for another plant.

That was last Thursday. Hubby had 7 days to change his mind or it was set in stone..

TODAY he got a certified letter in the mail offering him a position at another plant!!! I truly feel that God has closed one door but opened another and blessed us. Hubby went down and declined the pre-retirement offer and signed the papers for the re-assignment. I guess you could call this a praise report as well. In addition, it comes with a rather large sign on bonus that will allow us to become debt free as we start this new adventure.

By the way.. Hi everyone...long time no speak! Have had alot on our plates lately. I hope Kansas is a nice place to live in.. :-)

Bobbye answered on 05/05/06:

Laura, God still answers prayer. Also, He's an "on-time God!" He's never early; never late! Right on time! If he answered early, we'd not stretch our faith to believe Him for the impossible. God honors faith! Look what a relationship He had with Abraham!

I rejoice with you in the answer to your prayer and the prayers of many who prayed with you.

Be blessed in your new surroundings.
bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 04/27/06 - Code, Code, and more Codes .........................................


April 27, 2006
Judge Embeds a Puzzle in 'Da Vinci Code' Ruling
By SARAH LYALL
LONDON, April 26 Justice Peter Smith's 71-page ruling in the recent "Da Vinci Code" copyright case here is notable for many things: the judge's occasional forays into literary criticism, his snippy remarks about witnesses on both sides, and his fluent knowledge not only of copyright law but also of more esoteric topics like the history of the Knights Templar.

But there is more to it than that. Embedded in the first 13 pages of the ruling is Justice Smith's very own secret code, one that when partly solved reveals its name: the Smithy Code.

"The key to solving the conundrum posed by this judgment is in reading HBHG and DVC," the judge writes in the 52nd paragraph of the ruling, alluding to his code and referring to the two works at issue in the case "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" and "The Da Vinci Code" by their initials. (In the United States, the book is called "Holy Blood, Holy Grail.")

On April 7 Justice Smith ruled that Random House, publisher of the megaselling "Da Vinci Code," did not violate the copyright of "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail," a nonfiction work published in 1982 that spins an elaborate theory about how Jesus married Mary Magdalene and how their descendants still live in southern France. Two of the book's authors contended that Dan Brown, who wrote "The Da Vinci Code," lifted the central "architecture" of their book and had thus violated their copyright. (The third author of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," Henry Lincoln, did not participate.)

The decision was a resounding slap in the face to the two plaintiffs, Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh. But it was also an opportunity for Justice Smith to indulge in a flight of judicial and cryptological fancy.

The first clue that a puzzle exists lies in the typeface of the ruling. Most of the document is printed in regular roman letters, the way one would expect. But some letters in the first 13 pages appear in boldface italics, jarringly, in the midst of all the normal words. Thus, in the first paragraph of the decision, which refers to Mr. Leigh and Mr. Baigent, the "s" in the word "claimants" is italicized and boldfaced.

If you pluck all the italicized letters out of the text, you find that the first 10 spell "Smithy Code," an apparent play on "Da Vinci Code." But the next series of letters, some 30 or so, are a jumble, and this is the mystery that needs to be solved to break the code.

In a brief telephone interview on Wednesday, Justice Smith declined to provide a solution for a puzzled reporter. Nor would he explain how he had put the code in his ruling, or how long it took him to figure out how to do it.

"I can't discuss the judgment until after I retire," he said.

But in a series of brief and ultimately frustrating e-mail messages during the last couple of days, the judge provided a series of intriguing clues. First he said that the different ways codes are broken in "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and "The Da Vinci Code" should be considered. The idea for the italicized letters, he suggested, came from "Holy Blood, Holy Grail."

He then suggested moving on to "The Da Vinci Code" and applying one of the code-breaking methods used by its protagonists to solve the mystery of the jumbled letters. "Think mathematics," he wrote at one point. He drew attention to his own entry in Who's Who in which he lists an interest in the history of Jackie Fisher, an admiral who modernized the British Navy, a possible reason that his e-mail address contains the word "pescator," implying fisherman and said that the date 2006 was significant.

He even mentioned a page number in "The Da Vinci Code" by way of trying to help. But he declined to go further, saying that "anything else gives it on a plate."

It has been nearly three weeks since he handed down the ruling. Probably disappointingly for Justice Smith, nobody seemed to notice anything unusual about it when it was first released. But he alluded to the possibility that there was something more soon afterward as a throwaway line in an e-mail exchange with a reporter for The New York Times, saying, "Did you find the coded message in the judgment?"

On vacation in Florida, the judge then declined via e-mail to elaborate much further, other than to refer to anomalies in the typeface. "Start with 's' and keep looking up to Page 18 approximately when the fonts stop," he wrote.

Meanwhile, back in London, Daniel Tench, a partner at the law firm Olswang, was reading the ruling and noticed something odd about the type. "At first I thought it was a mistake," he said on Wednesday. "It's not usual practice for a High Court judge to issue a ruling in which he has hidden an encrypted message."

Not knowing if there was anything there, though, Mr. Tench mentioned it to a reporter who compiles a column about legal affairs for The Times of London. After that paper printed a small item quoting him discussing the typeface, Mr. Tench was nonplussed to receive an e-mail message from Justice Smith confirming that yes, there was indeed a code, but that Mr. Tench had missed the first letter "s."

"It is always best to start at paragraph 1!" the judge wrote.

Speaking to the Bloomberg news service late on Wednesday, Justice Smith once again declined to provide any answers. Explaining why he made up his own code, he said it was "a bit of fun."

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Do you know of any peculiarly Christian "Codes"?



Bobbye answered on 04/28/06:

Where is Morse when you need him? LOL

Seriously, YOU, RONNIE BRAY, FOUND AN ACTUAL NAME IN THE HEBREW TEXT? How much for your services? LOL
Bobbye

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wakan asked on 04/22/06 - A question about one of the two great commandments....

"You shall love your God with all your heartm with all your mind and with all your strength."
So.................
If necessary I would give up my life for my wife and kids and for God, but.....
What happens to me if I love my wife and kids more than I love God?
Will he send me to hell for that?
Wakan

Bobbye answered on 04/22/06:

First of all, Hell was designed for Satan and his angels. Secondly, acceptance of Jesus Christ as Saviour keeps mankind out of hell. No where in Scripture will you find that the ultimate love for your family will send you to Hell.

Now, we come to the part of "loving God with all our heart...." To love the Supreme Being who created the universe and all therein is called "worship!" We worship God because we love Him. That is a love that is shared with no other nor any other thing upon earth. Again, that is "worship; reverence; adulation; awe!" We do not describe our love for mankind (our families, particularly) in such terms.

We love our families, as God instituted the blessing of "family" four thousand years before the birth of His church! Therefore, "family" is special to God -- as it is to us. In fact, God stated: "If a man not provide for his family, he is worse than an infidel."

Loving God with all our heart is awe! Loving our families with all our heart is God's gift to us AND to the family! Never does God expect anyone to sacrifice the family for ministry or any other "religious" endeavor. There is nothing more beautiful than a family who worships God and obeys His commandments.

Be at peace. Love God with all your heart! Love your family with all your heart! THERE IS NO CONFLICT!

Be blessed in your quest for God!
bobbye


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revdauphinee asked on 04/19/06 - I for one will miss him !

Jewish Christian preacher Zola Levitt died today after battling cancer, according to his ministry website.

Levitt, known for the tagline, "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem," had a television program seen on the several Christian networks, "Zola Levitt Presents."

He died at home in Dallas, where he led the non-profit Zola Levitt Ministries, Inc.

Levitt was diagnosed with cancer Feb. 10, which had spread from his left lung to his liver and brain, according to his son, Mark Levitt, who posted updates on the ministry website.

Mark Levitt said in a recent post that that in response to the illness, his father was "doubling his efforts to produce extra TV programs and create more informative and outspoken newsletters than ever."

"What a soldier's testimonial to stay at his post until called away by Yeshua! Happy is the man whose work is his play," Mark Levitt wrote.

Responding to today's news, a follower of Levitt's ministry wrote: "I

Bobbye answered on 04/21/06:

He contributed much toward reconciliation of Christian beliefs with Jewish customs and culture.

He was a strong voice in uniting Christians and Jews -- particularly those who believed in The Baptism with The Holy Spirit.

He leaves a void in many lives who were touched by his ministry.

Bobbye

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ROLCAM asked on 04/21/06 - Noah's Ark ??

How big was Noah's Ark compared with modern oil tankers?
Was it bigger than the biggest?
What was its carrying capacity?

Bobbye answered on 04/21/06:

(1) "And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits." Genesis 6:15

(The cubit is about 18 inches (1-1/2 feet.
Hence, the ark was about 450 feet long: 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high.)

The impression that most people have of the Ark is the impression they were given by the little Sunday school pictures that made it look like a houseboat. To begin, the instructions for the building of the ark shall be 300 cubits. If a cubit is 18 inches (1-1/2 feet), that should give you some conception of the length of the Ark; i.e., 450 feet.

Length - 300 cubits (450 ft. long)
Breadth - 50 cubits (75 ft. Wide)
Height - 30 cubits (45 ft. high))

The question arises as to how they could make it substantial in that day. Fact one: we are not dealing with cavemen. We are dealing with a very intelligent man (Noah), as his instructions were being received from God.

Noah is not making an ocean-going ship to withstand fifty-foot waves. All he is building is a place for life, animal life and man, to stay over quite a period of time -- not to go through a storm, but just to ride the waves of the Flood. For that reason, the ark might lack a great deal that you would find on an ocean-going ship, and that would give it a great deal more room.

In World War II the New Mexico, one of the U.S. battleships, was built 624 feet long; 106-1/4 feet wide, and with a mean draught of 29-1/2 feet. By comparison, the ark had practically the same ratio; so that you did not have a ridiculous looking boat at all, but one that would compare favorably with the way they build ships today.

The New Mexico: 624 ft. Long The Ark: 450 ft. Long
The N.Mexico: 106-1/3 ft. Wide The Ark: 75 ft. Wide
The N.M.: 29-1/2 feet deep The Ark: 45 ft. High (Re depth: the water was going to be deep enough to cover the entire earth, but the ark would float atop the flood waters.)

"A WINDOW SHALT THOU MAKE...."

"A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit (18 inches)shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set
in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." Genesis 6:16

"A window shalt thou make to the ark." The window was not a slit made in the side of the ark. The window was an "opening." The need for circulation of air, yet protection from the torrents of water demanded a good deal of engineering and crafting. This opening could be covered: Genesis 8:6. The window was a cubit high (18 inches) and went all the way around the top of the ark.

The roof must have overlapped the window quite a bit. That is the way they ventilate a gymnasium today.

In Dallas and Houston the buildings in which animals are housed have the type window that goes all the way around at the top. Even with all the animals they had in the ark, it was not an unpleasant place to be.

God thought of everything in his master blueprint for the ark! People were eating their meals and also sleeping in the ark, so the window that wound around the ark provided proper ventilation.

The ark had only one door, and that is important. Jesus said, "I am the way" and "I am the door to the sheepfold," and He is also the door to the ark (a type of Christ: only one door into safety).

"With lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it."

The ark had three decks but only one door.

"And behold, I Myself am bringing flood waters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die." Genesis 6:17

(2) BIGGER THAN THE BIGGEST? SEE DIMENSIONS ABOVE. BIGGER THAN ANYTHING OF ITS DAY.

(3) CARRYING CAPACITY: AGAIN, SEE DIMENSIONS ABOVE, AS WELL AS THE VERSE HERE STATED:

"But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons" wives with thee. And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive."
Genesis 6:18-20


Bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 04/07/06 - "Logical proof" for no God: What is it?



"Many atheists became atheists not because they were born into it (like most theists), rather because we contemplated god in its many forms and decided it just doesn't make an ounce of sense. This isn't a choice, it's fact - a logical proof. We are simply too logical to believe God is anything more than fantasy."

I am not interested in atheist-bashing answers, but I do:

1) welcome evidence of the 'logical proof' of which the author of the quote speaks, and

2) welcome evidence that some theists are as logical in their faith as this atheist writer claims atheists are without it.



Bobbye answered on 04/07/06:

(1) "...rather because we contemplated god in its many forms and decided it just doesn't make an ounce of sense."

Refutation, rather than "logical proof."
The flight of the bumble bee and its inherent ability to do so doesn't make an ounce of sense. YET, MAN HAS NOT FOUGHT WARS; KILLED, MANGLED, HATED, DESPISED; NOR EVEN DEBATED THROUGHOUT CENTURIES TO PROVE "THERE IS NO BUMBLE BEE."

(2) EVIDENCE THAT THESISTS ARE AS LOGICAL IN THEIR FAITH AS THIS ATHEIST WRITER CLAIMS ATHEISTS ARE WITHOUT IT:

"Many atheists became atheists not because they were born into it (like most theists), rather because we contemplated god in its many forms and decided it just doesn't make an ounce of sense. This isn't a choice, it's fact - a logical proof. We are simply too logical to believe God is anything more than fantasy."

A PARAPHRASE: "Many Christians became Christians not because they were born into it (if you were to take a survey, 90% of your friends, relatives, and acquaintances became "Christian" through the witness of other Christians, rather than birth), rather because WE contemplated God ... and DECIDED THERE IS A HIGHER POWER THAN FISH, FOWL, OR MAN. THIS MAKES SENSE TO NON-BELIEVERS, AS WELL AS BELIEVERS. "... who can make a flower? No one but God, 'tis true!"

We are simply too logical to believe that the universe and "all things that were made" "just happened!" (John 1:1-3; "In the beginning was the Word; and the Word was with God; and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANYTHING MADE THAT WAS MADE.")


LOGIC PROVES THAT OUR FAITH IS NOT MISGUIDED; RATHER, WELL PLACED IN AN IRREFUTABLE PREMISE!

"Premise": (One of many definitions) "...To presuppose or imply as preexistent: postulate.


Bobbye



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sarnian asked on 04/07/06 - More on : "Should Judas be redeemed?"

I just saw the announcement that this coming sunday National Geographics will air worldwide in 164 countries a one hour documentary on Judas and his position in the group of JC and the other disciples.
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Anyone interested?
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Bobbye answered on 04/07/06:

No! From the article in our local newspaper the gist of the documentary is that Jesus arranged with Judas to betray Him, promising that Judas would be greater than all (per Gnosticism).

This was refuted 2,000+ years ago by Jesus Himself when He stated to The Twelve face to face: "...and one of you is a devil." DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN ARRANGEMENT TO ME. RATHER, AN EXPOSE!

Bobbye
P.S. If Gnosticism is so rooted and grounded in truth, why has it not spread as Christianity has spread? Why has it not brought eternal life, as Christ has brought?

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sarnian asked on 04/07/06 - More on : "Should Judas be redeemed?"

I just saw the announcement that this coming sunday National Geographics will air worldwide in 164 countries a one hour documentary on Judas and his position in the group of JC and the other disciples.
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Anyone interested?
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Bobbye answered on 04/07/06:

No! From the article in our local newspaper the gist of the documentary is that Jesus arranged with Judas to betray Him, promising that Judas would be greater than all (per Gnosticism).

This was refuted 2,000+ years ago by Jesus Himself when He stated to The Twelve face to face: "...and one of you is a devil." DOESN'T SOUND LIKE AN ARRANGEMENT TO ME. RATHER, AN EXPOSE!

Bobbye
P.S. If Gnosticism is so rooted and grounded in truth, why has it not spread as Christianity has spread? Why has it not brought eternal life, as Christ as brought?

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STONY asked on 04/01/06 - ANOTHER TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE...

A REALLY GOOD LOOKING FEMALE SCHOOL TEACHER GETS "HOUSE ARREST" FOR 14 COUNTS OR WHATEVER IT WAS OF HAVING SEX WITH A 14 YEAR OLD STUDENT. NOW, IF I HAD SEX WITH A 14 YEAR OLD FEMALE STUDENT THEY WOULD
DIG ME MY OWN PRIVATE TUNNEL AT THE ATLANTA FEDERAL CORRECTION CENTER. JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A REALLY ATTRACTIVE WOMAN, THE DOUBLE STANDARD COMES INTO PLAY.

NOW, ALONG WITH THE WILD FIRES AND NO RAIN IN FLA.
FOR QUITE SOME TIME EVERYTHING APPEARS NORMAL. SO, HOW WAS YOUR DAY?

Bobbye answered on 04/01/06:

Stony, "welcome home!"

Re the above, AN "OVERSIGHT" IN THE MIX! Not one of the newshounds who appeared "aghast" at the sentence (if it can be called a "sentence") noticed the LIBRARY behind the mother when she appeared on T.V. to state that "my son has suffered enough. Blah, blah, blah." The legal library told us that his mother or father (or both) is an attorney -- or connected with the legal profession.

The mother didn't want the dirty laundry of the family spread throughout the media. A fourteen-year-old who has sex consistently with a teacher over a "PERIOD OF TIME" is no child! He is responsible for his actions.

IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENT WHO IS "PLEADING YOUR CASE" or who is requesting assistance from whom.

Just my "take" on the story.
Otherwise, it is a travesty of justice!

Again, I believe there was "influence peddling" or "pressure" applied to someone in the courts re the young man. The teacher received a "freebie" because of "Mom" (the boy's mom)!

Great to have you back, Tony.
Bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 04/01/06 - University of Tennessee Research Shows How to Reduce Stress and Hypertension ... .... ..... ...... .


The kindhearted act of forgiveness may benefit your health according to a study conducted by the University of Tennessee.

Researchers found that people who forgive report less stress and illness and fewer visits to the doctor than those who hold grudges.

In addition, experts have found that letting bygones be bygones can help lower your heart rate and blood pressure.

If these alone are not good and sufficient reasons for Christians to forgive, what other reasons are there?

Bobbye answered on 04/01/06:

That we may be forgiven! Jesus said: "And when you stand praying FORGIVE that YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN MAY FORGIVE YOU! Mark 11:25KJV

It seems that "self" is the great motivator in most instances. We are hesitant to forgive others until we remember that we may one day need forgiveness.

Also, in the Beatitudes Jesus said: "Blessed are the merciful, for THEY shall obtain mercy!" Again, self-benefit! Matthew 5:7KJV

Blessings,
bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 03/25/06 - Dare YOU Hope for Peace or are you Chicken-Hearted?



It is gratifying to know that optimism is not dead, and that not all are too prejudiced to give peace a chance.

"All I am saying is give peace a chance."

John Lennon - who believed that it could happen.



Do you believe that reasonable people of all religions can make a just peace, or is our future resting firmly in the hands of the troubled, the heretic, and the insane?

Dare YOU hope for peace?

Bobbye answered on 03/25/06:

Yes! According to Colossians 1:20, "And having made peace through the blood of his cross, BY HIM TO RECONCILE ALL THINGS unto himself: by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

The Blood of Jesus reconciles all things in Heaven and in earth -- when we claim the promise of Colossians 1:20.

I've stood on this promise concerning estranged friendships; family relations, peace of mind for self, friends and family --and I've seen peace come to these situations. The Blood of Jesus has never lost its power AND will never do so!

Be blessed,
bobbye

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excon asked on 03/24/06 - Theocracy's


Hello Christians:

Ronnie asked about the re-liberation of Afghanistan. Elliot says this is the system THEY chose. I say they are enslaved and incapable of choosing. No, not enslaved by shackles, but by a religion - just as Bush and Elliot are. Many of my Christian friends are too.

My questions: (1) Does a belief in Christianity tend to liberate you, or enslave you? (2) What about the way OTHER Christians practice it? (3) Does a belief in Islam tend to liberate its adherents, or enslave them? Or (4), am I all wet?

excon

Bobbye answered on 03/25/06:

"I AM A PRISONER OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST," as with the Apostle Paul!
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(1) Does a belief in Christianity tend to liberate you, or enslave you?
I'M "FREE" THROUGH MY FAITH IN CHRIST! FREE FROM THE PENALTY AND GUILT OF SIN!

"RELIGION" WILL ENSLAVE YOU. "CHRISTIANITY" WILL SET YOU FREE!

(2) What about the way OTHER Christians practice it?

I'VE LEARNED FROM ALL CHRISTIANS WITH WHOM I HAVE FELLOWSHIPPED THROUGHOUT MY LIFE!
We can learn from each other -- and it will enhance our Christian walk.

(3) Does a belief in Islam tend to liberate its adherents, or enslave them?

They obviously are more committed to their beliefs than most Christians. However, as to liberty or enslavement, I cannot answer for them. TOO BUSY ENJOYING MY LIBERTY IN CHRIST JESUS!

Or (4), am I all wet?

Not at all. Thought-provoking.

Bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 03/25/06 - Lent: How does one please God?





This year the season of Lent began on March 1 and ends on Saturday, April 15, the day before Easter. During this 40 day period (Sundays are not included in the count as they represent Christ's resurrection) Christians contemplate the sacrifice of Christ and his own personal self-denial in order to fulfill the will of God in his life. Christ's entire life was motivated by accomplishing his father's will.

Therefore the question is, "How does one please God"?

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 03/25/06:

Maggie, we please God the same way that Jesus pleased the Father:

"He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, BUT TO DO JUSTLY, AND TO LOVE MERCY, AND TO WALK HUMBLY (i.e., "humble thyself to walk") WITH THY GOD? Micah 6:8KJV

Be blessed during this special Season!
Bobbye

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ladybugca asked on 03/20/06 - in need of prayer

my dad is in need of prayer for he is dieing,the doctors say they dont know how he is still living.he can no longer see he cant walk no more and he cant talk.he has brain cancer and of the lungs, i guess what i am asking for is that he is not surffing.i dont know if he is saved or not so please say a prayer that someone can get through to him before it is to late.i thank everyone for your prayers and may the lord bless you all.

Bobbye answered on 03/21/06:

My prayers are with you and your Dad. I pray for his Salvation also.

"They rod and thy staff, they comfort me." Psalm 23: "Jehovah-Shalom!"

I pray peace for you.
Bobbye

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BeelzeBUSH asked on 03/20/06 - Christian Prayers...

When a Christian prays are they praying to God or Jesus? I know that some Christians strongly believe that praying has to be done through Jesus and concludes in "Jesus name." Personally that's never been my experience. I've also read that Christians talk and have personal conversations with Jesus. Now is that to be taken literally or only figuratively speaking referring to how a Christian views Jesus as interpreted from the NT stories portrayal of his life?


Thank you,
George

Bobbye answered on 03/21/06:

Jesus said in John 14:14KJV, "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT!"

Christians that I know pray thusly: "Father, in the Name of Jesus, I come into your presence, asking ...."

I have many questions re "personal conversations" with Jesus, as The Holy Spirit is the Member of The Godhead here on earth: And Jesus said, "When He is come, He will lead and guide you into all truth."

The Holy Spirit is our leader; our guide; our teacher re truth. Therefore, it is The Holy Spirit who teaches; who leads and guides.

Be blessed,
bobbye



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ROLCAM asked on 03/17/06 - More on angels?

Is there any mention in the Bible of us actually being assigned or given a guardian angel by God or heaven?

Bobbye answered on 03/17/06:

YES! Matthew 18:10KJV, "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones (children); for I say unto you, That in heaven THEIR ANGELS ("angels" - plural;
as "their" is plural) thus children have personal guardian angels) DO ALWAYS BEHOLD THE FACE OF MY FATHER which is in heaven." (They see and report the atrocities of mankind against each child.)

The above-referenced passage declares that children have guardian angels. NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE DOES IT MENTION THAT WHEN WE BECOME ADULTS THAT OUR GUARDIAN ANGEL ABANDONS US. THUS WE HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED OR GIVEN A GUARDIAN ANGEL FROM BIRTH!

ANGELS SERVE US OR "MINISTER FOR US!"
Hebrews 1:14, "Are they not ministering spirits, sent to minister FOR the heirs of Salvation?" They do not minister to man, but they minister FOR man.

Michael (who has an army assigned to him in his activies) is the Guardian Angel over Israel. In contrast there is the "Prince of Persia" who withstood Gabriel for 21 days when Gabriel was attempting to deliver God's answer to Daniel's prayer.

Gabriel told Daniel upon his arrival (after 21 days of warfare) that he "withstood the Prince of Persia, and had to call upon Michael and his army to defeat this demon spirit who had been assigned to Persia and the people therein."

In contrast, if there is a Guardian Angel over Israel; and if Satan has assigned "princes" over nations, then there are Guardian Angels assigned to nations!!!

Personal guardian angels; angels over nations, cities, etc., God has assigned for our protection and the dispatch of messages.

Gabriel is the Herald-or "messenger" (dispatching God's messages to Mary, Elisabeth, Zacharias, Daniel), while Michael and his army are the warriors.

Blessings,
bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 03/14/06 - Jesus' baptism..........................

Why did John baptize Jesus who had no sin (Matthew 3:11)?

Bobbye answered on 03/15/06:

"... to fulfill all righteousness," according to Matthew 3:15.

The occasion marked the beginning of Christ's Messianic ministry. There were several reasons for his baptism: (1) To fulfill all righteousness. The baptism indicated that He was consecrated to God and officially approved by Him, as shown in the descent of the Holy spirit (Matthew 3:16), as well as the words of the Father.

ALL GOD'S RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MESSIAH WERE FULLY MET IN JESUS.

(2) At Jesus' baptism John publicly announced the arrival of the Messiah and the inception of his ministry. By His baptism Jesus completely identified himself with man's sin and failure (though he himself needed no repentance or cleansing from sin), becoming our substitute ( II Cor. 5:21). His baptism was an example to His followers.

MAJOR REASON FOLLOWING THE ABOVE:
"The priests were first 'washed' and then 'anointed.'" JESUS IS NOW DECLARING HIS ENTRANCE INTO MINISTRY AND TO PRIESTHOOD -- although He never offered sacrifices on earth.

To understand "the washing and anointing," you must study the Molten Sea (the brazen vat in Solomon's Temple, etc.) One partition was for the washing of the priests prior to their offering sacrifices. The remaining partition was for the cleansing of the sacrificial animals.

Thus, immediately after His baptism, Jesus stepped into the office of our "Great High Priest," though never functioning on earth in His Priestly role.

IF YOU STUDY THE TABERNACLE IN THE WILDERNESS (a copy of the original in Heaven according to the Book of Hebrews), YOU WILL FIND THE PURPOSE FOR JESUS' BAPTISM;I.E., JESUS WAS "WASHED" AND "ANOINTED!" FOR WITHIN 3-1/2 YEARS at CALVARY HE WOULD SHED HIS BLOOD:

(1) THEN HE WOULD IMMEDIATELY OFFER THE SACRIFICE IN THE "ORIGINAL TABERNACLE IN HEAVEN" -- HIMSELF!

(2) SECONDLY, THE RESURRECTED CHRIST WOULD PERFORM THE FINAL DUTY OF HIS ROLE AS HIGH PRIEST -- SPRINKLING THE BLOOD ON THE MERCY SEAT IN THE ORIGINAL TABERNACLE IN HEAVEN!

The blood of an animal was first SHED and then to become the efficacious sacrifice (the purpose for the shedding of the blood), it must be SPRINKLED ON THE MERCY SEAT! First shed, then sprinkled!

JESUS BAPTISM FULFILLED ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS -- OF THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD!

Blessings,
bobbye



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tomder55 asked on 03/14/06 - Happy Purim

To all the Jews who visit AW . It seems that what is happening in the land formerly known as Persia it is particularily relevent to remember Purim and to celebrate it with as much enthusiasm and joy as the the book of Esther implies it should be .



In the twelfth month, which is the month of Adar, on its thirteenth day ... on the day that the enemies of the Jews were expected to prevail over them, it was turned about: the Jews prevailed over their adversaries. - Esther 9:1

And they gained relief on the fourteenth, making it a day of feasting and gladness. - Esther 9:17

[Mordecai instructed them] to observe them as days of feasting and gladness, and sending delicacies to one another, and gifts to the poor. - Esther 9:22

May you drink until you can no longer distinguish between the phrases "Cursed is Haman" and "Blessed is Mordechai"

Bobbye answered on 03/14/06:

Just read a few moments ago re Esther; Haman, Mordecai, etc. In fact, I've done a detailed study since early morning re "Those Who Cursed Israel."

Examples:
(1) Haman (the "O.T. Hitler"): Hanged on the gallows he had prepared for the Jews.

(2) Egypt: Reflecting on the story of Moses' being hidden in the "ark" to protect him from drowning by Pharaoh (as all male babies would have encountered); the Egyptians drowned as they pursued the Hebrews across the Red Sea.

(3) Stalin plotted against 12 doctors (9 of whom were Jewish)in order to incite an uprising, leading to ultimate expulsion and death of the Russian Jews. Stalin died of a stroke on March 5, 1953 just days before the diabolical plan could be implemented.

As John Phillips, author of "Exploring the World of the Jew:" Moody Press, 1988; Chicago) wrote: "THERE IS SOMETIMES A GRIM APPROPRIATENESS ABOUT THE TIMING OF GOD!"

(4) The Amalekites never relinquished their attempt to destroy Israel, so God told Moses to write: "...that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven."

Seven hundred years later, God sent the Prophet Samuel to instruct Saul: "Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both men and women...donkey, sheep, etc." I Samuel 15:2-3

WHAT THE AMALEKITE TRIED TO DO TO ISRAEL, GOD DID TO THE AMALEKITES!

And God continues to protect the Jewish nation!

Thanks for posting re Purim.
The Book of Esther is one of my favorites!

Blessings,
bobbye

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BeelzeBUSH asked on 03/14/06 - The Letters of John 1,2, and 3

I was reading Letter #3 of John and I got the visual effect of a board meeting where a company takeover was in the making as John is put off with Diotrephes. Demetrius is John's choice and example of fairness. So besides a few generalized reminders to do good and not evil, why is the letter so relevant to Christianity that it is included as part of the New Testament? George

Bobbye answered on 03/14/06:

Why? TYPICAL DEACON'S MEETING; BOARD MEETING, ETC., ETC., ETC.

Contrary to "public opinion" ("Christian public opinion"), the elderly Apostle John's instruction to the church at large stands equally with the teachings of the Apostle Paul in his instructions to the "church" -- just different problems addressed by each.

Blessings,
bobbye
P.S. I love John's familiar address; i.e., "...my little children," as it has a "kinder, gentler" approach than the austere instructions of Paul.

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BeelzeBUSH asked on 03/12/06 - Peter and Paul

I think of Peter and Paul being dominate as New Testament personalities. Sometimes when I read the New Testament I sense that Peter and Paul had different ideologies upon the direction of early Christianity. Is it a mixture of both these early men's views that help formulate Christianity toward what it is today?



I love myself,
George

Bobbye answered on 03/13/06:

Yes, Peter and Paul had different ideologies re the direction that Christianity should take; specifically, "What were Christ's teachings re His deity and Messiahship; and how do we present these teachings as tenets of evolving Christianity?"

Also, compliance with Roman rules of the Jewish nation at that time (Rome held civil authority, allocating only minimal religious power to the Jews) was of major concern to Paul -- which was of little concern to Peter in his zeal for the spread of the Gospel of the Christ.

Paul's comment: "I withstood Peter to his face, etc., etc.," concerning the dispute that arose at the Jerusalem Conference (Peter's withdrawal from table fellowship with Gentiles, lest he offend those of the circumcision, led him into inconsistency, which Paul recognized as undermining the status of the Gentile beliver) supports the premise set forth above.

Peter's evangelistic fervor appealed to the schooled and unschooled in Judaism, while Paul's legalistic background provided the balance in all matters religious.

Had the rugged fisherman received the education and legal training as the Apostle Paul, I believe the aggressive personalities of the two would have been parallel in their approach to the spread of Christianity. Proving once again that "environment is definitely a factor in our development."

While Luke and Paul were in medical and law schools, respectively, in Tarsus, Peter was attempting to survive in a highly competitive fishing industry in Capernaum. Yet, God takes different personalities to hone the masterpiece of His design -- particularly "the Church!"

Blessings,
bobbye

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CeeBee2 asked on 03/12/06 - When was the last time.....................

I saw this on another site and thought we could try it here...but turn it into a Christian thing.

Just answer the last question posted, then add a question of your own...starting with "when was the last time you..."

Here we go...

When was the last time you sang "Amazing Grace"?

Bobbye answered on 03/13/06:

Just last evening in our worship service, Carol.

THE QUESTION:
"When was the last time your church prayed for the sick, as instructed in James 5:14?"

Be blessed.
bobbye

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deardra asked on 03/05/06 - is christianity really a good thing

I hear a lot about what good religion is but when I look around that isnt what I see. Why is it that religions like christianity and the other major religions all teach love forgiveness and brotherhood but still remain involed in so much murder and hate around the world?

Bobbye answered on 03/06/06:

Is it a good thing? For me it is -- and millions of other believers.

Christians are not perfect: just forgiven.
Christians are expected to become perfect the moment "Christian" is attached to their names; however, I don't see perfection in any other religion, nor do I see such demands placed on other religions for perfection.

Why the difference?

bobbye

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revdauphinee asked on 03/03/06 - Why did God choose Israel ???


According to the history laid out in the Torah, all the nations of the Earth are related through Adam and Noah. We're all family.

Why did God choose Israel out of all the nations of the Earth? That's the age old question, isn't it.

It starts with Abraham. For whatever reason, God decided to reveal Himself to Abraham and form a covenant with him and his descendents forever. We're not told why God chose Abraham. Did God choose him at all, or was it Abraham who chose God? We don't know. I think it was both. What we do know is that a covenant was formed between Abraham and God, and that covenant was extended through Abraham's son, grandson, and all his descendents for ever.

The Torah tells us God delivered Israel out of Egypt because of His covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But why then did He choose Israel to receive the Torah, to be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation? Why did God choose Israel to be the conduit of His holiness and blessing into the world? God told Abraham that all the nations of the Earth would find blessing through his descendents, so it's in fulfillment of that promise. But did God choose Israel or did Israel choose God? I think it was both.

God didn't decide to tell us specifically why he chose us. It certainly wasn't because Israel is better or greater or holier than anyone else. There is a rabbinic legend that God offered the Torah to all the nations of the Earth, but each one wanted to know what it contained before accepting it. Israel alone promised to accept it before finding out what it entailed. There is another rabbinic legend that said God held a mountain over the Israelites heads and threatened to drop it on them if they didn't accept. And several times in the Torah God threatened to wipe out the Israelites and start with a clean slate.

There's no real satisfying answer to this. God works in mysterious ways

Bobbye answered on 03/03/06:

Abraham's faith caused God to choose him, which subsequently led to God's choosing Israel (Abraham's seed) through whom "all nations of the earth would be blessed." The Book of Genesis details Abram's faith; his name change; God's promises to Abraham; God's "cutting of the Covenant" with Abraham, and the establishment of Israel in the Promised Land -- after The Exodus.

The Torah (our Pentateuch:Books of Moses)were AFTER God's choice of Abraham (because of his faith in offering his son,Isaac), leading to the nation of Israel's being blessed.

A good study of "Biblical timelines" answers many questions re Israel.

Blessings,
bobbye

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Itsdb asked on 03/02/06 - Catholic Town

New Florida town looks to ban abortions, pornography and contraceptives

By Brian Skoloff
ASSOCIATED PRESS

10:46 a.m. March 1, 2006

NAPLES, Fla. If Domino's Pizza founder Thomas S. Monaghan has his way, a new town being built in Florida will be governed according to strict Roman Catholic principles, with no place to get an abortion, pornography or birth control.

The pizza magnate is bankrolling the project with at least $250 million and calls it God's will.

Civil libertarians say the plan is unconstitutional and are threatening to sue.

The town of Ave Maria is being constructed around Ave Maria University, the first Catholic university to be built in the United States in about 40 years. Both are set to open next year about 25 miles east of Naples in southwestern Florida.

The town and the university, developed in partnership with the Barron Collier Co., an agricultural and real estate business, will be set on 5,000 acres with a European-inspired town center, a massive church and what planners call the largest crucifix in the nation, at nearly 65 feet tall. Monaghan envisions 11,000 homes and 20,000 residents.

During a speech last year at a Catholic men's gathering in Boston, Monaghan said that in his community, stores will not sell pornographic magazines, pharmacies will not carry condoms or birth control pills, and cable television will have no X-rated channels.

Homebuyers in Ave Maria will own their property outright. But Monaghan and Barron Collier will control all commercial real estate in the town, meaning they could insert provisions in leases to restrict the sale of certain items.

I believe all of history is just one big battle between good and evil. I don't want to be on the sidelines, Monaghan, who sold Domino's Pizza in 1998 to devote himself to doing good works, said in a recent Newsweek interview.

Robert Falls, a spokesman for the project, said Tuesday that attorneys are still reviewing the legal issues and that Monaghan had no comment in the meantime.

If they attempt to do what he apparently wants to do, the people of Naples and Collier County, Florida, are in for a whole series of legal and constitutional problems and a lot of litigation indefinitely into the future, warned Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said it will be up to the courts to decide the legalities of the plan. The community has the right to provide a wholesome environment, he said. If someone disagrees, they have the right to go to court and present facts before a judge.

Gov. Jeb Bush, at the site's groundbreaking earlier this month, lauded the development as a new kind of town where faith and freedom will merge to create a community of like-minded citizens. Bush, a convert to Catholicism, did not speak specifically to the proposed restrictions.

While the governor does not personally believe in abortion or pornography, the town, and any restrictions they may place on businesses choosing to locate there, must comply with the laws and constitution of the state and federal governments, Russell Schweiss, a spokesman for the governor, said Tuesday.

Frances Kissling, president of the liberal Washington-based Catholics for a Free Choice, likened Monaghan's concept to Islamic fundamentalism.

This is un-American, Kissling said. I don't think in a democratic society you can have a legally organized township that will seek to have any kind of public service whatsoever and try to restrict the constitutional rights of citizens.

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Good idea?

Constitutionally sound or "un-American?"

Like "Islamic fundamentalism" or free exercise of religion?

Other thoughts or comments?

Bobbye answered on 03/03/06:

...and then there was Jim Jones and Heaven's Gate, etc., etc.................

The above is ridiculous. It's not another Jim Jones, et al, but the template is too similar for my America to remain true to the Constitution.

Bobbye

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HerrAirhorn asked on 03/02/06 - Salvation

I have always been curious as to how a Protestant would interpret Philippians 2:12 in the context of whether salvation is, as I understand it to mean to Protestants, a one time event, or, as a Catholic would argue, a life long process:

"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."


Salvation is a lifelong process, wouldn't you agree?

Bobbye answered on 03/03/06:

It is both: instantaneous (the "act of Grace") and progressive (as The Holy Spirit is allowed to form Christ within us). The act of grace is a one-time event, as it is the work of the Holy Spirit within the
penitent -- totally God's love transcending! Not man's ability to hold on to grace!

"Salvation" ("Soteriology:" the study of Salvation; its process; its resultant affect upon mankind; etc.) simply means "rescue, deliverance, ransom." This is a work of "Grace!" "For by grace are ye saved through faith, it is a gift of God; not of works lest any man should boast."

As stated above, the work of "grace" is instantaneous and is a one-time event. It is God's ultimate plan of redemption from The Fall:i.e., God's plan that requires nothing from man but "faith." We place too much emphasis upon the fallibility of man when discussing grace and salvation, thus minimizing and refuting the marvel of grace through the completed work at Calvary.

Salvation is also progressive, for it is The Holy Spirit who "forms Christ within us" as we yield to the workings of the Holy Spirit through prayer, holiness, commitment, etc. It is a daily process, culminating in the maturity of the believer.

Bobbye


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HerrAirhorn asked on 03/02/06 - A Theological Question

Can Satan repent?

If you are able, give Bible references to support your opinion. Ja

Bobbye answered on 03/03/06:

No. He is a "fallen angel," and angels "look into the mystery of salvation," which follows repentance.

"And the angels (led by Lucifer: we now know him as "Satan" or "the devil") which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
Jude 7

If the fallen angels are reserved in everlasting chaings under darkness unto the judgment (which Jude 7 states), they are not able to repent.

One of the seven judgments is "Judgment of Angels" -- fallen angels -- wherein the saints (Christians) will also judge angels.

bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 02/28/06 - This is not a question but just a note to Pete.


Pete,

I will not tell you of my past, it is noone's business but mine but many people know and knew me then and know me now. Only through accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of God who forgave me of my sins could I be the person I am today. You see I know that
God is real without a shadow of a doubt and I know that the Holy Spirit lives within me and leads, guides me and directs me daily.

As a child and a middle school kid I was scared of God because I had been told that God'll get you if you are mean and don't listen. When I gave my life to Jesus I still didn't totally give myself to Him and felt as if yes, I know Him, and that is what I am suppose to do. But I was never completely satisfied, there was always a longing and searching for more. There was more to it than I had perceived. Please believe me when I say, after a time I got to the point where I questioned my salvation. Then I started praying to God every chance I got, I read the Scriptures, mainly the Gospel of John and asked God to take me and use me for His service, still holding back some but eventually I surrendered to Him and through His love I have become a person I never knew.
I trust Him to take care of me and my family. I tell Him what bothers me, I prayed for my marriage to be as
my husband and I were when we were dating and first married, yes, we are totally in love, more than ever and we laugh the majority of the time unless one of us is desparetly ill and then we still look at each other as a young couple with desire and a love that will not die until God calls one of us home.

So many times we are the center of conversations because neither was my husband what he should be, there has been many prayers that have brought this couple before the throne of God and this is not bragging it is in thanksgiving for our lives and what Jesus Christ has done for us. We both had talents we didn't know we had, Jesus showed us so as we are in service to Him and others. We want to do these things not because it surely pleases God but because HE put this love in our hearts for others and ourselves and we are running over with love, compassion and happiness that we never had. A joy and happiness that unless you have a "real" relationship with the Saviour, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, you willl never understand. Noone can totally describe it to you it comes from the living waters that only Jesus Christ can give. It is truely unbelieveable and that is why unbelievers cannot fathom the love of God. If anyone ever gives themselves to Jesus Christ totally,
they will never be the same again.

Christians are not better than anyone else but to put it mildly they are not worse than others either. We all make mistakes, fall short of the mark and have different personalities, in short we are human.

You say you have always been good, good for you, there are millions of people just like you all over the world who think that because they are moral people that they need nothing else. But to have the joy unspeakable and full of glory in you life cannot be had by just saying I am OK. Can I prove God lives, you bethcha but only because He lives in me and I know, that I know, that I know. Why do you think you are on this Christianity site? Because the Holy Spirit is causing you to have doubts as to whether God is real which many of you say cannot be proved, not even by looking at the vast oceans, mountains, flowers, animals and the smile of a small child. But, a big bang did not haphazardly throw all the heavens, earth and sea together and "boom" there was
everybody with every minute particle in us just exactly right to make us live and breath, to make the animals know how to take care of themselves, oh no, and they are still monkeys and chimps alive today but they are not able to do many things we do so with all respect for those who believe Darwin's theory, it just won't wash because we who have accepted Christ' death and resurrection and when He acsended into heaven He sent a comfortor to lead us, we know that we are of a "special kind". That is why we wish to see other people enjoy the love He gives. It is not my way to push Christianity on anyone. Yes it is nice to know that when Christians passover to the other side they will not face destruction but the joy of it all will be to thank the One who suffered, bled and died for us and to share His glory forever and ever.

Love to you and God bless,

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 02/28/06:

Maggie, you're special!

Be blessed in a special way for blessing others.
bobbye

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revdauphinee asked on 02/25/06 - a public answer to Hank!

you postd a rating to an answer to one of your diatribes here lately as follows "from HANK1 (This is above your head, Dorothy. Don't comment about something you don't know about!)
My answer to you is how dare you tell me something is over my head!I will decide for my self what i may or may not comment on thank you your advice is not needed and I will continue to comment whenever I see fit on anything i wish to !the last time I checked this was a public forum and anyone who wishes to is alowed to comment on it !

Bobbye answered on 02/26/06:

Dorothy, I recall a year ago that Hank posted to you: "Dorothy, as you know, I think you can do no wrong."

Dorothy, I don't know what has caused the chasm in this friendship, but I pray that he will shower such admiration and respect upon you as in the past. Life is too short to live otherwise.

I have strong feelings about friendships, relationships, marriage, etc., never wishing to accept the "end" of positive relationships. As the old song goes, "When a lovely flame dies, smoke gets in your eyes" (in a romance). But, in a friendship, only grief and sadness compose the residue from such a brilliant ember!

Again, I pray the friendship will be mended. I don't understand where he's coming from; but, I'm not walking in his shoes. I've been through shock and grief the past two years through family illness, so I have compassion for Hank, while appreciating your hurt. Yes, it hurts to be wounded by a friend. An enemy, you expect, but NOT A FRIEND!

Blessings,
bobbye

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BeelzeBUSH asked on 02/24/06 - DO YOU SEE AN END TO THE VIOLENCE?

I don't. The Golden Mosque bombing added fuel to an escalating violent civil war. The environment and conditions for our troops is not improving. Folks we need to stop referring to GW's tenure in Office as a "presidency." His current title is "funeral director." I want our children, our brothers, our sisters, our friends, and our neighbors in the US Armed Forces out of the limited confines of Iraq and back home in America where they belong.




I love myself,
George

Bobbye answered on 02/25/06:

At first glance I thought you were referring to the C. Board! LOL

Seriously, there is no structured or peaceful solution on the drawing board; thus there is no "END" to this ill-planned, ill-fated debacle in Iraq.

Cindy Sheehan stomped around President & Barbara Bush's church this past week, and if the circus had been something other, I might have marched with them. It was just three minutes from my home, so everyone in the area stopped to view the happenings. (It's a shame that she doesn't have a good PR firm to advise her. She could make a "statement" if a touch of professionalism were added to her protest.)

OUR TROOPS NEED TO COME HOME, BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MARCH BY THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS TO GET WASHINGTON'S ATTENTION!

Bobbye

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arcura asked on 02/24/06 - If Jesus said that there is a hell do you believe Him?

(Mk 9:41-49): Jesus said to his disciples: If anyone gives you a drink of water because you belong to Christ and bear his name, truly, I say to you, he will not go without reward. If anyone should cause one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble and sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a great millstone around his neck. If your hand makes you fall into sin, cut it off! It is better for you to enter life without a hand than with two hands to go to hell, to the fire that never goes out. And if your foot makes you fall into sin, cut it off! It is better for you to enter life without a foot than with both feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye makes you fall into sin, tear it out! It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than, keeping both eyes, to be thrown into hell where the worms that eat them never die, and the fire never goes out. The fire itself will preserve them.

Bobbye answered on 02/24/06:

Yes! Jesus said, "...for my words are life and they are truth."

Christians do not fear Hell, for we "know in whom we have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which we've committed unto Him against that day." Hell holds no fear or intimidation to the believer.

Yes, as Joy said: "Love will get the job done with the unbeliever!" Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels -- not for mankind. If we preach and teach love, as Jesus did, others will want to know Jesus -- and they too will have no fear of Hell.

Blessings,
bobbye

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arcura asked on 02/18/06 - I asked answerway about using HTML and images here.

This is the answer I got.
"Thank you for your feedback. There is not concern for this type of action. The image is stored elsewhere and there is not questionable content.
Answerway.com Support"
< HI >So have fun with it if you want.
Peace and kindness,
Fred < /HI >

Bobbye answered on 02/18/06:

Arcura, please ask Management to post its "official" Nota Bene on the Expert Forum. ("Blessed are those who believe, who have not seen." LOL)

Thanks.
bobbye

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Tex78 asked on 02/17/06 - Question????

I am going to ask it again. Why do you think the ones who are talking against God, Jesus, and the United States, are the ones who can post graphes,and fonts of different colors, and sizes? Does that cause you to wonder who they are??

Bobbye answered on 02/17/06:

M. L., they are not the owners (I'm assuming this is your inference from previous comments by several).

Bobbye
P.S. In the past some have been removed for inserting tags of their choosing. It's simply a matter of management's being too busy to monitor. They'll get to it. However, I enjoy the various fonts. Adds a little spice to the soup.



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Erewhon asked on 02/16/06 - Cheney Confounds His Supporters by Telling the Truth.



Cheney: 'I'm the Guy Who Pulled the Trigger'
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
By Jane Roh

Cheney: I'm Authorized to Declassify Gov't Information



NEW YORK Vice President Dick Cheney told FOX News on Wednesday that he alone is responsible for a weekend hunting accident in which he shot Austin attorney Harry Whittington.


"Ultimately I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round that hit Harry," Cheney said in his first interview since the incident. "I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend, and that's something I'll never forget."

Cheney's first public response following the shooting comes more than 72 hours after the accident. His silence has been met with bewilderment and anger by some in Washington, D.C. But on Wednesday, the vice president seemed to express deep remorse.

"The image of him falling is something I will never be able to get out my mind," Cheney said, somberly. "It was one of the worst days of my life."

Cheney said that he, Whittington and one other person separated from the 10-person hunting party to pursue a covey of quail. All three fired their shotguns, but Whittington could not immediately find his bird. He walked away from Cheney and the other hunter to look for it.

Cheney then heard quail moving to his right.

"I turned and shot at the bird, and at that second, saw Harry standing there. Didn't know he was there," Cheney said. "I saw him fall, basically. It had happened so fast."

The vice president added that Whittington was standing in a gully so only his upper body was visible, and that the sun was facing Cheney, which "affected the vision, too, I'm sure."

Whittington, whom Cheney described as an acquaintance he's known for more than 30 years, was hit with more than 200 birdshot pellets from an estimated 30 yards away.

Upon realizing he had shot his hunting companion, Cheney rushed over to find a bleeding and dazed Whittington lying on his back with only one eye open.

"I said, 'Harry, I had no idea you were there,'" Cheney recounted. "He didn't respond. He was he was breathing, conscious at that point, but he didn't he was, I'm sure, stunned, obviously, still trying to figure out what had happened to him."

The accident took place at Armstrong Ranch, a 50,000-acre property in south Texas that is known as one of the best quail-hunting sites in the country.

A physician's assistant traveling with Cheney rushed to Whittington's aid, and accompanied the injured man to the hospital. Cheney said he did not go himself because the ambulance was too crowded.

Cheney said he had one beer at lunch, but that no alcohol was consumed during the late afternoon outing.

Earlier this week, the White House and Katharine Armstrong, the owner of the ranch and an eyewitness to the accident, implied that Whittington did not follow hunting protocol because he didn't announce to Cheney and the other hunter that he had returned from retrieving his kill. On Wednesday, the vice president made clear that Whittington wasn't responsible for being hit.

"It was not Harry's fault," Cheney said. "You cannot blame anybody else."

One thing for which Cheney was not apologetic was the way the news of the shooting was delivered to the media. Armstrong, a private citizen, went to a local newspaper about the incident on Sunday. The Corpus Christi Caller-Times published the story near 3 p.m. EST Sunday. The scoop upset many in the White House press corps, who were not with Cheney on the private retreat.

Before Wednesday's interview, the vice president's office issued two brief written statements acknowledging the shooting on Monday and Tuesday. Cheney said he and Armstrong agreed to let her take the lead.

"I thought that made good sense because you can get as accurate a story as possible from somebody who knows and understands hunting," Cheney said. "Then it would immediately go up to the wires and be posted on the Web site, which is the way it went out. I thought that was the right call. I still do."
[truncated]

FOX News' Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.

===

That makes all those Cheney supporters who jumped in to say it was Harry Whittingham's fault look pretty silly.

Cheney has unseated them with a laudable if tardy display of honesty.

Bobbye answered on 02/17/06:

P.S. Aton's response to Hank confirms my initial thoughts upon hearing the news:i.e., the "apparent" juxtaposition of Cheney and Whittington -- which allowed Whittington to be shot in the face when the trigger was pulled (assuming that Cheney moved in a semi-circle as he zeroed in on the flight position of the quail before shooting).

BTW, does "sound" (you know, one of five senses called "hearing") have anything to do with announcement of position of the hunter within close proximity to be shot in the face (there had to have been some type rustle from the shoes and gear)?

If you can't hear (deaf hunters should be outlawed), perhaps, sight (the cold air expelled by Whittington's breath) could have announced his position -- as he had to have been facing Cheney for shots to strike his face and neck, extending to the heart. (But on thought, Cheney's peripheral vision could be impaired. I'll give him high marks for this "what if".)

I learned quite a bit about hunting and fishing from my twin brother and my dad, who took us camping and fishing quite often, as we loved the outdoor life.

Aton's forensics should be considered in testimony.

bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 02/16/06 - Howe about this lot for a 'new religion'?

LAW OF THE LAND
Boy Scouts 'a religion'?
Attorneys for group battle agnostics over lease of public land
Posted: February 16, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Rees Lloyd
2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Arguments in a major Boy Scouts case unfolding in Pasadena, Calif., before a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals a case that is certain to be headed for the Supreme Court -- centered on the contention that the revered organization is actually a religion and should therefore not be given a lease of public land.

The case was brought by self-declared agnostics Lori and Lynn Barnes-Wallace and Michael and Valerie Breen, along with a son of each, in protest of a lease of parkland in Balboa Park and Fiesta Island by the city of San Diego to the Boy Scouts of America.

The agnostics sued the city on a claim that the lease to the Boy Scouts out of more than 100 leases, including to the YMCA, a number of Jewish groups, one of which conducts Sabbath services on parkland, and the Girl Scouts violates the Establishment of Religion Clause of the First Amendment, and that they are suffering "inferior usage" thereby because they don't want to have to apply for permits, or pay usage fees, to the BSA.

The case is Barnes-Wallace, et al. v. Boy Scouts of America, Nos. 04-55732, 04-56167.

A federal judge in San Diego granted the summary judgment to the agnostics, finding that the Boy Scouts are a "religion" because of the Boy Scout Oath, which includes doing one's duty to "God and my country," and the Boy Scout Law, which includes "reverence" as one of 12 precepts.

Also, the Scouts require a belief in God as a condition of membership.

The city itself is not part of the appeal. It settled with the American Civil Liberties Union to avoid further expense, agreeing to terminate the lease and to give the ACLU $940,000 in attorney fees.

The appeal continues since the Boy Scouts, if they prevail, want to be able to contract for a lease with the city again.

The case has drawn national attention because the federal judge's finding that the BSA is "a religion" imperils the future work of not only the Boy Scouts, but all organizations that recognize a transcendent higher authority, including community service organizations like Rotary and Kiwanis, Alcoholics Anonymous, which works directly with the courts and government, and veterans organizations like the American Legion, whose constitutional preamble begins "For God and Country," almost identical to the Boy Scouts Oath.

"If the Boy Scouts are 'a religion,' so are we in the American Legion. Is the ACLU going to sue our 2.7 million wartime veteran members next, claiming we, too, are 'religion'? Are they going to sue to destroy the religious symbols at our veterans' memorials on public property? The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? Our work in Boys State, Boys Nation, with the government? Our Oratorical Contests with schools?" a Legionnaire asked after Tuesday's court session.

The crucial cultural question of who or what "is a religion" was argued by lawyers for the parties and submitted for decision to three lawyers sitting as Ninth Circuit Justices: William C. Canby, Andrew J. Kleinfeld and Marsha Berzon.

Mark Danis, lawyer for the agnostics, argued that the Boy Scouts are "a religion," and the lease to the BSA therefore violates the Establishment Clause because the agreement "aids" religion. The Boy Scouts pay only $1 a year, as do, apparently, all the other nonprofit groups that have leases on parklands.

George P. Davidson, BSA lawyer, argued that the Scouts are "not a religion," but an organization dedicated to helping youth build moral and ethical character, which mission the BSA believes needs a belief in God and reverence as a necessary component.

He emphasized that the BSA is "not sectarian;" has no creed, in the sense of a systematic theology or religious doctrine; expressly directs Scouts that any religious instruction should be by their parents and self-chosen religious affiliations; and that the Scouts include boys of many religions, including Christians, Jews, Muslims and others.

Davidson argued that the city isn't aiding the Scouts within the meaning of the law. Rather, the city is benefiting from the deal because it requires the BSA, in lieu of rent, to build, maintain and operate the facilities at its own expense. He stated the Boy Scouts have already spent some $1.7 million on capital improvements to the property and expend over $150,000 annually in operating expenses.

The attorney also referred the court to the friend-of-the-court brief filed by the Thomas Beckett Fund. John C. Eastman, Chapman University law professor, joined Davidson at the counsel table to be available for questions, but did not argue due to the 30-minute time limit allowed for argument.

Eric W. Treene, special counsel for religious discrimination at the U.S. Department of Justice, filed a brief and argued the case as friend of the court in defense of the Boy Scouts.

Treene discussed all the leading cases on the Establishment Clause and judicial tests for what constitutes a "religion" or impermissible "aid" to religion, and argued that the Boy Scouts are not under those precedents "a religion," nor is the organization being "aided" unconstitutionally by the lease.

"This is a value-for-value agreement," he argued. "The city is exchanging use of the land by the BSA in exchange for the capital improvements and the operating expense which the BSA is absorbing at its own, and not the city's, expense."

Justice Berzon asked no questions about how it is that the Scouts are a religion, but sharply questioned the BSA's lawyers on why the lease is not impermissible "aid" under the California Constitution, rather than the federal Establishment Clause. She also asked why the case shouldn't be certified to the California Supreme Court.

Berzon also did a bit of lawyering for the agnostics' attorney, questioning why he hadn't raise a legal theory that Berzon felt would be more effective in attacking the Boy Scouts, but had not been raised in the lower court.

Generally, a theory not raised in the lower court cannot be raised in the first instance in the Court of Appeal.

Notwithstanding, Berzon pressed the question of her theory, receiving in response a stutter, then acknowledgment the theory hadn't been raised in favor of others that were.

Davidson countered Berzon's observations, arguing that there is no "aid" as the BSA is not receiving any taxpayer funds nor material, and its use of the parkland is conditioned upon its making millions of dollars in improvements and operating expenses, relieving the city of those expenses.

Justices Kleinfeld and Canby, on the issue of "aid," questioned agnostics' counsel Danis if there was any amount of money the BSA could pay to improve the property that would negate the claim of aid.

"If the Scouts paid, say, $100,000,000, far more than the value of the use of the land or its value would that satisfy your clients?" asked Canby.

"No," answered Danis, arguing that the lease by the city would be "aid" to religion, i.e., the Scouts, no matter how much the BSA paid and how much more value it provided to the city than it received.

Kleinfeld said he was troubled by that response and the issue of legal "standing" of the agnostics to challenge the lease.

Noting that there was no evidence that the Scouts had ever excluded anyone who sought a use permit, including " gays, lesbians, atheists, anyone," and that the agnostic plaintiffs had never sought or been denied a permit to use the facilities, he asked: "How can they claim injury in fact?"

Danis conceded it was true that his clients had never applied for nor been denied use of the facilities.

However, he argued their constitutional injury is that they are suffering "inferior use" because they find it offensive to have to submit a permit application, and to pay usage fees, "to the Boy Scouts."

Because of the importance of the case, numerous briefs were filed as amicus curiae (friend of the court). Present in court, although not arguing, were attorneys for organizations that had filed amicus briefs.

Those supporting the agnostics were the Unitarian/Universalist Church Association by attorney Eric Isaacson of San Diego.

Supporting the Boy Scouts were the Thomas Beckett Fund and attorney John C. Eastman, director of the Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence at Chapman University School of Law; the Individual Rights Foundation by attorney Paul A. Hoffman; and the American Legion, by Paul Rosenzweig, Esq., of the Heritage Foundation with National Judge Advocate Philip B. Onderdonk Jr. serving of counsel.

Whatever the Ninth Circuit rules, it appears certain the case will go to the U.S. Supreme Court.

No attorney on either side had an answer to the question put by reporters at a press conference following oral argument: "How will the Ninth Circuit rule?"

On the other hand, no member of the press could answer one attending attorney's question to them:

"Why should the judiciary 'rule' at all, in a democratic republic, on such a core cultural question as to what constitutes 'a religion' in America?

That is, why should three unelected lawyers sitting as judges, or perhaps nine unelected lawyers on the Supreme Court, 'rule,' instead of a decision being made by deliberations and vote by elected representatives after procedures in which citizens have an opportunity to be heard?"

"Hmm, that's very interesting. I'll have to think about that," politely responded one reporter as he gathered gear to scurry off to make deadline for the early news television broadcast.



QUESTION:

What do you think of describing the Boy Scouts organisation as a 'religion.'?



Bobbye answered on 02/17/06:

Boy Scouts a religion? I think I'll have the pastor announce this Sunday that we will meet at the campgrounds hereafter rather than at the Worship Center. Can't wait to drop a line in the pond while the tithes and offerings are being offered, or, particularly, when the announcements for the week are presented. Everyone sleeps through those at best. Why not fish a while!

Boy Scouts a religion? Why not, Ron? If only a belief in God qualifies one or a group as "a religion," the devils believe and tremble. Don't think they are a religion.

Some folks need to get a job to occupy their time and stop wasting time inciting controversy through frivolous lawsuits.

Bobbye

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sarnian asked on 02/16/06 - Now even the UN demands Guantanamo Bay to be closed

Today Kofi Anan called for closing of the Guantanamobay facilities. He called the continuing existence of these facilities a "DISCREDIT" to the UN Organisation, a place of excessive violence and torture.

Opened in January 2002 for prisoners from Afghanistan, today - after more than 4 years of operation - there are still prisoners of the original group of inmates who have not yet been sentenced by a Court.
Kofi Anan demanded that prisoners should now either be tried or released, and stated that the current treatment of prisoners is similar to torture.

From your (christian) perspective : do you agree or disagree, and why?

Bobbye answered on 02/17/06:

Kofi Anan?

Surely you jest in presenting anything he supports -- in light of the "oil-for-food" scandal; the cover-up; etc., etc., etc. Let's close the bank so that Kofi can become credible!

Whether saint (Christian) or sinner, all that is required for an opinion of that debacle is a brain. And let's not forget the son!

Anan's assessment of violence and torture should have begun as "discovery" in Iraq; and, then, in looking through the eyes of real torture, he'd be qualified to present
his ruling to the court of world opinion!

However, I do concur that the prisoners should be tried or released. But, paralleled again are the victims of Katrina, who continue to wait and hope for humane treatment -- somewhere from someone.

Bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 02/16/06 - Cheney Confounds His Supporters by Telling the Truth.



Cheney: 'I'm the Guy Who Pulled the Trigger'
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
By Jane Roh

Cheney: I'm Authorized to Declassify Gov't Information



NEW YORK Vice President Dick Cheney told FOX News on Wednesday that he alone is responsible for a weekend hunting accident in which he shot Austin attorney Harry Whittington.


"Ultimately I'm the guy who pulled the trigger that fired the round that hit Harry," Cheney said in his first interview since the incident. "I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend, and that's something I'll never forget."

Cheney's first public response following the shooting comes more than 72 hours after the accident. His silence has been met with bewilderment and anger by some in Washington, D.C. But on Wednesday, the vice president seemed to express deep remorse.

"The image of him falling is something I will never be able to get out my mind," Cheney said, somberly. "It was one of the worst days of my life."

Cheney said that he, Whittington and one other person separated from the 10-person hunting party to pursue a covey of quail. All three fired their shotguns, but Whittington could not immediately find his bird. He walked away from Cheney and the other hunter to look for it.

Cheney then heard quail moving to his right.

"I turned and shot at the bird, and at that second, saw Harry standing there. Didn't know he was there," Cheney said. "I saw him fall, basically. It had happened so fast."

The vice president added that Whittington was standing in a gully so only his upper body was visible, and that the sun was facing Cheney, which "affected the vision, too, I'm sure."

Whittington, whom Cheney described as an acquaintance he's known for more than 30 years, was hit with more than 200 birdshot pellets from an estimated 30 yards away.

Upon realizing he had shot his hunting companion, Cheney rushed over to find a bleeding and dazed Whittington lying on his back with only one eye open.

"I said, 'Harry, I had no idea you were there,'" Cheney recounted. "He didn't respond. He was he was breathing, conscious at that point, but he didn't he was, I'm sure, stunned, obviously, still trying to figure out what had happened to him."

The accident took place at Armstrong Ranch, a 50,000-acre property in south Texas that is known as one of the best quail-hunting sites in the country.

A physician's assistant traveling with Cheney rushed to Whittington's aid, and accompanied the injured man to the hospital. Cheney said he did not go himself because the ambulance was too crowded.

Cheney said he had one beer at lunch, but that no alcohol was consumed during the late afternoon outing.

Earlier this week, the White House and Katharine Armstrong, the owner of the ranch and an eyewitness to the accident, implied that Whittington did not follow hunting protocol because he didn't announce to Cheney and the other hunter that he had returned from retrieving his kill. On Wednesday, the vice president made clear that Whittington wasn't responsible for being hit.

"It was not Harry's fault," Cheney said. "You cannot blame anybody else."

One thing for which Cheney was not apologetic was the way the news of the shooting was delivered to the media. Armstrong, a private citizen, went to a local newspaper about the incident on Sunday. The Corpus Christi Caller-Times published the story near 3 p.m. EST Sunday. The scoop upset many in the White House press corps, who were not with Cheney on the private retreat.

Before Wednesday's interview, the vice president's office issued two brief written statements acknowledging the shooting on Monday and Tuesday. Cheney said he and Armstrong agreed to let her take the lead.

"I thought that made good sense because you can get as accurate a story as possible from somebody who knows and understands hunting," Cheney said. "Then it would immediately go up to the wires and be posted on the Web site, which is the way it went out. I thought that was the right call. I still do."
[truncated]

FOX News' Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.

===

That makes all those Cheney supporters who jumped in to say it was Harry Whittingham's fault look pretty silly.

Cheney has unseated them with a laudable if tardy display of honesty.

Bobbye answered on 02/16/06:

"And the blood alcohol content was??????"

"SORRY, THIS PRESS UPDATE HAS ENDED," said the hospital administrator (while the doctor looked askance). My, my.

Bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 01/01/06 - Tithing



Heber J Grant said:

"The law of financial prosperity to the Latter-day Saints, under covenant with God, is to be an honest tithepayer, and not to rob the Lord in tithes and offerings. Prosperity comes to those who observe the law of tithing; and when I say prosperity I am not thinking of it in terms of dollars and cents alone, although as a rule the Latter-day Saints who are the best tithepayers are the most prosperous men, financially; but what I count as real prosperity, as the one thing of all others that is of great value to every man and woman living, is the growth in a knowledge of God, and in a testimony, and in the power to live the gospel and to inspire our families to do the same. That is prosperity of the truest kind. I would rather die in poverty knowing that my family could testify that, to the best of the ability with which God had endowed me, I had observed his laws and kept his commandments, and by my example, had proclaimed the gospel, than to have all the wealth of the world



What is your experience with tithe paying?


Bobbye answered on 01/01/06:

Instituted BEFORE The Law!

(1) Abraham tithed to Melchizedek -- 430 years BEFORE The Law of Moses.

Genesis 14:18-20 "Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. And He blessed him and said: 'Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of Heaven and earth. And blessed be God most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand, and he gave him a TITHE OF ALL."

(2) Tithing is an eternal principle (Hebrews 7:1-8). Tithing did not originate with the Old Testatment Law. Tithing was instituted BEFORE the Law and was then later incorporated into the Mosaic Law and EVEN LATER carried over into the New Testament.

(3) Jacob obeyed the Tithing principle 270 years before the Mosaic Law: Genesis 28:20-22

(4) JESUS TITHED AND CONFIRMED THE PRACTICE OF TITHING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Matthew 23:23, "Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay the tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. THESE YOU OUGHT TO HAVE DONE, WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE."

Luke 11:42, "But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE."

(5) TITHING IS CONNECTED WITH THE ETERNAL AND UNCHANGING PRIESTHOOD OF MELCHIZEDEK: HEBREWS 7:1-8, proving again that tithing is a New Covenant Principle.
Hebrews 7:8, "Here mortal men receive tithes, but there He (Jesus) receives them of whom it is witnessed that He lives."

TITHING DID NOT BEGIN WITH THE LAW AND TITHING DID NOT END WITH THE LAW, BUT IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF GOD'S WORD!

Happy New Year!
Bobbye

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sapphire630 asked on 12/21/05 - Religion according to the brain dead tube

I read Tomders reply about the Barbare Walters special.
Now I know I am glad I didn't see it. Jackie Mason an expert on religion simply cause he is a Jew.
I quit watching TV back when Mel Gibsons Passion was controversial. Katie Courie asked an **EXPERT** of religious studies what she thought of the Passion movie. It was the only question she asked the expert.
The only thing the Expert had to say was that "it was not accurate because there were a few people worshipping him with palm leaves on his way to the cross. Then all of a sudden there was a crowd against him saying crucify him where did the crowd come from and why did they change?"

DUH! I never saw such stupidity!

Bobbye answered on 12/21/05:

Sapph, programs re religion (specifically "Christianity") hosted by a T.V. personality make as much sense as the network's asking the "personality" to host brain surgery on T.V.

Laughable!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Bobbye


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arcura asked on 12/15/05 - Do dogs go to heaven? Is this the answer?

To see the answer go here...
http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~cypert/dick/inheaven.html

Bobbye answered on 12/17/05:

Dr. Jack VanImpe has authored a great video re "Animals in Heaven!"

Merry Christmas!
Bobbye

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Choux asked on 12/16/05 - It's All About Money

For the longest time, I wondered, why does the religious right stir-up terrible fears in the average folks where there is no real reason for fear. For example, stores say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas!!!!

It is all about raising money.

It is easy to raise money if simple people think there is an attack of horrific proportions on their religions. There is no attack on any religions **RIGHTS**.

But, if you think so, you'll send money.

I'm right, aren't I????

Bobbye answered on 12/17/05:

No one has hindered my saying "Merry Christmas!" Also, I've never paid attention to what retail has to say about Christmas. It's about money!

I do, however, resent our President's not sending a "Christmas" card; rather, he sent a "Happy Holiday" card. Who put him into office? The Christians! Such abandonment! If he abandons the Christ to whom he prays, what will he do to the rest of us?

BTW, Jesus said, "If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father, which is in Heaven!" (That Scripture also applies the "boy wonder" who denied three times on the "Larry King Live" show that Jesus said -- and Christians consider fundamental to their beliefs -- "I AM THE WAY!") "If you deny me...!")

Just wondering? Is there going to be a "P.C." edict re Chanukah, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot, Simchat, Torah, etc? What about Kuansa? Just wonderin'! Thinkin'!

MERRY CHRISTMAS!
bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 12/16/05 - Out of date, or current and compelling?



Is this still relevant?

Matthew 5:43-46

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love only them which love you, what reward have ye?

Do not even tax gathering thieves do the same?"



Bobbye answered on 12/17/05:

God's Word is "forever settled in the heavens!" Therefore, it "is" (present tense throughout eternity)!


One Scripture that we overlook, which is so relevant to Matthew 5, is Mark 11:25: "And when you stand praying forgive that your Father in Heaven may FORGIVE YOU!"

If for no other reason to lay down the hate, we must forgive in order to be forgiven.

Bobbye

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Erewhon asked on 12/16/05 - A Bug Too Far? Can He Avoid Impeachment? A Blow for Right Wing Christians.



Bush stands firm over spying row
George W Bush


President George W Bush insists he has not compromised civil liberties, after it was alleged he authorised people in the US to be bugged without a warrant.

A storm of protest erupted after the New York Times said the National Security Agency (NSA)** was allowed to eavesdrop on hundreds of people.

Senators from both sides called for an explanation and investigation.

Mr Bush refused to confirm or deny the claims, but said he always upheld the law and protected civil liberties.

The president said he would not discuss ongoing intelligence operations.

But he added: "I will make this point. That whatever I do to protect the American people, and I have an obligation to do so, that we will uphold the law, and decisions made are made understanding we have an obligation to protect the civil liberties of the American people."

The New York Times said Mr Bush signed a secret presidential order following the attacks on 11 September 2001, allowing the NSA, based at Fort Meade, Maryland, to track the international telephone calls and e-mails of hundreds of people without referral to the courts.

Previously, surveillance on American soil was generally limited to foreign embassies.

Critics have questioned whether wider surveillance in the US crosses constitutional limits on legal searches.

American law usually requires a secret court, known as a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, to give permission before intelligence officers can conduct surveillance on US soil.

'Big brother'

Republican Senator John McCain called for an explanation.

Senator Arlen Specter, Senate Judiciary Committee chairman and another Republican, said "there is no doubt that this is inappropriate", adding that Senate hearings would be held early next year as "a very, very high priority".

Senator John McCain, Republican (left) and Senator Joe Lieberman, Democrat
Senators from both sides have expressed disquiet

"This is Big Brother run amok," was the reaction of Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy, while his colleague Russell Feingold called it a "shocking revelation" that "ought to send a chill down the spine of every senator and every American".

The allegations coincided with a setback for the Bush administration, as the Senate rejected extensions to spying provisions in the Patriot Act.

BBC Washington correspondent Justin Webb said it is a sign of intense concern about infringements of civil liberties in the name of security.

The White House is having a tough time convincing even its Republican supporters that the things it does in the name of the war on terrorism are always justified, he adds.

Echoes of Vietnam

Administration officials issued a robust defence of anti-terrorist operations, saying they had prevented several attacks - including one on targets in Britain.

But the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said eavesdropping in the US without a court order and without complying with the procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was "both illegal and unconstitutional".

"The administration is claiming extraordinary presidential powers at the expense of civil liberties and is putting the president above the law," director Caroline Fredrickson said.

To opponents of the Bush administration, the alleged bugging programme is reminiscent of the widespread abuse of power by the security services during the Vietnam War when anti-war activists were monitored illegally, our correspondent says.

That activity prompted tougher regulation of bugging.

** NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY
Formed in 1952
Biggest US security agency, with 38,000 employees
Nicknamed "No Such Agency"
Has a dozen listening posts around the world, tracking phone calls, diplomatic traffic, emails, faxes
May record up to 500 million hours of traffic every day
On US soil, can only listen to "agents of a foreign power"
NSA is America's most powerful spy agency

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Has Bush infringed the civil liberties of American citizens and acted illegally?


Bobbye answered on 12/17/05:

Ronnie, presidents are impreached for lack of morals -- not criminal offenses! LOL

Merry Christmas! Oops! Forgot!
The Christians put Bush into the White House and now he's ashamed to say "Merry Christmas!" What's his problem? He's not running for reelection. Sad!

Again, MERRY CHRISTMAS!
bobbye

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Choux asked on 11/04/05 - SHAME!

"Let me see, the religious "left" which in most of the conservative church teach that the Pope and the church of Rome are the same as the anti Christ. If anyone should not like another Catholic on the bench it should be them. But guess what they love him and glad to see him because of his views, not his denomination."

"Father" Chuck's response to the question about Catholics on the Supreme Court earlier today.

I am totally outraged at this blatant lie and attempt to smear those who he doesn't like. I can't believe my eye. Some Fundamentalist Christian churches teach that Catholicism isn't a Christian religion!!

Bobbye answered on 11/04/05:

Mary Shou, only the ill-informed or ignorant of the true Gospel of Christ teach such. True Christians are in every denomination.

Be blessed,
bobbye
P.S. Poor 'stros! My nerves couldn't take those 3rd and 4th games. LOL However, the stronger team won and earned the pennant!

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HANK1 asked on 11/04/05 - HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME:


Yep! It's my Birthday. I plan to live until I'm at least 99.

"Happy Birthday to You, the four-line ditty, was written as a classroom greeting in 1893 by two Louisville teachers, Mildred J. Hill, an authority on Negro spirituals, and Dr. Patty Smith Hill, professor emeritus of education at Columbia University.

The MELODY of the song Happy Birthday to You was composed by Mildred J. Hill, a schoolteacher born in Louisville, KY, on June 27, 1859. The song was first published in 1893, with the lyrics WRITTEN by her sister, Patty Smith Hill, as "Good Morning To All."

Happy Birthday to HANK, Happy Birthday to Hank ...

Age is a matter of attitude, health, perspective and all bodily functions. I'm happy to report that my functions are doing just fine.

HANK

Bobbye answered on 11/04/05:

Happy Birthday, Hank. You and Laura Bush share the same day!

Blessings,
bobbye

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QueenChoux asked on 08/22/05 - Robertson calls for Assassination 8-22-05

The following is quoted from Pat Robertson.

ROBERTSON: "There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced. And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

What is he thinking???

Comments???

Bobbye answered on 08/23/05:

He wasn't thinking -- wasn't "thinking" about all the followers (and resultant loss of mega bucks) he will lose as a result.

Paul Harvey mentioned this on his commentary today. I couldn't believe my ears.

Pat Robertson can't decide if he wants to be in politics or the pulpit.

Bobbye

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QueenChoux asked on 08/18/05 - Christian Outreach




***Churches seeking marketing-savvy breed of pastor
By G. Jeffrey MacDonald | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor***

A year ago, the Rev. Scott Schlotfelt was weighing job offers from three churches smitten by what he had to offer.

But they weren't talking about his preaching or counseling skills. What they were seeking, like a number of churches across the United States, was some savvy marketing. And like a growing number of pastors, consultants, and volunteers, Mr. Schlotfelt was eager to do some branding for the Lord.


"I've kind of had a heart for marketing, [and] I think a lot of churches are looking for outreach" specialists, says Schlotfelt, outreach pastor at Mountain Christian Church in Joppa, Md. He received his undergraduate degree in marketing, then studied for the ministry and helped congregations build up their images through advertising in Las Vegas and Amarillo, Texas.

"It's the medium of marketing that's used to get a message across [in today's culture], whether it's an election or you're trying to sell a product," he adds. "But in this case, we're just trying to hear the hope of a new life that is eternal."

To succeed, a number of denominations and local congregations alike are seeking marketing know-how, whether among church staff or from from hired experts.

Churches' outreach to potential members as summer winds down. The United Methodist Church, for instance, will make its largest media buy of the year starting Aug. 30 - a four-week, $4 million effort. To get that marketing know-how, they're turning to those who know how to sell cars, houses, and other commercial products.

"The church in more ways than not is mirroring Wall Street and the world and Madison Avenue," says H. B. London, vice president of pastoral ministries at Focus on the Family, a national resource network for evangelical Christians. "We're [lagging] behind them to a certain degree, but we're using all their techniques."



For many in church leadership, corporate-style marketing is nothing new. Among males enrolled in seminary in 2000, the most common educational background was technical science, including business, communications, and computer science, according to a study by the Center for the Study of Theological Education at Auburn Theological Seminary in New York. (For women, it's social science.)

Another factor: almost 2 in 3 seminarians are over 30 years of age, according to 2003 data from the Association of Theological Schools, which means church leaders often have had business experience.

Thinking in terms of customers and markets, however, might not always bring out the best in a church leader, according to Jackson Carroll, a professor emeritus of religion and society and former director of research at the Pulpit & Pew Project at Duke University in Durham, N.C. He cites the example of Southern preachers who took up the cause of civil rights in the 1960s despite vehement local resistance.

"It didn't help marketing at all," Professor Carroll says. "People left churches in droves when pastors or leaders in the congregation took a strong stand in favor of integration, [but] they did it anyway."

Today, he says, pastors who make marketing a top priority run the risk of fostering "a congregation that refuses to deal with issues of individual or social justice because it might offend someone."

"Go therefore ..."

Others, however, see marketing as a necessary part of Christ Jesus' great commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19, New Revised Standard Version).

"Marketing and the church, they go hand in hand [because] we're called to bring our message to a community," says Kristal Dove, operations manager at Church Marketing Solutions. But she says not all church leaders should be involved.

"We basically make it so ministers can focus on people and not have to worry about this stuff," Ms. Dove says.

But in the opinion of Mr. London of Focus on the Family, any church leader's success depends at least in part on bringing the best of corporate-marketing tactics to bear on a righteous cause.

"Nearly every pastor is a salesman or a marketer of one kind or another because ... we have a philosophy to sell," he says. "The best marketers and best salesmen will have more converts, will have more people, will take in more money.... Evangelicals are marketers because they're really passionate about their product."

Have you encountered Christian Marketing in your church experience or anywhere??

Do you think that this approach will help increase church membership in America?

Comments....

Bobbye answered on 08/18/05:

A mega church just opened in my area -- as a result of great marketing strategies! The young pastor has 20 attorneys and a host of spin doctors;, as well as a media director to place him in the most strategic markets on T.V.,etc.

The spin doctors even go so far as to advise what he and the family are to say in the pulpit. They were called in to advise the family as to "how we should act" upon the death of the father (the founder of the church).

The "marketing stragegists" or "spin doctors" advised the family not to shed tears at the funeral or thereafter; nor to make any reference from the pulpit to the father (after all these are "new beginnings). (The "grieving wife" skipped down the aisle to the pulpit at the Memorial Service, greeting everyone with a grin and small conversation along the way. She truly loved her husband, but felt the need to obey the "spin doctors") -- who advised that "it was not good for business" to refer to the past or shed tears over the deceased. It has succeeded -- obviously. (They did make reference to the deceased at the GRAND opening! The glorious opening!)

Choux, of course, marketing is needed in any endeavor -- whether you're selling your skills to your boss or building a church. However, the death of a loved one is a bit different.

I must admit that the spin doctors have hit a home-run for the mega church mentioned above.

Bobbye

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ladybugca asked on 08/18/05 - God's Sacrifice for us


> > >
> > >
> > > AFTER A FEW OF THE USUAL SUNDAY EVENING HYMNS,
> > > THE CHURCH'S PASTOR SLOWLY STOOD UP,
> > > WALKED OVER TO THE PULPIT AND,
> > > BEFORE HE GAVE HIS SERMON FOR THE EVENING,
> > > BRIEFLY INTRODUCED A GUEST MINISTER
> > > WHO WAS IN THE SERVICE THAT EVENING.
> > >
> > > IN THE INTRODUCTION, THE PASTOR TOLD THE
> > > CONGREGATION
> > > THAT THE GUEST MINISTER WAS ONE OF HIS DEAREST
> > > CHILDHOOD FRIENDS AND THAT HE WANTED HIM TO HAVE
> > > A FEW MOMENTS TO GREET THE CHURCH AND SHARE WHATEVER
> > > HE FELT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SERVICE.
> > > WITH THAT, AN ELDERLY MAN STEPPED UP TO THE PULPIT AND
> > > BEGAN TO SPEAK.
> > >
> > > "A FATHER, HIS SON, AND A FRIEND OF HIS SON WERE
> > > SAILING OFF THE PACIFIC COAST," HE BEGAN,
> > > "WHEN A FAST APPROACHING STORM BLOCKED ANY
> > > ATTEMPT TO GET BACK TO THE SHORE. THE WAVES WERE SO HIGH,
> > > THAT EVEN THOUGH THE FATHER WAS AN EXPERIENCED SAILOR,
> > > HE COULD NOT KEEP THE BOAT UPRIGHT AND THE THREE
> > > WERE SWEPT INTO THE OCEAN AS THE BOAT CAPSIZED."
> > >
> > > THE OLD MAN HESITATED FOR A MOMENT,
> > > MAKING EYE CONTACT WITH TWO TEENAGERS WHO WERE,
> > > FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE SERVICE BEGAN,
> > > LOOKING SOMEWHAT INTERESTED IN HIS STORY.
> > >
> > > THE AGED MINISTER CONTINUED WITH HIS STORY,
> > > "GRABBING A RESCUE LINE, THE FATHER HAD TO MAKE
> > > THE MOST EXCRUCIATING DECISION OF HIS LIFE: TO WHICH
> > > BOY WOULD HE THROW THE OTHER END OF THE LIFE LINE.
> > >
> > > HE ONLY HAD SECONDS TO MAKE THE DECISION.
> > >
> > > THE FATHER KNEW THAT HIS SON WAS A CHRISTIAN AND
> > > HE, ALSO, KNEW THAT HIS SON'S FRIEND WAS NOT.
> > >
> > > THE AGONY OF HIS DECISION COULD NOT BE MATCHED BY
> > > THE TORRENT OF WAVES.
> > >
> > > AS THE FATHER YELLED OUT, 'I LOVE YOU, SON!'
> > > HE THREW OUT THE LIFE LINE TO HIS SON'S FRIEND.
> > >
> > > BY THE TIME THE FATHER HAD PULLED THE FRIEND BACK
> > > TO THE CAPSIZED BOAT, HIS SON HAD DISAPPEARED
> > > BENEATH THE RAGING SWELLS INTO THE BLACK OF NIGHT.
> > >
> > > HIS BODY WAS NEVER RECOVERED.
> > >
> > > BY THIS TIME, THE TWO TEENAGERS WERE SITTING UP
> > > STRAIGHT IN THE PEW, ANXIOUSLY WAITING FOR THE
> > > NEXT WORDS TO COME OUT OF THE OLD MINISTER'S MOUTH.
> > >
> > > "THE FATHER," HE CONTINUED, "KNEW HIS SON WOULD
> > > STEP INTO ETERNITY WITH JESUS AND HE COULD NOT BEAR
> > > THE THOUGHT OF HIS SON'S FRIEND STEPPING INTO AN
> > > ETERNITY WITHOUT JESUS.. THEREFORE, HE SACRIFICED HIS SON
> > > TO SAVE THE SON'S FRIEND. "
> > >
> > > HOW GREAT IS THE LOVE OF GOD THAT HE SHOULD DO
> > > THE SAME FOR US. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER SACRIFICED HIS
> > > ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WE COULD BE SAVED. I URGE YOU
> > > TO ACCEPT HIS OFFER TO RESCUE YOU AND TAKE A HOLD OF
> > > THE LIFE LINE HE IS THROWING OUT TO YOU IN THIS SERVICE."
> > >
> > > WITH THAT, THE OLD MAN TURNED AND SAT BACK DOWN IN
> > > HIS CHAIR AS SILENCE FILLED THE ROOM.
> > >
> > > THE PASTOR AGAIN WALKED SLOWLY TO THE PULPIT AND
> > > DELIVERED A BRIEF SERMON WITH AN INVITATION AT
> > > THE END. HOWEVER, NO ONE RESPONDED TO THE APPEAL.
> > > WITHIN MINUTES AFTER THE SERVICE ENDED, THE TWO
> > > TEENAGERS WERE AT THE OLD MAN'S SIDE.
> > >
> > > "THAT WAS A NICE STORY," POLITELY STATED ONE OF THEM,
> > > "BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS VERY REALISTIC FOR A FATHER
> > > TO GIVE UP HIS ONLY SON'S LIFE IN HOPES THAT THE
> > > OTHER BOY WOULD BECOME A CHRISTIAN."
> > >
> > > "WELL, YOU'VE GOT A POINT THERE," THE OLD MAN REPLIED,
> > > GLANCING DOWN AT HIS WORN BIBLE.
> > > A BIG SMILE BROADENED HIS NARROW FACE.
> > > HE ONCE AGAIN LOOKED UP AT THE BOYS AND SAID,
> > > "IT SURE ISN'T VERY REALISTIC, IS IT?
> > > BUT I'M STANDING HERE TODAY TO TELL YOU THAT STORY
> > > GIVES ME A GLIMPSE OF WHAT IT MUST HAVE BEEN LIKE FOR
> > > GOD TO GIVE UP HIS SON FOR ME. YOU SEE...
> > >
> > > I WAS THAT FATHER AND YOUR PASTOR IS MY SON'S FRIEND."

i got this from my friend i hope everyone likes it

Bobbye answered on 08/18/05:

Beautiful! Thanks for sharing.
Bobbye

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bucker asked on 08/18/05 - Trouble asking questions

Does anyone else have trouble asking a question on the queation board...?

Bobbye answered on 08/18/05:

M.L., just look above your post and click on "Ask A Question." You obviously made it through with this post. (As we've discussed, if you post this on the "Expert Forum," you'll get a broader discussion, as some of the computer brains visit there from time-to-time. From what you've indicated to me, you get an "error" message. This needs technical advice.)

Be blessed,
bobbye

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QueenChoux asked on 08/17/05 - Potential End to Horrible Epidemic?

Scientists in Australia's tropical north are collecting blood from crocodiles in the hope of developing a powerful antibiotic for humans, after tests showed that the reptile's immune system kills the HIV virus.

The crocodile's immune system is much more powerful than that of humans, preventing life-threatening infections after savage territorial fights which often leave the animals with gaping wounds and missing limbs.

Perhaps it won't be too long now to save Africa?
Perhaps it won't be very long to save all others?

Comments??

Bobbye answered on 08/17/05:

What a major breakthrough if they can produce an antibiotic for humans from reptiles. Other antibiotics may also come forth from such research.

Good news!

Thanks for sharing.
bobbye

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MaggieB asked on 08/16/05 - Unfortunately, that is not what the Scriptures teach.

It seems to me that nearly everywhere I go these days there are automatic, self-opening doors. I know they are nothing new, they have just been in my conscious thoughts.

I found them at the local hospital when I made some hospital visits. They are in the grocery stores and the department stores as well. These automatic doors are convenient, all you have to do is get close to them and they open for you. You do not have to pull them open for yourself and you do not have to knock.

Those doors got me thinking. Many people have an automatic door faith. They hope that if they get close enough to church, live in a Christian country or are "nice" people, the doors of heaven will automatically open for them. Unfortunately, that is not what the Scriptures teach.

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. Matthew 7:7-8 NIV

Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:19-20 NIV

We have to open the door for ourselves. Salvation through Christ waits on the other side, but there are no shortcuts. We must surrender to Him and open the door to His love.

We can stand outside for a lifetime, while He patiently waits for us. He calls from beyond the door, offering the gifts of everlasting life; forgiveness; love; hope; peace; joy and more. Have you opened the door?

This is as simple as it gets and the Scriptures remind us that we must come as a small child with humble submission and believing with a child like faith, why do some folk find this so hard to understand?

Why do you think Jesus told the disciples not to turn the lttle children away? Simply because they understood and believed what he was saying and they were as jewels in Jesus sight. We all know that there is an in-built instinct in children that gives them the knowledge of fear relating to who is bad and good.
Oh ye of little faith.

MaggieB

Bobbye answered on 08/17/05:

Will Rogers is credited with saying: "The best judges of people are children and dogs."

I've found that to be so true. My nephew, as a young child, could spot a phony the moment one appeared at the door. One of my dogs would growl viciously at people we thought were so great -- only to find out that the dog discerned more than we.

Be blessed,
bobbye

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paraclete asked on 08/14/05 - confusion regarding When was Jesus born

I have just read two different sources which give a vastly different timeline for Jesus life. one sourse newadvent suggests the Church began on the day of pentacost 29AD

the other a time line suggests that date would be 36 AD, so experts was Jesus born in 4BC or 3AD and what is the evidence for each view?

Bobbye answered on 08/16/05:

6 B.C., as Jesus was approximately 2 years of age when the Magi arrived; therefore, He was approximately two years of age when Herod (upon hearing of Jesus' birth from the Magi) sought to destroy Jesus and all babies two years of age and under. HEROD DIED IN 4 B.C.

Jesus, therefore, died in 28 A.D. (5 plus 28 = 33 years of age): 6 B.C., 5 B.C., 4 B.C., 3 B.C., 2 B.C., and 1 became A.D. Thus 28 years into A.D. plus 5 in B.C. equal 28 A.D.

THE CHURCH BEGAN IN 28 A.D. -- soon after The Crucifixion and Resurrection -- when the disciples and others (120 plus) gathered in the Upper Room, where they were endued with Power from on High for the task that lay ahead -- "the promulgating of the Gospel of Christ who had just been crucified." Please read the Book of Acts (chapters 1-2) for this account. THIS WAS THE BIRTH OF THE CHURCH -- ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST!

If you will research history re Herod's death (4 B.C.), you will be able to confirm what I have posted above re the birth of Jesus (6 B.C.); death of Herod (4 B.C.), and the death of Jesus (28 A.D.).

Be blessed,
bobbye

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excon asked on 08/16/05 - Israel


Hello Christians:

Is it true that you only support Israel because the bible says that Jesus will only return to Israel? And, once he does, you'll no longer have any use for the Jews? After all, you need 'em to provide a place for your savior to return to, but they still won't be allowed into heaven.

What kind of hypocrisy is that?

excon

Bobbye answered on 08/16/05:

Excon, "Christians" have NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO